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Week 2 Preview: Green Bay Packers vs. Washington Commanders
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In this episode, we are previewing the Week 2 NFL matchup between the Green Bay Packers and the Washington Commanders. We'll analyze how each team matches up against one another, diving deep into key players and strategies to watch out for. We'll also discuss some intriguing over/under bets related to the game. Plus, stay tuned for a special bonus call-out that you won't want to miss!
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Game Preview: Packers vs. Commanders
00:00:01
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Today we are previewing the Packers Thursday night football faceoff for week two against the Washington Commanders.
00:00:14
Speaker
They don't watch out. I'm going to call them the Sentinels like in the replacements. I've been liking people calling them the Commies. I think that works out pretty good. but but I would have stuck with that if Dan Snyder was still their owner, but honestly, one of the worst people on this planet.
00:00:31
Speaker
But yeah, it the season has started off really well for the Packers. Obviously, the biggest question for them going into this game is some injury concerns.
00:00:42
Speaker
um um Off the bat, great radio. Of course, I don't have that pulled up. Genius. So... Let's see. So the big news today being that starting offensive linemen, Zach Tom and Aaron Banks did not practice today.
00:01:02
Speaker
um um Obviously, Tom was injured on the interception, the pick six that didn't happen. And Aaron Banks was injured on the Jacobs
Injury Management and Player Participation
00:01:15
Speaker
touchdown. And it's not one for the faint of heart if you go and watch the highlights. gets rolled up on from behind pretty good on that play.
00:01:24
Speaker
Banks did comment after the game that his removal was of precautionary move. Seeing the way his ankle torqued on that play, I think it's a little further than precautionary. I don't believe this is one of those, oh, they're being overly safe kind of thing. But, you know, we'll see.
00:01:43
Speaker
LeFleur did say that they'll play it out. They'll give them till game time decision to see if they can go. But, yeah, and he did say that they don't expect these two injuries to be long And as much as winning this game would be really important for the Packers, you don't want to turn these injuries into long-term injuries. Like that would be, know, obviously to go up 2-0 in the conference record,
00:02:10
Speaker
beat two teams that made the playoffs last season, ah the commanders being a team that made the conference championships last year. there's a lot on the table, but at the same time, it's week two.
00:02:23
Speaker
You have the mini buy coming up. The buy is in two and a half weeks at this point, and you just don't want to do anything that'll put you behind the eight ball. So in that similar vein,
00:02:37
Speaker
what's it? Nate Hobbs was a limited participant. Be really interested to see if he goes this week after, you know, I felt like he was trending towards playing against Detroit.
00:02:48
Speaker
Who knows? Maybe it was, uh, he's going to play one of these games and, you know, we'll, you know, we don't want to put him playing two games in four days in five days, which is understandable for a guy who's coming off of a, uh, knee scope.
00:03:01
Speaker
might be a little bit too ambitious. And so, you know, they're going to play it, you know, precautionary in a sense in that regard. Otherwise, Matthew Golden, after popping up as a limited participant for Monday's simulated practice, he was returned to a full participant today.
00:03:21
Speaker
Quay Walker was a DNP yesterday, but he was up to a limited participant today. i um quoted that to being like, LeFleur is walking around the building and a trainer comes up to him and says, oh, Koei was in the trainer's room today and was in the tub. And LeFleur is like, he didn't participate our imaginary practice.
00:03:45
Speaker
I know he said that, I know Golden was one of them. I can't remember who the other one was that he said that had they not had the short week, they wouldn't have never popped up on the injury report anyway.
00:03:59
Speaker
Let me try to look that up as we go. Otherwise, everyone else on the injury report is basically trending the same way. Obviously, Brendan Cox and Bo Melton being the other two guys that were injured game. So everyone who was injured and did not return to the game has been DNPs through two days.
00:04:19
Speaker
Jaden Reed would have been, quote unquote, given the day off on Monday and returned to practice on Tuesday. So that's trending in a similar way that it did last week.
00:04:30
Speaker
Everyone else, it's kind of steady as she goes. You know, Jordan was a full participant, listed full participant with the thumb. So yeah, the biggest one is, and we must all bow our heads and do a prayer for the Celtic cannon who propped up on the injury report with a ding to his right knee. So we hope that he's fine because we need him launching bombs again, you know, in the event that he is called upon.
00:04:59
Speaker
So Joe, I know that the big one is the O-line, but anything else that stands out to you from the injury report?
00:05:06
Speaker
The second two secondary ones, you know, like you were talking about with Nate Hobbs, but he also said that Bo Melton popped up there. Well, those would be two of your keystones for your secondary, your, your main starter, and then your, your key depth piece.
00:05:22
Speaker
So, you know, it's going to be interesting to see how they play that one out the offensive line. Yeah. That was going to be an interesting one too, because you've got two of your starters down.
00:05:36
Speaker
Uh, but really, i i don't think any of them are, uh, killer. I mean, it it'll be interesting see how Whelan goes. I mean, it says he was a full participant, so I, I not seeing any issues there. He might've just like hyper extended it a little bit and felt discomfort, but,
00:06:05
Speaker
Yeah, I'm hoping that maybe with Brenton being a, it's kind of interesting that Brenton Cox is dealing with a groin injury.
00:06:22
Speaker
You know, 13 year old me is making all the jokes in my head about that shit. but i'm wondering if with him not practicing if that opens maybe for baron sorrell to sorel to come back in i know it still says he's limited but he's got to be trending in the right direction here pretty quick uh other than that no big surprises i i was looking at the commanders one their punters having is on the list too so
00:06:56
Speaker
This is going to be the battle of who's punters healthier. And then Eckler is on there. And then it says Jaden Daniels is on there with the right wrist injury, but he was a full participant on Monday.
00:07:09
Speaker
I'm wondering if that'll affect him anything the game. Maybe it was just like he jammed his wrist or something and you're muted.
00:07:20
Speaker
Quinn seemed to blow it off pretty quickly in his presser today. So he kind of said like, it's nothing. We're just being extra precautionary. Yeah, of course, this is one of the more annoying things is that no one does a full transcript of everything LaFleur says in his presser.
00:07:37
Speaker
Like different people have different little snippets and stuff like that. yeah, I can't find the quote where he talks about like Golden and you're right. It was two people he listed, but I can't for the life of me remember who the second person was that he was like, no, they they they they would have been fine if it was a the full week and stuff. So we'll just see. you We'll see when it gets to Thursday. um should get full designations tomorrow.
00:08:04
Speaker
We'll see who remains on the injury report and who comes off of it. But otherwise, we'll just get into – will get into
Commanders' Defense Analysis
00:08:12
Speaker
the opponent. And as we said, that's the Washington Commanders, formerly Washington football team, formerly Washington inflammatory names. So, you know, they face the Giants and, you know, won a 21 to 6 football game and
00:08:32
Speaker
I watched, you know, I can't say I watched lot of this game. watched some of the highlights and stuff, but it almost felt like they kind of sleptwalked through it, honestly, you know, through that game. They just kind of played it like the Giants were never going to catch up to them.
00:08:50
Speaker
The one thing I will say is that the Giants were able to get some pressure. They bring, they the Giants have a similar defensive front set up to the Packers. Honestly, they're they're they're when you compare their first and second level defend or first and third level defenders it's kind of similar to the green bay where it's like the corners are nothing to write home about but the front has a bunch of guys that are like those are guys that can put heat on the quarterback obviously none of them is a micah parsons but you've got cave on thibodeau you've got brian burns guys who have a reputation for
00:09:25
Speaker
being explosive pass rushers who can bring the heat off the edge. We saw their rookie right tackle Josh Connerly have some issues. um um I believe Sam Cosme is on IR PUP right now. So they do not have their starting O-line configuration available to them.
00:09:45
Speaker
And really that's going to be where the the balance of this game is, is especially on a short week. you generally don't see teams go super extravagant with their game plan.
00:09:57
Speaker
There's two routes you can go. is can kind of go for the shock and awe route, or you can just be like, especially this early in the season, we're just going to double down on what we've really drilled in so far.
00:10:08
Speaker
Almost, don't want say completely, but almost to the point of where... Green Bay may kind of turn around and be like, we're going to approach this like we approach the Lions game to a certain extent. Just put a little more reads in for the fact that Daniels is a mobile quarterback.
00:10:26
Speaker
But otherwise, it's kind of just like... you know, Green Bay might just go back to the well and if we execute as well as we can, we should win this game. But if we doesn't, we're not going to expose, you know, any sorts of the playbook that's, you know, going to be, you know, we're on a game that might be, that's naturally expected to be sloppy because there's less preparation. It's early in the season. Guys aren't in shape and all that kind of stuff. It's like they they might just say, like, let's just kind of you know, do one of these and rerun what we did against Detroit and kind of like, let's get through these 60 minutes, try to get the win, but main thing, get out as healthy as we can and get into the mini buy. This, I think this game is going to be a real test for this defense one way or the other, because, you know, whether Jaden Daniels is throwing or running, you know, he's going to be a dual threat. I mean, I didn't watch any of the game. I'm just looking at the stats and it doesn't look like he,
00:11:23
Speaker
He didn't play great. He was 19 of 30 for two 33 with one touchdown, but he sacked three times, but he rushed 11 and for 68 yards. And then you had Ja'Cory cross game merit who ran for 10 attempts for 82 yards. And then Eckler for 26 and Nichols for 25 Debo for 19. So, i mean, they put up a heck of a rushing game there.
00:11:55
Speaker
And you wonder is how much of it is the Giants not being good or the Commanders being good. And I don't know.
00:12:08
Speaker
doesn't look like the Giants were playing very well, having only scored six points. But, know, their defense did get after them a little bit.
00:12:20
Speaker
They had some successes there. So I really think that with what the commanders can throw out there on offense, it's going to be a real test for the Packers defense.
00:12:33
Speaker
You know, when you've got to cover guys like Debo, Scary Terry. What's the other one that I'm blanking off of? Then you got old man Ertz and guys like that that uh that that can change the game quickly it's going to be interesting to see how halfley can and can game planet this quick Yeah, it's, you know, Eckler seems kind of questionable going into this game.
00:13:07
Speaker
Kroski Merritt had a really efficient day, but when you look at it, he, you know, he had the 10 rushes for 82 yards, but 42 of them came on one play. So it does kind of bring into, like, it does sort of reframe that production as like, okay, like, you know, he only was at just over four yards on the other rushes, but, you Like you said, it's going to be on this defense to be as disciplined as they can be.
00:13:35
Speaker
They did a lot of really good things from a gap discipline standpoint against Detroit, rallying to the football.
00:13:42
Speaker
And this is the one area where I do concern a little bit with the time of possession discrepancy between week one and week two.
00:13:53
Speaker
Just because you don't have the full week in between to like rest up from that game. And, I know it was like bigger in the first half, but it was still like an 11 plus minute discrepancy when you look at the end of the game.
00:14:05
Speaker
So I do wonder if they, you know, like one of the ones that surprised the both of us is like Will Brinson, Warren Brinson wasn't active for the game. Does he get called up, especially with, you know, with Cox out?
00:14:18
Speaker
Or do they just activate Sorrel? know, do they... Do they kind of look at their offensive I didn't get to finish it, but was going through their offensive personnel. It was a heavy rotation at wide receiver on offense.
00:14:37
Speaker
LaFleur has always said that he likes to get all his guys on the field. Really, the guy with the lowest number of snaps was Savion with his one off... His one offensive snap when the game mattered was the little push pass that he got on the opening drive.
00:14:51
Speaker
Otherwise, he didn't get back in the game until the final bleed out the clock drive where you he was on the field for the last two offensive snaps of the game. But I do wonder. That could have been because he's been dealing with the injury all.
00:15:03
Speaker
That could have just been testing that out. So I am curious if they look at that, and I do think Savion is the top kick returner, especially with Hobbs' injury concern. I don't think they want Nixon back there until Hobbs is fully back and fully healthy on the field.
00:15:24
Speaker
And I bring this all up in case, do they... you know, sit one of the receivers, whether if it's Reid, like it's too much within too short of a turnaround, or they're like, OK, like we've rotated so heavily.
00:15:38
Speaker
Golden's fine. So like, Malik, you take a rest today. We want to get Brinson up kind of thing and stuff. And I just bring this all up because It seems like they want to rotate heavily at defensive tackle and seeing how interior defensive linemen played, it was all about their activity and their agility and their using, leveraging their athleticism to make plays on the interior.
00:16:03
Speaker
And
00:16:05
Speaker
It worked out because Green Bay got out to the early lead, took the 10-zip lead, took the 17-3 lead. And then it was okay that they basically let Detroit bleed the clock for them.
00:16:17
Speaker
But you worry about if Washington takes the ball first and they go on a long time-consuming drive and whether they kick the field goal or a touchdown, score touchdown, if they go open the game on an eight-plus-minute drive, it's like, ugh, like,
00:16:31
Speaker
you know there was a point in sunday's game where the packers defense was for all intents and purposes on the field for like almost an hour of real time straight you know the offense got the interception possession but that was a three and out so it's kind of like you know do you like i said we're just talking about cumulative because it's so early in the season guys aren't in full football shape yet and the quick five-day turnaround, four days off, two games in five days situation. So it'll be really interesting to see how they play that out.
00:17:02
Speaker
But otherwise, like you said, you Washington wasn't super efficient on offense. I do think that Detroit's front was able to you kind of take it to them at some point.
00:17:13
Speaker
But I think that Green Bay's second-level defenders, so like Quay and – edge were are able to do a lot more to disrupt what that Washington offense wants to do they'll have to be really on top of their p's and q's with you know Debo Samuel's scoring play was a reverse just like he did in uh San Francisco when the 49ers were utilizing him in a bunch of different roles Jaden likes to break the pocket and you know that's the thing is like
00:17:43
Speaker
He he will. And he's a guy who will look to extend plays to throw. And so you've you've got to have guys with fresh legs to chase him down. And I think this could be a big game for Quay and Edge in that department where it's like you've got these two tall, rangy linebackers who are elite athletes for their position, and they're going to be tasked with corralling.
00:18:05
Speaker
Jaden to keep him in the pocket. So curious to see what the pass rush plan is. You know, Laramie Tunsil is there, but and he's healthier this year than he was last year, but he is another year older.
00:18:16
Speaker
And the Packers did have some success kind of physically him when they played him on the Texans last season. So it remains to be seen how that goes. And like I said, Josh Connerly is in his second game, his second professional game in five days.
00:18:31
Speaker
Brian Burns had his way with him. Kevon Thibodeau had some work on him as well. So expect Parsons to get a bunch of snaps over right tackle, to say the least, in this one. And um um it'll be kind of interesting to see what happens in this one because this Washington team hasn't seen the Packers, but they have played Parsons.
00:18:55
Speaker
And I believe he played both the games last year against them. So not that you can solely say like, oh, they know what to do against them. And they didn't handle him very well last season. But granted, those were two different offensive tackles and Parsons was on a different defense. So I do think it'll be really big for, if is a big game for Lucas and Rashawn to maintain the pocket, you collapse the pocket, corral the quarterback. But I do want to see them like work to get to the quarterback and not just like hold their ground. Like, you know, the playoff game against the Eagles last season where, you know, they, they contain, they hemmed Hertz into the pocket, but like didn't get close to him very often. So, I know Daniels is a much more slippery and like faster player, but at the same time, like you can't let him just stand back there because scary Terry, the, the ancient version of Zach Ertz, those are all guys who know how
Comparing Team Dynamics: Young Packers vs. Veteran Commanders
00:19:51
Speaker
to uncover. And, um, And,
00:19:53
Speaker
I do kind of expect a similar scheme where Halfley is going to keep the lid on the defense and make Daniels be perfect to get the ball down the field.
00:20:05
Speaker
But the the commanders have more reliable weapons to do so, in my opinion, you between Debo, McLaurin and Ertz as opposed to like...
00:20:22
Speaker
Aminra, St. Brown, and Laporta, who had been coming off of a down season. So we'll see how the Packers choose to match up in this game.
00:20:31
Speaker
For sure. the defensive side of things, offensive side of things for the Packers and defense the commanders, the one thing that I can't remember who brought it up. Was it Wes Hodkowitz?
00:20:46
Speaker
that the Packers are going to be going in as like one of the youngest teams in the NFL. We are the youngest and they're the oldest and it's like the older it's like more than a four year age gap average. Yeah, they average like 28 point something and the Packers average like 24 point something.
00:21:04
Speaker
And when you look at this defense, you can you can kind of tell it because it's like a we've said this last year where these are like blasts from the past names you know Bobby Wagner Dorrance Armstrong Jr Vaughn Miller Eddie Goldman Javon Kinlaw Marshawn Lattimore you know these guys will have yeah I would have loved them in in their prime at it you know this is like building a Madden team right here
00:21:41
Speaker
It's going to be interesting to see how young Packers can take on some of these wily vets over there and whether they can hang or not.
00:21:53
Speaker
So it'll be interesting to see that and hopefully continue, you know, stack successes, continue to build on what they did, open up maybe the playbook a little bit more. I know it's hard to do on a short week, but Let's see a little bit more from Matthew Golden. Let's see a little bit more from, you know, Dobbs and all that stuff and your tight ends.
00:22:18
Speaker
You know, maybe this will be the week that Musgraves will actually stay on his feet after he catches a ball. I was going to say, and to build off of what you're saying, I do think that this is the week where you're kind of like, you want to see them go to that 12 personnel because, you know, the the the linebackers you listed, it's, it's, what is Luvu?
00:22:44
Speaker
Yeah, so these are a bunch of older guys, basically. You know, Luvu is like the young guy at 28, and then you have like Von Miller and his surgically repaired knee uh you know he just tore his acl like a couple years ago kind of thing and bobby wagner is more named than he is player at this point you know like he hasn't been that guy since the you know when he first left seattle because i think he left seattle went to the rams went back to seattle and now he's on the commanders and it's like he you know like
00:23:19
Speaker
Seattle was kind of like, okay, like go chase the money kind of thing. And did, was was it wasn't like super like sore about him going into division. Cause they were like, yeah, we kind of know the writings on the wall and they brought him back last season. Cause it was like, okay, we're, they were really short linebackers and for the vibes we'll bring him back stuff. And so,
00:23:37
Speaker
really want to see Kraft, Musgrave, like you said, and those guys work the middle of the field because I do think that, you know, they had success getting behind like a Jack Campbell and Anzalone who are, you know, more athletic guys than any of these guys are at their stages of their career. And If they had success out-athleting those Lions linebackers, you expect and hope to see the same going into this Commanders game.
00:24:08
Speaker
And the good thing is that Like you said, it's a veteran defensive front, but none of these guys are pass rushers. They are historically better run defenders than they are pass rushers.
00:24:23
Speaker
Wise had some solid years as a pass rusher in New England. But let's see, you know, he's in, he's 31 already.
00:24:34
Speaker
his best sack season was seven and a half back in 2022. So, you know, it's been a bit. And then Armstrong's best years with the Cowboys, you know, he was always like a third fiddle. And, you know, he had eight and a half a couple of years ago, but that was as like a third, you know, he was playing like,
00:24:50
Speaker
He was the pecking order that like Lucas was behind Parsons kind of thing. So it's like, you know, there is no Parsons to lead this pass rush kind of thing. You know, Vaughn's not that guy anymore and stuff. So the expectation that I have going through this game is that Green Bay should be able to Even with a you potentially ham due to the Tom injuries and stuff, they should be able to pass protect well enough to make moves in the pass game like...
Packers' Strategic Approach and Game Management
00:25:20
Speaker
I don't expect that if Tom misses the game, they'll have immense issues protecting Love because these just aren't guys that are going to win instantly off the edge. These are guys that are more power or technician rushers. So especially if they're able to get the ground game going, you know, and the guy you got to block there is Daman Payne. You know, he's still a good active interior run defender.
00:25:46
Speaker
they're able to control him on the ground, they should be able to get some movement up front. These Thursday night games, two games and five nights, you want to get in, get up early, buy a couple scores if you can, and then just shorten the game as fast as possible. And that's honestly what LaFleur has always tried to do. I know that one of the things that we brought up in our season outlook episode is, can he really...
00:26:16
Speaker
adhere to his own all gas no brakes you know mantra but this is one of those games where it's like if you can get a 10 point lead at any point in this game bleed just squeeze the clock out on this one because the literal only way you can like i said You would love to go 2-0 on the season, 2-0 in the conference, 1-0 in the division. you Really establish yourself.
00:26:39
Speaker
But the only way you can truly lose this game is if you just get depleted by injuries due to soft tissue injuries, due to fatigue and lack of proper conditioning, you all that kind of stuff. So you've really just got to manage this game properly and you be really smart about how you handle the situation here. Obviously, yeah, and I'm not saying like if you have a chance to pick one or the other, you're not going to pick.
00:27:03
Speaker
You're going to pick to try and win the game. But like that LeFleur is not going to shy away from just taking the air out of the ball if he gets up. Even if he's only up a touchdown late in the game, may just be like, let's just, you know, run it a few times and see what happens kind of thing. And I do think that this is a game where they should be able to get Jacobs going a little better than against the Lions.
00:27:26
Speaker
And hopefully rotate in a bunch, you know, the three different running backs just to add that little flair to it that they're not expecting continuously to push Jacobs. You want to throw in Wilson with his speed and Brooks with his pile driving or bulldozing or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, I mean, this should be a good game.
00:27:50
Speaker
I got to thinking about this tonight that
00:27:53
Speaker
It used to be when I my old work schedule is I had Thursdays and Fridays off. So Thursdays were the games that I could watch. Well, now I work on Thursdays and I have the weekends off. So I have to find a way to figure watch the game at work because they have video on Amazon blocked on our computers.
00:28:13
Speaker
So can't. ah Yeah, I can't. I can't. watch the uh watch it on prime so i have to figure a way around it but uh yeah i mean it's never ideal to play this short a week i was also just thinking you know they should instead of making it the thursday night game make it like the friday night game that way you just have that one extra one extra day.
Challenges of a Short Week and Scheduling Concerns
00:28:42
Speaker
I understand a little bit why they didn't just because of the whole high school football is usually played on the Friday nights and whatever. But if college is starting to move to Friday night games, I don't see why the pros couldn't either.
00:28:57
Speaker
But it is what it is. That's what they want to do. They think it's a moneymaker, whatever. But this is a good matchup.
00:29:07
Speaker
I don't know how the stands are going to be because this is a gold package game and it's on a Thursday night. So who's going to travel from Milwaukee Green Bay for a Thursday night game?
00:29:18
Speaker
it It's really interesting for that because... It's a gold package game on Thursday night, and they're wearing their whiteout uniforms.
00:29:32
Speaker
So there's three things right there going against the Packers because it just, that's a weird combination for them. But yeah, I mean, I think we've covered it pretty good.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yeah, and like I said, this is a... I know we get caught saying this often, but this is such a meat and potatoes game where it's just like... control the line of scrimmage and just win this game in the trenches.
00:30:01
Speaker
You know, it'd be cool if we get the fireworks and Love just comes, just is on fire like he was on Sunday. And, you know, you just get, that's how you get off to that explosive start.
00:30:11
Speaker
But I would really like to be able to get Jacobs at the ground game going on Thursday just to, like I said, I have no problems winning this game boring because Boring usually means healthier because, you know, you've got less bodies flying around. Yeah. Like said, I know I earlier said that Banks got hurt on run blocking on a play, but those are usually farther and fewer between and stuff. And yeah, like just like I said, take the air out of the ball and just continue to do what you did to Detroit, which was, you know,
00:30:43
Speaker
Not as bad as Detroit used to do to us, but they got up early with some explosive plays and then just in the second half were able to get the run game going. You know, it was a relatively modest 78 yards overall, but, you know,
00:30:59
Speaker
Jacobs was averaging like 2.1 yards per rush in the first half, and he ended the game at three and a half. And that was when Detroit knew we wanted to run the ball. So it's like you had a little more success after halftime, and let's just try to get it going a little earlier so that we can get on out of here with a win kind of thing. Like you keep pointing out, though, were also losing the time of possession game.
00:31:21
Speaker
So they weren't having extended drives and stuff like that.
Key Factors: Time of Possession and Game Outcomes
00:31:26
Speaker
It was like short, sweet drives and then, you know, turn the ball you know, whether it's a score or a punt or whatever.
00:31:34
Speaker
And so they definitely had to control the time of possession this game. Right. And because even on the long, the longest drive by plays, the 12 play opening touchdown drive, it only took five and a half minutes. And i know that generally is a lot of time, but.
00:31:54
Speaker
Detroit's first field goal drive or, yeah, their first field goal drive was the 1678 yard, nine and a half minute drive. So like, you know, it's four more plays, but they took four more minutes to score a field goal kind of thing. So, yeah, those are the kind of ones where if you can do that, score a touchdown.
00:32:15
Speaker
And that's a good way to take Daniels out of the game too, is like, especially if what's it called? If the commanders kick the ball off and you go on one of those 10-minute drives, it's like, oh, he hasn't warmed up in a long time kind of thing. and He's just been sitting there with the ball cap on.
00:32:36
Speaker
But yeah, who you got? know we kind of did it for our season prediction, but between then and now, how are you feeling about this game? I still think it's going to be a slugfest.
00:32:46
Speaker
I know... I flip-flopped back and forth during our season predictions that they were either going to lose a Detroit and win Washington or win Detroit and lose Washington.
00:33:00
Speaker
I still think it's going to be a bit of a slugfest, but with what the Packers went out and did against Detroit, I think they have a better shot at winning it. But...
00:33:12
Speaker
I can also see this being a game where, you know, everything goes wrong and the Packers just can't get anything going. shuffled O-line does fall apart and all that kind of stuff. Or the ticky-tacky injuries start, you know, like Golden, they're saying, is having, you know, it's an ankle, but he shouldn't have any issues.
00:33:32
Speaker
Okay, well, all of sudden after the first quarter, he's having an issue with it. or Whelan is having an issue with his knee because of whatever, or, you know, just using an example. I'm not saying it's anything, but I could see something like that happening because of the short week, but I feel a little bit more comfortable saying the Packers could pull the win out.
00:33:57
Speaker
I don't want to fully go out and say it's going to be a guaranteed victory just because I do think it's going to be a hard-fought battle. yeah i agree with you like if if tom and banks had made it out of the game with no injury i would be a little more like a little more adamant that they might win by even 10 points kind of thing but i think short week the just the unpredictability of how these games play know these thursday night games are always a little weird just by nature because of the short turnaround especially this one like i said that's so early in the season guys aren't in full proper conditioning
00:34:34
Speaker
you know, like Parsons still, Parsons doesn't know where to warm up. Like that was a, that was a funny little thing that he was talking about at his locker after the game where it's like, I run out on the field and the offensive line coach is looking at me like, what the hell are you doing here? Like you're over there. And he's like, well, with the Cowboys, this is where we warmed up. And they're like, you're not on a Cowboys anymore. over there and stuff. So he doesn't know the full celebrations either because that was a funny video. Yeah.
00:35:04
Speaker
He's looking at them like, is that a fadeaway basketball shot? And I love that the other defensive linemen were like, yeah, do it. He's like, a a kind of like, He's like, am I doing it right? as as it It humanizes him. It just shows that these guys are humans. It does give credence to the whole, yeah, these are people too, and they do live, you they put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us.
00:35:36
Speaker
I do have to wonder how Butkus and him get along being as if they went to two Big Ten schools. And the reason I say this is because, was it 2019 when I went up there for training camp, I always wear my Hawkeye hat.
00:35:58
Speaker
And he was walking to go to practice and said, hey, Coach Butkus, how's it going? And goes, you're wearing the wrong hat. I'm like, oh, OK.
00:36:12
Speaker
Well, in practice, he coaches against a bunch of Big Ten guys. so so So I see that we we're a little more organized this time and we have our Joe has done well to write our over and unders out. And so far on the season, Joe is running away with the over-unders. I know it's one week, but he is up one, two, three, five to three, five to two.
00:36:37
Speaker
So Joe, take us through what you got this week. So think a lot of these are going to end up being the same over the season, just because of how the Packers play.
00:36:53
Speaker
I'm tempted to change this one just by... realized, i just looking at it now, i was like, wait a minute. But over under Micah Parsons, half a sag.
00:37:03
Speaker
I think he's gonna get one.
00:37:06
Speaker
You can go to yours. I just want to look something up real quick. I think he's going to up getting it because he, you know, I guess he was lobbying for more snaps than what they were wanting to give him week one.
00:37:19
Speaker
So and with him having a little bit knowledge against the commanders and even having a little bit of knowledge of a Dan Quinn team.
00:37:30
Speaker
you know, there's a good possibility that he can come away with some... He knows some things. Not saying he, like, knows the complete playbook of the offensive... the offense runs or whatever, but he's going to know a little bit more than what the Packers do overall.
00:37:50
Speaker
So I can see him coming... I originally had it set at one just because there was a chance he'd pull, like, Rashawn Gehring at the one and a half or whatever. But think a lot of it's going to depend on, again, the snap counts he gets.
00:38:04
Speaker
Is he going to get up to 30 again? Or is he going to be, you know, are they going to limit him down to 20? Especially if Cox doesn't play, you know, they're not going to want to risk having another one of the rushers go down.
00:38:19
Speaker
So, yeah, I think I'm going to over. i think I am going say he's going to hit that one and a half mark. But since I set it at a 0.5, I think he'll go over that.
00:38:33
Speaker
So just for reference, he had 4.5 sacks against the Commanders last year. Granted, like I said, those were two different offensive tackles. But signify that he has played against Daniels, so he kind of has calibrated him in in terms of knows what to expect from like athleticism standpoint.
00:38:52
Speaker
I don't know how many snaps he played against Tunsil last year, but that was his second game back from injury. And he didn't have good... He didn't record anything against... He didn't have a sack that game, so he obviously didn't get one against Tunsil last year.
00:39:07
Speaker
But... Yeah, we'll see how. But does it say anything about his pressures or anything like that? or No, I'm just on pro football reference. So, yeah, no, I don't have the the pressure counts or anything like that.
00:39:19
Speaker
Just going off the, the like, unquote, traditional counting stats. Because I was like, i i remember he had something like four sacks against them last year. So, yeah.
00:39:29
Speaker
So I agree. I'm going to go with the over as well. I think that, and I agree. think he may end up with, two.
00:39:37
Speaker
So my next one, I got Jordan love one and a half touchdowns. Now this can be total. no, we'll go with just passing. We'll go passing.
00:39:48
Speaker
I'm going to take the under on it because I have a feeling that they're going to try to rely on the run game a little bit more. Extend Jacob's record. Well, not just extend his record, but try to extend drives a little bit more to take up more time.
00:40:07
Speaker
think there's going to be some goofy plays too, like maybe a jet sweep or something thrown in there. Although I like the initiative, maybe not a Tucker Craft end around.
00:40:18
Speaker
thought it was good, but I thought it was called at a weird time that it just was a weird setup. uh so if you're gonna do it do it a little bit different than you did against detroit but i have a feeling you're gonna see some of those just because again they're gonna want to extend drives so yeah i'm gonna go under but it's gonna be like he's gonna be like right at the one touchdown and he could since i said it is passing he could also have a rushing one too but yeah
00:40:52
Speaker
I'm going over
Spotlight on Players: Josh Jacobs and Christian Watson
00:40:52
Speaker
on this one. I just think that while I agree with you and you I've said that they want to get the rushing game going, I do think that whether he has a lot, I think he's going to have a decently long touchdown throw of this game.
00:41:03
Speaker
But I also think that he's going to have like a goal line touchdown as well. So, you know, and I have him getting three total. So we'll see. Next. And, of course, this leads right into Josh Jacobs over under 50 and a half yards.
00:41:18
Speaker
He hit 66 against Detroit, which, again, was better than the whole Detroit team had. So I'm going to say over.
00:41:30
Speaker
I think he'll at least hit the 75-yard mark. I know
00:41:40
Speaker
Oh, I think, got it right here. I'm pretty sure that the commanders held up pretty good against the run game against the giants, but this isn't the giants that they're going be playing.
00:41:54
Speaker
So I'm thinking that they're possibly going to. Tyrone Tracy only had 24 yards.
00:42:06
Speaker
Singletary had nine and Russ had 44.
00:42:10
Speaker
I'm thinking that they may, with the way Jordan Love was slinging it, they may try to concentrate a little bit more defending the pass than the run. And that'll open up things a little bit more.
00:42:25
Speaker
So yeah, I'm going to go over and he hits 75.
00:42:30
Speaker
Same thing. And I'm going a little further. think he's going to touch 100 this week. I just think that kind of like last year in week two, obviously for very different circumstances, but I think LaFleur is going to try and get that run game unlocked. And, you know, I did say on Twitter that, you know, some people were like, oh, they couldn't run the ball, you know, run blocking, blah. But no.
00:42:52
Speaker
that was a function of the fact that detroit was like we are not letting you get the we're not letting jacob start rolling you know like he did in that game in december last year where he three touchdowns uh we're gonna see if love can beat us and he did and i know that on paper uh washington has better corners but you know marshall latimore is as injury prone recently as they've got you know your husband nurse Yeah, and then Amos is a rookie and Sane Ristol is a second-year player. So, yep.
00:43:26
Speaker
So my next one, I have total for the defense over under two and a half sacks. I'll let you take this one first. I've got over.
00:43:36
Speaker
I think they're going to get to like four or five because um just how Daniels plays, you know, he's a play extender type. And, you know, he had, I think they said that he like, so he had, he was sacked 47 times last year, but I think they said like,
00:43:52
Speaker
he was sacked for an average of like two yards a sack or something like that. And it was because he like almost set a league record. They don't really keep track of this, but it felt like he must've set a record for the most like zero yard sacks, which is like drives offensive line coaches insane. But he's how they used to talk about Fran Tarkington. He'd run a mile just to get a yard.
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So I think that they're going to have a bunch. I don't know if they're necessarily going to be like massive yard losses, but I do think they're going to get a bunch of them.
00:44:27
Speaker
With the way that they can run the ball, I don't think the opportunities are going to exactly be there to gain a ton of sacks. I probably should have set the number at three and a half because I think they're going to end up with like three total. Yeah.
00:44:45
Speaker
So I'm going to take the over, but it's going to be a slight over.
00:44:50
Speaker
All right. And then my last one just kind of throw in there was a a Matthew Golden over under 20 and a half yards. I'm going to go aggressive. I think not that this is going to be his breakout game, but I think he's going to have some opportunities on Sunday. They were running a lot of switch routes, a lot of, what's it called, um um stacked formations and things like that.
00:45:13
Speaker
And he was getting open almost at will for the better portion of the game. Obviously, on paper, Lattimore, even Amos and Sane were still, they're better corners than what the Lions put out there.
00:45:25
Speaker
But I think that he might have one of the big gainers. Did Texas play Ole Miss last year? think they did.
00:45:36
Speaker
Hold on. Because Amos is Ole Miss and Golden beat Texas. So it's possible Amos knows a little bit about Golden's game. Not saying it's going to help him a ton. I'm saying that It might give a little bit for him, but
00:45:53
Speaker
I'm going to go over. I'm still hoping that like the first play of the game is going to be the bomb deep to Golden just to set the tone on things.
00:46:06
Speaker
But I'm wondering how much the ankle is going to affect anything.
00:46:12
Speaker
Yeah, I think over just because I think they're... still think they're going to spread the ball around. you know, I do think that... for most of the season, they want to operate in in this type of ball distribution where it's like no one has more than five targets. They're going to try and get the ball to like seven guys minimum per week kind of thing. And like I said, LeFleur has always stated that he likes to rotate his guys, rotate his receivers.
00:46:38
Speaker
And Golden was the second boundary to either... Dobbs or Wicks or he was like the primary boundary receiver when he was on the field. And and, you know, he started the game with Dobbs as the two receivers in 12 personnel. He was getting a lot of, you know, it wasn't like he was only out there on 11 personnel or anything like that. He was getting a lot of like the 12 and 21 personnel snaps out there. So really good sign for him going forward. And yeah, I think that and I think it's not going to just be like slightly over. I think he's going he might hit like 50, 60 yards to see this game.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's all the ones I got. Sounds good. Anything for your favorite segment this week? I do, but I think we should talk about the Christian Watson extension real quick since that's new news. So I was trying to pull up the numbers real quick. It's what, 13.6 million or something like that?
00:47:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:41
Speaker
And... it's a one-year extension. The way to think about this is 13 and a quarter. Okay. And so the way to look at this is the team is really pleased with how he's attacked his rehab.
00:47:58
Speaker
I think this gives credence to the reports that he is coming back sooner than expected. And this is a way to, know, he'll be back, but it'll also, like,
00:48:08
Speaker
this extension takes them through the like you know the the mythic 18 months post acl repair window and you know because 18 months is basically the start of the 2026 season and so that way you get to fully gauge like okay he's back this season but you know is he still slightly compromised not fully healthy know you and playing the long game here, what was the report in 2022 when LeFleur drafted Watson?
00:48:38
Speaker
Or not LeFleur, when Gutekunst drafted Watson. He was trying like heck to trade back into the first round to take Watson. And that's what I've been calling it. This is basically just exercising a fifth year option. Right, exactly. And the two benefits is one, the 2022 fifth year option for a receiver is like in the 15 and a half range. So couple million dollars savings there and Green Bay is, you know, they're not but pinching pennies, but every little bit helps at this point.
00:49:09
Speaker
And two, that deal is not fully guaranteed like the 50-year option be. So I look at this more as similar to what they did with...
00:49:23
Speaker
What's his face with love? Like you remember it was like, oh, do they do they are they going to exercise his fifth year option, blah, blah, blah. And with love, they paid him a little more, but it was not fully guaranteed like the fifth year option would be and stuff. And so I think that I wouldn't be surprised if there's like a void year attached to this thing that, you know, if everything goes well, they're going to start negotiating this offseason and that void year won't even matter because it'll just get reabsorbed into like a re-extension off of this thing and stuff. So who was it that said?
00:49:59
Speaker
somebody put it well that this also takes the pressure off watson from pushing it too hard yes try getting a new contract for the next year right so because yeah it's a good deal yeah it is good for both sides because yeah everyone's like oh this is really good for the packers but you're absolutely right that this is really good for um um this is really really good for watson too because you're you're absolutely right that
00:50:28
Speaker
You know, he's from his mind. He's like, I've got to get back as early this season as I possibly can, because I don't you know, I don't want to sign a lame duck one year deal with anybody kind of thing where, you know, this is kind of a best case for him because he's been in this system his whole career.
00:50:44
Speaker
he gets to play one more full season in it no matter what. And like, you know, he won't have to be rushing back from rehab, have a bad return for, you know, to the field this year. And then like, no one wants to give him like a full on contract. And so it's like, I got to sign a one year deal. And then I got to learn a new playbook, get used to a new quarterback, all that, all that kind of stuff. So be in a system that he's comfortable and familiar with, play with guys that he knows how he plays off of. And, know,
00:51:13
Speaker
You know know unfortunately, this likely signals that the team is kind of picking him over Dobbs. and And I see a lot of people that are like, it's final.
00:51:23
Speaker
But the way I say it is not necessarily because you're not I'm not rooting against or, you know, like I'm not trying to like steer it one way. But like if.
00:51:35
Speaker
Watson just can't get back to the guy he was before. It's like, well, you know, they may keep Dobbs longer kind of thing and stuff. And even if Watson looks good, if Wicks and or Reed, but especially if both of them falter like they did last year, it's like,
00:51:53
Speaker
Dobbs is the one and like I said, the one thing that Dobbs will always have in his back pocket is he is the guy that love trusts the most like he's not the most dynamic. He's not the most athletic. He's not the most, you know, explosive, all that kind stuff.
00:52:09
Speaker
But He is the guy that when like you saw it on that third downplay break before they kick the field goal that it's like, you know, he could have waited a second more for Kraft or like he could have checked the play side combination. But it was like, no, I'm going to just put my best throw I can on Dobbs and live with the results kind of thing and stuff. And it's those kind of moments that I know some people like, oh, you're.
00:52:32
Speaker
overblowing it you're overrating it but i'm like no like that's truly how players look at it and when you look at any sort of similar situation you know go back to like the fourth down play against kansas city a couple years ago you have like sort of the like the the two touchdowns he caught against seattle last year and stuff like that like he is the guy that Dobbs is the one that when it's a play breakdown or things like that, it's Dobbs that he turns to. So it'll give him every little chance, but
00:53:05
Speaker
for upside sake they do want watson to pan out and be healthy and obviously if golden runs away with the the wide receiver one job like i expect him to they're just gonna be like we've got golden watson's on the man we've got to extend craft and like i put it on it on derailed like I'm one of, I do think I'm the biggest Dobbs fan in his fan base.
00:53:31
Speaker
I wanted the Pacquiao to draft him from 2020, like when I was watching him at Nevada in 2020. That said, the way the team is laid out now, the way I look at it is it's Quay or it's Dobbs.
00:53:46
Speaker
And I'm taking Quay because the way he's looked, not just on Sunday, but also from that stretch on the back half of last season before he boloed his ankle, Pairing him with Cooper has the potential to be special in this defense, especially they can handcuff Halfley to a a standpipe in Lambeau and never let him leave.
00:54:07
Speaker
But I do think that, you know, and we've heard... Goot has said, like, his intent is to extend Kuei. I know that we're getting far off of, like, just Watson's extension, but just taking, like, we've talked about what it means for Watson and the team, but also taking a little bit of a higher altitude look at what this means for the rest of the roster and what decisions might be for going forward.
00:54:32
Speaker
This all, you know, there's all kinds of things that happen, you know, knock on wood. Hopefully Watson doesn't have any kind of setback, you know, or God forbid re-injure, you know, re-injure it.
00:54:44
Speaker
But this is just kind of insurance that way. If something happens during the season, let's Wicks goes out and tanks the rest the season or injure something and is going to be gone.
00:55:00
Speaker
maybe they can work something with Dobbs. Maybe they can work something with this. And this is the one drawback of the Micah Parsons trade.
00:55:10
Speaker
Now you don't have that first rounder to spend on another first round wide receiver if that would have been your plan. Nothing against it. I'm just saying that you've got to look at your your your wide receiver room and say, who are we keeping?
00:55:26
Speaker
Who can we afford to keep? and who's worth getting rid of i know there's rumors going around right now that there are teams offering stuff to green bay for dobbs i'm not sure i would want to take anything off of it and there's also the possibility the of the tag next year yeah and the other way i look at the absolute galaxy galaxy brain of it is maybe it's dobbs maybe it's wicks maybe reed probably least likely because we don't know what the hell is up with his foot or even musgrave some team might be like there's so much talent there we that might be your one of those four may be your avenue to getting a cornerback you know like
00:56:16
Speaker
Especially depending on how the Browns look right before the deadline and if you can get Watson back a couple weeks before he's supposedly trending, then it's like, hmm, do we feel so good about the depth in that room that we can trade one of those guys to the Browns for, say, a Greg Newsome kind of thing and shore up the cornerback room that way? So...
00:56:39
Speaker
Or maybe that's your way of getting a first-rounder back. Right, right. If a team comes and offers me a first-rounder for Romeo Dobbs, I'm pulling the trigger yeah yeah tomorrow. Yeah. And he's totally worth it. I mean, like you said, you know, he's been a guy that is consistent, is athletic, and I even said it on our review of the game.
00:57:05
Speaker
He looks sharper in his route running. Yeah. So but anyway, we're getting a little bit long. I'm going to play this clip here. It's about a minute long clip. And I really didn't have anything for this segment until I started watching TikTok.
00:57:21
Speaker
And I can't think of what's their podcast called. It's with Taylor LeJuan and Compton. Oh, Bussin' with the Boys or something like that. that's it. They had Ndamukong Su And they brought up the...
00:57:38
Speaker
the stomp Aaron Rodgers. So I'm going to play the clip. You did have a couple of of situations when you were in Detroit. Yeah. With the Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, with the Aaron Rodgers. Steps backwards. Yeah, that that to me is complete BS because if you go back and watch the play, I'm tussling like two or three offensive linemen. And I'm getting pushed back. i don't have eyes in the back of my head to see what he's going on and what he's doing. I'm not looking at where he's at. I just got done figuring out fighting two or three of you dudes. Hey. Hey. Look at you. Like you are in full.
00:58:11
Speaker
Now the rest of that clip is actually the one in them are busting his balls on that because it's like, and they said, it's like you stepped on a kid's toy you just stepped on it again.
00:58:24
Speaker
And that's the point. You weren't fighting anybody. You were, the play was over. You were backing up. You felt, you could tell how he felt initially Rogers leg.
00:58:39
Speaker
by just brushing it. And then he went full on and stepped on it and held there. So I love the revisionist history in his mind of, you know, oh, it was the heat of the moment type thing. And, and whatever, man, you're a dirty player. You were always a dirty player going back to college, get over yourself, admit your mistake.
00:59:05
Speaker
Don't blame anybody else but yourself. It's your own fucking fault.
00:59:11
Speaker
Like, Evan Dietrich Smith would like to argue that, yeah, it wasn't just a one-timer and an accident kind of thing, because he, too, is... had... I can't remember if he got stomped on, too, but there was another... No, wasn't it?
00:59:25
Speaker
Wasn't Dietrich, he like slammed his head into the ground. Yeah, or something like that. TJ Lang got kicked in the nuts. Yeah. So it's like you did this shit purpose. was like three or four incidents over a two three year period kind of thing. it was like it started when Detroit thought they were good in 2011. There was the big Thanksgiving game where the Packers were undefeated and they were like something in one or something in two going into that game.
00:59:52
Speaker
And yet that was the first time he lost his mind and stuff. And then it went all the way through, think the 2013 or 14 game. But yeah, you're right. Like it was one of those where it's like, no, like I do appreciate that Compton and Luan were like, bro, like, look at you. You're looking me. Well, here, I'll finish the clip. This is what they said. Like you are in full control of your body. Full control. And you feel like. show the living room or something, you might step on of your kids toys. You feel it and you like stop and turn around. You felt it and then went another one and kind of stood there and checked. Did he catch it?
01:00:24
Speaker
yeah and that's so real you let that foot sit there for a minute you let that listen to what you want to believe at the end of the day and i'm not going to sit here i got fined for it rightfully so or not those things happen like there's times where people are really intentional like we've seen some stuff from some clips of some guys where they're actually like trying to hurt people did have a couple yeah so he's not taking and uh he doesn't care for yeah he doesn't take account for it he doesn't hard and you know that he knows because he doesn't hard deny it when luon and compton are like doing the like kid toy reference and right and they were playing the clip at the time so they had it up on the screen while they were talking about it and they but i mean they were joking about it but in all seriousness that was him
01:01:16
Speaker
That was how he played. Like I said, it even went, I remember when he was coming out of college, they were talking about some of the shit that he would do and, and him having a temper and stuff like that. So the first little Nick on Rogers fully understand accident.
01:01:36
Speaker
The second one was not an accident. Yep. So shut the fuck up. And on that note, we will put a bow on this episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. We thank you for joining us tonight.
01:01:48
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01:02:31
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01:02:46
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01:02:56
Speaker
Packers lead it off against the Commanders, looking to go 2-0 and the first team in the conference to get to two wins. And it would be a pretty momentous thing. After they, you know, they they they started off 0-2 in the conference, 0-3 really in the conference last year. So this would be a really big one because, ah you know, they lost to...
01:03:14
Speaker
Right? They lost to... I don't even remember. No, they started off 1-3 in the conference because they lost to the Eagles, lost to the Vikings, beat the Cardinals, and then lost to the Lions. or And they they they were beating a bunch of AFC teams in between that. So this will be a really big turnaround for the Packers, really important for their playoff seeding, playoff chances.
01:03:35
Speaker
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