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Meeting Yourself w/ Skye
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In this episode, I talk with local Tacoma-area artist, Skye. Skye and I met the way most artists do...by overhearing the other talking about art and staring like a weirdo until it's too awkward to NOT introduce yourself and ask about their art...that's how it's done, right? Well, I'm glad I was weird because now I have this episode and a friend to show for it.
Sky shares about how these past few years motivated her to set aside distractions and start taking her art more seriously. We talk about how art can communicate our subconscious needs and desires, how scary it can be to put that final touch on something, and making art with zero expectations. In the end, making art is all about meeting ourselves in new ways and introducing ourselves to the world.
You can find Skye's art on her Instagram @divine.reflections333
References:
Lauren Cutts Art
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Transcript
00:00:15
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life can get ugly And art sure can too What matters is to do it Let those feelings flow through you
00:00:36
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Hello. Welcome back to the Ugly Podcast. It's me, your host, Laura Alexander. They them. I am a white androgynous person with big round glasses and short curly hair all adjusted temporarily from the 90s. And today I'm wearing a beige crew neck with squiggly illustrations on it. And I've got and awesome guest for you who I met very randomly and I'm excited to go into that. um But briefly, my my guest is a painter occasionally crochets loves romance movies, books and Korean dramas. She's a spiritual person and is still finding her place in the world and loving the journey. Welcome. Can you please introduce yourself with your name, your pronouns and a brief
00:01:20
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visual description, which is also good for me because I can't see you right now. Yeah. um Hello, I'm Skye. I have brown hair, brown eyes. I'm half Mexican and I'm wearing black currently.
00:01:37
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I don't really know what else to say now. That's great. i think I think you're good. Did you say what pronouns you use? Oh, um she, her. Perfect. Excellent. um Thanks so much for agreeing to be here and just agreeing to talk to a random stranger in a Thai restaurant. Yeah. Were you on a date? No. OK. No. I was like, I don't know what these people are doing, but they're talking about this person's art and I need to butt in.
00:02:07
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Yeah, no, it was not a date. It's just a friend. Cool. Well, that's that's better than I feel. Yeah. um Do you want to just share what kind of what kind of art that you like to make? And I mean, I've I've seen stuff on your Instagram, which I'll share in the ah description of this of this episode, um which they're super cool. So I'd love to hear more about like, just your style and how you started making this stuff.
00:02:41
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Yeah, thank you so much. That means a lot that you like my art. It's very strange, the term that I give my art. The best way I can describe my art is very like abstract, but also very feelings based. So yeah it's really personal to me. For a while it's been my outlet to express myself and understand what I'm feeling at the time. and Yeah. I love that and appreciate that so much. It's also very like eerie and like spooky, which I love. um Yeah, that's so cool. um What has, what's like your relationship to creativity been like throughout your whole life? And then like, where are you at now with it? Yeah. so
00:03:40
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Starting with my childhood when I was younger, I used to love drawing. I would try to draw like mostly cartoon stuff, but I would always get so frustrated because it never looked like the cartoon. like um Yeah, I would always try to draw SpongeBob, My Little Pony, and it would never come out right, and I stopped drawing because of that. I stopped drawing for probably like four to five years. And all throughout high school, I didn't really do art at all. It'd be like a little bit here and there and it always be something like copying like Scream or Michael Myers or like copying something. yeah And then I stopped again for a couple of years
00:04:38
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and picked it up around like 2021. Picked it up again and I just started drawing. Just getting my feelings out there and I just stopped caring about what it was going to look like or what is going to come out to be. And it's been crazy. It's been such a crazy journey because I've I don't even know when it happened, but I separated the critique that I've had with art and drawing, and I just kind of put the paint or the pen like wherever it wanted to go, and it's just been such such a nice outcome every single time.
00:05:26
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Yeah, I love that so much. It's so hard to get to that point. Yeah, yeah. ah you You said you like, it was like, in 2021 is, ah do you know, I mean, so something that I, I mean, for me personally, like 2021 is also when I returned to my creativity. So oh yeah, that's a fun coincidence. um But I swear to God it was the pandemic. like It just like made everybody be like, what do I actually want? I'm stuck inside and I have to like actually confront myself. I don't know if that was like if that rings true for you or if like there was anything else that really like pushed you to just be like, no, I'm fed up with thinking that I'm not good enough and I'm just like ready to get my art on the page. Yeah, no. um
00:06:16
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Maybe it was the boredom. Maybe it could have been. Boredom is a very powerful motivator. I think we try to avoid boredom like a little too much. Yeah. I think when you sit in boredom enough, you, for me personally, finally stand up and I'm like, I got to do something, you know, something creative, something with my hands, you know? Yeah.
00:06:44
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Yeah, I've been practicing, like taking a lot of distractions away from me. Like I used to play, I used to play video games a lot and I made a rule for myself. I was like, okay, I'm not going to play on the weekdays. And that led to not playing on the weekends. And so I don't play that often anymore. And that frees up so much time to like read or paint or just exist, you know. So ah we just had some technical difficulties, but that's totally fine. um But we were talking about your relationship to creativity um and like how you got, oh, boredom. We were talking about boredom. um Yes. And how necessary it is to actually
00:07:37
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do the thing. And then also, oh, this is okay. Now I'm remembering all the things are coming back. to me um I was commending you on your, ah your self restraint to actually follow through on goals that you set for yourself and like limiting video games. um Any advice on that? Because my God. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
00:08:02
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For social media, it's easier for me um because Instagram actually has a timer that you can set and it'll pop up. You know, I have mine for 45 minutes and it's like, Hey, time to get off of Instagram. Sometimes I listen to it sometimes. I was going to say, I override that a lot. yeah Like I'm just like, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Yeah. For the most part it works, but, um, sometimes cause I talk to people on Instagram. So I'm like, well, I want to keep talking to them. Um, but for the most part that works for me for the video game thing that
00:08:43
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I don't even know what advice I could give for that. I just made made the choice to not not play games started during the week. well i think When we set goals for ourselves like that and then we actually do the thing that we love doing and we get that kind of like positive reinforcement, then it's just like it becomes easy. You know, like if you're you're if you're making a goal to like limit social media or video games or whatever.
00:09:20
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And then you are miserable doing like something else that you're just like, Oh, I really need to disconnect and I need to zone out. Like you're, you're a lot less likely to follow through with that. Whereas like maybe if you're making space for your art and you're making space to like let yourself be, um, and just like have that like special time with yourself, then you're a lot more likely to follow through with that goal. That makes a lot of sense actually, because I have been,
00:09:49
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working a ton on my art. I haven't done art in probably three months, like little little drawings here and there, but I absolutely love painting and that it takes so much time to paint and to just have like detail. And um that has been you're right it has been such a nice like thing outlet to have instead of just
00:10:23
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rotting away on video games. Yeah. That's what I noticed like um because as we're talking, I'm like, wait a second. like I have found success in this where like yeah I haven't been binge watching TV so much anymore. And like when like after work, I'm so much less likely to be like, okay, I need to like disconnect. I need to zone out and watch something. I'm more like,
00:10:46
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Okay, I'm done with work. I want to like go be present somehow, whether that's like on a walk, whether that's like with friends or making art or like doing something like creative with my time and asking myself, how would I actually like to spend this evening instead of how would i like how do I need to disconnect and zone out right now? um So I have in fact succeeded in that. But I still have a toxic relationship with social media.
00:11:16
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I feel like we all do at this point. We can't help it. It's not our fault. yeah um where Where do you find yourself now with like your creative goals and such? Phrase that differently.
00:11:34
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like So you're loving just like making your art. um And then we were talking before we started recording that you're hoping to be able to like sell your art. So I'm curious like kind of where the relationship between making your art and then maybe your goals for your art, maybe like what are some of the I don't know, where's your your head at for that piece of it. I don't did that feel like I made it more confusing. A little bit. um It's okay. I'll try to answer.
00:12:10
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I mean, it's weird. you know it's It's so weird because I would love to sell my art and get it out there and like have other people across the world enjoying it. like That I would absolutely love for people to enjoy my art.
00:12:27
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but Right now it's kind of fine tuning my technique kind of, and I'm still working with acrylic currently. Eventually I want to go into oil painting. I've heard a lot of good things about oil paints. And so I feel like I'm still kind of, like I'm not quite there yet, and especially as you get into finishing the painting.
00:12:59
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um I know it's it sounds so simple because it really is. You just but put the the varnish on there, you know? But I have ah' yet to do that i get to do that. All of my paintings are, for the most part, like unvarnished. And before I sell art to people, I want i want to be in a space where I'm like, okay, this is an actual finished product and like have it all together before I finally take that step. Yeah. What goes through your mind when you think about adding varnish to like one of your existing paintings? Ruining it. So in the past I have bought different like
00:13:49
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finishing top coats and it has ruined a few. Oh, okay. Yeah, I did it on smaller paintings. Thank goodness. ah And tested it out and it's like very chunky and just totally ruined them. but Interesting. I know there's a lot of thinner varnishes out there. I'm just, I think part of me is scared to take that leap because I know It's going to lead me closer to actually getting sparkle, which is so weird because I want that, but I'm also like kind of dancing in the middle right now. Yeah. That makes so much sense. Like you put so many hours into this painting and then just adding that finishing touch can completely destroy it. Oh my God.
00:14:41
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Yeah, that fear makes a lot of sense. And you just reminded me, I came across this um this artist on Instagram a few a couple weeks ago and I'm obsessed. Her name is Lauren Cutts. I just looked up her name. um She's an oil painter that practices non attachment. And like she creates these like hyper realistic paintings and then intentionally smudges them. And then like and then like adds more detail and stuff so they're these really they end up being these really cool paintings that are intentionally ruined quote-unquote ruined right ah and then like she finishes them from there and like adds other details to the smudged painting but they look really cool I'm actually gonna I'm gonna
00:15:32
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add this to the chat and you can check it out yourself. But um I think that's a really cool, like, it's just like a wild practice, like intentionally ruin these paintings that you spend so much time on. yeah Or at least like having that step to be like, okay, I'm like jumping, I'm like jumping off the edge right now of like, I put so much time in this and like, maybe I'm about to ruin it. Oh my God.
00:15:59
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um But like, that kind of sounds like that's the process anyway like even if this wasn't like, even if you don't do like this intentional practice of like smudging something like it's just you
00:16:15
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adding the varnish in itself is just like a risk to your painting. That's very interesting. I didn't know that was a part of like oil paint. Wait, sorry. You said you did oil painting or you do acrylic. Yeah, I do acrylic currently. It doesn't smudge it. um What I've experienced is the top coat clumping. I think I might in I might have put too much. I might have like not did it right. hu But ever since then, I've been so scared to do it on the paintings that I see as
00:16:49
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good or decent. Yeah. um Hey, that's why you got to do it on the ugly ones. No, but I liked them all. Well, okay. but So this this is my philosophy on life. So if you like them all, then you have to intentionally make one that is bad that you will hate on purpose.
00:17:10
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And like then you practice on that one. And like that is the intentional ugly sacrifice to the ugly arcades that you then can practice varnishing on. Yeah. anyway Yeah, I have seen this. I have seen her Instagram, actually. Yeah, I really i want to have her on the podcast because I really like the practice that she has.
00:17:36
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ah And I love just like the, I'm gonna send her this episode, maybe she'll come. I don't know, the some people ignore my request, that's okay. um But i just I just remember one video that she posted, which was like, um it was like, how do you not be scared?
00:17:58
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To like let go of your painting and she's like i'm not i'm scared every time i do it it's terrifying and i do it anyway and i'm like oh that's so good it's exactly that's exactly it that's the process yeah i can see that it it adds so much movement to it yeah seeing like how she smears it it adds It adds so much. Yeah, it's really cool. And I love that like she wouldn't have discovered that style if she hadn't been willing to like fuck around, you know, yeah um or like hadn't been willing to mess up a painting or hadn't just like messed something up on accident. Maybe she messed something up on accident and then was like, wait a second, this is kind of cool. Like instead, like what if we
00:18:45
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take that approach with our art each time and like anytime we think ah I messed this up it's bad what if instead we were like well what can I make out of it instead like what if I can actually change it what if it's not ruined what if it's just different um I think there's just like a lot of cool um ways we can think about our art differently from that perspective definitely I approach my art very how do I put this Very blank-minded. I never have anything in in my mind. like I'm not like, okay, I'm going to draw a line. I never have anything in my mind of like wanting to make something. it's always It's always just me painting or drawing. I i just let the the paintbrush or the pen like flow.
00:19:43
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anne Surprisingly, I have quite a few portraits that come out, which is very surprising to me. This current one that I'm i' making is super cool. it's like It's a portrait and she has like all of these arms and I'm just super excited to finish it. It's been taking me a very long time, like a couple of weeks now. yeah
00:20:14
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I love that. i I find that's a that's a very similar thing to the way I make my art. Like if I if I do go into it thinking it needs to look a certain way, I always either like I don't know, I just I can't I can't do it. I just like can't I either freeze or my mind goes blank or I just make something that I'm just so unhappy with. But whenever I go into it with that blank mindset, like you're saying, then it's always like I don't know. There's just a lot more room for like surprise. Did. Is that something that like.
00:20:52
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you kind of just stumbled into or were like, did you see other artists that inspired you to do that? Or I don't know. I'm always interested to just know like, cause sometimes like some of us are artists in the sense that like we just make stuff and we like to play around and stuff. But then some people like it's a impulse that like, it's like, no, I have to create something. Like there's something in my brain that I have to get out. Um, and I'm always curious, like what kind of artists people are.
00:21:22
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Yeah. That's a good question. I feel like I am the second thing you said. Um, not, not in a sense of like, I have to get this out, but it's, it's more like, I need to understand what I'm feeling. It's so, is so strange. My relationship with, with art is so incredibly personal and it's literally just,
00:21:50
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What am I feeling right now? And then I paint it. And then afterwards I look at it and I'm like, okay, what can I interpret from this? And a lot of times it's like me having these very strong internal struggles. And I'm like, wow, that's, that's so great that I can tell myself this, you know, um,
00:22:19
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I think it's like a conversation with your subconscious. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's super strange. Yeah. Um, what was your other question? Uh, I don't know. It was, I think it was how I, how I came to. Yeah. How you came to, uh, start doing, start painting like that. Yeah. I mean, like I mentioned earlier, it was that huge break of time I had and then coming back to it.
00:22:49
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I, I just didn't have any expectations that I had previously. It was like the lack of expectations and not having, just not having not having guidelines. Yeah. I think really let myself flow and just be, you know? Yeah.
00:23:17
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that yeah I think that's the best way to like discover your own like personal brand of creativity. Um, not brand in the sense of like branding yourself, but just like your flavor, you know, um, especially like, cause when we're growing up and you're in school, you're taught, like, there's like the one way to do things. And like, there's guidelines for everything you do, including art class. Like there's, it's very rare that you have just like true free form creativity that like, there are no rules or recommendations or how tos. And so like.
00:23:57
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finally breaking out of that is something that's very rare. um So that's awesome that you found that. I love that. Yeah, I wish I could express or explain or have like something to to help or to guide, but I really don't. It's just something that it was almost like I grew out of the expectations. um And I find that bleeding into my life with almost everything, like the lack of expectation, which is very strange. It's like strange, but it's nice, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's so nice. That was like, that was precisely my experience as well. Like as, as I started like taking expectation off of my art and like started playing with art in a way that had no expectations,
00:24:56
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it started carrying over into my life. And it's like, oh, wait, how do I actually want to be in this moment? um And like, what expectations am I holding myself to? And like, who am I trying to appease right now? And really, it was just like, oh,
00:25:11
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I'm, and that's when I came out as gay. And I'm queer. It just like gave me a lot more ah like freedom and creativity and or freedom of expression really, um not just in art, but just in everyday life. I think art art just really helps you figure out who you are. And I love I think that's really special. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I've met so many people and quite a few of them have always like told me, no, I'm not artistic. No, I can't draw. No, I can't do this. And I have this thing in my head. I'm like, everyone can draw. Like yeah everyone has this capability of some sort of it's just how you view life. You know, it's your perspective and art is so different across the board.
00:26:07
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you know You ask like five people to draw a flower and they're all gonna be different. Cause that's how they view themselves and view the world. And I think it's so beautiful, you know? Yeah, I love that. Yeah. We flowed really perfectly into my next question for you, which was how has getting to know yourself influenced your relationship to art? Yeah, it's been a journey to say the least. Getting to know myself.
00:26:38
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from the very broad sense of getting to know myself, like understanding. I don't even know how to answer this question.
00:26:51
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um You're doing great. Yeah, thank you. Getting to know myself. Honestly, it's kind of been handin hand in hand. My art has personally been kind of holding my hand and telling me, like hey,
00:27:07
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What do you got going on here? you know um and The way that I interpret my own art is very, like I said, you know it's very personal. It's very specific sometimes too. For example, I'll make a painting of a portrait and it's a woman and there's like a hole in the neck.
00:27:28
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And I'm like, okay, well, how am I going to interpret this? And I interpret it as me having a lack of a voice in the world, a lack of, yeah, like it's, it's so, so weird how it all just lines up like that. And I've been really working on being more honest and communicate and just existing and um that shows in my art. I don't know how to explain it other than that. It's just like, it just shows like my relationship with art and my relationship with myself has just been so handin hand in hand.
00:28:13
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It's like, yeah, you fixed this, but now this is your problem. um ah yeah There's always something else. Yeah, there there is. and thats So, well, I mean, like we were saying earlier, you're like giving a voice to your subconscious and that like inner self that maybe got buried along the way. Yeah.
00:28:35
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yeah Yeah, I have noticed um recently I have been speaking more on my my truth and standing my ground and it's been such a great experience. um I meditate a lot and I also do yoga and that has also helped so much with just aligning myself with myself. Yeah. And it's it's been great. Yeah, it's that embodiment and like realizing that like getting aligned in your body and your mind, which your mind is part of your body. um But like, yeah, it's it's all very connected and then like on top of that giving
00:29:28
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your like deeper, suppressed thoughts, like a place to show up on a page and like show something else happening in your body that you might not realize, which I think is is super cool, especially with.
00:29:43
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like a lot of your paintings are of like bodies. And so it maybe it like maybe gives you that like even deeper perspective on what might be happening or what you need to process um or what you need to integrate into your life. That's really cool. Yeah, me too.
00:30:07
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Well, I wanted to, I know we don't have like video, but I am curious, would you like to make some ugly art with me? Yeah, sure. Cool. Yeah, we could do that. Awesome. um So yeah, if you have like a ah sticky note or just like a small scrap of paper nearby, we're going to just do like a quick five minute ah ugly, ugly art.
00:30:30
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So this is usually like if you want to just kind of run with it, you can run with however you want. But usually I like to say like start with just like put your pen or whatever you're using like on the paper or touching the paper with your hand and just like do a quick random movement with your hand. Like don't think about it. Just go like a squiggle or whatever.
00:30:54
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Okay. and Then from that, we'll just set the timer and try to make something intentionally terrible on your sticky note. Okay. Just keeping in mind that it is indeed supposed to be ugly. Okay. and We can like chat while you're doing it if you want or you're in the zone or whatever feels good. Yeah, we can talk.
00:31:19
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do you I guess, what do you do? i Well, I should rephrase this. So since you have this like practice that you really like and really jive with, does it ah like does it occur to like in your practice that you like start making something and you're like, ugh, I hate this? And if so, what do you do in those ah situations?
00:31:41
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Yeah, um I have a few ah few paintings that I absolutely hate. This is this absolute dog shit. I love it. Good. You're doing it correctly. Congratulations. But I find myself not wanting to get rid of them despite hating them. ah It sucks because there's a few of them that I absolutely hate, but there's something inside me that's like, well,
00:32:12
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A lot of great artists out there have a lot of things that they've created that they absolutely hate and other people like them. Yeah. So I just, I keep them. I don't, I don't paint over them. I don't throw them away. I keep them and I'm like, well, one day someone will like this, you know? Hey, that's a wonderful perspective. I really like that. It's true. Like people,
00:32:40
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Yeah, people like different things, and even if it doesn't apply to your taste, even though you made it, like maybe someone else will. I love that perspective. Yeah, it's it's so weird. I've been practicing giving myself grace over the past like couple of months, because I've been so strict on myself throughout my life, you know?
00:33:04
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h and that oh That applies to having those things where you're not going to play video games. you know Giving he yourself grace I feel like is essential to just being kind to yourself. Because who else is going to be kind to you if you're not. yeah i I wish that was something that I learned earlier in life because, yeah, I like it's I don't know. So many of us were so mean to ourselves for so long. And then it's like, really? No, you're you hang out with yourself more than anyone you will ever hang out with ever. Like you need to give yourself the love that you deserve. Yeah, I.
00:33:54
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have been learning that, I notice that I spend a lot of time by myself. Like I have friends, you know, we hang out occasionally, but the majority of the time it's just me, you know? yeah I want to have a good relationship with myself. So, you know, I just started, I started being intentionally kind, you know, like I would drop a plate or something and I'd be like, well, that sucks.
00:34:24
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You know, well you know instead of, because in the past it would be like, wow, why did you do that? You're stupid. yeah But it just practicing small things of being kind to yourself and like gentle.
00:34:41
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it It's really helped in so many aspects in my life. I love that so much. I noticed that like I used to use phrases like, I'm an idiot. Like if I did something dumb, you know, like, Oh God, I'm such an idiot. Or, you know, I'm. like I'm blank instead of like I did a dumb thing. yeah And like that kind of shift can be so helpful and just, oh no, it's like, it's not like a statement on who I am as a person. It's just like, oh no, I made a mistake and I'm, that's fine. Like my, my ah my friend Emerson,
00:35:20
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likes to use the phrase, my brain did a somersault. And I think that's so delightful. I'm just like, Yeah, no, I'm not a dumb person. My brain did a somersault. It's okay. Yeah. I love bringing that grace into our relationship with ourselves. Yeah, I think, I think more people need to take that step and get to know themselves and be nice to themselves, be kind. I feel like that also has a big impact with the art and your relationship with the art that you create.
00:35:59
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yeah exactly yeah It's all connected. All right, that's five minutes. Oh, OK. So so ah you can like send me a picture on Instagram or whatever. I'll show you mine. OK.
00:36:17
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I don't even know what I was making. Mine turned into a... ah I also used a sticky note that like has a bunch of... It's like one of those sticky notes that has like a checklist on it. I don't know why that was my... I decided to use that, but it turned into a very messy thing with a dinosaur man, I guess. Wow, so yours is actually tangible. Mine is a mess.
00:36:44
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I mean, it's a lot of scribbles and then I think there's like a ah thing. That's cute. Look at it. Broccoli. Ooh, yours is like... I don't even know. I don't know, but i it's cool. It's kind of like, I don't know, it feels a little trippy to me. Like maybe there's drugs involved. There's not. a What do you mean you're not high on this podcast with me right now?
00:37:16
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um Amazing. That's so cool. Yeah. If I kept going, it would be way more detailed. i love yours your is very cute like you I'll do you mind if I share these when I share the podcast whenever it comes out? No, I don't mind. That's totally fine. I think that'll be fun. I'm i'm excited. thank Thanks for doing that with me. I haven't. So I was inspired to do this because of the last episode I recorded with Danny Abernathy. And we made Ugly Art like together on the podcast. And it ended up being just like a really fun, silly thing. I'm like, why don't I do this more often? like It's literally called the Ugly Podcast. And I talk about Ugly Art on it. like Why wouldn't I just make Ugly Art with people on this podcast?
00:37:56
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yeah Thank you for doing that with me. That was really nice. Of course. That was fun. Good. Well, I mean, this was awesome. We're kind of coming up on time. What was that experience like for you intentionally making something bad?
00:38:16
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To be quite honest. yeah Honesty is very welcome. I wasn't thinking. Perfect. It was just this me drawing and talking to you. excellent that's I mean, honestly, that is the literal best outcome. like that's That's what we want. like I don't want it to be something like Danny experience, where she's like, ah, I'm freaking out. I'm so activated. it's like It doesn't have to be like that. And with practice, that piece of it does go away. When I first started making intentionally ugly art, I had so much fear around it. And I was just like, this is terrible. But then it became a joyful practice. And then it became like, I don't even have to think about it anymore. I just get to scribble and see what comes out. And that's the goal. And that's the beauty of it.
00:39:14
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Yeah. I love that. Definitely. Well, uh, where can, how can people, uh, find you and support you? I will have your Instagram handle in the show notes. Um, but yeah, or just any, any last, uh, thoughts or comments that you want to leave listeners with. I mean, my Instagram is probably the only way you can reach me at least a moment.
00:39:42
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In the future, I plan on making an Etsy account like and selling my art. I don't know when that will be, but that will be at some point. Yeah. I love that. I will happily share.
00:39:56
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ah whenever you get that up and running. Thank you and thank you for having me on your podcast. This was a great experience. Good. I'm so glad and thank you for letting some random person oh yeah get your Instagram handle out of at a restaurant. but That was so weird. i I noticed you looking. I was like, who is this person? So sorry. I'm an absolute creep. It's okay. I was like,
00:40:27
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so confused because he was looking at my phone and you were like trying to look at me. Oh God, I'm just like, how could I? And I'm like, no, I'm being way too obvious. I have to just say something. I can't just sit here looking like a weirdo. Just introduce myself. So thank you for being gracious in that invasive action on my part.
00:40:53
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i think I think it was wonderful and I'm very glad that you did that. Good. Yeah, yeah I think it was great. Awesome. Thank you. That makes me really happy. Amazing. Thank you so much for being here and everybody else, remember to keep it ugly.
00:41:16
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The Ugly Podcast is created by me, Laura Alexander of Scribe and Sunshine. It's produced and sort of edited, also by me, and written and directed by absolutely no one. Our theme song was written and produced by the amazing Zoetronic. If you like the podcast, be sure to rate and leave a review on your preferred platform, and share with the creative people in your life. If you're interested in learning more about what I do, head to scribeandsunshine.com to learn more about my ugly art workshops and my editing services. If you haven't yet today, I dare you to make that thing you've been thinking about making, but have been too scared, it's gonna be terrible.
00:41:46
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Make it terrible. And as always, keep it ugly.