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TSP Ep 126: Let's Drunk or Back From Hiatus to Talk About the Same thing... Again!
21 Plays2 months ago
In this return, Tom and Steve talk about the same things like AI, how bad modern movies are, how hard they try, how good Dick Head is, but at least they read a new script by Tom that's bonkers!
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
R.I.P. James Earl Jones
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Transcript
Podcasting Resumption and Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
The plate is full. I'm working. I'm podcasting. It's been a minute, Zoe. I know you've forgotten. Can you, Pippi? But we're back. I know I need to sit a little further back because I am disgusting. Okay. Okay. Are you ready? I am ready. Do I sound ready? You sound good. All right. I got this microphone right in my face. All right, everybody. Hello. Welcome to the Twin Shadows podcast.
00:00:27
Speaker
Oh, Jesus. Let me take that run of time. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Twin Shadows Podcast, a podcast about film, filmmaking, and filmmakers. Brought to you, as always, by the two sexiest and most exhausted hosts, Tom and Steve. Cheers to that. How are you? And cheers. We're drinking some con mara.
Irish Whiskey and Project Exhaustion
00:00:49
Speaker
Some Irish whiskey from the land of the Ireland. And I got this from my brother while he went to Ireland. Oh, from Jake? Yeah. And this was like my, like his souvenir that he got from me. And oh it's a good, good pick. Goodbye. Thank you, Jake. This is like legit straight from Ireland imported and everything. Smells like it. Smells like a good IRA bombing. All smoky. It's really good. That is a really good whiskey.
00:01:19
Speaker
Well, buddy, how you been? It's been a long time since we've ah been in these chairs. Yeah, well you asked me in the notes, how are you buddy? Yep. And I simply wrote tired. Dude, I'm so exhausted. Uh, I wouldn't say burnt out, but definitely tired. I'm not burnt out cause we're doing really good on dickhead and really making some really good progress. We'll get into more of that coming up, but yeah, you know, so I feel that momentum. I feel motivated, but fool
00:01:52
Speaker
man, I am like, my eyes feel half open, you know? Yeah, I'm feeling the same. um Yeah, that's the reason why in the intro I put that we're exhausted. To me, it's like, like, it's, a it's it's you know, you said you're not burnt out.
00:02:08
Speaker
And there's definitely a difference between exhausted and burnt out. And it ah to me, and I just said to me like a few times, I apologize. I'll get back into like more proper talking here in a minute. Yeah, it's been a while since we've been on here. Just stick with us. I promise by the end of the show, we'll probably be slurring our words in a fantastic, normal manner that you are accustomed to. Back to it. But it's it's like everything else is exhausting.
00:02:37
Speaker
Yeah, whenever we're actually sitting around working on dickhead, that's when I'm actually feeling like energized. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, fuck, like, because it especially this year and we're going to kind of talk about that later. So stick around to kind of hear
Balancing Life and Filmmaking
00:02:52
Speaker
like what's been going on if you want updates on where we're at with the film and what's going on. That's kind of what the main thing is. It's like just kind of getting back into podcasting. The reason ah we've been absent, things like that and Yeah, it's just been really tough. um Just kind of balancing that day job life with, you know, you got the we got families, we got
00:03:21
Speaker
growing families and we got, yeah you know, work and then the sacrifices sleep to come and do yeah and work on dickhead. And it's like, well, it's the sacrifice and it is a sacrifice, but it's one I gladly make, but every now and then it's just like, I can't like last weekend,
00:03:45
Speaker
I know we were supposed to meet up and I really regretted it and felt guilty that I wasn't- Good, you should. I wasn't able to make it, but it was like- Didn't you get sick? I was sick, yeah. Yeah, but don't worry about it, dude. I was like so tired. If you're sick, don't- Like, I was just like, dude, I don't think I even got out of bed. Yeah. Like, over the weekend.
00:04:06
Speaker
Well, yeah, cause I was like messaging you and you you weren't responding. So I was like, oh shit, maybe Tom has COVID or something. Like I just like, I had like a bad headache and then the AC was broken. Oh yeah. And so it was, and it was, we had a really bad heat wave. And then like, as soon as the heat wave ended, they came and fixed the AC. I was like, okay. Yeah. And then then it was just dealing with all of that. And it was like, dude, I feel like I feel so shitty. And I was like, fuck, I need to get over, like, at least Steven has AC. I got to get over there. And then Katie was like, I'm not feeling good. Like, I need you to help with the kids. And I was like, oh, God, I can't get out of bed, dude. I'm dying. and I'm like, and then it was I think it's just like because like I had traveled to Texas that week. And that week was brutal. It was it's work at like work has just been fucking relentless.
00:04:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to ask with the fires because I think that's also why I'm trying just like so much shit going on all over. Yeah. um But has that extended your commute? Yeah. Because the route you take, did that is that on?
00:05:15
Speaker
tired um It's not on fire, but it has affected the traffic a lot. and Like I don't want to complain because it's like I haven't lost my house or anything. It's just added like 30 minutes to my drive each way. Okay. um But yeah, it's been taking me two and a half hours to get to work and from home and home. Yeah. um So it's just like I get home at like 6, 6 30.
00:05:37
Speaker
And if I ain't in bed by 8 o'clock, you know, I'm probably not getting that much sleep and then, and you know, I got to get up and leave by 4.45 and that's like... Yeah. God damn dude, long days. Yeah. And then normally it's like when it's slow at work, I can like kind of like look at stuff for dickhead and or I can just like read and research stuff but slightly it's like i there's no time. Yeah. It's been bad. Just been go, go, go. Yeah, I even was like,
00:06:05
Speaker
I even talked to my my boss and my other boss and I was just like, something's got to let up. like You guys are going to lose me. yeah I told him and I was like, you guys are going to lose me. I've been doing everything around here.
00:06:19
Speaker
i am I was like, I'm just gonna walk out. Cause you're like the only person, right? Like the only IT worker? Yeah, for LA.
00:06:31
Speaker
For LA? Yeah, all of LA and then I'm supporting another
Progress and Hopes for 'Dickhead'
00:06:36
Speaker
district, ah two other districts and yeah I'm just like, okay, you guys.
00:06:44
Speaker
Can someone help? I was like on the phone with someone and my boss was like, hey, can you call and schedule this appointment? And I was like, you just asked me to call this other person. I can't be on two phone calls at the same time. yeah like And I was like, can you call? yeah i'm like I'm looking at you. You're not doing anything.
00:07:05
Speaker
Yeah, um'm just and it's also just like, I think the problem is too is as we get closer and as we're kind of realizing as Dickhead becomes more of a realization that it's a project near completion.
00:07:20
Speaker
I've always had it in my head that like, oh yeah, Dickhead will be this the next step to whatever. yeah i get my head Like a for the past decade, it's going to be a decade probably by the time, or at least nine years um when we probably like, hopefully if everything goes as planned complete, Dickhead, it will be next year, probably early next year.
00:07:42
Speaker
yeah and Right? I've always had them heads like, yeah, we finished Dickhead and then we're filmmakers, right? Like, we don't have to do our day jobs. We're gonna get all this thing. And it's like, to me, it's like, as you get closer, it's like, you can almost start tasting it. Like, it's kind of in the air. And like, and like, that's when everyone is like telling you, like, we showed people the film that kind of like, we wanted people to rip it apart and say it's shit. Like, that's what I wanted. I wanted people to be like, it fucking sucks.
00:08:08
Speaker
You guys wasted eight years, you shouldn't even be bothering with it because- Wait, you wanted that to be that extreme? I did. Because to me, with if that would at least be like, well, we could do this, this, and this, or we can... Or it's like, it's like hey, your movie sucks because this isn't working, this isn't working. But everyone was just like, everyone that had a comment, we had an answer for already. Yeah.
00:08:33
Speaker
And it's like, oh, maybe we actually have something good. Like maybe we have something that could be something. and and like And then we were, and I don't know if I should say this part, but then you were like showing me there for, there for thief. And I was just like, we're not this, we're not delusionally this, right? I'll definitely cut that out. But go on, yeah. Cause I was, okay, so I'll rephrase that in a more politically correct manner.
00:09:02
Speaker
Uh, Steven sent me a short film, uh, that I watched and I was just like, there is a separation here between the level of delusion, where the people that worked on this are like, this is the best thing I've ever made. This is so cool. Is that what was being said? I don't know if that, okay. That's at least how it was being done. I don't know if I dived into it that deep. Cause I was kind of just reading the comments and when people were posting. Yeah. And I was like,
00:09:33
Speaker
What is going on here? so Yeah. I don't think I spoiled it what we were talking about there. But no, I was just I watched the short. I remember I was at work and like I because haven't been taking lunch breaks. Really? Yeah. Working through your lunch.
00:09:52
Speaker
Yeah. Do you get paid? I probably should, but I've been kind of slept like i've been like slacking on like figuring out like what my actual recorded hours are. like I worked overtime the day and I didn't bill it for it. and I was like, why didn't I bill for it? I need to bill for it. but I had to get approval before I work overtime, but they're still being, I'm still having things asked of me. Yeah. When I'm like getting ready to leave. So I'm like, fuck, it's, it's a tight rope. And I'm like, also it's like, to me, whenever I i do, I work on unbuilt overtime. That means I'm going to like probably come in, I'll try to like leave a little later or something.
00:10:29
Speaker
Oh, so you kind of make up for the difference that way. Yeah. I try to find a way or like I'll be like, Hey, I worked late. I'm going to leave at three instead of like three 30 or something. Yeah. But lately it's like every day I've been working until four, four 30. I'm like, yeah, that's, I just threw away like 300 bucks.
00:10:48
Speaker
Amen. We need the money. I know. I was thinking about that too and I was like, and I really need every penny
Financial Struggles and Filmmaking as a Business
00:10:54
Speaker
right now. Like, shit. Like, ah that's why also why I was like, I don't care. I'll work just because that extra money is going to pay for this other stuff that we need. Yeah. um But yeah, you know, it's like to get to the next bullet point. and And then buddy, you have anything else to say? Sorry, I've been ranting. No, by all means, the brother.
00:11:13
Speaker
It's your birthday, you get to ah you say, it's not your official birthday, but it is yesterday, but whatever. You get to say whatever you want. Hey, Friday the 13th. Yeah, welcome hey if you're listening to this, it is now Friday the 13th for us. So ah what's your favorite Jason movie? Do you have one? Do you know them that well? ah Yeah, well enough. I think I made it up to like five or six and then I kind of died out because me and my sister, we try to do a Jason marathon.
00:11:42
Speaker
And then I try to do another Jason marathon much later and I don't think I made it past three. But um you know, I really like the first one because it's it's like a psycho rip. Oh yeah, it's psycho in reverse, absolutely. You know, and it's really good. It's like really solid. Yes. There's a reason why there were like a billion slashers after Friday at 13 came out. Like everyone says like Halloween started the craze. Yeah.
00:12:10
Speaker
But I think it was it's like Halloween came out and then Friday the 13th came out proving that it worked. Yeah. five Like Friday the 13th was the proof that there was something that wasn't a fluke. Yeah. Like in all people, you could go back and you could say like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and then Peeping Tom and Psycho kind of really like and there are like some other movies in between there. um But like when you're talking like American mainstream kind of thing, you're going Halloween.
00:12:37
Speaker
in 1978 and then Nightmare Before I'm Here for Christmas. That was a good slasher. Friday the 13th in 1980 and it's like, and then right after that, it's just like, you know, you got everything, you know, My Bloody Valentine, The Burning. Oh, really? It's just like, this slavery everyone was jumping on on that. It was because they can be made for cheap and they made money. it And nothing has really changed since then. and nothing else Nothing has changed, right? like the the The interesting and shitty aspect of filmmaking is filmmaking is as much a business as it is an art. Yeah. um Simply for the fact that it takes a village to make a movie. Oh, yeah. And yeah we ain't commies. You know, these motherfuckers want. Oh, sorry about that. he's my These want to get paid. yeah you And if you ain't paying them,
00:13:36
Speaker
It shows. Yes. Yeah. But I wanted to jump in the bullet point and then kind of get back into this. And there's a question. There's a couple of questions in here for you. It's been a long time since we've podcasted, you know, post-productions. Finally, like actually like we've been in post-production, I would say almost like a limbo for literally since probably like mid last year. Yeah. um Where like we were working on things but the progress was so slow compared to what we've been doing that it's like incalculable.
00:14:11
Speaker
yeah um Like we, like there were some scenes that have just been kind of done for a long time. Yeah. Because that they were just, oh, this was what what we shot and this is what we got. This is it. But it was just, it was, but this last, I want to say like 10, 11 months have been hammering out and ironing out every issue to as ah sharp as we can possibly get it. Well, wouldn't you say it's been like that since the cabin?
00:14:42
Speaker
Yeah, and but that was like two years ago. If not more, right? Yeah. Two and a half years ago. But I feel like it was really... um Like things weren't really coming to fully together until recently? It was when we kind of started like solving the problems.
00:15:00
Speaker
Because the cab what the cabin did to me for me was realize that there's a cut here. Not only is there a cut, but we didn't have to be afraid to take ourselves seriously. Oh, and for me, that was a big issue. Yeah. As I was always like, no, this is it's a fucking joke, right? Like we didn't like there because really, when you kind of look at it like we were watching the the very first cut I did not that long ago, I think we were when you had Covid.
00:15:30
Speaker
We were watching a little bit of it. Yeah. And I had watched all of it. I watched it like three times. Yeah, I think I got like halfway through and then I don't know. what And it's even like but the for some reason the project output wasn't even right. So like this, it's like a small square.
00:15:46
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just, it's so shit. Well, you said after you saw it the first time, you're like, dude, you gotta watch it. I think we had something here. But we did. And I think that was kind of like, it kind of left me in like a weird, funky limbo. Why is that? Because it was like, I think I did that cut like a couple months after we wrapped. Three months. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, oh, we were, we were that close.
00:16:11
Speaker
8 years ago. And then we just, at least for me, I know it was I just didn't believe in myself and I didn't believe in... Well, um yeah, go ahead, sorry. Oh, but yeah, just not I'll just say like, and that was it. Like, I just, I didn't believe in myself and it was just a huge matter of self and that was one reason why um I wanted an editor so bad was because I honestly just didn't think like We could do it. like I didn't believe I could do it.
Improving Filmmaking Skills
00:16:41
Speaker
I had didn't think I could edit. I didn't think I could edit proficiently. I thought there was some magical thing. It's so funny we were talking about Alex earlier before the podcast. and I'll bring up Alex because he's he's a good friend of ours. and and He's a silly little guy sometimes. and He sent me a mouse and he said, this mouse is great for editing. You think this would make me a ah better editor?
00:17:05
Speaker
And all I could think was, Alex, you have and so that's such a the worst mindset. And I told him this, like, that's not the mindset, dude. A mouse isn't gonna make you an editor. I don't give a fuck. You know how they have like those dials and the oh yeah and the fast edits? That's not gonna make you a better editor. It might make you faster if you learn how to use that stuff. yeah But you just gotta, like I told him, you wanna be at better editing?
00:17:34
Speaker
Edit films, watch movies, read books. There you go. You wanna be better? that's That's it. That's the magic formula. yeah I don't know what else to tell you. I don't know what people might sell you. like you know It's like, put on these 3D glasses and you you know you'll just you'll see the the cuts. It's like, I should say how it fucking works. Well, I'll say in defense of Alex, you know I did redesign the studio here a little bit and I got myself a standup desk and I got the, ah what do you call those?
00:18:07
Speaker
monitor arms so I can adjust the monitors. yeah So when we color grade, I can see the screen better yeah and color color grade more accurately on the color monitor. So, you know, I get Alex and I think maybe it's because we come from the photography world and photographers are always just so juiced up on the next new item. It's like, oh, I got to get this new lens or I got to get this other lens because it has 15 elements and it's going to be extra sharp and it's the color so much better. And, you know, we kind of get caught up in that.
00:18:44
Speaker
that that mindset of buying the latest tech because it's gonna improve the photographs. And that's true to an extent, especially now, um like with AI, for instance, in Photoshop. but So you know I can see where Alex is coming from, but yeah, you're right. like If you wanna be a good editor, you just have to actually edit. yeah And you have to get that flow and that groove going.
00:19:11
Speaker
And I added in there the watch movies and read books only because. You don't I don't think it's necessary like you could just power through and just recut and cut and recut and kind of just go until you have that gut feeling that intuition because I think scenes kind of start start telling you.
00:19:32
Speaker
and and i know you Listen to this guy. What does the scene tell you? and I know you have some comments on this because we did cut some pretty major scenes that I think you're still like, I don't know. and I don't have a doubt in my mind, but I have a different reason why I think we should have cut those. um and It's just that ah they're ugly enough to warrant just being out of the movie. Oh, I wouldn't say they're ugly at all.
00:19:55
Speaker
how would i But we'll get into that. um But but i did I did want to say in response please to earlier which you said about, you know, us possibly having it eight years ago. Yes, it's true in the and the extent to the extent that all the footage was there for us to piece together and put together like we have so far. However, I don't think we had the ability
00:20:27
Speaker
to do it. We didn't have the education. We didn't have the understanding or the maturity, like just developing as filmmakers. I don't think that was there. So I think the best we could have got it was what you got at that time, except it would have been tighter because we would have just gone through it over and over and tightened it up. But I don't think we ever would have come to the edit that we have now.
00:20:53
Speaker
Now, that's not to say we wouldn't be close. I think we would be close, but the major difference between your edit and what we have now is your edit was like all comedy. yes You stripped everything out and left just the funniest bits and that was great. I mean, it was great to see it strictly as a comedy.
00:21:15
Speaker
Comedy slasher where now we have this soap opera Slasher comedy, you know, and we we kept The thing i'm most proud about with this edit is that we kept a lot of the elements that we initially wanted and at least the uh The feeling we kept that we wanted in the scenes. We kept the heart of the film We brought the heart of the film back. Yeah, because there was a lot of stuff In the script that you know never made the cut or it didn't even get filmed
00:21:46
Speaker
or that, you know, now with this latest cut, we threw out, but we've always, with this latest cut, we've kept that heart. So it's like, yeah, we cut out an entire scene, scene three, which built the dynamic between Jennifer and Richard and established who Jennifer was as a character and her personality and delved into that and Richard's lust for her. Um,
00:22:16
Speaker
And yeah, we probably don't have that now, like his lust, but we have the heart of their relationship. Like they're good friends, but they're good friends because they're kind of losers, right? In a sense, and no one likes them really. yeah yeah you know If anyone likes them, it's for reasons other than who they are. So they're kind of like these misfits who have found each other.
00:22:44
Speaker
Now, I don't know if Richard's lust really lands in our new cut. It's more like his like actual love towards Jennifer is what's landing. But what's nice with this cut is that at the party scene like that, like that whole section, it's now established like, oh wait, Richard's not quite It's not quite healthy. He just wants to know where Jennifer is for him. And so it's kind of this natural progression. Yes. Where, you know, that's kind of nicer than establishing it at the start and then as a foreshadowing element, because it's this kind of like this natural progression to the end, a little a little better, you know, and maybe a little nicer and a little bit more sophisticated.
00:23:36
Speaker
And I want to add to that because you're on a, I think you're on a ah really great path here. And I just want to kind of like go down that a little bit and talk about how, what is just, and I brought this up, I think in the last podcast where I might've been a little too fucked up, but it's just the economics and the value of telling the story yeah in a time. Like the reason why you can cut scene three is because We essentially redid it in scene five. Yeah. In a much sweeter and tighter way. Yes. and like The reason why i'm like I'm fine cutting what we've cut like for scene six is we are so we're not losing the main focus of the story, no which is Jennifer. In fact, we're getting back to her faster.
00:24:32
Speaker
We're getting on with her story in a more timely manner. Yeah, because scene three, we kind of did lose it, right? Because it's just so much dialogue, unnecessary dialogue at that.
00:24:43
Speaker
who Which, I mean, the thing is, is like, cause I was thinking about it cause I was watching that ah opening, which has scene three in it. And I was like, fuck, I really love this little conversation that they have. In scene three? Yeah. Like, yeah, we didn't shoot it very great. No, we did not. um But like I, the writing, I love the writing there. And I, it's so weird. Like the jokes are weird. It's so us. Like when you read, when you listen to it, it's not Jennifer and Richard. It's like me and you talking. booby attacks, yeah shooting milk. Yeah, shooting milk, you know, like, ah what is her only powers be bound up or something? And it's like... In regards to Wonder Woman. But that scene is like, and I was thinking about it because I i was i was kind of going through my head like, I wonder if there was like, almost like, A mini a series of episodes here. because like if you had like the sun like every if you because we If we really did like a full. Assembly cut we'd be at three hours. No yeah we'd be at like two. Two thirty maybe three hours we're gonna be over two and a half.
00:25:55
Speaker
What are you including, the slates? No, I'm talking, we didn't add scene three. We don't have her running up into the houses and confronting yeah that scene six, all the dialogue that we put out in scene six. Scene six is 30 minutes, if you put everything in. Well, now it's 20. Yeah.
00:26:15
Speaker
It's 18 because we cut that stuff. And it's 18 straight minutes of dialogue. But if you add everything in, right like right like r is a dying like photograph ah photography dying art form which is with our pictures, if you add all of that back in, it's 30 minutes.
00:26:30
Speaker
yeah and you know and then you gotta add in all the party scenes that we cut. We cut the party down a lot, there's a lot more with Kevin doing the cheering, he has that monologue like this is how we this is where we're gonna die tonight, yeah you know we all die tonight so let's fucking live it up. We're all gonna die so let's go to hell together or something. yeah and Richard's in that scene and like there's scenes with uh with Lexi and Kevin that yeah never in there we that actually makes no sense within what we shot right because we added that on last minute right they wanted it that but and we wrote it we wrote it we wrote it wrote it but it was a last minute edition they wanted it they asked hey you know we think that uh Lexi and and Kevin should have their own scene and so we were like
00:27:22
Speaker
No. And then the actors were like, please. And so we wrote something and we gave it to them and we filmed it. And it makes no sense because it's like because it's not their story. It's just the actors being greedy and wanting. I mean, not being greedy. It's just they this is one thing. And I think maybe this was something I didn't recognize. I definitely didn't recognize at the time. And Rob, it took me a long time to recognize this, that people liked playing their characters. You think so? And that's why, dude,
00:27:52
Speaker
Cause I saw that, I saw the light in their eyes dim. Well, it did. Once we hit record, it did. It took a little longer, but you know, like they really, I think the actors really got into it. And I think... Well, they stuck around,
Actors' Contributions and Script Differences
00:28:05
Speaker
so... They stuck around, you know, like as much as we kind of talk about how we joke around about, you know, like, you know, the phoning, no one phoned it in, in a sense, but also like,
00:28:17
Speaker
they liked playing their characters. They came every weekend to come and be these people and play as them. And the thing is is like... That's one of our strongest elements is our cast. The best sign and this is what I mean, I was kind of always like a little salty about about this and I still am and it's something I probably would ah be a little stricter on in the future. But it was the actors trying to change the motivations of their characters because data they liked their character so much, they didn't want him to be the bad guy. They didn't want them to be this person type of thing and it was like, I don't know maybe i don't know what that is. That's a very optimistic way of looking at why they wanted different motivations. There we go. Can we just stick with the optimism? But that's you know that's what ah I was kind of just thinking about it and then it was, it's like this with this cut,
00:29:13
Speaker
We managed to bring it all back. We had enough to still bring it all back. and That we didn't even realize, right? We didn't realize. and it That was the thing, and I know you were talking about like we needed this time to to like to learn and grow, and we did. um and It's very important because the film as it exists now is different in the sense that it's the best of what we got.
00:29:41
Speaker
um i i know people always I think about this a lot where it's like screenplays are interesting because they're essentially useless as soon as you start filming. It's like there's a point of a script until you film the scene and then it's what you got on screen. because it they're I don't know how those directors that are like, no, we shot the script exactly how it is.
00:30:11
Speaker
How? You know, like when we are editing and it's like, and I feel like maybe this is where I know you're going to have some pushback where it's like.
00:30:24
Speaker
every You can microanalyze down to every little look, glance, mouth movement, tick, everything. You can use that in editing to change how a character feels. But I worry that sometimes it's like it's too micro adjustment. But then I'm thinking like all the micro adjustments build into like a macro emotion.
00:30:52
Speaker
But at the same time, I'm like, damn, dude, like, are you just are we just being pretentious when it's like that eyebrow raise indicates this? So when we cut to this and she has that reaction, it's because she's noticing or not noticing or he's not noticing. No, not at all. I think that's what you have to go for, right? As an editor, like, you got to find that little extra Reaction from the actor even if it's not in continuity with what's been recorded, you know to just kind of bring out more nuance not nuance but but to establish that nuance and And kind of maybe even push the narrative um Through showing and not telling you know as the edit can do with just like a glance and
00:31:43
Speaker
That means something. But I did want to mention something because I just thought of it right now. You had mentioned that you saw the, your first edit a few times and kind of reflecting on that. Before we, well, at some point, maybe before picture lock, I went ahead and read the script again.
00:32:05
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And I hadn't read it since we shot it. And it was it was kind of interesting. Like I took notes, but I don't think I need to go over them anymore. But I took all these notes and and and highlighted stuff essentially. And man, that script is so different than what we have now. And it was interesting because Well, at some points I was thinking I was imagining like Freeman and Marianne and Max and them like doing their characters and acting out the shot and like hearing their voices as they delivered it.
00:32:45
Speaker
But the still, there was me still going back to where before we cast it and imagining who Jennifer was, you know, in that character. and And she comes off so different than what we got. She's like a high school kid, honestly. It feels like these are just a bunch of high school kids more than college kids.
00:33:06
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and And that was kind of interesting to see that naivetivity to the characters where what we got, I mean, it's just a completely, it's different in that, I don't know, innocence kind of sense, you know. So it was just interesting to go back to that.
00:33:26
Speaker
But then even reading the script, I was like, damn, this should get cut. Like cut cut this part out, man. We don't need this. Yeah. and You know, I haven't read the script in a while. It's been a bit, but. I mean, I remember the script. I remember the script pretty well, and I always remember thinking.
00:33:47
Speaker
It's so there are such there's such overly dramatic scenes sometimes. and Oh, yeah. But also what I i just remember is.
00:34:01
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The characters are so different, like the actors are so different than like the only one that really comes close is kind of like Michael Barrett as Lester. Yeah. um Because even like Chris as Kevin is probably a close second. Yeah.
00:34:18
Speaker
But Marianne's Jennifer is, like i don' I like Marianne and I like Marianne's Jennifer, but it's not what I thought. yeah it's on It's not even close. To what you had imagined i originally. what it i Part of it was like we really connected with Marianne like immediately like I remember when we're talking about Dragon Ball Z and and like we were just like like just throwing the shit we were talking about the story and what we could do and like how we could work with Marianne because we just really liked her because at first we were like yeah you're not Marianne you're not Jennifer it was like a gut instinct right away.
00:34:55
Speaker
And like, but her so talent kind of just shined to the point where it became undeniable because I remember we were there were literal discussions of changing the entire story and making her her Richard, Richard, essentially. Yeah. And then her having as like she would be like Richard and then lusting after the hot guy.
00:35:19
Speaker
Essentially and and then she wouldn't be no spoilers for the I don't even know if we should be doing spoilers now because we're close to like. Yeah I guess doing release things are we should be talking to we should be just doing saying the whole film anymore. Sure I guess not I mean I don't know but.
00:35:38
Speaker
Yeah, but there were serious talks just like we're working with you. Right, like from our talks. It was like it was like when we were with working with Adam and Pat and John. It's like, no, we're working with you. It's this is the easiest pick in the world. Like Marianne was the easiest pick in the world. Yeah, she's amazing. um And it was just like, we're working with her. Like whatever we have, to wherever we if we, even if we're like, it was like with with the cast that we love, we brought them back to be the garage, right? and But yeah, if you go back and look at the scripts and you think about Jennifer and Richard, i mean and then just like how much of our own personal
00:36:27
Speaker
personality in our personal you know life and experience, we kind of shoved into the representation of these characters. You're like, oh yeah, it's so it could have have been so different. Sometimes I think we could redo the movie. You would not even know that it's the same script. like That's how different I think it could be. like we'd like The words would be the same, but like Like if you have a different, I mean, I guess you could do that with any movie, but yes yeah, it's pretty stupid. It's like almost like saying like, what's a grown up stroller? It's like a wheelchair, you know? like It doesn't make any sense because yeah, it would be a different movie, of course it would.
00:37:10
Speaker
But let me direct a two thousand one. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Steve is going to be how nine thousand and, you know, ah in are you know, Grace is probably going to be Dave. ah but Yeah. will be dave You know, the monolith will be a cardboard box that we spray painted black.
00:37:30
Speaker
You know, they ride tricycles on the moon because they can't afford spaceships. I don't know. I always pictured Marianne as like that tomboyish girl that is starting to feminize marianne as she develops. That's how you pictured Marianne? No, Jennifer, sorry. It's hated you. ah A little bit, yeah. Yeah, me too. um But yeah, Jennifer. That's how I pictured Jennifer. It's like because that's why I caught that i thought the college um was kind of important because I always thought of Jennifer as, and Marion doesn't, I think we kind of recaptured this with her performance and the edit. And the thing was ah we wanted Jennifer's character to be like kind of almost like sexually aggressive because we thought it was important because too often the main girl in these films is like,
00:38:24
Speaker
You know, they're the Sydney and they're you know, the virgin virgin the saintly virgin, you know, I'm the good girl I can't be killed like I'm the good girl, but like we want no, it's like no Jennifer She she get laid tonight like yeah ain't no problem Jennifer's gonna you know, she got a drink and party. She we wrote like the female version of us To be like just try to be like, you know honest and think like I mean maybe it's Well no i mean jennifer has a reason for why she does what she does we're just perverts but i mean dude how many master baking scenes are in the movie i know right what the film's all about the film is literally about sex i will say one thing
00:39:12
Speaker
One element that I did picture for Jennifer because I try to, when we were doing the script, I try to not visualize anyone or get attached to a look. Me too. Per se, because it's like... That's dangerous. We're just gonna cast and we gotta try to get the best person we can. Let's not commit ourselves yeah to any sort of person.
00:39:33
Speaker
It's who it is, whoever it is, who was ever number one. And I mean, we, we auditioned so many different people, right? Hundreds. Hundreds. I mean, everyone who, anyone who wanted to is like, yeah, come on. Unless like, they were really bad. They was like, fuck off, man. But even then we gave some pretty bad people a chance. Well, we gave just about everyone a chance, but.
00:39:57
Speaker
yeah It's literally almost like a movie and when you kind of think about how scrappy we did all of this. Oh yeah. That's why we did a documentary alongside it. I mean, like, when you think like, dude, we were just doing auditions in the room behind us. We'd auditions at the college. We did auditions in l LA. We saw tapes and callbacks and all this stuff. And we really were like, we're doing this. Like people actually do this, but we have no idea how we're doing it. I mean, we didn't even know what sides were. yeah We didn't know what sides where we didn't, you know, we're building sets and we're like, we don't know what the fuck we're doing. We're just doing it with our friend's garage and he's just like, you know, like everyone's just pitching in on their weekends and I'm like, how the fuck did we do it? Like when you think about it, it's fucking insane that we did this. Like- Well, looking at it this way too, no one likes us anymore. So maybe they're like, fuck those guys, man. Look what they make us do. Let's see what happens when dickhead premieres at Sunday. You know, let's see who he wants to be friends again.
00:41:01
Speaker
But I will say- I'm kidding. Fuck you guys. It's just me and Steven. We just dug it out. We just dug it out. Yeah, you kind of just- You just judged us. But Jennifer, one element that I think I did kind of, ah really, it got in my head for the way she would look, what a brunette. Yes. I always pictured Jennifer. I don't know why, but it was like, she's got to be brunette.
00:41:31
Speaker
Not to say that was a factor for auditioning anyone. No, it wasn't. But just the way I visualized her, I visualized her as Burnett. That's it. Yeah. And I think Richard had as a good look for Freeman. Freeman? Freeman has a good look for Richard. Oh, dude. Freeman's like a supermodel compared to how Richard but would be, right? But Richard was supposed to be more like us. Oh, God. Right? But the problem is people that look like us don't can't act. People who look like us don't want to be in front of the camera. And so that's where, like, the the worst part about Freeman is he's just too goddamn charming.
00:42:09
Speaker
too charming and too good looking. It's like, why would you hate this guy? Honestly, right? And that made it so much harder because it's like, we have to sell that. Everyone hates this dude. But it's like, how the fuck? You can't hate Freeman. But it's also kind of working for us because the audience is like, why are people so mean to this guy? And then we got you. And then it's only revealed. And then we got you. Maybe that's smart.
00:42:36
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Hey, well, you know, I will say, i you know, quite possibly the strongest aspect of this film, like the strongest thing we ever had with this, I think is our cast. You know, I think they just, we're so above and beyond.
00:42:53
Speaker
We got yeah, we you know Like they really it's arrogant and maybe it's the ah half the bottle of Irish whiskey. I've been we've been pounding. I've been drinking it like water over here ah and I think maybe This could be egotism megalomania megalomania could be a little bit of narcissism uh-huh, but uh
00:43:22
Speaker
We did all that man. like and the thing was is like None of these casting choices were easy. well You gotta give credit to Marianne. Marianne brought us a lot of good talent, yeah but none of these casting choices were easy and there was a lot of competition.
00:43:43
Speaker
like i remember The thing that's so funny that I think about, because I'm still i'm still friends with this guy on on ah social media, is that guy that was going to play toasty, but he backed out because his name is- No, that was Kevin. That was going to be originally Kevin? oh He was gonna be Kevin and then we moved him to Toasty after Chris. Yeah. But he was originally, he auditioned for Kevin, I think. Yeah. And then we were, and then we, we had offered him the role of Toasty and he kind of, he agreed. And then his agent or something read the script or his mom, I don't know. Somebody read the script and then, uh... No, I don't think they read the script because we hadn't given to it. I think it was just like, you're doing a movie where they, they don't pay you shit or give you gas, buddy? No, dude, don't do that.
00:44:30
Speaker
So yeah, whatever. Either way, this guy backed out. yeah And that's how we ended up with Luca as Toasty, which yeah yeah we lucked into a lot of stuff. We did. we like We lucked out with Luca because I love Luca.
00:44:45
Speaker
Yeah. The only bad thing about Luca is we just didn't have a vlogger because it was like, dude. Could you imagine if we had the other toasty scenes? Yeah. God, I'd only like to think about it. like But look Luca, the whole movie, you know how different the movie would be if we just had that scene? Yeah. The Lexi and toasty scene at outside the school. Yeah. Like when you read the script again, you go through and you read that and you're like,
00:45:14
Speaker
God damn it. God fucking damn it. We didn't fucking even shoot it. oh We didn't even have it to cut. It didn't exist except for the script. and it's like it That scene does so much.
00:45:30
Speaker
That's what I love, and that's why I like this edit so much. We do so much with so little. We ask a lot of the audience oh yeah by doing it this way, but I would rather ask a lot of the audience than lose the audience by going too far. And what I mean by that is like,
00:45:50
Speaker
we know there are issues with things. Every scene probably has its issues that we're living with, that it's just like, and I can no go through it, I can name them, and the one that will be our grave, and I hope to God, and it's so early in the film, and I hope it's not like what the guys on dance just clicked the movie off, and it's like, God damn job scare with Kevin.
00:46:15
Speaker
with Richard. Oh, that jump scare. And it comes in at like probably like the seven or eight minute mark or maybe even nine minute mark. And it's like it's so weird. We got it as best as we can. So bad. It's we we do not know how to do a good jump scare. No, we don't. And this is the scene is so right. I mean, but God, we're we're begging the audience, please accept it as part of the chart.
00:46:43
Speaker
Yeah, and but the thing is it's like we get through that fast. And then we get into a great scene. Yeah. Because that little exchange, like part of me always wished that we could cut scene five. Look, let's say just keep that opening that little. Put it put it this way. um Well, we we actually could.
00:47:08
Speaker
Because it's just her and Richard walking to school and then she could be walking home.
00:47:15
Speaker
I mean, but I like scene five now. I love scene five. It has to be there. I forgot what I was going to say. We cut. I don't want to see. My thing is like I'm fine cutting everything but Jennifer and Richard. No, that's the whole movie, dude. We would literally lose a movie at that point. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why I mean. I i mean i the thing is, is like I really like.
00:47:42
Speaker
I don't like that Lexi interaction. That's why I was kind of pushing to cut it it's because I really hate it. Oh, I like it. I know you do, but it's so it's it's so unnecessary, I feel like. um But it means that we lose Bo because I was really kind of like I didn't I felt like if we could still make Bo work, you can't. But we can't do it with that that scene where everyone leaves.
00:48:10
Speaker
We have to have everyone leave, right? How do you just... It's too weird. With the way we made this film, you can't. It would never work.
00:48:22
Speaker
And I love that. that's my that was That's been one of my favorite scenes for a long time. Bo. Well, yeah, that was like one of the few scenes where it was like, okay, this was actually well done. And we did it right. like Holy shit, this is what we did. like Some of the shots could have been more varied and a little better done, but of course, that was our longest day of the entire shoot. Yeah. And it was it was like it was literally nighttime and we started at like 10. No, we started at like eight.
00:48:51
Speaker
Shooting? Yeah. so Call time, I have think, was like 6 a.m. Okay. Well, then we were ready at around like 8, 9 p.m. I think we that day was literally like 23, 24 hours. Yeah, for me, it was... Well, no longer. For me, we were working and shooting, like, our, you know, onset setting up and everything, like 20, 23 hours. Yeah. Because also we had a cleanup since it was at a location we had to clean up. Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
um I remember yeah we saw the sun come up, we saw the sun go down, and we saw the sun come up again. Oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say. You know, with this film, we definitely remind the audience, uh, the background in the financing, you know? who But that's ah my biggest, but you know, I think that's my biggest issue of the issues we we can't fix. but i But I think we sold it in the story, the editing and the,
00:49:54
Speaker
the writing for or just maybe not even the writing rather, but the characters. You know, because you if you like this film, it's because you like the characters for better or worse. And that's that that's our biggest goal. Yeah.
Podcast as a Journal and Festival Plans
00:50:09
Speaker
That's what because, you know, and you're you're just hanging out with the characters and going through this day with them. Literally, it's like a 24 hour day that you're yeah hanging out with these characters and.
00:50:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. i mean that that's That's what we got right and that's what we're capturing, I guess. Yeah. That's gotta be the focus, right? I just thought, realize that now. Yeah. You know, that's one thing I really miss about doing the podcast. I was thinking about it while I was writing the show notes at work. I was thinking, you know. The show notes we haven't done in a year. Yeah. I was thinking, you know, the the the ah the thing about the podcast is,
00:50:50
Speaker
You know, it's not for the audience, like, in any way. It's such a selfish... thing where it's like I've the reason i I've brought this up I think before ah but the reason I love podcasts the most is it's like scheduled playtime. It's literally just us being able to talk. Like if we didn't even post this and it was just like a recorded journal or something. Well, I mean, that's really what it's more like just journal entries. And the thing but the thing is like
00:51:21
Speaker
We've capitalized on that by being able to bring in people and and do the interviews. And also, I think, and I hope, I mean, I don't think any rational human being is gonna like sit through this unless they like really care about us. Like Karen, thank you.
00:51:40
Speaker
you know We appreciate you making it. I mean, we've been talking we haven't got to the second or the third bullet point and we're it's like 45 minutes in. We appreciate you. you know like i How many people actually make it to the end? like Maybe when we start like actually like making films and people want to like follow our example, because I'm trying to keep this... like you know i don't ah You know me, I'm i'm as about i'm about as a ah secular as they come. you know like i don't believe and you know i I don't believe in God or a high power. and I believe the universe is chaos. I believe in chaos, man, because the he the is a big bang man the curse of humanity is ah is trying to find the order and and in what is essentially chaos, right? Probability is chaos.
00:52:29
Speaker
You know, nothing is ever actually 100%. Nothing is actually ever 0% except for my chances of having a damn boss.
00:52:46
Speaker
I'll be here all night. um Literally, probably. Which, yeah, dude, it feels so good. It feels so good to be chatting with you, buddy. I love you, man. Yeah, man. I love you too. Happy birthday, buddy. Yeah. Fuck, dude. I fucking... You know, man, no homo, but I love you, man.
00:53:07
Speaker
um But to get back to talking about, like, kind of like... Talking about us. Us and... and
00:53:18
Speaker
you know, the value of the film and you know, we were talking about how we're I think 10 days away from submit doing our first submissions. yeah Which is like, oh shit.
00:53:31
Speaker
um And so we're gonna do some ah some some submissions to you know some minor known festivals, South by Southwest and Sundance. We're gonna do our first submissions with our best temp track yeah while ah everyone else is building the rest of the film. And then that puts us on a strict di deadline.
00:53:55
Speaker
Oh, yes, it does. Because we have to be finished by the time those things... Or it doesn't get in. Yeah. And that's like, well, we're selling stuff. ah Yeah. We're gonna pay people to get this shit done as fast as possible. so we Because like there's stuff that we literally haven't done yet that is like, oops. Like, one thing I wanted to bring up that we... I meant to bring it up before it too fucked up, but we still got... We got to figure out that goddamn cop dialogue.
00:54:25
Speaker
oh I'm not worried about that. Yeah, I'm just saying dude. It's something that has to be done Well, it's on the list of things and it's like it has to be done for them to fix the art Like at least by the time that audio is ready for it. Okay. Well with that said, okay, we can just get like actual free to use Police, you know talking over the radio cuz that's kind of how I'm I imagine it like real grounded in that way Yeah, like it's really the cops showing up and blasting this fucker Yeah, like that's a little it's like ah it that Silly but it's also like are like fuck you to the police. Fuck you, right? fucking peaks Yeah, like even though whatever Happens to whoever and the end of the film No, thank you
00:55:17
Speaker
It's like, it's like, fuck you, cops. Fuck cops, you know? Like, goddamn. You know, I told you, I told you earlier, I had, I had, I wrote Steven a pitch and it was like fucking goddamn magnificent pitch if I do say so myself. Um, but I said I had two pitches and I was like, you know what, maybe I'll save the second pitch.
00:55:44
Speaker
And talking about fucking pigs, you know, brings up the second pitch. It's about fucking... Yeah, dude. It's called Pork Boy and Steve. Okay. This is pork. The title of the film is Pork Boy and Steve. Yeah. It's about two corrupt detectives in a small town, because why? Small towns are ah affordable. yeah I wish I could do it in LA, but they dress exactly like 70s cops, but it's the modern day.
00:56:16
Speaker
um like you wear a teal suit, I wear a brown suit, I'm pork boy and you're Steve and we're corrupt cops and we're such a, and but we always were incredibly lucky. We're so inept, we're a super, we're so inept that we're lucky. yeah And we're like on the take with the mob, right? And so the mob essentially hires us to kill our captain and the captain's like depressed and his wife left him and like his dog and it and we're having this conversation because we're trying to figure out like, you know, we fucked up our last three jobs, see Steve, you know, we fucked them up. We got to figure it out. We got to do it right. And then you go, oh, yeah, you know, Cappy's been depressed, you know, his wife left him, you know, he found out his daughter's a tramp.
00:57:09
Speaker
You know, all this shit and it's like like, you know, evil cops talk because we're like bad cops. Yeah. Oh, so we're definitely bad guys. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's like a dark comedy. Yeah. Because we're not really heroes. We're but we' scumbags. Like these are scum of the scumbags because they're cops. And scumbags. Scummy cops, which, you know, all cops.
00:57:31
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yeah
00:57:34
Speaker
You know? It's very self-explanatory. Yeah. ah And so we're walking to like kill the captain, right? Because captain has been causing problems. He wants to crack down Rico Case, you know, on the fucking mob. He's cracking down on Rico. We've got to get out of the way. They also want us to go on a suicide mission. So the movie is essentially a series of suicide missions that these guys like bumble through. Okay. Because, but they're like the bad guy.
00:58:03
Speaker
Yeah, and it's like there's like a good that all the cops are like all the other cops are like we gotta stop these two but like yeah They just don't die But like we never really we never get caught there. Oh, that's pretty cool, dude and uh It was a dream I had, dude. I saw it clear as day, like, there were people like... So the captain would be like, pork boy, what happened to that case of crack? So, wait, hold on, you need to let me finish. I gotta get to the punch line. So we decide, you know, we're gonna go and kill the captain, right? And we're gonna make it look like suicide because he's been depressed, all this shit. And then we're like, we're walking down the hallway to go do it. And you're like, I don't know, man, this is too crazy. Like, we should do it. And all we hear is, boom.
00:58:48
Speaker
And the captain kills himself. And we walk in and we're like... We just high five and we're like, woo, and the people walk in and it's like, oh, okay, okay, okay. You know, we're like crying, and fake crying. yeah And then we just walk out and we get chucked shit-faced because like we just made a big payday because we didn't even have to like do anything. We didn't have to commit a crime, like right? He killed himself. yeah And the mob guy goes, you know, the job was, you're supposed to kill the guy. like He wasn't, he was suicide doesn't count. We don't pay you. and it's like
00:59:21
Speaker
What the fuck? like You know what? Fuck you, dude. like You piece of shit. like You know what? You don't fuck with us, man. We're the police.
00:59:31
Speaker
We're the fucking cops. and so the guy' like Oh, yeah, and like his goons are like way bigger than us. And we're like, oh, yeah, I know. Yeah. ah And they're like, we want you to do something for us. You know, it's like, OK, well, what is it? There's a witness hiding in this place. Like we need you to kill him. It's like, man, we don't want to kill people. You know, can we just like look the other way and get paid? And he's like, no, you got to go fuck it. Whack this guy. Right. And
01:00:06
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We go to do it, but we fuck it up. And the guy doesn't die. And like the the so the mob starts trying to kill us. And we're like, you know what? Fuck these assholes. And it's like, we got to go kill the mob.
01:00:21
Speaker
but we can't even do that, right? like yeah our fuck it up like we It's like we're stormtroopers. We shoot out of the bullets, miss. It's like, dude, this is looking hard. Maybe we should have paid attention in training. like Maybe we should have like actually been good people, but because we're not, you know we can't get done. we we get So eventually we just leave. And this is all a short film.
01:00:46
Speaker
No, dude. Oh, okay. This is a fucking feature film. Okay, okay. This is a feature film. And the whole time, we're dressed exactly like we're from the 70s. Yeah. But it's like 2024. Yeah. And everyone is like so weirded out by us and they think we're like a gay couple, but we're like, no, I don't, I'm fucking women, you know? Like the girls.
01:01:07
Speaker
Yeah, and like, ah so we just leave, right? And the mob's like, ah okay. You guys know what? And then, you know, like, I guess that's where the movie ends. It's just like, you know, pigs gone bags, get away with it. We're just on the beach drinking our mai tais. Yeah, we don't even get paid for being lucky. So that's the other one. I think the first one might be better.
01:01:35
Speaker
Let's tell everyone what your first one is, or do you not want to? Oh, I should read it. Let me not pressure you. I could read it. You are out very much a police officer vibe. Yeah, it was just dreams I was having because of these goddamn pigs. All right, this is second pitch. Blood on the asphalt.
01:01:57
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A corrupt highway patrol officer, also known as a highway patrol officer, is cornered and murdered by a group of locals on Route 66. Years later, a freak chemical spill resurrects the corpse and he murders his way down Route 66, getting his revenge on the town that killed him. Little Friday the 13th, I mean, Little Nightmare on Elm Street, Little Hitchhiker, Little ah Road Trip.
01:02:26
Speaker
Well, a group of hitchhiking sisters, I was thinking about maybe changing this to lesbians, huh? ah
01:02:36
Speaker
You know? Yeah. But sisters, it kind of works still. Yeah. And you know, I was thinking about this and it's like, I prefer to write actresses or female roles because it's just i it just where I like to see more in a sense.
01:02:55
Speaker
You know, I always thought about this, like when I would play WoW, I'd always play female characters am my and my friends would be like, you're such a girl, you play girl characters. I'm like, you want to look at guy character all day? Like, ah you know, Mass Effect, I always played female Shepard. You know, if I can always, if I can play a girl, dude, it's like, I'd rather just watch the girl, you know? No, I get it. I always do the same. Oh, what was I saying? My pitch.
01:03:22
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Years later, a free chemical spill resurrects the corpse and he murders his way down Route 66, getting his revenge on a town that killed him while a group of hitchhiking sisters try to stop the zombie killer. It's a road trip meets Halloween. Sure, you've seen it before, but have you seen it with the demonically possessed police car that parts poison exhaust? That would be cool.
01:03:47
Speaker
Snickers bar through an obese child's eye, penetrating his skull and squirting blood out of his brain. I don't think you've seen that. Yep. What do you think, buddy? That could be a good short. I think it would be great for the anthology. I think that would be a fun one. Is Bubolowski supposed to be in the anthology? It could be. It's such a cool little but short. You know, I always think about that one as like,
01:04:19
Speaker
I love that character so much. he's fun There is no character we've written that I like more than Bubba Lasky. It's not even close. like I've always thought like, no, ah that short ain't done because it's not long enough.
01:04:34
Speaker
It's like but the thing is that short is so cool. It's such a weird Stuart Gordon Lovecraft throwback in a weird way like But like we threw it against the wall against like a noir. Yeah And it's so cool If we pull it off, it is so cool. Like we got to get some badass body melting like oh Yeah, we got to meet some people Fuck I'm drunk But you know, for the anthology film, cause I was thinking like, yeah, let's talk about that. At least in the meantime, while we're marketing Dickhead and maybe doing the festival run.
01:05:14
Speaker
We can start to really get the anthology going that way in case people are like, hey, you know, that dickhead movie, what if I give you some money, man? You want some money? I'm like, yes, we want money. Yes, we make you a really good film. But we could use the anthology to be like, yeah, we're already working on our next project, you know, to show that seriousness and commitment. Yeah. And then I was thinking we could kind of use some of the shorts that are already shot.
01:05:39
Speaker
So we just have some to put on the table, like a jog at night. And then Sean, if we get him, he could do his Western sci-fi. And then we can shoot from there, whoever else we want on, like new shorts for them.
01:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, cuz one thing that way we get it out faster cuz it'd be cool like for you to do the cop one and Then you know cuz it's all about us. Let's be real, man ah But we're the real riders But Bubblowski could be like the the last one or or it maybe the first one. I don't know. Maybe the middle Well, we got to shoot them. The thing is that I think the order would kind of go on and But we felt like we don't want to go. What do you think? Do you go with the best first or the worst first to the best? This is my order. Second best is to start. Um, third best is the middle. And then first, the number one, the best is the end.
01:06:37
Speaker
okay Because you, and I'll exclamation mark, but you got to get the audience, a tap like right? And then with the middle one, like as they kind of like dip, you kind of have to bring them back so that, you know, the other two, the ones in the middle, they can ah shine in their own way. You space it out correctly. So it's nice and smooth.
01:07:04
Speaker
Yeah, dude. You know, we could base them all in Big Bear to kind of go with a jog at night. No, because Bublowski's a desert man. But he ends up, yeah the lab could end up. Well, I picture your your cop movie, you know where the crooked cow is or whatever it's called, Cross-eyed cow pizza? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just had that for the first time. It's not that good.
01:07:26
Speaker
i Liked it a lot. Really? Yeah when I had it it wasn't too good, but it's a cool little spot Anyways, I was thinking we could shoot like in that area. Yeah, oral grand Yeah, oral grand and then have like a biker cop. I picture a biker cop with the helmet and everything Yeah, come back from the dead and then at some point he gets in his cop car and it farts and So my thing was like, yeah, like he just kills people as he's like trying to get back to the town. Yeah. And one of them is like, he revs his engine or he revs the bike. Well, you said hitchhiker. So does he like stalk the girls like the movie? Yeah. So, so they're like the first ones to encounter him. Yes, but then they start stalking him, trying to stop him, but they just come across the carnage. So my okay my thought was like... Interesting. My thought for that would be like, we would see we would see him murder them and it would be real quick. Like we wouldn't linger on it too long. He murders his sisters? No, we see them murder like the first people like that. Yeah, we see the cop like murder his way down there. um Down the the way and ah and then it's like it just cuts to like the girls like hitchhiking and then like the car pulls over that they're in or the truck pulls over or whatever we can afford pulls over and like the girls get out and then it's just like
01:08:53
Speaker
yeah right like the Like the dead kid with the candy bar sticking out of his head. The car where like it's like there's we just fill it with green smog, ah green fog so and it's like, what?
01:09:07
Speaker
the fart, right? Oh, dude, that'd be cool to have like an old vintage cop car. Yeah, that's what I want. ask Like, like one you know but I'm like, damn, that might be expensive. Like, that's gonna be the yeah most expensive part of this short. But that would look real cool. Dude, it's the production of that. Like, that's what I want. I want the oldest highway patrol car, like, or old school black and white that we can get. Yeah, that'd be cool.
01:09:31
Speaker
Yeah. So there stay tuned. Dickhead anthology. Well, buddy, let's ah move on. Yeah. Um, okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Back in the world of film. Oh, we're getting back into things. Let's ah talk about that a little bit. What have you been watching recently? Have you been to the movies this year? What have you seen?
01:10:00
Speaker
Yeah, I went to the movies to see A Quiet Place with Karen. Oh, how was that? I liked it. I think it's the best of the series. Really? Honestly, yeah. For what A Quiet Place is. I haven't seen... It's just kind of like... I've only seen the first one. it like You get in and you get out. And there's not a lot of exposition like the others. And it's like, yeah, you don't need the exposition. That's not A Quiet Place. You don't need to know why the aliens are coming to the planet Earth and what they're up to.
01:10:29
Speaker
just Okay, they can hear shit and if you poop too loud, they're gonna kill you. That's the coolest. You know? The best part about having a ah film like that is it's a film that's all premise without like any plot. It's like this cool thing happens and they try to sneak around quietly and then this it's like a gigantic Uh, what's it called? Uh, Ruth Goldberg. It's like a, it's like a giant Ruth Goldberg of a film. Like, what the hell does that mean?
01:11:04
Speaker
Right? It's like you set up the the domino to fall and then it triggers this, that triggers this because of this. And it's like they enter a room. It's a warehouse. They run down the the railing. There's a loose screw at the top. Zoom in on screw, dangling above the edge. Guy notices screw dangling from the edge. Stop.
01:11:28
Speaker
Oh, oh, I said stop. Oh, shit. We're so fucked right now. Giant fucking monster runs into the room. Oh, we're fucking dead. You know, that's what he's thinking. Like he's sweating, you know, he's pissing his pants like the pee's running out his leg and the monster like slams into the wall and the screw falls and it bounces and then the monster chases the screw. Yeah. And they're standing there like, oh, we made it. right? That's what they're thinking like, oh, you know, and then like, the guy's peeing, dribbles down his leg, you know, splashing, drip, drip, drip, and then boom, like, before you even notice and like a cut faster than spinning light, like, just is gone.
01:12:16
Speaker
And like the main character, like the girl, like the like the youth, perfect, innocent, beautiful girl that's deaf, she's bitch, shit, you fucking pissed yourself, you're signing it. you know it's like She just like let's just like watches while the monster eats the dude and then he ah he the monster leaves and she just walks away and then it cuts away and then, you know, that's how those movies could be. It's Ruth Goldberg. Okay. Yeah, got it. So it's that it's that kind of movie. Perfectly. But that was you'd watch that one, right?
01:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, definitely, man. Any movie you direct, I'll watch. The screw? Yeah, I want to see it. Peeling? Yeah, I want to see it. Yeah. But, you know, going into what you're going to talk about, I kind of have been leaning into a similar sentiment where I've been watching, trying to watch more newer films.
01:13:27
Speaker
But man, it's been getting, it's been getting rough. I've not been, I've been, uh, it's, it's kind of getting to the point, I don't know. Maybe it's because of where we're at in life, you know, and the free time to watch a movie and all of that.
01:13:44
Speaker
So it's like, man, I've just been so underwhelmed with so many of the recent movies. You know, and I've been watching, I try to watch them all the time because it's like, yeah well let's see what's new out. Yeah, it's the thing is, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but I have to get this point out before I lose it.
01:14:06
Speaker
there was There's value in being relevant and knowing what is coming out and like kind of like seeing what audiences like and what you like and to kind of like be like, oh, okay.
01:14:25
Speaker
What's coming out is nothing like what i'm making which is good Well, but not but not only that what I want to say and and then i'll let you talk. Sorry. Uh, hold on. Let me just say the last little bit up And what I want to say about that too is Um It's there's like a I have like this hopefulness that something might surprise me because ah especially when it comes to film, it's easy for me to want to be optimistic. And I'm like, you got me with the nostalgia. You're pulling me back. If it's good at all,
01:15:17
Speaker
I'll just be so thrilled. Yeah. Because, I mean, damn, there are just movies that have just ripped my fucking heart out that have been coming out recently. Well, I'll say, you know, they want to bring a Wesley Snipes in now as Blade for the MCU.
01:15:37
Speaker
i don't I haven't seen it, the Deadpool. Me either, but I love Wesley Snipes as Blade. I love Wesley Snipes. Yeah, me too. You know, it's like, fuck, that's how you hook me. I watched that weird Alien movie that he had that came out recently where he's hunting an alien and I was like, Jesus Christ, Wes, why? But you know, that's how they kind of hook you too, right? Because they'll ahll hit something that you love. like ah Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. I love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. I really loved Logan. That was so fucking good, especially if you watched X-Men, all of that franchise for the start, right? And it was so heavily based on Wolverine, yeah right? like
01:16:16
Speaker
it real Like they realize they're like, who doesn't love Wolverine? I mean, he's even an X-Men first class, right? That character defies like anything we've ever experienced before in like film media. Yeah. Because other than maybe James Bond, like what character has been in like, he's in like Hugh Jackman is like Wolverine like 19 times or something. He is Wolverine, right? Like it is he has been Wolverine. I know it's 24 years. He's been with Wolverine. Is that when x-men came out 2000? Yeah, so 24 years I've Yeah, he's been Wolverine for 24 years. See those are the comic book movies. I there's two that's longer than any James Bond character I mean, there's probably some like dr. Who guy that was like dr. Who for longer or some ship. It's like I Wolverine gotta be jacked, yo. For 24 years that motherfucker has, you know, presented. Have you seen the photos though when they showed the first X-Men verse like Deadpool? Oh, yeah. And it's like, fuck, dude. Like, that healing factor ain't that good. But still, it's like, you know, he shows up.
01:17:29
Speaker
um I mean, i'm ah I'm assuming I haven't seen the new one, but I mean Logan he showed up But I do like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, right? He's I mean it was so good and huge Logan was so much fucking better than it should have been because you know what it is Logan is There's a great way to end Wolverine. It's literally a perfect way. It's Wolverine verse the Terminator Uh-huh and it's t2 Logan is t2
01:18:03
Speaker
Yeah, he is. ah Yeah, she's John Carter. Yes. Logan is T2 and it's T2 with characters that you already love, just like in T2. And Professor Xavier, he's ah Linda Hamilton. I was there since the beginning. Yeah. And it's so good. It's so good. Yeah.
01:18:26
Speaker
it's And yeah that's what I love Patrick Stewart as Professor Xavier. You know, he's he's one of those characters. I like the villain. As Jean-Luc Picard too. I like the villain. I like that he essentially has to fight young Logan. Oh, yeah. I love that. I loved it. Like, it fits the character so well because it's like, his whole thing is like,
01:18:50
Speaker
He's like Vegeta. He gets the best character growth, right? Yeah. Right? Like, look logan you know, Logan and X-Men. I fucking hate everything. Life sucks, dick. Oh, and a Pac-Man. I'll save you. You're like, you're my girl.
Film Preferences and Critiques
01:19:06
Speaker
And then he's like, ging gray oh Oh, maybe I will be a good guy. You know, but he's, but he's still like, yeah, fuck it. I'm like clothings, you know? And then you gotta like, you keep going and you keep going. And it's like, you get days of future pass where it's like the shit he has to go through, right? It's like this dude, man, he's just fucking bit through the grind back. That's true. And like literally through the grind. He's been grinded up into pulpit and he has to heal back from it. He's just like, God damn, I'm tired. And you know you get to the end of his road where the adamantium is finally fucking doing him in, right? Like it's making him age.
01:19:50
Speaker
And it's like, he's probably like fucking 300 years old living in constant pain, the big poison and regenerating every second of day. And then he has to fight a younger version of himself that doesn't fucking have that pain. God damn.
01:20:15
Speaker
You know, that's what we want people. That's how we want people to like analyze and look at dickhead, right? Yeah. Don't you see Richard's pain? He's been through it for 23 years. The broken bones. The dickhead. All right, Steven's going to pee. All right, I'm going to talk about my shit, I guess.
01:20:40
Speaker
I wrote this down, so you're welcome. I haven't seen many new releases this year. I have been burnt out with the bigger film releases, just feeling underwhelming and being overall shit in terms of blockbusters. Of note, only Dune II, Long Legs, and Civil War come to mind as films I felt were worth the price of admission.
01:21:04
Speaker
Instead, I've been diving into older films. Big surprise there, I know. If you know me, and you know I'm an old, I'm a hipster at heart, even though I have no style. Which I guess is the perfect hipster after all. Wow. That's fucking disgusting.
01:21:29
Speaker
Um... Though there was a recent film, oh fuck, I need to probably wait for Steven to talk about that one. Remind myself to talk about that. Or maybe I should just talk about something else. Let me skip and then I'll kind of come back to that topic.
01:21:48
Speaker
um So I've been watching a lot of 70s and 80s horror films to kind of get an idea about Dick. Damn, I kind of want to talk about a lot. That's what Stephen actually. Well, I'll just try to fill some time then I guess while the man is gone, you know, yeah they, you know what they say. You can't do it alone, kid, I guess.
01:22:21
Speaker
Oh. He is back. Okay. I couldn't really do this without you. Cause I kind of wanted your input on a lot of stuff that I was going to ramble off.
01:22:34
Speaker
Oh. Oh yeah. With the whiskey. yeah sure I'll finish this glass and then I'll, I'll finish the water. Yeah. I'm having trouble reading. and fine How you doing buddy? You feeling good?
01:22:51
Speaker
All right. So. We can keep the other stuff in this, like, because, you know, on the podcast, we can be as lame as we want to be. um No one ever listens.
01:23:06
Speaker
ah So the three movies that I thought this i that came out this year, i and I want to see what your thoughts were on them if you saw them. And I think we've talked about Doom 2 a little bit, but um
01:23:23
Speaker
Only three film, I was looking up ah kind of all the releases this year. Only three films kind of really piqued my interest. And the Dune II, Lawn Legs, and Civil War. Oh, Dune II came out this year? Yeah. That was good. It was good. Like I was... Denny is... He's amazing. he's a Yeah.
01:23:41
Speaker
Uh, there's there you go then enough said right like goddamn. It's my boy. You're so good. Yeah, although I Fucking hate timothy shelving. I just yeah the casting. I don't know. I just fucking hate that guy I don't know why i like I it's not fair like i'm sure he's a cool dude, but like I wouldn't go fight and die for him No, I just don't like that. I just I don't know You want your men to look like army hammer? we I don't want to, yeah, I guess. I get that man meat. What about that Twisters guy?
01:24:15
Speaker
I like him. Yeah, I saw Hitman. I liked Hitman. I liked it too. I liked it a lot. It was like, fuck, Linklater, you're just such a charming bastard. Yeah. You make such charming movies. It's so charming. He's so good. And the problem is, I remember I laughed so hard when I thought of this, and I was watching that movie, the Hitman movie, and the kids were like, oh, he's hot now. And I'm like, are you kidding?
01:24:43
Speaker
He's been hot. Yeah, you really like are you kidding like this dude is like The most 10 out of 10 giga chat that's like ever lived, dude, is like Glenn Powell. He's so fucking handsome. Yeah. And charming, like in Top Gun Maverick. You're just like, you're the bad guy. Like, I fucking love you, dude. Oh, he's in Top Gun Maverick? He's the bad guy. He's the cocky kid. They're all cocky, aren't they? He's the cocky kid that comes in at the end of the day to save them. He's like, I love you guys. I love you, bro.
01:25:17
Speaker
He was in that Anyone But You movie with Sidney Sweeney. And he's so fucking good. And that movie's, it's like the most like early 2000s romantic comedy callback. Don't you like rom coms though?
01:25:34
Speaker
I loved it. I loved it, man. I guess that was the recent, dude, it's like the perfect airplane movie. I don't know what to say. Like, yeah I remember it was so funny. I was watching it on an airplane and I looked over and the guy next to me was watching it too. And I'm like, it's like the perfect movie to watch on an airplane. Cause it's like, it's like Miss Congeniality. It's like,
01:25:59
Speaker
I was almost said Clueless, but Clueless is like really good. Clueless is great. Clueless is like a perfect movie, maybe. Yeah, it's a great movie. God damn, Clueless is so much better than anything I've ever said about. I mean, that should be on the Criterion. Clueless? Absolutely. That movie's fucking fantastic, dude. I watched that movie so much as a kid. Oh, yeah. I loved it. Dude. I was like, this movie's so fucking great. Yeah, Clueless is good. But yeah, did you see Long Legs? Yes. What'd you think?
01:26:30
Speaker
Well, I watched it and then Sophia started crying so I had to lay with her. So I missed like the whole movie except for the very end. And then I watched the end again to like see what I missed. And I was reading up on it. A lot of people had issues with the third act. Me too. I would agree because it was just like, oh, you're just gonna tell us what's going on. Like,
01:26:58
Speaker
but It's not that hard of a leap to figure it out, but you just gotta tell us. It was so obvious it hurt. Yeah, and a lot of people said like that third act, was just it kind of ruined it. who I wanted something yeah so different. I wish my my was sitting in the seat stewing. I was like, please God, something else happened. I wanted Satan to crawl out of her mom's body. I wanted something to happen.
01:27:26
Speaker
Well, I think you were curious about me seeing that film. Yes, I was, because there's a scene I wanted to talk with you about. OK. And you had a lot of complaints about this scene, which I thought were a little weird.
01:27:40
Speaker
because she was like complaining about ah how the barn lights weren't lit. So how was the upper stairs lit with lights? And I was just like, give give a break, it's beautiful. And I wanted to just say, like dude, that scene was so fucking beautiful. like That whole barn investigation scene, like the intensity, the way it builds, like what finding the weird thing in the floor,
01:28:08
Speaker
The doll- Oh, when they went in and found a doll. Yeah. Yeah. And that's when I was like, damn, he can- I know you love this film. And I rewatched it recently, and I fucking- I love Black Coat's Daughter. Oh, yeah, that's great. And I was like, this guy knows how to execute it, but I don't know if it's like his writing or what it is. like Maybe he just like got real lucky because I think Hassel and Gretel had a lot of the same issues that this film had yeah where there were just like beautiful, magnificently gorgeous scenes. I just wanted to let chew up the scenery. like and The same thing with this film was just with Long Legs was just like, damn, this is like a beautiful, like
01:28:56
Speaker
very artsy fartsy seven. yeah It's a very, right? and And I remember I was telling Katie, I was like, this is a beautiful example of style over substance.
01:29:10
Speaker
Well, Seven's amazing, so I don't know if you should taint it with Longlegs. No, i know I don't think Longlegs is bad at all. I liked it a lot. I just hated the third act. I think it almost ruined the movie. And you know the writing is just so bad, but it is directed so well. um That opening scene on the assault on the house,
01:29:38
Speaker
I thought for sure like there was gonna be something, like I was like, oh fuck, I'm yeah i'm in. um But this is where the writing sucks too, because I was like, I wish that tied in somehow. oh yeah i wish the writing was just a I wish the writing was better. like i i i this I know it's so cocky to be like, if I had written it, but like if I had just been able to give notes,
01:30:07
Speaker
Like if my version of this, i like I wish I could have seen. yeah Which I know is weird to say, but that was it the the way that story was the way the story was written, just like made me want to rewrite it. yeah And because I thought, oh my god, dude, I thought it i can't think of a better directed movie I've seen in a really long time because Some of the scenes just like completely pulled me in. like to like like looking I was like so suspicious of the background. Yeah, with the with the ah composing of the the shot yeah cinematography. The shots, the cinematography. I thought it was the most beautiful looking horror film I've seen in a while. Yeah. um But like that only goes so far and I thought that was and maybe an interesting topic too because the writing is really that bad.
01:31:02
Speaker
Yeah, because I thought the acting was fine because I don't know how else to say it. It's just the writing just felt. It literally felt like I know it's weird to say, but it's like it's like what if it if like chat GPT wrote seven.
01:31:22
Speaker
Yeah. And and then shove the Blackcoats daughter devil into it. Yeah.
01:31:30
Speaker
they yeah But you like the movie. I loved it. ahs Yeah, I can ignore the thing is ah the performances are good enough is like just ignore every word that's said.
01:31:46
Speaker
yeah literally just if you could mute the dialogue and watch it as a silent film it would be so intriguing because the problem is it's like the characters start talking and you're like what the fuck yeah why is this fucking why what the fuck this it's like it's like someone watched a mystery and was like i can't wait to give it away
01:32:15
Speaker
Like, it's like the very first clue in the movie. yeah It's like, oh, she's kind of telepathic. It's like, okay, so she's involved.
01:32:30
Speaker
Right? She's not Brad Pitt in Seven, because I've got to compare this movie to Seven a lot. Well, you know, because this movie rips up seven harder than anything in the world. Hold on. Because in the reviews and everything for this film, a lot of people were comparing it to Science of the Lamb. In fact, he got interviewed, I think, on NPR. Oh, yeah. He was talking about how people were. What a joke.
01:32:56
Speaker
You got to be kidding me, right? Yeah. Science of the Lamb is like, in the top 10 greatest films of all time? It is the greatest film of all time, yeah. Vlog legs. Yeah.
01:33:14
Speaker
and well Oh, fuck. Dickhead's fucked. Dickhead's so fucked. I mean, but dude, no. Yeah. Yeah, that's why for me, i i you know, i don't I don't think the good makes up for the bad.
01:33:31
Speaker
Oh, for me, it did. For me, it doesn't. So for me, it's like, eh. It's like a five. it's it's You know, I'm trying to watch older movies now. Yeah. Because it's like, um I don't want to waste my time no more. It's a waste. It is. And not to say it's a waste of time to watch some of these films. It is. But, I mean, I watch all sorts of films. And now with the limited time, it's like, well, let me just watch a film that I've heard people talk about.
01:34:00
Speaker
Like I, I saw hate or lehane. I don't know how you say it in French. Um, it was in the nineties. Yeah. Filmed in the nineties with Vincent Castillo. And I haven't seen it, dude, just cinematography shot black and white film. Cinematography is just, I think criterion cleaned it up. So I wish I could see it like with the grain.
01:34:24
Speaker
But man, it was just so beautiful. And it just had this like rough, raw feel because it's like these you're following these young adults through the ghettos of France, you know, and it's kind of very much of its time, like the styling and everything. And it's just so great. It's just such a fucking good movie. And then I even watched Logan's run.
01:34:48
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah. I've never seen it. And then maybe the favorite movie I saw was ah Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Oh, dude, I've been wanting to watch it. I always wanted to watch it as a kid. I would see the cover at the VHS store and be like, Mom, can I watch, let's watch this one, let's watch this one. And they never let me read it.
01:35:08
Speaker
So I finally saw it during COVID. And I was like, Jesus Christ, this movie's fucking amazing. It's great. I always wanted to do it for a movie night, so I never watched it. Ah, dude, you would love it. When you watch it, you'll love it. I want to do like a movie, like that's a movie night movie, I feel like. Yeah, just get high and watch it, man. You'll love it. Yeah. Oh, and then Civil War.
01:35:34
Speaker
Oh, Silver War was great. I loved it a lot. Silver War was amazing. um That girl, she's ah like a Timothy Chalamet for me, you know? It's like, dude, she looks like she's 12. Oh, I didn't care. I didn't care about her, really. I don't think she...
01:35:52
Speaker
I had a really good screen presence, um but Kirsten Dunne sucked me in like a goddamn tornado. You know, when I saw that film, she made everything better. I thought she was one of the best characters since like Ripley. Yeah. You know, it's just written so well. She did so goddamn good. Yeah.
01:36:18
Speaker
And I just, I loved every, you know, there was something about her that I loved in the film is she just made me want to keep just watching what was going to happen with her. And kind of like her reaction because she gave this reaction to things that was like,
01:36:45
Speaker
she's seen things and we know that she's seen things. yeah But because of the the young girl that's coming in, she's kind of remembering what it was like to feel. And she was like,
01:37:04
Speaker
Damn. Yeah. You know, the cycle continues, right? In a sense where it's like, she's the, and then what happens in the film happens.
01:37:20
Speaker
And I kind of wish that was a little different. Yeah. Because it felt It should have been crueler.
01:37:36
Speaker
Also, I felt like it kind of happened fast. It did happen fast. Because it went from like... Should we spoil the end? Spoilers for Civil War.
01:37:51
Speaker
Kristen Dunst gets shot in the head, but I felt like it should have been the other way around because um Yeah, that would have been better. Because part of it is like then now that's like another scar that might be too heavy to bear for her. and the Because the problem is- What does that drive her to? I understand that like maybe the It's maybe that's maybe a slightly more optimistic ending where it's like the cycle just begins anew. That's not optimistic. in that No, but it is in the sense that like, there's always hope if there's a future and ah if Kirsten Dunst, you know, is the one that lives, it's like, dude, she's already at the end of her row. I mean, I'm not saying Kirsten Dunst is old at all.
01:38:40
Speaker
um You mean the character. I just mean that like you know she's not the new generation bringing in the the yeah hope of change. Wait, you thought that other you thought she represented change? I thought she represented the next... She's she's just a cycle repeated, but no change. Exactly. But there's no change. Right, right, right, right. But what I'm saying is The idea is with the cycle, always there's always the the chance of hope in a sense. You are optimistic. That's what I'm saying. that's what i'm saying is I never found it optimistic. I've found it optimistic in the chance that it's like someone always has to take up the mantle. Yeah.
01:39:27
Speaker
And this is what this is the exchange. And um I'm so nihilistic, I wanted the darker ending where it's like, no, we accept the dark. This is the end. like Because if you watch it, the whole thing is the interesting thing about the lore behind it is almost like
01:39:55
Speaker
It's the the cost the cost of kind of like getting back to a good, in a sense, because it's essentially like, oh, ah okay, so Donald Trump is president.
01:40:10
Speaker
who And we have a civil war. And California is like, yeah you guys live off us. We're not gonna deal with this shit. Like you're fucking crazy, you goddamn Nazis. Like wasn't it California and New York, right? Yeah, California and Texas.
01:40:29
Speaker
because, but they're also separate states or separate countries. So Texas is like, we're our own thing. California is like, we're our own thing. And the United States is like, no, you're ours. And they're like, suck our dicks. So they're like, enemy of my enemy, you know? Is my friend, you know? And then it's like, so Texas and California are like, we're just going to kill these guys and then we're going to do our own thing.
01:40:55
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it does then like what And then Florida joins in, right? And then like the whole thing is Florida joins in. in, right? Really? Yeah. That happened? Yeah, in the film. They talk about it. They're like, Florida's joined in Florida. There's like a Florida alliance, yeah. but It's like Florida and Georgia and Massachusetts and shit. They like join all in, right?
01:41:16
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We're in front of Trump. Yeah, no. Yeah. And it's like, ah and so essentially that it's like them converging ah in Virginia, though, are in Maryland, the White House, right? Okay. I didn't catch that. It's like the end of the war, essentially. Yeah. Well, yeah. And it's, in a way, it's like,
01:41:37
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That's maybe the only way we get out of this in a sense, in a weird way, right? Cause it's like, you know, It's so weird because the debates were this week and there was like the like worst ash falling in like- California, yeah. Like post-apocalyptic, we got fires, like earthquakes. What a bizarre day, man. And then it's like, oh, and the debates go on and then and the fact, and like you just listen to Trump and it's like, Jesus Christ, I would vote for it anything. to
01:42:16
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I don't you know. and that you know people All those dumb fuckers that are like, ah you got to look at the policies. And I'm like, that Trump, dude, he don't know if what kind of eggs he wants in the morning. you know He'll say scrambled is the best, and then when they bring him scrambled, he'll say, yeah i eggs benedict.
01:42:39
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you know like yeah And then they bring the eggs, bend it, and he's like, now no, no. This cool fancy person, Taylor Swift, she said, I eat omelets with egg whites. And then it's like, omelets with egg whites are like what he wants to eat. you know yeah This motherfucker's opinions and policies changed like the wind, like goddamn, the wind for like ah you know the worst golfer in the world, goddamn.
01:43:07
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You got to be fucking retarded. Like, are absolutely retarded to actually think like anything this guy has said or believed in in any degree is beneficial to anyone but himself and in detriment to you as a human being. Yeah. I saw one email alert.
01:43:39
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What were we talking about? With evil irks? Have you seen that? I haven't even heard of it. Oh, dude, you gotta fucking watch it. Yeah? You gotta fucking watch it. Okay. So I was doing that, I was watching that Joe Bob marathon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The first film was Slumber Party Massacre. Awesome. Dude, is it uncut for those? Yeah. Really? Cool. Slumber Party. And I will say,
01:44:09
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I watched that and I'm like, damn, this is such a better ticket. Well, yeah, I mean, that's any film. No, no, no. I i mean like ah if we have like money and experience and talent, we would have made this movie.
01:44:27
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That's great. I think so, too. Like, I think it's so weird because I don't know why this movie is not rated higher. I was watching and I was like, dude, this movie is fucking fantastic. Everything about this movie is fucking amazing. It is a fucking mockery of slashers. It is like big head prime.
01:44:50
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my It's exactly what we wanted to make. Yeah. There's even a Jennifer character. Like, ah you watch that movie, maybe i don't you should watch it again. Like, you should watch Dickon and watch Some Party Massacre and you'd be like, oh, it's so cool. Like, it's like a, it's like a, we're, but and then you learn that it's written by like the most like wonderful, like the most like ah heralded feminist of all time or some shit yeah that wrote the film.
01:45:20
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And it's directed by a woman. And it's like, us two pervs directed dickhead. And it's like, it's about a bunch of pervs. But yeah we're like sophisticated pervs.
01:45:33
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um oh Shit, but job was Joe Bob and the second film was where evil lurks. Yeah, you were evil lurks. So it's a film that came out last year and it's a Spanish language film. I don't know if he's actually from all is that what the demons? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, I Was really surprised by how good it was. I was a little let down my I had a lot of issues with it, but I I felt like it was a little too heavy on... Did you see it before me? No, I just saw it, like... Oh, okay. For Joe Bob. Yeah. Two weeks ago, maybe. And I was like, I really... There were some parts that were just done so well, and it was so good, but then it was like, it didn't end. Yeah. I was like, please end, we get it. You know, I will say that movie stuck with me so far. Yeah, dude, I... Because I keep thinking about that ending, and it's like, fuck.
01:46:33
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I did have a little bit of acid.
01:46:38
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God, that'd be terrifying, dude. It was ah interesting. that'd be ter that Yeah, that's a pretty damn scary film to watch on acid. I remember I was watching it and I was laughing my ass off. Yeah? Oh, yeah, dude. I thought the film was kind of like in a in a sick way hilarious.
01:46:55
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ah because it's um It's a film, it's like the most nihilistic movie yeah like maybe ever. It's like... Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty nihilistic. Yeah. Everyone does the wrong thing all the time. ah yeah And it's like, yeah, of course humanity is at the brink of extinction. We fucking suck. Yeah. Like this director must have done this on purpose. There is not a single character that is not fuck up in this film. Yeah.
01:47:26
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Maybe the brother doesn't, but even he kind of fucks up. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that fucking person that is like the most pro like, Oh, I've been fighting the demons my entire life. Yeah. She fucks up big time. Like she's so stupid. It's like, of course we lost. Of course the evil lurks. Oh yeah. Spoilers. Of course they won. Yeah.
01:47:54
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Dude, we suck. Like that movie just underlines it. Well, I'll say when you talked about this film, you said it was like one of the scariest horror films ever. And you really built it up for me. I think that was what the reviews were saying. Yeah. So I was like really excited to see it. And, you know, at some points it has its issues, but then
01:48:22
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at others it like really fucking delivers like once he goes to his kids like that whole that whole section of the script is just so like intense right and then when you get that reprieve it's just like but like you feel exhausted right at that point literally you know You know, it's interesting you mentioned these films because I didn't know that came out this year. Yeah, that that's a really fucking good one. And so is Civil War. Yeah. I mean, I think Civil War might be my favorite this year. It's Dune 2 was good, but so I actually.
01:48:58
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Yeah, but Dune 2, I mean, I will say, dude, I'll say the issue with Dune 2 is I can't show my mom that film. You know, she'll be like, oh, Stevie, is it going to end yet? But I could show her silver worship like, yeah, that was pretty cool, man. Yeah. You know, I will say, you know what? How about this?
01:49:20
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and any other year you probably civil war would be like middle middle tier fair but this year is so shit it is like no dunes pretty great no i mean but that's what's the next best thing you know like but dune is like i To be fair, I haven't seen everything. I haven't seen everything. It sounds like you've seen everything. I've seen a lot, but I haven't seen everything. And there's still a lot more for the year to come and, you know, you there's all those movies you miss. Okay, well, what are you looking forward to? This year? Yeah.
01:50:01
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um Um... Nosferatu? Okay. And are you going to see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice? No. What if the kids want to see it? I'll probably watch it ah like at home. Yeah. ah But I don't really have a huge interest to see it. You know, there is one film I am actually pretty interested in seeing. It's Saturday night. And it's based on Saturday Night Live. Okay. Yeah.
01:50:33
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Have you seen trailers for that at all? Not at all. It looks pretty damn cool. And it's supposed to be really funny. Oh. It might be a little like. A night with the devil, if you if I may say so. Oh, talk about that.
01:50:51
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All right. Oh, shit, we got more to talk about. Some news. Oh. Well, bad news, sad news. James Earl Jones, man. Yeah, man. That's depressing. Bader. That's one of the actors for me where it was like, fuck, once they go, it's gonna be like, Major Kong. Shit, man. a that was what That was like my favorite actor growing up, man. He's like, Mufasa. Mufasa, you know? helloan I can't remember what his name is. Fuck, I'm too fucked up.
01:51:26
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But James Earl Jones, man. I just watched Conan too. Fuck, that movie is so goddamn good. He's just, he's like one of those actors for me, you know? Like yeah Harrison Ford, once he goes, he's like, ugh, ugh. You know, it's just, it's gonna hurt in a special place. LeVar Burton? Oh, dude. Right? He ain't allowed to die, you know?
01:51:47
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You know, it's just like, damn, that was really depressing. You know, the other the other passing, because it's been this long since we've been on, the ah what person who was also stuck with me was Donald Sutherland. Oh, dude, yeah. You know, there wasn't a lot of coverage on that, I don't think, but man, just like seeing, it was like, Kiefer's dead.
01:52:12
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yeah hey Oh, man, it can't be true. Oh, yeah, dude. You know, it's just like, fuck, it's depressing. Yeah. Speaking of old fucking talking about old movies, I watched ah Don't Look Now, which is one of his um popular films or one of his like more classic films.
01:52:29
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yeah um God damn it, dude. So such a good movie. It's so good. Like 1973. Yeah. um It's one of those movies where You're like, what the fuck is going on? And then at the end when you actually realize what's going on, you're like, what the fuck is going on? What the fuck? What's it about? um A man and a woman, their daughter dies. That film. Yeah. I think Red Letter Media talked about that. Oh, really? Yeah. And they said it was like fucking amazing. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. It's super fucking good. It's so fucking good. Yeah. It's a movie where
01:53:10
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it's ah It's probably better the second time you watch it. Oh. But ah the first time you watch it and you have no idea what's going on, it's like an M. Night Shyamalan movie. ah Oh shit, for real? Like the best M. Night Shyamalan movie that's ever been made. Sixth Sense is pretty good. It's better than that. Really? Oh yeah.
01:53:28
Speaker
Holy shit. What's it called? Don't Look Now? Yeah. What the fuck? That's the worst time I've ever heard of my life. It'll make sense when you watch the movie. It's like dickhead. Really? Yeah. I'm dead serious. shit Dude, Don't Look Now is really fucking good. That's literally next on my list. Especially if you don't know what the twist is and it's like... No idea. Then you're gonna fucking love it.
01:53:55
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Because you're just... Say you're building it up, man. I don't know. No, dude. You're building it up. I gotta build it up more if it's possible. It's such a good twist, dude. It's so fucking... Wow, okay. It's like you watch it and you're like, are you fucking serious? You fucking went there. And then, yeah, they did, dude. And it's done so well, man.
01:54:16
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it Wow, okay. Yeah, it's a I see dead people level twist. Well, you've never seen the original Body Snatchers, not the original Body Snatchers, but the one with ah Donald Sutherland, right? I have. You have? I read the book and ah so I watched all the movies. Oh, you did? Yeah. I think I've seen all of them too. Yeah, um the the one from the 50s I think is the closest to the book. Okay.
01:54:42
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And, uh, but it has a happier ending because the book has a not so happy a bleak ending. Well, in the, the one with Dolan Sutherland, that's like pretty yeah bleak throughout. That one's great. I think that one's probably that close to the book or at least like, yeah, like the, the heart of the book, what it's trying to get to. Yeah. Oh, that's depressing.
01:55:05
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Oh, dude, the the book is, uh... Is it it great? The book has an optimistic ending, actually, because the aliens kind of are like... They kind of kill themselves. Oh, okay. Because they're like, uh, humanity is like...
01:55:21
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It's like humanity is going to fight back even to the last man. Maybe it's not worth the effort or whatever and they just kind of give up and they just all die. Slow deaths. All the aliens. They just like live with the people not feeling anything and then they just die in like five years and then everyone forgets it happens. Really?
01:55:47
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yeah oh okay yeah ah that sounds great and there's so that the doctor and the yeah they have you lay to yeah When you watched the Body Snatchers, so did you see like the ah other films that weren't called Body Snatchers? like There's one with ah Nicole Kidman and... Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig, right? Yeah, Invasion. Invasion, right. But that's essentially Body Snatchers, right? It is, yeah. And then there's one that was ah directed by ah Abel Ferreira or whatever that guy's name is.
01:56:23
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It's called Snatchers. And it was made in the 90s. And it's interesting. It's not bad. But so you watch those films too. Yeah. So for a while, I had this thing where I was watching, I was reading books or listening to books and then watching the movies made after them. That's awesome. I did House of Haunted Hill. See, that's why it got you that gift. Yeah. Hollywood, Charles Bukowski. House on Haunted Hill is a book? Yeah. What's the book? House on Haunted Hill? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. The book is fucking amazing. Is it like a novel or a short story? It's short. It's like a novella. I mean, it's probably a full novel, but it's really short. Okay. And it's really well done. And it's a really great, like, example of like a scary story, but like,
01:57:18
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hopeful through like mental illness in a sense. Cool. Cause it's like, Dan dude, life sucks for some people, you know? But yeah, I yeah for did it with that. I did ah the R. ah Richard Parker books. then they did the He did a film out of sight, um which was starring George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez. I know I've seen the film. And I read the book. The book's way better than the movie, but the the movie's pretty good.
01:57:51
Speaker
And then I did. Did you do Fight Club? No, I haven't done Fight Club. I did that one. I did Mr. Majestic. Mr. Majestic, what's that one? It's a film starring, oh fuck, what is the guy's name? Jim Carrey? Harmonica, do you remember what that actor's name is? Harmonica, what the fuck? In Once Upon a Time in Mexico. Charles Bronson? Or Once Upon a Time in whatever. Charles Bronson? Charles Bronson.
01:58:20
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in it? Mr. Majestic, he's Mr. Majestic. Okay. Charles Bronson. What's he do? He shoot people? He's a farmer. Does he shoot people? He's like a farmer that, and then like people are like kind of trying to bully him. And he shoots people? And he fucking murders everybody.
01:58:38
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Because they kill someone on like, like it's like a better version of ah of ah but move Patrick Swayze Roadhouse. Oh, really? Yeah, it's kind of like a better Roadhouse in a weird way. Wow. Because it's like this dude that's like, hey, man, I just want to farm. And they're like, I just need to farm, man. And it's like, you hire our guys, motherfucker. And he's like, nah, I don't do that.
01:59:04
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I'm fucking Mr. Majestic. And then they kill him and they like fucking start burning down his crops and they're like, you kill my watermelons. It's like, kills everybody. Good day, Mr. Majestic. Well, it's it's like his friend who like works the farm, they like run over his legs. Oh, well, yeah, they had it. And he's like, you went too far, man. His legs.
01:59:33
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You crushed Jorge's legs. It stays on Jorge, but it's something like that. Now I crush you. ah Yeah. And he just fucking murders everybody, dude. And it's so badass. It's such a fucking... The book and the movie... are perfect. Really? It's like pulp fiction. It's perfect pulp fiction. Wow. Mr. Majestic, I highly recommend it. Is that what the book's called, Mr. Majestic? Mr. Majestic, and that's what... Check these out. Yeah, because dude, there was a while where I was just like, I want to just listen to like old books that like... Because you always listen to people like, oh yeah, we listen to Elmore Leonard and ah park R.H. Parker, Richard Parker, and whatever the guy's name is. Whatever the guy's name is. And then it's like there's some other people, like they write like the old old like pulpy books. yeah And um current books, you know, McCarthy. Yeah. Who the fuck's McCarthy?
02:00:31
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the guy that wrote The Road. Is it McCormick? McCormick, yes. McCarthy. McCormick. McCormick. McCormick. McCormick. McCormick. The guy that wrote an No Country for Old Men, you know what I'm talking about. Oh, he wrote that too? I read that.
02:00:49
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A lot of people were upset when he passed. and Oh, yeah. I read Blood Meridian. That's a great book, dude. Did you read The Road? um I started it and then I was like... I started it too and I got to a waterfall and I was like, yeah, I'll read it tomorrow. yeah That day never came. yeah I listened to American Psycho instead. Oh, dude, that book's amazing. It's so good. That book is amazing. It is really good. And you know, the film...
02:01:20
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The film is like so it's a good. That's a good adaptation, right? Like, to make a movie. I believe that's also directed by a female. There you go. It is. Just like Dickhead. That movie's great, dude. Dickhead's directed by some bitches, you know? You know, I'll say, I think Fight Club's better than the book.
02:01:40
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ah See, I haven't done Fight Club yet. You should read the book. Or listen to the book, because I know your bitch-ass don't read, you damn liar. I read McCormick. I read Bielby. You listen, you cocksucker. Okay, I'm sorry. ah sorry I'm sorry, my lord, but I did not read them. My ears only hear them.
02:02:01
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ah But talking about James Earl Jones, oh um before he died, he gave his rights to Disney for his voice. Now, do you think that was just like for like a big payoff for like his family? Because he knew he's just like, maybe i'm this is it. like here's ah here's some Here's some new ah houses, kids. you know like Yeah, sure, maybe. But also, you know that's just such a beloved It's just too iconic. Character. And he's so know he's so humble an actor that. Yeah. And and every time you just hear Darth Vader, it's like, yeah, this is what I love. storie But how do you feel about.
02:02:40
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a company essentially owning. Oh, that's disgusting. Terrified, man. Owning his voice. That's so scary. because like it's not like well like The thing is Disney owns his voice. It's not like Miramax. Miramax, I think, was actually owned by Disney. It's not like Universal. It's like, well, we're going to make Conan Six. Well, yeah actually, you know Rogue One, um George Marf Tarkin, what's his name? Grandmom? Grandmom don't get it. Yeah, you know the actor. yeah They used his likeness in Rogue One. Yeah. Peter Cushing. His estate sued, and they won it. Good. Because they were like, no, don't use him. He's dead. Like, fuck you, dude.
02:03:26
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Yeah, like don't profit off grandpa. Yeah, don't profit off the dead. And that's what they're going to do with James Earl Jones. But you know, it is nice to hear Darth Vader, you know? um But yeah, that's gross, right? That a corporation because how are they going to use it? They're not going to respect it. No, they're going to make money off of it. They're going to just make money. And like, I hope maybe there's a contract that says like his family or his estate earns a percentage but you know it theyre they were just like here's 10 grand we own you and he was just like do not disrespect the forest you know like i was turning to a steak motherfucker
02:04:12
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But yeah, dude, rest in peace, man. You know, Major Kong, one of my favorite films of all time is Doctor Strangelove. I know it's a favorite of yours and his first acting role and his first acting role was really- Was that his first film? First film and it's one of the greatest films of all time. What a guy, man. And it's so crazy seeing him young. You know, did you ever see The Great White Hype?
02:04:38
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Hope. no Hope. Hype was a remake. Great white hype. Hope. Nope. Yeah, it's with him. It's about a white boxer, but he's like the main character. Oh, okay.
02:04:50
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It's like one of the great films. You got to watch it. I never saw all of it. I just saw the ending. And it was like, shit, that's James Earl Jones young, you know? Because when I grew up, you know, he was much older. Like I feel the dreams, you know, he always played like that. Grandpa, Grandpa, I miss you, Grandpa.
02:05:11
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So yeah, man, that just that's depressing. That's a depressing one. Dick Van Dyke, that one's gonna hurt too. He's gonna be like, fuck. I always was a diagnosis murder guy. I never even saw a Dick Van Dyke film or anything, but you know, it's just, he's always been around. Hey man, I always watched diagnosis murder, man. And I was always like, this guy's dead, right? And that was like when I was a kid, I mean, he's still alive. He's still alive, man. Holy shit, dude. That guy's a goddamn vampire. But yeah, man, it's just... You know, I never seen Mary Poppins.
02:05:50
Speaker
I've only seen the chim chiminee, chim chiminee, chim chim, charoo. I ain't seen shit, dude. I've never seen it. I know it's probably one I should watch, but... Yeah, you have to. man You just don't want to feel happy sometimes. It's just not even that, it's just like...
02:06:12
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You know, but I will say I felt that way about a film and I was so wrong that it kind of hurt my soul how wrong I was. That's it. um singing in the rain. Oh, yeah. Because you were like, dude. I was like, yeah, what's up? Singing in the rain. I was like, you know what? Singing in the rain. Fuck that movie. It sucks dick. like No one wants to watch that movie. It's so stupid. yeah Singing in the rain. That's movies just for fucking theater guys. They'll jerk themselves off and like do weird games where they slap each other in the face to hide themselves in a weird space of mental humanity. And they're just like,
02:06:50
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I was singing in the rain, it's so good. You know, my second favorite movie is, it's that fucking Woody Allen movie, fucking Annie Hall. You ever heard of it? And it's like, God damn, you bitches all have the best two films ever, you know, singing in the rain, Annie Hall, singing in the rain, Annie Hall. We get it. You like to fuck kids.
02:07:13
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Sorry, buddy, I don't want to make this episode harder than it already is. It's good. But yeah, you know, yeah I watched Sing It In The Rain. God damn it. It's like so fucking good. Yeah. Holy shit. And it's a musical, right? It is a musical. And you hate musicals. I do. And it's like- You don't even like Grease.
02:07:34
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I don't. Grease is awful. Yeah. But- But you like Little Shop. I love Little Shop. Okay. I love Little Shop. You know, I don't hate musicals. I just don't like- No, you hate musicals. They're too long. Did you like Umbrellas? No. Yes. Oh, I loved Umbrellas of Sherberg. How who could you pack are you not? But name a song. Give me a harmony.
02:08:08
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That's the whole movie, isn't it? Yeah, that is. You wanna bang? Yeah, I gotta go to war. Oh no! He goes to war. I guess he's gone too long. Horny! Wow, that makes sense. Rich man got money! Oh, wow. Classic women, you know what I mean? You know?
02:08:26
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Baby, I treat you so good. You never been treated like anything like me. Yeah, I'm poor. I work in a gas station. you know Give me a break. I'm a mechanic. I can't do much, you know but you know as you wish, you know kind of shit, Princess Bride. But the umbrellas are shriveled. She's seen the money. What's the other music? The mom, remember the mom was a huge cunt and she was like, yeah No, he ain't coming back. Fuck ye. He's gotta marry Prince Dickhead over here. And then she's like, well, Prince Dickhead does have a dickhead. And you know, gee, you know, he's a little gee.
02:09:17
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God damn it. You fucker.
02:09:24
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oh fuck this You gave me so much more. That's a good one, dude. You gotta leave that there. That was too good. But yeah, dude, you don't think I don't think about that movie like every other day. It's a beautiful movie. yeah what other movies Do you like any other musicals? What else? what's the Wizard of Oz? yeah I love Wizard of Oz. You can't hate that film.
02:09:53
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I like, uh, Limer Heart Before Christmas is like one of my favorite movies. That's a musical. I want live action. Uh, yeah, that's it. I like repo. Oh, get the fuck La La Land. Okay. I love La La Land. All right. That's fine. That's about it. At least I haven't really seen that many.
02:10:19
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like Anna and the King or whatever that fucking movie is. So back to um Singing in the Rain. Oh yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Something I gotta see. You compared it to Babylon. it If you watch Singing in the Rain and then you watch Babylon, you'll be like, Shazell, why? Why, Shazell? Yeah. But maybe it's like,
02:10:48
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There was a lot of darkness to make that movie. Because dude, if you watch that movie, it's like
02:10:56
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It's like Babylon, but like the ultra like optimistic kind of version in a sense. Yeah. Brad Pitt don't blow his brains out in the bathtub. Yeah. Tony McGuire ain't fucking his cousin while like eating worms and shoving dead pigs up his ass or whatever the fuck is happening in that scene.
02:11:20
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Yeah. But then Chazelle just has a way of like running away with it in a sense that's so like the party scene, that scene where she disappears into the darkness and she just is gone. Yeah, we should have sought credits. But then it's like, I want to jerk off a little longer. I'm not done yet. You know, Chazelle's one of those bitches that edges all day, you know, and it's like, I've got to come so hard, you've never seen a come like this before.
02:11:51
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Like, dude, name a filmmaker that literally shits on the audience with an elephant in the first minute. Like, Babylon is like a kind of weird little fucking movie. It's so beautiful, but it's so fucking awful at the same time.
02:12:09
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Yes, like I I love it, but I fucking hate it, too. Like it's such a like it's such a conflicting film for me, but yeah it is. The thing is, is like the highs are a high. But I don't know. Some of the lows are pretty low. Like I'm just like, damn, buddy, we get it. Yeah. Yeah, that movie could have been tightened up a little bit there. It's like, fuck, dude.
02:12:39
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And then when you watch, honestly, you on just watch Sing In The Rain and you'll be like, oh, this is what you wanted. Ooh, ooh, like, goddamn, like, I remember I watched Sing In, I was so fucking shocked. Well, remember we compared First Man to 2000, right? Like, 2001, like that Nolan had Interstellar, Chazelle has First Man.
02:13:05
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So is Babylon hammer. I guess I'm independent. I love it. But this day we will not go into the night. We will unite and fight those motherfucking aliens. OK, Bill. That was a fun film. You know it. I hate that movie. No, you don't. Didn't you see the theaters?
02:13:28
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Yeah, but I don't like it. You didn't like it as a kid? You're like, this movie sucks. Fuck those aliens. No, dude, I want the aliens to win. Oh, man, I loved it to Pennis Day.
02:13:41
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That was so cool. yeah was a camera you know With the UFOs coming over, it's like, oh my God, they're over the White House, man. Give me enemy of the state. Give me enemy of the state.
02:13:54
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i ah Shit, even that new movie that he did with a mary Elizabeth Winston. that one where he fights his younger self. What? What movie? That one. Oh, Will Smith? Yeah. Gemini Man? Gemini Man. Gemini Man. I like that movie. I saw an hour of it and I was like, eh, I fell asleep. I liked it. you know oh you know I'm a sucker for the sucker puncher. What can I say?
02:14:29
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He's got a charm. you know He does. He absolutely does. without it He tells you to look lefty, it's right. Shit. um
02:14:42
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I don't know if you want to talk about this, but we have been talking about wanting to talk about the AI shit that everyone was showing a fit over ah the devil, late light with the devil. First off, did you see late night with the devil? Yes. and I saw it too.
02:15:02
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um Well, I guess do we show up? Do you want to talk about that film at all? Not really. Yeah, me neither. Kind of sucked. Yeah, just watch it if you want. I mean, watch it to support it. Sure. I think, yeah, I thought, oh, okay. It didn't suck. Anytime I see this ball shoot, I'm like, okay, I'm i'm happy. Yeah, me too. i I gave that movie a 6 out of 10. That's a little high. I think it's... I think...
02:15:30
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What it does well, it does well. And it has a charm. It has, there are very good there are very good parts, but also it's like, it kind of starts losing its charm. Yeah. It kind of starts feeling,
02:15:52
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it's like, I know it's weird to say that it starts to feel too scripted because it's supposed to be a live recording. But it's very scripted. It's so very scripted and and you kind of... This is gonna happen now! And it's like... I don't know.
Impact of AI on Creative Jobs
02:16:11
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i that It kind of lost me. But, yeah you know, I'll say I was disappointed, but um is I still liked it and it's kind of a movie that I... I don't know. It was fun. It was fine.
02:16:25
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I think the bigger issue is the AI conversation. Yes. And that was what I wanted to talk about. Where with AI, man, I use fucking chat GPT. I'm like, Hey, chat GPT, how do I roll up some fill? You know, and it tells me how to do so. Okay. Thank you, chat GPT. Yeah. Yeah. You know, AI can really save you some time. And especially if you're smaller, who gives a shit?
02:16:50
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You know, use it as a tool and it's great as a tool. What do you think about all this people work? I know I have, I'm of two minds on this. Um, but my perceiving mind is if you're afraid of chap b chat, chat GPT or AI taking your job, you aren't very good at your job to begin with.
02:17:11
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I was gonna take all of our jobs eventually eventually it will but like right now if that's your concern. You're not very good at what you do you like. The thing is if you become undeniable.
02:17:28
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I guess, but then I'm also in the mind of where it's like, well, we might not just need a color as if AI did it perfectly. Yeah. And we just said, hey, do the color. Like, see that green rectangle? Can you fix it? And then it's like, I understand. I fix it. I will do it. Color corrected. It is fixed. Now, make it look like umbrellas at Chernobyl. Which is impossible. Would you like to see an ad?
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02:18:19
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yeah
02:18:21
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ah I'm so broke now. It's like, and then you're like, oh, you know, I saw my underwear. I saw my left shoe, you know, i'm barefoot. I mean, like some girl with like six legs just bought my shoe. She's got too many left feet. And it's like, I find out, you know, I pay the 39 credits and, you know, Chad GPT, it's like,
02:18:49
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Your girlfriend thinks you're okay. What does that mean? Please answer in 22 more credits. I will tell you. Oh i shit. Oh man. And you're just like...
02:19:06
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You know ah she would um money like what, I don't even know how to live without you. And it's just like, and so I just spend Chinese characters in the union. I don't fucking understand what you're saying anymore, dude. Like, you're trying to copy and paste that shit in Google Translate and it's like, you can't figure it out. You're like, you just keep pasting the last picture in some of the fucking texts. You're like, what's happening? Chachibitee, what the fuck, man?
02:19:35
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And it's like, you thought you had control.
02:19:40
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And it's like, you never had shit. You never had Dude, and then you're just sitting there and it's like, you never even had a girlfriend.
02:19:57
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You just got no shoes and you're just fucking sitting there. And it's like you live in a fucking box. It's a fucking cardboard box, but there's all these electrical cables coming in. And it's like, they're like fucking shove your ass and shit in. It's like your little ass is like charging the laptop. And like, there's like a fucking potato, like draining its juices into your body to keep you alive. And you're like, we're in a hollow helmet. And then the credits just say, tomorrow.
02:20:29
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yes Yeah, that's a for the the anthology. There you go. That's good, right? That actually might be interesting. Yeah. We'll find out tomorrow though. ah So yeah, that's what we think about AI. Oh yeah, AI. I'll say this.
02:20:47
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you know If you can afford to not use AI, you shouldn't because it's kind of like awful. But if you can't afford to pay for an artist, why not fucking use AI as a tool? Right. Why not? My argument is this.
02:21:12
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If it's the best you can do, do it. Yeah. If you can do better, do better. If we could pay for people to do things that we've, well, we're not, we're actually paying your people. We're not actually doing anything really with AI. But if we could have paid for everything, right? Like we would want to make the best thing we could have. And if we have tools that are affordable to us, why should we not use them? Yeah. Cause we have a limited budget. Yes. Cause at the end of the day, it's a business as well as a film.
02:21:49
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Yeah, you got to get it done to the best of your ability. And AI makes things a lot easier for people like us. It kind of does. I mean, it's like in the romantic sense, it breaks your heart in the same way that like. Yeah, but look how you don't need to also look how we're able to film. Right. Like that's what I'm saying. That's what I was, you know, literally with technology. Yeah. OK.
02:22:11
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Right, I was going to say like ah in the same sense that it breaks your heart that the sound mixer might not have a job or the VFX artists might not have a job in the same sense or like right because like AI is just going to be able to completely clean the dialogue and know exactly what isolated and then You think so? Soon. Yeah. A.M. A.I. I honestly think it's going to be like right like the isotope. Yeah. Thing like those are only going to get better in five years. It's going to be able to just like completely isolate every wavelength that ever existed and just be like, hey, here you go. Record it at that point. It's just like, OK, which one do you want? You can isolate and enhance.
02:22:58
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Damn right and then like recordings are going to be like at such a a range that you can like there will be no essentially no peaking. see Right usual quarter trip was well with the rain right yeah it's like we recorded this thing two point eight miles away like.
02:23:17
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But we can isolate. and I mean, that's a little crazy. It's not going to be like that. but Well, because it can artificially fill in that gap. It's like, it would pretty much be this. Right, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yes, IA. All right. It's like, eventually... IA Jesus. That's what I'm saying. like It will have that much information.
02:23:36
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Which, I mean, that might be a decade, a hundred years from now. That's probably going to be a while. It could happen. Yeah. Well, we're not going to make it to that, dude. My scoliosis tells me I ain't going to make it until next year.
02:23:52
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But the thing of that but i kind of I hate the hate of it and for like the against creative art because like I remember when Cargill was on the podcast and he was like, I ain't worried about taking jobs where writers and writers are like, are you sure? And like the next day, writers are really afraid of AI taking their job. And it was like literally that fast, right? Yeah, it was. And it's like,
02:24:23
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if you're good, but, cause I was like, I was so conflicted when I was talking, thinking about this. Cause we had kind of been talking about this like off air for a while and at some degree or another.
02:24:36
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Yeah. And it's just like everything is so shit that's coming out. It might as well have been written by AI like. Yeah. I'm kind of of the mind now where I'm like, good is good. Yeah. If you're making something good and enjoyable and well made, I don't give a fuck if a robot made it. If it's a smoothie, like, you know, like the whole like synthetic meat debate, it's like if you could just grow meat instead of like killing a cow. I agree with growing meat.
02:25:05
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And it tasted the same. Grow the meat. That's like the whole thing where I eat it. I think that's what the the absolute beauty of Blade Runner is. It's like. Replicants are just people. Yeah. And it's like, fuck, that's so sad. That's it's like it's such a beautiful exploration and example. Have you read his books? No, I haven't. Dude, he's a fucking genius.
02:25:35
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I've been reading a high man on the tower or whatever that fucking thing is. Yeah. He's really smart. I'm like, what's this word mean? What's this word mean? I'm constantly in the dictionary. You got to do those books, man. You got to do those books to start it or up. Arthur C. Clarke, right? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Is it Arthur C. Clarke? No, Dickens. Charles Dickens. Is it that his name? Philip K. Dick. Philip K. Dick. Arthur C. Clarke did 2001.
02:26:03
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Which is another great book. I've read that one, but um Our listen, so I actually love the film once you kind of let go of the book a little bit the film It's got this nice place. So additional So additional yeah, and uh Arthur C. Clarke, right? Did she say that's There's an Arthur C. Clarke movie with so additional I was thinking of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Who wrote that? That was a ah Douglas Adams. That guy. Yeah, that's who I was thinking about. Yeah, dude, Zooey Deschanel, right? there was I would have done anything. Anything. Yeah.
02:26:50
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anything. oh god
02:26:55
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If Satan himself has like walked in front of me and said, you have to convert 666 souls to hell to sniff her toes. Dude, I would have been talking to people in this suicide every day. I would have been like, you've been doing it to me for 10 years.
02:27:17
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i feel it steve the Yeah, dude. That's a little much. Um, can we attribute that to ah alcohol poisoning? I mean, was there any, uh, it was funny how absurd, right? Absolutely, buddy. Okay. I think I already done with AI. Yeah. I mean, it's like, yeah, it sucks. It's going to take everything away from us, but, um,
02:27:50
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ah What was that? What was Dr. Strangelove's original title? How to enjoy the bomb? Oh, the original title? You mean like the actual title? Yeah. Dr. Strangelove or how i stopp how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb? There you go. is that You know what? It's exactly that. And that's how I feel about AI too. I'm like,
02:28:15
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if once you I took a very Kevin Smith kind of attitude. Learn to love. the good, right? like You know when you like he watch his reviews and he's like crying because he watched Civil War, like Marvel Civil War?
02:28:36
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Captain America, Iron Man. And I'm like, if you know it those are if movies come out and they're actually like good like that, that's awesome. Yeah. um you know that The thing I was thinking about too is like You could always watch Lawrence of Arabia. Yeah.
02:28:59
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I've never seen it. I've seen some of it. i want i i told myself fell asleep I told myself I can't watch it until I watch it in the backyard because I have to watch it on the biggest. Well, it's on the criterion list. Yeah, and I told myself, one, it's on the criterion list and two, we have to watch it on the biggest backyard screen thing we could do. one ah Some of the most beautiful cinematography, that's all I know about it. David Lean, that's all. I know that and the match cut. Greatest match cut ever.
02:29:29
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To second the dickhead.
02:29:33
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The Richard Tom match cut. boo We really needed name tags. yeah Maybe we should do some... Do you like VFX? Did she ever like over-stylize like that? Would you ever go like that? Where we did like a freeze frame where it's like, Karen! no And like, you know, like Feast or whatever. or Yeah, Feast, right? yeah The next hero row or whatever. yeah Like, we could never do that. Okay, I just want to make sure. Please.
02:30:08
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No, I mean, if we do that, then we don't gotta to do Sundance. That's a lot of money. You might as well spend that money on drugs. You know, tell Adam Patricia, like, you know, change your mind. You know, here's 3000. See you later. yeah We don't need the rest. You know, we made a mistake. We're going to take the rest and we're we're out of here. We're just going to type in freemusic dot.com. So buddy.
02:30:38
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What's the main topic? All right.
Festival Submission Anxiety
02:30:41
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Main topic. Oh, where do we go from here? I'm sorry I did that.
02:30:50
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So it's been a quick year. Yeah. It feels like the year has just begun and it's already over as we approach the end of the year. What are your plans? I think we've been talking about that this whole time a little bit, but yeah, I mean, I'm going to submit dickhead. I mean, the plan is to focus on submitting dickhead and then finishing it for submissions into festivals. So we're going to start that. That's where we're at. Once we got picture locked, that's where we're fucking at and we got to do it and we got to do it in time.
02:31:20
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And we're trying to figure out the best way to do all of that and afford to not become bankrupt. finishing the first day time So.
02:31:31
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so You know, we're kind of in a good spot right now. We're in an exciting spot. We can submit to Sundance and South by Southwest via work in progress. And then if it should get accepted, we can then finish it in time for those. If not, then we go down the line of the festivals we can submit to and see where we end up. Yeah. And we will say dickhead to be.
02:32:02
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Or not to be. You know, I've been doing that. If you hear from us in three months, to be or not to be. I was thinking about this, dude, and it's like. ah
02:32:19
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It would almost be like too much validation. Like our egos would not be able to handle like dick hits a guy. Pretty bad. Yeah. Like, could you like, literally, I just want you to like take a second and like, I don't want to do that. and i I don't want that. Like we said, like, this is like fishing board. Who knows? You know, like they can actually, work they can actually premieres at Sundance midnight.
02:32:49
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Oh, dude. Dude, does your head just fucking explode? Like, does it go through the sky? Because it's like, you know, could you imagine writing that fucking Facebook post? Because you know we're going to have to write that fucking Facebook post. Well, then people will be proud. but No, no, no. But you know we're going to have to write that, and it's going to be like, yeah, we we took so long, but guess what, bitches? Fucking Sundance.
02:33:16
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I mean, in reality, it's going to be like... We're the Lacerne Valley Festival.
02:33:24
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It's played at the 7-Eleven. And we're going to submit it to Steve and he's going to be like, well, you know, maybe next year, guys. It's like, damn, boy, we it. And we'd be like, yeah, well, you know.
02:33:45
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We accept two years back, but... Oh my god, we finished this bottle, dude. Thanks to the Irish. To the Irish, yeah, to the fucking Irish. I should fucking go, I tell you what. ah Okay. um But dude, like maybe i I hate the dream, i i and i'm like I just like... Well, it's good to get excited about it. I am excited about it, and it's just like...
02:34:11
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But I'm the kind of kid, like, I can't play the lotto because I think I'll win. Oh yeah, you're not gonna win, too. Like, buddy, we're not gonna win. You know? But we have to. We have to. But, like, I know myself well enough that I don't play the lotto because I know.
02:34:27
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I'm gonna save that $2 for the hot dog instead No, give me a corn dog because dude I'm gonna be so fucking like heartbroken when it's like every dream I had is just crushed because I believe so hard I like how happy it would be if I won to get in the high Desert Field Festival to clutch ah And that's kind of how I feel about dickhead in a sense that where it's like, I believe in it so much that it's like, how could it not? and We'll just see. And I am so scared because I saw that short. What did you say, man?
02:35:10
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I saw it and then I just, you know, we've we've always talked about it. It's the biggest fear. It's that we don't see it. We only don't see that. that that and and That is a huge fear, but I'll also say this. If we just finish this film, I'm fine. No, no, no, but I mean... But what I... That's still scary though, right? No, let's finish this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. no But I mean like, but be real with me, Brody.
02:35:39
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That shit's scary, right? Like, to be that, because like, you know what that, you know, that guy's like, he, I don't know if he gets better than that? Like, I don't know. Oh, if that's us? Yeah. Uh, no. That's what I'm talking about, dude. No, I don't think that's us. That, no, maybe, oh God. and I just realized how fucking high. Dude, I sound like such a douche fuck.
02:36:07
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Fuck. I'm so sorry. so What are we talking about? I'm such a douche. No, you're not. I love you.
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02:36:15
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It's your birthday. but man but What? What are we talking about? I mean, that.
02:36:27
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short we were that you shared with me that we were talking about. Yeah. And I was just saying, and you know, I've been like- You think that could be our delusion? Yeah. And I feel like that's like touch a such a Such a douchey thing to think of that as a delusion. Like, dude, if he likes it, he likes it. Like,
02:36:50
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And like us, if we like it, we like it. And there's a commonality that we can share. Because I just feel like so it just kind of dawned on me. But we're different, dude. Because I think when Dickhead comes out and it's rejected by everyone, we'll be like, let's just never tell anyone about this again.
02:37:09
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I'll see you next Friday, buddy. We're going to do another podcast. Yeah. And we're going to work on that anthology film. It's going to be the next decade. But, you know, I think that's our reality is like we're doing the best we can. We have realistic expectations, which is, yeah, if we get it to anything that is actually seen by people, we're in. Yeah, we just that's the thing is that's like.
02:37:36
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Is that that's the true narcissism of me? Oh, yeah, you wanted to do a podcast. I want nothing more than to sit in that audience and feel that disgusting feeling of watching it. The film, like I know I'm just going to just I won't be able to like really like it's going to feel so weird.
02:37:58
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If it ever happens, it's going to be so fucking weird. Well, someone's going to see it because we got to show people. No, no, no, I know. But I mean, like we've never really watched it with an audience. But that's what I'm saying. Like it's going to be so I'm just imagining my dreams where we watch it with a theater and we're just we just take an acid is because it's the only way that we actually are going to make it through the screening because it's like so transcendent in a way because It's like, a
02:38:34
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you know God, dude, it's so pretentious, but it's so true. And it's like, for so long, you and I have just given everything to try and make this the best that we can.
02:38:53
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yeah And like, yeah, you know, maybe it's not the best, whatever. Who gives a fuck? It's not. It has its issues. We've got to acknowledge that. We do. But it's also got a lot more than that. And that's what we hope for.
02:39:06
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And that's what we hope for. And that's what we know that we kind of have. It's got more- Wow. What we hope for, right? I think even if- Even if- You know, John's got to save us a little bit. That's all I'm saying. John- John's got to save us. I think John's going to say, I'm not worried about John. I'm not worried about John. I'm not worried about Adam or Pat. I think if we had to like just settle- No, sound is covered in good- Yes.
02:39:32
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but But what I'm saying is this, and then let me get this point out, buddy, real quick. And it's like. it Why are you rubbing your hands together so much? Dude, you're like a fucking villain. You're like, yes, Mr. I'm just thinking, dude.
02:39:59
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I mean. I want to... it's just Man, it's so weird to say, I guess. Just say it, buddy. No one's listening. It's fair. Shit, that's fair. It's just like, I want to believe that we aren't fucking crazy. like Of course we're crazy, but that's the beauty of it.
02:40:21
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i I want to believe that there's a pulse and I can't believe anything else because it feels so alive in a way. It's so close. Because it's like, you know, it's like from the inception and from the the that everything about it is just like kind of been like this, almost like this pregnancy. And I don't want to pretend like we understand what it's like to be pregnant, you know, like have a baby inside of us. Oh, you think we're pregnant? Okay. But like, you know, from incubation to inception, like, you know, this- Inception? We had sent it together? Yes.
02:41:08
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like We have kind of like you know fostered and raised this bastard child to every step of the way and and um and with working with like Adam and Pat and John and Jorge and maybe a colorist if we can afford it. like i don't know if i I want us to do the color only because I don't, but if you do. I mean, it depends on what we could afford. I mean, it just comes out of that. but That's true. Like, ah I guess it's, so you know, I like having that idea of someone that's doing the the work because we don't really have the time to like... I think we need the break and I think we need to focus on the marketing. Yeah.
02:41:52
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but I mean, I kind of pretty good trailer. Did you see that? You did. But we still got to put together like synopsis and log lines and like biographies and all that other. show Oh, no. Yeah. Lots lots to do with that. But the thing is like. Well, I guess I mean, the two people we did talk to with color, like I think we could have worked with.
02:42:17
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in the sense that like we could have been like, this is what we want, give us this, and then there're they just work until we get that, and then we let them go with it. Get back to work. Right. It's like like if we were got more detail where it was like, no, like bring the contrast back, lower the color. Yeah. um And then they're like, OK, like this. And it's like, yes. And then you're like, go for it. You got it. And they work on the rest of the project. You know what I mean? Like, so far. You know what, buddy? I think you think too lightly of color, man. Thinking too lightly of color, man. It's not that. It's just.
02:42:59
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And VFX. It's what you hate. I do. So much. But we need it. I don't want it. We need it. Just to see the fact of to fix. No, to fix is right. I love it as a tool. That's all my to fix. I want one seed, God damn you. One seed. And I'm giving you that because you wanted more and I know you did.
02:43:23
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Well, we could discuss that later. I know you do. We still got to figure out the shots, OK? We could discuss. Motherfucker, I could read you like a fucking book. There might just be a couple more. I could read you like Anne Frank could read Braille. Maybe a couple more, but we're getting there. We're getting there. Did I say Anne Frank? Yeah. Could read Braille? Yeah, she could. I mean, uh.
02:43:50
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Oh wait, and Frank, yeah, you bet that, uh, Barry Keller. What's her name? Anna Karina.
02:43:59
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man Helen Keller. Helen Keller, yeah. Why did I say Anne Frank? What the fuck? I agree with you though. There's a weird connection in between Anne Frank and Helen Keller. I don't know exactly what it is.
02:44:15
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But there's something there. Speaking of marketing. Well, buddy, you know, that's one thing. I don't know. What were we just talking about? Uh, Helen Keller and Dickhead. No, before that. Dickhead. What we were we talking about with Dickhead? Um, it gets out there. Coloring? Yeah.
02:44:41
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Well, speaking of marketing, that's our next maker.
02:44:48
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What the fuck, maker? but the Major. Jesus Christ, I think that was a G. Okay, you ready? Speaking of marketing, it's going to be our next major focus with the podcast and our audience. Everyone listening to this is no one.
02:45:15
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being a big proponent moving forward with what's to come for the film. And so do you kind of see that the same, that like essentially- I like how that wasn't a question, what you ran and then you're like- Bringing on guests and growing the podcast um that way to also like promote Dickhead I'm almost like what osmosis of like people knowing who we are and then that this man that sounds gross people knowing who we are but um Yeah, I mean that's what we're doing. So essentially in Kalabunga man Yeah,
02:45:53
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what was the question As um, you know as we're moving forward with the marketing like what is that? Something I I wanna do? Is that what you're thinking about? Of course, of course. We have to, including with the podcast. Right, the podcast is part of the... To me, I thought of it always as a whole. But exactly, that's part of the reason why we did the podcast was just at least have the conversation going about dickhead too, right? Yeah.
02:46:25
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Um, so that the six people that listened are like, well, no we're gonna wash your dick and we'll be there. We'll get six to be, you know, I was thinking, man, I think we might have bots listening to us. A lot of bots. Good. I think we have a lot of bots. I think we're very pro bot. We're very pro bot. But, uh, what, what was the question again? Like very poppets and shit. I mean, if anyone sees it.
02:46:54
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No, man, who cares? Let's get to the next one. Oh, shit. Getting back on track with the podcast and continuing the criterion. Yeah. You know, I was just thinking, just getting back to just doing this, talking about movies, bullshitting. Yeah. Just kind of like using this as also like kind of like a reset for us to like,
02:47:16
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Disgust things get things out. Yeah um You know, we can just say whatever the fuck we want on this thing and it's well, you know like as because we're trying to you but because we're using the Conversations to figure things out. Well, that's what I was gonna say like one of the best things about this at least for me is doing it is that I get to ping pong off of you. Yeah. You know, like talk about dickhead like, oh, yeah, the best element of the film is the characters. It is. So you got to make them shine.
02:47:51
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um And just, you know, kind of like, hey, what do you think about this? And what's your point of view about this? I'm like, OK, yeah, no, Tom, don't fucking talk.
02:48:05
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yeah You know what's so egotistical hu is I wish there was another podcast that was like ours. I'm sure there are, but there's saturation. i mean i never really That's our problem, right? There's so many of us. No, but I've never really found on their show where it's just like two people really talking it out.
02:48:28
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And that's what we do. We're just like, we have, I we i mean, mostly, i I mean, since I write the show notes, it's like, I just pick random topics. You sometimes, you throw in news and topics. yeah And it's like, then we just go from there and it's and it's like, there's nothing more that we could do. We're just talking about shit. Like we're just being ourselves talking about things and we're trying to figure things out and do it the best we can. Yeah.
02:48:56
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And if we have no talent and we're hacks, we're still trying the best that we can. Yeah. And it's like, even if it's just for us, then guess what? Like we're an audience of two, like, you know, it's like playing Contra man. Do you put in the, uh, cheat code? You know, I do until I learn. Cause I just like.
02:49:17
Speaker
Saving time. You know what? I do. And I never stop. Because I'm not that good. And I need some help. Please, audience, help us. We need help. um But yeah, one thing is just like, we talked about this and I... Oh, Criterion. What about Criterion? And I just finished listening to the Making of Psycho book that was written in the 90s.
02:49:46
Speaker
Talked about all about Alfred Hitchcock and the Making of Psycho. Yeah. And Psycho is the next movie on the Criterion List. And we're supposed to do a special episode for it. That's why we haven't done it. Yeah, and I was... And we're too lazy to actually do it. Yeah, and it's like I really want to do that. It's supposed to be like a commentary episode where we start the movie and then we tell you when we're starting the movie and...
02:50:10
Speaker
Oh, that's how you want it to be. Yeah. And then we talk about no shit. So you got to watch it and like no shit. We know we don't got to watch it and no shit. We just got to watch it and make commentary. Oh, right. Where you're like, you I think it'd be better if you didn't know.
02:50:25
Speaker
I don't know the shit. That's good because then you are just watching it and you're seeing it like... Well, you know the shit? I do. And you'll be like, Steven, let me tell you. Yes. I'll be like, did you know there was a conspiracy about how the artist Saul Bass storyboarded the sour scene and then he shot it on a little tiny IMO and everyone believed that he directed the scene and everyone on the crew was like, what are you talking about? After Hitchcock directed that scene and we didn't shoot it on an IMO, we shot it on a real camera.
02:50:55
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And there was a huge controversy with that and also there was a big controversy that a Japanese crew was flown in to film the scene because it was so
Filmmaking Challenges and Personal Reflection
02:51:04
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racy and the a crew wasn't okay with shooting a nude actress that was the body double for Janet Lee. Did you seriously just take a swig of your big mug of water? Yes. Yeah, no, I didn't know any of that.
02:51:20
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And I will tell you that, and more.
02:51:28
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Like, did you know that the get the actor that played Arvigast in the film? rat a gas get to say the o I'm a guest. He's the private detective. Did you know that scene was a super hard to film? His murder scene was super hard to film and like they had to ah balance a camera like on the rafters. with like they threw out And there was like three people because the guy that was holding the camera couldn't follow focus so that they had to have another person dangling from the ceiling follow focusing. That's like us for dickhead. Yeah.
02:52:05
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The film was shot for a million dollars on that for his cost budget, except we're like very in fall fall. God damn it. We're not we're not psycho. We're psycho. Yeah.
02:52:20
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Do you worry about that? Cause you know, you have some high hopes for a dickhead, you know, and it's going to be humbling. We're going to be, we're going to learn, you know, Jesus Christ always talk about humiliation. And Jesus said, a man should know the path of humiliation. Cause it makes you more like humble. and I only have one goal of dickhead.
02:52:44
Speaker
I want to watch it in an audience full of people. Yeah, that's it. You'll get that. Then then I will be completely fulfilled. We're gonna get that. Then I will be completely fulfilled because
02:53:00
Speaker
To me, the value of the learning experience and just essentially are maturing as filmmakers, like sure we could have made like five shitty movies and maybe pushed out something, but we would probably be way broker and way like more burnt out on the process. I don't think we could do more than one.
02:53:25
Speaker
Like now that since we've done this, we're only kind of hungrier for the next thing because now we were like. Oh, we can do this. Yeah. Like that's how I feel. I'm so hungry for the next project. Like when we're talking about the anthology and you're talking about it and it's like, even though like I see that that sheet that you're building, it's like so in depth and so technical and it's going to be like 600 lines long by the time you finish of every scene and all the shots and everything like that. And it's like,
02:53:58
Speaker
It's so worth it. It's so worth it because, goddamn, the whole experience was amazing. And the fact that we've learned in any degree would make the next time It's just that much better and that much closer to what is ultimately the greatest experience we can have in life. And that's being there dicken a filmmaker, paid filmmakers. I mean, like, I, you know, that's, that's the problem with acid. yeah what Yeah. Remember when we were at the cabin?
02:54:41
Speaker
Yeah. And we were working on the movie. Yeah. And that was like kind of all we did. And then we kind of watched movies in between and we were talking about shit. But like, and everyone was like, you're not going to, we're just going to blah, blah, blah. And then like a whole thing, we proved them wrong. So.
02:54:56
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Like, we proved everyone so wrong. No one talked to us ever again. Like, that's not fucking wrong. We proved everybody.
02:55:07
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Like. Right. Like, but do you remember we were out there? Yeah. And we were like just, you know, we had taken a tab. And we were looking at stuff. Did we do a tab in the cabin? Yeah, we did.
02:55:23
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here Our half, maybe? I think we did a half each. We worked so fucking hard. Oh, we worked hard. And tom I just remember we were working on scenes and it was just like...
02:55:41
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Life doesn't really get better than this in a sense. That's what I've been saying, man. And it's like, I know you mentioned like, oh, you know, I don't, I wouldn't want to edit any of my future projects or. Nope. You've said that, you know, and I was just thinking like.
02:55:58
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Dude, there is so much fun like just exploring the footage with you and going and like us just bouncing off each other where you're like, give me that frame, maybe just give me that. I want to go to, you know, Slumet, man, he said four. I want to go six. I want to go eight. It's more modern, right? Like people go longer and they go faster and you're like, give me eight, give me 16. And I'm like, all right, let's try it. Let's try it. Eight is always the number, man. Always eight. And then you move at eight and I'm like, yeah, it's good. And then you're like, well, I don't know. I think you hit it right. And then I'm like,
02:56:37
Speaker
Let's just leave Oh, are you sure, buddy? Let's leave the egg. Okay. And we watch it back and I'm like, okay, let's add eight more. Yeah, that's true. And then it's because you're like... You're like, no, buddy, let's do it. And then I'm like, you're probably right. Okay, let's cut this whole scene.
02:57:04
Speaker
I was like, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. But yeah, because I was thinking about that, I was like, dude, that I would never want to not edit our projects just if it's me and you like doing it, right? Like, but dude, especially if we have things labeled all right, and we could just drop it in with the scratch audio and then, you know, we just give the rest to Adam. No, dude, all I can say is like, if the future pans out in any way,
02:57:34
Speaker
that we could dream. This is the moments we're going to look back on, man. Oh, yeah. You know, and I think that's for every filmmaker. It's just that budding hope that turns into a reality. Yeah. You know, the funniest thing is We're both barefoot right now. And it's the symbol of if this pans out, we're gonna be broke as fuck. who if Hey man, dickhead two at the ticket need right, buddy? you Did you need some more of this, buddy? No, I'm good. Is that the last of it? I think we're getting to the... That's all you, buddy.
02:58:16
Speaker
No, that wasn't all you who jesus Jesus Christ. That was like 10 bottles. Give me some of that shit. You got to take some of this. Jesus Christ. not
02:58:31
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That's good. Hey, you're home. But yeah, man, like, but, you know, seriously, my to the back, what I was saying about the goal is
02:58:45
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the The thing is the hunger is there for the next project because man, I've been a loser so long I know how to lose and it's you just get better every time. Yeah. And the excuses get better. And the thing is, uh,
02:59:04
Speaker
My belief and my hope, and it's like when I was playing Starcraft or if I was learning to Magic the Gathering or trying to to get better at Counter-Strike or whatever it is. i've ever you know what A lot of people might be like, I try to learn how to increase my 100 meter or like in a baseball. you know
02:59:30
Speaker
More tests per minute. More strikes per minute. you know this is the Yeah, buddy, that's all it took. That's all you need. Just a little bit more, man. Yeah, buddy, that's all you need. Just a little bit more. Am I connecting with the audience, buddy? You're connecting with me, man.
02:59:55
Speaker
But you know what i'm saying like i know it's like the nerdiest way of explaining of how i want to never get good at things. um And it was like you have to learn and it and the thing is.
03:00:11
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um There will always be a heavy place in my heart for ah how long it took. yeah But i I don't want to be stupid and think it's something I should dwell upon because at the end of the day, we got we got here and we're here. and as And there was never really any doubt that we wouldn't get here to for me. No.
03:00:39
Speaker
And the fact that we're pretty much like Really just have to like try to figure out who the fuck people's names are so you can put them in the credits Like like that's where we're at like we're we're in such a good spot and like I said As long as we get to a place where I'm proud of it Yeah, but you know you're proud of it. I don't really care Beyond that like I know I get say if it does it if if Lucerne Valley Film Festival rejects us, you know, and we're showing it in our backyards. Shit, man. I'm, I'm proud of what we did, dude. You know?
03:01:22
Speaker
and i think the thing i would be I would be greatly disappointed if that was the case just because i I really do believe in the film. Well, no, I'm not saying I don't believe in the film. No, I'm not saying you're not. i i'm just i'm just I know you're being realistic, buddy. I know you're being more grounded where it's like, the best we got is Fat Reaper. Oh, God.
03:01:49
Speaker
No, but- Dickhead premiered to 16 people that got hired in the garage. It's not even that. It's just like you said, ah Zoe Kravitz's directorial debut is going to be at Sundance. Is that what you said or something? Something like that, yeah.
03:02:06
Speaker
It's something like that. I don't know what I say. I say a lot of shit. But you know what I'm saying? Like, that's who we're going to go up against. And yeah, that's like, oh, shit, man, I was climbing hills. You're like the Himalayas. Motherfucker, that's why I want you to get good at punch out.
03:02:26
Speaker
We're a little mad. We're a little mad, man. And you know what? We're just going to swing for the fences and we're going to be like Maryland signs, man. We're just going to swing away. Yeah. And we just got to hope the aliens are dumb enough to be alerted to water. Exactly. We're going to knock a motherfucker out. Like, like that, that's all that matters to me is that I get to a place where I'm like, yep, Tom, we suck. You know, we just suck. I don't know what to tell you where we don't.
03:02:56
Speaker
Our egos are bigger than our perspectives of, ah you know, objectivity. That's so, so crushing, right? Like, I know the thing was is, it's like, you know what? Hold on, hold on, hold on one second, one second, please, please. But if anyone needs to get there, it's us. Okay, and you know it. Yeah, you're a physical bastard. Yes. You're right. You know what? God damn you, you're right. God damn it. Yeah, you're right. but I just want to say um there would definitely be some cosmic justice in a sense if
03:03:38
Speaker
Anything at all happens no anything at all other than the fucking backyard Please like but sure we'll do that But like you know what I mean like but but see that's also my other thing is like we have poured so much into this where I am proud of Where it where it falls like pride is you know pride is yes, pra i I am proud of it.
03:04:03
Speaker
I've watched this movie a lot. Yeah. Way too many times. And we haven't even really even seen it yet because they're the sound like we're so like there's a point of the audience we cannot dictate or decide what I'm saying is like the thing is. As of right now, we still haven't really seen it.
03:04:26
Speaker
with an audience? No, we still haven't really seen it. Dude, I turned that volume up and down. No, I mean like, dude, once Adam and Pat have got an Adam, Adam, Pat and John have got that stuff down and the, the color is done and the VFX, everything looks exactly how it's supposed to look. That is when we'll know we've seen it. And then we can be like,
03:04:56
Speaker
Damn, dude, it shit. No, of course not. But like the thing is like. I guess I wait like he said, of course not. Of course not. It's we have a realistic perspective for this film. Yeah. And we're proud for where we are. And we're in a good spot, man. We pushed hard and we fought hard. and Yeah, man. Like what we dug deep. What this film could have been like, regardless of anything, it's like, and trust me, it could be worse. You know, when people see it, it's like,
03:05:32
Speaker
Well, you know, it'd be like, oh, trust us. Oh, you poor child. Thank you. Thank you for giving us a moment of your life. It could be so much worse. And we've gotten to a point where You know, we're yeah, it could be much worse, but other people would have had to have made it like this is the best that we can deliver. And I'm going to that's all I need. Yeah, that's why I need for this. And if we should ever go on to get accepted anywhere or denied everywhere. Yeah, that's going to be so crushing because there's the. ah
03:06:17
Speaker
Just the belief that you did something worthwhile, but at the same time, it's like. You can't decide that. You just have to do the best you can. And I guess everyone else will decide that because there's stuff that's so popular and it's like, Oh, why? And there's stuff that's so overlooked and it's like, Oh, why? Yeah. And those are the best case scenarios. Cause I've actually seen them. Then there's the stuff that I haven't seen that doesn't exist. I guess I'm, I'm looking at.
03:06:58
Speaker
I don't know. It's tough to say when I'm like... There's oversaturation. There is, yes, but I'm thinking about, you know, we went to the big bit that Big Bear Festival,
03:07:11
Speaker
Green Jack. We're going to be in Green Jack. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, look, we went and saw the Green Jack films, you know, we've seen
03:07:23
Speaker
all the the films that like have like everyone that's been on the show like we've watched their movies yeah and to their varying successes from you know like propelling the filmmakers to you know done it um
03:07:52
Speaker
to, I mean, that film's successful in its own right. then That's good, man, because we're gonna be successful in our own right. I'm gonna say, like, I don't know, like, damn, I hate the, fucking, it's like so egotistical, but I just,
03:08:14
Speaker
I don't know, man. It's elitist. It's narcissist. I feel like we're just, you know, we got something. look You and I. but Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Look at it this way. I'm holding. They loved what they got. And we love what we got. But you know, it's probably the same thing.
03:08:36
Speaker
Jared and Clark were saying when they hit that submit on that film Freeway and then that serial killer was like, I want to like your movie. kiss But you know, I feel like that's a little bit unfair because I really like i really liked their movie.
03:08:54
Speaker
And yeah, exactly. That's my point. I mean, the thing is, of course, I think could have had things done better, just like with our film. like yeah anyway You don't think that's our film? That's our film. No, but that's what I'm saying is like, we took 10 years to get here, dude.
03:09:18
Speaker
Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years? Who else has done this for 10 years And that's what um that's what good filmmaking is about, is sincerity, man. All I'll say is... ah That's all we can lean on. if we If the film does more than we expect, or the more more than we can hope...
Storytelling Techniques and Humor in Scripts
03:10:06
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ah Good luck. Yeah, dude. good
03:10:11
Speaker
Steven and I will not be in a good state of mind in the sense that like, you have no idea. like We also pushed it. I mean, the if you pay attention, if you figure it out, the brother kills his sister, it makes sweet sweet love to her. The thing is, with the first few it's all if you figure it out, and if if you pay attention, it's all there. And we made sure of it.
03:10:38
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Well, yeah. And then, sure there are things that don't flow as smoothly as they could, but we made sure everything is there. With what we could do.
03:10:50
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We didn't forget shit. Everything is there. The only thing that we were actually worried about, no one brought up as an issue. And I have no idea why no one brought that up as an issue. And maybe there were so many other issues it was like. And I know exactly, you know, exactly what I'm talking about. Of course I do. And it's about- It's always been the issue. It's always been the issue. And if I say the word knife, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, I do. It's been the issue.
03:11:17
Speaker
No one brought it up. Not a single person. It's just a little bit strange. And it's like, is everyone clueless or did we, did we, are we the greatest con men in the world? Oh, we're definitely con men. Like, exactly. Like, are we Donald Trump or are, are we, uh, Mitch McConnell? No. What's that guy's name from, uh, that movie?
03:11:47
Speaker
He's got like the pasta sauce, um Paul Newman. Paul Newman? He's the greatest con man. Yeah, he's that. Oh, cool head, Luke. No. What? Con man.
03:12:05
Speaker
ah Jesus Christ. Clark recommended it. It's one of his favorite movies when Jared and Clark are on. um Paul Newman's a crook. Paul Newman is like the main character. They're con men. They run along con on this guy. It's like horse racing.
03:12:26
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ah
03:12:29
Speaker
Oh, God. If we have any audience just yelling at me right now. Jesus, I don't ever heard of it. ah Paul, let me let me take a minute. You got something? I have editing, man. Don't worry. Paul, Newman. I mean, it doesn't exist. where We're good.
03:12:52
Speaker
This thing oh the sting There's a movie called the sting that just came out recently. It's with like a black widow from space It's pretty good black widow from if you like arachnophobia. Oh So this won't fulfill you but you'll still like it Did you ever see arachnophobia, oh, yeah and John Candy and ah That's one of those films of their time, right? Like, unless you grew up around then, you ain't seen the rectaphobia. Oh, yeah. But that's a good film. Oh, yeah, dude, that's a great one. this fucking spider like Dude, I remember that shit's freaky, you know, you're checking the toilet and it's like, what the fuck? It's all biting your ass like, damn. This is a good TP, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. Talkin' spiders. Man, shit. it's just Yeah, you know, I mean, there's a lot of movies like that, but... But those are the cool ones to see, because yeah because those really exemplify, like, the era. Like, virtuosity.
03:14:00
Speaker
It's such a film of its time, right? Oh, yes. You know, it's like no, ain't no one talking about that one. It's like hackers. It's like, oh, God, exactly. Speaking of guests, did you want to i'll do we're getting close to the end?
03:14:19
Speaker
Guests, bringing on more crew types. And we're always supposed to have done that. We just kind of stopped everything. And spread the show. And our influence around the world. Our influence. Okay. Don't worry. We'll be benevolent rulers. We're pinky in the brain, huh? And you're the brain. Look at your fucking head, dude. It's like a square. We're in trouble, man. I'm pinky. We're in trouble around the brain. No. What are we going to do tonight, Tom?
03:14:47
Speaker
We're gonna podcast. We're gonna talk about... Liquid IV, ladies and gentlemen. I'm here to look what I mean. Liquid IV. So we can get 16 cents. We have the promo code. Twin shot of podcasts. My buddy ready to read a script? This is a crazy one. When aren't they? Since we haven't podcasted in a while, I have a whole bunch of these ready to go. Perfect.
03:15:19
Speaker
So you tell me, i mean you have you have a bunch of these written ready to go. Yeah. I'm sorry. But. And all of the ones you've written so far, where does this one rank? I like this one a lot. Is this like one of your favorites you've written? No.
03:15:37
Speaker
Really I want to say It's uh, my favorite that I've ever written is thinking McGee That's pretty good. No, no, no, but I just mean within this time span that's past Oh, yeah, it's like five years since we've been on there's been a there was a really depressing one I wrote but and I was like sure read that one. I was like, no Tom don't want to read it. That's not no it was yeah, that's we should read that one. We can do it next time They stick around. Twin Shadows podcast episode 127. We read the sad one. Where does this one rank? It's pretty high. Yeah. And how many did you write? Four. Four. So there's the... ah
03:16:21
Speaker
What is the title? It's the ah the strange circumstance of young men in therapy or the the strength the curious happenings of young men in therapy or something like that. It's about a therapist interviewing strange young men. That's what it's about. I don't have to tell you. That's pretty good. There is the incredible case of the invisible person.
03:16:45
Speaker
Which we will weird will yeah you read soon. There's one called Far Out. Far Out is the sad one about say to a psycho, not drug addict that's trying to kill herself oh in a Sylvia Plath style with rocks in her pockets where she meets- Virginia Virginia Woolf, yeah, and Sylvia Plath maybe did that too. I don't know. Virginia Woolf killed herself like that. Rocks in the pockets.
03:17:12
Speaker
And then she meets and impregnates a crocodile that gives birth to some shadows that okay ah do something crazy, and then um she gets eaten by crocodiles.
03:17:31
Speaker
All while listening to Night on Bald Mountain. Wow. Yeah. I dig it, man. That's called Far Out. Far Out, man. Yeah. Yeah. and And then there's the last script that I wrote, which I got like a title because I can't remember what it's called. Oh, one second, please. ah You said edit. Oh, wrong folder. Let's go to script folder.
03:18:00
Speaker
ah Oh, it's called the curious happenings involving young men in therapy. That's the title. Okay. But this is- Oh, and the other one is called A Very Sharp Knife. And you wrote that. Yes. Okay. ah About A Very Sharp Knife. So this is number three? This is probably Far out is probably the best one I've written. Yeah, so then this one is number four. Number two. Number two. The worst one is easily a very sharp time. This one is The Incredible Case of the Invisible Person, written by Tom Casper. So come on, Mr. Director, who's the narrator, who's the characters, you know, all this. You're the narrator. Okay.
03:18:54
Speaker
I'm gonna do Mickey Mouse. Oh, God. Oh, no. You ready? Oh, yeah, I'm ready. Let's fucking do this. Oh, yeah, I'm fucking ready.
03:19:11
Speaker
Fade in, reel number one. Exit L-L-A back alley night. A group of tourists, people, stumbles down a back alley on vacation in Los Angeles, California. They are intoxicated. They hear high-pitched grunting noises. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. And pull out their phones. Oh, yeah, take that, you little bitch.
03:19:40
Speaker
A full-grown infamous rich liberty known as mouse person is humping the air wildly. You're the tourist. You can pick a touristy accent. What's a touristy accent? Like, pick a good accent that's not and your normal accent. That won't get us canceled. Can you do something white? Okay, do whatever you want.
03:20:10
Speaker
um Damn. Surfer dude. No, we can't do surfer dude. Can we- Give me something. I'm high. Can you do southern? Midwestern? What's the difference? Definitely a difference. Can you give me an example? Yeah, southern should be like... Is this southern?
03:20:38
Speaker
Y'all gonna go, and you know, be down there and, you know, oh my God, look at that guy. He's a, look, everyone is that famous homeless dude. But it's supposed to be more like a surf. What's, what's the Midwestern one? The Midwestern one's like, uh, you know, uh, what's the difference? Oh yeah, I think now.
03:20:59
Speaker
Look, everybody. Look, everybody. It's that famous very homeless dude now. Something Jamaican. You're pretty good as a tourist. ah Okay, we did it. There's that. Look, everybody. It's that famous homeless dude.
03:21:16
Speaker
ah Cut to cell phone footage. Mouse humps away as tourists inch closer. Oh, invisible person. God damn, you're so fucking good.
03:21:27
Speaker
Invisible person, you crazy mouse person. So what about it? Got a hole? That's enough for me. Freeze frame. Cut to spring newspaper. biing newspapers Spinning Spinning newspaper. This just said, famous mouse bangs invisible person. Quote, don't care, boy, girl, I found a hole. Other news articles commenting on the incident. Fade out.
03:21:59
Speaker
Fade in, reel number two.
Comedic Skits with Invisible Characters
03:22:02
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Anterior boo, boo? What set day? A set with white walls, white floor with brick circles set in random patterns.
03:22:16
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Two black circular tables, each with seven different brands of milk. Blue ones, like hot ones. Oh, blue ones.
03:22:32
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uh white circle napkins have a shot glass on them filled with milk one table sits empty across from the empty table sits internet person a bald flannel wearing type of person Hello, and welcome to our show. Moon Ones, our guest is the up and coming biggest celebrity, invisible person. Welcome to the show. Awkward silence, silence, silence. Well, okay. On this show, we have an interview with normally means we talk back and forth and drink this very chilly milk. Mm, frosty cheers.
03:23:16
Speaker
IP lists his first shot glasses slowly s sips of milk forming a milk mustache. Mmm. Nothing happens at the table. Silence. So invisible person. Uh, what was it like having sex with a reclusive billionaire?
03:23:37
Speaker
Yeah, that video was pretty hot. It's TB. You might need this milk to cool you down. Nothing happens at the other table.
03:23:48
Speaker
Okay, what the fuck is this shit? IP pushes off the table and pouts out a frame shouting, Are they even here? Like what the fuck? Did everyone even check? What do I pay these fucking interns for? Camera holds on the empty two shot from the show's camera. a new A straw floats from under the table and lands in one of the shot glasses. The milk drinks. That straw slurpy noise is loud and apparent. IP rushes back to his seat.
03:24:25
Speaker
ah So sorry ah for the outburst. We can edit that out. um Don't worry at all. It happens all the time. If needed a straw, what why didn't you just ask? Are you there? Did you walk way off again? IP gets out of his chair and walks over, ah hesitantly poking at the empty chair.
03:24:47
Speaker
When an invisible person grabs their wrist. Oh, there you are. Oh, nice to meet you. A weird wet sound starts happening. IP's eyes grow wide and his forearm freezes stiff. Oh God, please. No, don't. The camera slides up. IP's hard, but it's your IP screams.
03:25:17
Speaker
newspaper spin. No, where do I got to go? tort A A torrid? Page 4. A torrent of shit erupts from a tub. Tube remaining along IPs are spraying his face. Freeze frame. Newspaper. Smith. This just in. A visible person, lactose intolerant, arrested for sexual assault. Other news articles about how science can't figure out. Invisible person. Another saying, a visible person, is just misunderstood.
03:25:50
Speaker
One with an interview from Amber Heard about how sometimes what a person has to do in a visible poop fade out. Real number three, interior scientist lab day and a pool thrown together, science lab, a man in a white coat wearing a fake white haired wig piece around the room, scientist person. Interesting.
03:26:16
Speaker
After hours of cyclitical analysis, I have determined the subject is in fact invisible.
03:26:27
Speaker
Further study should hope to result in more results. S.P. moves over to the table and reaches out for an invisible person who is not there. Scientists firstly continued. It appears as though I have lost sight of the subject. Reaching a bit more, he grabs him. Oh, there you are. Oh, Steve. S.P. pulls out a huge syringe spraying green liquid into the air.
03:27:02
Speaker
Newspaper spin! This just in! Invisible person goes to court! Fade out, fade in. Rule number four, interior court day. A courtroom packed with people sits at an empty chair sits at the defendant's table, bailiff. All rise for the honorable judge person. Lawyer person is your client standing. Lawyer person reaches out and pulls invisible person.
03:27:29
Speaker
Not the honorable Judge Person. Now. ah Judge Person rushes into the courtroom. ah Who's JP? Is that? Judge Person. Who's Judge Person? Do you want me to be Judge Person? Be Judge Person. And you're going to be LP. LP? Lawyer Person? Yeah. Okay.
03:27:52
Speaker
Let's see if you can pull it off. Thank you. You may all be seated. First off, I know this is an unusual case. And it burns birds, birds. This court will hold to strict no-nonsense policy. Now we have some circumstances that may make this case. Your honor.
03:28:14
Speaker
Sorry to interrupt, but this trial is a farce. Now, no one has any eyewitness testimony that my client, Invisible Person, was even there. Nor could they positively be identified as being in this courtroom now. Do not interrupt me again, Lawyer Person, as I was saying. Invisible Person, this is a case of some unnaturalness.
03:28:45
Speaker
Would you please speak and identify for the court who you are? Everyone claims you to be. Silence. The chair next to LP slides out. Footsteps can be heard, an otherwise silent courtroom. Now there is no need to approach the bench. Just stand and speak your name. Steps stop.
03:29:14
Speaker
Papers ruffle on the bench next to JP. In an instant, he freezes, his eyes wide. One hand me this instant! JP shakes, but is unable to raise, move his arms. Then something invisible slides over his head. Oh god, please somebody! Help! Help!
03:29:40
Speaker
JP bubbles as you as he has trouble breathing. A wet sloshing noise as the baffle, Bailiff, returns to JP. He goes for air that never comes. As the Bailiff reaches him, a loud snap, crackle.
03:30:00
Speaker
Pop is heard from the judge's head, implodes, frees frame. News famous fan, this just in. Invisible person, ass assassinates. Judge person, everyone on the look for a visible person. Fade out, fade in. Real number five, interior science person's office day. Detective person. Who's detective person? You're a detective person. That's Bubolowski.
03:30:25
Speaker
How does bubble asking sound? I don't know. We should figure that out. We had it when we wrote it. A trench coat wearing a hard boil detective questions SP on a possible solution and capturing and seeing an invisible person. You're a scientist person. I'll be detective person. Okay. Uh, I'm science person. Yeah.
03:30:54
Speaker
After my study, I've developed the method which which I believe will work in allowing someone to see them. Just give it to me already. s SP Blush is pulling out a pair of cheap 3D glasses.
03:31:06
Speaker
The red or blue filter might allow you to see at least an outline or possibly a glow. I don't have them to test. So honestly, I have no idea if any of this will work. Great. Now we have to find them. I even know if we will be able able to see them. Is that bubble?
03:31:25
Speaker
They're finally... Oh, she finally captured them. Now put them to justice. Damn, I just hate Quives so much.
03:31:38
Speaker
DP buries his face into his hands. SP walks over, placing his hand on his head. I didn't see you at this funeral. It's this case. I need to find them.
03:31:51
Speaker
mama person was said you weren't there you know i would have if i could they look logging to logging lou longing longing lii into each other's eyes s sp boob is his head to dp's face brushing it dp crabs it pulls it away
03:32:14
Speaker
Now is not the time, scientist. I will not elect another man. If I am his enemy. We will not stop this monster. We have to stop this monster. SP taken aback, turns and walks away. The solution hits, twists, back, grabbing DP by the arms.
03:32:39
Speaker
We must go back to the source. Mouse, there are the key. I just know it. Well, it's worth a try. Hell, I just hope these cheap ass things work. It will work. I promise. The two shake hands freeze frame. Newspaper spin. This just in. Authorities ain't found shit. Fade out. Fade in. Real number six. Interior SWAT Vaughn Day. DP and a group of police people sit in the van.
03:33:08
Speaker
We have these glasses, we aren't sure which filter is the one that we need, the butt. If you find them, call it out on the radio. You know what's going on in Australia. Call it out in Australia. Call it out, mate. What the fuck's wrong with you?
03:33:27
Speaker
it's your and have gold
03:33:30
Speaker
You're the police people. Yes, sir. Fade out. That's the greatest thing I've ever written. Interior Mouse's house day. DP and PP stand at the house entrance. All wearing their 3D glasses blinking between the two filters. Sweep the house. Locate the mouse. Locate the mouse. The mouse is Stay radio contact at all times.
03:34:05
Speaker
I want all channels open. That's why we gotta figure out the police. The police talk at the end of the movie.
03:34:17
Speaker
Okay, buddy, DP. Okay, PP. PP runs off in a different direction, leaving DP alone. He stalks through the mansion, the filter, switching between the red and blue. With alternating winks, wink, wink, wink, wink, every little noise, creak, causes him to move around, holding his large pistol. The hallway is clear, and into the large main room now.
03:34:42
Speaker
Upstairs have room showing all clear. Big house for a mouse. Stay shop. DP walks slowly into the next room, which holds a massive fireplace. Mouse is sitting.
03:34:57
Speaker
Light there frozen facing the door. Well, it looks like mushroom soup dribbling out of his mouth. DP blinks and on the blue filter, he sees a glowing object sitting on a mouse's head. Blue filter eyes on target.
03:35:15
Speaker
Whispered DP the shape spins rising to its feet Mouse's head comes off like a spin top falling to the ground Rolling toward DP. He costs back a vomit Raising his pistol trained on the globe. I see you know Good god, what is that smell? Hold it right there! DP covers his face but quickly restrains his pistol on the globe. Do you not move! Take another step and I will fire! The globe passes! Fuck bullets! DP stands there, frozen. A TV static sound plays. The remote clicker sound switches DP between different actors all wearing the same clothing, holding the same position with the pistol.
03:36:05
Speaker
After six, seven switches, a groan is hurt. And the clicker stops on a much more attractive woman with her breasts out. Detective. Detective person with her butt hanging out too, then hit play. Glow charges for a DP. DP fires, bang, bang. Missed it.
03:36:34
Speaker
cut away to avoid gunfire SFX because we can't afford that shit even if it's free to the hallway. Loud footsteps can be heard rushing towards DP's location. Cut back to DP. The glow falls to its knees. What the fuck's a glow? you sure A mushroom soup sprays out like a cat and covering DP and the goop the goop covers the blue lands
03:37:08
Speaker
can i hear like some drowning and but
03:37:13
Speaker
The pounding footsteps enter and surround DP, who is stunned and spins to find no one in the room. Quickly tries to rub off the blue filter. DP raises the glasses and sees 2030 glowing invisible people. Shaky DP slowly backs up, tripping over the corpse of the invisible person, falling on their back. Tight shot off the radio as DP screams and fires at you.
03:37:42
Speaker
Oh, I see the girl now. As we zoom out to reveal all the P at least, people, have you been removed? Please. Please die. Die. Die, motherfucker. You're finished. There's one more page. There's one more page? One more page. Do you know what you're supposed to say? There's no lines for me. Freeze frame, new spin, this just in. The invisible people are everywhere. Fade out.
03:38:12
Speaker
All right, buddy. What did you think of the incredible case in Invisible People? Yeah, it was very ah invisible. Hard to read, if you may say. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. That's great. There's one even better than that. Stay tuned, everybody. We're going to get there. Good luck. Cut.