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Week 3 Game Review: Packers vs. Browns Showdown
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In this episode, we dive deep into our review of the Week 3 NFL game against the Cleveland Browns, breaking down key plays, player performances, and pivotal moments that shaped the match. Join us as we analyze the strengths and weaknesses of the Green Bay Packers in this exciting clash and provide insights that every fan will appreciate.
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Intro
Frustrations and Humor over Packers' Loss
00:00:21
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back. That sucked. That's Iowa Joe. I'm Mike and the Packers were so bad today. I could not be bothered to wear a shirt for this episode because I ate it. I was so mad.
00:00:34
Speaker
Not really, but nobody else gets to see him, but I'm stuck looking at this like, okay, we got Adonis over here and we got the blob over on this side.
00:00:47
Speaker
I'm not sure which one of us he's talking about at this point. Yeah, like I'm the Adonis out of this frigging group.
00:00:55
Speaker
Oh,
Game Disappointment and Defensive Challenges
00:00:56
Speaker
what a wet fart of an ending to that game. I mean...
00:01:00
Speaker
Let's just... The only positive spin I can put on it is, like, they had to be in a position to blow it. And, you know, how much of that was... frustrating thing was, for the most part, they were doing what you needed to do to secure a win in this kind of game.
00:01:17
Speaker
Sure, you would have liked to see them make a few more plays on offense, but, you know, they were up two scores late in it, not making the back-breaking mistakes. Yes, you had many things that I'm sure we'll go over in our segments.
00:01:29
Speaker
And then the bottom just fell out. The bottom fell out twice, and almost a third time if you count Jacobs and his fumble-itis. But this just felt like one of those, like,
00:01:42
Speaker
The universe decided, Green Bay, you're not going to win today. And Green Bay didn't do nearly enough to say, we are going to win.
Special Teams Focus and Player Roles
00:01:55
Speaker
And we kind of talked about that in the preview where it it feels like one of those games that they should be able to go out there and just dominate things.
00:02:05
Speaker
But because of what Cleveland brings on defense, that's going to be the game changer. And it really was the game changer. Let's just go ahead and jump into our stuff. That way we don't over talk points. So, mmm, cheese.
00:02:23
Speaker
I'm going to go with one of the few low-hanging fruits that I know of. And that's, I think we've finally got a long-term... kick returner.
00:02:36
Speaker
Savion Williams has looked really good taking kicks. I'm hoping they start putting him more on punt returns also just because I think we're going to need the Matthew Golden with readout and Watson not quite back.
00:02:57
Speaker
I think we're going to need Golden out there to be more concentrating on being a receiver than being a punt returner, not saying he can't do all of it because he's done it so far, but I think we're going to hit that wall later in the season because you being a draft person, me being a draft person, those people out there that know draft stuff,
00:03:20
Speaker
know that when a guy comes out of the draft in in his rookie year, they always hit that wall because college has, what is it, four fewer games than professional the NFL does?
00:03:34
Speaker
Basically, even if you make it to the national championship game in the expanded playoff, you're still not playing 17 games in a season. So, yeah, it's like, yeah, ah there's a definitive difference.
00:03:47
Speaker
And I agree. And I think the... I know Savion doesn't fit the athletic type you usually want in a punt returner because you want a guy who can make one or two quick moves and then go.
00:03:58
Speaker
But I like how he's looked really comfortable fielding kickoffs. We've seen him move to catch kickoffs. So I really do like that part of it. And then I know we're going to have a discussion on the special teams unit, but I do feel like...
00:04:16
Speaker
At times, it almost seems like Golden has been told, do not run up for a punt where you might get schwacked kind of thing, even if you call fair catch. Because he's definitely reading them better. He didn't catch one inside the five-yard line today. You saw improvement there. He was a little more definitive on his inside the 10 reads, when to let the ball go, and all that kind of stuff. But he had a...
00:04:41
Speaker
had a couple where he could have run up like 10 more yards and he had time to like run up, get under the ball and settle himself. And he kind of like just starts pointing when you can tell the balls like not even like if you could extend the camera angle up another 20 feet, you still wouldn't see the ball in the frame kind of thing. And you can see him already like doing the double point to be like, it's there, it's coming there, get away from it kind of thing.
00:05:08
Speaker
And it's moments like those where I'm kind of like, I know he can get to that ball. And I don't like that.
Player Evaluations and Offensive Struggles
00:05:16
Speaker
Like I said, this is pulling a lot of straws, but it feels like he's been told, do not get in a position where you could get lit the fuck up.
00:05:25
Speaker
on a punt return kind of thing. That's all possible, but I think, and I know I interrupted you, but just to throw it something in there, it's possible that happened, and it's also possible that he has a little bit better vision when certain things happen, because one of the punts that he returned it bounced and then he took it.
00:05:46
Speaker
So I don't know if that helped him with his vision to see, okay, it hit. What are my options now? Grab it and go. And he had a decent, I mean, it wasn't like a 95 yard return for a touchdown, but it wasn't a negative play for him. positive yards out of it.
00:06:02
Speaker
So I don't know if that's added onto what you're talking about or if, if that's just how he's used to doing things. Agree. And you just want like,
00:06:14
Speaker
I brought it up before how like, you know, when Micah Hyde got drafted and I was like, oh, good, someone who will like return puns and stuff. And another buddy of mine who went to Iowa, he's like, yeah, but he fair catches too many of them. like, yeah, but he catches them. Like that's half the battle to me is like, and then Jeff and I joked about how like, well, shit, then he goes and returns like four of them for touchdowns in his first like two seasons as the returner.
00:06:39
Speaker
But like, To me, in the NFL, punters have gotten so good that you've got to field that. Unless you're dead certain it's bouncing into the end zone for a touchback, you've got to field it because you're either going to get pinned inside the two or it's going to do that thing where it's bouncing at the 15 and then that ball rolls itself down to the three-yard line, which is kind of what happened today on that one where Green Bay got pinned up against the goal line.
00:07:09
Speaker
And so, you know, whether it's like whether it's what I'm saying where the team has told them, like, if you've got to to run more than 10 yards, just let it go kind of thing.
00:07:19
Speaker
Or if it's like you or if it's a combination of what I'm saying and you're saying, like you said, where maybe letting it hit gives Golden a little bit better vision, comfort, whatever to return.
00:07:31
Speaker
But yeah, like.
00:07:33
Speaker
I agree with you that Savion has been the lone bright spot on kicker. Even on what should have been the game-winning drive, he catches that kickoff on the fly and gets to the 30 and then ends up grinding out another eight yards on the return to put the ball at basically the 40-yard line at that point. So, I mean, it's just an added dimension that we haven't had on that side of the ball and the new kickoff rules kind of provide.
00:08:01
Speaker
Well, this is the stats that he had today. He took three kicks for 78 yards. He averaged 26, and the long was 35, which is the one that you were talking about that he grinded out some more of those yards. And honestly, it got to the point on that grind out that it looked like he was going to sneak out of that pile.
00:08:17
Speaker
So that's why I said, may see, and, you know, I said this on our postgame with Brian that, you know, When he got drafted, it made me question why they signed McCole Hardman.
00:08:31
Speaker
Because when they signed McCole, it was to be, you know, all the speculations were to be he was going to be primary kick and punt returner. Then they went in the third round and drafted Savion Williams. It's like, then why did you give, I know it was a ah ah cheap contract, but why did you even waste the money to give McCole when you've got the guy that can do it do the same stuff but on a rookie contract and you're going to have him around for a little bit longer so that that didn't make we're seeing why i i kind of mentioned that is because he's able to do some of this stuff and i i think he could honestly do punt return with the way he grinded that last kickoff i think he could have an easier time doing punt return also because that means he can take a hit
00:09:20
Speaker
and avoid the or you know he can take a hit and bounce off of it and go and do you know get more yardage out of it now this is saying all this stuff without actually knowing what he can do on punt return but it's a gut feeling it's it's just what i've put in my head from seeing what he's done with kick return i know it's a little bit different to field a punt than it is a kick because the ball is coming at you a different way but you know i really think that we could put him there. And even though Golden can do what he can do, and who was the other one that they were throwing on punts for, they were kind of switching him and Golden out. Was it? Nixon took some last week against Washington after Reed got hurt. Yeah.
00:10:05
Speaker
Oh, yeah, it was Reed, and then Reed got hurt. Okay, yeah. So, I mean, instead of doing the switch outs, instead of doing all this stuff, let Golden figure, you know, Treat Golden like you're number one. Let him get into the offense.
00:10:19
Speaker
Savion can do what he does on offense, but then he can concentrate a little bit more on both return aspects. And like I said, that's one of the low-hanging fruits of fresh cheese on this one because Savion's looking good on that.
00:10:35
Speaker
Yep. Honestly, all the things that they're using him in, i think LeFleur went back to that will a little too much on offense because he had, you know, I feel like you...
00:10:48
Speaker
It's always hard to say, like, how many times it's too many to, like, show the, like, alternate and stuff, which in this case is Savion getting the ball on the jet sweeps or as the Wildcat quarterback and stuff.
00:11:02
Speaker
And it's one of those where it's like, okay, you've, like... given the cheese enough times, it's like, when do you just run the dive play behind it kind of thing and stuff. But I agree. Like, I do really like what we've seen out of Savion. And as much as, like, he doesn't fit the stereotypical build of what a punt returner looks like, I do think that the stuff we've seen him do, you know, whether on the jet sweeps or, like, as the wildcat quarterback speaks to that, he does have that short area quickness that you'd usually want in a punt returner.
00:11:32
Speaker
and yeah like you said why not like just i know i don't believe he's gotten many punt return chances in preseason but at this point given the circumstances why not like i don't think we had any because remember he was out for a good majority of the preseason and i think like if i think they might have listed him but he was like fifth or sixth on the list it was like I think he was getting some snaps during like mini camps and that because they were just basically throwing everybody there and say, you're going to field a punt. You're to field punt.
00:12:07
Speaker
And then, yeah, the only other, I guess, okay, I guess there's two other like fresh ones that I'll take. Rashawn taking advantage of his opportunities, getting two more sacks today.
00:12:18
Speaker
know on Saturday, ah I know the one play, he just wasn't touched by anybody, but you got to take advantage of your opportunities. And it was really good to see, not just to see him convert on those opportunities, but the one he didn't get touched, there was a burst there that he had getting you off the short corner into the backfield and throwing Flacco down. So good to see production there.
00:12:40
Speaker
And then the other fresh one that I've got is... It was really good to see third and Dobbs, and it was really good to see Golden have a big play moment in this game. And know those were far and few betweens for reasons that we'll get into later in this show, but it was nice to see those two provide some normalcy to them. And I'll throw Wicks in there too. Like the three of them really did provide some counterbalance to what was a kind of haphazardous offensive game due to issues that we'll go over shortly.
Coaching Critique and Defensive Analysis
00:13:14
Speaker
Oh, I've got one other one that's kind of a small one. So this is more of like a fresh cheese curd than an actual block of cheese. But, you know, John Fitzpatrick getting his first career touchdown.
00:13:25
Speaker
It was a good play. He got into a good spot. For a guy that we kind of like rode off for a little bit, he actually had a couple of chances.
00:13:35
Speaker
You know, two targets, 12 yards, average six, long of nine with the one touch, which it was the touchdown. So, you know, it's good to see him be able to get, you know, some playing time and get some stats out there.
00:13:50
Speaker
he was the lone touchdown for the Packers for today. So, you know, that's a, I got to give him a plus on that one. And it's honestly like, it's a bummer because if they had won this game, I would have spent like 15 minutes talking about how great of a play it was from both him and Love. Because like the short of it is, it's good awareness by Fitzpatrick to sit in his spot. Because if he continues out to the flat, he's just taking his defender underneath of...
00:14:17
Speaker
I believe it was Golden and I can't remember who the outside receiver was, but, you know, he's just clogging up the throwing lane and then you get situations like the pick that Rogers threw against the Bears in the fourth and Cobb game early in that game.
00:14:34
Speaker
Really good of him to like kind of just sit on the inside shoulder of the linebacker. And then it was good of Love to like pump fake him open because he like pumps to the the cross behind him.
00:14:43
Speaker
And then he throws it inside shoulder. And it kind like Fitzpatrick just like turtling with the ball to make sure that no one could do anything to it and stuff. And like I said, if they had won this game, it's one of those plays where it's like, yes, like...
00:14:58
Speaker
Well done. To Fitzpatrick's credit, Love threw it like he was Brett Favre throwing a rocket ball because that ball had some heat coming off of it. Yeah. And, le yeah, I just appreciate that Fitzpatrick kind of like it it it almost looked like he got punched in the gut and he kind of just like collapsed into it and stuff. But, yeah, I agree with you.
00:15:20
Speaker
ah ah I'm looking. I'm not really seeing. I mean, you mentioned Golden. You mentioned Dobbs. You mentioned Wicks. You could throw Kraft in there because, you know, he had an okay game for what was. Had what should have been the setup for the game. What should have been the game winning field goal.
00:15:39
Speaker
Yeah. Let's just move along. Like, this isn't celebrating a win. There's a lot of stuff to hand out for this game. What's this deal, shit?
00:15:50
Speaker
I don't know how much of stuff we can say is stale because I think I've got one that I'm, you know, people are going to say I'm an alarmist for bringing this up and again and again. And, but,
00:16:06
Speaker
Jacob's, like his ball security has been an eyesore for me. And I'm only leaving it barely in stale because it didn't burn the team yet. But he had moments, and I tweeted this early in the game where I was like, you know, he catches that third down conversion.
00:16:25
Speaker
And it's like, dude, you're held it with one hand you're not on the goal line you're not trying to score a touchdown here like it's a it's a first down so tuck that thing away you're carrying it in the wrong hand you're you know you don't you can't see if there's a second defender coming at you kind of thing and stuff and then the sequentially next play he's running and he does that thing where like It's really weird to talk about because he holds it high and tight in front of him, but then when he starts to open up the throttle to run, he pumps his arms so far in back of him that it's like...
00:17:04
Speaker
A stiff breeze could blow it out of his hand when it's like that. And it almost, they almost got him. And then obviously he got saved by the fact that there is no way to conclusively determine who recovers a fumble under the pile kind of thing. And know people were like staunchly like, you can see his two yellow gloves on the football and stuff like that. But again, it's like,
00:17:28
Speaker
you know what part of the game you're in. Put two hands on the football. Like there's no... I don't know how you can see two hands on that because he only had one out. The other one was underneath him. Yeah. And so it's like, it's the whole like, again, it's like the third down conversion earlier in the game where it's like, you're not on the goal line. Hell, you fumbled going into the goal line last year and like made the Colts game more interesting than it should have been.
00:17:55
Speaker
And put like that one that almost... blew the game on the final drive before the blocked field goal. It's like, tuck the damn ball with two hands. You're not stretching for the end zone on this play. So like, you... And I know some people are like, oh, but he's trying to steady himself. like, no, like, this isn't the point to pull out some Barry Sanders ass move to like, try and break four tackles and get a touchdown. It's like...
00:18:21
Speaker
Sure, yes, you should always play for a closer field goal, but you know Cleveland has been trying to rip the ball all game. Stop taking dumb chances with it.
00:18:32
Speaker
So that's leadoff stale this game. I'm going to put this one in stale, but it probably should go into moldy. And that's the secondary play this this game.
00:18:45
Speaker
I don't know if it was the game plan to do it, if they just weren't used to it. Because though the pass rush was kind of hitting home, Flacco was still making some pretty decent throws.
00:18:57
Speaker
But it just seemed like there were too many open receivers. And there were times that it almost bit them in the ass because the one that I think of right off the top of my head, and you might think of more, but the one that mainly comes off the top of my head is the weird flea flicker that they tried to run where...
00:19:18
Speaker
you know obviously flea flicker you hand to the tailback tailback runs pitches it back and then you're supposed to throw it deep that's the that's the part of a flea flicker that that but for some reason flacco threw it as a as a screen pass so that was weird but when you saw the replay and you saw you know the wide screen of everything and you saw everything going on the field he had isaiah bond running free in the middle with nobody around him mckinney was deep but by the time mckinney would have caught him could have almost been in the in the end zone or close to the end zone and there were a couple other times that that stuff happened that and i mentioned this on the post game that had flacco been in his prime state
00:20:05
Speaker
this game would have been completely different because they were leaving too many guys open and and i i did i compared it because it was making me sick it looked a lot like an an iowa hawkeye game more than green bay packer game because there was a lot of soft zone and and like that yeah they it was really weird because there were multiple instances where they like the first the first zone defender just like didn't want to carry routes kind of thing. And another one of those was, I think it was the plays, it was in that sequence right before halftime where they sack Flacco on first down or second down.
00:20:45
Speaker
And then he like, he steps up and throws that deep dig route. And when you see the replay, Hobbs kind of just like, He doesn't bump, I think it was Judy on that play.
00:20:57
Speaker
He doesn't bump him. And then he kind of just like throws his hand up to be like, he's coming, go get him kind of thing. And there's no route threatening up short. And also like, it's a two minute drill. So like, you don't care if they catch something underneath kind of thing. And it was, it just really odd situational,
00:21:19
Speaker
mismanagement. And yeah, like you said, like it just, they just weren't totally locked in like they had been the first couple weeks. And I want to chop it up to being like the first road game.
00:21:32
Speaker
It's an uncommon opponent being an AFC team, blah, all that kind of stuff. And like, they just done so many things so well the first two games that it really made the stuff they did wrong today an eyesore.
00:21:45
Speaker
And it, I agree with you. It's kind of like,
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even know what barometer to put on it. Like I said, we're still only in week three. So I don't, you know, there's no five, you know, five alarm, you know, fire or anything like that.
00:22:01
Speaker
But it's all data that we're taking down to like compare in another month or two where it's like, okay, which one was the trend and which one was the blip? You know, like, like, which, which way do we go?
00:22:13
Speaker
My other stale, and it's hard to say because I don't know if we'll face another Garrett-level defender because we have the other guy in Parsons. My other stale was, feel like LeFleur almost... TJ Watt.
00:22:26
Speaker
Oh, I guess Watt, yeah. I feel like LeFleur almost over-prepared for Garrett. And... You know, I don't want to get too This was going to be Here, before you get into it, we're just going to throw it into our next one. It's a moldy cheese. ah ah was going to be one of mine.
00:22:43
Speaker
Okay. And so, like I said, I'm pulling it into the still because the break I'm giving him is like... you spend the week not knowing who your starting O-line is going to be because Banks and Tom are injured and stuff. And that's another conversation we'll get into.
00:23:00
Speaker
But then you're like, oh, OK, cool. I've got my starting O-line. And then Tom is out after one play. And so in LeFleur's position, you're kind of like, shit. Like, you know, you're kind of you're caught left handed at the wrong time. And you're like, shit, what do I do now kind thing.
00:23:17
Speaker
But there were... I don't mind you giving him extra help and stuff like that, but I felt the chips were weird because you had the one where Musgrave starts blocking.
00:23:29
Speaker
It wasn't even a chip, but it's like Musgrave is blocking Garrett, and then Walker isn't... ready for him kind of thing and stuff. And then you had the play where you like definitely have three guys trying to block Garrett, but then Morgan gets his ass kicked off, like right off the snap kind of thing and stuff.
00:23:50
Speaker
And so, like I said, I'm barely holding it up into the, the, the stale because the offensive line situation, which was a thing of their own doing, and we'll discuss later, but two, you're,
00:24:05
Speaker
you don't have, like you said, it's, it's Garrett and Watt basically are the only two guys like this on your schedule. And they're both uncommon opponents. And so it's like, LeFleur kind of was like, Oh, let's go over prepared instead of possibly underprepared. But it's your lot. The rest of your line isn't good enough to do that kind of stuff anymore. And LeFleur needs to recognize that. And, know,
00:24:30
Speaker
And yeah, I'm going cut that one short because like I said, I had it as still. You go into your part, what made it moldy for you? Well, actually, you're wrong. It's not just a Garrett and a Watt.
00:24:41
Speaker
We play the Bengals, so we'll have to deal with Hendrickson. play the Eagles. So to deal with their whole defensive front.
Penalties and Refereeing Impact
00:24:51
Speaker
I'm talking about, I'll give, I'll give Hendrickson that regard, but like, I don't think the, the giants and the Eagles, I look more at as like, it's a collective unit thing as opposed to like, but it's the giants have Thibodeau and, uh, uh, burn. So you're, you're going to be looking at double there.
00:25:10
Speaker
Then you got lions with Hutchinson again. um um I'm trying and think. We got the Broncos. I can't think of anybody on theirs. That's really a... Benito is pretty good, I guess. But yeah, he's not at that tier. He's not in that elite tier.
00:25:28
Speaker
And then, of course, you got the Ravens. So... But there are teams that we're probably going to run into the same thing, and hopefully LeFleur learned his lesson from today and and can free game plan things. But it's a moldy for me because of many reasons.
00:25:49
Speaker
Let's just put it that way. One, offensive line, whatever they were doing, they should have never put Zach Tom out there. I've got that moldy as its own separate thing. I totally agree with you there. Right. How many times were we talking about this on the preview that he kept saying that I'm not comfortable yet.
00:26:11
Speaker
I don't know if I'll be able to go. I don't know if i i I, you know, I struggled running. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this. And next thing we know, he's starting. And then he's out after the first play. He should have never been put out there.
00:26:24
Speaker
They should have prepared whoever they were going to put at right tackle, whether it was Morgan, whether it was Belton, whether it was Kennard. They called up Banks, whatever. Whatever they were going to do, then that's what they should have done.
00:26:39
Speaker
But the offensive line as a whole was just junk today. Elton Jenkins was getting his ass handed to him. The $77 million man, Aaron – is it Aaron Banks? Yeah, Aaron Biggs.
00:26:53
Speaker
For some reason, it didn't... I was thinking of one of the old 90s Packers, and it just... It it it wasn't, like, clicking there. You know what it is? They're both left guard Aaron's from Notre Dame.
00:27:07
Speaker
It's Aaron Taylor in the 90s and Aaron Banks now. So... He was, and I know he was still struggling, but you can't go out and say, I'm playing no matter what, yeah come out and have a game like that.
00:27:22
Speaker
You know, it just, that's not a good look. Rasheed Walker was holding up the best he could. I mean, he was probably one of the lone bright spots ah Sean Ryan was so-so.
00:27:34
Speaker
They really didn't call much. You know, you didn't really hear his name called much, which, you know, they always say that that's a good thing when it comes to the offensive line. But I blame the players because Zach Tom should have been man enough. And I'm not calling him not a man, but he should have known his own body and said, Coach, I can't go.
00:27:55
Speaker
LaFleur, being the head coach, if he didn't think he was ready, should have been like, Zach, you're sitting. And where the hell was the medical staff? This medical staff is known to be conservative when it comes to injuries.
00:28:09
Speaker
How is it that he can go out and play when every day leading up to this, he was saying, I don't know if I'm going to be able to go. I'm still bothered by it.
00:28:20
Speaker
And now we have to worry maybe he made it worse. Right, and that's what I was saying all week. Don't turn two- to four-week injury into a two- to four-month injury.
00:28:30
Speaker
That's the worst thing you can do at this point. And those guys, TJ Watt lines up over the right tackle. know they move Garrett around more than he has in a lot of other games, but he really does prefer to rush off the blind side.
00:28:46
Speaker
So, like... even more so. And I thought Belton was OK today when he got in after all the injuries took place. Wasn't great or anything, but he wasn't the the like you said, you it's the whole like no one was great on the old line. But I thought Belton and Walker were two of the least problematic things out there.
00:29:05
Speaker
And I tweeted it early in the game where it's like you had the one where can't remember if it was a sack or just a pressure, but you had the one play where Jenkins like doesn't look the right way off the snap and the nose tackle just comes right up the right A-gap on Love.
00:29:23
Speaker
And you can tell, like, okay, Ryan and the right tackle clearly are going to the right. And so it's like, did you miss the slide or did you just forget who you're supposed to do? I thought that happened a lot throughout the game because there was one that I remember that – uh walker and banks went off to the left
Symbolic Mishaps and Team Preparation
00:29:43
Speaker
and they had two free runners coming through and jenkins went off to the right and it's like are you not watching your gap line up here Yeah.
00:29:53
Speaker
And I, you know, who knows, like, bad call, bad missed assignment, whatever. But I said, part of this is, is that this line has not played together enough over the first few weeks of the season. And you saw the warts of that come true. And these kind of things always play up on the road. You know, you can't, you know.
00:30:14
Speaker
Cleveland's not good, but they're still loud in that stadium. And you saw a couple, you know, Love's basically having student council meetings in the backfield where, like, he's like, dude, like, you can see him trying to be, like, calm, cool, collected, but it's like,
00:30:29
Speaker
guys know what you're doing and he had a couple plays where like he's kind of getting on the whole old line because he's like you guys have to get in position so i could run hurry up or i can catch because i think that's why he wasn't sure he caught the browns with 12 guys on the field in that one play where lefleur had to challenge it because he was like yelling at one of the linemen to like hurry up and get set so i can no he was yelling at the ref Because the ref was standing and the way. No, that was a different one. That was a different one.
00:30:58
Speaker
one that you're talking about where he was, where they thought that they were getting the 12 men was the ref was up there and was like, didn't know if he was stopping it or not.
00:31:08
Speaker
No, no, no. So there was that one in the first quarter. And I think that ended the first quarter. And then there was the one in... I forget, the second or the third, the one that LeFleur had to challenge it, where he, like... And Moose Johnston was like, you can see him telling his linemen, like, get in your stance kind of thing and stuff.
00:31:28
Speaker
But there were multiple, and we'll get in, like... I know we always say we don't want to get on the ref. This ref crew was shit today. So, like, you just combine, like... But the... the more than anything the packers did not do enough to not let the refs being terrible be part of the the the outcome so we're gonna go through all of those and stuff So yeah, the O-line overall, it just was not good.
00:31:52
Speaker
Whether you look at it from the Zach Tom situation, I don't think Banks' injury was as directly, know, it's not like Tom where it's like he re-aggravated what he had because he had an ankle and then he left with the ball. Because then Morgan played left guard for a few snaps, at least a few snaps.
00:32:10
Speaker
Yeah, but I'm saying like, it's not as direct of like a, oh yeah, that's the same thing he came in with problem kind of thing. Like, You know, I know that it's all lower body. So hypothetically, if he's at all favoring the groin could have gone because of the ankle and all that kind stuff But it's not like with Tom where it's like, like you said, all week it was, I'm not 100%. And he didn't even give the like,
00:32:38
Speaker
You know, on Wednesday, it wasn't even the like, I'm not feeling great, but I'm going to give it ah I'm expecting to give it a go. It was, I don't feel good. We'll see how I feel. You know, we'll see tomorrow kind of thing. And you just never feel good about those kind of situations where...
00:32:55
Speaker
And I wouldn't have been if he was like a quarterback more than a offensive lineman, because a quarterback theoretically can play with a with a strained groin.
00:33:07
Speaker
He's not going to be as crisp. But he's not having to drive at... Love did it last year. Like, it wasn't great, but it was... And, like, the whole thing that I think of is, like, Bulaga in... I think it was 2012. The one where he, like, fucked up his hip on the play where, like, he's playing with, like...
00:33:27
Speaker
two other injuries and it was the one where like if he just fell down he would have been fine but because he was like no no i need to stay on my feet and do my job that he like i think they said he like almost tore the bone off his like he almost tore the was that the dislocation didn't he dislocate it something like that it was bad and that was the one where they were like oh yeah if he just fell down he would have been okay kind of thing and it was like That's the most Packers injury that he got hurt worse because he, like, tried to be a man and not fall down on a play and stuff. So it really, like, that was the kind of thing that I was like, I don't want Tom to play this game. And not in a, like, we're good enough with that because this O-line showed they're not.
00:34:13
Speaker
But it's the whole... don't lose the war and the battle kind of thing. Like, you've got, I say it all the time, you've got to approach the season with a 30,000 foot view.
00:34:27
Speaker
It's a marathon, not a sprint. All the adages you want to use for it. And the part of put the the play calling that I did put in my moldy is... I don't like when LeFleur goes both overly wild in his protection scheme and in terms of like shelving his play calling where it's like you've still got to play to your identity.
00:34:56
Speaker
And I felt like in the first half, he like went so far into like protective mode that it was like, no, like we're throwing everything short. We're throwing screens. Like we threw more like of those like running back, like those little like running back lead block screens that I've seen in a long time.
00:35:16
Speaker
I can't tell you the last time we threw two wide receiver screens in the same drop, like true, like outside receiver steps in kind of thing and stuff. And I think that's kind of why Rasheed got called for the also I thought his illegal man downfield this is getting into the ref thing I thought that was a load of crap because he's clearly in the backfield and that rule is like it doesn't count when you throw it behind the line of scrimmage kind of thing but I I don't like when LaFleur just totally junks his usual stuff
00:35:48
Speaker
Along with going overprotective. I think that I have less problem if you're going to pay more attention to a singular player like a Garrett or a Watt. If you're still going to do that to run your usual stuff.
00:36:03
Speaker
I don't like it when you do both. that's a movie. And he was overdoing it because there were even times they were showing on replay that he was putting three people on Miles Garrett. Right. And like I said, don't mind being like committing to that, but then you can't also be like, okay, and we're not running anything like past the sticks or anything like that. And you saw love.
00:36:25
Speaker
I think that's kind of what got love on the, the, the final play of the third quarter where it's like, I don't know what you're looking at, Jordan, but you've got to throw the ball away or something at that point. You can't take a sack That's another moldy that we'll get into in a minute. But also, I do think that it's like that's one of those moments where he got like paralysis by analysis because like the game plan is so like...
00:36:55
Speaker
overprotective child safety mode that it's like you can see his brain seizing up where it's like, oh, I'm supposed to take the check down quick kind of thing, but oh, Romeo might be open and stuff, and I'm just tossing the softball up for you to lead into this play because that one, they had momentum on that drive, and then that play just...
00:37:15
Speaker
air went out of the balloon on offense a little bit there after that so i guess we're just going to combine all these together because we keep running into them but play calling sucked for some reason like you said he went conservative but it was really weird because he went conservative in the fourth quarter he like opened it up a little bit in the third quarter when they finally got their touchdown and then he went conservative in the fourth quarter like well we don't want to trust anything Well, then I think by that time the defense was so gassed that they couldn't make any stops.
00:37:46
Speaker
And then Jordan was making some dumb decisions. He took a couple of sacks that could have been easy throwaways. One in particular, he was way outside the pocket that he should have been able to toss it away and not got anything called against him.
00:38:01
Speaker
But he ended up taking the sack. And I do want to say, Andy Herman, I know you know some, you do know things. but you cannot justify that. There's no justification there.
00:38:13
Speaker
Throw it away, you lose it down. He took the sack and lost what was it, like 15 yards on that play. And you take away, like you're at midfield and you could have gone for fourth and one in that scenario.
00:38:23
Speaker
Like that was the big day day There's no running clock. Like it's not like it's an end of game scenario. It's like, ooh, they're out of timeouts and you can run 40 seconds off the clock. Good. Like that's a smart play in that scenario.
00:38:35
Speaker
That one is just like... I was pleased they actually snapped the ball because I do hate the like, you only go for like drawing them off sides kind of thing. But then it's like no one looked ready for the play. And then, like I said, Jordan, you saw his brain fuse in that in he's like outside the tackle box. And you're like, just just throw it. Like, just get rid of it. Do you think it's possible?
00:38:58
Speaker
And I'm not saying it is. But do you think it's possible that Jenkins snapped that ball when he wasn't supposed to? And nobody was really ready because like you said, nobody seemed really ready for the play to be called.
00:39:13
Speaker
And then all of sudden we get a snap and Jordan's on the run.
00:39:17
Speaker
It's possible, but only, i only don't think so because you don't see him like yelling at Jenkins after the play. He kind of looked more disappointed in himself kind of thing.
00:39:29
Speaker
I do think Jordan isn't that guy. I don't know if he'll become that guy later in his career, but he really does, you know, the whole, like, he doesn't have a pulse. He's very even-keeled kind of thing.
00:39:41
Speaker
But like I said, you saw the times where he had, like, the student council meeting in the backfield or in the time when he has to call timeout because the play is slow or, like, guys aren't getting lined up quick enough.
00:39:52
Speaker
You can see where he's like, come on, like, we're better than this. is That play, it was just so weird because he takes the sack, They're going into the quarter-ending commercial timeout.
00:40:01
Speaker
And he kind of just, like... He looked more upset at him. He kind of was like... It was sort of like the... Well, that was stupid. like like Like, it sort of looked more like that reaction than the... Oh, like, Elton, what the fuck? Like, you know, like... So...
00:40:16
Speaker
It was just a bad play. Yeah. i i It was. And had some moments. Yeah. don't blame you for thinking that because it just was such a weird sequence scenario kind of thing. It was just a thought that came to my mind right then because, you know, it used to be with Rogers that if the play clock started going to a certain time, he told his centers to just go ahead and snap Yeah.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah. So I didn't know if maybe that could have been one of those things that him and Jenkins had talked about it and said, we're going to run a play no matter what. So once it hits a certain time, just snap the ball.
00:40:52
Speaker
And it just didn't work out for him. And that's why he could have been upset at himself with it. But overall, that was just – and then, like you said, the burn timeouts. That's an old Rodgers thing I thought we were getting away from and having to waste timeouts early over stupid shit.
00:41:14
Speaker
And they had been better at it first two games of the season. Yeah. I want it to just be it's a first road game. And did feel like it. But at the same time, you're right. It doesn't sit well. Where you're kind of just like... ah You're grinding your teeth at it and stuff.
00:41:31
Speaker
The penalties. They were... Like I said, this ref crew wasn't good, but the pre-snap penalties the offense was getting called for, like Jordan Morgan.
00:41:42
Speaker
Morgan. You cannot be a guy who we don't know what your position is and then be pissing away like 20 yards worth of pre-snap penalties on your own. Yeah.
00:41:56
Speaker
He killed multiple third and shorts, one of them leading to the field goal we did make because you it's third and three and third and four and then false starts into a third and nine kind of thing. had the third and one where Love gets sacked on the next play.
00:42:14
Speaker
And then the worst one is the Tucker k Craft Craft dive play where... There is absolutely no reason for him to be going when he does. Like, those are the kind of mistakes that are just inexcusable.
00:42:27
Speaker
Evan Williams with his penalties were kind of junk. Parsons took, you know, he took responsibility for his and, you know, it's so hard because when you're that kind of player,
00:42:44
Speaker
you're gonna push the boundaries of like, it is the whole like with him lining up off sides, his are the whole like, I'm gonna go 10 over the speed limit until yeah get caught.
00:42:56
Speaker
Unfortunately, he got caught at the worst moment in the game. Clay used to do it all the time too. Clay was really good at reading the snap count and and would nail him sometimes. But before we get any further, here's what the final breakdown was according to ESPN.
00:43:08
Speaker
And it's a really weird breakdown when it comes to the penalties. So the Browns had eight penalties for 90 yards. The Packers had 14 penalties for 75 yards. So while they had more penalties called against them, they gave up less yardage than the Browns did for the penalties.
00:43:27
Speaker
Well, most of the Packers ones, like, you know, 10 of them were pre-snap. And then the other four were like all on the Browns goal line kind of thing. And like I said, we're getting there. Don't worry. We're getting there.
00:43:39
Speaker
But yeah, this ref crew was nuts. I mean, it got to the point where even Moose was saying that wasn't, there was nothing there. I don't like that one. There was nothing there.
00:43:49
Speaker
And it wasn't just against the gifts of Packers. It was on both sides that they were just calling these random ass penalties that it's like, and And I still didn't look it up to see who said it. I talked about it in the postgame that somebody tweeted out that what, the refs getting paid by the flag, you know, by flags?
00:44:08
Speaker
I think it was Wayne and Rock. I believe it was the two of them that...
00:44:15
Speaker
I believe they were one of them. And then it was someone else that kind of said a similar thing. Someone like with a following who said the same thing and stuff. But yeah, like there was a... The ones that were the god awful worst though were like the sequence before the Browns got their first field goal where the call on Bullard is like so...
00:44:40
Speaker
Late? Quarterly. It's late. First off, it's days late. And then, to me, the reason didn't, and this is not homework, the reason I don't believe it deserved a call is Tillman is not at all trying to look for the ball.
00:44:55
Speaker
And Bullard's a little out of position, but it's within the five-yard bump zone. And Tillman's not trying to fight Bullard off. He's like, he feels contact, and he's immediately throwing his hands up, like, oh, I'm done. And I hate, I absolutely hate when referees reward that kind of behavior because... And that wasn't the only one. There was one other one that they were going the other way. Three plays later, it's the Nixon one where...
00:45:21
Speaker
There was nothing going to be called. And then all of sudden the receiver looked back at the ref and was pointing at him. And then the flag immediately came out. Right. And then, what's it called?
00:45:32
Speaker
And then thank God they called the chop block on the Browns, which it was a chop block, but also like, there better be a quick makeup call and stuff like that.
00:45:44
Speaker
And, you know, the worst thing that the Packers got in their favor was the holding call on Wyatt Teller before halftime because, and Moose was right on that one too. Like, that's not a hold. like like um Well, that's what I mean. It wasn't just against the Packers. They were going back and forth. just But what was the one that was in the end zone?
00:46:06
Speaker
And it Browns were like right near the goal line and it was like a pass interference or holding or a defensive holding or whatever. But doesn't that have the same thing?
00:46:19
Speaker
That was within five yards of each other. And does that not matter in the end zone? I'm pretty sure it's supposed to. I think you're talking about Williams' last penalty, right, after the interception. I don't remember who it was, but they the receiver was, like, coming across the end zone.
00:46:36
Speaker
And it might even have been Nixon that they kind of nailed on a grab. And he like slightly grabbed the shoulder, but they were like right on like the two yard line. Yeah. And that's the thing is like, I think he was deep enough in the end zone that he was like past five yards kind of thing and stuff.
00:46:55
Speaker
But to me, that one, it's like a moose called it out. He's like, that's not even marginal. That's nothing like you like. Nixon has a right. You know, it's like what I was saying about Hobbs getting called or why Nixon didn't get called on the one Noah Brown play last week.
00:47:13
Speaker
It's just like he has a right to that spot on the field because he is standing there first. And Judy, and again, it's the whole like you don't fight off the contact.
00:47:25
Speaker
You run into him and then like the throw is off and you don't make a play on the ball kind of of That's the part where like okay, like the rules are the rules for pass interference, but...
00:47:40
Speaker
I, you know, like whatever it was like eight years ago when they were like, oh, pass interference is reviewable. I didn't have a problem with it at its core because I was like, there are so many terrible pass interference calls because of the penalty on the defense. It absolutely should be a reviewable thing.
00:47:56
Speaker
The problem was is that teams were stupid about it and were challenging the dumbest ones to challenge. And then and are ones that I think need to be like an automatic review.
00:48:08
Speaker
Right. Where if it's called pass interference, then New York needs to do one of their split second reviews and say, no, that wasn't pass interference. you had had And buzz down to the ref. And, you know, like, what is it that they what do they call it? It's the or whatever they call it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
Yeah. ah ah It's like main line whatever, you know, assistance. But, you know, they're watching this multiple screens in New York. That's something they could easily do.
00:48:38
Speaker
I know you want to take you don't want to move to like an automatic officiating system. You want to leave a lot of it up to the human element.
00:48:50
Speaker
But in cases like this, it makes you not want to leave it to them because they were just calling fouls to call fouls. Even 12 men on the field that LeFleur had to challenge to get right, that's one of those where it's like, you know, they're talking about, like, they're doing the replay and Moose and... Burkhardt are like talking it through and you can hear the two of them stop because they you know they cut from the old they cut from the broadcast view of the sack to the spider cam and you can clearly see Devin Bush eases off the throttle running off the field and you hear both of them like tail off because they're like in their head they're like that's the 12th guy and he is very clearly still on the field kind of thing and it's one of those where it's like
00:49:35
Speaker
you can't miss that. Like it's one of those where you just can't miss that. The other thing about it is they were taking so many long, ah so so much time in their quote unquote conferences when they would call ah or throw a flag too. And like,
00:49:49
Speaker
if you can't make the decision when you throw the flag don't throw the flag right and sometimes i in those discussions i always hope that like the crew is like fred are you sure about this like are you do you really have to throw this flag fred my idea it is they they're usually talking the guy into yeah that's what the penalty is that's yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah And you can tell, you can sometimes tell though, it's like Fred, like Fred, really Fred and stuff.
00:50:17
Speaker
But I do agree with you. Like half the time it is whole, like, like I said, the the one that blew my mind was when Wicks caught that one, where he runs the orbit motion and he's like five yards behind the line of scrimmage, catches the throw.
00:50:32
Speaker
And it's in the realm where it's almost a lateral. And then they're like, oh, illegal man downfield. And I'm like, I thought it doesn't matter if the pass is caught within a yard of the line of scrimmage and, and it doesn't even matter because Wicks is in the backfield kind thing.
00:50:47
Speaker
And that one, i i was like, well, fuck it. It doesn't matter because Jacobs caught a screen the very next play and it got a first down kind of thing and stuff. But, and wasn't one there one in the end zone where it should have been a Packers TD, but it came off the board because of some stupid ass penalty.
00:51:06
Speaker
I don't know. My mind is all kinds of mush because it put me into a thunk after watching that bullshit. Yeah, not today. I'm trying to roll a deck switch when you're talking about.
00:51:20
Speaker
I don't think they had a throw into the end zone today that mattered. I did think the one they missed, though, was especially with what they were calling PI late in the game.
00:51:31
Speaker
I thought that Ward should have been called for PI on the third down right before they kicked the field goal to go up 3-0 because he's panicking, he's late, and he doesn't, you know, he's diving at Wicks, and he clearly catches the the both arms. Like, with each hand, he catches a different arm of Wicks.
00:51:50
Speaker
And, like... The ball hits him in the shoulder padded. I know Love needs to throw a better pass and all that. But you're not looking for the ball and you're early contacting the receiver.
00:52:00
Speaker
That's PI. Like... like That's the definition of it. It's like the gif that I kept putting out there of the clowns pulling the endless handkerchief out of their pocket. That was basically what the refs were today.
00:52:14
Speaker
And like I said, we would be talking about this if Green Bay had won the game. This isn't why they lost, but it just deserves to be called out that this was a shittily officiated game.
00:52:25
Speaker
like it was just and i've said it multiple times already you know they were calling calls on both sides yeah it wasn't just a packers thing it wasn't just a browns thing it was on both sides and to like to dip into both how we've said the o-line was bad and the rest were bad they could have called the packers o-line for false starts on like 20 plays this afternoon because and like i said that ties back to the first game on the road because they were like clearly leaving early on snaps and stuff like to to my eye i thought they were like very early and stuff but it's one of those that it's like it just goes to show like you know you whether you read into the tinfoil hats of like do the refs have a quota that they're allowed to call up to do they you know just get into moments where yeah all that kind of stuff stuff the last
00:53:15
Speaker
the last moldy that I think we both have on the back burner. It's rich and it's like... Now, before you get into it, I'm going to disagree with you on one thing.
00:53:28
Speaker
I thought special teams overall was pretty solid today up until that final issue with the block kick. The reason... So the coverage teams were good today.
00:53:42
Speaker
The kick returns were pretty solid. The reason I have a problem with it, and I think Wayne called it out, or Wayne or Moose called it. I saw someone tagged it after the game.
00:53:56
Speaker
One of them said, on the field goal we made, ooh, that almost got blocked. like...
00:54:03
Speaker
And it felt like 2021 where, you know, like you have the Crosby game winner in San Fran where it's like, ooh, that guy, like the ball goes between his arms kind of thing and stuff.
00:54:15
Speaker
And it felt like that. And it's like on the fight on the and then on the game, what should have been the game winning field goal. It's like. it was in the back of my mind, but I'm like 44 yards is where it shouldn't be a low kick and all that kind of stuff.
00:54:32
Speaker
And then the floodgates just open on the left side of the line. Like you have. And who was one of the ones there? The one that was having problems all damn game with blocking Jordan Morgan.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yup. And so, and that's one where
00:54:49
Speaker
I don't like small guys. Like, he's a... I know he's a 300-pound lineman, but I don't like light guys on the interior of the field goal protection team because he got jacked backwards on that play.
00:55:02
Speaker
And I always prefer guys who are just, like, You want the Nazir Stackhouse types in the middle there because it's not about protecting an edge or like you have to square up your gap on the inside. You know, it's the rules are your inside hand is strong and then you pass the guy outside to the next guy. It's the phalanx.
00:55:25
Speaker
But it's like, and in that scenario is where I don't like guys like Morgan who are light in the pants and can get jacked by a double team coming at them kind of thing.
00:55:37
Speaker
And you just saw it. Like, it looked like a zombie movie where, like, so The barricade gets bowled over kind of thing. And it's like, you can't have your protection unit get beat in the middle and have a guy winning around the edge kind of thing. And I hate that it's Kraft who was the end man on the line in that scenario.
00:55:57
Speaker
But it's like... He, it's like Kraft didn't trust the inside shoulder. Because when you're that last guy, you have to shove that guy clear of the pocket.
00:56:09
Speaker
And he like, I don't know if it's because of how Cleveland lined up, but he like looks inside and then he's late coming back over to push the corner wide kind of thing and stuff.
00:56:21
Speaker
And it, like you said, I know that three-fourths of the special teams unit looked good today, but your job is to get all four of those suckers.
00:56:34
Speaker
And like I said, it wouldn't have been as bad if it was only the block. It would still be bad, but like I said, my thing was that first field goal didn't look great either on the protection unit.
00:56:49
Speaker
I get that there's bodies moving in and out because of injury, you know, like Tom and Banks leave the game. i i don't know if Banks is supposed to be where Morgan is and stuff, but, Bullard leaves and, and apparently Wyatt got injured too, according to Kuhn at some point in the game.
00:57:05
Speaker
But like, Your job, like your whole job as special teams coordinator is that's all of those things. That's your baby. And you cannot have a part of it fuck up because it's going to cost you the game when it matters most.
00:57:23
Speaker
So I've got one more that's kind of an interesting one. And I just I'm kind of confused about the whole thing. And this one goes out to the equipment managers of the Green Bay Packers.
00:57:35
Speaker
How does a fucking face mask break in the middle of a game? How do you let a fucking offensive lineman's face mask break in the middle of a game?
00:57:46
Speaker
Okay, a a yeah and Moose has seen a lot of football, has played... He is the fullback who got fullbacks on the Pro Bowl roster. And had a good, fun five minutes just giving it to the Packers equipment team because I think he was dumbfounded. Like you said, that was... you I've seen the kind where one screw on the top pops out and then thing is rattling stuff.
00:58:11
Speaker
I've never seen it where the whole... shebang is like off like Rasheed's whole face mask was being held on by one screw on that ah ah like I've never seen that you're right like And the fact that he didn't just grab someone else's helmet is beyond me. It's hard to. You got to remember in the pros that they're specially molded to them.
00:58:34
Speaker
That's true. guess I guess the times of McGee wearing a lineman helmet is over and stuff like that. But it is of those where... And the shitty thing is the only helmets that they have backups for are the green dots. So it's only the quarterback and the, you know, like Quay's helmet are the only ones that they have backups for.
00:58:52
Speaker
But yeah, like watching the equipment guy. And, and, mean, he was moving as fast as he could. He was. How did he let that happen? But like, you can see it when they zoom in on Rasheed's helmet that all four of those screws at his chin are gone. And it must have sonic ringed when he got hit on that play because I've never seen that happen before. it Like I said, this is one of those we would be laughing out loud if they had won the game because it was one of those like
00:59:23
Speaker
the fuck just happened on that thing? But yeah, it just becomes one of those like... and that happened today kind of thing so yeah at first i i was putting it up as another injury but then started talking about the face mask and then you got to looking and he's sitting there going like this with his face with his thumb it's like what right and they they kind of said like before he goes off they're like oh like he's giving his helmet away i'm like oh god did he get concussed kind of thing or something but then when they show like him where they show she'd like
00:59:57
Speaker
it's always the med guy taking the helmet, like doing the like, no, like, give me your helmet kind of it's not the player being like, and what was really weird is like,
01:00:09
Speaker
anyone who's been a football player you hold your helmet by the face mask whether you're putting it on a shelf holding it in your hand swinging another you're holding it by the face man and that is one of the first times i've seen someone hold it in like you know like a hollowed out pumpkin and you're holding it in like the back and the way he handed it to the equipment manager that was where one of those where it's like the hell is going on only you didn't grab it by the face mask is if somebody was handing it to you by the face mask.
01:00:39
Speaker
So you just grabbed it by the scruff and held onto it until you could get the face mask. But yeah couldn't believe it. i i That goes down to first for me.
01:00:50
Speaker
don't think I've ever seen something like that happen. And, you know, I'm getting to the age where I've watched a lot of football. I've seen... decals fly off helmets after getting hit i've yeah jerseys ripped i've seen undershirts being torn where it looks like it's going a mile long i've seen grass in places you wouldn't think grass would be guys getting so hard the earpiece falls out of the helmet and stuff like that but cleats break i've seen cleats break shoestrings break
01:01:25
Speaker
But a helmet face mask? That's supposed to be the thing that's not supposed to break. Yeah. Just it's that, like I said, like you said, that's the final moldy.
01:01:38
Speaker
And it's also one of those, like, just burn this tape. The only thing that I got that's not a moldy or anything like that is I just have a question on why Brinson has been inactive.
01:01:51
Speaker
and especially considering like brenton cox has been out so they don't quite have the d-line depth i know wooden and and and brooks have been holding up pretty good on on the defensive line but and i understand stackhouse has been solid for what he is but You know, if it was worried about... situational.
01:02:14
Speaker
Like, that's the thing. and And that's the part where I agree with you. Like, the the easy answer is it's a numbers game. There's just not another player they're going to activate Brinson over to get all the D-tackles active.
01:02:25
Speaker
Where it gets into the little bit of hazy is it's like, okay, but if you're not going to play Stackhouse more than 15 snaps... Then it's like you're really only rotating three guys.
01:02:39
Speaker
And I know that Lucas is getting inside snaps. I know the the NASCAR package muddies that a little bit more. But in terms of like in your just like...
01:02:49
Speaker
base slash nickel standard nickel defense you've got two d tackles out there and you're really only rotating three in there stackhouse is like a goal line and certain middle of the field like third and short situations guy other than that he's just standing over there at the gatorade cooler like i'm fresh guys but he's not getting in on regular snaps and it gets into this like you said this is the like is it which one is more valuable being able to rotate four defensive tackles who are all kind of the same body build or having that one hog molly who could plug the middle but you're not using him because you don't want him to get stuck on the field if the other team goes hurry up kind of thing like i i do you know those are the hard decisions that a head coach has to make that i don't but it is one of those where you're kind of like
01:03:46
Speaker
And also because you they spent an actual draft pick on Brinson and Stackhouse was a UDFA. And I thought they both put the same tape out there during the preseason.
01:03:57
Speaker
They were both solid. They didn't really give you much else other than being that nose tackle type of guy. So it's just been weird that I've been seeing that the last weeks.
01:04:09
Speaker
Yeah, and who knows, like I said, you know, like I said, like a reference. Maybe they hope Stackhouse isn't going to fall asleep if he's actually active. and I'm sorry, that was a bad narcolepsy joke.
01:04:21
Speaker
I know he's doing well and all that, but...
01:04:25
Speaker
can't pass up the narc jokes they always hit but you know and brinson may get his first action this week you know if i'm not sure what the wyatt injury or if it really is an injury but you know coon did make a note of it that he did leave the game at one point and was seen talking to the trainer you he he made a point to bring that up to wayne and rock on the uh apparently on the radio broadcast that Yeah. I'm not sure when it happened, but he Kuhn was very adamant that he was on the bench talking to a trainer.
01:04:55
Speaker
Not sure if he went to the blue tent, but he didn't go back into the game apparently after Kuhn made that point. So not great there because Wyatt's been off to a really good start to the season.
01:05:06
Speaker
But, you know, maybe Brinson gets to see the field this week. But back to what I was saying, like, I think the helmet breaking is just another symbol of how you want to keep talking about the helmet breaking. It's just another sign of how stupid of a game this was.
01:05:23
Speaker
And honestly, like I said, I would be saying to burn the tape, whether you want this game or not, because this, and we both said it like, like there were times where I said, if the Packers win, don't be surprised if this is like the nine, nothing win against the jets in 2010. And it almost was there at certain points.
01:05:41
Speaker
And this is one of those where you lost and I'm like, I don't know what you take from a, in terms of like a, other than a like, don't do this stupid shit anymore from this game.
01:05:53
Speaker
I definitely don't want to be Morgan this week. But even if you had won this game, I would just say, let's dust our hands of that and never speak of it again kind of thing. And you still had enough stuff that like there's still enough things from the first couple weeks that you could still look to build on that it's like all the things you did wrong in this game, you wouldn't have to highlight those because it's like, let's just play 5% better and we're that much overall better kind of thing.
01:06:20
Speaker
This is one where it's like it's a comedy of error. Like I said, to the point where Jacobs definitely fumbled the ball at the end, and that wasn't even the thing that screwed you at end of the day. It was just, like I said, there was a comedy of errors that just showed like Green Bay was doomed to lose this game in the stupidest of manners.
01:06:40
Speaker
And the way you have to look at it as Packers fans is for 55 minutes of this game, they, even as sloppily as they played, they were in control of this stupid game.
01:06:51
Speaker
And even after Love threw a dumb interception on a dumb play call in a dumb scenario, he still comes out and draws a legitimate pass interference on a throw to Dobbs up the seam, runs a play action to hit Kraft to put them further into field goal position, and then has to sit there as he watches Jacobs potentially fumble the game away.
01:07:15
Speaker
And it's like, what really sucks for love is that as dumb of an interception as he threw, he went right back, showed the, like I said, the zero, you know, the, the lack of a erratic pulse on the heartbeat.
01:07:31
Speaker
And he goes and he takes his team down into what should have been game winning field goal position. And it's all for not because you get the kick blocked or in another universe, Jacobs is clearly fumbling it right to a Cleveland defender kind of thing.
01:07:45
Speaker
Like, yeah, It also makes me wonder if he's hurting a little bit after ah him trucking the the the commander's player because you saw him sliding a little bit earlier than he probably should have been sliding or ducking out of the way more than...
01:08:02
Speaker
And I've seen people question like, oh, he slid short of the sticks on that second down play. I have no problems with that. There are three Browns defenders in frames who are all leaning towards him.
01:08:14
Speaker
And I don't need him getting concussed for a first down in a game that you're up, I believe. I can't remember if they were up 3-0 or 10-0 at that point. I don't need him sacrificing his body in that scenario.
01:08:28
Speaker
And the craft caper was going to work on the next play if Morgan doesn't jump off sides. So, like, I don't have the problem with that. Like, other people are like, oh, he needs to go in there. and so'm Like, no.
01:08:41
Speaker
Like, your quarterback don't don't do that like and i see some people saying too like oh dive head first i'm like delp it's coming in head first at his head like don't do that like like the dive head first isn't treated like a normal slide and yeah you're putting yourself out there it's different in college than it is in the nfl where like Yeah, you I had no problems with that in that scenario. Like, that wasn't the play I was going to rip love over. No, and I'm not ripping him on it. You saw a little bit more of that today.
01:09:12
Speaker
I think that's more of like a, okay, Jordan, like, remember that you getting hurt fucked us last year. Like, like that's great and all for morale that you ran over a corner. But even that, like, I think he would have done that if he's on the sideline and it's one corner kind of thing. But there's two linebackers and a safety coming from depth on him there. And, like, ah I saw people moaning and groaning. I'm like, no.
01:09:35
Speaker
Like, no, that's not analogous to when he trucked Amos last week. So... It's, like I said, it's a culmination of dumb errors where it's like, you just look at it and you're like, burn the tape on this game. It's dumb.
01:09:53
Speaker
And... You just kind of, you as a fan, you just have to throw your hands up, shake your head and say, like, there's the dumb loss for the season. And you just have to count on that being their one dumb loss for the season. Hopefully.
01:10:08
Speaker
Yeah. And we did point to, like I said, this and the Arizona game were the two where it's like... This one, because it's your first road game, it's an uncommon opponent and the one that's a bad team on one side of the ball, these never work out the way that as a fan of the team going into that environment, these scenarios never work out.
01:10:30
Speaker
You're never leaving this game happy kind of thing. It's either an ugly win or a so stupid loss like the Packers took today. The Arizona game, it's the first cross-country trip for the team.
01:10:41
Speaker
Let's worry about that when we get to it. Yeah. But isn't it funny that we can spend almost an hour and 15 minutes talking about a shit game, but we, we struggle to get 45 minutes in when it's a good game.
01:10:53
Speaker
That's how these things go. You pair the apple back more when it's a rotten one. But, Yeah. As McCarthy would say, we're on to Dallas. And we appreciate you joining us. you know, all these episodes are going to be dour, sour, know, rotten to some extent. But...
01:11:12
Speaker
Oh, I'm already hearing it. I was before you jumped on. i was on TikTok and I already saw that Homer from ESPN Milwaukee or whatever saying, you can't trust Jordan Love.
01:11:45
Speaker
it's a bad decision. And also it's one where it's like, you've been getting your socks knocked off all game. You think you've got the situation you want and Delpit just makes a play. Like the other, that's one of those, it's not a great play by love, but it's also a, those guys get paid to play football too kind of thing. And,
01:12:06
Speaker
much as you want to be mad at love in that scenario, you've got to credit Delpit for feeling out the route combination and falling off and making the interception.
01:12:16
Speaker
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01:13:43
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