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From Notebooks to Novels: How Jaxon Schelhaas Built a Tolkien-Level Fantasy World
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Fantasy lovers, this one’s for you! Jo sits down with indie author Jaxon Schelhaas to talk worldbuilding, language creation, and the journey from handwritten notebooks to 600-page epics. Jaxon shares how Tolkien’s Silmarillion sparked his creative fire, the process behind his five-book fantasy series Lands of Ordia, and how he invented a full fictional language—complete with its own alphabet. It’s an inspiring deep-dive into creativity, consistency, and why you just need to keep writing.
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⏰ Key Moments:
- 00:20 – Tolkien shirt? Confirmed.
- 01:10 – Jaxon discovers fantasy via The Silmarillion
- 04:00 – Writing three novels in spiral notebooks at age 13
- 06:30 – How Lands of Ordia got its name and scope
- 10:50 – From Iowa forests to 600-page tomes
- 13:00 – Building lore, cities, characters—and a magic system
- 15:00 – Creating an original language (symbols and all)
- 18:00 – Writing advice for younger self: “Just keep going”
- 22:00 – How moving from Iowa to Chicago shaped his storytelling
- 26:00 – Where to find Jaxon online + future book and language plans
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:07
Speaker
Hey everyone, Joe here and today's What's Crackin' is a special one. And when I say special, I mean, I'm a big, big fan of writing. If anyone knows me, a big fan of writing. And anything that's in the fantasy land has got me completely hooked.
00:00:22
Speaker
So Jason Skalhas, welcome to have you. Thank you, thank you. i Thanks for having me on too, so I'm excited. about It's an absolute pleasure. And I'm going to ask...
00:00:33
Speaker
directly a couple of questions about the writing process, but I have to know one thing. What's on your shirt? Oh, well, this is, if like you guys can see it, this is J.R.R. Tolkien's um writing logo with the L-Vish inscription that's on the on the ring.
00:00:51
Speaker
yeah So though, you know one ring to rule them all, you know, one ring to bind them. So that's, that's basically on my shirt. Cause I was like, I might as well wear it because he's my biggest influence for fans. I was going to say, it looks just like token. I went to, sounds posh. I went to school with him.
00:01:08
Speaker
Oh, really? or Yeah, I know. Wow. me Oscar Wilde. ah That's where you were into token, but not just the rings. Yeah, so I, if you're referencing Lord the Rings, I'm assuming, right?
00:01:23
Speaker
Yes. Yes. So I actually, I mean, just to, I have also had like tattoos, like this is from the Silmarillion. So to like, you know, like add on to it, I am a huge, I would say just a Tolkien fanatic. And, you know, I've read Lord the Rings, you know, multiple bunch of times, but yeah.
00:01:42
Speaker
right now i'm kind of in the process of reading all of tolkien's books other than of the rings and the hobbit and that's kind of what i have on my ah youtube channel um it's very cool what channel can you spell the channel for you gave it to me i just wanted you to spell it now My last name is a little difficult, but my channel is J J S C H E L H A A S. So nice if you guys can get it, yeah, it's a tough As someone with a similar last name, we were always the kids in school that goes, uh, that's me.
00:02:14
Speaker
Yeah. Just, yeah, that's me. I'm the only the Jackson in class. Yeah. I'm only one here. It's fine. Yeah. That's wrong here. Yeah. So that's cool. you What made you get into token? Was it the the old animated film as a kid or is it? um So it's crazy enough. A lot of people begin with like the the radio adaptation or the films.
00:02:38
Speaker
Crazy enough, when I was a kid, maybe like 10 years old, um I was going through a bunch of um my parents' old books. And this was when I was living in Iowa. So this is like small town Iowa and going through basically at the attic with the spare books. And all a sudden I pick up this copy of the Silmarillion.
00:02:57
Speaker
And this is me at like, you know, yeah like I said, 10, 11 years old. And I'm reading through this and I'm like, wow, this is like an entire separate fictional world world that has so many characters and all the lore. And I'm like, I was just blown away.
00:03:13
Speaker
And then my parents were like, you know, that there's movies and books that are after the story. And I'm like, no way. This is incredible. that's very cool yeah You actually found it like one of the rare people who actually found it through the books. Yeah. That's amazing.
00:03:30
Speaker
Yeah. It was incredible. And I feel like i um um I'm blessed with that story because it's just like so rare. but yeah It really is. i mean Everyone else I talked to, it was either if they're really young, it's the Hobbit films with Rudy. Oh, the animated one.
00:03:47
Speaker
Yeah. rudy and like all the ands flying them this weekend Yeah, is if you if you're really young, it's those guys. Yeah, oh that that was an incredible film. The trilogy was amazing. Yeah. And if you're like my generation, it's usually the cartoon because you had an uncle who was a stoner.
00:04:04
Speaker
Yeah, that was that was great. Yeah, that cartoon was like, oh, my God, the books are better. Yeah, right. Yeah. So yeah, I was saying you're really the first person that actually said like, no, ive I found the books myself. i Yeah.
00:04:17
Speaker
Yeah. So it hooked you into it. And then that got you into like, I can do this. Yeah. And you're writing. Yeah. And like crazy enough after that, when I started reading, I didn't read through the Silmarillion the first time because I was so young.
00:04:32
Speaker
And so some of the parts kind of bored me because it's the Silmarillion. So, you know, makes sense. Yeah. There's not a movie for that. No, no. i For a reason. I don't think there ever will be.
00:04:43
Speaker
But yeah, I read through The Hobbit, read The Lord of the Rings, watched the movies, and then I actually started writing on notebooks, like spiral notebooks you know for a daily class. Really? And so I hand-written three books, I would say books, but right and ah that was kind of like the beginning of what the book that I have now called The Lens of Ordea, it was called something different back then because I was just like, kent like I just want to write the story.
00:05:12
Speaker
And, you know, looking back on it, it's terrible writing, but it's also like when I was 13 years old. So yeah, it cleans up. it And that's one of the things sometimes what would be Correale, a comedian would say, there's no such thing as unfunny joke. It's just a joke you're not strong enough to tell yet.
00:05:28
Speaker
Yeah. No such thing as a bad story. But at 13, you're doing the best you can. And now as an adult, you look back like i can fix this up. Yeah. Yeah. So lands of Ordea, what was the original title?
00:05:39
Speaker
It was actually called the lands of Zaphythia. And so one of the countries in Ordea, so Ordea is considered the continent where everything kind of centers around.
00:05:50
Speaker
One of the countries, one of the central countries is Zaphythia. And so originally I had basically the story of Zaphythia be the all encompassing story, but then I kind of expanded. I'm like, and it needs to more than just the one country. that That's ah that an amazing, mature decision as a writer. It really is. And even having the the title as a teenager is pretty intriguing.
00:06:16
Speaker
oh How did you get the title? Where did get the name? um well so um at the time i was still super obsessed with lord of the rings but like simple like okay the lord of the rings so i'm like okay you know canda that simple right something that kind of rolls off the tongue and so i was like lands of and i'm like the lands of something. And then like at the time I was like, okay, well, my main country is Zaphythia.
00:06:41
Speaker
And so it's like, it's easier for me, it was easy to pronounce. i don't know how easy it is for others, but I'm like, oh, the lands of Zaphythia. And I'm like, this sounds like epic, high fantasy, super like, you know, we're made up world. And i'm like, that's cool.
00:06:55
Speaker
It really does. It's, it's crin, you know, it's, it's really that made up world that it sounds like it belongs in the genre. It really does. Yeah. And when you're doing this, how long was the original, like the 13 year old, do you know how many, I guess you wrote it by hand in spiral. How many notebooks was this?
00:07:12
Speaker
It was three. Three full. Wait, like three the full. Yeah. I'm looking off camera like I have one right there actually. It was one of the thin ones. So it was Something like that. Yes, exactly. It was like one of those. And each of them was about 200 pages, I would say.
00:07:28
Speaker
um And so I kind of continued like the writing through high school. And then I kind of stopped. I stopped writing after high school when I was like in the first years of college because I was trying to go into digital design and like, you know, like And it it never really connected with me, I guess.
00:07:45
Speaker
And my writing kind of just, i don't know, it took a backseat for a while. And then it happens. Yeah. And then after those two years is when I slowly started getting it back up. So I'm like, I consider like one of my personal like regrets is is not.
00:08:03
Speaker
writing during that time because it was just like like i had all the ideas i just didn't write well you know sometimes you have to unlock the writing power in your head you might have all the ideas ideas in the world they're just not they're still baking though yeah absolutely i agree with that yeah and then boom when you rediscover these notebooks really like do you have any memory of at all of writing them yeah i'll actually Yeah, i do did okay yeah um there ah there there was a lot when I was writing the first one. And this was usually during the summer that I would write it because I had more time.
00:08:41
Speaker
And in true Tolkien nature, I would actually go out into the woods and basically write all my stuff because at the time when I was a kid we were in middle of nowhere Iowa and our house was also out in the middle of nowhere but it was near a really big forest and so I would go to the forest find a good stream and I would like write down some stuff and I'm like this is cool.
00:09:03
Speaker
but That is, that is so cool. yeah And what, what was your procedure from taking those notebooks to typing? I'm guessing you typed it out. yeah Um, so the procedure between those two was that I needed to actually redo the entire story. Right. So the, uh, the insane thing for me is that, um only I think the only things that are the same from the notebooks to what I have now are the names of the countries and the cities.
00:09:29
Speaker
The entire school country. land of. Yeah. yeah um Yeah. Just because like right now I have a lot of other like future books that I have planned. So I have you know outlines and stuff like that.
00:09:42
Speaker
And this original notebook story is a future book that I have. Um, just so I can go back to it. But yeah, like, like I said, like the titles, I'm like, okay, well, I gotta do something with Zephythia as the country and all of the other countries surrounding it. And that's when I started building history and lore and I started creating my own language.
00:10:02
Speaker
Um, and you know, the whole Tolkien stuff and, uh, yeah, that was token wood. And that's when I started kind of like basically starting from scratch. Um, you know, new characters, new everything.
00:10:16
Speaker
And, um, Yeah, eventually i got to a point where I was thinking of like, okay this is going be four books, but now I have five plans. So cool.
00:10:26
Speaker
going be five books in the future, obviously, because I only had the first one and I finished um the rough draft of the second this year. And then i'm working on the third right now.
00:10:37
Speaker
So it's a work of progress. Absolutely. That's amazing. And even when has never done writing before, if you can plan out your books and fantasy, especially that's, they're not small.
00:10:50
Speaker
No, no. Like, um, like I have my book, uh, here. So there's Lanzavordia and you can see it's kind of big. Yeah. They're proper weapons. Yeah. It's just like, ah, I know, right. mean but Yeah. that What's like that? What? 100, 100,000 words.
00:11:05
Speaker
ah hundred thousand words um one twenty that I forgot how many words it was. It is. This one is 600 pages though. Wow. So it's a big first book. That's what I'm saying. You're writing how many of them? Five. if Five. And so my, my second book is, it turned out rough draft 475 pages.
00:11:25
Speaker
Um, so it's a little shorter than the first, right but I'm like, Hey, if I can reach 400 pages, that's good enough for me. Absolutely. absolutely And that's when you put into perspective, you're writing like a half million words.
00:11:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. i had Just like on one draft, not even like rewriting. That's just like one draft yeah of all five of your books. Yeah. Yeah. I have like all the outlines made. So I know what happens, you know, each chapter of every book, basically. So like each chapter is already planned out. I just write everything.
00:11:58
Speaker
but It's kind of like writing a screenplay then. That's more of a beat style. Like you're doing this beat, get to this one. It's like it's a map. Yeah. Yeah. Where'd you learn that? curious.
00:12:08
Speaker
um Well, actually, um I eventually went back to school for my bachelor's degree. And one of my classes was writing screenplays and stage plays. So it does help.
00:12:20
Speaker
It honestly does help. And we've We've got people, I know Isaac Thorne and I are like the ah by the seat of our pantsers. We'll like, whoa, just keep going. yeah And then some people will get it all dialed down. I've seen one person do like an outline of a book so granular. It was basically the entire book and the outline was done.
00:12:39
Speaker
So I'm guessing you're not that granular, but you've got the mo with the beats where you know you have to go. Yes. And from this chapter, like it starts out here, it has to end here. huh Everything else you fill in.
00:12:50
Speaker
Yeah. And sometimes, sorry to interrupt. No, no. Sometimes my outlines, this actually happened in my second book. um and i i yeah i have my outline planned out i start writing i'm like okay this is really cool but then all of a sudden i have a nice cool idea that'll like totally like twist the chapter or it'll leave the chapter on the cliffhanger or what if this character does this instead and i actually have that a couple times in my in my second book that's in the rough draft and it made the story so much better and so that's why i'm not super specific on the chapters it's just like here's the broad outline of what happens whatever happens in between
00:13:29
Speaker
Who knows? Yeah, there you go. And it kind of gives you a more dynamic play way. And that's kind of like the best of both worlds, I think. Yeah. Did you ever think of something that made you change the other books? um There was a lot of changes that I made before I started outlining everything, I suppose.
00:13:47
Speaker
There was lot of times where I wanted to go back in the first book after it was published and change something. um And a lot of it was dealing with like lore and history because basically this Lands of Ordea is all about these.
00:14:02
Speaker
The main character, Jor-El, is trying to collect these gems from the immortals who crafted the land, the Lands Ordea. And these gems aren't you know like, oh, they're over here. He has to actually like travel the world and find the gems.
00:14:16
Speaker
And there was a lot of lore and history that I made for the gems. And I kept going back and forth, changing those and adding characters and then getting rid of the characters. I'm just like, this doesn't go along with like the main story or it doesn't make sense.
00:14:34
Speaker
And there's a lot of like spiritual aspect to the story too. And it's just like, well, you know, trying to, I guess, like bump people into like, okay, this is a fantasy world and there is magic, but there's a lot of like spiritual connections between the mortals of the earth and the immortals who created the land.
00:14:52
Speaker
So there was a lot of like <unk>s deep lore stuff, but. That's cool. Then this goes to my next question then. How do you keep your names and all the lore in your head? Is it, I mean, I'm guessing as a note system somehow.
00:15:06
Speaker
Yeah, there's, I mean, most of it is um in my head. um yeah But there's also like a separate, um I guess, document, I guess, that that I type up basically all the characters that I have and how they correlate to each other.
00:15:23
Speaker
um So like there's um a whole different group part of the story where it's like this big group of like a wizard, an elf, some humankind. There's also the people of the gnomes.
00:15:35
Speaker
But for the most part, this other company, this main company in the first book, they don't even bother with the gnomes, but the gnomes also have their own side of the story and they fight their own darkness.
00:15:48
Speaker
And so it does connect, but the company also you know doesn't interact with each other with the gnomes. But like the way that the company is is like, OK, well, there's this guy called Kaladel. He's the wizard. you know He's kind of like the leader.
00:16:02
Speaker
And then there's another guy called Siervin. He's an elf. And so they are like this knowledge duo. They interact with each other really well. And then there's the main character, J.R.L. and he is you know curious about Siervan he's just like hmm maybe I could get some guidance but then when Siervan leaves the group then he's then he turns to the wizard Kaladel and so it's like all these like different interactions um and so I keep this document basically like okay well this character thinks of you know this other character you know a different way than somebody else might it's a whole there's a lot of characters but I mean for the most part it's
00:16:38
Speaker
It sounds like a Bible, like ah a screenplay Bible for a Catello series. Yeah. Is that kind of where the, yeah, yeah. i was I would say so because it's a lot, I would say it's like a huge database basically for myself. as I was like, I'm interested if you ever publish that, I think that would great make a great annotated version of it. Like, oh, here's everything we said.
00:16:59
Speaker
Yeah. I love it. That would be real cool actually. Where do you get the language from? I know how Tolkien did his. Yeah. How do you do yours? Yeah, I kind of toss back and forth. It's not finished right now, but I would say it's mostly finished.
00:17:15
Speaker
um And I basically right now I'm learning a little bit of Spanish. And I also went back on some like old English words and some just more like old European style dialects and stuff. And so I'll have I have a a little notebook, basically, like actually handwritten and everything.
00:17:36
Speaker
And I'll have the English word for like an object, like a sword, basically. I'll put a sword. And then I'll put the pronunciation of you know whatever it is. And I think it's a suva or something like that.
00:17:50
Speaker
And then after the pronunciation, I have my symbols that I draw. So it's kind of like a three step progress. And so I have my own alphabet, you could say. And so the alphabets are the symbols, but they don't correlate to English. They correlate to the pronunciation that I've made for the English word, if that makes sense.
00:18:08
Speaker
And so like, no no it's oh, sorry. It makes perfect sense. and It's a lot of hard work. It is. It takes a long time. Did you ever go one day like, man, I wish I didn't. Uh, actually, no, I know I each time that I try to add, I want to say try to add because sometimes I don't have that motivation and it's like, I don't know because I got to make up words. And so it's like, it's hard, but it it's I've had to redo my language like twice because I i wasn't satisfied.
00:18:40
Speaker
um wow but, um, yeah, I think just it's work in progress, but now I got a good steady flow of it. And so I'm like, okay, well, When my eventual plan is when I publish the last book, I'm going to you know publish the entire language, kind of like the appendixes of the rings.
00:18:58
Speaker
That's the way to do it. But yeah, it's a long process for sure. what No, for for sure it's a long process, but that's the proper way of doing it. I think by book five, people are going to be hooked enough to go, i want this language.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah. that's that's the hope yeah well touch wood i know it's it's it's a decent series and a great hook especially because the creative output you're putting into it yeah the more creative you are with your world building and you took your world building seriously flushes it out for everyone else yeah and we actually inhabit this land and we know it's a strange land but we can connect to it which is i think it's a brilliant part of your writing you know Yeah, this is going to get into a it's not like a side question, but i'm I'm just curious for my own aspect of it.
00:19:46
Speaker
Have you thought about taking these out to conventions and trying to get on the convention bandwagon and seeing if we can do like Because you can do like the fantasy conventions and do people there.
00:19:57
Speaker
Yeah, because I'm actually in the suburbs of Chicago, right? Oh, yeah? C2E2, yeah. And so there's a lot of lot of fantasy conventions.
00:20:09
Speaker
that go around, especially, you know, you get like Ren Faire, you get C2E2, you know, all that ah really nerdy stuff, which is all about me. So it's it's like, oh, absolutely. absolutely um And I definitely would.
00:20:20
Speaker
It's just like sometimes ah personally for me, it's like like the financial side sometimes not there, which is why I've only been able to publish one book, um which is a bummer.
00:20:31
Speaker
But yeah One book so far and one books more than most people do. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I have been told that it's like, Hey, I haven't published a book, but you have, and I have to remind myself. I'm like, yeah, actually I did. so it's ah it's an amazing accomplishment. It really is. Now, since you're from Chicago, I've got to ask, that's when was born. I have to ask this question.
00:20:51
Speaker
ah A is dog and suds still a thing? his I'm not sure. That might have closed down. Okay. It's been it's been a while. It's been a while. Yeah. Are you a pizza eater? Do you eat pizza?
00:21:04
Speaker
yeah Yes. Oh, absolutely. Okay. Yes. Okay. The deep dish pizza. like its like yeah there you go yeah Have you tried the New York pizza? Was this kind of like flatbread of which do you like better? i I actually like the New York style.
00:21:16
Speaker
um Just, I don't know, maybe something about, I haven't had it in a while, but I haven't had it in maybe like five years. So maybe I have to go back and change my mind. Maybe. But OK, I'll give you this.
00:21:27
Speaker
One's easier to eat on the street. And it's definitely in New York. Yeah. Chicago just trips all Oh, absolutely. You can't roll up a Chicago pizza. just like no It is like the thickest pizza you could get. Yeah, it's great. It's it's an entire meal.
00:21:38
Speaker
One slice, it's the entire meal. OK, I'm good. Exactly. Yeah. Sorry. I'm like, Chicago. like I should ask this about the pizza and dog and suds. Yeah, because I'm not – If you get a chance. ah Yeah, yeah. Because I'm not originally from the sub-suburbs. Like I said, I'm from Iowa, and I moved over to the suburbs for a while. I don't think Duggan Studs even exists anymore. you You're safe over here.
00:22:01
Speaker
Yeah. So when you're moving from all these places, like the suburbs, the very small town of Iowa, to a suburb of Chicago is still like in know Chicago. Mm-hmm.
00:22:13
Speaker
Does that affect the way you see the world? and if so, does that affect the way you write? I would say absolutely. on For me, I mean, it's I think it's different for everybody.
00:22:23
Speaker
um For me, growing up in Iowa, I enjoyed kind of like the the peace and quiet, which is far from what Chicago is. Chicago is known for peace and quiet. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Crickets chirp.
00:22:35
Speaker
Yeah, I know. no yeah it's um and i i think like when i first started writing that's when i kind of got into that mental space of just like clarity and like peace and because it's like okay well i can focus on my story without all these distractions and so when i moved the suburbs um and especially when i was just living by myself i had noisy neighbors i had traffic all around like at night and day and so i'm like it it was harder for me to kind of get into the flow of things but eventually i kind of found some spots like right now i actually
00:23:09
Speaker
where We live a couple miles away from like this bike trail. And I found a couple of spots where I can basically resume what I did as a kid, find of of my favorite spot by a tree, by a stream, which I ah have, and just kind just let myself just kind of be at peace for a little bit.
00:23:25
Speaker
So that that is actually pretty amazing because I was thinking like, man, what's your writing like? You have to put like headphones on just to block out all the noise. Sometimes I do. Yeah. Yeah. but If you find that nature, Chicago can be a beautiful place, especially the suburbs.
00:23:40
Speaker
People don't know. It's not all cities. Sometimes there's actually trees and rivers and all sorts of boating things like, you know, so when you are looking back,
00:23:51
Speaker
And I do ask this of all my guests. What is your mother's maiden name? Kidding. but Don't answer that one. No, it wasn't so. yeah okay And what's your social insurance number? nope um No, it's going to be if you're looking back when you're a child, meaning anywhere to between small, small to even 13 years old when you did the notebooks, what advice now would you give people?
00:24:17
Speaker
oh um i That's good question. I would probably just say just keep writing um no matter what. if or if If you don't have motivation, if you do, um just just keep at it. Sometimes that that push by yourself um gets you that mental strength to to get you through like writer's block. I had a lot of writer's block especially.
00:24:42
Speaker
and i mean if I just like, okay, I need to finish a paragraph or i need to finish a page. It's progress. You progress is progress. And sometimes when you don't feel motivated or if I didn't feel motivated and I started writing all of a sudden that spark of creativity is just like, Oh, well actually going add a few more things. And you know, yeah I think that's like the biggest piece of advice I would say.
00:25:05
Speaker
No, it's brilliant. And you hit something on your head because a lot of people are like, Oh, writer's block. I have to stop and give up. Yeah. yeah And sometimes it's like that because they think they have to do the entire thing at once.
00:25:17
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And sometimes it's like patience is key. I feel like is. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Or like Arnold Schwarzenegger would say, what would this look like if it was simple? Yeah. all Like you just get a paragraph done.
00:25:29
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And maybe you add on, maybe you don't, but you got something writing that done. that's ah That's amazing. That's amazing advice. I think we all should take that as writers, no matter what we do. Thank you.
00:25:41
Speaker
A little bit at a time. Yeah, just keep going. Yeah. now ja ah Jason. yeah Jackson. Yeah. I can say names today. ah i swear I'm not tired.
00:25:51
Speaker
Oh no, I I'm tired 24 seven. Oh my God. Sorry. Uh, Jackson, where can we find you? Not like, not in Chicago, but we remind you like i'm in the online.
00:26:03
Speaker
Um, yeah. Um, for the most part, I post mostly on YouTube and I'm also on Instagram. instagram Um, like I said before, it's a JJ, S C H E L H A A S. And, um, yeah, so that's both Instagram and YouTube. That's kind of where I'm more active. So that's amazing. That's amazing.
00:26:26
Speaker
And if you are in the Chicago area, Jackson's got a great place. He wants to show you with a, no, I can't don't show no one your special and a fighting place. It will not be special in a lot longer.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah. Well, thank you so much. It's always a fan. I mean, I'm a fan of Tolkien. So um I always love people who create their own worlds, create their own words. Yeah. And anyone who's currently in Chicago or came from Chicago, I'm always a fan.
00:26:54
Speaker
Yeah. It's a pleasure having you. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks again, ah Jackson, for coming by. And behalf of myself and Jackson, go check him out online. Check out the YouTube. Get the book. Read it.
00:27:05
Speaker
Walk us on Instagrams. Yeah. Bye, everyone. by