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TSP Ep 118 P2: Oscars Talk or The Shiny Golden Man
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In this second half, Tom and Steve continue their discussion of Tom's short, a lot more, but they also talk about the budget, and then the battle off in another horror movie trivia game!
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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Podcast Resumption and Dark Humor
00:00:00
Speaker
Now that we've, uh, all right, Twitch shadow podcast, we're back. Uh, with that depressing thing that we're done talking about dead babies. So Selma Hayek versus Kate Upton, huh, buddy? Mommy feed me. Hey, that could be the title of your story. Jesus Christ. But mommy wasn't there. It was just dad. And he's dead.
00:00:27
Speaker
God damn, yeah. All right.
Filmmaking Techniques and Realism Challenges
00:00:30
Speaker
You just, you just take it like, I think he would, uh, take, um, I know how I figure out, I think I figured out how you do it. You gotta just shoot it like Ozu, like in, um, um, Tokyo story. I think you just point the camera and see what happens. Just leave it there. Oh, with a real baby. Yeah.
00:00:55
Speaker
And then your feet are in the corner, one foot, stick it up. Well, cause I was thinking about it and it's like, it's almost kind of like unfilmable to some degree without being like almost like dramatic, like without being, because if you want to be like real true to the story. Well, then do you see the dad at all?
00:01:15
Speaker
Yeah. What do you see? I think you just put the corpse there and see what, you know. Like how much of the corpse? You can't have like a full corpse. Or do you think you go with the full corpse? I think you just do it. And then you always just shoot, like I said, you shoot from the ground looking up, like almost like from like the child's perspective, but you do it in like wides. And, uh, and you just like let the baby come over and like poke the, the dad, like daddy, daddy.
00:01:44
Speaker
Right. And then, you know, nothing. And then. But that has to be at the start, right? So the audience doesn't really catch on. Yeah. And then just, you know, then probably, but it wouldn't really work. No, that's not a bad idea. Like you could have the foot, like he's sitting down on the couch or something in the foreground. So you have just one foot there. The baby tugs on it. No response. And then you cut to another angle where he's not in it. Yeah.
00:02:14
Speaker
of the wide low to the ground. And then you just see the baby kind of going about its day. That'd be really interesting to like just have a little baby wander around. Yeah. But it'd be hard, it'd be so hard to shoot. Like I don't, I don't even think I'd want to do it just for the difficulty of cause it kid. That's the whole point. It has to be difficult. But no, I don't mean like emotionally. No, no, no. I mean for you, like, yeah, it's, it shouldn't be easy as a filmmaker. I just, cause like they would just keep running behind the camera, right?
00:02:45
Speaker
Then let it, I mean, you just have them go back in the shot, like there's editing, like they can dip out a frame. And then you can cut to another shot or just cut, or even when the- No kids, no dogs. Yeah, exactly. But you could have like the kid like run out of frame, like let's say it's coming towards the camera, runs out of frame.
00:03:03
Speaker
And then you could be like, hey, get back out there. And then have it, have it run back out there like a cut. And then now it has like shit coming down its leg. And it's like, whoa, what the fuck? Ew, weirdo. And then, you know, and then that way it shows like a passage of time too.
Emotional Impact and Authenticity in Film
00:03:23
Speaker
And then it crawls in the couch and just. Yeah. Like you don't, you don't really have to show like, oh, let's fade. And then like, okay, that's the path. Like you could just show the kid.
00:03:33
Speaker
Greasy hair now. It'd be like Skinema Rink. You just wanted to. Hey, look how big Skinema Rink was though, right? When it came out. Except yours would be. Dead baby. Real and heartfelt. Dead baby, the movie though. I don't know.
00:03:51
Speaker
No, man, you know, I was thinking too, and I was going pee. I was having a deep thought. But really, I think if it moves you as a filmmaker, your film, and it brings you to tears, and that's like the film you got to go with. Because it's not coming from a place of money. No. To just make content. It's like, no, honestly, I probably didn't want to make this. Like, literally, it took something out of me to make this. So here you guys go.
00:04:18
Speaker
Oh, it absolutely would. You know, like I am giving a piece of my soul. Well, you don't like souls. I'm giving a piece of my, uh, my self to this. I just feel like on a technical level, working with a toddler would be so fucking hard. No, I think, I think you had a brilliant idea. Let the toddler just do its thing. Yeah.
00:04:44
Speaker
runs out of film. Even if, I mean, you got to make it not acknowledge the camera. So you probably can't be behind the camera. You just got to set it up. Like a bunch of like a security cams essentially just set up throughout the room with nice framing and everything. Nice lighting. Yeah. Um, so maybe just one camera at a time, but still letting the kid just do its thing and
00:05:09
Speaker
Cause then that's real too. Yeah. Yeah. It would be tough. It'd be really fucking hard to shoot. And then even the kid on the phone, like tapping into YouTube and playing kid videos instead of dialing 911. Just sitting next to the corpse watching YouTube. But instead of dialing 911, right? It's like,
00:05:33
Speaker
Like the innocence of the child doesn't even know to, he needs help. Yeah, yeah. But see, you're already figuring it out, man. I honestly think that that should be your film. Cause then that film.
00:05:47
Speaker
Dickhead ain't getting into Sundance, okay? You know, I have a lot of faith in it. I have a lot of belief. I wanted to get into Sundance. We gotta make the attempt. It ain't getting it, okay? Let's be real, it ain't getting it. Regardless, but that film? If it's done right. If it's done right, man. Yeah, that's- We're going to the Oscars, don't we? Honestly, maybe you could get like best short film. That's an Oscar. Yeah, it is.
00:06:16
Speaker
Like seriously, maybe you could. And the author goes to dead babies. By the time it has a little baby, it's not dead. I'd like to think my baby that didn't die. God damn dude. I don't know. That's so fucking tough. Yeah. Well, I hope you, I hope you, I hope you, uh, develop it. Maybe we could, I could do a screen test and see how Emma reacts.
00:06:43
Speaker
Well, yeah. Or maybe just get her used to a camera on sticks, you know, not even recording anything. Cause I would really want to do it like the camera just sitting on the floor. Yeah. That's easy to set up, man. We just got to get good lighting. I want to do in black and white as well. Yeah. That's why I'm saying good, like a nice contrast going through a single source light coming through a window like sunlight, but it would be how you might not even need light to just use actual sunlight. Yeah.
00:07:11
Speaker
and then just play with real lighting. And then if you do, like you said, like have them on the couch or in the chair and like a chair.
00:07:20
Speaker
Yeah, so you see it's there, but you don't get it. Yeah, it could just be someone napping and then the realization dawns and then the real realization dawns. And yeah, like him just sitting in a rocking chair. And all you just see is like maybe like an arm, like hanging down the side. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's already dead, right? Yeah. It's in a rocking chair.
00:07:44
Speaker
the baby crawls into his arms. That's the end shot. But then, because of the movement, it rocks the chair. And that's how she goes to sleep. And it never wakes back up. Right, just because, you know, rocking chairs rock real easy, so that's what's- Not a dry eye in the house. Anyone that has ever had a kid would just start fucking crying immediately. Well, yeah, when you told me that, I was like, okay, just take a minute.
00:08:14
Speaker
Iron Claw, Iron Claw motherfucker, Iron Claw, you put it down deep. Don't show emotion. There's like a thing in that movie where it's like men don't cry. Exactly. You just bury that shit, you fucking pussy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's like the whole movie, right? You bury that shit, you pussy. That's Iron Claw. That's why I didn't get any nominations. It is. And the acting, all of the performances are super good. Damn.
00:08:41
Speaker
You know, I really wasn't expecting this podcast to be so fucking depressing.
Screenplay Criticism and Artistic Integrity
00:08:47
Speaker
Well, every podcast we do is depressing these days. Yeah, that's true, that's true. Well, yeah, man, that, wow. Damn. But that's a story, man. And then you change up the angle finally for that final shot.
00:09:03
Speaker
That's the one shot that's not on the floor. It could even be, like, bird's eye view. That's how I see it. Because, you know, I like my bird's eye view. You hate them. No, I don't hate bird's eye view. It doesn't have to be that. I just picture, like, a baby curling up because you can really see the figure from a bird's eye view. I don't hate bird's eye view. I just hate when it's too far up.
00:09:22
Speaker
Well, yeah, this wouldn't be that far up. But that's kind of how I see it, personally. When you are looking down from too far up, to me, it's kind of ugly. That's why I don't like those drone shots. Yeah.
00:09:39
Speaker
because you're just too far away and there's no real sense of, unless you have a really good wide location that you're trying to show, it's like you're trapped in the woods or something and you just zoom up and then you just get locked. Nothing but woods. Yeah, that works. But when it's just like, oh, there are tiny people running around like ants.
00:10:06
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, yeah. I mean, maybe that could work, but no. I just am not a fan of that. No, let me be the DP. Okay, I can put a camera on the floor. Yeah. And then we'll get the audio strictly from the perspective of the camera. So it'll essentially be scratched so that things can fade out. So it just feels more natural. Yeah, exactly. TVs running, whatever.
00:10:35
Speaker
Yeah. The TV would be on. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. And then like, then like, I do think it could be interesting that like, that like the kids trying to like get the iPad working or the. No, don't just let the baby do what it's going to do. No. Yeah. That's what, oh, that's what the baby is going to do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe like, I mean, so it would be modern times. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, maybe the script evolves around the baby. Yeah. We do the first day of filming.
00:11:07
Speaker
If we'd have to do it like in a week like just a week stall it and then just that's all we're doing like cuz then maybe like the baby went for the iPad I'm like, okay, that's what we're gonna cut yeah, and then we cut to another low shot behind the baby and then it's on but The TV is going and there's YouTube stuff going on like whatever the baby's deciding to do and then we kind of follow its journey and Then I mean it's a little bit of setup, but it's also very natural
00:11:35
Speaker
I just think I don't want to like because I was thinking would probably and if it's natural lighting, it's just like It's fucking oh the baby's having a tantrum perfect Yeah, we just hide we would have to hide yeah, so we'd have to set up like security camp So you make sure your baby's not like turning on the stove and shit for real But we're gone Yeah, yeah, because it would probably try to interact with us too much. Yeah, Emma would try to like yeah like
00:12:06
Speaker
I don't know, it'd be interesting. Don't tell Katie cause she'll get like child abuse. Yeah, I was gonna say that's, that's a something too. Hey, you said come and see.
00:12:15
Speaker
I was saying, it's probably a fine line there. You're walking in between like that. Well, that's why we had the security cameras. We're like, yeah, we know it was real. But when the baby was crying, you know, they came off screen and we changed. It was an actual shit running down the lake. It was just peanut butter that we mixed in the water. Yeah. I mean, that's the perfect shot. Like the runny diaper. Yeah. Just so subtle. So subtle. Yeah. And if you're a parent,
00:12:44
Speaker
You know, instantly, you'd know what that means. Yeah. And if you're not a parent, you're gonna be like, what the fuck? But then at the end, you're going to know what that means. Yeah.
00:12:56
Speaker
Shit, we're giving away too many... Dude, someone's gonna beat us. Look how long it takes us to finish anything. I don't think anyone would beat us. I don't think anyone's jumping to do this movie. Dead baby, yes. Dude, it's Hollywood. Come on, look at Weinstein and shit. We were talking about that earlier. Yeah. Like I said, I don't think I'm ever worried about like... Also... Well, I mean, we don't have anyone who listens to this. But also, there's... If it's like a complete ripoff, we literally have...
00:13:23
Speaker
We got proof. Our podcast is time stamped. Yeah, right. That's why I'm like, I'm not really worried about it. Yeah, can you afford a lawyer? I don't even need to afford a lawyer. I have proof, your honor. It was recorded on this day. Yeah, but how do you know they listened to it? I got lawyer friends. Well, you could just, you know.
00:13:45
Speaker
Yeah, but your lawyer friends are all gonna do fentanyl. Okay. That's like a turn. Everyone's doing crack. Everyone's dying. Well, speaking of crack, let's get into the main discussion now that we're two hours in, which is mostly what we've already kind of been talking about, to be honest. But I do have a quote.
00:14:08
Speaker
which I think is a very apt quote from Paul Schrader, who's kind of a controversial figure. I don't know, after you talked about him lately, I think I'm loving him more and more.
00:14:22
Speaker
It's true, I mean, well, I don't know, he's... He's like a modern Hemiway, right? He looks like he'd fuck you up, right? You wanna fight in the back, Ellie? He's like a Bukowski, right? He's got a trunk and we're gonna fight. He is like a Bukowski, yes. And he also is not afraid to just throw shade. I know. So this is his quote. I could be just a writer very easily. I am not a writer. I am a screenwriter, which is half a filmmaker.
00:14:50
Speaker
but it is not an art form because screenplays are not works of art. They are invitations to others to collaborate on a work of art. Paul Schrader. Perfect. Yeah. Cause I think this is something that I wanted to talk about. Honestly, that describes so much of what we talk about in the podcast about filmmaking being collaborations. Yeah.
00:15:12
Speaker
That's every single aspect. You're not the artist. You're just a part of the art of the ultimate piece. Yeah. And one of the things too is also, um, we like, I think there's almost like a mystification or a mystification.
00:15:32
Speaker
maybe or like there's like a mythical aspect to like the screenplay where there's like all these rules and and there's this and that but it's really you just need to be able to communicate your story. Communicate the ideas clearly. Right so like it's like you could write like some very beautiful prose describing your character but like
00:15:56
Speaker
end of the day, it's what the actor portrayed on screen that is going to come through in the film. And then what is edited on screen of that performance. And then on top of that, what we ran into, what the actor can say believably. Yes. Yeah. Because this was something I was thinking about because, you know,
00:16:19
Speaker
You had talked about using Dominic and like checking out like his thing. And I think there's a very, and it's like in the notes, but I think there's a very real aspect of people that are trying to write as screenplay. Yeah. Like it's their bread and butter. This is how they're making.
00:16:38
Speaker
versus what you're writing as like a film that you're going to make. Yeah, I mean, there's a clear separation between people who are screenplay writers for a living versus someone like Tarantino who's, yeah, I'm writing this screenplay and guess what? That's what my next film is. Like there's a clear separation from that. A distinct separation. And because we had talked, like Stephen had brought it up earlier, but we had,
00:17:07
Speaker
He had sent me a link for the Austin Film Festival. They have a submission for feature-length screenplays, and I think there's even a TV show category. There's even a podcast one. There is a serialized, or not serialized, is it serialized or a fictionalized podcast series? Really? Yeah, that's what I think the category is. I did post a link in there so we could maybe add it to the show. I'll have to look at that, because there's someone who wanted to do a fictionalized podcast. I'll have to shoot it to them.
00:17:35
Speaker
Yeah, and essentially like right. But like my thing is I was thinking about this and it's like I don't know if I even I don't I don't really like the idea of like screenplay competitions because it's like it's like what do you any our competition is stupid? Well, even but screenplays even doubly so, I think, because it's like a blueprint competition. Yeah, it's like the building isn't built yet. We're just like judging the blueprint.
00:18:04
Speaker
Right. And it's like, you have like, this is not anywhere near what then what wins out the concept or the grammar, like the screenplay grammar or the screenplay construction. Yeah. Are just the concept. Yeah, because it's like, well, you use because, you know, they're always like, oh, try to keep your action lines down to one line. And it's like,
00:18:26
Speaker
and try to use different words. So it's interesting to read and it's like, yeah, that's true. If you're gonna sell it like to a studio, but if you're writing it yourself, you don't really have to. I mean, if you're directing it yourself, you don't have to worry about that. But not even if you're directing it yourself, but also it's just like, you know, if you use like a word, it's like, oh, like he, you know, if you use a word,
00:18:51
Speaker
that almost is like, oh, this is like a nice big fancy word like magnanimous or something like that.
00:19:02
Speaker
you're almost like maybe over conveying the acting action to the actor where I've seen that a lot. And also it's like, then there's like, you can get really vague and stuff with your, your descriptions. Um, because like, like that's something like when I think in consideration when I'm writing a screenplay is like, I'll write like, this is like an SUV. Like I'm not going to write, it's a Dodge Durango 1994. Cause I might not be able to find that. You know, that's interesting. You say that cause uh,
00:19:30
Speaker
I can't remember his name, but I read I got it a long long time ago as a book on screenplay writing someone by Sid Yeah, I think his name is Sid. I forgot the last name It's famous for like anyone who wants to write screenplays It's like one of the go-to books because he talks about Chinatown and all that. It's great book and and
00:19:54
Speaker
in the book, because it's all just strictly about screenplay writing, right? And he's like, you don't go that specific. You don't use words that are telling the actors how to act or the directors how to direct. Maybe once in a blue moon, if it's absolutely necessary, but you never do that. You don't want to use a word that's going to be like, okay, this is me telling the actor how to act. You can do that if you want to be a bit malicious
00:20:24
Speaker
and like really get your point across, but you never do that for a professional screenplay. You never wanna convey how to interpret it is how he said, like you said, like magnanimous. I've only heard of that word in Shawshank Redemption. I've looked it up a couple of times. I forget every time. Let's look at the proper definition. Let's see.
00:20:55
Speaker
Mag Amen it is so It's an adjective of course Generous or forgiving especially towards a rival or less powerful person So there you go. So I mean that already if you look up that word, it's like, okay. I know my position or their position Yeah, it's a clear direction. Yeah, but you're not the director and that's what he said. He's like you're not the director You don't get to decide that
00:21:20
Speaker
And then like you said, SUV versus Dodge Durango, whatever. I don't even know if that's a car. Well, Durango's a car, but I don't know if that's the SUV or not. But like, yeah, you don't want to convey that because that's not your job. You're just there to the blueprint.
00:21:37
Speaker
See buddy, damn dude, next level, huh? But like, if you're going to write the, if you're going for the competition, like maybe you should try to make it as like nicely prozed as possible so that. But then you got to be careful of those kinds of words. But see, that's why I'm saying like our competitions are so shit because I've entered a few of photography competitions in my time. And what I learned, I've never won anything.
00:22:04
Speaker
But what I learned is that if you're gonna enter our competition, you gotta look at who the judges are and you gotta research them and you gotta see what they like.
00:22:15
Speaker
And then once you figure out what they like, then you're going to pick the, in my case, photos that correlates with what their preference is because a judge is going to pick what they are biased to. And that's how you have to do it. That's why our competitions are stupid because
00:22:35
Speaker
You're, I mean, they're not stupid. I mean, they're fun, whatever. Let it be because that gives someone an opportunity. Right. But you have to understand that our competitions are based on bias and it's going to be the bias of the judges because no one's impartial. Yeah, that's why I'm always very wary of evaluations. Because yours are always like mediocre. Well, never. I have I did one once I did. I actually had someone read my novel.
00:23:03
Speaker
You know what my evaluations are though? Until you get into yours, because yours is gonna be like, I had to write my own evaluation. And I put fair. My boss, my dean was like, yeah, that's a little too good. I'm gonna mark you down on some. I don't know where, but it's like.
00:23:23
Speaker
You're not a five-star kind of worker, Steve, let's be real. You're probably three and a half at best. All right. I will say, and I kind of had this in the notes, but we're kind of just going on this whole conversation. So the notes aren't really that, there weren't really any questions in the notes anyway, so it's all good.
00:23:40
Speaker
But speaking of evaluations, I remember when I had first finished the novel, I had paid another novelist to read the book. I thought that was an edit, right? Wasn't it? No, it was just like, hey, this is like...
00:23:58
Speaker
Like they should like that. They were just reading the story. It wasn't like to like, so like those, what do they call those readers that go over your story? They're like beta readers, beta readers. So it was like a beta reader. Yeah. Except it was like this person like actually had a published novel work. I won't mention her name here because I, but essentially someone who knew writing and yeah. And I remember she was saying like, your characters get naked too often as one of her notes.
00:24:26
Speaker
Okay. And I was like, okay. And she was like, that's, you know, she's like, it really took me out of it when like you described that character being naked. And I was like,
00:24:37
Speaker
but their power ripped their clothes off. Titillation wasn't a thing for her, huh? Yeah, and I was like, that's the only thing I care about. But it's like, you know, like, but what I want to convey is like, you know, everyone has like their own preferences. Yeah, exactly, their own bias. Yeah. Bias. And especially when there's someone like us, I think, and it's like, we have some pretty strong,
00:25:01
Speaker
situations that I think would be very off-putting for some people. That's why no one listens to us. Not even liquid IV. And a big thing that I worry with is you just always deal with the fact that you never really feel like you're good enough in a sense. So you kind of want to see if you put yourself up there to see if you are where you are. Well, you run into this crossroads where
00:25:32
Speaker
you don't have any understanding of where you are. So you need to go to an outside source. But the outside source has a ton of bias and the outside source might not agree with what you are. So you really shouldn't go to an outside source and just trust in what you're doing. And so there's this conflict because outside sources will obviously make you better because if there's holes in what you're doing, they're gonna point it out.
00:26:01
Speaker
but they're also gonna have their bias where it's like, well, you don't really fucking know what you're talking about. You watch Marvel, I'm trying to make Godzilla minus one, motherfucker. It's supposed to be powerful. And there's that contention there, that conflict.
00:26:19
Speaker
But ultimately, you do have to go out of public because it's because if not, then it's like you're an audience of one.
Artistic Doubts and Budget Constraints
00:26:26
Speaker
And then that's fine, too, because, you know, you can write stories. Hey, man, you got a reader here. I'll read it. Your kids will read it. Yeah. Cardinal will read it.
00:26:37
Speaker
we'll like it, even if we don't like it, we'll tell you we like it. I guess that's, well, but then I, you know, I've always told myself, it's like, it doesn't matter if you're good enough, as long as like you are doing what you can, and also if you're enjoying it. But also think about this, like, we will tell you we like it even if we don't, but we will still have dedicated hours of our life to you and your story. So then that's already,
00:27:08
Speaker
And, you know, you might be like, eh, well, Steven liked it. So like, fuck yeah. Like, yeah, okay. But he's my friend. He's like, no, motherfucker, I still got a life. I'm still a human being. Like, I contributed a lot of shit to that. Like, give me some value, you know? No, yeah. It's not where, it's just more of a, probably just like some deep seated childhood trauma, I'm sure. No, I don't think so. I think it's just the aspect of every artist that they run into where
00:27:36
Speaker
You look for a lot of validation in people you don't know because people you do know, maybe they're just being nice. And then that's where like some deep-seated issues are because you don't trust the word of someone you do know because they're just being nice to you and they're lying to you. They're deceiving you. But I see we're not even out of...
00:27:59
Speaker
maliciousness, right? It's just like almost like maybe they might be trying to protect you in a sense. And sometimes they are. And sometimes they are. Yeah. Cause that cause can cause almost as much harm because then you become arrogant, almost you become arrogant to that because everyone says, you know, my mom says I'm the best screenwriter ever. But, but also as a good, as a good, good critiquer, you know, you want to,
00:28:27
Speaker
you wanna push the person to do better, but you don't wanna push them so hard where it's like, yeah, dude, what you did, it's fucking garbage. You need to go back and rewrite it. Cause then you can destroy their confidence completely. And they're just like, okay, yeah, no, actually, yeah, this isn't for me.
00:28:46
Speaker
As much as I love it, I suck at it. I'm Ed Wood. Let me not make any movies ever again. And then you don't get any of Ed Wood's films, for better or worse. Yeah, exactly. It's a hard problem because I think for me, what I struggle with, especially when I'm writing or doing stories, is like, am I even on the right path? That's what I think, even though it's like,
00:29:16
Speaker
Well, that's where the faith in yourself has to come. Yeah, right. It's like, am I on the right path? Am I even doing or the arrogance? Because I see, I watch, this is why I always go back to watching old movies. I really try to watch like those like zero budget, no budget movies. And I'm like, Oh yeah. Where did, like, what did they not see? Like, where is the disconnect here from like, it's like, did you realize how like,
00:29:46
Speaker
Bad, for lack of a better term, I could definitely probably break it down further, but it's like, your editing is completely garbage. Why are you cutting every five seconds into horrible angles? Why do you have five close-ups in a scene where they're just not even barely... There's no emotion here, but we're staring at a person's face 55 feet in the air. Why?
00:30:11
Speaker
What are you doing? There's no purpose in your cutting. Why are we cutting to an insert of just to pad the runtime? I'm thinking about things like this. But see, I think, because I think you're in the same boat as me where that feels a bit unfair in the sense that I think you and I see ourselves as no-budget filmmakers. We are. But we're not.
00:30:37
Speaker
because at the end of the day, so far, when we finished principal photography, Dickhead was a $50,000 film. Yeah, but that's like no budget though, compared to- That's no-
00:30:52
Speaker
No, there's literally no budget films. True, true. And that's who we're comparing ourselves, and that's who we identify with. Yeah. But our film was 50,000, because I did my taxes, I know. Ours was about a $50,000 film, principle photography wise.
00:31:13
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Who knows after that, all those years we were talking about where we were getting editors and spending money on like, um, uh, software, uh, uh, computer hardware, hard drive space, and then look at where we're at now where. Yeah, it's 50,000 from there. And then I'm expecting this to be about a $75,000 film. Like I'm expecting about a 25,000 to be to post.
00:31:40
Speaker
That's not no budget. That's a huge budget for people who have no money. For us? For poor people. For poor people, that's an enormous fucking budget, man. I mean, I'm still paying off the debt. It's like almost 10 years later. I'm still paying that off.
00:31:58
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So we're not no budget. We had a budget. We had an enormous budget. So I think it's a bit disingenuous on us because yes, we are poor and it's like, how do we come up with this money? Well, credit cards exist, that's how we came up with it. So it's a bit disingenuous on our part to say we're no budget because we actually had a budget.
00:32:23
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and like to compare ourselves to films where you can tell like, yeah, yeah, you guys really had no budget, huh? Like we're not that, we are not that. We're in this weird middle ground of no budget and then someone who had an actual budget, we're in just this weird middle ground. So I'll say, I think that's where we are. But it's also hard for us to,
00:32:50
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to know where we are, to figure out our parameters. You know, cause it's like, well, we don't have money, which is true. But we also had money and we made this thing, which is true. And we're just in this weird gray zone of, I don't know, I don't know where we are, both.
00:33:10
Speaker
Well, I mean, because there's technical definitions, right? Yeah, technically we're a shoestring. Yeah, shoestring. Because we're under 100,000. Yeah, we're technically like a shoestring, but we're technically, I don't think no budget, because I think technically no budget is... I think no budget is less than 10,000. There we go, and we're not that. Tangerine, I think, was no budget. No. No? No. Tangerine was $100,000.
00:33:41
Speaker
I thought that motherfucker shot that on iPhones. Post-production? He shot it, yeah, but he also paid people. Oh, that's where he fucked up. You don't pay those homes.
00:33:52
Speaker
Well, I don't know if the hoes got paid, but people- Did they better have gotten paid? People got paid, but also they bought like lens attachments to the cameras and things like that. For a cell phone, that's like what, a hundred bucks? No. It must've been all in- Thousands of dollars. For a phone? Yeah. No shit. Yes. That's how like sophisticated it is. Let's see a tangerine budget.
00:34:17
Speaker
I got $100,000 Tangerine budget. Wow. I would have imagined that was all. I've never seen Tangerine. Yeah. But I figured I would have imagined that was all. Yeah. I remember. I remember reading that. That was the budget. Oh, fuck him. I thought it was like he just got his Apple iPhone and. No. Fucking hack. No wonder Florida project kind of suck. Cause Florida project was 2 million. Yeah.
00:34:44
Speaker
He sucked. No, that movie's good. It's all right. But that's what I'm saying is like... Red Rockets sucked. But also we bought like the camera and the lens and stuff. No, but that's my point. Yeah. Like, right? Like that didn't go into... Like when we watch Who Done Done It, right? We mentioned Thomas Tulek. We spent a lot more money on our film than he did. Just hands down. And it's unfair of us to compare the two.
00:35:14
Speaker
You know, and he has a film out and we don't. Yeah. But I think more of our middle ground is the dark and terrible day. What is that? The terrible day of the Lord? Yeah. No, but isn't there something else? The dark and terrible day of the Lord or something? Jesus, why can't I think of it now? Well, we'll guess. Anyways, Jared and Clark's film. Yeah. That's probably more
00:35:43
Speaker
Well, they had like an estimated $500,000 budget. Well, our estimated budget would be a million. Do you think so? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Because we're just that good. That's what they were saying is like if they had paid, that was their estimation if they had like paid everybody union rates. I think ours would be around a million. But how much, do you know how much they actually spent on their phone?
00:36:10
Speaker
I don't know exactly, but I want to say it was probably like $20,000. Oh, fuck. Because their film looks good. I mean, for $20,000. Well, they didn't buy the camera. I know. Their DP came with it. Yeah, I know. We didn't know that could fucking happen. Yeah. Their film looks pretty fucking good for $20,000. Wow. Okay. Well, okay. They got one on us. All right. Journey and Clark in the lead in round three. But yeah, that's right.
00:36:39
Speaker
Cause I mean, it's the great and terrible day of the great and terrible day of the dark and the wicked, which no, that was that budget. That was probably, that's a million. Those are millions for time out. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:59
Speaker
Because when I say no budget, what I mean is we didn't buy a set. We didn't pay people. We didn't pay anyone. All of our budget went into the making of props, food, equipment. It pretty much just went into food. No one got paid. Yeah.
00:37:18
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Yeah, I mean, so that's what I'm saying. Like we, I do think we misidentify ourselves a little bit. Cause we're not exactly no budget. I mean, trust me, we ain't no budget, man. I'm playing that shit off now. Shoe string is probably more accurate. Yeah. Well, it's accurate. We're even in that middle ground of shoe string and no budget. Yeah. Cause it's like 10,000 and the shoe string is like quite a bit of money. Shoe string, I think goes up to 250. Yeah. Yeah. We have that nowhere near.
00:37:49
Speaker
Micro budget, maybe is what you could call us. A micro budget film. We're the Kevin Smith film. We're the Kevin Smith level of that, right? We're like the clerk's level because it was 40,000 in the nineties, which is probably like a hundred and something thousand nowadays. Yeah. So we're like the Kevin Smith area of the filmmaking there. Budget. Where is it? There's got to be.
00:38:20
Speaker
Well, I don't even think we qualify as low budget, right? Like we're not indie, we're not independent. No, low budget's a million dollars. Yeah, we're not low budget. We are literally a shoestring budget film and then I think it's in a gray area because I think we barely meet shoestring. Yeah. If I remember back when I looked it up. I think we might be a micro budget.
00:38:51
Speaker
Let's see. Dude, there's so many of these. I know, it gets way more complicated. I thought it was just all low budget. Yeah, cause I mean, well, it doesn't really matter, right? Like we spend very little for what we, for our film. Cause it really is like in the grand scheme of filmmaking. Let's put it this way.
00:39:15
Speaker
We spent money, but we identify with no budget. So that says something. I say we identify with no budget because no one got paid. Exactly. So we're identifying with this category, even if we don't technically qualify in that category, but we identify with it. So that says something like this film. It's about as cheap as it can get to make something.
00:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, because it's like when you really think about it, it's like.
00:39:51
Speaker
I mean, like we didn't pay for any locations. We didn't pay anyone. Yeah, we didn't pay any, like when we did technically, we paid a few people things. We paid gas, gas and food, but only a few times. We didn't pay a majority of the people any gas. Yeah, that's true. We didn't pay any gas. We didn't pay anything. The only thing we paid for for them was food.
00:40:18
Speaker
and then gas a couple times when we had to go out of state. And then it really was literally just the gas money. It wasn't even like, hey, here's $200 if you have a couple extra good on you. It was like,
00:40:33
Speaker
No, we kind of calculated it. We've been up to Vegas a few times. Yeah. It's like 60, $80. And then they were carpooling too. Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I mean, the thing too is it's coming out of our pockets, right? So it's like, I think a lot of filmmakers, that's like the big hesitation is like, they don't want to spend their own money. Yeah. Or they don't want to take that leap into the debt. Well, of course. I mean, I don't blame them. I'm like,
00:41:02
Speaker
You know, I mean, I mean, it's been eight years and, uh, I'm still paying off the debt now. Granted that debt has accumulated and, you know, it just kind of snowball effects itself, like a jogging nights in there, definitely. And just living. Yeah. But that's how debt works. You know, you're, you're paying off debt and then you're trying to like get food, but you can't afford it. So you put it more on debt and yeah.
00:41:29
Speaker
But you know, I mean, you got to, right? You gotta like sacrifice, you gotta make that sacrifice. Well, the thing is, is you can't wait around for someone to like give you permission. The angel investor. Yeah, that doesn't like, that doesn't exist for 99% of us would be my guess. Because the second you are waiting around for that, you're just waiting forever. Yeah. And if you aren't careful,
00:41:57
Speaker
You just fall into like this thing where, and then you almost feel like you, you like victimize yourself in a sense where you're like, well, no one giving me money to make my movie. And it's like, no one fucking cares. No one cares.
00:42:11
Speaker
about your movie more than you do. So if you're not willing to give it all, that's the thing. But the thing is, more often than not, you're gonna fail when you do that. And when you do, you're just saddled with this crushing debt and your dream being crushed. Stephen just walked out to the bathroom or...
00:42:34
Speaker
I don't know if he's getting more ice or something, but I'll save this little comment from when he gets back regarding James Rolfe in Cinemassacre. But there's this fear that no matter how hard you work, no matter how much money you sink into your project,
00:43:03
Speaker
no matter what you do, you're still a failure and you just don't have what it takes in a sense. Or your project doesn't have what it takes. It's hard to quantify because it's like, how do you really quantify? Well, if I had X, Y, or Z, things would be,
00:43:32
Speaker
so much better, but you don't have, you'd never had X, Y, or Z. And, uh, yeah, I'll do one more since I'm going to try to isolate it to get home. It's like almost two in the morning. Oh, it's past two in the morning. I just keep going.
00:43:52
Speaker
So, buddy, that's something I want to talk about while I was waiting here. So, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but James Rolf at Cinemassacre, angry video game nerd, he made that movie. Oh, no. You've seen it? Yeah, I've seen it, yes. What? No invite? This was, I saw it when it came out. When did it come out? Like, in like 2015. And no invite?
00:44:18
Speaker
You know, I didn't think you even watched it back then. Let me see. Yeah, I didn't know who that was back then. We made dickhead in 2016, right? Or was that a jogging act? It was in 2014. When did we make dickhead? 2016. Yeah, so I didn't watch any of that shit until after. Yeah, so, well, when they... Wait, was it good?
00:44:39
Speaker
Hold on, let me, let me talk about it. Cause you know, I tried to get him on the podcast. Yeah, I've tried to get him on the show too. And guess what? He said he didn't even respond. But you actually knew him before. Well, I've had correspondence with, with him like, cause went back when he had, I've been watching since like, not the very, very beginning, but pretty close to the beginning, not to be like a hipster about James Roll for whatever. No, he's great, dude. I love that show.
00:45:06
Speaker
I remember people were talking about the movie because he got like $2 million, I think, from fans to make the movie.
Film Success and Vulnerability
00:45:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:22
Speaker
I remember there's a comment that I recently read that really like kind of resonated with me and kind of like made me really fearful when they were like, when I watched the movie, I watched someone that worked so hard for a dream that completely failed. And it's like, wow. And I remember thinking, oh yeah, cause I watched the movie and it's like, and it's just like, yeah, he just, I don't know what it was. It's just like he, the movie just, like it doesn't work on any aspect really.
00:45:54
Speaker
but you can feel he put himself into it. You need to send that to me because that might make me quit. His movie? Yeah. It's almost like a space cop type of thing. Have you ever seen space cop? Of course I have, but the thing with Red Alert Media is they're trying to be like, we know what we're doing. But still, that's them trying their best.
00:46:16
Speaker
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's like, we know what you're doing, but we're trying our best, but the jokes on you, but we're trying our best. Fuck off. Right. But it's like, exactly. They're cynical versus sincere. And it's like, you watch someone try their absolute best, but even though they put everything into it, they still completely failed. And that's like a terrifying thing to me. Well, is it? Because look at Nolan.
00:46:41
Speaker
But the, well, no one, well, no one's, I think it is a different case to a degree because have you, but you know what I mean, right? Have you ever seen following his first movie? I saw Memento.
00:46:54
Speaker
Yeah, but if you watch the following, you'll watch it and you'll be like, okay, this guy, well like Insomnia even, like his like kind of like first big movie where- I've seen it twice, it's pretty good. Yeah, and it's like, you know, it's not- But you got Al Pacino and Robin Williams, and then the original Scarsgard, so. Yeah.
00:47:16
Speaker
But I mean, that doesn't necessarily what, right? It's like, he's still got that- And momentum, you have Guy Pearce. Yeah, but he's still got all that together to make that, like, right? He still was able to work his way into making that happen. No, I really appreciate it, Nolan. I shit on him a lot, but I really appreciate it. Yeah, but like, you know, like, he's a guy that like- Wow, I need to watch that James Rolfe film.
00:47:42
Speaker
That would be the most devastating comment I could ever see. Something that's truthful and hurtful. Yeah. Because, you know... Damn, what was it? What was it? Oh, it's like watching someone try so hard to make their dreams happen but fail.
00:48:02
Speaker
Because it's like- Like, fuck you, dude. Keep that to yourself. Yeah, it's true. But it's also like, that was like his big swing, right? Cause like, this was supposed to be like what opened the doors to Hollywood for him. Cause that's what's his dream, right? It's just to make movies. What a thing to say to someone. Fuck off, man. That's... Fuck. Fuck the public.
00:48:23
Speaker
I agree, but at the same time, it's like, I mean, there's truth in it. That's the scary thing. But that's what's so hurtful. That is what's so hurtful is because it is a failure, right? He just went back to making AVGN because that's what was successful. His dream was to make feature films and he doesn't do that. And that's not what he's ever going to do because... You gotta send that to me. Please do, please, please.
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, I'll get that. And I just remember, I just remember reading that and it was like kind of like this sobering thing where I was like, cause I see it. I've seen that so many times.
00:48:58
Speaker
I don't want to bring up names, but there are people that we know that like, well, I don't really, I don't know them personally, but like, there are people that like, in our sphere of filmmakers that we know, it's just like, it doesn't seem like it matters how hard they try. They'll never really, just like something doesn't click or
00:49:18
Speaker
It's like their grasp or their effort. I don't know what it is. Like, I don't know what there's like, that's one of the biggest fears, man. And it's like you, it's like, it's, like I said, it's hard to quantify. How do you know? How do you know? You don't know. I mean, I don't think that's us. I hope it's not us, but I don't, but you don't, I mean, we're literally making a film called Dickhead, but I don't think that's an issue. I don't think it's, no, what I'm saying is like,
00:49:46
Speaker
That's only the progenitor of what the film is. And it's scary because you don't know. Because as an artist, you're gonna give it. That's why, you know, people get pissed off when they hear actors say like, oh, you're so brave. But it's true. You are brave because you're making yourself completely vulnerable up to any ridicule. And if you're a motherfucker on the street,
00:50:16
Speaker
You're not fucking vulnerable. You got those walls so high up. You're the toughest motherfucker. Ain't nothing going to hurt you. But when you're doing your artwork, yeah, you got to lower those, those walls and just be open to the attack. And if someone says the right words that hit the right Mark, I fucking end you. Yeah. But.
00:50:46
Speaker
I just, the thing is too is like, especially with, with filmmaking, there is, there's so many levels. Of course. Cause we can appreciate it. Yeah. Like if, if I watch his film and I'll be like, yeah, I get what they're saying, but I also understand what you went through.
00:51:04
Speaker
So there's an appreciation, there's a sympathy there, but at the end of the day, it's all about execution. And if you ain't got it, you ain't got it. But even though it's like, but even if you don't have it, there's still some people that make their way. And this is someone that- Well, yeah, look at Marvel. This is someone that, there's someone,
00:51:29
Speaker
Like I'm thinking of like a Cargill in a sense where it's like, you know, he was like- Didn't he go to Europe to make a film with Emma Stone? Yeah, but no, with Anna Taylor Joy. But what I'm thinking- What film is that? It still hasn't been released yet. It hasn't been released yet. But what I mean is like, you know, he came from,
00:51:54
Speaker
Like a guy that was just like a movie critic living in Texas, barely making it by.
00:52:00
Speaker
to, you know, like, he's making a movie. What in the hottest motherfuckers there is. He's making a movie with Anna Taylor Joy, right? Like he's, or he's producing it. And I'm just, and I just think like, you know, he didn't just jump there. No. Right? Like they made a, you know, he wrote a bunch and like he worked his ass off. There was a struggle here. And, you know, and there's like Lucky McKee, who, like Lucky's not, he's not a millionaire. Oh, well, I don't think.
00:52:28
Speaker
No, I didn't come across that. But it's enough to support him and his family. And when I talk to him, he's making a modest living as a filmmaker, but he's not gonna make Citizen Kane. And I don't think he necessarily wants to make Citizen Kane. What was his last movie? It was with that one guy from Avatar. Old Man. And it's like, dude, you got to work with that dude?
00:52:57
Speaker
You know, it's like, shit, man, like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah. Like, you're getting to make these movies that are like... Yeah, with Stephen Lang. Stephen Lang, yeah. You're getting to make these movies that are seen, like, that's a dream. You don't got to make millions, just fucking make them.
00:53:17
Speaker
Yeah, they're not waking up at 4.30 to drive into the office and do a job that they're doing just to support the family. Just to keep the family fed. They're living their passion that does keep the family fed, like, God, man. And that's like, to me, that's just mad respect. That's where I wanna figure out how to be. Well, you know how you get there, dead babies. Dead babies. I'm serious, Tom, man. I'm serious, man. If you figure out how to do that, right?
00:53:47
Speaker
It's all about execution. You have a great concept, but still it's all about execution. There's so many great cons. I mean, look at cat people. Stupidest concept ever, but look at the execution, right? If you can figure out the execution, man. Oh, dude. You got something buddy. I mean, I'm seriously telling you, man. I think you got something there. It's just, man. I mean, I feel,
00:54:16
Speaker
You got to figure out that execution. You got to make it work because you're, it's such a difficult thing, but like come and see. It's fucking Nazis. Honestly, I think it's easier to make come and see than dead baby. But come and see had dead babies. So like, it's like, yeah, but if you can, if you figure that formula out, if you figure out that angle, oh man, I, I re I think.
00:54:45
Speaker
Dude, that's something special, man. For you, I think that's something special for you. You gotta fucking work on that shit. Like even that $5,000 script competent, fuck that, dude. That short film. Yeah.
00:55:00
Speaker
I mean, if you win that $5,000 script competition, which is possible, you know, if we work on it, okay, you're a screenplay writer. That's not who you are. Yeah, exactly. You're a filmmaker. That's where I assume the notes too, where it's like, I don't want to be, I don't want to- You don't want to write scripts. Like you have scripts, you have stories to tell. Yes, I get that. Yeah. That's not who you, you are a filmmaker. You, if that,
00:55:28
Speaker
If that is your goal, it's not an if, that is your goal. And that short film, if you execute it right, man, you did it, man. Like seriously, like who cares the reception? Like who cares the competition? It's not, that's not art.
Art Beyond Competition and Moral Complexity
00:55:51
Speaker
Art's not a competition. No, definitely. If you succeed on that shit, oh man, you fucking did it.
00:55:59
Speaker
we'll have fucking did it. That's where you got it. I mean, I know I'm drunk and shit, but yeah, man. Without a doubt, I've never felt more positive about someone going in a direction than that. I mean, don't let me tell you what to do, but- No, no, I've been thinking about it. Cause I was like, Dan, do I even bring this up? Cause I was like- Yes, absolutely. No, you don't bring it up on the podcast. We probably talk about it too much cause there's going to be hack frauds who copy you. No, no, no, no, no. I don't, I'm not worried. Like I said, I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried cause
00:56:29
Speaker
Like you said, the difference is gonna have to be, it's like anyone can take that story, right? That story is not, it's a real life thing that happened. Everyone, like a lot of people probably saw that. Babies get eaten. You just watch National Geographic. You watch, you see it all the time. This shit happened in fucking Disneyland, right? Crocodile ate a fucking baby in Disneyland. Komodo Dragon, just go to the Komodo Dragon pen.
00:56:52
Speaker
Yeah. Don't watch when Bambi shows up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Bambi gets ripped out of its mommy's womb. Like, don't watch that movie. But like, if you... But the thing is, like, people aren't gonna... It's like, what's gonna distinguish us with... Yeah, but we kind of gave the secret sauce away. Like, just put the camera on the floor. Nah, I bet, man. Like, I fucking believe in that.
00:57:17
Speaker
I haven't believed in a lot of projects in a long time like that, honestly. No, I've been really like, it's been something that's been stuck in my head like, and I'm like, how the fuck? And I just kept thinking, how do I do this? And I was like, no, that's like a project in my head, like for my own personal projects. Like it's like, no, dude.
00:57:35
Speaker
I just kept thinking go back to like- You got to fucking do it. I was like, just go back to the classics. Like what? Oh yeah. Like what is it about like Ozu like as a filmmaker that makes Tokyo Story work so well? And I always thought I just kept thinking about it. Cause for some reason I'm like, there's no dead babies in Tokyo Story. Oh shit, you're gonna fucking go with Tokyo Story perspective. Oh my God, you're just gonna make me kill myself for that fucking film.
00:58:03
Speaker
Because I'm just thinking like, you know how he's always shooting down and up? Well, but that captures like the perfect Japanese architecture. Yeah. And I'm just... But you're going to capture the perfect baby perspective.
00:58:20
Speaker
Tom, you please, man. I've never asked you to do anything. No, I'm gonna try, man. I'm gonna try. But it has to be something you do alone. This has to be something you figure it out. I will help you out as much as I can. Technically, I'll do DP. I'll help you with audio. We'll figure that shit out. But this has to be something you figure out on your own artistically. And I know you're not religious, but man, I fucking pray you do, man.
00:58:52
Speaker
If you, if you figure out how to execute that properly, like fuck a claim or anything, like I will know for me personally, I will know I, I was a part of something special, like powerful. I hope you, I hope you, damn dude, I hope. All right, coming this summer, dead baby.
00:59:18
Speaker
Cause it's like, yeah, dude, like I feel like I almost have to like dark and cynical about it because like, of course that's why we are the way we are. That's why we joke about shit that's depressing because it's, it's fucking depressing, man. It's fucking, there's so much fucking depressing shit out there. And the only way to process all of it, if you pay attention is just to fucking joke about it. Cause you have to have gallows humor, like fucking,
00:59:50
Speaker
Israel got one of the biggest attacks ever by Palestine. They're 9-11 and then they're fucking eradicating all the Palestinians as a result. And you've seen that as an excuse to just conquer Gaza.
01:00:06
Speaker
You know, you see all this shit and then if you question it, you're just a fucking anti-Semite, just like in 9-11 when you fucking question what's going to fucking Iraq and all that shit. Oh, are you with the terrorists? Yeah, you hate America? What's wrong with you? You hate America, you know, it's just that fucking same shit again. And it's just brutality. A million dead in like a year.
01:00:29
Speaker
Why are we talking about that? You brought it up. Yeah, I brought it up. But, you know, dead babies, man. That's your story because you're also a father of two. You know? Like, it has to come from a parent. I think what, but why it stuck with me is like, as soon as I read that article about that story is I already saw the film in my head.
01:00:55
Speaker
I already immediately saw it. And maybe that's a little gross, which in due respect, perhaps that is, but that's why you have to execute it properly so that you can give voice to this thing, to existence that is just so indifferent.
01:01:18
Speaker
You know, nature doesn't care about the bone in the monkey's hand or the nuke in space. It doesn't care about the dinosaurs getting wiped out. It doesn't care about dead babies.
01:01:32
Speaker
Yeah, like you said, we anthropomorphize, right? Mother nature. There is no mother nature. I mean, it's nice to believe in God because God has a purpose, but it's hard to believe and it is what it is. But there's also goodness in believing that because...
01:01:52
Speaker
you know, why be mad? Like why hate? Why point that anger anywhere? Cause there's nowhere to point it. So you got to let it go. So there's a, there's a positive spin on that. And I think that's a good message because, you know, I believe, but if you don't believe, well, shit, how are you getting through the day? You know, cause, cause then you're just believing like, oh, nothing is,
01:02:24
Speaker
Uh, there, I don't know who said this, but someone said one of the worst things you can do to someone is being different. Yeah, absolutely. And, and that is one of the worst things. Like if they're happy and if you don't care, if they're suffering the worst thing ever, you don't care. That is the worst thing. And, and maybe that is existence. And there's a good argument that that is existence. There's a perfectly good argument that that is, uh,
01:02:54
Speaker
but that argument doesn't exist in art. So much of art is like Catholic based, Abrahamic religions. There's always that purpose that we like to believe in, but maybe that's not the case. But there's also something so powerful about,
01:03:14
Speaker
capturing the nature of reality. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like reality is reality. You can't like, yes, I'm upset with Gaza and Israel, but I don't know enough about that. All I know is that that's happening.
01:03:32
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And, and I want to rage, but who do I rage against? There's so many sides who have good examples, even Ukraine and Russia, right? Like, yeah, Ukraine wants their sovereignty, but Russia wants their protection from NATO. And I don't know who to fucking say who's the bad one and the good one. All I know is that that shit's happening away from me. So I feel safe.
01:03:57
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But, but there's real people dying. But you make a good point where it's also like, it's good to be, it's good to struggle with the conflict of it. Because if you fall too easily on one side, you're blinding yourself to every aspect. It's like when people overly over generalize. Yeah. Where it's like, you know, um, you know, all men like blue.
01:04:21
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or like, you know, women are pink and men are blue. And it's like, you're like, you're painting with such a broad- I got it, my skin looks good on pink. You're painting with such a broad brush that like, there's, you're just missing- There's no room for nuance. Exactly. And that's just not the nature of reality. Like there is very few black and white. All I'll say is- We live in gray, everything is gray.
01:04:50
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Yeah, that's the nihilism of it. It's all fucking gray. Yeah, and that is very nihilistic because it means that- Even the white's gray, even the black is gray.
01:05:03
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That means that even the surest morality you can have can be twisted in a sense because it's just a matter of your perspective to some degree. We can be as certain as we can that female genital mutilation is bad.
01:05:25
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But that could be, that is not our, but someone could believe that, you know, a whole culture of people can believe that's okay. Which they do. Even with Mel, General Medilation. You know what, and I'll admit, my shit's trimmed and I like it. I don't want to look like an elephant truck. You know, I would say is one thing. Well, for me, like the reason why I didn't get Luke circumcised is because I felt like
01:05:51
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It's something that you could, it's something you can do later in life. And it's something I feel like you can give them the choice. Let's be real. You can't do it later in life. Cause when you realize what's going on down there and what they're going to do to it, you ain't getting anything near that. I would have liked to have the choice. Not me. If I had the choice, I'd be like, no, don't touch it.
01:06:19
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But having it touched is like, it's a lot prettier. It is prettier. Anyways, that's, that's a separate subject. I hope Sophia never hears this, but, um,
01:06:33
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Luckily, you didn't have to worry about the circumcision question, because for me, it was something I really struggled with. Well, there's female circumcision. Yeah, where you can... Yeah, no. You know, and that's a real thing, because we just lose some skin. They lose like... Sensation. Sensation and shit. But with your project, man, if you can execute that, man, I... Fuck, I'll fund it. Well, that's the best part of it. But you got to come up with a good script, because I ain't even fucking... Well, it would be completely free.
01:07:04
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No, no, no, but I'm saying like, dude, I will fucking be your shield, man. Cause that's something to put yourself into.
01:07:20
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if you're gonna be a part of it, that's something. But you gotta do it in the right way. And that execution that has to be. Yeah, yeah, that's so hard. I don't know. I don't know. It's not my story. It's your story. I never came up with it. So I don't know. I didn't come up with it either. That's the thing. No, you did. You read it and you developed the story. So it's your story. Like, I don't...
01:07:50
Speaker
It's not in me and I'm not gonna go there. It's your story to tell. And if you figure out how to do it, man, I... Well, even if you don't know how to do it, I'll still back you. But if you really figure it out, like, oh man, I will fucking die on that sword for you, man. Because my thinking is the script would be no dialogue.
01:08:16
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And if there is dialogue, it would be coincidental. No, you have to have a clear vision of that. Yeah. And that's on you. And that's how I would write it. I'm not even going to speculate. I already have it in my head. It's already there. Like I said, the hardest thing is actually revolves around the performance of a two year old.
01:08:46
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Yeah, and that's not hard to do. It is, I think it is. No, it's not because a two-year-old doesn't know how to do anything but be themselves. That is accurate, but also you have to figure out a way to at least nudge them in a direction. No, listen, we're gonna leave her locked up. That ain't gonna happen. That ain't gonna happen. I'm gonna drug her up and then we're gonna put security cameras so the kid's safe.
01:09:16
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And we're going to place that camera. No, but I mean, if you figure that out, if you figure out that angle, like how to approach it, how to orchestrate it, the logistics, like, you got it, man. Like beyond Dickhead. I think that's, that's a better project beyond Dickhead.
01:09:39
Speaker
Like seriously, like that, like Dickhead's a freshman, like you're that little angsty teenager, like, look at what I did, I drew boobs. Yeah. But then that one's going to be your sophomore project to be like, yeah, I'm actually an adult. And then after that, you're going to set that bar super high up and then, you know, figure out what you're going to do from there. But. I mean, it's pretty hard to top dead babies.
01:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, it will be, but you know, I'll let you cross that barrier. Oh, thanks buddy. Well, yeah, man. I mean, you're going to fucking set that bar that high, like good on you, good on you. Like how many few people get to set the bar for themselves to cross of their own selves? You know, most filmmakers never get a bar to set.
01:10:33
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They're just trying to cross over others like JJ Abrams. He's trying to cross that Spielberg bar. Yeah. You know, uh, bullet train. He's trying to cross that Tarantino bar. But anyways, uh, what were you talking about? Like, let's get away from that baby. Cause we keep going back to it. It's, it's just like, damn dude. Like,
01:10:56
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I mean, it's just like, damn. That's where it's at. That's where it's at. That's where it's at for you, especially for you because you're a dad, especially for you. You can't have anyone who doesn't have a kid tell that story. It's like, fuck off. You don't have a kid. You don't know what you're fucking.
01:11:14
Speaker
Because my thing is going through. It's like it's discrimination, man. You don't have a kid. You don't tell the story. You're not white. You don't tell the black story. Fuck you. You know, you can't. I'm just saying if we're going to if we're going to be racist and prejudiced, because that's where Hollywood is now. Right. You can't have a movie with white people anymore. Only white people, only white people like white men in a boat. You can't have white man can't jump no more.
01:11:44
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So it's like, yeah, it has to come from your perspective. And that's all I'll say on that. It has to come from you 100%. You know what the angle is? It's...
01:12:03
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The story is based in the nihilistic aspect of nature and reality, but it's told from a position of complete empathy.
01:12:17
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Like I said, if it just gets the few things I have in my head, I will fund it, man. I'll get another credit card and then you'll see me vanish into Mexico. You'll see me disappear. Like I said, it's free. It would not cost a single dino shoot this movie.
01:12:34
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Well, dude, I fucking we have everything already. I'll just say I haven't felt like I haven't believed in a project this strong outside of myself, of course, because, you know, you want to believe yourself. You got good stuff, but. I haven't believed in a project this strong ever, so. You know, if that's what you want to pursue, I 100 percent support it. If you won't let it die.
01:13:08
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And it's just all talk, like don't mention it again. No, dude. You got something special, man. I mean, you got something special, man. But you also got to pay tribute to what happened. Yeah. You know? And that's why I think you keep it as close to the story as possible. You don't, you don't, you can't profit off of it. So you got to figure out a way to not
01:13:34
Speaker
make that the thing. It can't be a profit. Even though you can't make it like, Oh, this is my chance to get noticed. Like, no, no, no, no. Like, sure. You can get profit. You can profit off of it. Like secondhand, cause someone made it. You're the one who made it. Like I get it, but it can't be a, it's if you do it for a cash grab, like, fuck you, man. There's no cash grab here. No, but you know what I'm saying? Like, like if that's the end goal, like if it's,
01:14:03
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Yeah. Like, oh, this will elevate me. I was like a deep director. Like, oh, fuck off, man. You disgusting piece of shit. No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't, you can't make it. It wouldn't, you wouldn't build it. It would just. Well, yeah. That's why I make a podcast with you. Cause I know you're not that person, but I'm just saying like, well, you're a dad. That's why I'm saying you're, you're a dad. That's why you're the perfect person. Cause you know, like that's,
01:14:31
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You don't you don't fuck around with that shit. No. That's why you have to approach it. So delicately.
01:14:42
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because- And accurately. Because the whole point is, and that's like the hard, the scary thing. You gotta hit the bullseye, man. The hard thing is, and like I said, and this is what I'm always gonna go back to, if ever we shoot this, it's like, you have to put a two year old, a child in this position. And you have to capture that. And the thing is, it's like, the fucked up thing is,
01:15:10
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I don't think you're going to get like a performance of despair because I don't think that's what happened. It's just confusion. As a parent, I know that's what's not happened. It wasn't the kid like, my dad's dead. Yeah. That was not. They had no, they had no grasp of what had happened, right? There's just no understanding. Like. Ugh.
01:15:38
Speaker
Can we talk about something else? Jesus Christ, you know what you need to do. You know what I ask of you for that. Yes. There will be a script very soon. But, uh, because I don't see, I, I would want, the child, like 10 minutes. They don't think it'd be more than 10 minutes. You know the perfect length, man. All I gotta know, all I gotta say is I support you. 100,000%.
01:16:07
Speaker
You don't play. There's no music. Honestly, there's no music. I got a big project coming up. If your project coincided and connected with that, I would choose your project. Well, the way I'm seeing it now is it would be done in a weekend. It's a heart rancher. That's all it is. But honestly, it also comes from.
01:16:28
Speaker
a place of like the deepest fear. Exactly. Exactly. That's why I'm saying you, you can't dick around on that. Cause yeah, it's really, it happens. It's happened. Yeah. There, there can't be a joke in there, right? It's not dickhead. There's no, there's no levity. There's no levity. It's just like, and that's why there, and that's why there can't be music.
01:16:56
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Perfect. Because you can't direct. You know, I'll say I didn't picture music. I pictured just a screen, hearing the audio from the screen and the video they're watching and that's it. Yeah. Maybe hear a clock if you want, like some sort of noise, but not even that. There's nothing. Yeah.
01:17:16
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There's nothing. There's no ambience of the, there's no crickets outside. There's no sprinklers going off. There's no cars roaring by. There's no honking. There's no police sirens or helicopters. That's why I liked what you said about just maybe just even getting like just a little mic, just capturing what the most- It's literally the scratch audio. Yeah, it is the scratch audio. And then maybe you amplify it just for convenience sake, but-
01:17:47
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It is the most flat shit. It is flat. It's flat. It plays monotone. High contrast, black and white. Just this monotone thing, because monotone's indifferent. You don't put the end on the screen. You don't do that. You just fade the black.
01:18:20
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Yep.
Scriptwriting and Feedback Processes
01:18:21
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All right, let's do some horror trivia. What was the main topic about? We did it. What was it about? The competition, screenplay writing versus filmmaking. Okay, well, we didn't get into the screenplay writing, so let me just ask you. So we want to do a, well, I told you to do the $5,000 screenplay writing for your script, which is? We are no one. And he wrote it. What do you mean, like when? Yeah. The first draft was written in 2020.
01:18:52
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Really? Yeah. It's only four years old? Mm-hmm. Well, shit. What helped you edit it? And it's a solid script, and the AI told you it was really good. Yes, there was a free trial of this AI that has just been trained to evaluate scripts, and it was like, hey, you did, this is, it does, and the thing was that the feedback was exactly what I wanted to hear, which was very validating in a sense, because I was like,
01:19:22
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I don't know, like maybe it's like, it just told me like, oh, I am like, I just needed something. You're on the right track. Right track. Yeah. Because I, because I'm doing like essentially a page one rewrite right now. Yeah. Where I'm just rewriting it and just like, just like just tightening it up, making it
01:19:39
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like just that much better like also just correcting because I did a lot of micro dosing. Did you ever get the notes I sent for the edit? I don't think so. Are you fucking serious dude? Yeah I read that whole script and I edited it. Did you because I know I printed it for you. Yeah I know and I edited it. I don't think you ever gave it to me.
01:20:02
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Are you sure? A hundred percent. I would remember. Yeah, that's probably right. No, I edited the doc, Raimi, the chicks that got naked.
01:20:15
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Your novel. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are their names, Doc Ramey or something like that? Alex. Yeah, what is she, like the people? Oh, the Duke, she's a perk, just the Terrence. No, you were gonna say the Duke. The Ducare, that's the bad guy. Ducare, there you go. The Ducare, the bad guys. That one I edited. Yes. No, no one, I didn't edit it. No, I don't think I edited it. No. I just read it. I just read it?
01:20:42
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That's the one with... Did I ever edit it? No. Well, I'm not saying I gave it to you. No, I think I just read it. Yeah, I just read it. Yeah. Because I read like the intro to where the accident happens. And then I stopped and then I eventually just read it all from there because, you know, you can read a script in a day. Yeah. What is the name of the title? We are no one. We are no one.
01:21:13
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Okay, but the AI told you how much for the negative? Oh, it's like $75. $75 for the negative. Yeah, you don't got to pay them quite yet. Yeah, I'll tell you the negative. Yeah. Yeah. Again, you know, your nihilism shit depressing. But you know, we are no and I think that I don't know.
01:21:43
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It just, it's depressing, which isn't fun. You end on a downer, which isn't fun. But there's also an upside at the end, too. Hold on. You end on a downer, it's a bit depressing. You know, it's the nihilism of like Cthulhu, like all that bullshit, like, this impossible force that there's really no winning, you're just subject to it, which I hate. It's kind of silly, in my opinion. But you believe in God.
01:22:11
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Yeah. And guess what? Satan exists. So there you go. But it was still really fun and enjoyable. That intro is really strong. It had a lot of good elements. Characters could have been expanded upon because there's like that chick that gets her brain right away, the old chick.
01:22:35
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Yes. That's fine, but like expand them more, give them more room to grow, you know, cause they, they were fun characters. I guess one of the major criticisms with your story is like, just give me more character because you wrote fun characters. So I just want to play with them more, you know, I want to, I want to spend more time with them. So give me more time, please. Yeah. And then destroy me.
01:23:03
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Cause that's what you do with your story. You destroy the audience. I will say, but well, one thing I will say is depending on your perspective. Well, depending on your perspective, but it's still like a negative. Oh, it's very fucked up. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, like, give me more of that. Like.
01:23:22
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haven, that safe haven, like in Resident Evil, when you go to the typewriter, and you're saving the game, and it's like, okay, I'm just gonna hang out in here. I got my chest, I got like my herbs and my grenades. Well, I think what I need to do is- I think I'm safe. Give me that safe space a little longer. I need to add like another night of them at
01:23:46
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as a support group. Yeah. And there needs to be like a night of levity with them. A night of levity with them and then make them. Before. Also make them a little bit more important. And so, cause they kind of came off of as fodder. And I think they kind of came off that way to kind of shock the audience with like, oh no, this person, oh no, that person is like, oh no, who's safe? And that works, but just,
01:24:16
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just with films and the way they're going, well, maybe with TV and the way they're going, it's like, oh, that, that doesn't feel like so shocking. So just give me more time with them and let me hurt. Yeah. You know, like, let me get some final fantasy seven there. You know what I'm saying? Like, let me just hurt. Yeah. Just hurt me. Cause I, my thing is I want to
01:24:39
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It's a horror. Absolutely. It's that is it's bread and butter is it is cosmic horror film. Yeah. Um, on every level it is a cosmic horror where it's like, you know, we'll just lack the understanding to be able to comprehend. But it's, it's so desolate and so just dark and negative. Yeah. It is that at its core. It is. So give me,
01:25:09
Speaker
the haven and then destroy that. But just give me that a little longer and then destroy it. And it's like, yeah, I like the beats from there. You know what I'm saying? That would be my major criticism. And that's a compliment. Like, let me just spend more time with your characters.
01:25:35
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The funny thing is I don't remember any of them. That's like the worst part about my writing is I feel like once I'm done. Well, the one who stayed with me a lot was the old lady and I think she had a kid. Yes. And then she just gets taken over right away and she stayed with me. Yes. A lot, like her a lot. If I remember correctly,
01:26:00
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And she knew what they were doing. She kind of like accepts it. She, well, there's someone, if I remember right, there's one that gets just like killed. Yeah, there's someone that volunteers. That's the old lady. Yeah, she volunteers to like,
01:26:18
Speaker
Oh, I don't know if it's spoilers. No, don't spoil it. But she volunteers to do something bad that like allows them to find the cult. Yeah. So basically it's about a couple who goes out and they're just driving through the desert. They get attacked by a wild cult. And then the husband protagonist is trying to then investigate, investigate, find his partner. It's his twin brother.
01:26:47
Speaker
His twin brother? Yes. No, wasn't he with his wife? His twin brother? No, his wife stays with him. Yes. She sees the twin brother? He's- Get your fucking twins out. I know you're a twin. Get the fuck out of here. There ain't no twin brother, okay? They take the wife. No, it's the twin brother. Well, he's- There ain't no twin brother. You want them to take- But then that ruins the end.
01:27:12
Speaker
There ain't no twin brother, okay? She saves the baby. She saves the child at the end. Get this fucking Silent Hill shit out of here, okay? There ain't no twin brother, all right? Maybe there's a baby, I'll give you the baby, but no twin brother. No? Twin brothers don't work in fiction. They work in real life, because they happen, but in fiction, they don't work. I thought I was poetic. Oh, I know.
01:27:42
Speaker
Well, it's because it's always like, you know, can't you sense what's happening to your twin? Though I did rewrite a lot of that, actually. Okay, then, are you going to get Danny DeVito and Arnold to reprise the roles? Yes. I'm sold. And Lance Hendrick is the old man. He really is old. Did you see him? I saw him in a post. Yes, with the Terminator post. Yes. And I was like, oh, God, Lance is going to die this year. Yeah. I mean, he looks like... I was like, he's knocking on heaven's door. It's like that old person is...
01:28:13
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shit's coming soon. Yeah. And I was just like, I did not want to see that pictures.
01:28:18
Speaker
Cause I was like, the shitty thing was, it was Edward Furlong looked pretty healthy. Yes, it was all the Terminator people. I was like, wait. It was Edward Furlong and shit. It was Edward Furlong, Michael Bean, Lance Hendrickson, and was it Terminator 2? Yeah, T1000. Patrick, Michael Patrick or Patrick Wilson? No. What's his name? Patrick. What's his name, Patrick? Robert Patrick. Okay.
01:28:48
Speaker
Yeah, and they're like at a convention or something. And I was like, well, cause Lancer Henriksen isn't in movies anymore. And then to see him like that, I was like. Well, he looked like he might have cancer or something. Well, no, he just looked like, what's going on? Just smile. Terminator, I was a Terminator.
01:29:12
Speaker
Yeah, that that was he's like the egot of of sci-fi films cuz he's been killed by everyone Yeah, he dies. He's died to a predator. He's died too. No, it's bill packs. I'll build everyone. Yeah, but he's dead. Yeah, but that's Hendrickson. I mean he got I Mean he's died to he's at least died to a terminator and Alien and an alien Mm-hmm
01:29:42
Speaker
what else pumpkin head pumpkin head i mean he's been everything he died to no uh predator i'm trying to think now uh that's he's only died to pumpkin head
01:29:57
Speaker
That's right. John Claude Van Damme has killed him. Well, who hasn't John Claude Van Damme killed? God damn, dude. He's been in everything. All right. Let's not be so vague because I feel like we're maybe a little too vague here with everything. So you have your film. Yes.
01:30:18
Speaker
It's a psychological horror film, Cthulhu-based, or just the inevitable-based... I say cosmic horror. Cosmic horror, that's what they... Well, inevitable, like there's... Yeah, you want like the slug line or like the... What's the slug line? Or like the... Not the slug line. Well, what is the slug line though? I'm seriously asking.
01:30:43
Speaker
I think it's like thinking newspapers. Isn't it like the line that's under the article? Well, with our stickers, we have a drink, drink, drugs, talk film. Yeah. What is that, a tagline? That's what I was calling it. Yeah, tagline. Is that a tagline? Yeah. So a slug line is a headline? The slug line is like the line under the headline, I believe. Well, what's the fucking headline under a headline? A slug line. Wait, let me look. Let me just Google. Can you give me an example of a slug line?
01:31:12
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What is the slug? Trump dead. January 6th. A slug line is an uppercase line of text with a blank line above it and below it.
01:31:23
Speaker
An example is like interior, like the location. Like when you say like where they are, that's the slug line. So interior desert is the slug line. Yeah. So that's not a slug line what you're talking about. No, I was trying to think of there's something else. What's a tagline? What's the definition for a tagline? It would be like in space, no one can hear you scream. That's the tagline. Okay. So drink, drugs, talk film is our tagline. Yeah.
01:31:52
Speaker
That's not official? No, it's not official, but it's a working official. It's not the synopsis, but it's like... Whatever, but it's about... You gotta learn this shit. Well, I mean, I guess, well, if you're vetoing the twin brother aspect, you have to completely rewrite what I rewrote. Well, it's essentially... God, what
01:32:21
Speaker
I can't think anymore, man. Yeah, me neither. Cause Dominic mentioned that, like you gotta have that sentence or two sentences. Yes, I know exactly what we're talking about. And then you have the synopsis. To be fair, I've almost been up for a whole day and I'm pretty, I'm getting there. Okay, well, yeah, that's fair. What is, am I, and I'll do fairness for me, I'm autistic. Script and a short sentence.
01:32:53
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It's not a synopsis. It's not synopsis. I know there are people that are listening are just like, Jesus, they're so dumb. Why did we listen to this shit? Oh my God, what the fuck is it? Cause that's, is that where you're like, it's psycho meets Jaws with that? No. Kind of. Yeah. It's like, but it's kind of like that, right? Yeah. It's like the short one sentence or one or two sentence version. Oh my God. It's not.
01:33:21
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My brain is drawing a complete blank. Kind of like in space no one can hear you scream. No, that's the tagline.
01:33:28
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It'd be like, you know, a crew of the spaceship Nostromo skits an emergency call that lends them to an alien planet where they discover a ship. What the fuck is that? That's script like 101 pitching. Don't worry about things. We can edit. I'm gonna go pee. Okay, I'm gonna look at a perfect time. I'm gonna look up what it's called.
01:33:56
Speaker
I'm having a hard time. We need your script, fella. Oh, my God. Why can't I think? Log line. A log line. I didn't even find it. It just popped in my head. Yes, the log line after his brother goes missing. A man after his brother goes missing.
01:34:19
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the man investigates the disappearance and runs into a support group of others who have had family members who have gone missing and through this. That's a long line. A mysterious. That's the longest long line I've ever heard in my life. I'm not doing a very good job, but essentially, right, it's like he runs into like a support group of people that have also gone missing. Who have had the same mysterious circumstances happen to them. Yes.
01:34:47
Speaker
and things start to unravel as they are drawn in to understanding the mysterious world. I'm 100% down to help with that. Obviously, you know where my heart is with your next project. Yeah. It's with Daddy Daycare. Daddy Daycare.
01:35:15
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But yeah, so, so, okay. You have this script, this full feature. Yes. Now the, what is it? The Austin Film Festival? Yes. They have this competition. It's very badly done UI for the websites. It is awful, yes. So it kind of scares you like, well, what am I getting myself into? This feels sketchy. Yeah. But it features the guy from ET
01:35:47
Speaker
who did that movie, that indie movie, and he became big. He's on the cover. Edward Burns or something like that? Ed Burns might be his name. Cause I think it might be his film festival. Sidewalks of New York. Fuck if I know. Is he a good looking white guy? It looks like it.
01:36:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's him. Uh, let's see. Yeah. Edward Burns. Yeah. Yeah. He used to be a ET correspondent and then he did like a indie movie and he just became big off of it. Oh, he's from same private Ryan. Yeah. He was in it for a little bit, but his big breakthrough was before that. So I think this is him as film festival. I think cause he's, uh,
01:36:44
Speaker
he's on the cover of it. And so they have this competition where you can submit all sorts of different things. And in our instance, we're looking to do the script submission. And I've been telling Tom since he has, we are no one to just correct the grammar, just brush up the script, fine tune things, maybe cut things out.
01:37:13
Speaker
But I think, especially with that opening, you got a fucking strong hook with that opening. Yeah. So I think- I rewrote it. Okay, well, hey man. It's way better. So I think that, well, honestly, I think it's slogged a little bit in the, let's divide it up into fifths in the fourth part. It kind of slogged.
01:37:39
Speaker
Like right before they get to the cave where they're all at or whatever, the tunnel. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little, it's a little sloggy before that. Well, I think- But that's where you need the characters. I think you just need to flesh out the other victims. And I think you sell it. Well, my intention- Flesh them out. My intention there is it's like before the big raid. Yeah, flesh them out two thirds. And then once you get to the quarter, then all shit breaks loose.
01:38:11
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Cause it does. Yeah, it literally does. Um, so, so we're looking to do that competition. I'm telling Tom to try for it because he just has so many ideas. So what can it hurt? And, uh, see what happens, man. I'm working on it, buddy. But also I think even if it doesn't succeed at the film fest, I think it would just be a good script to just put out there and see if someone wants to buy it, you know?
01:38:41
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And I think someone would literally buy it. I do. Yeah. I think, well, my hesitation there is it's like one that I really like. No, do the dead baby. Fuck this one. This one's the money for the dead baby. The dead baby's free. I keep telling you, it's not going to cost us any money to make that movie, to make that short. It's going to cost us a lot of marketing to get people to see something. Dead baby, come watch.
01:39:10
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That's it for the programmer, not me. The programmer at the film festival is going to premiere at Sundance. And we're just going to end the Q&A. They're going to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm a dad. Oh, my God. And it's like based on a true story. Yeah, literally, right? So, yeah, man, I think that'd be cool for you to try.
01:39:38
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I mean, you've got a gift, man. Just fucking pursue it, you know? Like, maybe you gotta sell your soul a little bit to like, Midnight in Paris, right? Cause Owen Wilson was just a script writer. He's like, oh yeah, I wrote that film. It's such garbage, but he's just writing scripts just to make money. Yeah. You could do that. I probably could, but God damn, that's- Soul sucking.
Horror Movie Trivia Challenge
01:40:03
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Well, I'd rather, to be honest, I'd rather have my- But at least you're close to the filmmaking process and then you're making enough money to where you can be like, okay, Steven, let's make the dead baby movie. It's no budget. This one, yeah, this one is literally no budget. All right, buddy.
01:40:24
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But I, yes, I mean, to be fair, I can probably do both because the submission, the early bird submission, which is, if I didn't hit the early bird, I probably wouldn't do it. Cause I don't want to pay like, I think a hundred dollars if you don't hit early bird. Are you serious? That's how much it is. If you don't hit it. Yeah. The early bird, the early bird, I think it's $60. No wonder they gave you 5,000. That's just giving everyone, everyone else's money. They're still making a ton of profit. And then they probably get all rights to your film.
01:40:51
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All right, well, everybody, that was the main discussion of Twin Shadows podcast.
01:40:58
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Which was, what was our main discussion? About screenplay writing and competition thing. Wow, we didn't talk anything about that. We did a little bit, a little bit. We went all over. We were all over today. But, you know, drink, drugs, talk, film. That's what you signed on for. Yes, and then we're gonna- That's what we deliver.
01:41:21
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Now we're going to do a rematch of the horror trivia since Steven won. I won? You won last time, yeah. No, you won last time. You won. You won one. And I think it was the last one. I thought you won.
01:41:38
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I'm pretty sure you won, but I'll let you decide as the person who came up with the best script, dead babies. I don't know what were the rules again. Do you remember? Don't you have the box? I know we have to collect the weapons.
01:42:01
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I don't remember. Oh, we just did the first to 10. Yeah. And then there was like separate questions we asked. Yeah. Because some of them are very easy and then some of them are really hard. We always start with the second question. And if you don't get the second one, you ask the first question and then you're if you get it wrong, you're just out. Yeah. And then how many weapons do we have to collect? We're just first to 10 cards. Oh, so weapons don't even matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. OK.
01:42:30
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So should I ask you the first question? I'll go first. Oh, okay. Cause you're the winner. In the movie, predator, what substance conceals the character? All right. Tom got one. Okay. His name is Dutch. Dutch. Yeah. A thick fog rolls in after a powerful. Okay. Steven got one.
01:42:59
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The 1985 horror comedy about Vibe Tires was Jim Carrey's first starring role. Once bitten. I've got that one. See, that's why it's like, I don't know which one's the harder one. I think we should read them and choose the hardest. Okay. Like you pick out which one you think's the hardest. The one that best dumped me.
01:43:23
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Well, that's an interesting place. You'll never get this one. So here you go. What was the profession of the main heroine in the 1981 werewolf film, The Howling? Nurse. No. Huh? What was it? You're thinking of American werewolf. Yeah. It's TV news reporter. Wow. So the second question, are you ready? Because there's two questions. So you get a chance. Okay. You still have a chance. A redemption.
01:43:48
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What 2016 M. Night Shyamalan film is about a kidnapper with 23 different personalities who's about to unleash the 24th. Split? Correct. So you redeemed yourself. No, we should just ask one. Okay. Because you can get these. Where are the phone calls coming from in the movie when a stranger calls? The floor below them.
01:44:18
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So where is that? The basement? Close enough. Inside the house. Oh, inside the house. That's the answer. I'll give it to you. I thought you meant which location in the house. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, damn, that's really specific. Because the other one is, the 2010 psychological horror film contains a sun that Astro projected into a realm called the Further. Oh, insidious.
01:44:48
Speaker
That was way too easy. Okay, you're ready? What is... Both of these are very simple. This is simple. Are you ready? This will be fun, yeah. This one will take some deductive reasoning, unless you automatically know, which you might know. Okay. Bob Clark directed both A Christmas Story and this 1974 Christmas Slasher movie.
01:45:18
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Oh shit. Um, black Christmas. Correct. I didn't even know. I just, it was like Christmas Phil. All right. Well, this one's easy, but, uh, we'll see if, if you know what actress plays Elizabeth in the 1980 movie, the fog.
01:45:42
Speaker
Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah. I mean, it's like, who's in the fog, Jamie Lee Curtis. But well, let me see. I think you could get this one. Just curious. The female lead in this film finds herself followed by an invisible force after sleeping with her boyfriend. What movie? Holloman. The female lead in this film finds herself followed by an invisible force after sleeping with her boyfriend.
01:46:13
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I have no idea. Well, shit, I should have asked that. It follows. Oh. Oh. Right? They're not invisible. Yeah, they are, because only the person with the disease can see it.
01:46:26
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But they're, okay, I guess that's kind of tricky. Cause she sees all the naked old people. Yeah. That's why I was like, Oh, maybe the Jamie Lee Curtis. Cause of the name. He wouldn't get it. Maybe it could be a different character. But the thing is that one's tricky because there are two female leads in that movie. Cause there's a woman in the, uh, the lighthouse. Oh, was it a, I thought she was a radio DJ. Yeah. In the lighthouse. And she's a big actress, right? Mm-hmm. Do you know who that was?
01:46:55
Speaker
No idea. Because that's like the twist, right? I don't like this one. All we could select, huh? It's stupid. Okay. I'm going to put it outside because it's like a dead baby can get that one right.
01:47:12
Speaker
Okay, well, this one's too easy then. Oh, this one's hard. Maybe. The 1972 version of The Last House on the Left was the directorial debut of For Witch Director. Fuck if I am. You definitely know who this director is. Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know. Wes Craven. Oh, okay. So I take a drink for that, right? Yeah. No, I lost that point. Oh, yeah. So you lose. Okay. So then I lost mine. Why not? No, you got it. You got it.
01:47:43
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Oh Okay, this will be an interesting one to see if you know it might be easy for you What state does a trauma entertainment film the toxic avenger take place? Milwaukee, you know state, Minnesota. Is that your answer? Is that your final answer? Yeah, New Jersey. Oh
01:48:09
Speaker
It's like, eh, maybe you know, toxic Avengers. I don't remember this state. I'm sure it's probably important to the story, but I don't remember. Um, Hmm. This one's a hard one. Ooh, this isn't both of these. Oh, this one's easy. Well, there's ones that that's hard in this one. So this one's pretty tough. I mean,
01:48:36
Speaker
I might be able to get it. Well, how many do I have right so far? Two. You have four. Teenage... Oh, I'll give you the easier one then. No, give it to me hard, baby. Okay. Teenage Charlie Brewster thinks his new next door neighbor is a vampire in this 1985 film that was later remade in 2000. Yeah, that's the one with Colin Farrell. Fright Night. Yes. Yes.
01:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, one of my favorites. I love that movie. It's actually a loose adaptation of Dracula. Really? Yes. Have you seen the one with Colin Farrell? Yes. And Anton Yeltsin. Yeah. That one's not bad. Not bad at all. I mean Colin Farrell and Anton Yeltsin. It kind of sucks. And David Tennant. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. All right. So this one I think is pretty hard for you.
01:49:28
Speaker
What character is revealed to be the werewolf in the movie Silver Bullet? It's the priest. It's the guy from Twin Peaks. He's a big Ed from Twin Peaks. He's the priest. Is he the percolator guy in Twin Peaks? No, he's the guy that
01:49:56
Speaker
runs the gas station. Okay, I don't know who that is, but wow buddy, it is the priest. Literally, it says the priest on here. I was just curious like, damn, how deep can he go? He goes deep. Are you ready? Yeah. This one I think is easy, but I don't know.
01:50:17
Speaker
You've definitely seen this one, though. What room number, also the title of the movie, is a paranormal hotspot in this 2007 film starring John Cusack? Yeah, that's 14L8? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, here's a good one. And it's a bit of a trick question. Who wrote the novella, The Hellbound Heart, which inspired the movie Hellraiser? Oh, that's easy. I know it is. Clive Barker. Yes.
01:50:46
Speaker
That's it. It was a bit of a trick like, eh, maybe you might not guess it. Interesting. This one's tough to pick which one's harder. Well, one's definitely easier than the other. So I guess it's the harder one. In the 1996 movie Jack Frost, the serial killer mutates into what? Jack Frost? What does he mutate into? Yeah.
01:51:10
Speaker
Wait, can you ask a question again? Yeah. Can you repeat the question? In the 1996 movie Jack Frost, the serial killer mutates into what? A snowman? Yeah. And the other question was, where is Ashley Williams work in the movie Army of Darkness? Oh, it's Walmart.
01:51:33
Speaker
It's close, you're close. Yeah, it's a Walmart knockoff. Yeah. Straight Mart. S-mart. S-mart. I guess that one was harder man. But yeah, I was like, okay. Maybe you didn't see that. I remember always seeing that one at the rental place, the VHS cover. Can I ask you the easy one and then the real one? Yeah. Okay. So this is the easy one. Okay. So if I get this right, it doesn't count. If you get it wrong, it won't count. Okay. How about that? Okay. No, no, no, no.
01:52:03
Speaker
But yeah, if she get it wrong, it won't count. Cause I really want to ask you the hard one, but this one is cute. So I want to ask it to you. What's JJ Abrams film had the tentative title one 1808. If you're hip with JJ Abrams, you would know this.
01:52:24
Speaker
1-1808 as a title for his film. Color field. Exactly, yeah. That was a cute one. So you get it. What was the hard one? What is the name of Broken Lizard's 2004 slasher film that was released after Super Troopers? Club Dread. Well, fuck, man. I'll take a drink on that. You got it both. I would not get this one. Okay, great. So...
01:52:54
Speaker
This movie actually really freaked me out, so. Okay. And I know it's a silly movie to be freaked out by, so I apologize. What is the cursed object in the 2009 movie Drag Me to Hell? Oh shit, what is? Fuck, I saw that movie once.
01:53:14
Speaker
A cursed object. Is there like a phone or friend? Is there multiple choice? I can give you a small hint. Okay. It is a part of clothing. Wow. Justin Long's in it and that hot chick is in it. I have no idea. It's a button. That's fair. I was going to say a goat's horn. Well, you're at five. What am I?
01:53:45
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How much are we getting to? 10. 10. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Okay. Okay. I gotta stop being so easy. No. Yeah. You gotta go hard, dude. Okay. Well, here's the one I'm skipping. Damien Thorne is the name of the movie Possessed Child in what? 1976 movie. That was the hardest one. Let me get that out of here. Yeah. That one's too easy.
01:54:16
Speaker
Oh, this one actually might be hard and it's kind of easy to know. What 2000 films starring Jennifer Connelly was based on a book by the author of the Ring trilogy? Phenomena. Is that your final answer? Dark Water.
01:54:42
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And that was based on the chick who died in L.A. in the water tower. Remember? Mm hmm. Fuck. That's why I was like, you know, I know you've seen that movie. Yes. God damn it, I knew that. Yeah, I just thought it was dark water. Yeah. I thought that was a Japanese remake. It is. OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. Without a doubt.
01:55:07
Speaker
This one is impossible. So I don't even want to ask it. It's almost too hard. Can you give it to me? Yeah. If I get it, that's two points. Yeah. Okay. This 1958 film takes place in a Swiss resort town where a mysterious radioactive cloud appears to be the cause of a series of decapitations. 1958. The Pink Panther.
01:55:34
Speaker
I never heard of this movie. What is it? The Crawling Eye. OK, I lost that one. Well, here, that's. No, I lost it. I lost. This one's a 50 50. So let's let me ask you this one. I'll let you redeem yourself with this one since you're behind. And it's a 50 50. OK. Which and it's also like the most shitty question ever. Which franchise has the most sequels, the Howling or Tremors? Tremors.
01:56:03
Speaker
the howling. Really? There's like nine of them. The howling. Tremors has like 20. I think there are seven Tremors movies. Do you know nine howling movies? No, but I know there are at least six Tremors movies and I know that there are at least six howling movies too, but I don't know more than that. Have you ever seen the howling? Yeah. I like the howling a lot. I've seen the first one and the sixth one.
01:56:30
Speaker
Really? During COVID, I wanted to watch franchises that had six movies and I watched the sixth film in every franchise. So I watched like Chucky Six, I watched Hellraiser Six, Howling Six, Tremor Six, Amityville Horror Six, It's About Time. Yeah, I watched them all. Me and my sister, we tried to watch all of the Jason films.
01:56:56
Speaker
And I think we made it up to Jason, where he has the hockey mask, like, iconically. So that's Jason four? That's number three. Isn't that, no. He gets the hockey mask in three. Jason three, three, three. Okay, then I think we made it to Jason four, because he gets electrocuted, I think. That's four. And we didn't make it past that. All right. Ooh. Oh, I know this one too. Ooh.
01:57:29
Speaker
Okay, do you want, okay. This is me questioning you on your cinephile-ness. Okay. Because this is a true cinephile-ness. Do it. This is battle royale. Okay. Doesn't mean giving you a big hint. This is true cinephile. Okay. Because cinephiles know battle royale. I know battle royale. When a Japanese high school student attempts to escape the battle royale, what method of control does Takashi
01:57:57
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Kitano demonstrate blows our head up Okay, that makes it detonates the neck collar I'll accept that debt detonates the explosive collar. Yeah. Yeah, I'll accept that. Okay, you're at eight That's easy. That was an easy one. Really? Oh, yes. I've seen that movie a million times There was a time I used to watch that movie like oh
01:58:21
Speaker
Very often. Really? I was in love with the girl that survives. Isn't the chick from Kill Billon? I don't know. I don't know what any of the actors think. I think she might have been. Well, let me ask you the other one. Okay. Just curious, because this one, you know it, you've seen it.
01:58:42
Speaker
What 2016 movie finds a group of thieves trapped inside a house they are trying to rob and discover that owner is not just a blind helpless victim? Oh God, what? I don't know, what's the title? Stephen Lang. Come on. And so with the cum based thing. Yes, yes. What is it called? You know it, you know it, you know it. And there's the sequel where he's like kind of redeemed a little bit. Listen to me. Breathe, just breathe. Breathe in.
01:59:15
Speaker
I don't know, I can't remember. Don't breathe. Don't breathe. Yeah, I knew you would know that. I was like, I got it wrong. Well, you got it right. I'll take the loss on that one. You got it right. I gotta take a drink. No, the Takashi one was harder. You could take a drink, but you got it. I'm also naming a title of a shitty movie that was directed by the guy that- No, we like don't breathe. Aha, whatever, that guy, the guy that directed, he's the same guy that directed Evil Dead Remake. You're at eight. Alexander Aha.
01:59:44
Speaker
For which evil dead? The one with the chick that got cut off? That was a good one. I mean, you know, it's not evil dead, but it was a good one. Interesting. Oh God. Hold on. Can I just say this to you? Yeah. What's in the box? Her head, her pretty little head. I'm going to just drink for that one.
02:00:09
Speaker
This one is interesting because after looking at the answer, it's looking for a specific breed. Oh, shit. The thing arrives at Outpost 31 in Antarctica. Does Kisti? Yes. Correct. Yeah.
02:00:23
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And the other question, if you want it, this is just a bonus freebie. This 1982 film features an escaped mental patient with a drill who decides to crash a high school student's slumber party. Wait, what? Can you repeat that again? This 1982 film features an escaped mental patient with a drill who decides to crash a high school student's slumber party. Great soundtrack. Oh, shit. I know. I've seen that.
02:00:47
Speaker
I don't know. Slumber party massacre. But you got the question right. Well, I'm not gonna ask you this one, but let me see if you can get it. What attacks a group of teens, because you know this film, you've seen it. What attacks a group of teens in the 1986 movie, Chopping Mall? Robots. Yeah, security robots. Oh, okay. I was gonna ask you that. I need a refill. We're almost done with the bottle, so that's the end of the bottle.
02:01:18
Speaker
I have, no, I have a drink. I filled up. That's okay. That's an empty box. That gave me flashbacks of the last time with the last. In honor of Dickhead. Wait, isn't it my turn to ask you a question? I don't remember. Whose turn is it? I don't know. I don't know. Let's go first to 20.
02:01:44
Speaker
Well, let me see how many you are at. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Hey, you haven't moved anything, dude. You've been at eight. Let's go first to 20. Okay. Because this is fun. I'm having fun. And this is in honor of dickhead. Okay. What? And if you get this wrong, I suck. We're deleting dickhead.
02:02:09
Speaker
What 1978 classic horror film was originally titled Halloween. And you want, you want to know what the easier question was? Who directed Bram Stoker's Dracula? Yeah. He came back from the dead for that. Well, once you said 1978, it's like, yeah, Halloween. Oh, here.
02:02:37
Speaker
Oh shit, this is so easy. But in honor, in honor of who we have discussed on this podcast, and this is an layup for you. So if you get it wrong, you got to do a double drink. Okay.
02:02:53
Speaker
What 2012 film stars Ethan Hawke as a true crime writer and featured a demon named Baku. Oh, it's easy. It's, uh, yeah. Name it. Name it. Oh, Sinister. Sinister. Yeah. I almost said insidious.
02:03:13
Speaker
Do you want to hear the yeah, here's the other yeah, what 2016 film I mean, you know this one what 2016 film centers around a father and son coroner Investigating the death of an unidentified unidentified autopsy of Jane Jo. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I've never seen it Really? Are you serious? Mm-hmm
02:03:37
Speaker
I've never seen it. Dude, that's one of mine out. And Alex is like, I know you guys are always talking about Emil Hirsch and Brian Cox. Oh, that's a good cast. Dude, let's let's watch that. And who done done it? And we'll see who's the best film of the night. Let's watch who done done it first. Interesting.
02:04:01
Speaker
Do you want the harder one? Ooh. Do you want the hard one? This one's pretty fucking hard. I want the hard ones, man. Give it to me hard. Okay. If you get this, I'll finish my drink. Okay. Even though we're out of whiskey. I still have a bunch of my glass. You know, I have a lot here at the house. What is the name of the docile and domesticated zombie in Day of the Dead? I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about, but I have no idea.
02:04:32
Speaker
Bub. That's kind of like, here's the follow up question. No, but hold on. That's kind of like, um, have you seen that movie with, um, the comedian and he's a zombie. It's like a cute story. It's it's like an Irish comedian, English comedian. It's like Bud or something like that. And he's like a pet.
02:05:03
Speaker
Fido. Yes. Fido. Yes. God damn it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's Bill Conley, I think. Shit. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Well, I lost that one then. Yeah. But here's the second question. Okay. Just for chits and giggles. Well, I'll take my drink then.
02:05:23
Speaker
What actor stars in the 1999 film, Stir of Echoes, in which a man sees it? Kevin Bacon. Yes, you got it right. I knew you'd get that one. All right. Well, I know you're going to get this one, but I got to ask here because it's such a classic. What 1983 slasher film ended with a gender-bending twist by The Lakeside? Oh, Sleepboy, yeah. Yep.
02:05:45
Speaker
Let me see if you get this one though. Yeah. In the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, what activity are the survivors most afraid of? Ooh, that's a hard one. I have no idea. I've never seen it. In the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, what activity are the survivors most afraid of? Sleeping. Really? Yeah. I've never seen any of those.
02:06:09
Speaker
Yes, you have. Dude, do you know how many invasion of the Body Snatcher movies there are? Three. I've never seen that at all. There's so many others that aren't even called invasion. There's someone with Tom Cruise's wife. What's her name? Which one? The hot one, the redhead. The redhead. Eyes wide shut.
02:06:32
Speaker
Nicole Kidman. And James Bond. The other. Pierce Brosnan? No. Quincy Dalton? The latest one. Daniel Craig? Daniel Craig. It's like The Others or some shit. The Others? They're ghosts. I know it's not The Others, but it's one of their movies. It's like Invasion of the Life Snatchers. Oh, never seen any of them. Well, you got Sleepaway Camp, so you're at nine. I knew Sleepaway Camp. Yeah, I should've asked the hard one.
02:07:01
Speaker
Well, both of these are really hard. Easy as fuck. Okay. Trying to think which one. None of these are hard. Which one's easier? Well, then just skip it. Give me another one. Look at that huge pile in front of you. You can skip it. Let me just ask. What series of children's horror books is written by author R.L. Stein? Goosebumps. There you go.
02:07:27
Speaker
Nah, give me another one, come on, that's stupid. Well, I'm giving you that one. Stuntman Kane Hodder is best known for his portrayal as what character? That's too easy, give me another one, that's Jason. Okay, what 1988 film directed by Wes Craven centers around an anthropologist sent to Haiti to research voodoo? Okay, let me just do it. There you go. To research voodoo? Yeah, Serpent and the Rainbow.
02:07:55
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I lost that one. I've heard of that. I've never seen it. This next one involves math. Good luck. Well, I lost that. That was the one I lost, right? Yeah, but you got it right because you got the goosebumps question. Well, no, I drank. Don't include it. Get that out of there. No, I put it wrong. Get it out of there. It's in the wrong pile. Okay. Oh, what? This one is tricky. This next one's hard as fuck.
02:08:24
Speaker
Okay. I hope you're... I'm going to ask you the hard one. Yeah, please. You're going to get it wrong, and then I'm going to ask you the easy one. You think? Yeah. What astrological event occurs during the 2017 movie Veronica that causes the character to invoke harmful spirits? If you get this right, I'm going to... Haley's Comet. Am I wrong? Yes, you're wrong. Oh, I have no idea then. Solar Eclipse.
02:08:54
Speaker
Look at that movie, I've never seen it. Okay, you lost that. But, for fun, what 2006 horror film about an alien plague was directed by Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunner? I knew you'd get that. The Veronica one was like, yeah, I don't think so. No, I never even heard of that movie.
02:09:17
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You gotta get this. It's tricky. Ooh, I got such a good one for you. I got such a good one for you. This one's tricky. I got such a good one for you. I'm gonna only give you one hint before I read the question. No, that's fine. I'm not gonna give you any hints for this. You love this movie. What 2018 film unravels cryptic and terrifying circuits about the Graham family ancestry? What?
02:09:39
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I like this movie. Love this movie. Repeat it. What 2018 film unravels cryptic and terrifying secrets about the Graham family ancestry? Graham? Graham. I have no idea. Think about family ancestry. That just makes you think of parasite. 2018 film that you like. Didn't that come out of horror?
02:10:04
Speaker
Hereditary? Yes, correct. Really? No, that doesn't count. That doesn't count. Okay, you want the easy one? If you get this wrong. Yeah, give me that. You gotta go back to element. Hereditary doesn't count. In the 2012 movie, the ABCs of Death, how many stories were included in the film?
02:10:23
Speaker
A B C E E F D H I J 24. Oh, come on. There's 26 letters on the alphabet. I'm giving you the answer. You're fucking drunk. OK. OK, this this is a solid one. This is this is a solid one. OK. What breed of dog is Kujo? St. Bernard.
02:10:53
Speaker
Oh, dude. You know why I know that? Because the same director of Beethoven is the same director that directed Kudio. Oh, my God. That's so disturbing, Tom. Interesting. Their name is the Graham family in hereditary? I don't know. I didn't know. I mean, either. I never I was like, huh, I never would. Yeah.
02:11:19
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Oh, that's too easy. Witch installment from the Halloween franchise does not feature Michael Myers. What was that? Oh, that's Halloween three. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, does it have like a colon season of the witch? It does. Yeah. Okay. Is it season of the witch or? It is. Okay. Colon season of the witch. All right. Well, then here's an easy one for you. What Duffer Brothers TV show takes place in-
02:11:50
Speaker
Okay. Well, that was easy. Do you want to know what the other one was? Yeah. Who wrote the story on which the film Children of the Corn was based? Stephen King. Yeah. That's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. What am I at? One, two, three. One, two, three. One, two, three.
02:12:18
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We need to play harder games, dude. Nine. Shit, you're beating me by three. Okay, okay. Steven needs to not take it easy anymore. Why does Lance Hendrickson's character summon the demon pumpkin head? To a vengeous son. Perfect, yes. Okay. Exact wording. Oh, wow. This might be hard. Good.
02:12:46
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What is Norman Bates' hobby in the movie Psycho? Yeah. It's like, what? Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to get it. If you took this long, you're not going to get it. What is Norman Bates' hobby in the movie Psycho? Taxidermy is the first thing that popped into my head, but
02:13:11
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I want to say it's also something to do with fishing. Give me an answer, man. I will say you may have said it. Taxidermy. Is that your final answer? Yes. You're right. Okay. Ooh, that was good, man. That was a tough one, right? Yes. But what TV show remake is based on a 1985 movie starring Michael J. Fox as a high school? Teen Wolf. Yeah. That's pretty easy. I'm going to take a drink on that because that was easy.
02:13:40
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Damn, I almost stumped you with the taxidermy one. You did? Yeah. I don't know why I was like fishing lures or something, but I was like, no, I think it's like taxidermy. Okay, which franchise has the most sequels? Saw or Children of the Corn? Now you have to think, this game probably came out before all the Saw movies have been released. When did this game come out? I have no idea.
02:14:09
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Well, it's gotta be solved, but it might be chosen in the corn now. What's your final answer? Huh? What's your final answer? Fuck, chosen in the corn. Correct. Yeah.
02:14:22
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How many children in the corn movies does it say though? It doesn't say. Oh, cause saw just came out with one recently. There's been 10 saws or 11, I guess. But I think there's like 12 children in the corn movies. I'm going to ask you both for this, but I'm going to give you the hard question first. Please. In 1984 movie Silent Night, Deadly Night,
02:14:47
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Who does the murderer dress up as? Oh, that's easy, Santa. Yes, you're right. I've seen all of them. What movie franchise that began in 2004 featured tortures, traps, south amputations, and buckets full of blood? Saw? Yeah. You got it. Well, these are both... These are too easy, man. These are very easy.
02:15:11
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What state does the film and comic book mini series 30 days of night take place? What state does the film Texas Chainsaw Massacre take place in? That one is Alaska. Yes. And the other question, which is even easier. Christian Bale played Patrick Bateman, the Hanukkah. American Psycho. No, but it's what is the name of the author? Alice.
02:15:40
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You're close, that's his last name, yes. There's three names. Ooh, that's a hard one, I don't know. Oh, I mean, you got Ellis. Yeah, Ellis. Brett Easton Ellis. Brett Easton Ellis. Have you ever heard him talk? No, I haven't. He has a podcast and he's interviewed Tarantino a few times. Yeah, he's pretty good, but he sounds like a sociopath. He is a sociopath. I mean, if you've read his books, it's like, dude, there's something fucking wrong with you.
02:16:10
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Yeah, no one just sits around and thinks of the shit they are. Five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Oh, you're at 14 as well. We're tied. How did you tie up? Okay, I'm going to give you the hard one. You're not going to get this. I always want the hard one. You're not going to get this one. Good. In the movie Manic,
02:16:37
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What body part taken from victims did the murderer nail to mannequins? So tell me when you want to quit. Manic or maniac? Maniac. Yes, you're right. Maniac.
02:16:53
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The remake had... No, no, no. In what? In the movie Maniac, what body part taken from the victims hit the murderer now to the mannequins? I've never seen it, but I want to say tits. You didn't see the one with the... Frodo? Yeah. Uh-uh. All right. I'll give you a layup. No, I got it wrong. No. Was it tits?
02:17:18
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It scalps. Yeah. What Wayne's brothers, no, no, no, no. Don't take a drink. Because if you get this one wrong, you got to take a triple drink. Okay. What Wayne's brothers parody series use the title. Oh, scary movie. Yeah, you got it. Come on. Jesus Christ. That's what I was saying. You got to take a triple drink.
02:17:46
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These are actually pretty, this one's pretty tough. Okay. Both of these are tough. Let's hear it, let's hear it. If you get both of these right, you're good. I'm gonna go with the harder question first. Of course. What actress played Tiffany in the Bride of Chucky? Oh, that's Jennifer Tilly? Correct. Okay. What Clive Barker movie focuses on monsters who inhabit the underground city of Midian?
02:18:16
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Is that the subway one with... It's not Midnight Metering. Fuck you, dude. You fucking dickhead. You knew what I was... With Bradley Cooper. It's not that one. It's the older one. I don't know. Oh, you've never seen Nightbreed? I don't think I have, yeah. Oh. Okay, so that's a half a drink. So I didn't get that. Well, you got Jeff or Tilly, so... No, I don't...
02:18:45
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Do you know she's a poker player? Mm-hmm. These are two easy questions. Okay. Do you want to give you, I'm gonna give you the easy one first. I want both. If I don't get both right, I don't know the win. No, it doesn't count. What was written on the hotel door in The Shining? Red Rum? Yes, you're right. Murder again? But that wasn't the question. Okay. What 2011 film was first, was the first horror movie directed by Kevin Smith?
02:19:16
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Tusk. No, red state. Red state. Exactly. Exactly. Red state. Yes, you're right. Yeah. Well, you can't you literally cannot miss either of these. It's. All right, let's go. This is. Well, do you want the easiest question of all time or the second easiest question? Second easiest question of all time. Who directed the 2003 slasher film House of 1000 Corpses? Oh, Rob Zummy.
02:19:46
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Who directed the original 1978 version of Halloween? Jesus Christ, dude, those are the questions? Well, Rolling Stone Ballad is sung by the demon as real as he possesses bodies in the Denzel Washington film, The Fallen.
02:20:10
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That's a tough one. I've seen the fallen. Yes, I know you have. John Goodman. Yeah, I know you have. You're going to get the first one, so I won't ask that. I'll ask that if you don't guess this. I mean, I want to say you can't always get what you want. But I don't. That's not it. Oh, sympathy for the devil.
02:20:35
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Oh, is on. Is on my side. Yeah, I got it wrong. Yes, it is. But hold on. I got it wrong. OK. Let me see this one. Kevin Bacon stars in what 1990 film about a group of people fighting for survival against. Tremors. Yes. But you didn't get that. This one's interesting. I'm going to give you a layup here.
02:21:02
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Because it's too good. You ready for your layup? Mm hmm. What animal was Betty White's character feeding in the movie Lake Alligator? Correct. Yeah. Or is it a crocodile? Alligator. Yeah. Well, here's my layup. What movie features an alien hunting hiding in the jungle? Oh my God. Predator. Yeah.
02:21:28
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Okay, that's seriously okay. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I'm gonna give that to you. But how about this? They're here. Oh, poltergeist. God damn it. I'm gonna take a drink. Ooh, this one's actually a little tough. Are you ready for a tough one? Mm-hmm.
02:21:46
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In the movie, in the Eli Roth movie, The Green Inferno, who abducts a group of student activists after their plane crashes in the Peruvian jungle? Natives. I mean, yes, but can I have a little more?
02:22:05
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Native brown people? Like, I don't know. They're just fucking indigenous people who are cannibals. There you go. Okay. Tribe of cannibals. All right. Um, so I'm at 18? Yes. All right. Give me hard questions, but, uh, we got to make this more challenging. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
02:22:31
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I'm good with that, even though this is like a five-hour episode. Oh, here's a good one. What 2008 vampire movie was filmed in Sweden? Let the Right One In. Yeah, fucking good on you, man. It's a good one movie though. Yeah. I didn't like, I saw the, I didn't really like it. Well, this is incredibly difficult. If you get this, you are a god.
02:23:01
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What 1990 film featuring Lou Diamond Phillips has his character trying to bring the pentagram killer to justice? Any more clues than that? I've never even heard of this movie. I haven't heard of yet. The First Power. Yes, I don't know. The follow-up question. What actress plays the main character Susie Banyan in the 2018 Suspiria remake? Suspiria.
02:23:31
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No, the remake. Who plays the main character? Susie Bannon? Yeah. That cute chick from... Peanut Butter Falcon? Yeah. What's her name? I don't know. Dakota Johnson. Ooh, I got a good one for you. This is the winning question. Let me ask you a question. Okay. Because I have a winning question, so...
02:23:59
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And then we're gonna go until you win. Okay. Machines come to life and become homicidal after a comet causes a radiation storm in the 1986 film starring Emilio Estevez. Directed by Stephen King, his first and only film. The Green Goblin.
02:24:32
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The actor that plays Lisa Simpson is in. What the fuck is the movie called though? What the fuck is that movie called? Do you hear my voice?
02:24:55
Speaker
Mm hmm. Yeah, you're like revving. I know exactly the green goblins in it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know exactly. I know exactly what we were talking about. You fucking suck, bro. Um. Do you want to give it to you? No, I know. I know you're going to lose. You're going to lose.
02:25:24
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Do you want a loser, ready? Are you ready to lose? I can't remember what it's called, though. You fucking loser! Stephen King! Rawr! Rawr! Rawr! Rawr! I can't drink too much. All I can think of is batteries not included, but that's not the movie. It's, uh... Are you ready? Tell me when you're ready. Are you ready? It's like... Is it one word or two words?
02:25:50
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Two. Two word. Maximum overdrive. Yes. Okay. Oh, thank God. Okay. Let me go. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
02:26:18
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Can you close the door and put the... That one took me a minute. I think you're at 18 or 19. I had good ones for you, but I dropped the cards. This one is very hard. You ready for some that are very hard? Yeah, of course. That's what I've been waiting for.
02:26:47
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In the 1985 film Cat's Eye, what creature attempts to steal the life of a young Drew Barrymore? A cat? No, no, no. It's like a little goblin. You're close. An elf? What lives under a bridge? A troll. A troll. Yeah.
02:27:17
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Don't give it. Don't give it to me. The second one is just as hard. You definitely won't get this. Who narrated the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre along with the 2003 remake and the 2006 prequel? There's a narrator? That's what I thought. I don't know, dude. I didn't even know there's a narrator there. I'll give you a very obscure hint. He is the villain in Richie Rich.
02:27:44
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Yeah, you got that. John Larrickett. Okay. John Larrickett, huh? I'm gonna give that to you. You're one way from winning. No, I didn't get it. Too late, it's in the wind pile. Okay, here's one for you that is easy, because you know this and you've seen it. Are you ready? Mm-hmm.
02:28:09
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What 2012 slasher film is a story about an annual ritual sacrifice to appease the ancient ones? Oh, cabin in the woods. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. Well, do you want to hear the other one? Oh, here's, here's the other one. What 1958 creature feature stars, see McQueen in the, his first, the blob.
02:28:40
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Nice, dude. Yeah. That was a pretty easy one. Speaking of Cabin in the Woods, what mythical creature did Hadley hope to see as a killer in Cabin in the Woods? Mermaid. Oh, shit. I don't even know who that was, but I was like, a mermaid. You won, buddy. All right, let me give you one to catch up. Okay. One to catch up. Make it hard. Really hard. Really hard. Okay, well, that's... Oh, my God.
02:29:10
Speaker
OK, this is too easy. It's literally who hosted Twilight Zone and who was Freddy Krueger? Robert England. Yeah, you got both of those right. OK, let me. That's easy. Come on, give me a real hard one, like one that was like you definitely don't think I would get. OK, this is.
02:29:36
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This is a cute one. Who is also known as the Mistress of Dark? Oh, Elvira. Okay. Come on, give me a hard one. I said hard. All right, I thought that was a hard one. All right, here's one. Here's one. And this is easy, but it is hard.
02:29:58
Speaker
And I'm going to give you the, there's no easy answer for this. I'm going to give you the hard one. Okay. Good. What is the name of the possessed doll in child's play? What you mean? It's like not Chucky. It's not Chucky. What is the name of the possessed doll and child's play? Like who is the one possessing Chucky? The actor's name? No, the character.
02:30:28
Speaker
It's like, yeah, I'll give you a hard one. That's hard. Uh, Brad Dorff. No, it's not. Stephen Dorff. Nope. I said Brad Dorff. Yeah, it's not him. I have no idea. Are you sure? Yeah.
02:30:45
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Charles Lee Ray. No, I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a tough one. Um, Oh, here's, you know, here's one. Here's one. That's tough. That what 2014 film is based on a Hasbro board game. 2014 film.
02:31:13
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What 2014 film is based on a Hasbro board game? And this, this is fair. This is me not giving you a layup or anything. And you will be like, if you don't get it, you're getting like, oh, sorry. 2014 film. What? 2014 film is based on a Hasbro board game. You're going to be so pissed when I mentioned it.
02:31:45
Speaker
Hmm. Hmm. And you're not going to get it because you don't watch the schlock. It's a schlock for like 24. It's a schlock that I would watch. So that gives you, you know, I don't know.
02:32:07
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It's not like 70s or before, it's not 80s or before, it's not 90s or before. I was gonna say, it's like, it's too new for me to know. Yeah, it's not 90s, no nine. Hasbro. There's no one nine, there's no one nine, it's a two, literally it says what, 2014, so that's, you know, 2014 film is based on Hasbro's. 10 years ago.
02:32:36
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Come on, man. I will let you beat me with this answer. Weegee.
02:32:53
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Holy shit. Wow, you got it, man. Weegee. I dug deep. Yeah, Weegee. Was that really the answer? Yes, it was. It was Weegee. The Weegee boy, that's when I was like, you're not going to get it. Weegee. Holy shit. You got it. Yeah. Thank you, Red Letter Media. Well, I think they did an episode on it.
02:33:19
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Yes, they've done like three episodes on it. Well, buddy, let's close it out. All right.
Episode Conclusion with Humor and Thanks
02:33:24
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Thanks everyone for listening. Stay tuned for dead babies. Cut.