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Dracula Castles, Celebrity Horror Lists & Haunted Cons: A Spooky Ride with Charles from DracTours
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Ready for a fang-tastic journey through Dracula’s homeland, Universal Monsters nostalgia, and real-life haunted events? Jo sits down with Charles Rosenay of DracTours—the original vampire vacation master—for a wild ride through horror travel, celebrity top-10 horror booklists, and convention chaos. From Romanian castles to Connecticut’s Paracon and Salem Horror Con, this ep is packed with spooky insight and behind-the-scenes tales from one of horror’s friendliest promoters.
🦇 Planning your next creepy vacation? Curious how celebrities rank their scariest flicks? This episode slaps harder than a coffin lid in a thunderstorm.
👻 More at dractours.com, ghosttour.com, and paraconn.org
📲 Link up at https://linktr.ee/Emptyhell
🧭 KEY MOMENTS:
- 00:00 – Charles’s horror book & love for Universal Monsters
- 06:40 – Vampire trivia on the tour bus!?
- 12:30 – The horror book born from celebrity “Top 10” lists
- 17:20 – Lists from Boris Karloff’s daughter, John Lennon’s sister, & more
- 18:20 – Paranormal + True Crime Con sneak peek (CT, July 12–13)
- 28:30 – How he designs vendor-first, fan-friendly cons
- 37:00 – Life tips from a decades-long horror fan’s journey
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Transcript
Introduction to Charles and Horror Experiences
00:00:08
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe here and today's guest for What's Cracking is Charles with Drak Tours and the book of top 10 horror lists. I love this. I can't wait. Charles, glad to meet you, man.
00:00:20
Charles - CTParaConn
same here so psyched to be on your show
00:00:22
Jo
ah When I saw the liner notes for your guest listing, These are things I want to do.
00:00:29
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:00:30
Jo
i want to go to direct tours. I want to get the book of time. This is all my jam right there. I see the universal, this is a universal monster Frankenstein right behind you.
00:00:39
Charles - CTParaConn
fine we got who uh hannibal if we look a little further we got the wolfman looking over
00:00:44
Jo
Wolfman.
00:00:45
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, and that's my early my early roundhouse is all the Universal Monsters.
00:00:50
Jo
I love it. I have a question because I do have the box set and I've watched it. you know, as a kid, we used to watch them on TV or the movies. Creature of the Black Lagoon.
00:01:00
Charles - CTParaConn
It's great.
00:01:01
Jo
did Did you watch that as an adult yet? Like, did you actually sit down?
Passion for Horror Movies and Dracula Tours
00:01:05
Charles - CTParaConn
Lately, um i think I showed it at a drive-in during COVID, um but before that, I hadn't watched it since I was a kid.
00:01:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:01:14
Jo
You showed it at a drive and where we're at?
00:01:16
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah In Connecticut, where I live, yeah, yeah, we we teamed up with a town that wanted to do something during COVID.
00:01:18
Jo
Connecticut? Right.
00:01:24
Charles - CTParaConn
And the drive-ins were popping up because you could have stayed in your car, you could have been safe, and was something to do.
00:01:24
Jo
Right.
00:01:30
Charles - CTParaConn
People were going crazy, you know, couldn't go to regular cinemas. And this was ah an outlet. And for me, you know, showing Ghostbusters and showing Creature from the Black Lagoon, a few Beatle movies.
00:01:37
Jo
that is
00:01:42
Charles - CTParaConn
I forgot what else. It was really from my pecking list, what I really wanted to show.
00:01:44
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:01:47
Jo
I love it. And see, Joe joe Bob Briggs, the drive-in will never die because every once in a while, COVID happens.
00:01:52
Charles - CTParaConn
but Yeah.
00:01:54
Jo
And we need to be in our our capsules amongst people. You're right. I was in Vegas when COVID was hitting and the drive-in was the only thing open.
00:02:06
Jo
I remember sitting in my car and just like going, oh my God, brings back all this nostalgia. You know this nostalgia comes watching over you a bit.
00:02:13
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:02:14
Jo
So that's ah that was a great idea. Good for you, man. Good for you.
00:02:17
Charles - CTParaConn
I'm a nostalgic guy and all the things I do really relate back to what I loved as a kid. I was a monster kid. You know, I built all the monster models. I watched all the universal films.
00:02:28
Charles - CTParaConn
My dream was to someday, you know, be in horror movies. And I fortunately have had that come true, but never thinking, never thinking that I would write a book on horror stuff.
00:02:32
Jo
Right.
00:02:35
Jo
Yet. Yeah.
00:02:39
Charles - CTParaConn
Never thinking I would ever take Dracula tours to Transylvania and Romania. What? Who would have ever?
00:02:45
Jo
That's insane.
00:02:46
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:02:47
Jo
That's insane. Okay, we have to get into this because the Dracula tours, I will say i I'm a castle nerd.
00:02:57
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:02:57
Jo
I almost bought a castle in Scotland. I got outbid by like that much. Like if you get me in a castle, Dungeons and Dragons in a castle, I'm like, I'm there. So Dracula tours. I'm like, oh my God, you're actually going?
00:03:10
Charles - CTParaConn
Every year, this is the 27th year going to Romania, visiting three of the castles.
00:03:14
Jo
Whoa.
00:03:17
Charles - CTParaConn
I mean, we go to Bran Castle, which is when, if you picture the Bram Stoker Dracula castle, that's it.
00:03:23
Jo
Wow.
00:03:25
Charles - CTParaConn
We go to the ruins, which was the actual Vlad Tepes Castle, Paneri And it's just the ultimate trip. You know, people have gone with me on these tours for many years and had the greatest time.
Exploring Global Ghost Tours
00:03:38
Charles - CTParaConn
and They said, Charles, we love this trip. Why don't we do something else similar? And I took i took that to heart.
00:03:44
Charles - CTParaConn
I did castle-related ghost tours to, ready for this, to England, Scotland, Ireland, Ireland.
00:03:48
Jo
amazing. Yeah.
00:03:52
Charles - CTParaConn
a Hungary, Israel, Cuba, Prague, eastern Eastern Germany. There's probably three or four more over the past
00:04:01
Jo
Wait a minute. Okay, so I've been to see... Last year I was in... Or this year. one One year I was in Prague. Sometime. I can't remember.
00:04:09
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:04:09
Jo
So there's a... hunt I know there's the Bone Chapel.
00:04:12
Charles - CTParaConn
Oh, it's great, right? The Asheraheim?
00:04:14
Jo
That's... Yeah, I can never say that word. as I'm glad you said it. That's an amazing... But there's haunted castle there too?
00:04:20
Charles - CTParaConn
Oh, my gosh. Well, so not far from there, you just cross over the border. Eastern Germany is Frankenstein's castle.
00:04:26
Jo
Right.
00:04:29
Jo
Oh my gosh.
00:04:30
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, it's amazing. And you get to tour the grounds and there's a I just got to tell you, I've been blessed in that all these places that I never dreamed I would go to.
00:04:40
Jo
Right.
00:04:40
Charles - CTParaConn
I've gotten to host trips to these places and bring, you know, fun. fellow fans, if for lack of a better word, people who are, you know, travel adventurers and love the horror stuff.
00:04:45
Jo
That's amazing.
00:04:51
Charles - CTParaConn
And we do it for one week. We got um a ghost tour to England coming up next July, 2026, where we'll go to the the Abbey's. We'll go to Whitby. We'll go to London and do you name it. i the chain the What's it called?
00:05:09
Charles - CTParaConn
The Tower of London we'll do.
00:05:11
Jo
The tower.
00:05:11
Charles - CTParaConn
We'll do um the all the Jack the Ripper stuff.
00:05:15
Jo
was at the Jack the Ripper tour. Yeah, that' that's amazing place right there. This is all through the same website, DrakTour?
00:05:21
Charles - CTParaConn
Dracula.com or draktour.com will get you our information.
00:05:21
Jo
DrakTours.
00:05:26
Charles - CTParaConn
There's a separate one, ghosttour.com, which only has one T. It's one word, ghosttour.com. And that's got the information on the non-Rumania trips, the Dracula, the ghost tours, the haunted shit.
00:05:32
Jo
Cool.
00:05:39
Jo
Okay, so... I am actually traveling next year somewhere. And if I am looking, i know, right? I know exactly where I'm going with that.
00:05:48
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:05:48
Jo
If I want to do the Romanian tours, I've never been, I've never been. what is this tour?
00:05:52
Charles - CTParaConn
you know
00:05:53
Jo
Walk me through it from start to finish.
Dracula Tour Details and Planning
00:05:55
Charles - CTParaConn
Well, it takes place always over Halloween. It's October 28th, departure, returning November 4th. And what it does, Joe, is we combine the legend, the lore, the the the fiction of Dracula, Bram Stoker's you know novel.
00:06:11
Charles - CTParaConn
And we follow in the footsteps of Jonathan Harker, our hero from Dracula.
00:06:15
Jo
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:06:16
Charles - CTParaConn
And we combine that with Dracula. the truth, the history, the actuality of Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler. And we put them both together and it's just the most amazing trip. For years, if you went to Romania and and you're into Dracula or Vlad, well, they had this, like you'd go for one day and maybe there'd be 10 other senior citizens who've done everything else on the planet.
00:06:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:40
Charles - CTParaConn
So they heard, okay, well, let's go see a Dracula castle and spend half a day doing some nonsense.
00:06:43
Jo
Right.
00:06:45
Charles - CTParaConn
Spend a whole week. It's a whole week of going to where Vlad was born.
00:06:50
Jo
i know
00:06:50
Charles - CTParaConn
The Snagov Monastery, which you have to cross a moat to get to it, where Vlad is buried. We do all the stuff that, you know, we follow up the um o Borgo Pass through the Carpathian Mountains to get to the places that um Jonathan Harker did in the book.
00:07:08
Charles - CTParaConn
So it's it's the ultimate. And on board the coach, we're showing horror movies. We're showing vampire films. We're doing trivia. We're making it fun for everyone. People come back. You know, I always say you go to your best restaurant, wherever it is, in Canada, in the U.S., in China, wherever it is is, one day the soup is cold.
00:07:21
Jo
Right.
00:07:26
Charles - CTParaConn
One day something's off. And, you know, you never get 100% satisfaction. I got to tell you, the people who go on this Dracula tour, 27 years to a person have had the greatest time 10 ratings always.
00:07:40
Charles - CTParaConn
And to the point that, like I mentioned earlier, hey, Charles, can we do a different tour somewhere else? We had such a great time.
00:07:45
Jo
right
00:07:46
Charles - CTParaConn
And, you know, we exchange, you would think Christmas cards, we exchange Halloween cards, and we stay in touch year after year because the trip is so... It's so fun. It's so, what it's what people would want to do.
00:07:55
Jo
i
00:07:59
Charles - CTParaConn
It's how I do my tours is what would I want in the tour if I was going as just a regular traveler.
00:08:01
Jo
Right.
00:08:06
Charles - CTParaConn
And that's what builds it around.
00:08:07
Jo
Absolutely.
00:08:08
Charles - CTParaConn
And that's, it's been very successful.
00:08:10
Jo
That is a brilliant way of doing it. And you're right. I've seen tours that should be more than a day. And then you do a day tour, you spend some time, but it's mostly traveling. Like people don't realize I spent a day tour, 12 hours. Eight of that was traveling somewhere.
00:08:26
Charles - CTParaConn
It's true. We've got it well, well planned so that, you know, we start in Bucharest, which is of course the capital, and we go to a lot of the ancient places there.
00:08:29
Jo
Yeah. Man.
00:08:34
Charles - CTParaConn
And I don't know it's still there, but there used to be a Dracula-themed restaurant. So we eat dinner there and we kind of, you know, follow a route so that the traveling is never more than a couple of hours in between.
00:08:46
Charles - CTParaConn
and And then we eventually do head back to Bucharest. But I got tell you, it's the but the stuff that you can buy on the, on the bazaars on the streets. You still see a horse and buggy coaches ride streets.
00:08:59
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:09:00
Charles - CTParaConn
It's really, you know, it's going back in time, but still loving everything that we love about, you know, vampires and Dracula and, and the third world country.
00:09:09
Jo
And there a place for Scholomance or Scholomance, depending on how you say it, Once we find it, though.
00:09:16
Charles - CTParaConn
but
00:09:16
Jo
I love how you're saying this the the Dracula and the monsters and stuff as a kid. That's what I would love to see as a kid. is' like I got the Ravenloft. I strapped him the background. I've got the monster mansion for Milton... Milton Burrell? Not Milton Burrell. Milton Burrell.
00:09:31
Charles - CTParaConn
Milton Bradley, yeah.
00:09:32
Jo
Yeah. Milton Burrell.
00:09:34
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah you
00:09:34
Jo
And I have all these things that like i and my view right now. and like Even as a kid, I would love to go. But now, as an adult, sign me up.
00:09:43
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, absolutely.
00:09:43
Jo
I'm there.
00:09:45
Charles - CTParaConn
It's the ultimate. you know there's There's horror conventions you can go to. You can pick up a book. You can go to you know this event, that event. You can watch movies. But to actually live and breathe you know that type of event, and to me, that's the ultimate.
00:09:55
Jo
see it yeah
00:10:00
Jo
that's that's exactly it like i i wasn't lying i'm not sure if this is on air before air like i almost did buy a castle in scotland because that's just my mindset like i love the atmosphere and all stuff like that but to actually see the historic areas inspired historic eras that went through it that has to be fantastic this is all draktours.com
00:10:08
Charles - CTParaConn
it chris Yeah.
Inspiration and Horror Book Project
00:10:23
Jo
Okay, I am definitely have to check this out for next year because this is something, this is like the wish list, bucket list, whatever you want to call it nowadays.
00:10:32
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah.
00:10:33
Jo
We have to travel these places and you've been doing for 27 years. What what made you was the first trip then?
00:10:37
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Well, first of all, wishlist is a good word because you got to be like 100 years old to have a bucket list as far as I'm concerned.
00:10:44
Jo
Touch wood.
00:10:44
Charles - CTParaConn
But, you know, it it was I'll tell you how it came about is I was doing Beatle tours to Liverpool, being a big Beatle fan and and somehow getting, you know, this this whole travel thing underway.
00:10:48
Jo
yeah
00:10:56
Charles - CTParaConn
And 40 years, i was I've been doing that since the. 1983.
00:11:00
Jo
Whoa, nice.
00:11:01
Charles - CTParaConn
And people said, you know, Charles, you love monsters.
00:11:01
Jo
nice
00:11:03
Charles - CTParaConn
You love the horror stuff. Can't you do something? Can't you tie in like you do your Beatle tours? This is your passion.
00:11:08
Jo
yeah
00:11:09
Charles - CTParaConn
And go, what am going to do? A trip to Transylvania. And then it was like the light bulb went off and I did a little research and I found some partners that I could tour guide with there. And they could, you know, be, I could be the host and they could be the you know, the tour operators and it just came together so perfectly.
00:11:27
Charles - CTParaConn
And 98 was the first year I went for the first 12 or 13 years that we did it. Now I run haunted houses and I do too much during Halloween.
00:11:32
Jo
yeah
00:11:35
Charles - CTParaConn
So I can't go. i go on, going to go on the summer of ghost tour to England next year, but the drag tour, you know, I don't go anymore, but I have my guy Radu who's, who's the Romanian horror guy.
00:11:48
Charles - CTParaConn
The,
00:11:48
Jo
nice
00:11:49
Charles - CTParaConn
He's a professor in history. You ask him about, you know, Romanian ah government. He knows every answer. You ask him about Bram Stoker, Dracula. How did they go up the to Besitro through the Borgo? He knows everything, and people just love this guy.
00:12:05
Jo
oh that sounds amazing and i love that it keeps everything going and you expanded that that's that's that's great when you're saying full disclosure when you said beetle is the first time i'm like which beetle horror movie like what was like there's a hammer film with a beetle in it like the hammer horror like the beetle
00:12:11
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes.
00:12:22
Charles - CTParaConn
Two separate loves, two separate worlds.
00:12:24
Jo
and i
00:12:25
Charles - CTParaConn
But if you do watch Yellow Submarine, and Frankenstein does come out and turn into John Lennon somehow. But we'll keep it up for you.
00:12:33
Jo
Oh, man, i actually had the box set for that one. That was a long time ago. So when you're doing all this, you also have the book of top 10 horror lists. What made you want to do that one?
00:12:44
Charles - CTParaConn
That happened during COVID because all the things that I i normally do, I couldn't do. I'm a DJ on weekends.
00:12:48
Jo
Right.
00:12:50
Charles - CTParaConn
I do parties. I couldn't do that. My tours, I couldn't do Beatle tours, Dracula tours. I couldn't do any of my ghost tours, anything.
00:12:54
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:12:56
Charles - CTParaConn
was really going out of my mind. And I thought, well, I'm home. um I'm, you know, isolating. I'm quarantining myself. Well, I guess all these rock stars, all these actors, all these athletes, they're home doing nothing.
00:13:11
Jo
Yeah. Right.
00:13:12
Charles - CTParaConn
So I reached out and it took a little while. And I reached out to 100 different celebrities and got this ah book together where I actually, you know, um interview and get their top 10 list, either their top 10 favorite movies,
00:13:26
Charles - CTParaConn
Favorite actors, favorite scenes, anything they came up with, I gave them carte blanche to come up with.
00:13:29
Jo
right
00:13:33
Charles - CTParaConn
um But you know what? I'm just so proud of it because it's not just lists. If someone did like 10 movies, that would be pretty boring. They gave me the list and the reason why.
00:13:43
Jo
The reason why.
00:13:44
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, Bride of Frankenstein, because when I was a kid, blah, blah, blah, such and such. and and then i put And then I wrote a bio for each of the you know actors or the or the rock stars, whatever.
00:13:55
Charles - CTParaConn
Then I found a great picture of them plus a picture of something that they picked. And the book is just, you know, I do a lot of conventions and libraries.
00:14:01
Jo
cool.
00:14:03
Charles - CTParaConn
And someone picks that up, they look through it, it's sold.
00:14:03
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:06
Charles - CTParaConn
They love it so much.
00:14:08
Jo
It sounds like an instant hit. It really does. It sounds like if you go to into a convention, it's a no-brainer.
00:14:12
Charles - CTParaConn
Right.
00:14:13
Jo
this This is like your take home. This is absolutely your take home right there.
00:14:16
Charles - CTParaConn
Who doesn't love A, who doesn't love a top 10 list? B, who doesn't love celebrity books?
00:14:19
Jo
I know.
00:14:21
Charles - CTParaConn
and And then you add our favorite element of horror to it and it's like, yeah, it's a no brainer.
00:14:22
Jo
Exactly. Right. No, it's amazing because you're right. Even if you hate the top 10, like the number one, you're still into the list because you're invested in the top 10 list itself.
00:14:34
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:14:38
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, yeah. And you know
00:14:39
Jo
Dave Letterman taught us that.
00:14:40
Charles - CTParaConn
And Letterman was my hero. And that's where I got the top 10 list from. And it's funny because, you know, yeah yeah I did ah this exhaustive index in the back.
00:14:44
Jo
so
00:14:51
Charles - CTParaConn
So if someone says, oh, wow, I'd love to know what, oh, I don't know, such and such was was their favorite thing. what their favorite monster movie, what their favorite score from a film was.
00:15:02
Jo
Really?
00:15:05
Charles - CTParaConn
they um They could just look at the name of the person, the name of the celebrity, and it's listed their favorite.
00:15:11
Jo
cool. cool
00:15:12
Charles - CTParaConn
Or they look at the name of the film and they see who picked it.
00:15:14
Jo
Right.
00:15:15
Charles - CTParaConn
Fred Schneider, the lead singer of the B-52s, said, well, Charles, I don't to my favorite movies. Can I do scariest songs in horror movies?
00:15:24
Jo
Scariest.
00:15:25
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Yeah. Scariest soundtracks and scores from film. Anyone got whatever they came up with.
00:15:31
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:15:31
Charles - CTParaConn
Love the concept. And I said, yes, you know, ah best kills in slasher movies, best, you know, female heroes in harm. You name it. And it's in the book.
00:15:42
Jo
Well, that's, ah you hit something on the key because some people go into a project going, no, you can't. And as soon as you say, no, you can't, you just killed your project.
00:15:50
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:15:50
Jo
Saying, yes, we can.
00:15:52
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:15:52
Jo
That's not what the project was in my mind, but it is now.
00:15:54
Charles - CTParaConn
More interesting. I'd love, you know, I did a similar Beatles book and someone did, ah they they had they had toured with the Beatles in America as as a journalist.
00:15:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:07
Charles - CTParaConn
So, you know, i think everyone's going to give me their favorite Beatles songs. He gave me the top 10 concerts he attended the Beatles performed at.
00:16:13
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:16:15
Charles - CTParaConn
And in this one, um you know, and was almost done with the book and and my editor and my and my publisher said, where's your list, Charles? I'm not a celebrity. go No, you've been in movies. You you count. You do these Dracula tours. You can put yourself in. So I'm the one number 101 in the book.
00:16:32
Charles - CTParaConn
And what I did, and it was really cheeky. I mean, it's, it that was, it was totally ego driven. I put ah my top 10 favorite scenes that I was in films.
00:16:44
Charles - CTParaConn
Cause I got crowbarred through the neck in one.
00:16:44
Jo
Of course.
00:16:47
Charles - CTParaConn
I got stapled to death in one. So I put them all in there. It's funny.
00:16:51
Jo
That's cool. Now, see, I like that. It's ability to poke fun and make live something that really could go somewhere.
00:16:58
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:16:59
Jo
And when you're doing this, were there any surprises on someone's list? You're like, oh, my God, I never thought this one.
00:17:06
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah That's a great question. and And I dug into my my Beatles ah scenario for this one. I asked John Lennon's sister. I'll give you two that that said they hate horror movies. So John Lennon's sister said, ah I hate horror movies. And I'm like, all right, thanks. so But leave it with me. I'll try to come up with something.
00:17:24
Charles - CTParaConn
Week goes by, month goes by. I'm ready to finish the book and I get in the mail, old school, this document, which I thought was a collegiate thesis.
00:17:32
Jo
Oh,
00:17:34
Charles - CTParaConn
It looked like a university master's paper.
00:17:36
Jo
ah wow.
00:17:37
Charles - CTParaConn
She gave me that the elements of horror in journalistic study with an emphasis on Shakespeare's horrors.
00:17:46
Jo
Oh, my God.
00:17:47
Charles - CTParaConn
It was the largest chapter in my book and the most, wow, this is brilliant. Sarah Karloff, Boris Karloff's daughter said, Charles, you know, I don't even watch my dad's movies.
00:17:56
Jo
Right. Right.
00:18:00
Charles - CTParaConn
I don't like the horror movies. I'll come up with something. And her her list, you're going to love this. Her list was 10 things that scare me. And number 10 was having to do this list in this book. Yeah.
00:18:15
Jo
Well, yeah, I'd love it. That's a lot of pressure, too. Like, you you are the the air repair.
00:18:18
Charles - CTParaConn
they have They had fun with it.
00:18:19
Jo
Yeah, no. Oh, my gosh.
00:18:22
Charles - CTParaConn
Some took it to the extreme and some just, let's go with it and see what we can come up with.
00:18:22
Jo
And that's what it should be.
00:18:27
Jo
No, it always should be fun. it Once it stops being fun, then what's the point of doing anything?
00:18:29
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:18:31
Charles - CTParaConn
Always fun, yes.
00:18:32
Jo
Yeah.
Balancing Tours, Books, and Events
00:18:33
Jo
And when you're doing this list and when you're doing the tours, if you had to pick just one, what would you do?
00:18:41
Charles - CTParaConn
Oh, gosh. I can't answer that. I'm one of these people who don't sit unless I'm in a movie with my kids watching a horror movie.
00:18:50
Jo
Right.
00:18:51
Charles - CTParaConn
I'm not sitting.
00:18:51
Jo
Oh, very cool.
00:18:52
Charles - CTParaConn
i' As we're doing this, I'm thinking as soon as we are finished, what I'm going promote next. I'm ah um ah um um a maniac promoter. So i've got this I've got this amazing event coming up July 12th and 13th in Connecticut. It's called Paracon.
00:19:08
Charles - CTParaConn
It's Connecticut's original paranormal convention.
00:19:11
Jo
very cool
00:19:12
Charles - CTParaConn
year. um And we've got Eddie Munster. Butch Patrick is coming as a guest. 30 plus paranormal and spooky and true crime guests.
00:19:23
Charles - CTParaConn
It's Paracon with two N's because of Connecticut. So www.paracon.com. The Connecticut Witch Festival is the site for this. But, you know, it won um that's all I can think about is how I'm going to get word out and get more people to come.
00:19:37
Charles - CTParaConn
When that's done, I have a witch festival taking place that I'm going to be producing in August. when that
00:19:43
Jo
Which one?
00:19:44
Charles - CTParaConn
It's the Connecticut Witch Festival where...
00:19:46
Jo
but right which Which festival?
00:19:47
Charles - CTParaConn
it whichitched It honors it honors the and pays tribute to the witches who we lost, you know who were falsely.
00:19:48
Jo
i i' I know, I'm with you.
00:19:58
Charles - CTParaConn
Connecticut had witch trials before Salem, Massachusetts.
00:20:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:02
Charles - CTParaConn
ah shame ah Shame on us.
00:20:02
Jo
That's
00:20:03
Charles - CTParaConn
It's really a horrible part of American history. But we we do a thing to you know celebrate the descendants and we try to make it respectful. And we do that in August. September, I've got ah a psychic fair.
00:20:16
Charles - CTParaConn
in in In November, I've got the Salem Paranormal and Horror Convention. I can't pick one thing because everything is my baby and I want them all to succeed and be fun.
00:20:27
Charles - CTParaConn
Because if they're fun, people will have lot of time and they'll come back and they'll want to go on Drak Tour and they'll want to go on the Ghost Tour.
00:20:29
Jo
great. Yes.
00:20:34
Charles - CTParaConn
One thing feeds the other.
00:20:35
Jo
Well, that's exactly it. If you have fun at a convention, it could be maybe you're just there as vacation. And now that's your yearly vacation.
00:20:42
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:20:45
Charles - CTParaConn
You hit it, ah especially on the Salem convention that I do in November.
00:20:46
Jo
You know?
00:20:48
Charles - CTParaConn
We do that at Salem State University, and people build their weekend around coming to the convention. They'll go to downtown Salem when it's not as insane as October.
00:20:59
Charles - CTParaConn
They'll do you know Boston.
00:20:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:00
Charles - CTParaConn
They'll try to get either a weekend in or a weekend, and that's been the ah big success one of the successes of the Salem Paracon.
00:21:08
Jo
Yeah, the Boston, there's a ferry from Boston to Salem, right? I think I remember correctly.
00:21:12
Charles - CTParaConn
Sure is. I think there's a trolley also. Yeah.
00:21:15
Jo
Is there really? Yeah, I think I only did the ferry for it. the trick i didn't know that.
00:21:19
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:21:20
Jo
That's very cool. And so your next one is actually July 12th to 13th in Connecticut.
00:21:25
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes. Yes. And um that's that's that's kind of our baby because if we we did the first paranormal convention ever in the state, um doing it for five years now.
00:21:36
Charles - CTParaConn
And we just changed locations. We're in Waterbury, Connecticut, because it's the first time we have an air an air conditioned venue.
00:21:38
Jo
Wow.
00:21:44
Charles - CTParaConn
It's been getting a little sweltering and the vendors get a little ah cranky and 75 vendors.
00:21:44
Jo
Yay.
00:21:50
Charles - CTParaConn
So I got to keep them happy.
00:21:51
Jo
Yeah. Cool. o
00:21:53
Charles - CTParaConn
75 vendors, 30 plus guests. John Zaffis, he's the godfather of the paranormal. He was the nephew of the Warrens. he's our He's our legacy special guest.
00:22:02
Jo
yeah
00:22:04
Jo
well
00:22:04
Charles - CTParaConn
And our celebrity special guest is is is Butch Patrick, you know Eddie Munster. Just happy to have him.
00:22:11
Jo
I love Boots Patrick. I mean, that's the thing. We grew up on these shows.
00:22:16
Charles - CTParaConn
Absolutely.
00:22:17
Jo
They were our babysitters.
00:22:17
Charles - CTParaConn
It's in our DNA. The Munsters, Agnes family, Frankenstein, Dracula, Boris, Bella, all that stuff.
00:22:19
Jo
Absolutely.
00:22:24
Charles - CTParaConn
That's, that's, yeah, that's my go-to.
00:22:26
Jo
And that brings a point up because we grew up on mostly bloodless
Evolution of Horror Films
00:22:31
Jo
horror. Mostly bloodless.
00:22:32
Charles - CTParaConn
Right, right, right.
00:22:33
Jo
A couple of scenes here and there, they're assumed, you know, you can kind of assume the violence or blood and then slashers came up and went like hardcore or survival core porn or, you know, we'll say that way.
00:22:38
Charles - CTParaConn
Right. Yes.
00:22:43
Charles - CTParaConn
No, no.
00:22:46
Jo
What is your sweet spot for horror? Is it the more classic I know with the Frankensteins or do you push more into the newer stuff?
00:22:56
Charles - CTParaConn
That's a great question. It's hard for me to revisit some of those. Like I tried watching the original Dracula, Bela Lugosi with my kids.
00:23:05
Jo
Right.
00:23:06
Charles - CTParaConn
And it's boring. I hate to say that because it's my, you know, it's my roots.
00:23:10
Jo
yeah
00:23:12
Charles - CTParaConn
And then what did we see recently? So we we we rewatched The Black Phone. I go, It was great. We rewatched 28 days later, you know, in anticipation of seeing 28 years later.
00:23:26
Charles - CTParaConn
So before before we see another, you know, we try to see the originations, we watch the whole Final Destination franchise before watching the new one again.
00:23:26
Jo
right
00:23:36
Charles - CTParaConn
And it's it's hard to go back to those, even though, you know, they're my, I see them as my favorite, but they're my favorite for memory reasons, for, you know, more than for going to now.
00:23:43
Jo
yeah
00:23:46
Jo
Yes.
00:23:49
Charles - CTParaConn
I'll watch Abbot Costello meet Frankenstein over and over, and that holds up, you know, but the originals are a little cranky and a little slower.
00:23:51
Jo
All day long. Yeah.
00:23:57
Charles - CTParaConn
And yeah, you got and maybe watch it at 1.5 speed it up a little
00:24:02
Jo
Yeah, and that was that's a great point. I remember showing people Alien, the original Alien, and they're like, ah what happens?
00:24:11
Charles - CTParaConn
Except for like one or two scenes, it's right. And does it hold up is the question. It holds up historically.
00:24:17
Jo
Yes, it does. And it it gets that slow burn into there.
00:24:21
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:24:21
Jo
And then we have got 28 Days Later. That was the film I was probably in film school back then. And it was the like, he recorded on a digital video? What?
00:24:32
Charles - CTParaConn
but Yeah.
00:24:33
Jo
like is And he's going to show it on the big screen? How is that even possible? Possible? Multi-million dollar franchise possible, apparently.
00:24:39
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, Danny Boyle did great with that. and
00:24:41
Jo
Amazing.
00:24:42
Charles - CTParaConn
Was that the fat first fast-running zombies, I think? And that changed...
00:24:46
Jo
the The rage. Yeah, I think so.
00:24:47
Charles - CTParaConn
Oh, Rage, Rage, right, right. And then World War Z.
00:24:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:50
Charles - CTParaConn
And then, you know, there's been so many since. But um it just, yeah, it it changed yeah changed the narrative of zombie films. And, you know, we went back, we went back.
00:25:02
Charles - CTParaConn
You know, Walking Dead was a little slower, but that was character driven.
00:25:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:25:05
Charles - CTParaConn
I don't know if so many zombies are are character driven.
00:25:07
Jo
Yes. That's the thing. We were talking... while before in a different show. Like the reason why some shows work and some don't, it's the character versus the plot driven. If you allow your characters, people will like your character and they act like characters. That's great.
00:25:22
Jo
But if you make them like little clogs in a plot line, no one cares.
00:25:25
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:27
Jo
We've seen that before.
00:25:28
Charles - CTParaConn
And not to you know go on a tangent, but I think that's why 28 Weeks Later was so weak, because he really didn't care about the character so much.
00:25:38
Jo
I just watched that as, same thing for you, I watched it preparation for the new one, and i was like, wait, why did he, what he went into where, and got a bit, how up ah because get the kiss, what who cares, and then like I just,
00:25:43
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:25:51
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. We cared about the kids, but and you know not much else. Right.
00:25:55
Jo
I started to do my taxes, honestly, i was like, doing oh my god I need to do this IRS form now.
00:25:57
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:26:01
Jo
ah yeah i So we're getting into the conventions. I see the tour. I see the book. Conventions, I have ah the ah pinky's worth of knowledge on conventions, but they seem to be scary, logistical, nightmare.
00:26:18
Jo
Blahs. What made you want to go like, I can do this?
Organizing Conventions and Lessons Learned
00:26:21
Charles - CTParaConn
So tough because I was an idiot as a kid and put on a convention because there were other conventions. And I thought, oh, I can do one. and And this wasn't, you know, a paranormal show.
00:26:28
Jo
I can.
00:26:32
Charles - CTParaConn
It was something that I did when was still in high school. And maybe I had 80 people.
00:26:36
Jo
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:26:37
Charles - CTParaConn
But then when I went to college, I put one on at the university and then I had 2000 people. What? i mean, wait, this can be something exciting.
00:26:44
Jo
ah
00:26:45
Charles - CTParaConn
And, you know, they they don't always make money. You know, if you're a big time concert promoter and you put on 50 shows a year, if 30 of them are successful, you've made money.
00:26:56
Jo
yeah
00:26:56
Charles - CTParaConn
If you're putting on two conventions or three conventions a year, And two of them don't make money. You're devastated for the year. So it's intense promotion. It's intense getting those vendors to come and making sure they're happy and they make money and they want to come back.
00:27:12
Jo
They want to come back.
00:27:13
Charles - CTParaConn
And then, you know, and then it's the guests, you know, we're flying in some guests, we're putting them hotels, we're we're, you know, we're bringing tables so they'll be able to set up on them.
00:27:18
Jo
Yeah. Right.
00:27:23
Charles - CTParaConn
um This is the first year that we yeah went a little out of the out of the box bringing in edit you know Butch Patrick, Eddie Munster, because it's always been really, really straight and purist paranormal.
00:27:36
Charles - CTParaConn
and And this year, the theme is paranormal and true crimes, which hopefully will bring in a few more people and you know giving the audience a little wider discussion.
00:27:36
Jo
Right.
00:27:45
Charles - CTParaConn
thing I don't know much about it. i don't I'm not a true crimes guy, but my partner, I have a partner who's um who we do paranormal investigations.
00:27:52
Jo
Right.
00:27:53
Charles - CTParaConn
I'm sorry, we do other stuff too. I didn't and even mention we do you know a ghost hunt every other month and find these haunted locations that are reputed to have energy and spirits and all that.
00:27:54
Jo
It's all good.
00:28:00
Jo
Cool.
00:28:04
Charles - CTParaConn
And we're the shaman and the showman. get Guess which one I am. So anyway, he's the real deal.
00:28:10
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:11
Charles - CTParaConn
He's a shaman. He's psychic. He's an empath. But he's also 40 years of criminal investigation. That's his background.
00:28:20
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:28:20
Charles - CTParaConn
Well, this made sense to do the Paranormal Convention and True Crimes and bringing it to a place where there's a lot of true crimes called Waterbury, Connecticut. And that it's, it's in as you mentioned, July 12th and 13th.
00:28:32
Jo
July 12th and Threat Thief. And what's the website again? Two Ns.
00:28:36
Charles - CTParaConn
Paracon with two N's. Paracon.org.
00:28:39
Jo
Got to work.
00:28:40
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:28:40
Jo
I love that idea. And we used to have a true crime podcast and it did really well. Short form. And it really well.
00:28:47
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:48
Jo
People love the horror true crime. It's like another adjacent thing they just kind of slide into.
00:28:53
Charles - CTParaConn
adjacent. Yeah, that's a great word when people ask why is that.
00:28:54
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:56
Charles - CTParaConn
I never think that. It's adjacent. It is horror, paranormal, ghost, ghost tour, drag tour, it's all kind of, you know, it's a nephew.
00:28:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:05
Charles - CTParaConn
It's and it's a relative, but adjacent is a great word.
00:29:08
Jo
Yeah, and I love conventions like this because you can get you can get some paranormal. You can get some true crime at like JankCon. But JankCon also has like 12 million other things going on all at once.
00:29:16
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah,
00:29:20
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah, yeah. yeah
00:29:21
Jo
And so you're to doodoo.
00:29:23
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:29:23
Jo
But when you go to like your con in July or 13th, it's focused.
00:29:29
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:29:29
Jo
This is what we're going to get. This is what we have.
00:29:32
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:29:32
Jo
This is, you know, and you don't have to worry about being drowned out by the next new video game.
00:29:37
Charles - CTParaConn
And you know what I love doing um at my shows, and I try to do whenever possible, is I'd rather have this humongous room than 100 different breakout rooms. This one of the vendors can hear the special guests talking.
00:29:47
Jo
right
00:29:51
Charles - CTParaConn
Someone can say, oh, wait, wait, this is neat jewelry. can I buy this from you? And they say, oh, wait, there's a great guest on. I'm like, here, I'll be right back. And they, you know, they're not having to go to isolated rooms and miss something that might be going on somewhere else.
00:30:07
Jo
Yes.
00:30:07
Charles - CTParaConn
That drives me nuts at conventions.
00:30:10
Jo
you I think you hit it on the head because what people who do conventions, they think the more the better. Sometimes, yeah i mean, arguably, I guess it worked for Gen Con with like a couple million dollars.
00:30:18
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes. No, no.
00:30:20
Jo
But usually, as soon as you get into isolated room, you just lost that segment of your audience who's not going to a vendor right now, who can't see the vendor right now, who's not even maybe their 20-minute walk away from the vendor right
00:30:27
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:30:33
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, it's it's crazy.
00:30:34
Jo
you know?
00:30:35
Charles - CTParaConn
ah There's been events where the vendors in one hotel and then the guests are in another. And that's insane. Every convention I do and have done 40 years on now, you have to go through the vendors before you can get to guests.
00:30:41
Jo
Why?
00:30:49
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:49
Charles - CTParaConn
You to through the vendors before there's guest speakers. Visit them first. Let them see you. I dread. I've been at shows where the convention is in one ballroom and then the vendors are on.
00:31:02
Charles - CTParaConn
The penthouse? Really? Well, no one's coming up to that.
00:31:04
Jo
No one's, yeah, they won't even know it exists.
00:31:07
Charles - CTParaConn
Nah, nah.
00:31:07
Jo
and won't even know it exists. And that's, see, that's part of the showmanship of it You see the way things should be as a show.
00:31:14
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah, I see it from every angle.
00:31:15
Jo
Because you would never, yeah.
00:31:16
Charles - CTParaConn
I see it from the vendor's angle, from the producer's angle, but from the fan's angle first and foremost.
00:31:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:23
Jo
Yeah, I mean, if you explain to people, okay, we're going watch the first 10 minutes of the movie in theater A, and then have to cross the street, get a cab, go downtown for the rest of the movie.
00:31:29
Charles - CTParaConn
Right, right.
00:31:33
Jo
Like, no, we're good.
00:31:34
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah right
00:31:36
Jo
up one or the other. I won't do it as well. you, you bit off a lot as a kid and you learn from it. What is one of the things you learned like never to do again?
00:31:45
Charles - CTParaConn
but It's really funny because the first job I ever had, and it was probably the last, I've never really had a actual job um being a self-employed promoter um and producer and and all the silly things I have as ah as a co-title there with the slashes.
00:32:01
Charles - CTParaConn
um I interned at an old movie theater that turned into a live cabaret house. And the promoter came in and borrowed from Tupay, and he did an event at a college where he got paid advance money.
00:32:10
Jo
Right. Oh.
00:32:19
Charles - CTParaConn
And he used that money to open up this theater. And I was his intern at this theater. And it was a celebrity playhouse. And he booked a laundry list of upcoming acts.
00:32:27
Jo
right
00:32:28
Charles - CTParaConn
And then the first first show was in January. And we had the largest snowstorm in history.
00:32:35
Jo
um
00:32:35
Charles - CTParaConn
And he lost his shirt. And within two weeks, he disappeared. He really left town. You know, he did one of those Midnight Express things.
00:32:45
Jo
course. Yeah.
00:32:47
Charles - CTParaConn
And so the college tried to find him and sue him. And ah people were knocking on the theater door. And I was in there, you know, scavenging old movie posters and doing whatever I could to, you know, to to make sure that this wasn't an embarrassing way.
00:32:56
Jo
right
00:32:59
Charles - CTParaConn
to But I learned what not to do. in those days. I learned that you know you have to have the financing up front. You have to make sure that your ticket sales are redeemed.
00:33:12
Charles - CTParaConn
I mean, now I put on everything you know subject to change.
00:33:13
Jo
yeah
00:33:15
Charles - CTParaConn
What if an actor can't make it because he gets a last minute role? Every convention has that. and And so there's a lot that I learned. But um it's it's it's so much of it is second nature now because it's what do I want? What would I want if I was paying my 20 bucks If I was knocking on that door and ready to come in, you know, we do an early VIP because I know there's a lot of people who want to get the best parking spot.
00:33:33
Jo
Yeah. That's right.
00:33:41
Charles - CTParaConn
They want to visit.
00:33:41
Jo
that's right
00:33:42
Charles - CTParaConn
They want to get the autographs right off the bat. They want to visit the vendors before someone else. And then they want to get a seat up front. So we do, you know, for another five or 10 bucks, we do that VIP early, early bird.
00:33:53
Charles - CTParaConn
You know, I never used to do that. I do that because realized that I'll put a few more bucks in my pocket, but more importantly, it's a service, you know, it's service.
00:34:01
Jo
Offers a good service. Yeah, you're not doing it just for the money. It's for the service.
00:34:04
Charles - CTParaConn
so Right.
00:34:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:34:05
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah i don't want people waiting in this, you know, 200 person line. And when the door comes in, all yeah, we're scanning.
00:34:09
Jo
Yeah.
00:34:11
Charles - CTParaConn
We'll get in. We'll get in. We're the 200 person. yeah Yeah. The VIP. That's one of the biggest things I've learned and added to shows.
00:34:19
Jo
that That's an amazing thing. And I love when people can learn and especially from other people's mistakes.
00:34:24
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:34:24
Jo
Like that that first guy, i'm like, oh, yeah, we've if you've ever been in entertainment at all, you know, that guy or something like, um you know, someone's mind just you know popped in.
00:34:29
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:33
Jo
You're like, oh, yeah, that that guy. That's the guy. Yeah, definitely. So I love this.
00:34:36
Charles - CTParaConn
ah won I loved him. He was a colorful, you know, a bigger than life guy. Um, he was from Cleveland and he saw that there was a theater that was taken, you know, turned into a, you know, a live house from a, from a, from an old movie house and he had the right vision, but he had some bad luck.
00:34:55
Charles - CTParaConn
And I think, you know, some people have that bad luck because they don't plan the right way. you know, um thank, thank goodness. The only really, really, um, pow, punch in the face I ever had was 2010.
00:35:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:06
Charles - CTParaConn
twenty ten I did something called Rock Con, weekend of ah of a hundred rock stars. I did it in the Meadowlands in New Jersey.
00:35:12
Jo
Really?
00:35:14
Charles - CTParaConn
And I thought, man, this is going to be the the like Comic Con is to rock and roll people. And I had a hundred different, you know, one of the Beach Boys, one of the Supremes had these really great acts.
00:35:26
Charles - CTParaConn
And i it took me eight years to recoup what I lost on that one show.
00:35:31
Jo
Oh, man.
00:35:32
Charles - CTParaConn
Because I put full page ads in USA Today and the New York Times and the Daily News and the Post and thinking the first show, if I over advertise it, well, I'll get 5,000 people. That doesn't always happen the first time.
00:35:44
Charles - CTParaConn
So, you know, when I had 2,000, that would have been great, except spent 10 times that amount. So.
00:35:50
Jo
Yeah, I mean, stuff like that happens. We can absolutely see where things were advertised well beyond the show's ability to recruit.
00:36:01
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes.
00:36:02
Jo
But that's how you learn. That's how you have to learn. And that's exactly it. And this goes back to, I've asked my guests always this question. What advice would you give the, when I say younger version, I mean like you know child to like early teen version
00:36:17
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. you um um um um um I don't know, man. i've been It's been a great trajectory. I mean, I'm so proud.
00:36:28
Charles - CTParaConn
It's like different chapters of my life. You know, my first chapter was...
00:36:31
Jo
Right. Yeah. It's
00:36:33
Charles - CTParaConn
doing all the original conventions and doing all the things I did. I published a fanzine. I did that with my parents. I was lived with my folks and my dad was, you know, he would run to the post office and mom would be the secretary.
00:36:40
Jo
cool.
00:36:45
Charles - CTParaConn
And we would, you know, if we'd send out the magazines, they would stamp it. I would address it, you know, it was a family thing. And then, you know, they passed on. I got married, have kids now, you know, in their teens and and onward.
00:36:58
Charles - CTParaConn
And that's the second stage of the life.
00:37:01
Jo
Right.
00:37:01
Charles - CTParaConn
What would I have done differently? I would have recorded somehow everything as it went. I would have logged it. I would have loved to have had a journal of what events I did that I've since forgotten.
00:37:14
Jo
Right.
00:37:14
Charles - CTParaConn
Like people I've met. I see, i i like if I come across a picture and I'm with them and how... what Wait, when did I meet Geraldo Rivera? When was I with Joan Rivers?
00:37:25
Charles - CTParaConn
Oh, yeah, it's crazy.
00:37:25
Jo
Yeah.
00:37:27
Charles - CTParaConn
That's what I regret. And it's not a business regret. It's not a commercial or, you know, something that was career oriented. It's more of a personal thing. You know, I wish I logged every movie I saw with my kids because they remember it.
00:37:37
Jo
yeah
00:37:42
Charles - CTParaConn
I don't, you know, I have to rewatch it to remember this stuff. So it's. yeah It's a whole other generation and a whole other. That's the only thing. It's it's not a regret. It's a what I wish I could have done.
00:37:52
Jo
Right.
00:37:53
Charles - CTParaConn
yeah
00:37:54
Jo
Well, I think you have it really was when we were growing up, we were too busy doing, i mean, we didn't have our little recording devices in our pockets.
00:38:04
Charles - CTParaConn
Exactly. Exactly.
00:38:06
Jo
you know and our memory like yeah we we've all seen pictures like i don't remember this at all or we misremember like weren't you there like no i wasn't there really yeah no i was at this one like and we the miss yeah that's miss memory lane which i think that's actually a title of um colton hayes's book
00:38:07
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes.
00:38:17
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Mismemoring a lot. Yeah.
00:38:25
Charles - CTParaConn
I love it.
00:38:26
Jo
Yeah, it's it's a perfect example of like how our memory kind of works. And that that's great. It doesn't always have to be business, but I think that is the greatest personal advice you can have is make some kind of documentation that you can go back and go, okay,
00:38:40
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:41
Jo
And just to direct your eyes. Well, you know what? You've been a fantastic guest. Anybody can talk about monsters, especially universal monsters and ah tours, track tours.
00:38:53
Jo
I cannot wait.
00:38:54
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:38:54
Jo
I cannot wait. And then you have the ghost tours with one T, but one T.
00:38:58
Charles - CTParaConn
Yes. Right. Yeah.
00:39:01
Jo
And then you have your July twelfth to 13th in Connecticut with two N's, paracon.org.
00:39:06
Charles - CTParaConn
Paracon with two.org, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:09
Jo
My gosh, you're busy. So where else can we find you? i mean, that's a lot of places to find you, but where else can we find you?
00:39:14
Charles - CTParaConn
My last name is R-O-S-E-N-A-Y, Roseney, Facebook, Instagram, you know, and I'll usually post all my stuff.
00:39:18
Jo
Right.
00:39:23
Charles - CTParaConn
See, what's really dumb? Okay, I'll tell you what I should have done is I should have had a one portal where you list everything, but it didn't make sense to me, to someone who's interested in coming on my Beatles tour to have to read about my horror books and my paranormal convention.
00:39:27
Jo
There we go.
00:39:40
Charles - CTParaConn
So I've done websites for each thing.
00:39:43
Jo
right
00:39:43
Charles - CTParaConn
Probably should have been, you know, CharlesRosenay.com where everyone could have seen every single thing I've done. And the best way now is to find me on Facebook by my last name, Rosenay.
00:39:54
Jo
Well, that's a brilliant way. And like that's what Facebook hopefully is going to be still there for us for that, because it's actually a brilliant way to umbrella it.
00:39:58
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:40:01
Jo
It really is.
00:40:02
Charles - CTParaConn
Yeah.
00:40:03
Jo
Well, it's been an amazing time. I thank you. And to behalf myself, Joe and Charles, we hope you had a good day.
00:40:08
Charles - CTParaConn
Thank you.
00:40:10
Jo
Remember, this is proof that drive-in will never die because damn it, Charles is here to bring it back if it doesn't.
00:40:16
Charles - CTParaConn
Thank you.
00:40:17
Jo
Thanks, everyone.
00:40:18
Charles - CTParaConn
thank you
00:40:18
Jo
Bye.