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All-Star Superman
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All-Star Superman is regarded by many as the greatest Superman story ever published, so to discuss the animated adaptation, Perry is joined by Superman expert (and his former teacher) Bernie Gerstmayr. Listen for a discussion of how the film stacks up against the comic and larger discussions about who Superman is and why he's an important character.
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Superman's Dilemma and Relationship with Lois
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Deep space. Why? Do you know what this is? It's the bottle city of Kandor. One of your enemies stole it from Krypton before it exploded. Brainiac. He used his technology to miniaturize the greatest city of my homeworld. I've been trying for years to restore the thousands of people who live there to regular size. You've found a way. No. But I have found a suitable planet for them to colonize, and I'm taking them there.
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The thing is, it's very far away. Even under normal circumstances, it would take me three weeks to fly there and back. In my current condition, it'll take longer than that. Maybe longer than I have. I don't understand. It's what I've been keeping from you. I'm dying, Lois.
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You won't die. You'll find a way out of this. We'll be together. Our children will go flying in Metropolis Park. Promise me. We can't have children. Our biology is too different. Whatever happens, we'll never have more than this. What do you always say? There's always a way. I'm sorry, Lois. The work doesn't stop just because I'm dying.
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Take your people to their new home. When you get back, I'll be right here waiting.
Influence of Superman Comics on Personal Stories
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine. And a brief little story before we get started. So back when I was in high school, my parents forced me to do a band after I'd done it in elementary and junior high school. And they said, look, do it for two years and then you can quit. And I said, OK, fine. And in the second year, we got a new teacher in and who was just literally just like less than 10 years older than me. And.
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He was really cool. And even though I wasn't too interested in band, I decided, oh, you know, I think I'll stick around. He's actually making this kind of fun now. And then one year I was at the Chicago Comic Con, walking around the floor.
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And I see my band director walk in the other direction. And then at that point I found out he was a big comic book fan and had actually really gotten me into Superman comics at that time, which I kind of fallen away from the character, other than watching like the Christopher Reeve stuff and the animated series when I was younger.
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But I kind of fallen away from the character. I never really picked up the comics, but this guy kind of got me into it. And he was really like the first person I knew in my social circus school life who had actually read comics. And because back then, for those of you who are more younger and are used to the current generation where
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you know, superheroes are cool now. Back then, you didn't really talk about it if you like superheroes. So this was a guy who was older than me, who was open about how much he likes superheroes. And that's Bernie Gerstmeyer. Bernie, how you doing? Hey, how you doing? Thanks for having me, man. It's great to have you on. It's good to see you again. So before we get started, why don't you talk a little bit about yourself and about your history with superheroes?
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Man, so that was a pretty awesome intro. I gotta say, you made me out to be like this pretty amazing person. Yeah, so I've been teaching now for, this is year 23. I've been at the same high school now since you and I met at Maine West, just outside of Chicago.
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But I have loved comics since. Honestly, I would say I was six years old. My dad took me to the hardware store with my brother when he had to go get stuff and they had a spinner rack in the corner. He'd be like, hey, go well, go go pick out a book while I'm looking for what I need. And then you pick one and we'll go from there. And then.
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I have hanging on my wall. DC Comics presents Superman and the Doom Patrol. That's the first book he ever got me. And from there, I just there's something about who Superman was and how comics were laid out that I dug. And then once we got to the death of Superman in 93, that like kind of rebooted my love for comics. And then from late high school, well, all the way now till I'm 45, I've gotten to a point where I've collected
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all but I think four comics from 1976, the month that was born. Oh wow. Are you talking about the actual issues or are you talking about like trades and digital and everything? Every single issue. Oh wow. Yeah so yeah we started, I started in 93, I moved forward and kept collecting and then I started pushing back all the way to June 1976 and now I'm pushing back through the Bronze Age into the early
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70s and late 60s. I've got a very understanding wife, a loving pair of daughters who have now shared my love for comics and all things like pop culture, superheroes, Star Wars, sci-fi, you name it. But yeah, I've got a lot of useless information in my head, according to some people. But according to my circles, I'm a fountain of knowledge.
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But so I'm happy to hang out with you, man, and talk about our movie tonight. Absolutely, yeah. And here you talk about your daughters and that you got them into comics too. It gives me hope for this one here because we're all, my wife is very understanding and I've gotten her into, she loves the movies. So when we first started dating, she didn't like the movies, but I had converted her. And so now she likes the movies too. So we're able to get this one. I think we'll be able to get her on the right path eventually.
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Nice. Yeah. Our first daughter, Belle, was named after our first date, which was Beauty and the Beast. I got a hold of the second name. And if it was a boy, it was going to be Caleb Elliott.
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for Kal-El, but we were blessed with a second girl. Lois was a little bit too much of an old lady name at the time. So we got to go with Lana. So Lana as Superman's high school girlfriend, she's now 14 and she's playing on my high school drum line, which is cool. And if I remember correctly, Smallville was actually really big at that time too. So I think, yeah. And celebrating its 20th anniversary of starting it. Crazy. Yeah.
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Well, you must be loving it right now with all the Superman stuff we got going on. I think right now we've got probably the best Superman I've seen since Christopher Reeve in Tyler Oakland on Superman and Lois. That show is so solid. And if you're out there and listening, that show, give it three episodes. The first two are really solid, but it doesn't take off, literally.
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until until that that third episode and then it just if you're a superman fan or just a lover of good storytelling in comics it's wholesome it's great it's true to the story and it's he is on point as superman so yeah yeah most of the
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The TV shows, I wait until they come out on HBO Max or Netflix and just binge them. But this one, it was so good. And I had to make sure that my VPN works so I could watch it on the CW app every week when it comes out. Nice, yeah. And that was kind of weird with pandemic. We had to kind of wait a little bit. They had a stop and go there. And they only had 13 episodes. But they're green-left for season two, man. And it's going to be great. Yeah.
The All-Star Superman Comic Series and its Challenges
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Well, today, we are talking about All-Star Superman.
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you know talking about you know great superman like this is based on what me personally at least is probably the greatest superman story ever written which is you know same title all-star superman written by Grant Morrison and drawn by Frank Whiteley. So before we jump into the movie I know we didn't really we talked before we hadn't really had a chance to really reread the comic but
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What were your memories of reading the comic when it came out or when you first read it? Well, crazy, like in true DC fashion, you've got a 12 part series that should have happened in a year and it came out over four years. So Frank Quietly has been one of my go to favorite artists.
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for years. And when he when they are signed him and Grant Morrison, I was a huge authority fan. And when they were doing that book together, they had me so right when he was dealing with Mark Miller.
00:10:27
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Yeah, he was doing, and then Grant Morrison. Oh, Grant Morrison did some Grant Morrison. I don't know that. The Later Authority, it was crazy. And Frank Quietly, he has got such a defined different look to how he approaches comic books. It's a little more bulky, like a little bit of just fuller faces and very, very much more cartooning than it is comic book art. But I love it. And you pair that with kind of the,
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cool avant-garde style of what Grant Morrison brings to the book. Really cool. And I just remember really enjoying it because it had like a really cool like silver age vibe. But brought it to the modern era and everybody was like losing their poop over it. And even though it came out like sporadically and not as consistently, I was chomping at the bit and I was so happy even when I got it in trades to finally win again.
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Yeah, it was. I had come late to quite the appreciation I first discovered him through I think it was the the Earth Two book that he did with Morrison, and then and then and then later authority and then and then New X-Men and recently on my other podcast, I mean, a few guys are doing a reread of the New X-Men stuff.
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and going back and rereading the the quietly issues one of the things that really stood out to me this time is just how kinetic his art is like it's just it's like it's like it moves on the page it's a yes brilliant and now that i'm doing art myself like i'm noticing so much i'm noticing what master he really is at it yeah is that the new x-men run i feel like that's like uh there's a big emma frost arc yeah yeah it was um it was 114 to 154 i think
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Yeah, I mean, I remember taking out those trays of the library way too often to read those over and over again. I never pulled the trigger in bottom, but man, they're so good. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're doing this whole read through now because it's the 20th anniversary and just going back through those issues and they're amazing. They're just as amazing as they were when they came out.
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but quite lee's art i've gotten a brand new appreciation for it um but but all-star superman uh the all-star books were kind of this weird thing that dc was doing back in the i think it was the early aughts when they had done um it was like this idea where these were going to be continuity free books and they were going to be done by like and the reason it was called all-star was because they were getting like these big name creators so they had morris and then quietly on superman they had um
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Frank Miller and Jim Lee on Batman and Robin, which was just bizarre and and speaking of late books, you know, 20 years later that book still hasn't been finished. Yeah. Well, funny thing is all star Batman and Robin I believe was the first one.
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Like that actually started it and then never finished. But yeah, the all-star run was a really cool idea. And if you, how up are you current with certain books like right now? I'm up to, I'm doing everything through trades now and I get mostly when they come on sale. So I'm up to, I think Bendis' second or third trade on the Superman stuff. I'm like two or three trades behind Snyder's Justice League.
00:13:48
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I finished Tom King's Batman, so I haven't read any of the Tinians. Nice. Okay. The reason I say that is I feel like the black label stuff that's in the DC universe, it's kind of like what they were trying to do with All Star in the early 2000s. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:04
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so they're now it's very much like we got rid of vertigo um but like black labels mature readers but it's not continuity but it's allowing them to tell stories they want to tell for very niche readers who love certain artists certain writers and it i think it brings more people to the table as far as fans which is yeah yeah i think it's a great agree and i've been this is something i've been wanting to see you know dc and marvel do for a long time is do more of these like
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kind of continuity-free stories. I'm not sure if Tom King's Superman one is part of that, but I had recently read that and that was really good when he goes through space. Up and away? Yes. That is, if you're listening and watching and you want to find like a Superman or Maxi series with like the most heart you will find,
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that like defines who Superman is. That Tom King 12 parter, that is worth every penny of that trade. So like, I swear Tom King is not sponsoring this podcast, but. You should be, yeah. It would be, it was, I did get kind of some all-star Superman vibes from it, just like that. Cause like, just like all the Morrison stuff really captured that silver age stuff. It seemed like Tom King really kind of captured like more of the modern age Superman in that. Yes.
00:15:22
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Well, and I, again, I, I, I agree with you. I miss the else world's kind of mentality that, Hey, let's just tell some good stories that everybody wants to hear. Like how bananas would certain things be if we did this. It's kind of like how Marvel's what if is doing really well in Disney plus, right? Losing it because of that.
00:15:38
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I really think we need to harken back to that idea with DC and just tell good stories. And even if it was like four times a year, just bring that for the readers. Yeah. Speaking of that too, the White Knight stuff and Batman, I'm not sure if you read those yet, but those are really good too. I'm one behind. I read the original, but I got to read the curse one. I just read the curse one. It's not as good as the original. The original was brilliant, but it is still solid.
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But now, so jumping to the movie, this was, so this was actually, it was written by Dwayne McDuffie. It was the last, it came out like, I think the day after he died. Yeah, he didn't get to see the films released. That was the same thing. And for those who don't know much about Dwayne McDuffie, I mean, most of honestly, what your age to me,
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and possibly even younger, if you watched any Justice League unlimited Justice League cartoons, even some of the like maybe late Superman animated and then static shock and that kind of stuff, he did so much of the writing, the story editing, he created static, he worked for a milestone. Dwayne was an incredible like force to be reckoned with and just a kind, kind soul and we lost him too soon. And he wrote,
00:16:59
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He wrote this movie, which is so incredible. Yeah. In fact, not only static, but we had a I had a guy on who's a big milestone fan a few episodes ago, Damon Thompson. And he was we were talking about we had a discussion about Dwayne McDuffie. And if I'm not mistaken, he created like, or at least co created like almost all the milestone characters, all the original stuff. Him. And then I forget who the other creator was, but they did a very there's a really cool documentary
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about the branch off from the major like DC Marvel. And it's about image, it's about milestone. And it's really about that whole era where creators went, no, we're gonna branch off and do our own stuff. And milestone's pretty incredible. And it didn't get the kind of do that it was deserved.
00:17:44
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And I think it was way too ahead of its time as progress. But now it's getting the resurgence. DC's, you know, they're got a new milestone line of stuff coming out. They're going to be collecting the older stuff. And there's a new, I believe it's Michael B. Jordan is developing a static shock movie as well. Yeah. And I mean, basically HBO Max should just
00:18:06
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Like, just hold on tight because it seems like there's so much content coming their way, which is really exciting. Oh yeah, and I liked how they work them in into young justice too because you had icon rocket on there and I think static was on there as well wasn't it was on. Yeah, that's another great show if you're, that's, that's something everybody should check out is the old young justice all the way through the new stuff now.
00:18:25
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Yeah, yeah. Now the movie was also directed by Sam Liu, who this guy is prolific. I mean, he's like every single, I think like him and Andrea Romano, I'm a little bit suspicious of them. I think they like kill the competition because they like do everything as far as direction and voice acting, voice casting. Yeah, and it's interesting. So
00:18:48
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There's a current, so there's like a current DC, was it called DCEU? Is that the extended universe? That was the live action ones. Oh, okay. Yeah, the animated stuff, it was DC, it was like the DC original animated universe or something along those lines.
00:19:05
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Now, and then it started like this, this all-star Superman is one of the last like ones that was kind of outside of that. Like there is a run of like 14 or 15 movies that are actually supposed to be in the same universe.
Adaptation of All-Star Superman into Film
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Yeah. I think it started with a Batman and son or the son of Batman. Yeah. And then like, I know it was the flash point paradoxes in there. That's right. Yeah. The last point kind of started off then came son of Batman.
00:19:34
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The one that is the, I think the last one is, I think that was also Sam Liu and it's the- Oh, is that the Justice League Dark one, the Apocalypse one? Yes. Yeah, thank you. And I did not go in thinking I would love that movie. And I was like, I'm gonna watch the crap out of this like two more times. Cause it was solid. It was, you know, what was weird about it is like, I had held off on watching that cause everybody had been bashing it online. And then I finally got in, I saw it, I'm like, this is actually pretty good. I don't know what- It's really good.
00:20:04
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It's very rough. It's like that line is so violent. I was watching with my 17 year old and she's like, this is amazing, but really rough. But I don't think we would have gotten that line of movies without Sam Liu and Andrea pushing the envelope with things like All-Star Superman and some of the films right before it as well. So what do you think of the All-Star Superman movie?
00:20:34
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Okay, so, all right, I know you're like this, but you tend to argue with yourself, right? I think I know where you're going, yeah. So you form an opinion and then you're like, okay, no, maybe I'm wrong about that opinion. And then you're like, no, I'm gonna go back and I feel the same about this. So as I'm watching, I purposely waited to rewatch it last night. I wanted it as fresh as I could in my brain before we talked about it.
00:21:02
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There's the one thing I don't like about the movie, but I liked about the movie is that it's got this disjunctness to it. Yes, exactly. Yeah. But then, so here's where the Bernie argues with himself moment in my thinking is that the same reason that I hate the disjunctness of the film
00:21:26
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is the same reason I love it because it does match how the comic works. All Star Superman is not a running story arc. It's vignettes. And that's what I think if they sold this and did a little bit better editing job,
00:21:47
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I think if they did more fade outs, if they did some more transitional work and were more sly and clever about that, we would have understood that they are separate vignettes. When you combine them together and the way they edited this, it is jarring and confusing as all hell from a viewing standpoint if you don't know anything about this book.
00:22:10
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I felt exactly the same way rewatching it. And I didn't notice it the first time around when I had first seen it, but it jumped out to me this time around. And I'm just like, you can, if you've read the comic book, you know where all the issue breaks are in here. It's just, it's so, it is, like you said, it's so disjointed and it feels like you're watching, you're marathoning a TV show just without the intros and the credit.
00:22:36
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which is, yeah, yeah. And not like one of the long-form storytelling TV shows. I'm talking like, you know, like do an episode, like you're like watching The Simpsons or something. Oh yeah. And then just pretending they're all one jammed up story, which is so confusing. So again, like, I don't, I don't not like it because of that. But if you're going in with no history about All-Star Superman,
00:23:03
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You got to stop. So as you're listening to this and you're like, oh, I should definitely watch this. Stop. Go find a trade. Go on the DC app. Do what you got to do. Read at least five or six of the 12 and just see the style. And it's going to make you love the movie more. My brain and you and I talked about this. We knew we were not going to have time to read.
00:23:26
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I kind of just quickly skimmed a little bit of the trade. I was like, oh, okay, that's right. I had to pause the movie last night because I was getting kind of pissed. I was like, wait, what is this only now for 15 minutes? And I'm already mad after like 20 minutes. But I was upset because I loved the way they're approaching
00:23:46
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staying true to the books. Yeah. But it's just very confusing if you're not a real dig in kind of fan. I think the format really kind of works against them in that way. And part of it is because when this movie was made, they were doing, and I had done some research on this,
00:24:02
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they were airing them on Cartoon Network in like hour long blocks or something like that, or two hour long blocks. And that was one of the reasons why, like it had to fit in within this 80 minute time slot. And that really works against it because something like All-Star Superman, the best way to adapt this would really be like as like a 12 episode miniseries. And each episode you do, you just adapt one of the different issues. Yeah, I would have loved to see this. Do you remember, I think Cartoon Network was doing it, like they were like shorts,
00:24:33
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Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they were also on, I think they're also on the DC Universe app as well.
00:24:38
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Yeah, I think so. And it did a few- Oh, the CW app. That was, it was the CW app. Thank you. That's what it was. But there was like a Superman Shazam and a Superman Black Adam. They did a few shorts. And in that format, it worked really well. I would have loved to seen this as like a 15 minute episode or even 21 minute. Just do six of them. You could do six of them. They could have expanded a few of these. They could have brought in some of the stories they left out. But ultimately, if, you know, I kind of,
00:25:06
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When I do podcasts, I'm that guy that takes a ton of notes. And in my notes, it looked like ridiculous. So I had to like go in and then I had to like separate my notes out. So really essentially it's movies in five parts, maybe six if you count the epilogue towards the end. Right. And if you think of it in that, it's great.
00:25:31
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So anybody listening, when you listen to this podcast and you're gonna go, like pause it, get some food, come back, pause, like watch the next section. Yeah, yeah. And I think it really would have benefited a lot if they had had like, like you said, like title cards or something, especially because the book, the whole concept of the book was like the 12 labors of Superman, right? You know, like the 12 labors of Hercules and all that. So if you would have like, you know, some sort of type title card that separated each of the labors, it would have made a lot more sense.
00:25:59
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Come on, even Bananas Zack Snyder figured it out when he did the four hour Justice League peak. Oh God. Like he knew how to put a black pedal card. Don't get me started. I've covered it, yeah. When she was younger, when she was first born, we had my regular co-host before he passed away. I'd had her on, every time Zack Snyder came up, she would start crying. Cause she knew, oh, daddy's gonna get started.
00:26:28
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My buddy who I do stuff, I'm going to plug his podcast towards the end, but like we have a, I guess there should be like a bingo card. Like if we don't, if Zack Snyder doesn't come up or if how sucky the DC app is, that doesn't come up. Like that's like an automatic bingo win or it's like a drinking game. Yeah. Yeah. Oh God. If you did a drinking game with Zack Snyder, I think you'd probably get alcohol poisoning with this show.
00:26:52
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One of the things I did like about this is, just like the comic did, it really does show the love for the Silver Age stuff. And a lot of times when movies or TV shows, when they go back to the Silver Age, they do it in kind of a winky notion and almost like a, look at how ridiculous this was back then.
00:27:16
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This does not feel like that. This is very much a love letter to the Silver Age stuff. They honored it and they didn't, it wasn't hokey. They hugged it. They went, yeah, this is, this is some of the best stuff for people. Like they were honoring fans of this Superman, but made it.
00:27:35
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Oddly modern. Yes. Yeah. Where like you could see it, you could see it working even today. And it wasn't a, it wasn't a throwback. It was a, this could work today. Do you want to go through kind of like our favorite moments like in each of the movie? That sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. So what, what, you go first with your idea. So what was one of your favorite moments? Let's, let's bounce back and forth. So one of my favorite things is the key to the fortress. That, yeah. I love that part.
00:28:04
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That is, and that was something, it's so, it's very minimal in the book, but like, cause again, it's, it happens on like a panel here and there, but it was just the way you can see it in, in the like live action, so to speak, animated, but it's just a clever trope where it's like, she says like, where's the big golden key? And he's like, oh no, like it wasn't, like, what did he say? It wasn't, he said it was too, it was too, it wasn't secure enough. He takes this little key out.
00:28:33
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this big ass golden key and his little key and then she's like seriously and what did he say how much it weight it was some ridiculous it was like yeah i was like half a million times or something like that yeah because he carved yeah i i there was that was very like
00:28:51
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light-hearted, but just a cool concept. Yeah. That again, you took it from, but made it really cool. And it comes up when the two Kryptonians come back. Yes, yeah. When she says, you know, you should have had your key more secure. And she gives it to the robot and it breaks his arm.
00:29:11
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Yes, but he drops it in his hand. And that was one of my favorite moments. What do you got? What's the, what's the one that you really, you know, I really love the conversation between Lois and Superman right before he goes off to, to, to take the, the bottle city of candor to its, its new
Emotional Depth in Superman's Characterization
00:29:29
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home. Like there was, that was, that was a very emotional conversation. And Christina Hendricks, I think is,
00:29:37
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really the MVP of this movie as far as acting goes. Like, she's no Dana Delaney, but she was definitely the best actor out of this whole movie. I love that you go back to Dana Delaney, because honestly, like, when I hear Lois Lane as an animated voice, that's always my barometer. Yeah. My brain was like, when I saw the cast, like, Christina Hendrix, like, okay, she was great on Firefly, Safran, she was in Mad Men. All right.
00:30:03
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But no, but really, she does embody a tough, but very, very warm Lois Lane, which I really love. And that scene is really special. I believe he says, is it when he says, I'll always come back to you? I think that's what he says. Yeah, because he says, it's when he tells her that he's dying.
00:30:26
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And her, you know, her like emotional police, like, no, you always find a way, you're Superman, you'll beat this, you'll come back, our kids will go flying to Metropolis Park. And then he just says, very melancholy, you know, we can't have children, right? Our biology is too different. Like it was just, there was, and I got a lot of issues with, I think it was James Denton who did The Voice of Superman. He doesn't, like he's not that great, but I thought he did really well in that scene.
00:30:54
Speaker
Like just the melancholy in there. Yeah. Is that when he says, I love, I'll love you Lois Lane until the end of time. I feel like. Maybe. Yeah. There, there's a few really heartfelt moments. I mean, Jamie Depp and he's okay. I mean, we've got to give him some Chicago dude. Um, but, but, but honestly, it was very, uh, I was trying to figure out what's the best way to describe it. It was like stoic. It was, there was not a whole lot of, yeah.
00:31:20
Speaker
There was not a lot of rise and fall. There wasn't a lot of depth. It was very like monotone, but you know what I mean? It was, it was a little bit too- Monotone is actually what I was thinking. Okay. Yeah. So it was a little too like plain yogurt for me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these stories are huge and just give us a little bit more. Right. Yeah. So she really sold that for me. And that, that was probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Do you have another moment you wanted to mention?
00:31:51
Speaker
Random little things to the massive journal. Yes. Like, that was such a silver age kind of throwback where you've got this like massive stone journal of tablets that's on the wall that he's using his heat vision. It's like,
00:32:11
Speaker
it's like instead of writing a journal in your hand you decided to use a drive-in theater like he just he's shooting symbols on a drive-in movie theater plate that he just turns to the next shown page which is again very very throwback old school superman kind of vibe like everything's big nobody else can touch it except superman nobody else can use it but i i just found it uh again
00:32:37
Speaker
fun like I think that was a fun touch to the movie that wasn't corny but fun yeah another one and for me it's a it's a lot of the emotional moments really work for me here the conversation with Martha at Jonathan's grave right and the just that moment when when she's like you look thin have you been eating and and he's like he's like mom I'm superman and she's like yeah and I'm your mother
00:32:58
Speaker
You're like, you'll be my king. That's a sad scene. I mean, he's visiting Pa's grave. That always gets me. I'm always a proponent of Jonathan and Martha Kent being alive. I don't love any Superman where the Kent's are dead.
00:33:22
Speaker
I, I understand, I definitely get that perspective, although I keep coming back to Superman the movie and Jonathan's funeral, like, and when he says, you know, you know, all those things I could do all those powers and I couldn't even save him like I think I feel like that is Superman and his most humbled right when he realizes that
00:33:42
Speaker
Even though he can do all these great things, he is not a god. And I always contrast it with Man of Steel when he says, I let my father die. You're taking that humanity aspect out in that moment then.
00:33:55
Speaker
Right, and see like, again, that's another, that's another Bernie argues with himself moment, moment, but like, cause like Superman the movie is in probably still my top 10 movies of approach, filming, scoring, you name it. But the reason I say like, I want Pa Kent there is Ma, Ma is the loving, warm, I'm still gonna be your Midwestern Ma kind of vibe. I feel like Pa is the heart
00:34:24
Speaker
of who Superman truly is. Like Pa is the human to the Kryptonian. And anytime, whether it's John Schneider on Smallville, even honestly, as much as Kevin Costner's not my favorite, a lot of the things he says is very human. If he had a better script, I think he would have done, he would have been perfect.
00:34:49
Speaker
Oh, and I love Kevin Costner, the actor, but I think again, a great actor can only do so much with crappy words. Exactly, yeah. But there was that kind of humanizing, I love my son. Yes, you should do things for the world, but be careful because the world sucks. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:10
Speaker
And John Snyder, I think really did capture that. I think that was one of the things I soured on Smallville in the later seasons, just because a lot of reasons. John Snyder was one of the reasons I kept coming back. And once he was gone, like I kept running out of reasons why to keep watching.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah, and it's, I mean, I am a purist, unfortunately, to my curse, because I will always finish. Like, even a crappy book is like, I really should stop reading this, I'm going to be disappointed, but I have to know, I either have to know, will it save itself or will it get so bad?
00:35:47
Speaker
But yeah, Smallville is the same way. When John Kent leaves, when Jonathan Kent leaves rather, not to be confused with young Jonathan. But yeah, that's very different. But I do love this scene in this movie because it is Superman.
00:36:04
Speaker
saying goodbye again to Pop. He's already said goodbye, but he's truly saying goodbye to the human connections that are on earth, because he knows he's gotta go. He's gonna die, whether it's gonna be here or off world. But it is such a cute moment. Every mom's still gonna say, are you taking care of yourself? Exactly, yeah. No matter any one of our moms. And we could be fit as a fit.
00:36:33
Speaker
But, you know, are you eating? Yeah, yeah, hungry. Yeah, I got definite like flashback. Like when I watched that scene, I thought on my ground like that, because she's like that all exactly. And one of the things that kind of disappointed me is that we didn't have the scene where he goes back in time and interacts with Jonathan, because I thought that was such a great moment in the comics.
00:36:52
Speaker
Yeah. And that's, that's another thing I want to talk about is kind of the stuff they cut out like that was one thing I was disappointed they'd cut out the, the Jimmy stuff, the bizarre world stuff, you know that I wasn't, I was okay with, but I think the one moment I think that definitely should have been in this movie was when he saves the girl, right the girl who's about to jump.
00:37:14
Speaker
Oh, yes. I don't, okay. So I wondered about that. What was the rating? Is this PG-13? It had to be, okay. Something like that. Doesn't say on the Wikipedia, but it was probably like PG, PG-13, something like that, something around that. I wonder about that. Cause like I thought about from a content standpoint, like if you really look at the content
00:37:40
Speaker
how they're rating things. It's not just about like violence or language, but it's about dramatic content.
00:37:49
Speaker
that can make a rating. And if you're adding in the suicide or mental health card, that could change a whole lot from a target audience standpoint, or even, honestly, studio execs might've had their hand in that. I think that would have made such an impact. Even if you start the movie with that, I think that could have made a huge impact. Oh yeah, I mean, you could have put that moment pretty much anywhere in, because it happens at the end of the comic book, I believe, it might give you 10.
00:38:18
Speaker
But you can put that moment in anywhere. Especially like after he, I actually think, yeah, putting it at the beginning, in fact, after he comes back from space, that would be the perfect moment to put it in. Because it shows a contrast between these different things Superman does. Just like in Superman the movie, how he's, you know, in that first night of Metropolis, how he's, you know, he's stopping criminals, he's, you know, rescuing helicopters, saving the president, and then he pulls a cat out of a tree.
00:38:44
Speaker
Yes, I think that's what this movie could have used because if you look through the list of this movie, it's very Superman's cast of characters, Superman's rogue gallery. That's it. We don't see why Superman's important
00:39:04
Speaker
to earth. Like, yeah, he saves people, but we don't see the people. That scene is him being super, but not because of his powers. And that's my biggest argument with people who are like, well, I don't understand why Superman is your favorite hero. I'm like, well, because if you take away his powers, he's still the best of us. And that's a perfect example of how he's basically doing social work.
00:39:34
Speaker
Yeah, you know, that to me is I did miss that. I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, that's and that's such an iconic moment, like people who have never read All Star Superman, they know that scene because it's been memed and shared so many times. It's like the quintessential Superman moment. It reminded me a lot of Do you remember when Joe Casey did his Adventures of Superman run?
00:39:58
Speaker
Yes. So it was after the World's at War stuff, but he had done almost exclusively, he had just done these human interest Superman stories with Superman just helping people. And it was brilliant. And DC, if anyone from DC is listening, please collect those, because I want to reread them. Yeah. And I don't know if they ever put those in trade. I don't think so. They're slowly getting some of the, because they came out with
00:40:26
Speaker
the first trades of the low Kelly run in that era. I think they're slowly working up to it, but Casey didn't come along until after Return to Krypton, I believe. Yeah, and that's, and Joe Casey just came off. He was doing a lot of image stuff and wild storm stuff. He did Wildcats, which is another huge book I love. Oh God, that's another one that I was just, I literally just tweeted about the other day. DC reprint Joe Casey's Wildcats. It's so good. And they have them in trade and I have them, they're out of print trades. Out of print, yeah.
00:40:54
Speaker
Oh my gosh, but they're so good because again, they're very human stories. And that's the one thing that I wanna, I'm glad you brought up because I do think that All-Star Superman
00:41:05
Speaker
essentially missed the boat on that. All Star Superman needs to have a humanistic quality about why Superman is Superman. And the only really time we see it is the Ma Kent and Pa Grave visit. That's the only time we really see it. And it's lower stuff. I'd argue we also get a little bit in a kind of way with when he helps the Kryptonians because it shows that, you know,
00:41:29
Speaker
They try to kill him, they mock him and everything, and he goes out of his way to help them. Yeah, and that was one of my favorite lines too, because you really see
00:41:42
Speaker
Superman explaining what grace and forgiveness look like. Yeah. Because they're so confused. But they're like, we're dying, and you're wanting to help us, but we were so terrible to you. Yeah. And now we understand who you really are. And you're still showing us mercy.
00:42:02
Speaker
And he's like, well, yeah, like you're my people and I care for you and I want to help you just like anybody else. So I would agree with that. Yeah, that brings me to the other thing that I kind of, and this may seem stupid, like I'm sure some people would be like, come on, you're going too far now. But when he kills the Sun Eater, when he kills Solaris, right, in the comic book,
00:42:23
Speaker
Right? You know, he gives him mercy and, you know, and he gives, it's tough love, right? He says, you know, the Solaris begs for mercy and Superman says, you'll live, but the Sun Eater still survives. In this, he says, I have no mercy left. And I'm like, that is okay. Yeah.
00:42:41
Speaker
And I mentioned that, so I have like, I have quotes, I have stories, and then I have thoughts in my last notes. And one of my thoughts was, Superman out of mercy question mark? Yeah. That was, first of all, that's not in the book. Second of all, that's a weird, like,
00:43:02
Speaker
left turn from everything that we know about Superman or we've seen about Superman, even if all you know is this movie. So that was confusing. You go from the Kryptonian scene and then that. I don't understand that.
00:43:19
Speaker
Yeah, I have no idea what was going on with that scene. It took me out of the movie when I got to that. I'm like, wait a minute. And I couldn't remember the story itself. I couldn't remember it from the comic when I was watching it last night. And I was like, this does not feel right. There's just something about this that's not gelling with me. And then I went back and I'm like, oh, OK, now I know why.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, and isn't that Solaris, I feel like, is that Solaris character? Is that from like the DC 1 million? I believe so, yeah, Ed. Yeah, Morrison did that. Yeah, Morrison did that. He brought back, because there's also the, when Superman's doing the, showing him the lowest the time telescope, talks to Calcat, the Superman 1 million. He's wearing the same costume.
00:44:03
Speaker
Right, and it's funny, there's things that you go, I know they were not good books. I know they were not well-loved, but sometimes conceptually you go, that was a pretty good idea. And it says, unfortunately, it doesn't always land well. But you knew, oh, but maybe if you had a few extra months, you could have pulled that one out. But Solaris was a great thing they grabbed from that.
00:44:29
Speaker
I did love the sun eater that he was feeding in the fortress. I mean, that's another thing that felt so weird about when he goes after Solaris then, because I mean, this is a sun eater, it could destroy the galaxy, and he's still helping it. Yes. It's just so interesting to me. And then it's like, no mercy. Yeah, so that did throw me. All right, can we talk about the ending? Yes, yeah.
00:44:58
Speaker
I'm okay with endings being like offering you wonder or making you think about things past the movie. What I didn't love was like the question of is Superman dead or Superman in the sun. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so what do you think? What do
Superman's Fate and Lex Luthor's Redemption
00:45:19
Speaker
you think the answer is? You know what?
00:45:22
Speaker
Cause that wasn't in the comic, right? It was not in the comic. Okay. I wonder if McDuffie was trying to tie it back to DC 1 million because there was that thing in DC 1 million about how Superman had spent like, you know, all this time in the fun. So I wonder if that was just McDuffie being cute or something. I don't know. And like that's, it's tough because there are like, obviously there's Easter eggs for like people that are like deep dive kind of fans. I always worry though, like if you do something like that,
00:45:51
Speaker
when it's a very small audience, like there's a tip of the hat to certain people, but I was like, oh, come on, like, just say like yes or no, even if it's a, like they had that drawing, but they didn't just like, just either show them or don't. Like make it speculation, but don't make it confusing. I think that's what was a little frustrating for my end. I wanted to know like, is he alive? Cause clearly there's, there's, we just said there's Cal Kent in the future.
00:46:17
Speaker
Right. Well, that's something else, because remember, Lois mentioned, he kind of looks like my dad, right? And then we get the end there when, and this is one change I really, I liked, where it's, Lex Luthor gives Leo Quintum the, the genome, right? He had, where in the comic book, it's Superman, he gives it to him, right? So I did like that, like, Luthor redeeming himself in that way. And that whole idea of
00:46:43
Speaker
you know, him seeing the world in a whole new way when he has those powers and it just broadening his perspective. And I thought that was a really, that was really well done in this. I kind of didn't want that scene to end. Like I wanted them to continue to expand it just a little bit longer so that like he gets more opportunities to be the Lex Luthor that Clark says, like, oh, I wrote it down. Where is it? Hold on. I love this line.
00:47:12
Speaker
Here's your chance to prove it, Lex. I know there's good in you. Be the person I know you can be. And that's such a Superman line, too. The fact that even his greatest enemy, he's not giving up. Yep. Other things that I really dug, I love the lowest Louisiana shit.
00:47:35
Speaker
You know what, I was thinking about that because I had reread some of the comic book and I reread that issue. Yeah, it's weird. It felt weird in the issue because it almost feels like it doesn't feel like Morrison had set up the paranoia enough. No. But it worked very well. What do you want? You want to talk? Hold on to me.
00:47:58
Speaker
Show me the ball for me, dad. But in the movie, the music and the way the animation works, it totally sells the idea that there's something else going on here with her. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there was just, I loved her panic. I loved the way they approached the back room. I loved the way they approached the costume being made for her, for the Mexican yet. I loved all of that.
00:48:23
Speaker
that that that gate that had a like a right amount of weird mystique to it that it wasn't really in the comics very well but they did a nice job of that
00:48:31
Speaker
I also liked when, and this is from the comics as well, but when Samson and Atlas, the competition, and he pulls Lois aside and he's like, why are you, cause it's very much a nod to those old silver age issues when like, you know, they'd be playing off. And it was a very childish, right? In those issues. But this one, she's, they give her a logical reason for why she's doing it. She's like, look, it's my birthday. You were, you know, you were kind of a dick about the Clark thing. So let me have some fun here.
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah. I do love Superman in the white suit. I was thinking about it and I like that they use the original logo on that. Yeah. Yep. I love that. I did have a good laugh at the like Kryptonian formal wear.
00:49:18
Speaker
Yes. Like Superman in a kind of weird hoodie. That was a little bit weird, yeah. And in the comic, too, I'm just like, I mean, come on, Whiteley, you're better than this. You could take a little more time on that aspect of it. And again, that's very, like, niche Whiteley, though. He likes to throw in things that, like, he thinks might look good. And we might go, dude, that's bananas. What are you doing? And he's like, it's fine. Let it be.
00:49:47
Speaker
Yeah, man, like I, real fast. So for those that don't know, I know you said like band director, but like I'm a huge music score nut. And I do think that the score for this movie added a ton. Yes, yeah, absolutely. It really was very sweeping. I feel like we've gotten in the past movies
00:50:11
Speaker
especially the animated ones, not always the best. They're a little more formulaic. This really added a lot of emotion into it. And again, I love the composer, but I didn't get a chance to look it up. I'm going to look it up really fast because
00:50:27
Speaker
I really do love what you did. Yeah, I was thinking about that too. And that kind of ties in what I was saying about the lowest paranoia scene. It's the music that really sells that buildup to it. And at the end, the theme, it's not quite the John Williams Superman theme, but it's very evocative of it.
00:50:48
Speaker
And you know, it makes more sense now. So Christopher Drake is the composer and he wrote, he did a lot of the video games scores. So for both injustices, for Arkham City, Arkham Asylum, all those, he wrote the scores for those. So again, it made sense. Like it did not sound like the typical kind we got from back films.
00:51:13
Speaker
But I did want to mention that because that always adds an extra little because of who I am and what I do for a living that adds a little extra emotion like oh man that moment that moment really hit for me because of the way that swept through as a chord. How did you feel? I think they did a nice job from an art direction standpoint that
00:51:37
Speaker
They paid good honor to Frank Whitley's work, but didn't try to mimic it too much. Yeah, I thought it was, I think you hit it right there. I thought the Superman's lips kind of looked a little bit weird. That'd be my biggest thing. But other than that, because, you know, Whitley, even though his art has this cartoonish style to it, it's also at the same time, oddly detailed.
00:52:02
Speaker
So it's very difficult to animate that. And I think they did a pretty good job. They got kind of like the basic outlines of it. And one of the great things about Kwiatli's art is his characters are different. Like a lot of artists, they draw the characters all the same. And if not for the coloring or for the costumes, you could not tell them apart.
00:52:25
Speaker
Whiteley is one of those artists who really takes the time to differentiate the characters, which is probably why his work takes so damn long to finish. It really takes so long. Yeah. And like, so we even think about, we talked about new X-Men. Even how he approaches Professor X. Yeah. He's not just a bald dude.
00:52:42
Speaker
like he's very meticulous about like wrinkles, crow's feet, all like different things, like how the lips look like you said earlier, that does not translate to an animated, like you can't move that from cell to cell, it's very frustrating and takes forever. Yeah, just doing a comic book, like that level of detail is, because you got to redraw that stuff time and time again, I'm starting to do a comic book myself now and it's,
00:53:08
Speaker
It's, it's a lot of work. So yeah, you got to be really careful continuity. You do it on one, you better do it on the next. Exactly. Yeah. And we'll also with the body types. I just want to quickly mention this about me because this is one I love mentioning. And that's his, his, his Cyclops, right? Because ever since like the the 80s, 90s, there's been this tendency to draw Cyclops with like a
00:53:28
Speaker
a standard superhero physique but the whole thing about him is that he's a skinny guy it's why he was called that's why his nickname is slim and quietly is like the only artist in like you know 40 years who's actually drawn him thin yep i mean even if you go back to the jim lee's stuff like that's not that's not what cyclops should look like exactly yeah um we got a remember too that this is a bruce tim production
00:53:53
Speaker
So if you look carefully from scene to scene, you see this very interesting hybrid of Frank Quietly and Bruce Timm, like animated series stuff. Yeah, yeah. Like every now and then you're like, oh, like, like, did I see like a Batman animated? Did I check out? Did I just see a Superman? It goes from Quietly chubby to like JLU rounded a little bit.
00:54:19
Speaker
And I really, you know what, I dig it. I don't always love the newer anime style of newer films. I totally get what they're doing. I like it, but it's it's just not my style as much. Yeah, I really appreciate it. I did like this. I could watch more in this in this vein. Yeah, I thought they did. I thought the art was really good. And I did notice some of that that I've been doing some a lot of Bruce Timm studies lately, like in my sketchbook and stuff. And
00:54:46
Speaker
And so I did notice a bit of that coming through. One more thing I wanted to mention, and this is an ongoing debate about this book, about Leo Quinta.
Fan Theories about Leo Quintum's Identity
00:54:57
Speaker
And so like the theory for, the big fan theory is that he's Lex Luthor time traveling from the future. Morrison himself has said, well, no, he's just Superman scientist friend. And he had originally planned to have him have some connection to the new gods, but that didn't end up getting in the final version.
00:55:16
Speaker
I don't know if you had any thoughts about that. I never, yeah, I don't know. Is it supposed to be Lex Luthor's like kin from the future?
00:55:31
Speaker
I think some people say that he's Lex Luthor himself and he's time traveled from the from the future. But other people would say that he's Lex Luthor's like descendant time travel from the future. And I would I would I would go more with the latter. I would too myself. Yeah. I feel like I feel like if it was Lex Luthor's great grandkid.
00:55:51
Speaker
Think about how telephone and even history books kind of like some of the fat is trimmed and you just get like the very, very specific things. Right. Lex's evil brain might not translate through the generations, but some of the incredible things that like Superman's DNA possibly. Yeah. I mean, if you've got
00:56:16
Speaker
a great grandkid, a Les Luther, and knows the scientific innovations that his great grandfather did, wouldn't you want to go back and try to encourage him to be a better person? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So like, I totally can go with that one. But I also kind of see, you know, Quentin could be like, a really cool version of like, Emil Hamilton. Yeah.
00:56:40
Speaker
I can vibe either way with how they go with it. Either way, I love the character action. Yeah, I wish there was a little bit more of him, both in the comic book and in this movie. I thought he was interesting. And plus, you know, you get someone like Alexis Denizov to voice him. Would have been great to give him a little bit more room to shine, because that guy's a master. And more to do, yeah. So I'm trying to think if there's anything else, buddy, that like really stood out to me.
00:57:08
Speaker
One thing for me is I did love how they had replicated the opening and they had cut it with the action scenes. Like the montage? Yes, yes, the montage. And they used quite these actual art. I thought that was really well done. Another thing too is I really liked, I'm not sure, I can't remember who did the voice, but I really liked the guy who did, I really liked this depiction of Lex Luthor. And it's a very weird choice. It's Anthony LaPaglia.
00:57:38
Speaker
So he was, do you remember this show without a trace? Sounds familiar, but I'm sorry. So it was like when CSI was exploding, TVS was trying to reduce. So they did a lot of like missing cases without a trace was the CSI version of missing people. Oh, okay. And Anthony LaPaglia was the star very like calculating
00:58:03
Speaker
cold but a very very good actor. It took me a while to place it because I couldn't figure out. It wasn't like somebody trying to do Clancy Brown but it was if there was somebody trying to imitate him.
00:58:19
Speaker
it wasn't bad no no it was really good yeah and um i just love that they showed this movie because i think sometimes there's a tendency to downplay superman's intelligence yes um and i i love that this movie didn't do that it showed him being like intellectually curious it showed him being able to outsmart luther like when he says yeah i knew about the robot i've been on to you since day one i i loathe any writer that
00:58:45
Speaker
doesn't make Superman super smart. That doesn't make sense. Based on his powers, his ability to read quickly and to gather knowledge quickly, and all of it, he'd be very intelligent. Yeah, and that's another thing I liked about the fortress scene is
00:59:04
Speaker
the fact that he does have all these interests, right? Where he's like, yeah, you know, I'm sewing, I'm restoring ships, I'm, you know, mapping the human genome, I'm, you know, and just like that's, and that's what, that was something Morrison had said about Superman in interviews, said that Superman stories should be, you know, they're like, he should be like the most curious person around, you know, he should be wanting to find out about stuff. And
00:59:30
Speaker
And one of the best things I like about his Superman is this idea that everything just comes effortlessly to him, right? He doesn't strain, you know, he's not, you know, he's just, he's basically like a big kid in a lot of ways. Like that scene with Lois, it's like a little kid showing you there, you know, showing you around their room. And I love that. I mean, you also think he's one of the few characters besides Green Lantern who can really travel the universe. Yeah.
01:00:00
Speaker
Like he should be out and about not collecting, but learning. Yeah. And I love, I really liked this depiction of the fortress because it's not a collection. It's hobbies. Yes. Yeah. It's, it's learning. It's learned. He's like trying to figure out things. Um, but it's not, it's not the intergalactic zoo. I don't like that fortress. I like,
01:00:27
Speaker
I like the the maker space kind of museum of science and industry approach. Yes. Yeah. No. Yeah. I thought that was that was really well done. Any other things you wanted to mention about this?
01:00:40
Speaker
No, man, I really appreciated the assignment, so to speak. I'm glad the choices you gave me. And I was happy to go back because I watched this when it first came out 10 years ago, which is weird to even say. But I remembered enjoying it. But again, when you're doing something for a podcast or you're doing a deep dive, it's fun to really analyze a little bit more of both good and bad. I really enjoy this stuff. Yeah, same here.
01:01:08
Speaker
It's a great movie. It's got flaws, right? It's not as good as the source material, what movie is, but it does a pretty good job of getting the main beats across. Because the main thing Morrison wanted to do with that book was to tell a Silver Age Superman story that would speak to people in the modern day. And I think this movie does a good job of translating that. Yeah, I would agree. I totally agree.
01:01:37
Speaker
Okay, so anything you want to promote before we close up? Yeah, so there's podcasts that I'm working on a lot. My good friend Anthony Desiado does for people that are Superman fans. It's called Digging for Kryptonite, Superman's fan journey.
01:01:54
Speaker
He does everything from comics to the movies, to media, to he's even done stuff on the ethics of Superman, how you found faith weaved into certain things of Superman. He's done dives on the Snyder stuff, all the different versions. But again, digging for Kryptonite, I've done a number of episodes with him. He just did two and a half hour podcasts on the death and funeral of Superman and the reign and return of Superman.
01:02:24
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He did an amazing eight-part series called From Crisis to Death, and it covered from the John Byrne Superman stuff all the way to The Death of Superman. It was quite an awesome series, but I'm working on that with him. But yeah, I'm doing a lot more with all your comics in Skokie here outside Chicago and becoming part of their communities. So if you're in the Chicagoland area, come check out our store. We'd love to have you visit.
01:02:54
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Yeah, so I'm forging a path out of teaching over the next 10 years into the comics world and hopefully I'll be on more podcasts and at a comic convention community near you, so.
01:03:06
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That's awesome. Yeah, I had heard the Bronze Age episode you guys did, and really liked, which actually kind of spurned me to invite you on to do this episode. So yeah, that was a really good episode, and it made me interested in hearing more about his show. I was actually just looking at the podcast feed the other day, and I saw the Death of Superman stuff on there. And I had reread those fairly recently, because they'd come on sale fairly recently on Comexology.
01:03:32
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And that's cool about the comic store. I'll have to probably drop by when I'm in town in December. Yeah, we should get together. When are you coming in December? Because C2E2 is in town, that time frame. Oh, OK. We'll talk more about it once we close up the episode. Nice. Once Elena stops singing along or whatever she's doing here. I think she's trying to play us out. Well, listen, thanks so much for having me on the show, dude.
01:03:58
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01:05:15
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