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Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths (2010)
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Author Gordon Dymowski returns to the show to discuss the 2010 animated film, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. It's am ambitious film but as an adaptation of Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's stellar JLA: Earth-2 graphic novel, it doesn't quite match up.
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Alternate Earth & Crime Syndicate
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world is similar to yours in many ways, but very different in others. Oh, wait, wait, don't tell me. On your world, you're the leader of the Justice League. As a matter of fact, I was. Past tense. I'm not just the leader of my world's Justice League. I'm its only surviving member. We were systematically destroyed by a group of super-powered beings known as the Crime Syndicate.
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They've run rampant for years, doing whatever they pleased. They rule through fear, occasionally turning their powers against the populace, just to remind us. In the hope of maintaining some minimal order, the authorities simply pretend they aren't there, but increasingly, they refuse to be ignored.
00:02:50
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The syndicate has completely intimidated civil authority. The police won't arrest them, and prosecutors wouldn't press charges if they did. The only thing keeping them from completely overthrowing the government is the threat of a nuclear response. You people are my world's last hope. Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine, and welcoming another guest, but a returning guest, and that is Gordon Damowski. Gordon, how are you doing today?
00:03:20
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Pretty good, pretty good, glad to be here. Glad to have you back after you popped on to discuss the DCU update. And this is kind of a nice follow-up to that because we are talking about another DC movie. Today we're going to be talking about the animated Justice League crisis on two Earths. But before we get into that, why don't you tell people what are you interested in? What are you lately? What have you been consuming, watching, reading, anything like that that's kind of grabbing your attention?
Gordon Damowski & Dark Shadows
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Ah, let's see. Well, I've just finished work on an academic paper of all things. I've been getting back into the Gothic soap opera Dark Shadows, which is it has Gothic and supernatural elements. You know, there's a vampire, there were wolves, there's, there's even parallel worlds, which is kind of timely for this podcast. And I will be presenting a paper on time travel, dark shadows and transgenerational trauma at
00:04:17
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Um, DePaul's celebration of time travel here in Chicago at, on May 20th. Oh, very cool. Very cool. Sounds really interesting. Uh, so have you been a dark shadows fan from, from way back? Uh, is it something you got into recently? What's kind of your history with that? I, I actually started watching it in college because I was way too young to catch it the first time around. I mean, I would have been like two. Um, but I was, I was going to, I was, um, commuting back and forth from Loyola.
00:04:47
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And I would, I knew about it just kind of from that kind of general cultural osmosis. It was that show with the vampire in it. And it was just around the time that MPI Home Video was releasing the show on videotape. And so I started, literally it was like after class, stop at the video shop. It was like $2.99 a tape, three for five. So I just would get like three tapes and just blitz through all of them.
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And at the same time that I was getting involved in watching Dark Shadows, I was getting involved in online fandom. And it was on Prodigy, where I met a good friend of mine named Patrick McRae. Patrick wrote two books about Dark Shadows. The Dark Shadows Daybook.
00:05:33
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and the more recently published Dark Shadows Daybook Unbound. Actually, he and I reconnected about a year ago. Dark Shadows is one of my secondary fandoms. If comics are one of my big ones and Doctor Who's one of my big ones, Dark Shadows is in the mix.
00:05:55
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Okay, cool, very nice. So, yeah, I'd never got into Dark Shadows. Speaking of those tapes, I remember they had them at my local library when I was a kid, and I always saw them up on an entire case devoted just to Dark Shadows. So I remember thinking as a kid, I'm like, man, I should probably check that out at some point, but I just never did.
00:06:17
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And but it's something I've heard about like in the background here and there. It's always something I've been somewhat curious about, but never curious enough to actually pull the trigger on tracking down. Yeah, because I know you can get it for free here in the States on Tubi. And I think it's also available on Amazon, Amazon Freebie, which is like their free ad supported TV service. So I don't know if you have them. I know Tubi is kind of, I think, US only.
00:06:44
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Yeah, but I've got a VPN so that's that with to be it's it's because sometimes with the with the VPN stuff It sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't like it works with HBO Max. It works Most of the time with Netflix with to be it's really unpredictable Like I'll have it set up and everything and it'll say sometimes it'll work. Sometimes it won't it's really random with that Yeah, it yeah, it's
00:07:12
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Yeah. Oh, the joys of streaming services. It's like, yeah, it's kind of like peacock peacock. Yeah. Peacock is a, that's another one that it works pretty well, but it's just, I'm not, I'm not paying them money. So like I usually, a lot of the stuff that ends up on peacock, I can get here on Japanese Netflix. Nope.
JLA Earth 2: Moral Inversion & Themes
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Yeah. Cause like with peacock for me, for some reason, it won't work on Linux. Every other streaming service will, but not peacock.
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So like today we're talking about Justice League Crisis on two Earths and this is kind of a loose adaptation of the Grant Morrison Frank Whiteley graphic novel JLA Earth 2. So let's talk about that as kind of a starting point. What's kind of your history with either the graphic novel or with the
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I guess technically Earth 3 concept because it was originally Earth 3 back in the pre-crisis days and then in post-crisis they got rid of the multiverse although it still existed kind of and so then in that one they had established the crime syndicate as coming from Earth 2 instead.
00:08:26
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And then in the new 52, it became, or I think in the infinite after infinite crisis, it became Earth 3 again. And I think that's also the same thing as what it is now. But what's kind of your history with this concept of the injustice, the crime syndicate or this graphic novel? I actually read, I think it was a reprint of the original story.
00:08:49
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back when i was a kid and i know that i first really got formally introduced to them as a as a quote new set of characters with all-star squadron because there was like a um dc had their annual jla jsa team up and i think that year and i forget the issues but the they added um all-star squadron to the mix because paredegaton was like the main villain so and it was so i think the
00:09:15
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the, I think if I remember correctly, the crime syndicate had broken free from their prison out in space and were attacking present day earth, but there was something going on with the past and with it, with the vibrating earths. I like, I don't remember the plot. I just remember that's how I first got into them. And then there was the refund. And then I think later on there was a jail, I internet, a justice league international,
00:09:44
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And you all in like I think the late 80s or early 90s where they had Members of the the the the Demetrius given league fighting like in this weird alien world and all the their combatants had had powers similar to Like one hits power similar to like blue beetle elongated man and they kind of hinted that they were a
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somehow related to the crime syndicate. And so it was like they were in the anti-matter universe of court at that point. And plus I've always been a sucker for like parallel world alternate history kinds of lip stories. So the crime syndicate is kind of like, it's easy to see them as just kind of like an evil justice league, but it's more of like as Morrison did. And I read the graphic novel when it first came out.
00:10:39
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It's more of a moral inversion that it's not just, oh, we're bad because we're being bad. They behave that way because on their world, evil always wins rather than good always wins.
00:10:51
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Yeah, that was something that stuck out to me with the Morrison graphic novel as well. That's where I got introduced to them for the first time. And before the graphic novel even came out, I remember seeing it. Wizard had this JLA special publication where it was like half the size of a regular Wizard issue, but it was all devoted to the JLA. And so there's lots of stuff like interviews with
00:11:18
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with Morrison and the other creators, lots of history stuff like primers on stuff and talking about as well upcoming things. And one of the things that Morrison had talked about in one of those interviews was about the crime syndicate and their thought process in bringing them over. And one of the things that they had said was just like
00:11:41
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the members of the Justice League have gone through a lot of changes in the time since they met the crime syndicate. The crime syndicate, too, has gone through lots of changes that mirror. So whereas Owlman was kind of goofy back in the in the Silver Age, now he's like this dark grim avenger type. You know, while we had, you know, Power Ring, now we've got a young Power Ring who's now taking over the role from the previous one, just like Kyle Raynor took over the Green Lantern role. And
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I remember they had joked in the article about bringing in counterparts for Aquaman and Martian Manhunter because they never had counterparts in the original story and turns out they actually didn't and in fact if you look at the cover they've got these
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These, they got, it's the, the, you've got the crime syndicate is on the top and on the bottom, you've got the reflections of their Justice League counterparts. And where there's the reflection of Aquaman and Martian Manhunter, there's no one standing there. So those characters weren't included in, which a little bit disappointing when I first read it, but otherwise it was a great story. And one of the things that did stand out to me was like you had mentioned that inversion thing, the whole kind of playing with that meta idea of how
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you know, on Earth-1, good always wins, good always try-ups. Whereas on Earth-2, evil always try-ups. And so, like, the JLA, even though they're able to prove successful temporarily in stopping the crime syndicate, it only lasts so long because of just the way that universe works type of thing. So that was a really interesting meta-commentary on it.
00:13:24
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Yeah, and I think too um with earth 2 it wasn't um I think morson also did a really good job in laying down the groundwork for how that world worked Which is what it's reflected in crisis on two orbs Which is that it's like there it's all about territories and the governments kind of give them tribute and kind of because they know that the crimes um
00:13:48
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The crime syndicate is kind of in charge. It's not like there's a precursor story to the original Earth 3, which was called Crisis on Earth A Words about the Earth 1, Johnny Thunder, who has his own thunderbolt. Someone steals his thunderbolt and says, I wish that all my friends were the Justice League, so that one of his criminal friends
00:14:15
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gets involved in the accident that gives him flash powers rather than Barry Allen. Batman has a cowl, but a mustache. So I guess somebody killed his parents when he was a kid and he somehow robbed a bank to become Batman. But yeah, I think with the crime syndicate, and there's even a limited series from DC about, I think two years ago, where it kind of gave a little bit more of a modern spin on them. I mean, they're still on Earth 3, but
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The origin of Clark like the origin of Clark in the Morrison novel is basically he's an astronaut who gets he's like captured by an alien spaceship and they do something weird with his physiology. So he doesn't come back with human.
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in the last crime syndicate series from like, I think it's like 2020 or 2021. He's basically the alien who comes down to earth, but he's raised by the Diane Lane and Kevin Costner parent, Ken's from Man of Steel, where they just tell him, hey, nobody's going to do you any favors. Don't bother being generous or anything. Just people are going to screw you, so you got to screw them over first.
00:15:28
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Like that with Morrison, it's the it even goes to the fact of where they get their power where they get their abilities versus Okay, they're just like the JLA but evil Mm-hmm
00:15:43
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Yeah, there's also some interesting changes. Like, for example, Superwoman, who is the Wonder Woman counterpart, she is actually Lois Lane. She's the Earth Two version of Lois Lane. There's that one scene where she's got Jimmy tied up, and she calls him, and instead of being Superman's pal,
Owlman's Crisis & Justice League Dilemmas
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Jimmy Olsen, he's Superwoman Snitch Jimmy Olsen. And then, and Owlman, as I understand, if I'm remembering correctly, it is not Bruce Wayne, it's actually Bruce Wayne's brother.
00:16:14
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if I'm remembered correctly or something along those lines. Yeah, I think in the Earth 2 graphic novel, he's Thomas Wayne Jr., which is
00:16:27
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I've heard that he's like a, I've read that he's like a reference to a story that was in the golden age that I don't remember the citation, but that like Bruce Wayne had an older brother who just, I guess was like, um, he's like the, he's like Chuck Cunningham in happy days. He's like goes off and you never hear from him again. Um,
00:16:46
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But yeah, and in earth 2 it's Commissioner Wayne who's it's it's Thomas Wayne senior who's like the big law and order guy Because he even says you know anyone come to time in Gotham. I'm gonna give him a bullet in the face and I'll man's kind of like rebelling against his dad and I you know there Jim Gordon is like the most I think is he is he a cop or is he a mayor and
00:17:11
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I believe he's like the commissioner or something. I'm just double checking right now.
00:17:17
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Uh, so, um, in the anti-matter universe, so Bruce and his mother were killed and then Thomas Jr. and Thomas Wayne survived. Um, and then, uh, Thomas Jr. becomes, grows up to become our man master criminal and an ally to boss Gordon. So like Jim Gordon there is, um, is like the, the crime boss there. And, uh, Thomas Wayne senior becomes the chief of police of Gotham city.
00:17:44
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Yeah Nick earth through the flash instead of using the speed force he injects himself with speed juice. Right yeah he's like it there's a lot of stuff about him being a junkie in that too.
00:17:56
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And some other little things here and there. In fact, one of the things that struck me about that Earth 2 story is that Owlman, it's almost like he's being Owlman as a way to combat his father. Because when he goes to the other version, when he goes to Earth 1, and he sees that Thomas Wayne is dead, he loses all interest in
00:18:19
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In conquering it or something if my memories again, it's been a few years since i've read that story Uh, you know, so i haven't read that in a while, but I I believe there was something along that in those if i'm remembering correctly Yeah, and I think there's um Yeah, because I yeah, I yeah, I think with with morgan. He does a lot more to kind of give give the crime syndicate A psychology to them where it's not um
00:18:45
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Or I think, yeah, he sees it's Thomas and Martha, and he just crumbles, because it's like, OK, what does he do now? He's on a world where he doesn't have that kind of push. Yeah, but it was a really interesting book. I don't think it's definitely not my favorite of Morrison's JLA run, but definitely a standout one.
00:19:11
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Now, something the movie did that's interesting is it mixes aspects of the original Earth 3 concept where everybody's an inversion. So the villains are heroes and the heroes are villains. So whereas in the Earth 2 graphic novel, Alexander Luther, the Earth 2 version of Lex Luther, he says he is the only hero on his Earth.
00:19:35
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Whereas in the movie, you've got the Jester. And you've got their version of the Justice League, which was all villains. And even Slade Wilson. You've got Deathstroke, who's the president of the US in the Earth 2 universe. Yeah, and I think what's really interesting is that in both the movie and the comic,
00:20:04
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Flexlover is still kind of an arrogant dude. I mean, he's still kind of a like, you know, cuz he kind of strides in with like he knows he's When he comes to earth and earth in the graphic novel. He says He basically lands on a farm and says something like hey I know your earthlings go take me to your leader He kind of does the same thing in Metropolis you just strolls in and says hey, can you please call the Justice League for me? I think it also with the movie it
00:20:34
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I mean it starts with kind of like the the intro where it's like the big action tag where it's he and the Jester aka the Joker and I thought that was interesting that it's it's not like you would think that someone like if the Joker were a hero he would be more of a like funny goofy 60s type hero you know kind of that that Golden Age
00:20:59
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like he actually opened he has like a baton where he opens a safe with acid um and he even at the end when he sacrifices himself it's like i've got one last joke but this will kill you and it's it's a bomb so you can see where it's not quite the heroes are not quite like super heroic but you can also understand it in that in that world it's kind of a um
00:21:23
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You kind of have to be that kind of hardened if you're dealing with, like if you're dealing with evil Superman, essentially. Superman is a crime boss. You can't just be like nice and, and even in the movie, there's that kind of nice tension between what do we, you know, we don't do that. But we're also dealing with an enemy who is, you know, you know, we, we have to rethink something. Oh yeah. I mean, it's,
00:21:53
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Sorry, go ahead, finish your thought. One of the cool things about the movie as it goes on is it's really all about choices. And it's about what we what we want, you know, that what we do impacts the outcome and thinking differently is not necessarily, you know, a bad thing.
00:22:13
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Yeah, yeah, and I think because when you think about Superman and like Superman's, you know, doesn't kill rule. I know a lot of people who are who are fans of the Snyderverse will will criticize Marvel fans because they'll say like, Oh, but you know, Iron Man kills Captain America kills in those movies. How come that's okay, but it's not okay with Superman's like, well,
00:22:35
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First off, it's not ingrained into Captain America and Iron Man the way it is into Superman, but also Superman has that luxury of being able to find another way. It is kind of the debate over pacifism. I think about this as someone who used to be a pacifist myself, where it's like, yes, you should try and find another way.
00:22:58
Speaker
Pacifism only takes you so far. When you're going up against fascists, you know, you can't really find a peaceful solution to fascism. That's pretty much the only way to fight a fascist is with violence. Yeah. And sometimes you have to be forceful in fighting any kind of, you know, not just fascism, but, um, you know, I, um, I worked the elections in Chicago yesterday and, um, a lot of times with, with all judges, there, there would be expressions of,
00:23:26
Speaker
Technically, according to the rules, when there are people voting, you don't express a political, any kind of political statement because you're not trying to sway the vote. You're there to make sure that everyone, but in between, you know, there would be the, the, the, the pro one side and pro the other side. Um, and I'm like, you know, look, this is, we're not here to have this debate. We're here to make sure this election runs smoothly.
00:23:51
Speaker
And I mean, I had my opinions, but that was not the place or time for them. But sometimes sometimes you have to stand up and say, you know, it may not necessarily be punching a fascist in the face, but sometimes you have to tell that you have to. You have to when you're dealing with that kind of dysfunction and that kind of.
00:24:10
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you know, you have to use every I believe in every means by any means necessary. If that means telling someone to back off, you back off. If that means getting in their grill, you get in their grill. And I think, too, I think one of the big differences between the the graphic novel and the movie is that the graphic novel. The heroes decide, well, if this is a place where we're not going to win, we're going to leave because when they're facing the big bad,
00:24:40
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What they realize is, well, everything they're doing isn't working because they're in a war. They're in a universe where if evil, if evil wins, if it's a moral inversion, they can never win. In fact, the Luther in that world is much more frustrated than the Lutheran crisis on two earths, because you know, uh, earth to Luther is I've been fighting these people. I need help. I need help. Um, crisis on two or two or three Luther is more like, Hey, look, we got to get this done.
00:25:10
Speaker
I need your help. I want to get this cleaned up, but there's a sense of victory at the end You get the sense like okay. Yeah, there's actual fine chance, but it's In the graphic novel Ultraman basically grabs the big bad and you know for lack of a better term lobotomizes them lobotomizes the enemy versus here it's more of a a showdown between all man and Batman and it's more a lot more existential, but I think it speaks more about
00:25:40
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really draws out the theme about choices and about what happens when you make an appropriate choice. And one of the cool things about this that, go ahead. Oh no, go ahead and finish up. I was about to say, one of the interesting things I found out about this film was that it was originally
00:26:00
Speaker
There was a project that Bruce Timm had proposed called A Justice League Worlds Collide. That was going to be the bridge between the original Justice League and the Justice League Unlimited animated series. That died, but Dwayne McDuffie grabbed the script, rewrote it and was able to kind of, I think they had to massage it through DC who said, don't make it canon to the animated series. But I think this, for me, this is one of the things where
00:26:28
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You change the voice talent around You've got like a really good transition piece like I don't know if Dwayne like kind of just like did some white out and change certain words or if he really massively if he had to do like a page one rewrite, but I think this does kind of bring out more of the Kind of
00:26:51
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It's kind of easy to see where, not only could it transition between them, but it kind of would have a little bit more thematic heft, because part of it's also about, you know, it can't just be about all of us. We have to kind of increase our ranks, because at the end, I mean, since in the movie, the crime syndicate is structured like the mafia, where you've got, they literally use made men as terminology.
00:27:19
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where you could see where the Justice League is like, oh, okay, maybe we need to expand our ranks too because we can't do it all. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, also one, one quick note I wanted to mention too, just about the, cause you mentioned the Chicago election. I just want to say, you know, thank you Chicago for making the right choice this time. Um, so that was very nice to see. Uh, and also Wisconsin too, they picked a very nice judge as well. Uh, so it was,
00:27:48
Speaker
Yesterday was a good day. Yesterday was a good day if you're a progressive. Yeah, I'm very happy. But yeah, so let's talk a little bit about, dig into the movie. Now I hadn't known that about, that it was this, it was originally based on that Bruce Tim version and then it was, you know, it was kind of, it was canceled and then it eventually became, eventually became this.
00:28:13
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I thought there were some interesting things. I love Dwayne McDuffie's stuff. I love him as a writer and God rest his soul. But there's also some issues that I had here that also I had issues, similar issues that I had when he did Justice League Unlimited and also when he did All-Star Superman. I felt there were some parts where it feels like he's pushing the heroes too much to that line that I don't think they should cross with
00:28:43
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with Batman at the end, what he does to, you know, Owlman, and then also what he does to Johnny Quick, right? Because when they're trying to, you know,
00:28:57
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power that machine or whatever, he tells Flash, like, you're not fast enough. Johnny, we need Johnny Quick to do it instead. Johnny Quick does it, and at the end, he's still running. He ages up until the point he dies, basically. And he says to Batman at the end, he's like, it wasn't that the Flash was too fast. You knew this would happen, didn't you? And Batman, obviously, that's the truth. And Johnny Quick kind of admires him for pushing that line.
00:29:25
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I didn't like that. I felt that was pushing Batman too far. What did you think of that? For some reason, I think, I mean, I was a little. I was a little. Well, that moment I was a little astounded because, yeah, that is kind of I mean, it's a typical Batman move. And I for some reason I thought I remember reading it in another Justice League comic. I couldn't tell you where, but it
00:29:54
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it it did feel like okay it's one thing to to say it's one thing for Batman to have told the flash hey look you can't do this you will kill you will die if you do this and Johnny quick is like you know hey it's my world I'll get I'll do it where you don't necessarily have the manipulation it's like
00:30:15
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Batman's being straightforward, Flash, and then Johnny Quake is like, well, of course, I'm the fastest guy, so I'll do it. And then he dies, but then it's a little bit more. I think at the end with what he does with Owlman, and Owlman's an interesting character in this, because he's very, he's very existential. Very, like, I kind of wonder what, I wonder if, I kind of wonder if he's like,
00:30:44
Speaker
what would happen if Bruce Wayne's parents lived because the way he's talking it's about well you know there's infinite choices and you know the really the only really true choice with any significance is to destroy the world um i do think i'm not sure if they were maybe playing him um and James Wood's voice work doesn't really help because it you know i'm not sure if he was
00:31:07
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If you really believe that or if this was a guy who was suicidal, which I know it may be reading too much into it. Um, I mean, I like the last line of Batman's, which is, um, you know, both you and I stirred in the abyss. The only difference is you blinked. I mean, to me, that's a Kevin Conroy Batman line. Um, I think, I think there would have been a way for Batman to walk away and maybe our man is,
00:31:36
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In that moment where he hesitates, then the bomb goes elsewhere and blows up. I do think tying our man to that, to the bomb is a little too much. Cause it's like at some, you know, again, it's, um, Batman's never, I can see Batman thinking, you know what, I'm not going to kill someone, but if they die by their own, by if they die because of the consequences of their actions, or if he does the whole, I'll turn.
00:32:02
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I'll turn this criminal's henchmen against them. Um, and I wash my hands of it. I can kind of see that, but yeah, it does feel like it's, it does feel a little bit like, um, the ends justify the means and it's not even done to like, there's no moment of, see Batman, if you go this far, you could be just like owl man. Cause they're polar opposites in terms of personality. Um,
00:32:30
Speaker
And I do, but I do, I am, you know, to answer your question, I am a little, those do leave a little bit to be desired or, or there's a point where the flash is, um, it's he and, uh, Martian manhunter on the riverfront. They're attacking the boat with fake Lobo and fake green arrow. And, uh,
00:32:54
Speaker
fake Black Canary's attacking, uh, Martian Manhunter. So the flash runs up, punches her, runs her out to the middle of the water and drops her and then runs back. Like he basically, like without knowing, can she swim? You know, she could have easily drowned cause she, it's, I mean, the flash doesn't just like go out to like, okay, waist deep and drop her. It's like, you know, it's pretty clear it's far out. So yeah, it does feel a little bit like.
00:33:20
Speaker
I can see the whole, well, yeah, this is a serious place. You gotta take serious means, but it does feel a little like, is this, you know, is this maybe, could this have been like, been like work through, could there have been another draft of the script to kind of think this stuff out? Yeah. You make a very good point with that. And as you were talking, I was thinking the same thing. Like it'd be one thing if they go to these links.
00:33:47
Speaker
and there's at least some reflection about the actions they're taking, but that never happens, right? There's never, the Justice League is never critical of Batman for what he did to Johnny Quick or, I mean, I can understand the Owlman, they weren't there, but like, and I was, because I was thinking in my head, comparing this to Justice League Doom, which I think is probably my favorite of the Justice League animated movies,
00:34:13
Speaker
And that story was based on Mark Wade's Tower of Babel story, which is one of the great JLA stories where Rachelle Gould gets hold of Batman's contingency plans for all the heroes and uses them against the Justice League. And then at the end of that story in the comic book,
00:34:36
Speaker
Um, the team votes on whether or not Batman should be, should remain a member of the league and Batman leaves before he, before they announced the, before they announced what they've all decided. And I feel like we needed something like that at the end here, where there's some sort of reflection on the fact that, okay.
00:34:55
Speaker
Batman broke one of the central tenants. He broke not only one of the league's rules, but one of his own rules, right? He took things too far. He put these characters in a position, deliberately so, where he knew they would be killed. And I could see something like that, like Batman giving some sort of speech saying that like, I did what I had to do on that world, but I understand that that meant sacrificing my position in the league, something like that. I think we needed some sort of comeuppance there that we never got.
00:35:25
Speaker
Yeah. Or even like a simple, you just don't, you don't, you don't need to know because even though he's not remorseful, there's at least the hint that, okay, you can be ambiguous as to whether he's, he's proud of it or not. Um, but it really, the other thing that strikes me and maybe this is just me being a little bit obsessed about continuity.
00:35:47
Speaker
At one point, he's fighting Superwoman, who says something like, that'll cost you a rib. Because that's when he first arrives on Earth 3. She breaks his rib. And then you don't see him panicking until after he comes back from the universe with all man. Like, did I miss something there? Or was it just like, did they forget about it all throughout the movie? I think it's something they just forgot about.
00:36:11
Speaker
Yeah, because it's not like he's bending over at any point. It's like, OK, yes, I'm Batman and Batman. OK, now that I'm back from the parallel Earth that just blew the Earth prime. Oh, yeah, my rib is hurting now.
00:36:25
Speaker
Well, that's something else too. I mean, that would be a good way, like, you know, show the consequences and how he's being pushed to the point. I mean, I think the rib injury would actually have worked very well in that scene with Owlman, right? You could have had something where he physically can't stop Owlman from dying or something like that. Or maybe he can't if he pushes himself, but he decides not to push himself because, so that leaves you wondering, is it just, is it all the injury or is it
00:36:51
Speaker
Is it him just using the injuries an excuse is it some mix of the two something like that would have worked as well Yeah, and I mean it is an immune because I'm thinking of the scene where They're at the White House and the president, you know president deathstroke is saying You know, we can't they're too powerful for us, you know, we can't defeat them and
00:37:15
Speaker
like Superman at that moment says something like, you know, I've beat, I've like fought people bigger than me. And I thought, you know, that's not a Superman thing to say. The Superman thing to say is, you know, I know the odds are insurmountable. I know that that doing the right thing is hard right now. But we can we can face this because we have to take a stand. And it's, you know, I also
00:37:41
Speaker
And like at the end, I kind of thought, okay, at that point when they come back from the unit, from all that, you know, when they, when they confront the, the crime syndicate and ultra man's like, well, you know, what are you going to do? Like you'd figure that would be where, where Superman would walk up, say, well, you know, you know, you're doing wrong. Ultra man would say something and then Superman just knocks him out, but no, they had to bring in the Marines crashing through a dome in,
00:38:09
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on an oxygenless moon so there's but there's no air coming out and there's tanks and like soldiers and Apollo's and the old Apollo space uniforms coming in and it just felt like you know maybe like I don't know how much of the original script was converted or if it was just like Dwayne Dwayne McDuffie kind of said well here's some story beats I just need to fill these in
00:38:33
Speaker
But you would think that there's that they would have thought some of this stuff through. I mean, it's not bad for what it is. But I do see like the flaws and talking with it with you right now are becoming a lot more apparent. Mm hmm. Or it kind of feels like like the like like with Superwoman. Normally she's treated as like a Wonder Woman analog.
00:38:59
Speaker
And for some, but luckily they kind of, it's weird cause they kind of give her like Captain Marvel, like powers, they give her Shazam powers. Cause she's got the, you know, she's got, um, basically captain Marvel with a goatee captain Marvel junior and, um, uncle Marvel, uh,
00:39:17
Speaker
you know, basically who was, you know, ironically, who was just like an old guy who liked to dress up like Captain Marvel and pretend he had superpowers. And I thought, okay, that's interesting. But in one of the scenes where they're describing who made men are, there's actually someone who's made up, you know, it's a headshot of someone who's presumably a the earth three, Mary Marvel. So it's like, okay, wait, it's,
00:39:47
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I don't expect like a one-to-one correlation, but you could at least like, like with Johnny Quick, his character design. Yes, he's yellow rather than red, but that I think is meant to evoke Professor Zoom. You know what I mean? Instead of being red and yellow, take yellow and red. This is a dumb question.
00:40:09
Speaker
Why was Johnny quick Australian? Like, were they trying to, I know they're saying like, okay, it's, it's territory. It's like, they each have territories, but I could see where, like if they gave the green lantern, uh, you know, power, what's it really, he can't really be powering because it's like a thing on his arm. And I think the implication is that that's, he's got like a cybernetic arm.
00:40:37
Speaker
Because at one point, he cracks something, and Superwoman says, hey, you want to arm wrestle? And he just has a look. But he doesn't speak with, say, a British accent or a Russian accent. Right. Superwoman is kind of, she's colored, I think, to be Middle Eastern. So you could maybe explain it away as, she's the descendant of that world's Black Adam.
00:41:04
Speaker
with Superman and Owlman, you could probably say like, okay, Superman's in charge of America and Owlman's in charge of Canada or something. But why don't you make, Ultraman, I'm sorry. But like, yeah, so Ultraman's in charge of the United States and Owlman's in charge of Canada. He's kind of a moody existentialist. Okay, that's fine. But like, why is Johnny Quick Australian? And not even like,
00:41:33
Speaker
I mean, he had a thick Australian accent that would make Paul Hogan blush. Yeah, yeah. That was a very odd choice, especially because, you know, James Patrick Stewart
00:41:47
Speaker
also did, he's an American actor, right? So it's not like, it's not like they hired an Australian actor and it just like, oh, he just happened to give the best performance during the auditions or something. It's, that was a deliberate choice. I can't figure out why they made that choice. Yeah. And you can, and you can even throw in, even if he didn't do it with an accident, you could throw it in a line like, well, yeah, I'm, I'm stuck with art. Yeah. All the territories. I'm stuck with Australia. I'm stuck with, you know, you even,
00:42:15
Speaker
I mean, it might be a little bit too, it might be a little bit too embarrassing because for like 2010, you know, do you really necessarily want to start disparaging? Cause like with Australia, then you get into like the whole Eastern Asia thing and you, you might brush up against some sensibilities, but I think, um, it did, it did seem like some of the choices they made were, it felt more cosmetic, like, okay, we've got this script. Uh, how do we, we pipe it up. Okay. James, um,
00:42:45
Speaker
Do an Australian accent, do Crocodile Dundee, because we think, you know, and I know that the project, the Tim project and the crisis on two Earths, James Woods was the only person who like transitioned between the two. Like he was cast to be Owlman in the first, you know, the Tim project, and then he was carried over. And I haven't seen too many, I think,
00:43:15
Speaker
I've got the DVD and on all the promotional, like the Pete Tourette's and anything, he doesn't, he doesn't talk much at all. I mean, I'm not sure if this is when he, I know he, I'm not sure. I kind of wonder, like, did he think of it as like being done for money? Like, was it just like a paycheck for him? Cause like, like with Chris Knuth, the voice work he does, um, you can tell it pretty much like, okay, he's there. He did his day. He got his check, went home.
00:43:43
Speaker
I mean, Mark Harmon at least does a pretty good job as Superman, not like the fact that he brings a certain kind of Midwest twang to Superman speaking, which is really nice because it's, but some of the creative choices, I like, I go, okay.
Film Production & Character Voices
00:43:59
Speaker
And then he has two directors. So I'm wondering like,
00:44:01
Speaker
Was it a case where one person had to bow out for some reason and then the other took over? Was it a co directing thing where they work together? And I wonder if that's where maybe some of the tension is where you don't have someone thinking like I'm thinking of something like Justice League the New Frontier where it's consistent because the art looks like
00:44:23
Speaker
a really cool variation on Darwin Cook's style. The intro is like that, has that nice early 60s Saul Bass, where it does like, it takes care of like two or three issues in like two minutes, which is very lovely, very graphic. Here it's kind of like, and also, and this may be, I'm not sure how much of an end joke this is, but in the beginning, with Luther and the Jester, and they're attacked by
00:44:51
Speaker
I think it's supposed to be Hawke Girl and Jed Jarkus, who's there, John Jones. Why do they say based version manner that character specifically on the Tharks from John Carter? Because I think Carter came out the same year, so it's not like you go, oh, OK, there's enough fleet on characters. Was it just like, oh, yeah, the kids will really dig this one. Or if it was just kind of like, you know,
00:45:20
Speaker
It seems like there are some really interesting choices and I'm not sure if they were in the script or if they were just like, as you're producing it, you go, you know, we want to distinguish this guy from our John. So we'll make John humanoid, we'll make this guy more alien, which makes sense. But that's also weird too. And maybe
00:45:41
Speaker
I hope I'm really reinterpreting this, but it felt like the character of Rose aged 10 years between her first appearance and second appearance. Because I felt like in her first appearance with me speaking, she comes across as a teenager. But then later on, it's like she's in her early 20s. And it felt, at least for me, it was like, did I miss something in there? Or is that just me reading too much?
00:46:10
Speaker
No, I, I, I picked that up too. I mean, Rose was kind of an odd addition in general. Like I thought that whole, I mean, I liked that they give John more to do. I mean, I think this is probably of all the,
00:46:22
Speaker
the direct-to-video Justice League stuff. I think this is probably the one where he gets the most spotlight, which is also an interesting choice because he wasn't a major fixture in the graphic novel. So I'm guessing this is another case of maybe they're bringing in, maybe this is a holdover from the one that was originally connected to the animated series.
00:46:45
Speaker
But yeah, I thought Rose was a, that was an interesting choice, to have this burgeoning romance between him and the Earth Two, Rose Wilson. I mean, it just, every time I watch this movie, it just strikes me as very odd. Yeah, I mean, it hits certain beats really well, but it's, I mean, I don't think,
00:47:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we talked about Justice League gods and monsters, and at least like there, you can kind of see where the logic went, because you had like, okay, Superman, but it's odds is father. Batman, but it's Kurt Langstrom. But like, we were always like Wonder Woman, who she like in that one here, it's like, you can see. And it's like, I, you know, like, some things may kind of made, I understand why they did it. Because one of the things the original script was the
00:47:41
Speaker
It would end with how Wonder Woman got her invisible plane, which I kind of liked. It's like, okay, she stole it from another universe. The circuit is broken. And yeah, I don't know of any other, say, long running British science fiction franchise where it involves a travel device with a chameleon circuit that is broken.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah, that I never heard either of those words before in my life So yeah, but yeah it does it's it's it's I mean, I like it for what it is but some of those things are just like kind of it's I kind of wonder like At one point in the production were these issues, you know, it's it's not so much a finger-pointing thing is you could see it if it were like say a director style or
00:48:37
Speaker
Or if it were just like, OK, there's one or two minor plot points. But it did feel like, I mean, I kind of like the fact that instead of, I don't think you could have done the ending of the graphic novel, but you could do the kind of one-on-one, kind of the ending that we got, which is, well, nothing matters versus everything matters, basically. Yeah, yeah. But it did feel,
00:49:06
Speaker
I mean, and also kind of like the, I mean, the other thing is I like that ultra man's just as a flat out thug, you know, he's not like, he's not what we think of as evil Superman, which is I'm, he's more like, yeah, I'm a boss. You're all under me. Um, I love the reference to the ultra man signal watch. Um, were there, um, he and Luther and metropolis and Superman even says, do you want me to take care of him and lose theirs? No. If, if, if, if this is going to matter when you leave, it's gotta be me who takes care of him.
00:49:35
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So it's kind of like that nice little ego, but also practicality. Yeah.
00:49:44
Speaker
Well, I want to talk about some of the voice work, too, because we kind of dance around him a little bit here. I think that's one of the biggest weaknesses, I think, of this is the voice casting. I mean, you mentioned Mark Harmon. I think he does a really good job. He's one of the standouts in here. Gina Torres, a superwoman, and Chris Knoth as well. And Jonathan Adams, too. Josh Keaton is also really good.
00:50:10
Speaker
And Nolan North, too, as Green Lantern, also a really good one. The rest, like some of them, they don't really bring his truth to me. Like, I mean, William Baldwin feels like he's trying too hard to be raspy-voiced Batman and doesn't really land that much. And, you know, talking about, sorry, go ahead.
00:50:34
Speaker
is about to say we about when sounds like he was like really desperate for work and it's like they're like he's like banging on the door and like okay yeah fine we'll give you 50 bucks come in do these lines and go yeah he's he's he's the weakest in the voice cast and um you know you mentioned uh james woods too again yeah that's another one it's just his his performance it it doesn't feel like
00:50:58
Speaker
There are times it works, but other times it just feels too flat. And again, it just feels kind of like, OK, he's just doing this for a paycheck. Brian Bloom is Ultraman. To your point, I did like the thug aspect of it, but I feel like he tries, he makes it a little bit too Goodfellas-y. You know what I mean? A little bit too much of that kind of stereotypical mobster voice. Mm-hmm.
00:51:24
Speaker
Yeah, I can see that. I'm trying to think, yeah, I forget who voiced Rose, but that, I think, her voice goes from like, and I think that's part of the confusion side, it goes from like teenager to early 20s and it's not consistent as like, it's not like you start, it's not like she starts sounding immature and gets more mature as the movie goes.
00:51:47
Speaker
Trying to think who else is. So that was that was Freddie Rogers did Rose. And just, you know, again, Rose is such an odd component in this movie because. She also feels I wonder if like in an earlier draft or something, she was supposed to be Barbara Gordon or something, because I get a very Barbara vibe from her in this. And I'd like to know. And I don't know. I wonder what what Andrea Romano was thinking.
00:52:17
Speaker
when she cast Bruce Davison as Slade Wilson. Because Slade Wilson is not a, Bruce Davison is more like your typical suburban dad, very upbeat voice. For someone who's been in the military, even if he's good and just, you need someone who's like, I could see like, imagine say Stacy Keach voicing Slade Wilson, especially that brother thing.
00:52:43
Speaker
especially in that universe, you need someone who if. If you're if Brian Bloom's playing a thug, you know, Stacy Keach is you're not going to mess with me, even even if he you know, you want that impaired threat. Yeah, it's just I don't know some of the voice choices. And again, I'm not sure I'm not sure if this was a case of I understand why they didn't put it in the continuity of
00:53:12
Speaker
the animated series because I'm sure it was a case of, well, the way that this story evolved, especially if we're seeing characters make choices that are questionable and a little bit more mature, you probably don't want your George Newburn or Kevin Conroy. And oh, Wonder Woman, Vanessa Marshall, who voiced Wonder Woman, I thought she was kind of just there. I didn't really get the sense of the character.
00:53:43
Speaker
Um, you know, I'm, I'm comparing this to justice league doom because I think you're right. I think they're trying to differentiate this as much as possible from the just league animated series, which is why they try to get these different voices. And, and, and just, but it feels like they were kind of, they kind of wanted it both ways because like I said, Mark Harmon, he, he hits a lot of the same notes as like daily and new burn, but, but then there are other parts where he just doesn't, it feels like he's trying to hit them and he doesn't quite reach it.
00:54:13
Speaker
Whereas, and then, you know, same thing like with William Baldwin, he's trying to do like the dark voice, the raspy voice Batman, but it just feels very off. And then comparing it to Justice League Doom, which came out two years later, I think by that point, they kind of realized, well, we don't really have to differentiate this from the animated series, the animated series is over now, so let's just bring back those guys and put them in this, because then they bring back like almost everybody from that series.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah, because at some point, I wonder, because there are two directors attached, I wonder how much of it was just being given different kinds of directions, where Mark Harmon doing voiceovers one studio day, he's able to hit it, because he's being told, what we need here is force and strength, or what we need here is gentleness. Because there are times where, and I love the fact that at least when he does it,
00:55:13
Speaker
That kind of Midwest twang is noticeable, but it never feels like an affectation. It never feels like he's doing it right show off but I think there might have been times in the studio where he's being directed and it's like His instinct may have been to go one way but he's being directed to do it another way and that's where that that friction comes in um with Baldwin it it you know, I I just don't think
00:55:37
Speaker
It's not just he's not trying, he's trying too hard to do the Batman voice. I just don't think his voice is strong enough for Batman. Like, Conroy did it, you know. That last line, I could easily see where, you know, Kevin Conroy has that great Batman growl when he says, you blinked. I mean, it's a great line, probably the best line in the whole script. But his Batman is just kind of like there.
00:56:06
Speaker
You know what I mean? It's trying, but it's not really, you know, he may have been, I think he may have been miscast and it may also have been a budget thing where it's like, you know, like Harmon probably didn't come cheap. Uh, Gina Torres was probably pricey. Um, James Woods. Um, I think he'd probably do it for like a ham sandwich, you know, especially now. Yeah. But like some of the, and
00:56:33
Speaker
And most of the others are kind of like stalwarts. And they've done other things. It's like they're bread and butter. So it's like they're used to, OK, you come in. I think James Patrick Stewart, the only thing he's doing now is general hospital. And to go from Dr. Zand Galactica to that, oh my. Yeah, he probably did that for a ham sandwich as well. But yeah, it seems like there wasn't
00:57:01
Speaker
I think there are some great ideas here. I mean, I enjoy the movie, but it's like looking at it with some of the flaws, it's kind of like, yeah, you kind of wonder what could have been, you know, how could you improve it? You know, there could have been a lot that could be done to improve it. But I did think, especially the Rose John Jones romance, because if they're not establishing her as like, above 18, she just sounds very, it just looks very skeevy. It's like,
00:57:30
Speaker
older we don't know how old john is he might be hundreds of years old but it's like the perceived thirty to forty-year-old guy uh... getting involved with potentially a young woman yeah it kind of felt very unnerving but i think it was just but that was as the person doing the voice didn't quite do it consistently and is that an issue of
00:57:56
Speaker
I think it's less an issue of the actors involved in more of this direction. Because a good director will have that consistency and can kind of push people to kick it up a notch. And Andrea Romano did the voice casting. So she usually has a good instinct for matching voice to role. So it's kind of one of those, I wonder, it'd be interesting to know if this was one that they felt they had to rush out or if this was one where they took the right amount of time
00:58:25
Speaker
it's just the ingredients didn't come together. Yeah,
Final Thoughts on Crisis on Two Earths
00:58:28
Speaker
I agree with that. And, you know, I'm thinking about it. I don't know what what Romano was thinking in this, because again, like you said, usually she she does a really great job with these voice casting, but these ones that just, it feels off, it doesn't quite land. And again, it's not like you said, it's not a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I think it's one of the better of the DC animated films. Like if I was
00:58:54
Speaker
you know, if I was putting this up against like the DC AMU, I think I ranked this above most of them with the exception of the the death and return of Superman. I mean, I think it's better than most. It's better than most of the other ones, though. But it's not. It doesn't it doesn't reach the same highs as Justice League Doom. And
00:59:19
Speaker
And even like the obviously not as high as the new frontier or even the Superman Batman ones, I don't think it's as good as those ones either. But it falls somewhere between that. But it is better than most of the AMU stuff, though. Yeah. And I think as we're talking, we're wondering about what Andrea Romano was thinking. He was reminding me of a story
00:59:50
Speaker
about the Doctor Who TV movie in 1996, where Philip Siegel, who was the producer, was asked why they hired Eric Roberts as the master, because they didn't necessarily want to go for that name. And it was basically, well, Universal was co-producing it. They had a list of names as to, they had a budget for the role. And the studio gave them a list of names. And Eric Roberts fit that budget line.
01:00:20
Speaker
to a T. So, I mean, he was, you know, he's okay in it. But I'm also wondering if maybe some of the choices she had were like, okay, I want person A not available, person B not available. Is Alec Baldwin available? No. Is Stephen Baldwin available? We don't want him. He'll work for a ham sandwich. Billy Baldwin? Okay, yeah, I guess. And okay, maybe we'll save a little money on it.
01:00:49
Speaker
Yeah, but it does feel like there's, and I think that lack of consistency. I think it's just kind of, again, I think because you've got two people in charge and I'm not sure who had the better ID, you know, if it was a shared, if it was shared, which means, okay, that choices were made to make the other happy, or if it was just like one person dropped off, one person dropped on, and
01:01:15
Speaker
you know, the work that the good stuff was done by one person and the other person had to kind of follow through and maybe didn't have the resources they did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a good movie. It's just not it doesn't it doesn't hit those those highs. It's not as good as especially with this source material. Right. The the Earth to graphic novel, I would have expected something a little bit more stronger.
01:01:44
Speaker
And I think a big part of that just comes from trying to remove it from, you know, canceling the DC, the DCAU project and then dusting off the script, trying to incorporate it into Earth 2. And it just, yeah, it just, it doesn't hit the way I hoped it would have. Yeah, and it's, for me as well, like I enjoy watching it, but it's not one I would,
01:02:12
Speaker
If I had to choose between say picking up like I've never seen Justice League do So if you have got to see him doom is amazing. Yeah Okay, I will I will I will put that on my to watch list I'll check it out of the library but like I'm trying to like if he had to put me in a room and say I have to choose between Justice League crisis on two orbs or Justice League god monsters I'd sooner watch crisis on two orbs because at least they're yeah
01:02:42
Speaker
Yeah, they're at least striving for something. And the hits are more numerous than the misses. Whereas with gods and monsters, it's kind of like you kind of go. It kind of becomes, did you really think this through, Bruce? Did you really think it through? And I think maybe not having that unified someone who had a clear idea.
01:03:11
Speaker
in having like that consistency, I think really hurts the film. Yeah, yeah, co-signed on that. So yeah, in some, I think that's a good way to summarize it. I mean, I would definitely say, check out Justice League Doom before you check out this. They're apparently set in the same continuity, which I think is bizarre because they don't seem like they really fit that well together.
01:03:34
Speaker
But the nice thing about Doom is the voice cast. Like they bring back Kevin Conroy, they bring back Tim Daly, Susan Eisenberg, Carl Lumley, they bring all of them back. Michael Rosenbaum, although there he's playing Barry Allen instead of Wally West, but still he's doing the voice of the Flash. But what they do too is, which I think was a brilliant casting move, is they get Nathan Fillion to do Hal Jordan and it works really well.
01:04:04
Speaker
So I would definitely recommend checking that out. I think it's a much stronger script. It's a much stronger... It's based on the Tower of Babel story, although instead of Ra's al Ghul, they use the Legion of Doom.
01:04:16
Speaker
it all fits together much better than this one. Like I think the changes, and I think McDuffie wrote that too, if I'm not mistaken. The changes he made to the Tower of Babel story, they work much better as opposed to the changes he made to the Earth 2 story. So I think those would probably be my final thoughts. Do you have any final things you wanted to mention about Crisis Unto Earths? Well, I would just add that if you are curious about the original story,
01:04:43
Speaker
Um, seek out the earth to graphic novel by, by Grant Morrison. I mean, you'll, you'll notice the similarities, but the movie kind of goes off in a nice different direction. Um, but I do think that if you're looking for a straightforward adaptation, you're probably better off with doom. If you're looking for like a variation on a theme crisis on two hours. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:06
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Yeah, agreed. I think definitely check out the graphic novel if you have not. I mean, that is, it's Morrison writing The Justice League, which is always a treat. But also, you've got Frank Quitely doing the art on that. And when Morrison and Quitely work together, it's magic. There's nothing like it in comics. And so definitely check those out. But I think that about does it for Crisis on Two Earth. So Gordon, do you want to tell people where they can find you? Anything you'd like to promote before we close up?
01:05:34
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Well, I've got the DePaul celebration of time travel on May 20th. You can find that via Eventbrite. You can also find the event listing on Facebook. I'm also part of Chicago Doctor Who Meetup. You can find us on Facebook. I'm also a new pulp author and I'm currently working on some
01:05:55
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Other other works to be published so you can find me on Amazon or head to Gordon damowski calm and I'll have all these links available for your for your browsing pleasure Okay, so we'll probably be too late for that event because I think this episode is actually dropping in June But definitely check out that other stuff. We'll have links in the show notes Gordon. Thanks for stopping by again. Good talking to you again on another Justice League animated film No problem. Thank you. Thank you for having me
01:06:24
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01:06:54
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01:08:04
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Thank you for listening and as always good night. Good evening. God bless.