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Art Is Vital for Survival w/ Alyssa Ryann
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Note: The last 10 minutes or so got completely messed up somehow, aaaaaand I cannot fix. I'm so sorry! I hope you enjoy it anyway :)
In this delightfully imperfect and serendipitous episode, I'm joined by Alyssa Ryann (she/they), local Tacoma artist with a passion for making art more accessible to the general public. We met at a holiday artist market and I was immediately drawn to her apparently limitless styles. Today, we ended up talking about our shared philosophy that saying yes to yourself is the most self-loving thing you can do--including saying yes to making terrible art--as well as how important art is for survival, resistance, and revolution. Alyssa even made a t-shirt specifically from our conversation today which you can purchase through this link: https://alyssaryannart.etsy.com/listing/1856937802 using the code UGLYART for 20% off!
You can follow along Alyssa's journey on IG @alyssaryannart. They'll even host a paint and sip for you if you'd like!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:15
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can get ugly, and art sure can too What matters is to do it, let those feelings flow through
00:00:39
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Hello, hello, welcome back to the Ugly Podcast. It's me, your host, Laura Alexander. i use they, them pronouns, and I'm going to keep using they, them pronouns.
00:00:51
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forever unless I decide to change it at some point but you know what screw you I say the pronouns and we exist okay hi guess what's going on in the world bad things um I sitting in my my office today ah for anybody who ah has been following a lot on this journey I am fully moved in to my girlfriend's house now and I have fully set up our office area there's still some like mess here and there but otherwise we got art on the walls it's great um And today I'm wearing striped button up shirt. I kind of look like a train conductor and I love it.
00:01:26
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um And otherwise, you ah if you listen frequently, you know what I look like. I'm your white androgynous ah curly haired weirdo with big old glasses. And I've got an excellent guest for you today.
00:01:39
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ah My guest I met at an art show or an art exhibition? Art but Christmas market? All of the above. um here in Tacoma and we got to chatting and I'm just really excited to introduce them to you. um They are an LGBTQ Tacoma inhabitant ah with a passion for making art more accessible to the general public.
00:02:04
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She loves ways to make people smile and think with everything from a painting to an especially awful dad joke. Welcome. you please introduce yourself with your name, your pronouns and what we're looking at?
00:02:18
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Absolutely. That's a weird way to say that. Hey, you're good. guys. My name is Alyssa Ryan and I use she, they pronouns. So either one works. um And yes, I'm also going to keep using
Alyssa Ryan's Artistic Journey
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those.
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So screw you. It's all good. ah But yeah, I'm a local Tacoma artist, and I've i've been in the Tacoma-Lakewood area the vast majority of the past 20 years.
00:02:42
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I grew up down in Lakewood, and I've kind of been doing art since I was old enough to hold a pen. I've always been really confused by the question, when did you become an artist?
00:02:55
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Because some people have an answer. i i don't. i simply single- like, I was born into this artist body. Exactly. Like, I remember being like four years old and getting in trouble because my mom had an apple slicer and she had like this cover.
00:03:11
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and you know, it was one of the ones you push down and the apples come up and they're all separated. Yeah. Like taking a pen and I had drawn on the inside of like the apple slicer and my brother snitched on me and I got grounded for like a week over it. I was so angry, but i I've been holding a pen and trying to create and express since I could walk and talk.
00:03:31
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I've been a storyteller since i was I was fully verbal at a young age. And my mom tells me that I used to walk around at 18 months telling stories about pumpkins and skeletons. So i ah really prioritize storytelling. And the thing about storytelling that I feel like a lot of people don't value and appreciate is that storytelling is a huge aspect of every single thing that we do with our lives.
00:03:57
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And it's kind of how we how we frame it. And it has the ability to alter our perception in ways most people just skip right over. you can You can take a story, you can twist it and make it something beautiful. You can twist it and make it something horrible.
00:04:11
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And when you tell a story, whether it's your life experience, that of someone else's, you can do that through any medium. You can do it through a painting, you can do it through a drawing, you can do it through a crocheted piece, you can do it through anything, including words.
00:04:27
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And words are very powerful, which is one of the reasons I'm so excited to be on here today, because I love getting to use my words. And as you can already tell, talk a lot. So this works beautifully. I love it.
00:04:39
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um yeah like i love this I love that there are people who didn't have my experience. because like I have a lot of people on this podcast who are also like, oh yeah, like I also did not know that I was creative. you know Some teacher or some parent or some peers or whatever told me I was no good and I believed them. And like, it always breaks my heart how true that is for so many people. So then when I find people who are like, no, yeah, I had just like, I've been making art since I could breathe, speak, like since I came into this world, I'm like, oh, thank God.
00:05:13
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Thank God there are people who didn't have my experience. Well, don't get me wrong. I absolutely have my fair share of naysayers. And lots of like people who would steal my drawings in school and like graffiti them right in front of me. And i love I love my mom.
00:05:30
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Her parenting style was she'd look at my drawing and say, wow, that's improved from last time. She didn't actually give me my first compliment on my art until I was like in high school. And I specifically remember because it was such a big deal.
00:05:43
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But luckily for me, i won the frickin' lottery when it comes to the dad department. And so my dad has been an amazing support for me throughout my entire artistic journey my whole life. He's been a great sounding board, everything from the first short story I had published to he's the one who goes with me to art shows and carries my stuff and helps me set up my booth.
Art and Mental Health
00:06:03
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And he's he's been my cheerleader. I'm gonna If you have one person who will stand with you, it makes all the difference in the world. And so i my my dad, I love him. he has his own stuff.
00:06:18
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And he, I always feel like he doesn't understand how amazing of a dad he is because he's tired all the time. And so he doesn't, he doesn't get the impact that he's had on my life and the life of all of my siblings.
00:06:30
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There's a lot of us. There's four of us in total. And he's he's awesome. So my family definitely played a ah big role. And I don't take that for granted in the slightest. But yeah, no, creation, the way my brother puts it, he puts it the best, which is that I have Genesis power, which means that I don't have the ability to not create ideas anymore.
00:06:51
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I simply breathe and exist and the ideas are there and how to describe how they interact with my brain and how they show up. It makes me sound like a crazy person, but it's almost like I look around the world and I see snapshot frozen moments where it's it's like you put a filter on the world and suddenly it's a painting.
00:07:14
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And it's like, oh, this is how I would frame this feeling. This is how I would frame this moment. This is how I would express this. And it comes through in all mediums. Sometimes it's painting, sometimes it's poetry, sometimes it's a short story, but it's just these little snapshot moments coming at me so fast, I can't capture them all ways that I would express this and express this and express this.
00:07:32
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And it's to the point where if I don't create things, my mental health suffers and my physical health suffers and I start struggling. And so, it's it's a very interesting perspective because I almost have like a deep empathy and respect for those people who didn didn't come from that because I have this this curiosity of, okay, how what does your process look like? How does it differ from mine?
00:07:58
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And it just makes me want to dig in and learn more. and I have a fascination with the human experience. And so I just want to know how everybody's experiences differ. And- It's, yeah. there's There's a lot going on. Lots of layers. And i could I could talk forever on art and creativity and expression. It's dangerous.
00:08:17
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Yeah, that's so good. Okay, really quick. So if anybody's listening to this and they're like, oh, that could never be me, like my brain doesn't work like that. I just want to touch on this because like as you were talking about like the way that you see things and like have these ideas come to you and like this birth and generation of ideas.
00:08:39
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Like that, I didn't used to have that. And like, I used to feel that like stuck feeling of like, i I didn't experience the world like that. It was very much like I stayed in this very safe zone that wasn't curious.
00:08:55
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And so if you are listening to this podcast, you know, that like i like didn't always I wasn't always like this it is a learned it can be a learned experience like not everyone will experience it exactly Alyssa is saying but like I have like the more that I get curious about what I can make, the more like I do notice myself having those moments of like, wow, I just appreciate this moment so much more. And I'm like, this is inspiring some kind of words or poetry or some kind of vision that I want to then put out into the world. And it's,
00:09:30
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It's cool. It's really fucking cool that you can like learn this and practice it regularly. And it's not just something that is totally inaccessible to like the artist type. It's like, no, it's a human characteristic. Like, yes, all of our brains work differently. Your type, like your flavor of artistry or creativity is going different than Alyssa's, different than mine. But like this, the human experience to be curious and creative and it's a skill that can be fostered and tended to.
Creativity and Self-Discovery
00:10:00
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So that makes me wonder, did you have a specific moment or experience that helped either unlock that creativity or really help drive that creativity that shifted the way you think about things to help access more of that, as my brother says, idea genesis?
00:10:17
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Yeah, i it wasn't just one moment.
00:10:23
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Well, since they have disappeared, I will tell a dad joke. What do you call a dog um a submarine?
00:10:35
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I can't remember where I left off. Actually, i was going to say... So what you what you were talking about was the importance of of saying yes to yourself and saying yes to your ideas. and i love that you brought that up because that is a personal life philosophy of mine that I've never heard anybody else use.
00:10:55
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And I loved hearing you talk about your your ugly art too because that is how I've always been as an artist. and I am not... I know that it's a very common trend when being an artist to focus on perfection, but I've got ADHD and I've got autism. as an As a human being experiencing life, I myself am not perfect and I've never been concerned with perfection.
00:11:21
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Good enough and doing my best, which changes every day, That is enough for me. And so when i one of my favorite paintings that I ever made is a painting called Wind Blown Girl.
00:11:33
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It was my very first time ever using oil and I did the entire thing using a palette knife. And I love palette knives because they are so imperfect when it comes to creation. And I originally had this one vision and it just kept failing and it kept not working. And I kept trying to rework it. And the paint was just getting thicker and thicker. And with oil, it doesn't dry for like three months. And i finally, i got a fresh palette.
00:11:59
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I got my knife and I just started stacking and swishing. And I created this... the The art style, what I like to call it is I like to say I do abstract favistic portraits, which basically breaks down to creating images of people that are not naturally colored, aren't cartoons, but also aren't realistic.
00:12:21
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And so they they have some interesting textures and colors that you wouldn't normally see in a portrait of a person. And... I just was smacking at it and smacking at it. And finally I looked at it and I realized that I had created this incredible painting full of life and movement where you could see this this hope and despair on this facial expression while everything was drawn together and moving. And it became my favorite piece. And to this day, I painted that six years ago, I think.
00:12:53
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To this day, it is still my all time favorite painting I've ever created. And it was created out of this moment of chaos and stress and imperfection. And whether I'm working with ceramics, ceramics especially, paint, um drawing, i I make so many mistakes all the time. It's always a hot mess.
00:13:13
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And it's like Bob Ross says, you know, any little mistakes turn into happy little trees or whatever. Happy little trees. have taken that mentality to to heart deeply. And so nothing I ever make is perfect.
00:13:26
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And sometimes it messes with me a little bit where I'm like, oh, I just I don't like that one because this could have been different or this could have been different. And other ones like Windblown Girl, I look at it. I'm like, that is an expression of me and my mess and my beauty. And i love that.
00:13:42
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And again, about the open doors, I, as ah as a kid growing up, we were kind of, we were on food stamps. We didn't have a lot of income. And so it was really hard for me and my family to go out and and do traditional adventures. Like we didn't get to go out to dinner. We didn't go to movies.
00:13:58
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We had our house, but that was it. We were basically limited to the things within our house and the free programs put on by schools. And I learned very early on as a kid two that it's okay to accept help and that it's okay to say yes.
00:14:13
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And through saying yes, I ended up with all kinds of incredible adventures. Like I went to a ah program put on by the University of Washington Tacoma every summer where I got to do math and science and leadership and it was all free.
00:14:29
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You got like a ah but day trip to a water park and all kinds of cool stuff. And a lot it was science-based But when I was 16, I had a cover of Seven Years Old by Lucas Graham produced by an Emmy-nominated producer.
00:14:43
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Like... Just because that was we were doing music that year and we met him and he was amazing and super awesome. And somewhere floating around on my email, there's a copy of me singing something that's like really well produced.
00:14:57
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And I've ended up with these exquisite adventures. And all I ever did was just say, yes, why not put in the application for this? Why not? I mean, worst thing they're going to do is say no.
00:15:09
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And so I have two really big life philosophies. And the first one is, if the odds are one in a million, why can't I be the one? What's stopping me from being the one? Someone has to get it.
00:15:22
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So why can't it be me? And I've been to space camp, like at the US Rocket Center in Alabama. I got a full ride scholarship. Amazing. Because I talked about how I wanted to be the kind of person who used art as a way to translate science into a language that everyone can understand.
00:15:43
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And they're like, okay, sure. So I was the only artist in a room of 100 science and STEM kids. And i got one of 20 scholarships with over 3,000 applicants across the country.
00:15:55
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So wow there are amazing things that you can do for art for your life if you just bother to say yes. And why not? Mm-hmm.
00:16:06
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that space camp, I found out about that two days before the application was due. And there was a whole video essay you had to do and edit it and everything. And I just said, yeah, why not?
00:16:18
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That sounds like fun. May as well try my best. And it is just incredible the things that, you know, can happen for you when you say yes. And it makes me so happy you have the same like philosophy because I don't know very many people who say that.
00:16:34
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you know, it's, it's such a beautiful thing and it leads to a very full, rich life.
00:16:41
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And it's a new day now. If you're, if you're listening to this, that might just sound a little random, but um if you're watching this, you will see ah that we are in new clothes now. um We had some technical difficulties and had to um cut our last conversation.
00:16:57
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Well, the first part of this conversation short. So we're kind of re-entering the conversation where we left off. um So yeah, now I'm in a kind of Mr. Rogers card cardigan.
00:17:11
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ah Otherwise I look the same. Hey, it's a good way to describe it. What about you, Alyssa? Well, I have, I'm a little little bit of a huge Taylor Swift fan, so I have my Speak Now cardigan on and, you know, blue long-sleeve shirt and some very comfortable, like, grandma floral pattern sweatpants.
00:17:32
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And my hair, my blue hair is nice and wavy today, which makes me feel good. i love it when my hair does fun things. So, you know, gotta keep it. close amazing You look like a you look like a merfolk. I know. Right. In the in the sunlight, the green comes out a little bit more because I put like five different shades in when I dyed it a couple months ago.
00:17:51
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And so it like changes color in different light. And it it makes me feel like a mermaid princess all the time. And we love that little extra zhuzh, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:03
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Oh, so good. um Okay, so we were talking about just like how ah yeah saying yes to yourself and yes to your creative ideas is this like beautiful expression of a love for yourself.
Embracing Imperfection in Art
00:18:16
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um And i yeah, i I started really feeling this because as I started like making that ugly art and stuff and like, I'd noticed like an idea pop into my head and instead of being like, oh, you know, oh yeah, that would be a fun idea or like, oh yeah, that's, you know, I just completely ignoring it. I started being like, oh, I could do that idea. And like, if I'm scared that I'm gonna mess it up, I could just make it ugly on purpose yeah at first. And like, then if I wanna do it again, I can.
00:18:43
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And so then like, and as I started Saying yes in that way of like, yeah, I can and it can be bad or it can be whatever it wants to be. then it just I started noticing like this really like this little part of me started feeling so like warm and like accepted and loved whenever I did that.
00:19:03
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And it's just like, oh I've just been rejecting so many ideas from myself for so long. And it it really, it just, it's, there's just so much self-love there um and saying, yes, I do deserve this. Yes, I deserve to have my weird little ideas come out on paper or be molded into clay or whatever you're going to do with them. Yeah.
00:19:25
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So yeah, I love that we share that philosophy. It's really beautiful Oh, absolutely. And one of my favorite things too about that mentality of of saying yes, especially when it comes to artistic creative expression, is that you learn so much from yourself in the process.
00:19:41
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Like yeah some of the paintings, for example, that I am by far the most proud of came from those weird little ideas. And it's like, well, would this even work?
00:19:52
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um ah Like a couple of months ago, i was I was making this painting and I wanted it to, it's a relatively large painting, but on the front it is it's ah it's a white figure that you know looks like they have like water dripping out of their hands.
00:20:07
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But I wanted them to look a little bit more ghostly. And I didn't feel like using oil because was going to take forever. And so I got this random idea. i was like, what if we took acrylic paint and watered it down like watercolors? I wonder how that would go. and It's actually become like my go-to focal point piece when I do art booths and stuff. And it's very popular. I have a lot of people talk to me about this one piece.
00:20:36
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And I never would have done that if I had been like, oh see, that's a dumb idea. And I was like, but what if? And again, it was when we were talking about like Windblown Girl at our last recording session. That was another one of those like things.
00:20:47
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Well, what if and you just say yes, and it it really does give you the chance to say yes to yourself. And it's exactly like you said, it's a beautiful way of showing yourself that you do care what you feel and it resonates in a different way than, you know, just doing the same thing that you're used to over and over and over again.
00:21:08
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Yeah. And like you also learn in doing that, you learn like what you like like, especially if you're somebody who doesn't really know yourself that well. If you're like, well, like I'm not really sure what my style is or I'm not sure how I like to express myself, like exploring that and saying yes to like those different little creative thoughts. It helps you be like, oh, yeah, I do like this. I like this color. I like this texture. I love this medium. yeah Or I don't like that texture. I don't like that color. You yeah learn those and like you really solidify like who you are and how you want to express yourself. like Making art is how I realized I was queer because I like started making art and started realizing what more was inside of me. And I was like, oh, there's a lot in here that I just like haven't been paying attention to and haven't been saying yes to. yeah And now that I am, I'm like, oh, it's all here and I can explore it. I can figure it out and I can see what I like.
00:22:01
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It's amazing. i I will admit I had a little bit of a similar experience in that I discovered how much I love illustrating women. Just the natural like curves of women and their facial expressions. And i do not have a mutual like joy of expressing images of of of men.
00:22:23
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And that definitely led to some some personal questions. You're like, i wonder why. Why is it that love drawing and painting women? And... Here we are several years later. We're like, it's just because women are beautiful and women are awesome. It's just because women are beautiful.
00:22:40
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Women are so beautiful, man. I will get so distracted. And i I love that my partner and I will be walking down the street and, you you know, I'll like wave to some...
00:22:51
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woman, I'll be like, give her a compliment on something and then we'll just like look at each other and both be like, oh my gosh, wasn't she so pretty? And we'll just both kind of like gossip about it for a minute and then we just go about our day. it's it's It's never like a weird moment. It's just kind of like a okay, girl, and then just keep on keep on going. And, you know, it's really special to be able to just celebrate the beauty of people.
00:23:14
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That's something I feel like is it's what it's something that's really well captured by really more classic older art, especially in, like, statuary, is just the simple, elegant beauty of humanity.
00:23:28
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And I feel like a lot of that has been lost over time, where... art changes and and develops and it doesn't have the same I don't know if it's not honorific. That's not the word I'm looking for, but there's a certain way that the human experience was treasured in art that we don't see it the same way anymore.
00:23:49
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And so it just gives me a really deep appreciation for not just the amazing modern art that we get to see all the time that's always emerging, but it gives me a soft spot for the classics too.
00:24:00
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And just that creative expression. And i mean, art has lasted longer than any empire in the world. It's one of the most powerful and dangerous things that was ever created by the human mind.
00:24:14
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I mean, art can fuel a political movement. It can, you know, warm your heart. It can inspire you, make you think about new things. Art is revolutionary and it's incredible.
00:24:25
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And it just, it always has been, and it's going to last longer than any current surviving civilization. I mean, we have statues from you know the Romans and the Greeks that have survived thousands of years to today.
00:24:39
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and it makes me wonder what kind of art I would want to create that would transcend generations and centuries? What kind of thing would I want to leave behind for posterity? I mean, it's just, it's kind of a cool thing to think about when we think of, you know, older art, newer art and how they, how they merge and how they differ. And it's just a fun thing I like to think about too. And it's a great place you can pull other inspiration from.
Art's Timeless Influence
00:25:05
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What is, what is it the the common saying? There's no such thing as an original idea. Everything's inspired by something. yeah so Yeah, everything is inspired by something. yeah And like so many things.
00:25:15
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Yeah, so many things have been like things have been discovered. Things have been like there's this ah thing about like, however, I've talked about this on this podcast before, ah but it's like,
00:25:26
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there's only so many like combinations of like musical notes because there's only so many musical notes and there's like scientists who have like grabbed like my girlfriend would be able to tell me the specifics she's not in bed right now but it was like like the combination of those has already been like mathematically revealed.
00:25:49
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And so really it's about artists uncovering and rediscovering for themselves and then interpreting it in their new ways and adding their own little unique spark to it that makes it different, that makes it unique. But like there is no like truly unique idea. If you're waiting for something truly unique in order to make it like ah
00:26:12
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I mean, there's so many like, yeah, like you're unique, like you are unique. That's what makes it unique. And so like you have to just like make it and that is then you're making you're doing the thing.
00:26:23
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Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And it always something that i I hem and I haw with especially recently is the the increase in AI generated art.
00:26:36
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And there's kind of a quote floating around on the internet that's something along the lines of, I want AI to do my dishes and laundry so that I have time to do my art, not for AI to do my art so I have time to do my dishes and laundry. And, you know, talking, you know, more on art that that transcends time and everything, I don't feel like art is as valued as it was a long time ago.
00:27:00
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And um have a train of thought and it's slowly slipping away from me. I've got to chase this bad boy down because it was a really good one. um But with AI art and everything, art is becoming so mass produced by computers that I feel like it almost it it doesn't necessarily draw away from artists because you know there is an element of you know, uniqueness to everything that's created, but it kind of breaks my heart to see art without the human spark to it, you know?
00:27:32
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And for for people who don't necessarily have the skill to draw what they have in mind, or, you know, they haven't practiced painting, so they're maybe not able to do those smooth edges and lines that they would want.
00:27:45
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AI as a generative process can be very beneficial, especially as a learning tool, But more and more, I feel like I'm seeing like for Christmas, my little sister got a puzzle and it was a cat puzzle, had a whole bunch of cats on it.
00:27:58
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But you could tell that the image was AI generated because every single cat, it was like cats on a bookshelf, but every single cat was done in a different style. And not in like an intentional way. It was like a this cat has five legs and is a completely different fur texture than this cat, which looks like it's got a bright sunlight on its face. And you can tell that it was created by AI.
00:28:20
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And that's fine. But personally, when shopping for something like that, I would have wanted something that was created maybe by an artist where they're getting paid by the copyright, you know, something.
00:28:32
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So I have this this concern that the more that AI and other technologies that mimic art develop, We as humans are going to get to create less of it because there's going to be even less of a need than people already think there is. Now, humans need art to survive. That's an acknowledgement. Art is vital to everything. It's in the sciences. It's used in everything from engineering to architecture.
00:28:55
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It's used simply to make people happy. It's used in color theory, psychology. it Art is vital to our human survival. And yet it is so undervalued, if that makes sense.
00:29:07
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So yeah. yeah As the way... Sorry, that was a little cameo from Cinnamon. She just... Cat bye. She actually... She and Gracie were wrestling behind my laptop a minute ago, and they bumped and was like, okay.
00:29:22
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And then Cinnamon's like, fly bye! It's what I get for having three cats. yeah And the elf of us on the bookshelf like being a weirdo, so it's all good.
00:29:34
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But, you know, i it's ah It's a fear and a curiosity to see how art develops and changes with new technology, political movements, um that kind of thing, and just see how it evolves.
00:29:47
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Everything does. The only cost is change. But... I just, I don't want it to go extinct because art is so precious. yeah I just, and wish I wish could just zap into everyone's mind on the whole planet. you know how there's like that whole question of like, if you could like project one thought into every single person's head on the planet, what would it be?
00:30:05
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And it's like, you have like three sentences. Mine would be like, art is vital. Support local artists. Bring more art into your life. Boom. Whole world.
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Everyone gets more art. We call it good. We move on.
00:30:22
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I love that. I think mine would probably be similar. It would be like, make more art. yeah You make art. Yes, you. Yes, you who thinks you're not an artist. Oh my gosh. My biggest pet peeve is when people look at your art and they're like, oh, I could never. I'm not an artist. And it's like, I could never. you are an artist.
00:30:39
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The difference I've practiced for 15 years. I started out exactly where you are now. There is no excuse for you not to be able to do this. You just have to be willing to put in the 15,000 hours that I did.
00:30:52
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You know, you put in that effort, you're going to get there. That's how it works. And I just, it boggles my mind when people think that they're not artists. I'm like, didn't you decorate your home? That's art.
00:31:03
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Didn't you plant your garden? Yeah. That's art. Didn't you dress yourself this morning? Didn't freaking dress yourself this morning? That's art. Didn't you do your makeup? That's art.
00:31:15
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Like, yeah it's vital for survival. just, I need to make that a t-shirt. Okay, coming soon. Art. Vital for survival t-shirt. Alyssa Ryan on Etsy. We're gonna make it happen.
00:31:29
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It'll be like a The Ugly Podcast exclusive. do. Like, we're gonna we're gonna make it happen. You know, we'll do, like, a little promo code so anybody who, like, listens on the podcast, you know, go to the little caption or whatever, we'll get a promo code. I'll make a special t-shirt. Like, art is vital for survival!
00:31:49
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future lore here to tell you that Alyssa actually did make that shirt and it will be available through the link down in the show notes. If you use the code ugly art, you will get 20% off of a shirt that says art is vital for survival.
00:32:05
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So go check it out. Okay. Back to the episode. Bye.
00:32:11
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Art is vital for survival. Title of the episode. ah love that. yes Yes. Yes. We love we love those tanid candid moments.
00:32:22
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Yes. Okay. Before we get too carried away with our conversation, because I feel like we could just talk about this forever, let's make some ugly art together. And while we're doing that, I know it's kind of hard to like make and talk, but if you'd like, I would love to chat about... like what you mentioned earlier about how like art will extend and endure past like through empire through all kinds of revolutions through all kinds of um political movements and you know the trash fire that we're living in now like art will be with us through the heat death of the universe so like how like what's something that you uh have on your mind right now about like your art and how you want your art to like
00:33:10
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fuel your own resistance and just like contribute to this time that we're in um and before you answer no i'm like thinking there's like there's there's a whole bunch of little teeny tiny baby trains of thought none of them are enough to make a sentence but they're a there and they're coming together so we'll we'll we'll see Perfect. Well, while those are um coming together, um for the kind of art making, I like to just kind of, if something's on your mind and you want to run with it, go for it.
00:33:40
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um But usually i like to let my hand kind of guide me in some kind of scribble, um just like whatever feels good in my body. And then I just kind of expand on it and like, how ugly can I make this?
00:33:51
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um And how weird can I make this? Or like, what is drawing my attention? So that's kind of just like What I like to do, if that sounds good to you, excellent. If you have a different process that you want to engage in now, please do that. yeah um But yeah, and we'll just chat and we'll do this for like five-ish minutes yeah and then um i keep chatting. One of my favorite things about starting any piece of art, no matter what it is, is that it always starts very ugly.
00:34:17
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I get my my little pencil and I will just block it like you would a play, right? I just, I start with like, you know, the little bits and then I'll do just like, here's a circle for a head.
00:34:30
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Here's a triangle for someone's torso. And then, you know, map out the whole thing while it's in that chaotic glory. And then you start bringing it together. And when you start off ugly, it's beautiful because it helps you get the vision on the page without giving flying rats behind what the end project is going to look. My cats are wrestling behind my computer again.
00:34:52
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Sim and Nim! Oh my goodness. Okay. Since she's being a gremlin, she gets to have a cameo. This is Cinnamon. She is my baby. She's about eight months old.
00:35:03
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And she is best friends with my dog, Casper, who's a little fluffy white Pomeranian. and she is having zoomies moment, which is why she's got those big eyes right now.
00:35:15
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So I'm just gonna let her run away and hide. um But yeah, she keeps initiating fight, like wrestling playtime with my other cat who's happily sleeping behind my computer. So um But yes, no.
00:35:29
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Anyway, ugly is like the beginning of every piece of art I've ever done. And so it's one of the reasons I like love this so much because you make some have to be perfect, let alone in the very beginning when you're only figuring it out.
00:35:40
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so Exactly. But art that transcends empires. I think the most important thing about having art that transcends empires is that...
00:35:55
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it it says something about the humans who who made it, right? And I feel like the message behind the art is just as important as the actual piece itself. Because you know you have some things like Van Gogh's Sunflowers where it's just an absolutely stunning piece.
00:36:13
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I have no idea if Van Gogh's Sunflowers was actually supposed to like say something or if it's just absolutely gorgeous. um And then you have, you know, other pieces like Julius Caesar getting stabbed.
00:36:31
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And maybe the message is something like the along the lines of don't be a dick-tater. You know? yeah So it's it's one of those... but There's things with beautiful composition where we keep around just because people are ravens and we love our shiny objects.
00:36:46
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And then there's things that people keep around because of nostalgia, like the Mona Lisa. and ones that we keep around because we genuinely believe in what they have to say. i just know that if I were going to create something, I would want it to be a combination of all of it.
00:37:00
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I would want it to be something beautiful that, you know, it's like people with their shiny little ravens and they just want to, you know, have it around.
00:37:11
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And I'd also want to have it be something that made someone somewhere along the path think that maybe there was a different way they could be doing what it is that they're doing now
00:37:26
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absolutely i like the the different categories and the like
00:37:33
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Yeah, because there's there's a lot of different reasons why art resonates with us.
Art as Resistance
00:37:37
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And especially, it's interesting because I keep hearing a lot of um like activists and just people online, artists, saying, like, you know, art is revolutionary, make your art. And like I think some people might think that that means that the art itself has to be political.
00:37:56
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And I don't think that that's necessarily true. like Obviously, I do think like art should be political. and like like I mean, some art should be political. But like I also think that like making your art in a time when expression and freedoms are being limited and restricted and forced into boxes, um that like you making your weird little art is like you taking a stand and being like, I'm still here and I'm still me and the government can't tell me who I am. Exactly. ora And that is such an important thing for you to remind yourself constantly in order to like survive where we're at and then also like push toward oh freedom. us it is um It is so easy right now to feel like, and i i find myself caught in this trap almost daily where I feel like there's nothing I can do.
00:38:55
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You know, like, who's gonna listen to me? I'm just one single weird blue haired girl in the middle of a liberal city with too many cats. Like, why why would anybody bother listening to what I have to say?
00:39:09
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yeah But why why wouldn't people? if i'm If I'm interesting and engaging and I genuinely care, what's stopping people from listening to me?
00:39:21
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you know And even if my little thing, my one way of speaking is you know maybe posting something I drew on Facebook or Instagram or sending it to a friend or you know having it in a magazine or whatever it looks like, sharing that art is absolutely a megaphone, especially if it's the right way to share it.
00:39:43
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And yeah in a time when it's so easy to feel depressed because you feel voiceless, art is such a wonderful way to scream out into the void and surprise yourself on how many people call right back to you saying that they stand with you.
00:40:02
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Yeah, absolutely. The rustling sounds from the cats is so funny. They are. so in in my room, which is where we are right now to everybody who's listening, um I have two different cat trees and I have one of those little like window platforms.
00:40:20
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And so one of my cats is Elphaba and we have we only just moved in here like a couple months ago. So there's still a couple boxes. So Elphaba is sitting on a stack of boxes, jumping in between the cat tree and the stack of boxes.
00:40:33
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Cinnamon is hanging out on the window right next to the stack of boxes, trying to knock over the stack of boxes where Elphaba is currently perched. However, the stack of boxes, the bottom box, has books in it.
00:40:46
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So it's not going anywhere because Cinnamon's only seven pounds. She's not going to knock over the pile of boxes, but she is going to try. Meanwhile, Gracie, you're my oldest, is calmly sitting on my bed right behind my laptop watching the absolute shenanigans that are happening between Alphabud and Cinnamon right now.
00:41:10
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It's a miracle we can't also hear my dog barking in the background. So we're we're we're doing good as far as I'm concerned. um Oh, absolutely. when ah When I first started this podcast with my friend Emerson,
00:41:22
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ah their dogs were always barking in the background and we were just like, well, it's called the ugly podcast for a reason. There's going to be dogs barking and there's nothing we can do about it. And know, there comes a time where it's like, even if you could do something about it, would you really want to? Because it's like how like the common practice now is like when you're in Zoom meetings and stuff and everybody has their cat secretly on their lap and then you have like cat show and tell in the middle of the meeting.
00:41:45
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I can't even tell you how many, like, professional meetings I've been in where one of my cats will show up. The whole meeting stops. Everybody wants to say hi to my cats. And in some cases, like, it won't even phase my coworkers anymore. They'll just be like, hey, Cinnamon.
00:42:00
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And Cinnamon looks and she's like... right why is my name coming from this metal thing? And she just gets so confused. And it's the funniest thing in the whole entire world. um But i mean we were talking about the importance of personal speech and voice and reflection through art.
00:42:20
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And actually, what really came to mind was the um the imagery of the Medusa movement. if if you know what If you know what I'm talking about.
00:42:32
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I don't think I Where Medusa is like i mean i know symbolically used for tattoos and stuff as like a do you You know so story of Medusa, right? I...
00:42:44
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. i was like I didn't know if this was a movement in itself or if it was just like people using Medusa imagery. becoming a movement. As a specific... So it started off as imagery as a way for... um you know I don't know if if I can say this. You might have to edit it out. But it started off as a way for SA survivors to claim their power back for themselves.
00:43:09
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Because the story of Medusa is that Poseidon... kind of had his way with her in Athena's temple and Athena punished Medusa because she couldn't punish a god and turned her into a Gorgon.
00:43:21
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And so the idea is that a lot of survivors of that kind of situation will, you know, do they'll do a Medusa tattoo or they'll have a painting hung up hung up in their house or whatever. And it's a very powerful reclaiming energy.
00:43:36
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And yeah since a lot of recent political things have arisen, um it's kind of grown into not just those types of survivors, but women overall in general saying, you can't take our rights from us.
00:43:55
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You know, it's it's that like... hey, we're still here. We still matter. We are valid in our feelings. We have rights. you know You will not silence us. You will not stop us from telling our story.
00:44:10
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And the more it grows and the more powerful it gets, like every time I see, because I see so much incredible art like everywhere, whether it's social media or just...
00:44:22
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walking around or my friends will send me something they're working on. And there's something to me that's deeply resonating and really powerful about a lot of the Medusa imagery that I've seen, especially in the past like two months or so.
00:44:36
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And it kind of, we're talking about art being a revolution, when you see the art, it makes you want to stand with the artist. But it also, you also get a little bit of human empathy because you want to know their story so you can bond.
00:44:55
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You can exchange those war stories and realize that you're not alone in your experience. And I feel like the best revolutions are based on a footing of unity from just the simple everyday people.
00:45:09
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And when we see that, we both have a Medusa story to tell and have the opportunity to come together and, you know, share that story. I feel like it just helps us come even more into our power.
00:45:24
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And it makes me curious if at some point, like Medusa imagery is just going to be straight up not allowed anymore, you know, where it's like, yeah, like when is censorship going to come into
AI vs. Human Creativity
00:45:35
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play? And like, we know it's, it already does. Censorship is already such a big thing. So like how,
00:45:40
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how far are they going to take it? and like how far But that also, like when you start censoring, it gives artists so much more power, i feel like. Oh, it does. Oh, you're going to make this illegal? Oh, boy You're going to have that spray painted everywhere.
00:45:55
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It's like the Luigi Mangione saint. Yes, exactly. I love that so much. Because talk about powerful art. If you're saying that someone who did something like that is equivalent to a saint in your perspective, it's like, hmm, there's probably a really good reason as to why that person has that perspective.
00:46:18
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Funny. And every time I'm just like, I'm more likely to fling a salute that direction than i am at like some more...
00:46:30
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and I don't know how to say this tactfully, oh more traditional patriotic imagery. yeah. I'm much more likely to saw this support that.
00:46:44
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Right. I saw this guy ah do a, like... um You know that the picture that they posted of um like all the cops reading- Yeah! Is it the Batman or the Superman comparison where he's like- No, it wasn't it wasn't the Superman comparison. It was um like comparing it to the ah one of the famous paintings of like Jesus being like walked to the cross.
00:47:07
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and just like the song I know. it's like ah It's a Renaissance painting. And I'm just like, holy shit that's so good i i saw one that it was literally like the comparison of like superman being walked in chains with like all the yeah police around him arresting him versus luigi and i'm i again art speaks so much like Yeah.
00:47:35
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We're, we're, we don't even need examples. They just exist in the conversation. They're just, they just naturally, they're like Pokemon in the wild. They just naturally appear and we just catch them and we use them and it's great.
00:47:48
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So, no, art, art truly is powerful. I was, uh, out monkey shine hunting. And for those of you who are unfamiliar, it's a little bit of a local Tacoma tradition.
00:48:01
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um But I was out looking for monkey shines and I was hiding some rogues the other day. um And i there was a guy and he was walking a very, very sweet dog.
00:48:12
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And I asked if I could pet his dog. And he said yes, which is not the point of the story, but it's very important anyway. And he was wearing a hat and ah this was between our recording sessions. And so I was thinking about this.
00:48:27
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I was thinking about like our conversations when I saw this guy and his hat was just a dark green hat. And in yellow, it just said art is dangerous. That's it. Ooh, I love that.
00:48:38
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like bold, embroidered, block text, all caps, ART IS DANGEROUS.
Art as a Medium for Change
00:48:45
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And I've been thinking about that hat like all week because yeah it's true.
00:48:52
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Art is dangerous. It is one of the most dangerous things in the entire world. Art can incite people. It can encourage people. It can give hope. It can give energy. It can give It can convey information. i mean, want to talk about some phenomenally used art and information.
00:49:12
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Let's talk about the Underground Railway. Like, they used quilts for communication. That is art saving lives. That is art as a form of communication. Art is vital for survival. I'm going to say it again.
00:49:26
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Especially if it's going to be an episode name. Like, I feel like it needs to be brought up at least two more times. So... Of course, you kind Inappropriate places, of course, but it's just... I just love how powerful and amazing art is. And don't get me wrong, that's not like the big reason why I do it, but it's definitely something that's kept me going on it for a long time, if that makes sense.
00:49:54
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Because when you're struggling to feel like you have a voice... That's art is a great way to feel heard. by Yeah. And to exercise that voice absolutely that you do have.
00:50:09
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Not everybody has a megaphone, but since I have one, I may as well use it. And art is my megaphone. Absolutely. um Okay, speaking of your megaphone, let ah do you want to show me what you made?
00:50:23
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um Yeah, so we were talking about the Medusa art. So I was kind of working on ah hidden... I did it in light blue, so it might be a little hard to see, but...
00:50:37
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It's a human figure. Doesn't look as good on the camera as does in person. um But it's a human figure. and i mean, it looks beautiful. it's It's going to be a Medusa.
00:50:47
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um I was going to have her walking with like her traditional like Greek armor. She's going to have like a shield on that arm that's kind of extended forward. She's going to have an aegis, which is, of course, for those of you who aren't did not go through ah like a hyper fixation on Greek mythology phase in middle school like a lot of us did.
00:51:08
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um And Aegis was e just was the the sword or the le laette the shield that Zeus had he made or Perseus had. Somebody had a shield, right? And it had maduc like a cast iron of Medusa's face on it that would startle your foes and your enemies. So I'm literally creating a Medusa who has a shield with a picture of herself on it to use to scare people nice walking down a modern street.
00:51:35
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So amazing. I was we were talking about it. I was like, you know, that would be super interesting to see an illustration of. So that's what we have yeah right now. It's a hot mess. The posture is driving me crazy.
00:51:46
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Like it is irritating me that it does not line up. But it's ugly art. And guess what? Gorgons aren't real, which means that if I want to give her unrealistic posture, it fits and it works and it's beautiful. And I'm just kind of fun. um So what did you? This is my little guy.
00:52:05
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um He's like a weird little worm up in the clouds with some lightning around him. Okay. his god you also use blue? yeah Yeah. He's just a big old worm guy. he He's so brave so weird. i don't know what. It kind of has this like surprise look on his face. His eyebrows are like way up high.
00:52:29
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um and i'm like imagining him being like how the fuck did i get up in these clouds and how do i get down oh my gosh i love him weird he's awesome so shocking yeah
00:52:49
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ah
00:52:54
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ah hu my my sister-in-law what shocking revelation that he was that high off the ground yeah i'm i mean ah we'll see oh my my art is just like kids' but so spread out you' sporadic right now anytime i try to like that would be so like your concept of ugly i abandoned it immediately that would be like the well i guess i'm just not gonna do that so it's just gonna be random i'd vibe with that
00:53:23
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I love that. Ooh, yes.
00:53:29
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ah Ooh! Oh my gosh. So cute. Oh, yeah.
00:53:40
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Oh, speaking of snakes, can i can I show you what I've been working on? So for Lunar New Year, I've been hiding snakes, and so I've been getting really good at crocheting snakes. They're so cute.
00:53:52
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So this one's actually a commissioned order. I had a woman message me and she's like, hey, I love your snakes you've been hiding. you Could I buy some for my grandkids? I was like, absolutely. yeah I have this little little green one. I have ah purple one too, but the other eye isn't done yet.
00:54:08
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But they're just like, but just little, little sneaky dudes. Like, you know, makes me want to make a snake that like has like little lightning bolts on it, you know? Right? Give it like spiky teeth.
00:54:22
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I even figured, so here's, so talk about ugly art. My crocheting is probably the ugliest art I make. And here's why. Here's why. I taught myself how to crochet in the sixth grade.
00:54:34
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The only thing I knew had to do at the time, my mom taught me how to do a chain stitch when I was about six years old. By the time I was in middle school, I had made dozens of skeins of yarn into just skeins of chain stitch. Like, I didn't know how to do anything else.
00:54:51
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And one day i was in class because I had ADHD. I still do. It's really, really bad. You could tell just by probably listening to this podcast. um But i had all the ADHD. And so I would sit in class and I would just crochet chain stitches while I was listening to lectures.
00:55:08
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And this fab fabulous English teacher, her name is Mrs. Williams. And one day I was in her class and this kid who did not like me, was kind of a bully, was like, can you make anything else than like those sad worms?
00:55:23
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And I was like, I wonder, I don't know if I could. He's like, I bet you can't make a doll. And I was like, okay, well, I had blue and that was the only stain of yarn I had on me.
00:55:35
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So I undid all the chain stitch. I reballed my yarn and sat for the rest of class trying to figure out how to build on this single chain stitch.
00:55:48
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By the end of the school day, I had made a very misshapen human adjacent-ish figure with a very long torso, short fat legs, i love little super skinny arms, and a very lopsided head.
00:56:06
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hu To this day, good i only know how to do one stitch. And I don't know how to use a pattern. I have never used a pattern in my life.
00:56:19
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I know one stitch, and i just I just make it up as I go. So, like, for the snake, for example, this is a pretty good-looking snake, right? But I used one stitch for this, and I don't know how to do anything else.
00:56:35
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I can't make things that are flat. Like, I can't make a sweater. ah can't make a granny square. i can't make a scarf. I can't do anything. But... tell me to make a dinosaur and i got you and i'll just make it up i i will crochet these brontosaurus dinosaurs and before i can even finish it out i'll get like halfway through and someone's already like so i can buy that from you right i would sell them in my etsy shop or like at fairs but i can't keep them in stock it's like as soon as i make one somebody in the universe's little brain goes ding
00:57:08
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I love that. and they're like i but every single dinosaur i've ever made is completely different than every other dinosaur i've ever made every it's just a snake you'd think i'd follow the same right so snake is completely different And they're just snakes!
00:57:28
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It's a tube! It's a tube with a face! so So, I call them my chaotic critters because every every single thing I've ever crocheted is completely unique, completely different, no patterns.
Crocheting Without Rules
00:57:46
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I just make it up. If I need the shape to get bigger, I just add more stitches. If I it to get smaller, I shrink the stitches. And that's it. thats That's literally all there is to it. And I will do entire complex shapes using a single piece of yarn just because I can. And I taught myself how to do this in the sixth grade. Uh-huh.
00:58:04
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And I've had people ask me, hey can you teach me how to crochet? I'm like, absolutely not. Because you have to have a three-dimensional constructive engineering brain to, like, figure out how to 3D model and scale as you actively work through the piece and calculate how the string is going to pull to tighten and loosen in what areas. love And if you can't do, like, love it so much. And then, like, that's one of the reasons why i like invited you on the podcast and we started talking in the first place too was like I was looking through everything at your booth and everything was so different like you had just like nothing was like in the same style nothing like everything was like a different style a different medium and I'm just looking around I'm like this is incredible and then we started talking about just like yeah why would you choose like why would you like make your brain do the same thing over and over again if it doesn't want to just' like like let your brain do what it wants to do
00:58:56
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so Exactly. amazing. And, you know, when you were looking at my stuff, you got to see, you know, prints of drawings and paintings, actual drawings and paintings. ah You saw some of my ceramic work. You saw some of my glass work. I've done stained glass, fused glass and blown glass.
00:59:12
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um I do drawing and painting, crocheting, knitting, beading. I do, you know, rudimentary jewelry work. I do customizing shoes. I do ah furniture refurbishment.
00:59:23
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um I do like macrame and like, I even like make book covers. like if if there's a thing that exists i want to try it and it's again saying yes to yourself and letting yourself try these these new strategies and techniques and stuff and that's yeah you know where you get crazy crocheted snakes that are completely unique and different and interesting so so good yeah i love it but
00:59:59
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Well, we do need to wrap up.
Final Thoughts and Support for Artists
01:00:01
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Yes, I know we have a lot of lot of talk time. but ah so much Well, and it's just it's so easy to talk to you and you have such interesting, fun things to say. So thank you so much for being here.
01:00:11
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it was an absolute, absolute pleasure. Good. I will have Alyssa's Etsy store linked in the bio. Please go check it out. um Is there anything else that you would like to ah plug or and let people know what you're doing?
01:00:27
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um Not, well, not anything to plug other than just, you know, i would always encourage you to support local artists if you're ever given the opportunity, whether it's, you know, going to local craft fairs or local artist run events, because You know, we don't get to share our stuff if people don't show up.
01:00:49
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So, you know, show up for your communities. Don't in a time of fear. Don't be afraid to turn to your neighbors and make new friends. Don't separate yourself out from from people that you care about. Don't be afraid to ask for help. And, you know, if the odds are one in a million, why can't you be the one?
01:01:04
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Always say yes to yourself and just be kind. That's. kind of the big things I live my life by and it makes a huge difference so I encourage you all to do so but I think that's all for me at least amazing thank you so much Alyssa yeah it was my pleasure thank you so much for having me Of course, anytime. And thank everybody for listening. um If you like the show, please be sure to go rate and review it. And um I am starting my Come As You Art events.
01:01:36
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ah Well, I started it last month, but I'm continuing them into all the months. ah Third Thursday of every month, if you want to come create art with me virtually, um you can sign up through the link on my website and all the details are in the show notes.
01:01:51
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Keep it ugly, everybody. you The Ugly Podcast is created by me, Laura Alexander of Scribe and Sunshine. It's produced and sort of edited also by me and written and directed by absolutely no one.
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Our theme song was written and produced by the amazing Zoetronic. if you like the podcast, be sure to rate and leave a review on your preferred platform and share with the creative people in your life. If you're interested in learning more about what I do, head to scribeandsunshine.com to learn more about my ugly art workshops and my editing services.
01:02:17
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If you're having it today, I dare you to make that thing you've been thinking about making but have been too scared it's gonna be terrible. Make it terrible! And as always, keep it ugly.
01:02:29
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You can do it. You can go create.
01:02:35
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Just get to it I promise you'll feel great