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TSP Ep 128: First Film Accidents or Not it Getting it Perfect the First Time and That's Okay!
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In this episode, Tom and Steve discuss their film Dick Head and some of the issues they have run into throughout its completion. They touch on color, missed opportunities filming, continuity, happy accidents, and first time films that are masterpieces.
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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Transcript
Podcast Journey and Recognition
00:00:00
Speaker
We'll be real podcasters. Well, we're we already are. We're at episode 5 million. Yeah. I was going to say, I think we've been doing this for like six years. How many more podcasts do we need for people to take us seriously? We take ourselves seriously. Have you heard of a film called Daycan Everyone? It's really good. It actually is. I mean,
00:00:23
Speaker
Welcome everyone to the Twin Shadows podcast, podcast about filmmaking and filmmakers. The show
Introduction to Twin Shadows Podcast
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Speaker
is brought to you as always by the two... Our two favorite people. Our workingest people, favorite people, best people, Tom and Steve. Our two favorite people, you and me. You and me, Tom and Steve, one, two, three, you know. So buddy,
00:00:49
Speaker
ah We were going to do a quick
Project Alignment and Festival Pressure
00:00:50
Speaker
podcast because we spent the night working away, finalizing some stuff, and kind of cathartic and nice in a way too, just like kind of being like, yeah, we're on the same page. And a lot of things, it really was just like... Do you think we weren't? No, it wasn't that. It was just, I think I was just like,
00:01:16
Speaker
I was feeling like this like crunch. We were like, we were trying to do like, yeah, we were trying to do these like festival submissions, like these early festival, well, not trying, we did do these early festival submissions and like, it was kind of like, oh shit, you know, if we get in, like we have to be done and we have to be done. But then like, I guess
Post-Production Updates and Reflections
00:01:39
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it's been a couple of weeks and that kind of like,
00:01:42
Speaker
has kind of settled and then you showed me all the work that you had done on reframing and like how how much nicer it looks and then you showed me some examples of what the color grade would will be. Hopefully. Because we so we essentially have like the look down. Yeah. And it's just a matter of getting that look over all the footage. Yeah.
00:02:07
Speaker
And then, you know, we're meeting with, and it's just like everything is kind of just like lining up in a good way. And also we're also, we're like, well, if we don't get in the South by Southwest, now we we have time and we know what we need to do. Yeah. Which is really nice. And it's kind of like, like you said, it's like,
00:02:30
Speaker
We're handing off the torch, in a sense, in a way that's like, we're not going to be this hands-on, on this monstrous beast. like We've tamed the beast and so much. That was like the big edit and the reframing is done. yeah Like there shouldn't be any need to like really touch the reframing. There shouldn't be any need to touch the edit anymore. There shouldn't
Learning from Filmmaking Involvement
00:02:56
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be any need to like do any of that. It's just feedback on the people working on the film that aren't us, which is like, whoa, I didn't believe that we could get there in a sense. Well, well, like I was saying, you know, it would just be nice if we could focus on directing. Yes. And I don't think we've had that privilege.
00:03:17
Speaker
at all throughout this film, over nine years, we haven't had that privilege. and And, you know, it's not a bad thing, because I think we've learned a lot. Like, I don't think we could have got to where we were otherwise, but, you know, it's like, goddamn, can we just direct now? Like, please, please, just let us direct. And- Yeah, and definitely, and to to kind of jump off what Steven's saying there is,
00:03:47
Speaker
You know, from literally from day one, it's like we've never just been doing one thing on the film. Yeah. It was never just, oh, we're directing. It's like, no, we're helping set up lights. We're helping get gear ready. We were helping extras and we were helping. Dude, it's not even that small, dude. It was like, okay, you're going to be gaffer. I'm going to be camera or I'm going to be gaffer. You're going to be camera. And literally that's.
00:04:18
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That's what we've had
Technical Challenges and Improvements
00:04:19
Speaker
to do, you know, just those extreme of jobs are like, okay, yeah, Tom, today you gotta be assistant director plus director. Yeah. and It's like, yeah, you're going to wrangle everyone together yeah and figure it out. and Then it's like, Steven's working out the lights with Charlie and heat they're going over lights and then you know i'm great I'm coming in and then we're all working on lighting and then also working with the actors and trying to figure out how we're going to block the scene with the lighting. and then and then then like That's fuck what directors do, but they have like department heads that
00:04:53
Speaker
kind of figure that all that stuff out too. yeah Like the specifics, you know, and we're having to figure out the specifics of every single job as best we can. And we don't know it because we're not trying to devote our time to it. So like I was telling you with the the DP work, it was like, man, imagine if our film had a dedicated director of photography, how different that would be because you know, was shooting the red. I went over the instruction manual after we shot the whole film and I was like, oh yeah, this is how you correct this issue. And then it was also like, oh yeah, we can actually shoot 4.5K instead of 4K. And then the 4.5K is like,
00:05:44
Speaker
We're changing our aspect ratio to two by one, but I think the 4.5K is like 1.6 something, something by whatever. And it's just nice rectangular form, and it actually looks really beautiful. But we never even got to explore that any of that because you know we thought we had one job,
00:06:10
Speaker
we hoped we had one job and then we realized we had every job. And that's not to throw shade on anyone or anything like that. It's just, we weren't expecting for it to be so large, I guess. And I guess that's our naivetivity, you know, is like,
00:06:34
Speaker
Oh, yes, it was definitely I think a a good way of describing it is we kind of bit off more than we could chew. Yeah, exactly. um And we asked so much more of people than we ever had a right of asking. Absolutely. And part of that led to a lot of issues and that we're trying to address in post, which is like never where you want to be. I don't think you ever want to be in the situation where are where we're like, well, we have to cut this entire scene because it just doesn't work because the angle is ugly. The lighting isn't working or
Naivety and Unexpected Positives
00:07:15
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like, you know, like why didn't we get more coverage or why didn't we do X, Y, and Z? Like so many times we'll look at something and we'll think,
00:07:24
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what the hell happened on that day? Like, why didn't we, like, what were we doing when we, and it was just like, no, we were just so bogged down. Like honestly, sometimes I think like how, I don't remember, I don't know how the fuck we even pulled this off in the first place sometimes when I think about it. yeah And the, just the, the film that we got, it's like, it's a miracle in a sense that like we everything just kind of came together. Yeah. And and also like, you know,
00:07:50
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I don't think we even had any understanding that we would run into these issues. Like you said, we bit off more than we could chew. We were just biting.
00:08:02
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but Yeah, and we were Pac-Man in a fucking maze. we You know, that there's a certain amount of just fortune that we ran into that it all worked together. I mean, there were like, for instance, we have a huge party scene where continuity was out the window when we were shooting, but yet somehow in the edit, most of that continuity is retained.
00:08:27
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And it makes sense where when we actually shot it, we we didn't give a shit. It was just like, yeah, man, we'll just have like fucking random continuity. And that'll be kind of like a cool thing when we actually put it together because none of it will make sense. And it'll be like the surrealist thing.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah, it was gonna be just random people. Like like really, if you look at all the footage, if you look at all the footage, you could cut like three different party scenes. Yeah. Because we shot like three different well types of extras. and One of our main extras was Boxhead. Remember? So we had this character Boxhead that wore an Amazon box on their head. And we had like seven people as Boxhead. Yeah.
00:09:15
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And you only see Boxhead once. Once. To make continuity. And for like a half a second. For a half a second. Like it only, that character only made it in once, but when we were filming it, it was like, yeah, we'll just have- He was fucking always there. And we say he, but Boxhead was played by every, males, females, he, she, they.
00:09:39
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it whatever the fuck if we we saw somebody that was on the cast or crew that wasn't in the party scene we would throw a box on their head and be like your box head now your box head for today and it'll work because there's no continuity to this yeah so that it's just a joke and if people catch it it's a joke yeah so that deliberateness was part of it and then yet with the edit that just doesn't come through and yet continuity comes through which is, you know, you always talk about happy accidents. I mean, that's a happy accident. like
Storytelling vs. Technical Perfection
00:10:12
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Like we didn't plan for that at all. And yet we retained continuity to kind of give us some respect. And that definitely has to do with the tightness of the edit and as well as- Well, no, I wouldn't even say, I would say it's just happiness. Cause like, I mean, when you were editing this film, was Boxette ever in your mind? Like are any of that party scene continuity? No, I mean, I know for myself,
00:10:43
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I always just took it like yeah continuity in the background for this section of the film for this ah ah Third of the film is just not gonna make sense and we'll just run with it because that's just the way we shot it and yet by some miracle literally um we maintain continuity, and we we we literally make ourselves look better look better than we are in that respect. Yeah, and it's really a, it's kind of a delight to see because it's like, but we weren't super crazy. We could have went way crazier with it.
00:11:28
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Like just just like the when I think about it and I um and I'm just thinking of like all the footage that we have It's like we have like charlie in different costumes. We've got louise in different costumes Yeah, we have a lot of people in different costumes during different sections of the party during different sections of the scenes But somehow we were able to just not use any of that stuff Yeah, and it still all just works just fine. Like there's no Like, and this kind of goes to what I think is one of the things I want to like just drill into filmmakers that are out there that want to kind of do this. I mean, if you're listening to our show and you're wanting to pursue filmmaking, don't. The number one thing, well, yeah, well, one don't. Like, unless you like have. Unless you're insane. I don't even think you necessarily have to be insane. It's just like, you just have to
00:12:27
Speaker
you'd eat another beer? Yeah, I probably do. But I will say it's like, man, the confidence. And I think that was one thing that like, I look back on if there's any regret I have for dickhead and any regret in any regard, it's, it was just the confidence level thinking that like, we weren't we we weren't able to pull off a film that could be as good or as coherent or as professional as what we have. And I mean, that's like one of the biggest reasons why we have taken as much time with the edit that we have and just explored every avenue of the film is is that we started to see these little building blocks come together and form where it's like, wait a minute,
00:13:26
Speaker
we managed to capture everything we needed to make this film what we wanted it to be. And you know it's always the ongoing joke that we didn't want to make Citizen Kane, this fancy art film. like And I don't mean to degrade or or talk down onto any B movies or anything like that, but I love those films.
00:13:54
Speaker
um Like those films have a lot of heart and soul and ingenuity and it's always a ah blast to watch a fun movie. It's one of the joys of of just being someone that loves film. And that's what we kind of brought and pulled out. And I think it was, ah there was just like ah some hard moments of like kind of understanding um Filmmaking in a mature level, I guess um Because it's so easy to just write off this idea that like you're just making something for fun or casual or silly or whatever like that's it's fun and fine to do that, but I think um when you're asking people for their time and you're asking
00:14:54
Speaker
um friends and favors and you're pulling in crews and you're using people's homes as locations and you're you know you're asking people to travel and do all these things like you're not it's an it it it evolves and it takes on its own thing it really is like an entrepreneurial endeavor in that sense where you're you're like on your own and if you lack that maturity and
Demystifying Filmmaking
00:15:31
Speaker
you lack the confidence to tell your story, I think that, you know, at least for me personally, I remember one of the things was, and this is why, this is honestly why we didn't have dailies while we were shooting is, i what but other than the fact that it was like um working like crazy, it was like I honestly didn't believe I could have cut the movie.
00:15:57
Speaker
And i know the house I know how silly that sounds now. No, that's not silly. um i was i because i remember I mean, at the time, that's very rational thought. and i want to And this is one of the things I want to break down. and I was thinking about this i mean i was thinking about this i think about this shit a lot.
00:16:15
Speaker
It's like you just have to like demystify the pizza. you know like It's not like this unattainable goal. It's like, dude, these people are fucking dumb as fuck making movies. like Every movie you watch has mistakes in it for the most part. like fucking movies that have $200 million dollars budgets have booms in them. Like, yeah how is that possible? Like, they could literally pay someone $1,000 to get rid of that boom, but they don't. I don't know how they miss it. I don't know how they don't catch it. But you know what? It happens. Like, how are you going to catch frame by frame? Like, that's just, you know. But yeah the thing too is like they also are on time schedules that
00:16:56
Speaker
kind of make sense in ah in a degree. Well, because like I know in Lost in Translation, there's a boom in one of the shots. And,
Animation Quality vs. Storytelling
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you know, i we watched that for the Criterion, right? Yeah.
00:17:10
Speaker
Dude, you know, I was like, yeah, Lost in Translation, that's for like Weaves and like Nerds and whatever. But then I watched it again for the Criterion List and I was like, fuck, this movie's so good. I mean, Sofia Coppola is one of my favorite directors. yeah Just for Virgin Suicides and Lost in Translation, like those two, like it's like yourre your elite status with those films. And Do you know, you kind of realize that flubs are okay, you know, and yeah, sure you want to get it perfect. Obviously, you know, you're, you know, whenever you're working on these things, you want to get it perfect, but really that doesn't matter. Ultimately, whatever, what matters for any film.
00:18:05
Speaker
that no one ever pays attention to. Like I was watching Uzumaki, we were talking about that earlier. And I was looking at a lot of the Reddit comments and like, oh yeah, the animation sucks. And it's like, oh, episode one's so good. But the animation in like episode two and three sucks. And episode four kind of came back to par with with episode one on the enemy. And it's like, who gives a shit? It's about the story.
00:18:31
Speaker
And if the story's not there, then nothing else really matters. you know like You can forgive so much if the story's there. For
Recent Films and Ratings
00:18:39
Speaker
instance, you were talking about, um to me earlier, a Little Devil. Oh, Satan's Little Helper. Satan's Little Helper. And you're like, yeah, the movie's rough, but the story itself is really cool. And just hearing you describe it, I was like, dude, that movie sounds awesome.
00:18:58
Speaker
You know, i've never I've never seen it, but just hearing your description of the story and what's happening and and everything, it's like, you know, so many people disregard story. And I think that's maybe the biggest issue with films nowadays is they're so eager to get something out that they never pay attention to story. It's it's kind of like Jurassic Park with Ian Malcolm.
00:19:23
Speaker
you know, you guys were too worried if you could, you never thought if you should, you know? Definitely. I mean, like that, I think that you're right. And especially with like, man, I'm trying to think of what was that? Like when's the last, what's the last good movie you've seen? That was new? Yeah, literally. Yeah.
00:19:42
Speaker
Like where you're like legit, this is a great movie. aren No, we won't even say great, cause that doesn't come out a lot. Cause because great movies are pretty rare. But like where you're like, yeah, this is a solid maybe, let's say a seven out of 10. Wow, robot. A DreamWorks animated movie about the robot. That just came out.
00:20:02
Speaker
That was pretty good. That just gave up. Really, you liked it that much? I thought it was, I was like, man, I don't want to watch a fucking dumb ass DreamWorks movie like, ugh. But then I watched it and I was like, this is pretty fucking good. Yeah? Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay. Like, legitimately, like, DreamWorks has like, even like that, did you watch that Puss in Boots, the new one? Yeah, it's pretty damn good. I was like, this is pretty fucking good. It's pretty good, it's pretty, okay, okay. It's better than that and I was like, fuck. Okay, let's take Wild Robot out of the equation.
00:20:30
Speaker
When was the last movie that you saw that was like a seven out of 10? You know, it's a movie that you hate, but- Don't say poor things. No, it's not poor things. Poor things is like a... I hated it. I think I rated when we did our podcast, I think I rated like a six out of 10. That's fair. Yeah. Cause I think the act, like there's a lot of things going for it, but there's also a lot of things going against it. But for me, I'm going to say it was that Kristen Stewart movie where she's the lesbian body lover. Love Lies Leading. I really enjoyed that film.
00:21:09
Speaker
I really enjoyed it. I mean, Dune II... Okay, let me take this. 8 out of 10. So Dune II. Dune II is a like... It's not an 8 out of 10. 7 out of 10, probably. No, I re-watched it again. Mm-hmm. Because I was watching it with my dad and he loves Dune. Well, even before that, I saw with him... Revenant.
00:21:33
Speaker
And i I remember seeing that the first time, I was like, man, this movie is so long and boring. But then I watched it again with him and I was like, man, this movie just like boom, boom, boom, it fucking hits.
00:21:45
Speaker
oh But. In a retool, right? Yeah, in a retool. Like that movie, so well done. But like an eight i eighte out eight out of ten movie for me?
00:22:00
Speaker
I can't think of the last one, like recent for recent films.
00:22:07
Speaker
Like maybe, like, okay, sure, Love Lies Bleed, maybe seven out of 10 is too low, but like an eight out of 10, which is pretty fucking high. Like eight out of 10 is really high. Like I can't think of the last eight out of 10 movie where I was like, dude, you gotta watch this. I mean, maybe for me would be,
00:22:26
Speaker
The substance? Really? Yeah, dude, you gotta watch that, man. I'll watch it. I really want to. It's by a French director, so it has, like, the French... She was the same director that made that revenge movie, which was really good.
00:22:39
Speaker
Well, you can tell she has that like French like approach because we watched Man Bites Dog and we were watching it because we, I think we both passed out all that at some point. I fell asleep in the chair. Yeah. It's not because of the movie. It was because it was like five in the morning. We were just so tired. But it had been up like a day and a half. But we were watching and it was like, yeah, this movie is so French, right? and And the French just have a certain style of filmmaking.
00:23:09
Speaker
And she kind of carries that over to the the substance. It's like, yeah, this this feels French. Because I looked it up and I was like, this has to be done by a female, I feel. And then I was i was like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, French director, yeah, okay, I i can see it. You know what's a telltale sign of a French filmmaker? A complete total disregard for the audience.
00:23:32
Speaker
What, you know, because French filmmakers, I feel like at most French movies I've seen, I'll go with like, even like down to Amelie, I'll go to Brotherhood of the Wolf, I'll go to Breathless.
00:23:45
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just like, they don't give a fuck if you're, you you know what's happening. It's just, here's the story, follow it motherfucker. If you fall if you fall behind, you're dumb as fuck. Like I always felt like with like when we were watching Breathless, cause I remember thinking like, Oh, God, the editing. I fucking hate the editing of this movie. It's something goddamn jarring and gross. But I could follow the story. um I understand what was going on. You know, it was kind of, it's like, okay, I'm with you, Godard, okay, okay. And then, you know, what's in another French movie I always um always think about is, God, what's that movie with, ah maybe it's, that's Spanish. um but It's got Malayna or something like that with, ah
00:24:30
Speaker
I think it's French, I'm not entirely sure with ah that beautiful woman. Oh. Oh man. She's an irreversible. She's in The Matrix, too. Oh, Monica Bellucci. Monica Bellucci. I think it's called Malena. Oh, that's Spanish, I think. It might be Spanish, fuck. I don't know. You know, all those Europeans, they speak like 15 languages. It's all the same shit. Same shit, different day. But you notice, you know what I was thinking about French films? Gasper Noe is pretty French. But what I was thinking about French films is, you know, they're a bit pretentious.
00:25:09
Speaker
But. They're unforgivably pretentious. So with photography, when you shoot your photo and then you print it, you want to get what you call is like wheeze wag or something. That's for noise Italian. Sorry. Essentially what you see is what you get. And with French films, what you see is what you get. They don't really go much deeper than that. And.
00:25:38
Speaker
I think that's that's a thing with French films, because like, breathless, right? What you see is what you got. Even ah Tati, right? With a Playtime? Yeah, oh, dude. Like, what you see is what you get. And I don't necessarily mean that as an insult, but it's like, it's just kind of interesting, the approach, because You know, I was I was talking to one of my mentors or my mentor and he's not a big fan of French cinema. He loves Italian cinema because he's Italian. And recently I saw the fascist. What a fascist fuck. No, it's fine. Sorry.
00:26:23
Speaker
No, but I saw, um, blood and black lace, you know, and he's like, Oh yeah, if you want to see geologists, you got to see them. Yeah. I fucking hate geologists. You know, I saw Suspiria is like, whatever. They're kind of cheesy and corny, but then I saw blood and black lace and I was like, Oh my God, this fucking movie's insane. Just the lighting and, and, and kind of like the fun Italians have and the disregard for like
00:26:50
Speaker
a traditional narrative that they have, you know, it's it's just like, we're showing you what we're going to show you and you're just going to enjoy it. And we're going to enjoy it with you. Whereas with French cinema, it's like what you see is what you're getting like with um man bites dog, like how deep does it go? It doesn't really feel like it goes that deep, even though it, because I was talking to Karen about it,
00:27:20
Speaker
Like from the limited knowledge I have of French cinema, it doesn't feel, cause I think of like an ocean is how I would describe it. It doesn't go deep into the ocean, but it goes wide on the ocean. And it kind of keep keeps this like superficial. It doesn't really go much deeper than what it's presenting, but it goes wide on what it's presenting. So kind of what you see is what you get.
00:27:49
Speaker
I would say french films French and Italian films and in a particular have kind of a way of sticking with you too. I always remember there's this French film and I wish I could remember the title of the movie but it's about these like French, almost like they're like thugs, like gangsters, and they go out to the country after like a robbery. yeah And they like stay in this rural house and like the rural family is like murdering them off kind of. Are you sure that's not the film we saw from our previous guests? No, no, no. From Joe and Steve? If anything, they're ripping that off.
00:28:28
Speaker
but no well hair triggers completely different. Hair trigger is a, it is such a cool premise that I wish they never did because I i want it. I want it. It's like give it to me. Cause it's, um it's essentially Reservoir Dogs meets Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah. Which is like is a fantastic, like but if you wanted to like slam two movies together, that's such a good one, right? like It's like, you know, the robbery gone wrong. They're trying to figure out who this the rat is. But also there's a psycho family trying to kill them. Yeah, which is really cool. But yeah, I don't know like but but you know, I would say that's one of the I like tear trigger. It just it just felt too Poorly edited
00:29:20
Speaker
And I don't mean that, I don't think Joe and Steve listen to our podcast, but if they did, I wouldn't mean it in any disregard or any shame. I enjoy the movie. I've seen it more than once, which is- Oh, you have? Yeah, because I remember when it, we watched it when it premiered at the festival. The Chicago festival? No, the Twin City. That's not Chicago? I don't know. What's the Twin Cities? That's what the name of the festival is, I don't know. But isn't that like an actual city? I always give emails from them. The Twin Cities, you know? What's the Twin Cities? Do I look like a Midwestern piece of shit to you? I'm not kidding. I don't know, dude. I'm drunk. Okay, a little drug. We drink manure, whiskey, and real whiskey. And some beers. And now we're drinking Bud Light, so that tells you where we're at today. Bud Light to sober up. But yeah, so it's just like, you know, they have a good way, like, inside.
00:30:16
Speaker
You watched Inside, right? Dude, that's one of the most... Because we were talking about Terrifier 3. Maybe we'll get into that. I haven't seen it. Did you watch it? Fuck no. Terrifier 3? It's on the Plex, if you want to watch it. I'm just gonna watch that shit. No. I'm not gonna waste my time with that. But I'll say with Inside, I mean, that was nowhere near as graphic as Terrifier 1.
00:30:40
Speaker
But Inside made me, I literally looked away in that film. Like when it gets to its climax, I was like, mm-mm, I'm done. I ain't looking at, cause you don't have to be graphic to be provocative. I think it's um it's more provocative to be un-graphic. But yeah, I think, and this is what I was thinking about too with Dickhead and it's like,
00:31:05
Speaker
Boy, we sure do cut away from a lot of the violence. um
00:31:13
Speaker
Like a lot of the visceral like violence, it's like we kind of leave it off screen. That's mostly due to bad budget concerns. Like we just didn't have the special effects, knowledge, know-how or personnel to kind of pull off everything that we probably would have tried.
00:31:31
Speaker
um We had a little more experience, but also it kind of like works in our favor, maybe, I hope. um And just like inside, right? Like sometimes just like the sound of scissors can be scarier than seeing scissors. um And it's important to kind of remember that.
00:31:57
Speaker
You know, people always say less is more. Sometimes that's true. I think for the most part, that's bullshit. um Only because like, you gotta show, you gotta show a bit. You gotta to show a little bit. Like if you never saw ah Bruce, the shark in Jaws, if you never saw the shark, the shark ever,
00:32:21
Speaker
it'd be it would not be the same kind of movie. like it's shown Jaws is like always the gold standard. There's this new movie that came out with Michael Bean called Rippy or Rappy or Rippy or something like that. I always make an effort to try and watch new films, films with actors I enjoy, you know like your Michael Beans, Anna Torv,
00:32:46
Speaker
ah I mean, Tomal Pinnikit, just I mean, any kind of filmmaker or any kind of actor or, you know, director, like Panos, kind of Cosmatos or. um What's her name, Kent? An Australian actor, actress, the Baba Duke lady.
00:33:09
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um
00:33:14
Speaker
Yeah. and I'm supposed to be the guy that knows this stuff. fuckta Jennifer Kent, I think her name is. um Yes, Jennifer Kent. This is why we have phones in front of us. Oh, did she do a Monster? Oh, a different monster. I like that movie, Monster. I like little movies. You know, it's like a... And I don't mean little like...
00:33:40
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physically tiny or anything like that. I mean like movies I like just tell like a small short story like underwater, which I guess that maybe isn't that little but it's like people trying to escape underwater facility. Monsters are there, you know.
00:33:57
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I think Underwater, you know, when we were talking about like some of the last like number, like eight rated movies, Underwater is an eight to me. Like I know it probably has its issues. I hate TJ Miller. I don't give, you know, like, yeah, he's a scumbag in real life, but I also just don't like his acting. I don't think he's funny. I don't think he's charismatic. I'm thinking he has a good onscreen presence. It's cringy and awful.
00:34:23
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And he weighs that movie down big time. um Because I don't think he's interesting. He's like a way worse Ryan Reynolds, and I already don't like Ryan Reynolds, so... Yeah. T.J. Miller, go fuck yourself. But underwater... I mean, it has fucking, like, it has fucking... Dude. I'm a big Kristen Stewart fan, okay? Personal shopper. Love lies bleeding. Underwater.
00:34:57
Speaker
If she's in it, I'm going to have a good time. That was one thing. you know I was thinking about that with Twilight. like You had like Christian Stewart and Robert Pattinson, and both kind of have like these careers now where I'm like, I'm going to seek out and watch like whatever the hell either of them are in. like Robert Pattinson, I didn't see that highlight movie. I think Stephen told me to watch it. but I haven't watched it yet, but I would watch it for him. um You know, there's a few of those like big actors that I still show up for. ah Tom Holland. No, but Ryan Gosling.
00:35:40
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I'll watch. Although I didn't watch. Actually, maybe not because that's not maybe that's not as factual as I'd like it to be in that movie with Emily Blunt I haven't seen the stuntman movie But ready player one I'll definitely watch that it's a great book um Yeah, you know we were just working on the film and Kind of getting like there's only like a couple of things that like we need to do until like the film itself is finished. Um, like we have VFX working, we have sound working. Like that's like the biggest relief is like Adam, Pat and John working on sound is like this huge, like, oh, we can breathe. Like we know that's in good hands and that's like the most important thing.
00:36:40
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Cause like once they get the sound, like just to what they've already done is like, it's great. And I, um, I just can't wait until like it's all packaged and ready for everyone to watch and see and that's going to be pretty cool. You know, like when I sit at work and I think about All the things that just bother me, like not having access to like add someone to a distribution list or some dumb thing like that. I just think, wow. Made a movie, man. That's why you're fucking wild. we can wrap it up I still got my beer, man.
00:37:31
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That's fair. I got my beer too. Anyways, Terrifier 3 sucks and I haven't seen it. But I can tell you it sucks. It's not high on my list to watch and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna like choose it over. Buddy, there's a time to be an elitist. Because there's some movies I definitely want to watch that are recent. One, Substance. You know what a movie is that I saw recently? What's that? Memories of Murder. Is that what it's called?
00:38:01
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Memories of a murder. Yeah. Great film. Fantastic film. Yes. Amazing. Bong Joon Ho. That's an easy eight if not higher out of ten. Yeah. Amazing movie. And you know what? I've been spending more of my time just watching these great movies like Blood and Black Lace. You know, my exposure to so a lot of these movies is just minimal.
00:38:29
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And it's just like, God damn, man. like Like, for instance, Blood and Black Lace, it has a lot of issues. It's not technically the greatest film ever made, right? But damn, seeing the lighting and what they're trying to do and accomplish and what they do and accomplish, it's just like, where are these movies? The wild thing is,
00:38:56
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You know what I always think about is like, it feels like it's like, these are adults making movies. Like we're like these small children trying to like call together a story, but like they're like the same age as us. Like Mario Baba when he was, he's probably the same age as us. Like yeah when we were making Dickhead, like he's probably the same age. And it's like, sometimes I'm just like, how? yeah How do these people have like this confidence and this maturity just to be able to like,
00:39:25
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Dude, like if we just only made movies, we would both be homeless and dead. We're already almost there, we're just dickhead. We're almost there, like it's not that far off. You know, and I think about that and I'm just like, you know, and I know everyone always pulls Citizen Kane because it's like,
00:39:45
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It's like the most outlier-ish kind of thing yeah because um it's ah Orson Welles' first movie. yeah He's like 24 when he's directing that film. And you know it's probably still regarded as like one of the most influential, if not the greatest film of all time, only just because of its impact on cinema and the way it told its stories and everything. Well, I mean, I've seen bits and pieces of Citizen Kane. I haven't finished it, but every single bit and piece I see of Citizen Kane is like, damn. God damn.
00:40:24
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You know, you made an interesting comparison because you were like, well, you know, the best we can hope for, buddy, is Clerks with our film and even Clerks. I mean, that's an amazing film for what it is. You know, I mean.
00:40:41
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Kevin Smith, as many good films as he's made since then, it's it's still like Clerks. You know what movie has pacing that feels like dickhead? Clerks. I'll take it, man. Because that's, an i you know what? that No, I wouldn't say that because clerks Clerks felt like there were some slow points. There's almost no slow points in Clerks. I felt like there was.
00:41:05
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But, you know, I saw Clerks way before I delved into cinema as much as I have now. So I don't know if maybe I would have the same perspective on things, who but, you know,
00:41:23
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I think any indie filmmaker like us and any others like us with no money or no... I mean, Kevin Smith, he went to film school and whatnot. Dropped out of film school. He dropped out of film school. Well, because he felt like, what, it was a waste of time? Is is that it? are I think if I remember this... He could do a better film. Now, I'm sure if someone could correct me on this. I'm no Kevin Smith his historian. Yeah.
00:41:53
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But if I am remembering things correctly with my drunken brain, he went to film school. That's where he met Scott Moser, his like lifelong producer, who also directed The Grinch, which my daughter will not stop fucking watching. Well, that says a lot then. Seen that a million times. And it's not bad. But so got back to Kevin Smith. They pretty much were like, well,
00:42:20
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We could do another semester of this where we're like learning theory and blah, blah, blah, blah, or we can take like all the money that we would spend and go make a movie. yeah And then he went and sold all his comic books, like sold his car. There was like this crazy hurricane that like destroyed like,
00:42:38
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their house or their car or something. And they used the insurance money from FEMA to like fund clerks. And then he got credit cards and all this. And it got like this $40,000, which in like 1994 would have been like 200,000 or something today. yeah And he made clerks.
00:42:56
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yeah and right like they were editing while he like he would edit the film in the quick stop while they were like while he was working like selling like working the cash register he would be like editing and like doing like that kind of shit yeah like on like a moviola or whatever the fuck that shit was called like i don't know But like- Wild. I mean- Most Cinderella story ever. Yeah, I mean, that's like such a high compliment and such a great, like high comparison, you know, like that's that's a Cinderella movie that we all strive to make, you know, every, all of us, you know, we're like, yeah, this is our,
00:43:44
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our our one big movie that's going to set us up for life. and we're gonna and After this, it's all fucking glitz and glamour. you know We're going to be rubbing elbows with George Clooney and Brad Pitt. 90 percent of the guests on our show are like wi would literally sell their souls to Satan to have the clerk's story. Yeah. and Jared, Clark, Joe, Steven, Sushia, Jake, us,
00:44:14
Speaker
If they've been on our show, they these people, like this is, that is what we're all striving for. yeah I mean, I don't, we haven't had Thomas Tuvok on our show yet, but we might. But you know, also like Link Ladder, I think. With Slacker. my I haven't seen Slacker, but maybe Slacker has that kind of same you know vibe to it. Slacker i is like,
00:44:41
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And I think it's the progender. Of like something like Clerks. If if what I understand is correct, Link Ladder made Slacker in like the late 80s. Yeah. And that kind of was like, oh, people can like make movies in their backyards. Yeah. Because that's essentially what it is, right? It's like a ah film made through like Austin, I think, Texas. I've never seen it.
00:45:08
Speaker
I've never seen it either. I like Link Ladder. I think he's a good filmmaker. Link Ladder's great, dude. He's made, he made probably the best romance movie of all time, maybe? Yeah, with Before Sunrise. Before and After Sunrise. Like, yeah and then I have- Before Sunrise, Before Sunset. And then Before Midnight or Acton? After Dude Ludge. Let's take a break. Something like that, yeah. Let's get of our martinis.
00:45:36
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weoldnow.com, I don't know what it was called. Before sunrise and after sunset or something like that. Those two, I haven't and't i haven't seen the third one. i have i I watched some of it, I i didn't get through it, cause you know, I mean.
00:45:52
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they're They're dry, you know, it's just old dialogue. Well, those first two movies are like, they hold such a special place for me. Yeah, man. Like, when I watch those movies, it kind of, I hate watching movies that like, make me like, feel things too much, like, because it's like, ugh, ugh, get away from me, Tokyo Story. Like, yeah I don't want to fucking think and feel, you know, like, get away from me. Like, I feel those movies more than I feel, like, say, like, come and see. Because like, come and see is like, okay, I understand that man is bad.
00:46:21
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But you can humanity but yourself is so like i can't I'm more on the pessimist evil side of humanity than I am like the Well, like the chance encounter of romance, you know, like, yeah, I can't believe that shit's real because it's like it's so it hurts so much that it's like I want that so bad, you know, I want to be on the I remember you told me that story where you were in in Japan and you get on the train and you made my eye contact with the lady like that that Japanese girl and it's like you remember that story, huh? Oh, that sticks with me every day because it it was just like
00:46:54
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that And know yeah, and it's like that's before sunrise essentially in some degree like if you would have like if Things had like progressed on if I got off on that train. It was like hey you want to catch a movie She's like I don't speak e English well and she's just like oh, you know beep up and Yes i know be Have you ever ridden the bebop? Oh, Daniel said. Sorry. but you know like Whenever you say stories, I'm just like, dude, like I don't think that necessarily like happens in real life. I'm sure in the infinitesimal or like the cosmic scale of humanity and life and existence, these things have happened.
00:47:40
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It's just, when I watched something like before sunrise, even after sunrise, even the second one, where it's like, you never came, because that's when it was like, things kind of become more real.
00:47:55
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yeah where it's like they had they both went on with their lives. But the dream didn't land. But that was that there was always that like moment yeah that like never left them. And it's like, man, I don't know, like maybe I just had too much of a fucked up life. And I'm like, it hasn't been that fucked up. But like there's never been that moment where I was just like,
00:48:17
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damn dude like There's something so powerful about like that chance meeting of a a kindred spirit, a soul, ah ah such a romantic... well yeah It's romanticism pushed to a degree that's like unfathomable. And then like it's like the same thing with um lost, and not lost in translation, well lost in translation a little bit too, but I'm thinking about days in confused, where it's like, high school wasn't like that.
00:48:43
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i never I never had that experience, not even close. like The closest thing I had was just getting drunk and like passing out and puking all over the floor. like That's probably the closest thing I got to days and confused, waking up to like a kid talking about his dad molesting him and and him pissing on my floor. That wasn't fun. I never got spanked by Brad and Ben Affleck. you know yeah like That never happened to me. like Link you know hit it linkk ladder. and it you know i always you know there was a I was talking about this because someone was asking me like what movie makes me cry and it's like, I don't really cry. but Well, I know't i know Forrest Gump does. Forrest Gump's one and the other one that almost always gets me a spirit away. It's like Miyazaki can somehow tap into that.
00:49:34
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yeah Link Ladder has that ability. When he did that remake of Bad News Bears, I'm like, okay, you tried. You're not immortal, thank God. You're not Kubrick. That's what's so scary about Kubrick is he has one bad movie. It's not even that bad. Fear and desire is not that bad. Yeah, but Kubrick compared to Link Ladder. Link Ladder has already made more movies than Kubrick, right?
00:50:04
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Yeah. So, but still, ah you know, it's like when you think about it and it's like, have you ever watched The Shining? Like, yeah. And you know, when you watch that movie, you just think a mortal man made this movie. Like, I don't know. i Maybe I'm too much of a Kubrick, like, well, that's how I felt with um Clockwork Orange, because, you know, it has that rape scene and like I don't really want to watch that. But then I finally did. And I was like,
00:50:31
Speaker
how can you How can you make this film and and make it so good and like deep in everything? Because you know there was the film we saw in the Criterion List. um What was that? a Days in Heaven or? Days of Heaven, yeah. Days of Heaven. Where where they have- With the Richard Gere one, right? No. No, no, no. The one with Chris Christofferson. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they have that long- Days of Heaven. Which one is the Richard Gere one that we watched? That's Terence Malick. Terence Malick in, it's like the, there's a fire in yeah in the yeah, yeah. Days of- It's on Days of Heaven? Almost Heaven. I don't know. There's fucking titles, dude.
00:51:13
Speaker
I feel like they were both called Days of Heaven. They both they both might have been. Oh, yes, that's the one with the barn. And they're like, yes, yes. And they have that long scene. The movie was super good. Yeah, it was. But you know you see that scene, it's just like, oh. And for right reasons, of course. you know It's depicting very difficult subjects. But the way Kubrick did a Clockwork Orange, I mean,
00:51:41
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He made it work somehow. And and you still sided with the protagonist, possibly, right? Like you sympathize with the protagonist who's this awful character throughout the entire film. And I think... Try to find that Terrence Melton movie, sorry. Go ahead. Is it Days of Heaven? No. It's not Days of Heaven. We definitely watched Days of Heaven as one of them.
00:52:13
Speaker
Yeah. Now you're making me question. I'm too, I'm really buzzed. We got really buzzed working on our film because that's the best way to get through it. Days of Heaven was the Richard Gere movie. So then what's the Chris Christopherson one? Heaven's Gate. Yes. Right. i in the gay It's something like that, right? Yes, you're right. It's Heaven's Gate.
00:52:41
Speaker
Shit. The movie that like would cost like $200 million that made like three books. Yeah, it just like tanked so hard. Even though now people respect it. Yeah, Heaven's Gate. You want to know what you rated it? What?
00:52:58
Speaker
A 6.8. Well, didn't you hate that movie, kind of? I rated it at a 6. Yeah, we kind of hated it. co walk Well, dude, it's fucking like five hours long. Yeah, I was going to say it went too long. It was like 17 hours, man. Dude, I'm tired of watching like these frontiers women be raped all day. like I went to him and escaped by the end of that film, you know, it was like fucking died. You know what movie ah ah is on the list that It's one that I always want to rewatch and I haven't watched again. Red Shoes. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, once we get to the cartoon list um in 2055,
00:53:44
Speaker
I want to do where we revisit some of the films. Yeah, definitely. And just kind of see them with like more mature understanding eyes because like red shoes. I mean, those guys, you know, they, they did, um, press burger and no peeping Tom. Yeah. That destroyed their career. Yeah. That's her name, Michael press burger and something.
00:54:08
Speaker
And then they did that other film that you said was like amazing, right? yeah Like start way to heaven. Yeah. You know, All that jazz is another one I want to see again. But anyways, I don't know. Three colors. Three colors. you Remember three colors, red? Yeah, we only sell them one though. Yeah. That'd be a cool one to see though, the whole trilogy.
00:54:29
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, white and blue, but remember that movie? Yeah. About the girl that falls like, or the guy falls in love with her. She's like, his yeah, he's a total creeper sneaking in her window and watching leave it to the French man. I love them. I love them. But, um, you know, theyre I'm looking at the list and I'm just thinking, God, I can't believe we have to watch the shitty modern movies compared to Casablanca.
00:55:01
Speaker
Psycho's the next one we gotta see. The graduate? Psycho's the next one we gotta see. And you know what, I'll say this about psycho. like i knew I know the story of psycho. I knew it was coming. I know what's gonna happen. And still, when I watch psycho, I'm still shocked. You know, there's one after psycho, the next one after psycho I've never seen. What's that? Annie Hall. Oh, Annie Hall's great. You know which one I really wanna see?
00:55:29
Speaker
And I know you agree with me, Paris, Texas. I've wanted to watch Paris, Texas as we did this fucking list. I mean, it's one of the ones I've wanted to watch like forever. And it's so far on the list that I'm just like, I'm never gonna watch it at this rate. Sometimes I'm just like, you know what, fuck the list. I'm just gonna watch these films and I'll watch them a second time when we do our podcast. Paris, Texas is number 25 and we're on 49.
00:55:55
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like We have so many movies to get through. like the The nice thing is like we're kind of getting into it like a grip of movies that I'm pretty familiar with. Blade Runner, Punk Drunk Love, It's a Wonderful Life. I've seen those movies, but there's a lot I haven't seen. Is Singing in the Rain one of those? It's not on the list. Wow.
00:56:16
Speaker
Though I did watch Singin' in the Rain. Yeah, and you were like... God damn. And you're not a musical fan. I remember thinking... This is when i I think like, wow, I'm such a piece of shit, arrogant asshole. Because I remember thinking like, dude, Singin' in the Rain, like, I'm Singin' in the Rain, you know, like, it's like made fun of and Clockwork Orange, like you brought up, like, yeah oh, dude, everyone knows that stupid song, right? They know that... that um it' Is it Gene Kelly? I can't remember now. Yeah, I think it's Gene Kelly, yeah.
00:56:44
Speaker
And it's like him dancing with the umbrella in the rain. it's like who didy dad i was like I always thought it was a Nazi movie, but that's the sound of music. But, you know, it's like singing in the rain, you know, and it's like, dad, stupid musical movie. like This movie sucks dick. like no one want No one should watch it. It's so dumb. yeah And then I was like, well, you know, like I watched Babylon. We watched Babylon and I was like, there's so many references to that movie. and that And I was like, well, you know, I think I was hanging out with the kids, just me. Like, why don't I just put this on? I can put it on the background. Singing in the rain. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, uh-oh. Really? This is like one of the greatest movies ever made. Like, holy shit. Singing in the rain is so fucking good. Yeah. Everything about it is so good. It's like if Babylon was good.
00:57:33
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Yeah, the thing is like Babylon is like someone taking, you know how in but the opening scene of Babylon, there's an elephant taking a shit? It's like that is that movie taking a shit on singing in the rain. Because singing in the rain is like this like golden era love of that time of Hollywood.
00:57:55
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where it's like everything was beautiful and like, why would you be sad? Like, yeah, it's a little upsetting that like, we're moving from away from Takis and like- Yeah, playing like homage to like the silent era, right? Yeah, because Babylon has that like- that scene where like the the party and like, oh, like, oh my God, like the men are just fucking like, the like whoever they want and there's dancing and drugs and love and everything is all over the place and elephants and shit. It's so decadent. It's decadence to a degree of perversity. Yeah. And it's like seeing the rain is like.
00:58:35
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We don't talk about that. That didn't quite get shown. like There's some darkness in that movie. I don't know if you've ever seen scene of the rain. No, I haven't.
00:58:47
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right like ah the famous silent actress, she can't act, like her voice is terrible. She's like, talk like What's wrong with my voice? you know And then like the actress in the movie, it overdubs her. ah the overubs her okay and But the actress that's on screen gets all the credit and Gene Kelly is in love with the girl that does the dubbing.
00:59:13
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And she's like, she should be the one singing and dancing. Like, oh, she's so talented. That's awesome. And then, you know, he brings her to the spotlight and then they fall in love and know and they sing and they dance. So it sounds like a little bit like a Star is Born. Yeah, a little bit. Because i i I watched that recently. I want to watch all of them, but I watched the original of A Star is Born and I was just like... The Gene Kelly one?
00:59:40
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Is it Gene Kelly? I don't know. He's in the Star Wars? No. No, what's her name is, though? The chick from Wizard of Oz, right? Judy Garland? No, that's a later one. ah The original one, I think, is with the actress who was in a Sunrise.
00:59:57
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Oh, yeah Grandma. It's her. Yeah, it's with Grandma. did Did you watch the original? I never seen the original. Oh, dude, you gotta watch the original. I've only seen the Bradley Cooper one.
01:00:08
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Oh, dude. Well, because because you have them. So I was like, OK, well, let me check out the original. And I was just I was blown away. I mean, I was blown away to the point where I was like, yeah, I got to watch you others. there were Those were like um because you always you know, the Judy Garland. I mean.
01:00:25
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you know, it's the scene in the rain. And then, you know, the Kris Kristofferson and Barbra Streisand scene in the rain, like, that's probably more closer to the Bradley Cooper one, where it's a little more gritty. Well, ah my understanding is too, it's like, if someone needs an Oscar, they make, they just start remaking A Star is Born, because like, it's just like a super Oscar bait. Well, yeah, I mean, it's the classic story, right? Like, young, wide-eyed person goes into Hollywood, and then the grizzled, bitter person like
01:00:56
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Oh, look at a star, you know? Kind of like how we are, except we're... What's the opposite of a star? A black hole is born. That's us. A black hole is born. A ball is born. That's what we made. Dickhead is born, you know? Jesus, we made Dickhead. Yeah, we made Dickhead. But boy, does that... You know, that title works so good. Our title, Dickhead? yeah Yeah, it does. It's like, but you know what our, our PG 13 title is? Yeah. What is it? Dickhead two. No, it's pulp punch. Pulp punch. Oh God. Well, we changed it. We removed pulp punch. What is it now? It's pulp. Pulp bunny. Pulp bunny. Pulp bunny. Thank you, Suzanne. Well, buddy.
01:01:55
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Yeah, buddy. It's nice. It's nice to sit down and podcast and just talk about the shit. It is. It's very therapeutic, but also it's like, I was thinking about it. Yeah. Cause we were talking about some new movies and like new releases and and stuff too. And it was just like,
01:02:18
Speaker
We have a chance. New movies suck. That's what I wanted to talk about is just, you know, I was always the ah person who would watch new movies and you weren't, you would you would always watch the classics.
01:02:34
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And I'd be like, ah, man, watch this film. It's it's so like awful but good. And I would get you to watch movies and you'd be like, Steven, why'd you even make me watch this, man? I was watching Blood and Black Ladies, bro. why'd you Why'd you make me stop? the But i I finally have gone to a point where I don't want to watch new films anymore. like They're just not very good.
01:02:58
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And you know, I think saturation is to blame where so, so many of these movies have to come out at a certain time for streaming purposes and they're not refined to the extent that they should be.
01:03:18
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And, you know, with diminishing amount of time that can be spent watching a film, like I don't, I can't spend my time watching a bad movie anymore. It's like, I just want to watch the good ones, you know, where it's worthwhile.
01:03:39
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Yeah, because I've been like there. There was a weekend where I was just I actually got some downtime and I got to watch some movies and there was this film where these people are in an RV and they're going to a film fest and then like when the ghost come out and like kill him.
01:03:59
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and the movie had yeah and then it goes And the movie was so bad, man. And it's just like, why am I spending my time on these, you know? I could spend my time, and and I happened, like, watching Blood and Black Lace. Because watching that film was eye-opening for me. Like, I gotta to admit, like...
01:04:22
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Just seeing that film was amazing.
01:04:27
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And there's so much more to be learned by watching the great films that exist in all these different genres. you know and And like um another film I watched since we last podcast, and I don't think I talked about it, was La Haine or The Haine. I know it's another French movie. it was ah Caviezel, Caviezel, you know that French actor? Yeah, and um um kaviz Jim Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus Christ. um But it was that actor's like one of his big ah films. And dude, I was just like, I need to watch these films more. I need to watch more of these films that will teach me about filmmaking and narrative and and character and how you build them.
01:05:19
Speaker
Instead of wait wasting my time like I saw alien Romulus recently and that's a good film. Sure. It's fun. It does its thing but I Didn't learn anything. I mean it was read just rehashing all tropes like literally I don't think I saw a single new thing. The only good thing was the ah the the The android, is that what they are? The ah robot people? You know, they had one android guy, the black actor in that. I don't know his name, so we'll say black actor. He was fucking amazing. But outside of that, did he bleed cum milk? Oh, he did. He bled a lot of cum milk. Damn fucker. But he he he was a great aspect of the film, but like so many of these films, they have solid acting, like poor things.
01:06:13
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Poor Things had great acting. You know, Emma Stone was great. Everyone in that film acted great. I liked Tom or Mark Ruffalo the most in Poor Things. I think he had, he was the best character. He was the most fun character and he had the biggest arc.
01:06:31
Speaker
And that movie suffered from bad editing too. Well, that movie was a bit misandrist because it's like all the men are evil. And then it's like, let's pick on Mark Ruffalo because he's obviously a dirtbag, but it's like, what did he do wrong? He just found this beautiful woman that he didn't know who she was and he wanted to have a romance with her and he was honest the entire time.
01:07:00
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And she drove him crazy.
01:07:06
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Right, I mean, like he's actually ah he's actually kind of a victim. I don't know if I would go as far to say he's a victim. She was pretty emotionally abusive to him. Cause she didn't give a shit about him. Yeah, cause she's like emotionally five.
01:07:22
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Well, then that's kind of gross already, right? It is very gross. yes The whole movie is gross. Yeah, it's a very gross movie, but she's very abusive to him. And he doesn't know any better. Anyways, I don't want to get into poor things. No, yeah, but but so I did this thing. I made this playlist. I called it the Bee Movie Marathon.
01:07:46
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And there were a couple of standouts that I wanted to talk about with you. Maybe you would watch them. Maybe you've even seen them. Yeah. I saw Killer Tomatoes. I love that. I think I told you to watch it and you were like, God damn it. Yeah, Killer Tomatoes sucked. You fucking bastard. So I will say there were a couple of standouts in this list of very many movies that I watched. number So I won't go through all the movies because there's 13 of them.
01:08:13
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We'll give you your top five. The top five I watched. Okay. So. And this is an order of what you thought was best. The best of this list would be Five Element Ninjas. Definitely haven't seen that. I highly recommend this film. It's a Chinese martial arts film. It is very much a fun, awesome movie. Like if you like,
01:08:38
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if you like any kind of Hong Kong cinema kung fu movie it's this but like they're poking fun at Japan a lot and it's great it is like it's like there's this Chinese clan of kung fu artists that disrespect the samurai and he has to commit seppuku And he's like, with if I commit Sippuku, I will send the five element ninjas against your house. will And then like there, the Kung Fu clan gets decimated by the ninja clan. Oh, and they don't know what ninjas are in China. So the ninjas kill them. It's great. You know, if I can interject, there's a movie called like, um,
01:09:26
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inner like it it's ah It was done after Bruce Lee's death, like leaving the dragon or something like that, where Bruce Lee essentially goes to hell. Yeah, ah my mentor told me, I gotta watch this, it's on Tubi, I got the title. It's like leaving the dragon or something like that.
01:09:45
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And he fights all of these people and how he fights like Clint Eastwood as the his character in the Italian Westerns. He fights him, he fights James Bond. What? Yeah. And and apparently it's amazing. And he has a third leg, let's put it that way. I have not seen that. He fights Dracula.
01:10:09
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yeah Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And he was telling me, he was like, dude, if you want to see an amazing kung fu movie, you got to watch this. It's after it's post Bruce Lee's death. Now watch Five Element Ninjas. But and then watch the Bruce Lee movie. um Number two. Race with the Devil. Now, I'd put a bunch of 70s movies on here and most of them were pretty bad.
01:10:36
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Like I felt like I was like, I have to watch them because I put them on the list. Yeah. The race with the devil was good. Okay. and Stars. um Henry Fonda. Oh, okay. Which one is one of the male Fondas. Which say Henry Fonda. Yeah. And it's they.
01:10:59
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um He's a motorbike racer and they happen upon a satanic sacrifice where like everyone is a satanist. Okay. The gas station attended the satanist. Oh shit. Everyone's a satanist and they're all trying to kill them because they interrupted their satanic sacrifice and it's like an awesome like them just trying to like get away from these satanists.
01:11:24
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which is kind of survived the light. And they're like chasing them in their RV and like, okay. And they're like, man, what are we supposed to do? Like we can't just kill these people. And then they're like, they're trying to kill us, you know, like, so let's kill them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was number two, number three runaway starring Tom Selleck where he fights robots. Okay. And it's fucking magnificent. Jean, Jean Simmons is the bad guy. Jean Simmons was in two of the movies I watched. Okay. From kiss.
01:11:55
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And yeah, ah Tom Selleck is a, he, it's like Blade Runner, except they're not replicants, they're toasters, like Roombas yeah that he fights against, but it's like made in the 80s, but it's so technologically accurate to the future. It's really weird. Oh. Where like, there's like just worker robots that look kind of like robots that we have today. Yeah.
01:12:19
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Very strange. And like, I don't think anyone would ever watch it. But there is a scene in this movie where a robot takes a family hostage and it's a Roomba with a gun. for shit alice I don't know. It's like, and it's taken and everything is taken so seriously. I loved it. Runaway. Tiring Tom Selleck. And then there's two more. So I will go with um hardware I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's from the 90s. It's about a post-apocalyptic future with the Dylan McDermott. And he finds a robot that self-repairs
01:13:02
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The movie is beautiful and fantastic up until about the halfway point where it's like the director took too much acid. yeah And then the movie just becomes this huge acid trip ah where you're not really sure what's happening, what's real. There's weird visualizations on the screen. like yeah People are dying, but it's it's a film that needs to be watched. I think it's fantastic. And then they I'll go with them.
01:13:31
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ah Number five. You can't even get to number five. I'm going to say Dark Angel. Yeah, I've never heard of any of these films. Starring Rugger Hauer. Okay. As a cop that needs to take a vacation, but he's so dedicated to the job that he won't. Is that where he's chasing a serial killer? He is chasing an alien. Okay. An alien that comes to Earth and realizes that Earth drugs are great.
01:14:00
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Oh. And that human dopamine is like going to be a great drug that he's going to spread across the universe. So he starts sucking the brains out of people and he finds other interstellar police officers that are trying to capture this alien drug dealer. And yeah, he throws drink. He throws like a super boomerangs that like bounce off people and like chop them in half and shit. And it makes sense. And he's just ah an earth cop.
01:14:28
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Yeah. And he's just trying to stop these drug dealers, but then the alien drug dealer comes and is like fucking up everything. And that was fun. And you know, like, I love those B movies. And it's like, you get you learn, I think you learn a lot by watching, like I watched some Chuck Norris movies. There's some Chuck Norris movies in here and like, ah well, why do why do you think you learn a lot from them? Because those movies,
01:14:56
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will take themselves seriously and they'll play them, play it straight. Like, have you ever seen Screamers? I've seen parts of it. I haven't finished. I watched Screamers. initially And I was just thinking like, this movie is like a shitty Tremors. Okay. But it's played so seriously and so like, matter of fact, because who is in, who is that in Screamers? It's, uh, not Lance Hendrickson. It's, uh,
01:15:26
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It's our boy. Oh, it's ah the Robocop. Oh, peter well Peter Weller. Peter Weller. Peter Weller is, you know, he plays in Screamers and it's like these B movies, right? Like they know they're, but they take themselves seriously, but their stories are so crazy. Yeah. And they're, um they're so drug fueled. Like you could just tell these people were doing the most craziest co-rattle thing. Cause there's like better versions of these movies that are like more well known.
01:15:54
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Yeah. Like the runaway, right? It's like it's a shitty Blade Runner. Oh, okay. Yeah. With let where the role replicants are actual robots. Yeah. And like Tom Selleck instead of Harrison Ford. Yeah. Right. And then like you have like um all these movies. And it's just like, dude, they're just like, they're fun. Like, fun is it's the capital F in fun. Like, they're not trying to be serious, right? It's not Lawrence of Arabia. It's not, ah you know, Laventura. They're not trying to be more than they are. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, hey, you know what? Drink some beers, watch this movie, and like, you're going to get a kick out of it. Like, they don't drag.
01:16:41
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Yeah. for Well, the bad ones drag. Yeah. That's the biggest s sin of a B movie is when they drag. Yeah. Because you're like, come on, we all know we make it fucking. Well, that's why I liked ah Killer Tomatoes, because, you know, they knew what they were making, but they were trying to make the best out of what they were making. I think my problem with Killer Tomatoes was like,
01:17:09
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Sometimes the joke just didn't land. this The jokes just weren't working anymore. like It was too long. like If it was a 30-minute movie, it would have been fantastic. yeah But like after a point, I was just like, okay. like Once they had the press briefing and like the little kids tried to ask the president questions yeah about the tomatoes, I'm just like, oh okay.
01:17:33
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But like there were some great gags, right? Like the the tiny room. Yeah, where it takes like five minutes to get in the tiny room. Yeah, they're like crawling over each other and they're like there's like the Japanese guy that's like, ah what is the English faggot? And they're like, no, it's fruit.
01:17:54
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fruit yeah and it's like dude like jokes like that were like well that's funny and that's pretty funny yeah but at the same time it's like it didn't age well no but it's funny yeah we can't get butthurt about that shit yeah like if you get butthurt about that you take life too seriously like get the fuck out here yeah like No one's trying to be harmful. We're all just making fun of that. You know, fruits and, you know, people call gay people fruits. Yeah, i I remember that scene specifically at Killer Tim. I was like, oi! Because I think I was a little bit high when I watched that. was like That didn't age well. No, it does not at all. But like you said, I mean, you can't take it, especially, I mean,
01:18:40
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You just can't take shit too seriously, you
Seriousness and Fun in Filmmaking
01:18:43
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know? Like, everything's going to be offensive if you want it to be. That's a big problem with new movies. They take themselves so serious. Oh, yeah. and I mean, could you imagine if they say that now? It's like they're holding some kind of like... It's like they're... Like, well I'm trying to think of a movie I watched. A new movie I watched for a... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking about this a little bit. It's like the killer king of room movie with Michael Bean.
01:19:11
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Rooney, Roddy or something like that. Oh, yeah. Roddy, something like that. I won't watch anything with Michael Bean. So, you know, life sucks when you're a big Michael Bean fan because it's just going to get weird real quick. But, you know, that movie was like you could have just had like a fun movie where like the people are trying. it's like It was like Jaws. Yeah. It was set up almost exactly like Jaws with a giant kangaroo. Yeah. But then they had to like make it all about like war and like what it means to come back from war and like what like you what it means to be an alcoholic and all this stuff. I'm just like, I just want to watch a movie about people killing a giant kangaroo. like I don't want to like think about
01:19:56
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Vietnam vets and what it means to like protect people from their own parents because they're alcoholics and shit like that. Like, I don't want to think about that kind of shit. And the movie's about like coming together with the family you make, not the family you were given. I'm like, I just want to watch people shoot giant kangaroos. Like, what's so wrong with that? Like, don't make it deeper than it needs to be. And then you make the ending like six endings. That's another thing. Fucking people gotta stop. I'm dead serious about this, buddy.
01:20:27
Speaker
I am so sick of movies having like nine endings. yeah It's fucking so stupid. I hate it. like it is like i will I'm going to start turning movies off that do this shit. Where it's like, oh, you know, we killed the bad guy. Oh, there's another bad guy. Because we had 30 more minutes. Because someone had it someone said we needed the movie to be 98 minutes long if we were going to sell it in Korea or some shit. it's like Shoot me in the fucking head, man. And they just don't end. Yeah. Thank God for dickhead. It ends. There ain't no false ending. is it that Well, we'll see. There ain't no false ending. The dickening. Everyone comes back.
01:21:16
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no
01:21:19
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I'm barely awake. How you doing, buddy? Well, I think that's a good point to cut it, man. All right. Well, thank you for listening to us rant and talk about film and dickhead and where we're at. Yep. Cut.