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13NoH S2.N10: The Fly 1958 w/ Travis from The Night Club Podcast
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🦠 Episode 10 of 13 Nights of Halloween 🦠 For Night 10, we’re taking a nostalgic trip back to the 1950s with The Fly (1958) starring the legendary Vincent Price! Join us and our awesome guest, Travis from @thenightclubpodcast, as we dissect the classic sci-fi horror that brought us the unforgettable line, “Help meee!” We’ll dive into the film’s iconic moments, its impact on the genre, and why it still gives us chills decades later. Is this old-school classic still buzzing with terror? Let’s find out! Plus, don’t forget to check out our exclusive Zencastr promo—get 30% off when you use our code to elevate your own podcasting experience: https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage 13 Nights of Halloween is heating up, so make sure to like, comment, and subscribe for more episodes of spooky film fun! 🍸 Cocktail pairing? Of course! Find the recipe for this episode’s drink on our Instagram. 📢 Don’t forget to share your own score of the film using the link in our bio or in your stories! #TheFly #1958TheFly #VincentPrice #ClassicHorror #HorrorPodcast #SciFiHorror #13NightsOfHalloween #ZencastrPromo #HorrorCommunity #TheNightClubPodcast
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Transcript
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It words, haven't it? You'll be all right now. I know it's words!
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No!
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No! No!
Introduction and Welcome
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This is Tim. This is Jonathan. And this is the average welcome back horror fiends to night 10 of our 13 nights of Halloween series.
Series Journey So Far
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We're inching closer to Halloween and the chills are only getting more intense as we dive deeper into the world of classic and contemporary horror. So far we face some iconic face offs, but tonight we're revisiting a tale that's truly stood the test of time. If you've been with us since the beginning,
00:02:13
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you know we've tackled some incredible films with some amazing guests.
Comparison of 'The Fly' Versions
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We started our journey with Black Christmas, then the House of Wax, both of their modern incarnations and their classic predecessors, before venturing into the twisted world of Suspiria. Most recently, we've been crawling through the flesh and fear of David k Cronenberg's The Fly with our special guest, Travis, from the Nightclub Podcast.
00:02:40
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Well, Travis is back and tonight he's joining us once more to compare and contrast the 1986 Cronenberg classic with the predecessor film from 1958, the one that started it all. Hello. Hello. It's good to be back. You. Woo. Welcome back, bro. Yeah, man. um I'll be damn. Yeah. Nightclub invading the average once again. One man army this time. No w Rickles. And I don't think you'll ever had. surevor or cody on the show before have you
00:03:11
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Oh, I haven't. ah and I talked to Trevor. Trevor and I were working something out for a while, but I don't know where that's going. So he'd be busy. But thanks for having me back. I'm excited to talk about this movie with you. Tim, on on the last episode, when we talked about k Cronenberg's The Fly, I told you this was a whole different beast.
00:03:32
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um This is a whole different beast. Right. India agreed. Oh, and today we get to talk about why they are two totally different beasts. And we'll dive into that. So remember. We want you to be a part of this fright fest. Watch along with us and share your thoughts and reviews. We have a handy little link in our Instagram bio where you can submit your scores the exact same way we do, whether you're a fan of the originals or you prefer the remakes.
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Your opinion matters. We're tallying up the scores, tagging everyone who submits a review and their valid tag to see how these head to head scores
The 1958 'The Fly' Discussion
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play out. Halloween rolls past and we're stuck in the gray despair of days. Until next Halloween, we'll post the winners. Is the original better or is the remake?
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So for those who haven't seen the original fly, prepare yourself for a slice of vintage sci-fi horror that remains unsettling to this day. Directed by Kurt Newman and starring Vincent Price as Francois de Lombre, David Heddison as the ill-fated scientist Andre de Lombre, and Patricia Owens as his terrified wife, Helen, or Helene. Either way, the fly It tells the haunting story of a scientific experiment gone horribly wrong. Unlike the 1986 remake, which took body horror to shocking extremes, the original plays with psychological horror, focusing on the slow descent into madness as Andre's humanity is stripped away by his transformation. The film's chilling ending has become one of the most iconic moments in horror history, leaving audiences both terrified and heartbroken.
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Tonight, we're dissecting these two versions of The Fly, examining their themes, their impact on the genre of horror, and why both films have remained so influential over the years.
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We'll delve into what makes the original timeless classic, how to remake how the remake redefined the story for a new generation, and which film ultimately leaves us with a more lasting impression.
In-depth Analysis of 1958 'The Fly'
00:05:40
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So grab your popcorn, mix up the cocktail that can be found on our Instagram page, and get ready for a night of fascinating film. We explode the fly with our returning guest, Travis. All right, so we'll kick this off, diving into the story and the plot ah The original 1958 fly. How unique or compelling is this story, Travis? um If I'm going to get well. So automatically, I'm comparing it to the the Cronenberg movie, right? Because you just you got it. yo Yeah, it's kind of hard not to.
00:06:19
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It's a completely but not well, not completely different story. It's a different story with the similar premise where a scientist creates a teleportation device. In this movie, he calls it the disintegrator reintegrator or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. And This movie takes a different turn where it's like told through a flashback after ah the scientist's death. So we know starting out, wink, wink, that the scientist is dead and ah his wife is like you know suspected of the being the murderer well and emits flat out to being the murderer. And there's a mystery element that unfolds throughout the story.
00:07:04
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I think this story is equally unique to the Cronenberg fly. I mean, what I don't I can't think of another movie where this is the fucking plot. um You know, so i I guess if I'm going to just be honest and go and go and go in guns blazing, I would give this a five for a story or or, you know, right, right out of the gate.
Character Arcs and Motivations
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um
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And I mean, at what point do we talk about the ending?
00:07:41
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ah Well, whenever you want to be, because I have things to say, I was going to bring that in in the factor specifically, because the line from that is pretty legendary. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'll wait. I was going to bring that up in the. air effect I'll hold off on that then, but.
00:08:01
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Um, yeah, man, very unique story. And, you know, the, the Cronenberg fly deals with body horror. And I don't know just from memory, how existential it really gets, I guess, to a degree, because, uh, Goldblum is like, you know, document my transition and and the end of basically that what he thinks is like going to be the end of his life.
00:08:32
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and it turns into documenting this new creature he's becoming. This movie gets pretty existential too, which I wasn't expecting from a 1950s movie. I don't know why. It's not like existentialism hasn't been around longer than the fifties, but i I guess, and this is something you need to the eighties. I, right. I barely remember this movie. i I've seen it before, but I just like that was something I did not remember or probably didn't even catch when I saw this, you know, years and years and years ago. But, um, dope man, very dope story. Uh, I'm glad that Cronenberg did what he did to the the source material, but I got to give it to these fifties fucks. they They did the thing. And I was, I was harsher on this movie. I'm going to be honest. I own this movie. I love Vincent Price. I went through my Vincent Price phase, but
00:09:25
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Yeah, this one, there's a reason why I didn't remember watching it. So so this the story is I i guess it's fairly unique. ah It's actually based on a short story from Playboy. Yeah, I found that out. but Out of a Playboy magazine, the movie was made less than a year after its release in the Playboy magazine.
00:09:52
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Uh-huh. So, you know, they really did read it for the articles, but. I. Guys, I'll be honest, I did not feel like this had quite the depth. In the story that the remake does, and I don't want to compare it and have that affected score. But when I'm watching this one, I got through and through sci-fi horror, B movie, B movie. So we talked about the other one was did horror.
00:10:30
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And yeah, many people can say the the remake is still a B movie, I guess, but it's so much better than a B movie. This one reminded me of a lot of those old black and white, like just random thing happens to scientists who's messing around and you know, it's shocking and terrifying and the end. So I, I wasn't overwhelmed by this story. And I, I hate being super critical of it. However, I did. I'll get into the plot or into the script more with my issues on this, but it reminded me of a Twilight Zone episode that was 90 minutes long. It's been a long Twilight Zone episode for me and the
00:11:26
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It was fun to watch the original House of Wax with Vincent Price so recently. And this one to horror movies from about the same time period with Vincent Price. And they're so very different from each other. So this one, I gave the story. It was good. It was a three for me. It was a three for me. I don't think that's harsh. I mean, that's fair.
00:11:54
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um says yeah i guess i get i feel like i har on this film well I guess we'll see how the rest of your scores play out. ah just yeah I guess because I compared it to the or the remake.
00:12:08
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and like 1950s sci-fi horror is not my strong suit. I haven't seen many of them. So like i was I was kind of impressed that they they pulled this this off. But its it's all the other factors that we're going to get into that play into it. So we'll we'll get there.
00:12:25
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Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I'm kind of on the same wavelength with Tim here on that. I mean, it's it just seemed kind of typical for the time period of a lot of you know the other sci fi horror. Scientists gone wrong with an experiment and something involving a bug or some crazy shit like that. um So.
00:12:47
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It was cool. I liked the the build of the story and how they did that whole thing with the flashback after, you know, seeing pretty much it's near close to the end of the film already at the start. um But i see I think a three was pretty fair. I'm cool with that. So then on to the next category to our character and their story arc. Where are we at on the particular arc of the characters in this?
00:13:13
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Um, when it comes to the scientists who I'll, uh, I'll start with him. I mean, yeah the movie starts with him dead. So he, so like throughout the course of the movie, we as the audience get to see him alive. That's already like a, like a plus for him. He's alive again. And, and, and he's whole again, even though it's a flashback, I get it, but you know, haha joke.
00:13:40
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Um, the I like, I like the guy's altruistic nature that he wants to, you know, create this thing and help mankind. Uh, and he even has this one speech to his wife about like how this is going to help humanity. But then similar to the gold blooms, he goes, you know, down the path of all shit. I done fucked up and got my DNA all intermingled with this fly. And now I got to hide underneath a towel.
00:14:10
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So my wife doesn't have a, a conniption fit and who would blame her, you know, cause we do get that reveal and he tragically do. Yeah. And you know, for 1958, it still looks pretty cool to me. I'll be honest. um Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
00:14:28
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And you know tragically, he he does sacrifice himself, to but but it's to help prevent any further shenanigans with with this new technology that he's invented.
00:14:42
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ah Goldblum didn't do that. So the character didn't necessarily like he stayed altruistic. I guess he didn't really have much of a over like like ah he didn't change much other than physically. He seemed to stay himself. The wife had to deal with all of this.
00:15:01
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And her character arc sucks because, you know, she loses her husband. She's framed not framed for murder. She's ah being arrested for murder, apparently going to be putting a loony bin. That's tragic. It's tragic. So it's tragic, kind of like the remake, no matter what. Rightfully, so if I'm coming around telling you that my my my wife's head was.
00:15:27
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place with a fly's head and that the other fly flying around the house right now, you've got to save that because that's the only way to bring my wife back. Yeah, put me in a loony bag and that gets a little nuts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. um And I don't know who else really has much of an arc. I guess the investigator and Vincent Price as the scientist's brother, they go from, you know, not believing to believing, but they're kind of just there They're not really doing much other than being sort of a conduit for the audience. Or what way what's the proper word? they're They're like the audience sort of, you know, going through the motions of the story. So um I guess overall, I mean, because I like the arcs of the, like, I like the tragedy of it.
00:16:20
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I don't know, like, I don't know really how to give this a score. Like, I don't want to give it a five because it feels like I'm just going to like, oh, five, five, five. Um,
00:16:33
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I don't know, but see, also, I don't know if I have a problem with, with the arcs either. Except for, except for, but yeah, fuck it, man. It's a five. I don't, I, I, I don't see a fault. So I'll just give it that. And maybe if I change my score,
00:16:49
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later we'll see, but I don't know. So there it is. Okay. You go, you go with how you feel that that's that works. So my problem with these arcs is I didn't feel that they were overly compelling. So I didn't feel like they were super powerful arcs. And I do, I do think I know the reason why I'll get in later. Uh,
00:17:17
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I'm not sure I understood his motivation to put himself in for this one. Oh, it wasn't like he made the cat vanish. You didn't see that scene where he got really drunk and jealous. Yeah, exactly. No, I did. I miss that scene. I miss that scene. I miss him rambling about the flesh for 30 minutes trying to get the flesh correct. This is the flesh, baby. Huh? You don't want to get you don't want to get disintegrated and reintegrated, huh, baby? Yeah.
00:17:45
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And so I didn't understand why he did it. He lost the cat and then he had some successful. And then I guess it was like, okay, I had some successful hamster ones. So I'm next. And. Okay.
00:18:02
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So I didn't understand the compelling motive I get. He mentioned the same thing. I noticed he mentioned the same thing Goldblum does about transportation and how it's going to help people. So that's good. I didn't feel like his motivations for doing it were as powerful and not that Goldblum's drunk and jealous, powerful, but he was obsessed with a successful flush trial. And I didn't feel that obsession quite as much with this guy. Uh,
00:18:33
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And then I did not like the character of Helene. If I'm going to be honest, I was very intrigued. I was very intrigued in the beginning when she put him in the press. Okay. Hooked then. And then it took us half an hour for her to start recapping. What happened? Why was she hesitant to tell? Well, because they think she's crazy, but I mean, that's your only out. What, what, what was the deal with that? I don't,
00:19:01
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Yeah, you got me kind of wondering, like, why would you not just tell them as as ridiculous as it admittedly sounds? But and she is throughout the movie, she is obsessed with catching that fly, right? Because she wants to show them.
00:19:15
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the whole movie. Yeah. the well So much of the movie is chasing the fly with the white head. I like, I like when she starts screaming though. Like, like it when whenever that fucking, I guess it's the maid or whoever's in the room and she's like, just can' help me let me see it. Let me see the fly. No, me and Jonathan were just talking about the cat moment where the cats meowing through space. And I was like, that, that got cosmic. Cause I didn't, I didn't expect the movie to show me gore, you know,
00:19:43
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So I didn't think he was going to go run over to the other pod and see like an inside out cat. But what it did instead, I was equally happy with. I was like, that's kind of cool. That's that's a neat way to like his cat is just Adams now. Why is it still got meowing capabilities? I don't know. But it's an ether cat, bro. It's the ether cat. This this is I love these conversations. I'm totally fine if the episode. takes I'm totally fine if the episode takes this direction. in ah
00:20:13
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Yeah, so what was I saying about? great Character arc. You were shitting on Helene a lot. Yeah, I'm not I'm not a big fan of her. I I liked that beginning that kind of tragic phone call of I killed him.
00:20:30
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And that was when that was the coolest part of her character moment for me, because the rest of it was just sobbing uncontrollably. And that that's not fair. That's not how the rest of it went.
00:20:43
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how She just murdered her husband. So you know because she saw what he became, I i guess, I guess it's pretty tragic. You don't like like whenever her and and and the the scientist, what's his name, the character's name? I keep calling him the scientist. I know her name and is Andre. You don't like whenever hear yeah Andre and Helene are just like.
00:21:07
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going through the motions of him explaining what's going on. And he's like, I'm a fortunate man and I'm a fortunate woman. And then they go on their little cute date to the ballet and none of that. None of that was good. No, it wasn't working for me. It wasn't working for me. All right. ah Yeah, man, I was not.
00:21:29
Speaker
Not as invested in these two characters as I was in the two characters from the later from the newer version. So it's weird to call them movie from the 80s, the newer version. But in this case, it is. i I want to say, I agree. I agree with you, Tim. Like, like, even if I'm giving shit fives right here,
00:21:53
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It's like, you might as well say five plus five for the remake ah in these categories for me. um In these two particular ones, so we'll see where it goes from there, but like so far, remake is winning out, but I did enjoy the the OG. I'm sorry to interrupt, ah my bad.
00:22:12
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No, ah you're here because we want to hear your thoughts. I actually don't mind interruption. I want like open conversation. So I'm cool with it. but The. For me, it was a three. I thought their arcs were good. I just felt like they weren't as flushed out and deep as they needed to be to make this next level.
Quality and Strengths of the Film
00:22:39
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You're still it was great for a B movie. You're still not being a sci-fi or be a movie. I'm expecting twos or something when you say that you didn't like something, but like giving it a three is to me like the the other side of average. the bottom end up Well, or is it the. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:00
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Yeah, it's the bottom end of good. Well, I'm i'm going there are twos in my in my ah oh score. So all right. So Jonathan, where did you fall in the character arc? Well, I mean, you guys, right, there's there's not a lot to go on for arc with with most of these people for, you know, largely, it's just kind of lacking for sure. Like when you were talking about with that lack of buildup for Andre before, you know, the mishap with the experiment, I kind of get the sense that there is a little bit there because of his direct obsessiveness with the project and how he just kind of brushes off Helen, you know, at random even after just having like these
00:23:45
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brief, deep, intimate moments together, and then boom, just right right back in it, not really a hearing anything else. And then they have, he comes out, he's got this big breakthrough, it seems, and they have that big date night as like that one last night, one good night together in case something bad happens when he tries this on himself.
00:24:08
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So I feel like that diging it that way but there is that build, I think, in in that way for it before he loses his ship. But then after that, yeah you don't really get too much more out of it from any kind of development with him as a character until he gets more towards the end and he starts really playing on the the fly part, trying to take over yeah before he decides he needs to end everything. And even then, it's like,
00:24:32
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it's It's hard for it to come through because there's no speech, no audible end to him after that. And it's all typewriter and the the one and one, two knock system for yes, no, to kind of communicate anything. So it seems like you you lose a lot in translation there versus how you see the decline and the morphing you know in in the 80s version with Seth Brundle.
00:24:59
Speaker
um as he becomes a bundle fly. Yeah. You know, so I mean, I kind of miss on that as far as how the character develops, but he still gets to a point where he realizes this isn't going to work. They can't find this shit. This little bastard has flies got half of me. And just like, you know, you just this is going to be what's best just to avoid all the bullshit. And finally, just ending it all and letting Helen just, you know, put the press on him. So b there's a bit of arc there.
00:25:25
Speaker
I think more than is realized, but everybody else really falls flat with the exception of Helen maybe because, you know, she's she's it's weird how she's so in having her faith in Andre and then taking him just direct on what he wants from her.
00:25:44
Speaker
And her being like she just killed her husband, but it's like she doesn't really seem like have that much in the way of remorse. I mean, you can tell that you got her doped up a little bit through part of it, you know, after the fact. I'm trying to ask questions, you know, whatever. But. I mean, it's just weird. I think the reason. Well, how do you think she believe?
00:26:07
Speaker
and that she only killed the fly parts and that if the body could be reunited with the with the fly in the thing he'd come back because they're still looking or are they still looking for the fly just to prove that she's not insane because they only smashed the fly head and the fly arm. That's so was there some kind of unexplained hope that she could still put them back in and his head would reattach to his body. I don't know. They don't explain, right?
00:26:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. They just like I said, it's weird with her character, how she just kind of goes direct with whatever and anything. And that kind of sucks. And then she goes through this whole thing with her acting like she's she is crazy in order to to somehow protect her son. Like, has it really protecting your kid? You know, and then finally getting that vindication of what she's talking about is real after she explains everything, you know, to Francois and the inspector.
00:27:12
Speaker
And, you know, her getting that vindication that she's not crazy, but still after the fact. She seems like she's OK. Like whatever, um you know, I don't really care about what just happened that my husband is fucking gone forever. I was going to say the reason that she's so like chill is because it was the fifties and like, dude, the prices of everything was amazing. And America was just chugging along real good. So she's like, I just murdered my husband, but even the loony bins going to be better than 2024 is rent.
1950s Lifestyle and Film Elements
00:27:43
Speaker
Tell you right now, my wife, my wife was sitting there watching it and she's like,
00:27:49
Speaker
What is going on? They have a maid. She doesn't work. He's just in the basement all day doing a science project. It's like, what does she do with her life? And my wife's like, honestly, I want that. That's where the Montreal Quebec life, bro, at the time. Yeah. Where is Bailey? Bailey didn't want to talk about that the fly original. She had it. She hated this movie. So. Oh, OK. Yeah. Damn.
00:28:19
Speaker
But yeah I asked her, I was like, you're not recording. Are you recording with us tonight? And she was like, no, I hated that movie. I was like, OK. Nice. before Before it's over, would you be able to get her to come in and and tell us that she hates it, though?
00:28:32
Speaker
probably, probably. She's in her pajamas already, but she'll probably come in and do it. So if she, if she could give her the, if she gives us her final fucking score on it, bury this movie, Bailey, Barry, give it a big, you know, big finger. Just like, you know, whatever her come up. All right, Jonathan, we we cut you off before you got to your school.
00:28:51
Speaker
It's all good. yeah um it and Also, with it being Vincent Price who's coming up at the time, like his character Francois, like I wish there would have been more from him, you know, um the the lack of concern for his brother, you know, kind of sucks. But I mean, I guess they're super chill and lax like that and in the 50s in Quebec, I don't know, successful people and all and having more money would know what to do with whatever. So he's up being a rich playboy, you know, whatever.
00:29:19
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ah But yeah, aside from that, I'd give it a three. um
00:29:25
Speaker
Okay. So his you mentioned his brothers just chill and relax about his brother's death, but so is the son. Well, Philippe doesn't really know what's going on. Everyone's keeping him in the shadows for the sonnet just being weird around him. Which is unfair, but the son's just like goofy, the whole the whole movie.
00:29:48
Speaker
So after the character, we have the music and sound design for this one, music and sound design. um i mean there there There it is, there it is. Well, it just nothing nothing particularly stood out. ah The music works with whatever the scene's calling for. um Sound design wise, I can only point to the the cosmic cat meow,
00:30:16
Speaker
as far as like something that I remember sound design wise from the movie. Since it just did its job to me, I'm going to go ahead and give this the middle of the road three. I don't, i don't you know, there was nothing there that Yeah, nothing stood out. So I'm going to accept the cat meow. So that's it's going to get that three for the cats meow. man Cosmic cat meow all day. But um I do I do like the the sound effects for the the transmitter. But that's just you know, it just seems like stock sci-fi noises or whatever. There's nothing really. Yes. And I think I. I think I like it for that vintage feel. It's that vintage sci-fi stock sound. It's fun, but yeah it's not remarkable.
00:31:02
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Right, right. That's where I would fall with it. I'll just give that the score in the sound design at three. um I'm sure there's going to be some fucking fifties nerd out there who's like, the knocks on the table were recorded immaculately. Did you know that they might that five different ways under the table, over the table? There was a camera hidden in the fly's asshole. I'm like, ah or or a microphone rather. I'm like, OK, dude. But yeah, actually. are yeah Yeah.
00:31:32
Speaker
i I'm always struck by, so when we did a House of Wax, I also have to compare it to that Vincent Price movie from the same decade. ah The music in that movie was gorgeous. The music in the original House of Wax is beautiful. This had some good music, but the majority of this film has no music. There is some.
00:31:59
Speaker
But I was struck by how silent most of the background sounds are. They kind of lean into those sci-fi effects for sound and it works. It's just not remarkable. We get some good opening credit music that, yeah, it goes from horror to kind of cutesy and romantic, I guess. But then it's over. And I didn't really hear those themes come back in the film in a way that was remarkable. ah Like you said, the cosmic cat thing when he vanishes that cat and we just hear it echoing in space. That was cool. I thought that was clever. I wish it would have like come back to to haunt him later in different parts. yeah du That would have been all allw over his head, like the telltale heart.
00:32:46
Speaker
Yes. And he hears the cat because he just absent mindedly like, Oh, you want some milk cat? I'm going to disintegrate you and reintegrate you right now. Right now. Because you're just pigs. some ah Like totally unprompted. Does anyone remember the cat's name? Because the cat's name is Epic.
00:33:05
Speaker
Dello, Dilla, something. Dilla didn't. It gave me. So there's a big series by Stephen King called The Dark Tower. And there's there's a character in that story that has the same name as this cat. And I was like, hell, yeah. Dandelow. That's what it is. I was like, cause I was like, Dandelion. That's what I do. Dandelow is such a badass fucking name and little. I named it after this.
00:33:28
Speaker
I hope so, dude, probably like he might have because, you know, he's a horror nut. Yeah. And I ah just for a little little dark tower trivia out there, Dandelou is the same species as Pennywise. Same, exact same creature type thing. Yeah. Crustacean spider. Well, inter interdimensional.
00:33:52
Speaker
beast from the fucking void, like whatever. I forget what Stephen King calls his his void, but he's got this void area in his universe.
Sound Design and Music Comparison
00:34:01
Speaker
And um yeah, that's where those things. But Zing, that's that's where those things reside and in his ass. Well, you've been to my home. Help me. Help me. give but All right. So I get I get music and sound design at three.
00:34:21
Speaker
The only other thing I really remember was him slurping his food every night and putting his towel over. That was it. I'll do that scene where he's like trying to pull that steak apart with his one hand, but then he's like, fuck it, I'm going to use my fly hand to, yeah, stabbing the steak, ripping it like damn poor Andre. It's like wrapping it around his fingers to shred it. Yeah. I just think it's weird to ask for milk with brandy in it. Oh, that seems kind of rough. oh Yeah, that's disgusting. What the fuck were they doing, man? Why were they doing that? Just bring just a glass of milk with a bunch of sugar in it, maybe, but whatever. Yeah, brandy milk and brandy. The fuck. Is that a thing? I have no idea. Is that it a is that a french Canadian thing where I'm going to do something? I'm going to I'm going.
00:35:15
Speaker
Uh, when I was, when I was a kid, um, or rather growing up, I found out later that like something that parents would do, like, let's say the, like a child had a toothache or something like that. Baby, you know, um, crying, crying, crying. They would dip their thimble or no, not thimble. That's for sewing. What's the thing on a bottle, ah the nipple?
00:35:42
Speaker
yeahrefore yeah but if i feel I feel like there's a different word for the thing on a bottle. I've i've had two kids. Anyway, spout they would dip it in in whiskey and and then feed the baby the milk with the with the tip dipped in whiskey. That way you know it's not crazy. Sometimes you use like a rag or something. You could do that. Is that a thing too?
00:36:04
Speaker
Yeah. OK. That's like a cough remedy. oldfaed copman I think it's just if a baby was was upset, like they were hurting something and you didn't have medicine or whatever, but you got what is their teething. Yeah. Yeah. And and it's it's not going to get them fucked up or nothing, but it just yeah, like you're saying, it's just going to chill that out. So we didn't do that with our children because we had medicine. But, you know, um get your baby stroke.
00:36:31
Speaker
ah yeah yeah I'm not hating on the old ways. I'm just saying we didn't do that shit. You should probably. It probably got done to me like for real. Parenting tips on the average. Yeah. Things your peers won't admit they did raising you outdated parenting tips courtesy. Don't drop your baby on a 10. We don't recommend these, but they have been done. ah So apparently there is a.
00:36:58
Speaker
There is something called brandy milk punch cocktail that is brandy milk and vanilla. No, I'm good. I would try some recipe. Yeah, some recipes call for like sugar in it or powdered sugar. Well, maybe it's not too far off from eggnog. I guess like an eggnog brandy. Just right. Right. I love eggnog. So yes, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm being crazy. Maybe that is OK. Because because because it it does it does seem gross, right? Like just the thought of it.
00:37:29
Speaker
But just milk and brandy, but eggnog, different story. Because because like I'm me and I will I will try pretty much any sort of ingestion. If that's a word of something once, I would definitely try the the cocktail. I wish I could vouch for it. Maybe maybe, Tim, that should be something that y'all y'all do at some point, do some sort of ah milk and brandy cocktail, you know, for one of the movies.
00:37:59
Speaker
Tomorrow night's episode, Jonathan and I will start it out by trying milk brandy shots and see if it's any good. Oh shit. Probably not. I don't know. I got a little cash just to waste. I could buy a small bottle of brandy. There you go. I got a gallon of milk in the fridge. Seeing the guy on ah Instagram. I don't cause I'm lactose intolerant. So mine would have to be like coconut milk. Uh,
00:38:25
Speaker
There's a guy on Instagram who just mixes like every bit. He'll do mixing. The last one I saw was mixing Jager until I like it. And he mixes it everything. And then he always has a punchline about what happens. We used to call he makes the year with ranch dressing. No, no, dude. What the fuck? It's.
00:38:47
Speaker
I'm going to send it to both of you. We used to call Jagermeister the man drink because you had to be a man to drink it because it's so fucking nasty and. Besides, a besides a Jager bomb, what's that?
00:39:03
Speaker
I love the taste of a Yager bomb. I think a Yager bomb tastes delicious. I was going to say early 20s to a max in it, dude, to early 2000s, Northwest burbs of Chicago, Chicago, general, everyone just Yager bomb, Yager bomb, Yager bomb, Yager bomb, Yager bomb, Yager bomb, Yager bomb. Besides a Yager bomb, which I can, I can enjoy Yagermeister straight brother, that needs to be fresh out the freezer and it has to have been in the freezer for like eight hours. I can take a shot or two. Anything after that, if you let that bottle sit there outside that fucking freezer, no, don't do it guys. I'll do it. I had some friends one time but that value they had, I guess that you, I guess it was a fifth. I don't know. It's the big bottle of Jager, not the you know pretty pretty big, um, the handle.
00:39:54
Speaker
Yeah, they they were like, we don't want this. We know you enjoy booze. You can have it. And I was like, well, I don't have anything else. I'm going to watch anger video game nerd tonight and get drunk off this Jaeger. Oh, That is the last time I've ever drank Jaeger straight. And the year was 2000. And I want to say nine or 10 somewhere around there.
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah. Bad. in case Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't puke. I did not puke. I woke up the next day. Just horrible. Just horrible. um I drank the whole thing in one night, like in probably like a four or five hour span. I drink the whole motherfucker.
00:40:43
Speaker
Oh, you know what? No, no, it was 2011 because I had just lost my mom. And that's that's where that's where that was going. I was like burying, you know, drowning my sorrows, as they say. So, um yeah. So thanks, Jagermeister. You came in clutch. I enjoyed watching AVGN that night, but um didn't enjoy the next morning. Not not at all. No, Siri Bob. but I think a little time after that around about, I was working at Buffalo Wild Wings bartending, and I met this dude that worked there, Matt. Me and him became really good friends, and he was all about that Jager life. He had his own dispenser machine in his living room. And one night, we just kept doing Jager bombs all night, and I got to the point where I was up all night and I drank myself sober. It was ridiculous. I've did never had that happen before.
00:41:33
Speaker
But I was like, OK, well, I'm not tired, but I'm just going to go home like whatever. And it's like 10 in the morning. Like, yeah, I'm fine. Whatever. Cool. Never again. ah No. How does that happen? How does someone um I mean, I know this is not the time or place to to get into this conversation, but I want to pose this question to the average audience. And please, when this episode drops is getting trimmed. Oh, yeah. When it drops on social media, I want you all to hit up Tim and Jonathan and let them know because I want to I want to be informed as well.
00:42:01
Speaker
Have you ever drank, drank yourself, drinking yourself, drank yourself sober and, uh, I'm not going to Google this. I want the audience to please explain how is that even physically possible because I've also done it. Uh, and it's, it's a bizarre feeling to be drinking your drunk and then you slowly sober up and you're still drinking and you're just like, Oh, well that's over.
00:42:27
Speaker
Yeah, so it's odd. oh Yeah. Let us know the average on Facebook and Instagram and all the places. I don't know all of them, but yeah. Yeah. Oh, I want to know. i'm I'm curious about this. I want to hear stories. Travis, you're the only person I've ever heard who has somewhat of a Jaeger. Hangover story. Yeah.
00:42:53
Speaker
Yeah, dude, it was brutal. I mean, I don't know. Like, I probably didn't eat that night, um which was typical at the time. And like I said, I was dealing with going through the grieving process. Alcohol is not the way to turn when you're grieving for somebody, but a lot of people do. I did.
00:43:14
Speaker
um I probably drank myself silly for about three months, but not every night, but most nights. And then decided one day that was enough. You know, I did it. It's so it's over. But yeah, that Jaeger that Jaeger night was was hellacious, man. but or The next morning was rather I went to bed fine that night. I was having a bed. I was like, yeah, this is awesome. I hate the taste of this licorice shit. But ah yeah, not a fan of black licorice. And to me, Jaeger tastes like black licorice. I hate it.
00:43:47
Speaker
Oh, it does. Yep. Yep. I agree. Uh, John, actually get your score for a music and sound design. Did you get? I was talking about. No. All right. Travis and I were three. We went on a tangent and drinking. how Oh, it was it was that damn brandy milk. Yeah, the brandy milk. Oh,
Special Effects and Editing
00:44:09
Speaker
yeah. with So, yeah, I mean, I liked the the intro credits music. um It was very theatrical and I liked that. It was kind of cool for kind of setting a tone for the drama.
00:44:19
Speaker
um you know than getting to hear that buzz of the fly at the start you know it's like oh flies right away versus. In the eighties version where it takes forever before a fly finally pops up like we mentioned before. But yeah the sci-fi sounds of the equipment and everything you know but that was cool.
00:44:40
Speaker
you know, the the sucking versions of it sucking on his brandy milk of grossness. But other than that, everything else is pretty much there's nothing really remarkable about the rest of it. you I mean, you get to hear the sound of that press as it's coming down, um which is kind of cool, getting those those industrial sounds there. But other than that, it was just kind of a whatever thing on popping. Yeah. But it was cool. It was OK for what it was. i So I gave it a three is whatever.
00:45:06
Speaker
Can we mention that real quick, too, that the beginning of this movie does start with blood? There is blood physically on the ground. Yeah. That I was I was genuinely shocked at how much blood they showed. Yeah, me too. Like I was like, oh, shit.
00:45:25
Speaker
Yeah, I is set the tone for a different movie.
00:45:31
Speaker
I was like, Oh man. And this, this is intense. What are we getting into? And you almost, you almost expect inside out cat later, but you don't get it. mayor man ah yeah I thought, I thought there would be like a smear of blood or something, you know, after what showed us, but no, that leads perfectly into our editing and special effects as the next category, because I, that blood kicks it off.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yes, good, good, good, good segue. um The Blood does kick it off. Editing-wise, i I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the title sequence. um I'm a big fan of a good title card and a good title sequence. I don't mind if it's playing while the movie starts and that you know like that's fine when they do that too.
00:46:24
Speaker
It's just I like it when it's catching my attention. This one caught my attention. And you mentioned earlier the music during it. So all of that for the title sequence. Really cool. The blood on the fucking hydraulic press. Really cool. Editing wise, this is the fifties. I'm not expecting anything insane. And the movie was serviceable when it came to how it was edited. ah You know, I don't I don't remember you know like And I'm not a film expert as far as the techniques of filmmaking go, but I don't remember dolly shots or anything like that. Maybe they didn't even exist yet. I don't know. I don't know. But um serviceable camera work and what and and what the editing was doing there and special effects wise,
00:47:18
Speaker
I mean, look, that cool, cheesy 1950s glow effect on the transmitter was cool with that sound effect as as as. I like how tonight's word is ah not well, it's remarkable, not remarkable, unremarkable, not not stand out, but like still cool. And yeah, the. um the you could I guess you could it sound part of the sound design so I can't really bring in cosmic at me out there but uh I'll say that the fly man effects with the fly claw for an arm the head and that lends to a category we're gonna get to in a little bit I'm sure the performance of ah the wife's reaction but but the reveal of the fly man
00:48:10
Speaker
He doesn't have a cool brundle Brundle fly name in this movie, but I guess we's he's Andre Fly or whatever. um I thought that was really neat for the time. And I would like if I film this, if I made this movie, I would be super proud of this movie. OK, I'd be over the moon with this movie. And that goes to the special effects at the end. We get the scene we'll talk about when it comes to the hit factor.
00:48:37
Speaker
But that was really cool. I enjoyed it. yeah You can bring it up now. It's a good time. OK, well. To save it mostly for the hit factor, I enjoyed the puppet work and whatever filming techniques they did to get that spider as close to the scientist head on the fly body as possible while trapped in the spider web. I thought it was neat i and also kind of low key horrifying like fuck that man. I wouldn't want to be in that situation. I was watching it like well done 1958 well done. um But all that being said, it's nothing that's gonna like I'll remember some of this for sure because of how memorable some of it is but there's a lot of it that's not super memorable to me. It's just gonna be there and it's it's fine. I'll give it
00:49:36
Speaker
I'll give it a four only because of the stuff that will be coming up later. I don't know if I should bleed one category into the other, but I feel like for this moment, it's necessary. So I'll give the editing and special effects of four for 1958 standards. And I don't know a lot about 50s horror movies or sci-fi movies. I've seen maybe two handfuls in my whole life. It's not my expertise. So take that, you know, take my rating with the grain of salt, but watching this movie for this podcast now compared to the fucking remake.
00:50:13
Speaker
right I mean, come on, dude. ah yeah yeah I know y'all rate rate all these things one out of five for these categories. The remake in this category is a goddamn 10 out of five. But ah yeah, so like take again, take that for what you will. But for 1958, I'm going to give this a fucking a four, like fucking solid, man. I enjoyed it. So that that's a good.
00:50:39
Speaker
good point for me to bring up like the way I kind of look at fives is timeless and the 80s Cronenberg remake has timeless effects that today look fantastic this one like you said well done 1950s It's it's fun. It is cool to see like what they did with what they had. And in the same way, it is to like watch all like Lost in Space or Star Trek. It's enjoyable and cute. ah I was impressed with the fly head. I thought the fly head looked really good, really, really good.
00:51:25
Speaker
i i was I was thoroughly impressed with that. Honestly, the claw less good, ah but still good. But overall, man, the fly makeup head and costume. ah It was incredibly detailed for that time, but it was apparently very uncomfortable, which I could definitely believe. So. He didn't he didn't like wearing it, especially for the close up shots.
00:51:57
Speaker
Well, he only did he only have to, he only had to do it like a handful of times, right? In the movie or yeah, they there really wasn't that much of it. Yeah. yeah but so Was that, was that the actor himself under the, the, the, uh, prosthetics or was that like a, that's what it says. Oh, wow. Cool. Good. Good. Yep. So.
00:52:22
Speaker
i I did give it a four because I was impressed with the fly. I even thought that the cutting of the disintegrator reintegrator, having things vanish, you know, flashing lights, whatever, it wasn't special, but it was well done. Yeah. So. Oh, how about the. not family The destruction of the lab. I know. I mean, I don't know if this is special effects, but it's it's stunt work. It's it's the set being destroyed like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That whole sequence was pretty cool. Like I liked it. Yeah. ye The biggest thing that I couldn't get over, though, that really hurt me.
00:53:03
Speaker
And it took me out of the last scene with that. I wanted to, I wanted to get into the puppetry. Like you mentioned, the puppetry was good. That stuff was good. But when we pulled back and we're looking at Vincent Price and the police officer, and we just have this giant plastic spider on this spider web of i yarn. I like that though. I like it. I do.
00:53:26
Speaker
All right. and And this is for the average listeners who don't know the nightclub. um We talk about horror movies mostly. We've delved outside of it a little bit, sword and sorcery and maybe some other movies that are like action oriented or whatever. But I'm. I like. All sorts of movies, I like everything from hereditary right to fucking.
00:53:53
Speaker
ah Troll two, right? So yeah so and and I can appreciate it for right. And so like when it comes to something that cheesy and and out of left field, like so far the movie had better special effects than that moment. But when I see it, I can't help but smile and be like, they look at what they're doing. I like that. And it works with the movie to me. um So just, you know, for the listeners, my I compare myself often to Roger Ebert, except for his taste in horror. He was harsh on horror movies. I'm not. But he seemed to like a lot of movies, even some movies that people didn't necessarily love. I'm easy i'm kind of easy to please if I can tell there's conviction. be like if if If people really gave a fuck about what they were making,
00:54:48
Speaker
and it comes across, you sell me. I'm there for it. Even if the acting's not the best or whatever, I can give something a better score than most people would. And I guess that's just years of watching all these different types of movies and and then also doing the podcast and talking to people, having good conversations with friends and and guests.
Film Grading and Script Effectiveness
00:55:10
Speaker
It just kind of opens up that part of you that you you want it You want to grade things on a curve sometimes. Sometimes. um Darkness falls. I'm looking at you. You fucking suck. You suck.
00:55:25
Speaker
that movie That movie should have been better than it was, and they had competent people, competent everything, and they made a mediocre-ass fucking movie. That's the one movie I always go back to that I'm like, you had a great idea, and a great opening scene, a great cold open, and you just fucking shit the bed. Why did you shit the bed so mediocrity-like? ah Darkness Falls. Darkness Falls, everybody. Fuck that movie. Go watch it, but don't.
00:55:53
Speaker
No, I like the rubber spider. So, yes, it's just fun. It's fun. OK, OK. I'm a four. Travis is a four. Jonathan, where you fall on this on? Well, so I thought the editing was cool, like even in the parts where like the machine is going out. Fuck my elbow. God damn bitches. ah You hit your funny bone, bro.
00:56:20
Speaker
um Oh, no. Oh, he's Peter Griffin now. but Tell bastard. What was the same? ah editing and special effects. Yeah, so like the I like the cuts. yeah You could kind of you're really paying attention. You can see the kind of transition with the effects when the ah the machine does the teleportation thing, when the light flashes. You know, they they I think cut that pretty decently. I think for the time, it's not seamless, but still done pretty well.
00:56:51
Speaker
um I like the overlays to colors and all like the the bright lights of all the the fluorescent tubing that they got set up in all the transistor looking stuff that was really agreeable. um But kind of throwing back to sound, though, like when you see Andre as his flight counterpart in the Web, and you're hearing that that helped me help me. That little high pitched note. Well, that's a price. I will. Francois sitting on the bench like it looks like he's just kind of like often dreamland but you're not sure if he's hearing the sound or not even though we all hear it you know but then just like how striking that is at the end like during that whole thing with how they overlaid those shots and like you said with the puppetry of the spider i like how he gets like closer and closer closer into the camera
00:57:38
Speaker
as you see that. So, you know, it had to be a pretty big thing with cameras at the time, didn't really maybe have the best miniaturization, but even at the that ah during the tile, the intro tiles for the credits, when you do see that fly coming through the hole, you know, I thought it was, you know, kind of really cool as part of the that editing for it.
00:57:56
Speaker
um But other than the special effects, I mean, the blood, like Tim was saying, that looked pretty cool. And it wasn't like that cheesy bright red kind of blood. It was a little bit dick a little bit darker and it had a little more, it looked like a little more thin, like more like blood viscosity would have, you know? ah So I thought that was pretty cool for for how they did that.
00:58:18
Speaker
um I would have liked to see some kind of flattened bug action now for the parts of him or with what happens with them wrapped up in the web at the end. Yeah, I would have liked to see in some like little kind of shot of something smashed, you know. um But other than that, I thought it was decent for what it was. um I think three is pretty fair. Yeah. Nice. OK. Oh, yeah. OK. All right. Into.
00:58:47
Speaker
The script. ah So not the story, but how the story are you is portrayed.
00:58:56
Speaker
Again, um I'm going to and I will tie it into the story for me. I don't have a problem with this. um ah think it's a good script i if again if i a ro written this movie if how to wrote in this movie god i'm from louisiana if id ri now i result this movie ah tell you what if i'd ever written wrote this movie i'd be so proud right now ah then made some of myself ah I saw that clip from from Deadpool Wolverine, by the way, I didn't see the movie yet, but I saw that clip of ah oh, dude, so fucking awesome movie Channing Tatum fucking because guys growing up watching the 90s X-Men cartoon and I'm from Louisiana. I'm not a comic book reader, um not for hate. I just never was one. I love comic books yeah as as a medium.
00:59:46
Speaker
I just didn't read them, but um I watch got a fat stack over here on the shelf. You can't see that I have yet to read. It's like seriously a stack like this. And I hope hopefully one day I find myself in that world. I would love to. I've read manga, but ah just never got into comics. You want to know where to. You know, the show Creepshow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a comic book. It's fantastic. Nice. Yeah, they're based on the old comics structured.
01:00:18
Speaker
It's very it's like a spiritual successor to it. But yeah, but it is. It is. Do you have the cream show ones, John? I don't have my seasons. There's like five issues that come out. OK, there's like five all these companies that come out in five months leading up. Oh, wow. That's cool. Yeah.
01:00:41
Speaker
But the the creep show being a horror guy, the creep show stuff season three is starting next month. It's a good place to jump on. It's fun. They're fun. They're fun stories. There's usually two per book. They're written by ah recent horror authors or.
01:00:59
Speaker
or script writers. It's pretty good stuff. But not to interrupt your story. Oh, no, no, it's well. But but to harp on it for just a second, like because I do illustrate and always have since I was a kid, like comics was something I naturally should have been into. And it's just like my mom bought me a few growing up.
01:01:24
Speaker
that i would what we'd walk through, let's say your drugstore or whatever, Walmart, and you'd see the comics, and I'd be like, mom, can I get this one? and Back in the day, I mean, what was a comic like a dollar or something or whatever? So, yeah, she'd get me one. Right. Yeah. i had I had a small stack, but I never followed stories. And I feel like I missed out on a lot of that with all these fans that are um loving the MCU and the DC stuff. But I but I'm a movie guy and a cartoon guy. So I did grow up with those versions of all this before, you know, the the latest incarnation. But what we never got was Gambit.
01:02:02
Speaker
Done right. And I haven't seen the new Deadpool Wolverine film yet. But I did see a clip. Oh, I will. I will. I'm not in theaters. I can't afford it right now, but um I will definitely watch it because I'm a fan of the first two and I'm a fan of Hugh Jack. Dude, my birthday.
01:02:22
Speaker
When the movie came out,
Personal Stories and Memories
01:02:23
Speaker
X-Men came out, the first one, my birthday party was going with my friends to go watch X-Men in theaters. So, because I grew up watching the 90s cartoon and I loved Gambit, loved Gambit. I'm like, Gambit's the best. He wasn't in the movies. I'm like, what the fuck? And then Channing Tatum showing up and I saw the clip on Instagram of him being like,
01:02:45
Speaker
It's only polite if you ask to drink my liquor. And ah he's like, well, good thing I don't give a fuck. Wolverine says, and he's like, you cool young and he throws that fucking card. And I don't know if do y'all nightclub listeners are going to notice, but do y'all know what a cool young is? I do not. A cool young. You you explained it to me last time you. Oh, OK. But go ahead. Yeah. for For Jonathan and for the average listeners, a cool young is what the Cajun folk which I'm Cajun, we call, that's a silly person, a quote unquote dumb ass. Just someone who don't know what the fuck they're doing or, you know, it's like, look at that cool. Y'all look at him. Golly fire that cool. Y'all. So yeah, to see gambit was dope. Why did I go off on a gambit tangent?
01:03:37
Speaker
Comic books and I don't know. Uh, talking about the script, but the script. Sorry.
01:03:47
Speaker
No, it's okay. I'm trying to backtrack it too, but yeah. Yeah. I had a, i feel like I had a point with that one, but maybe I didn't. Um, I'll give it, I'll give it this. The script is fine. Is it a remarkable, like y'all been saying? No, it's not remarkable. It's fine.
01:04:06
Speaker
I think it tracks with the story. That's what I was tying that into, like the story, the script, it all plays together. It's all good. It's not as good as Cronenberg script or whoever wrote the script for k Cronenberg's movie. I don't remember if it was him or someone else. And I don't have that pulled up. wrote it um well the one like Okay. You, you check on that. But like, and again, I'm not a 1950s horror sci-fi guy. Like that's not my,
01:04:33
Speaker
area, uh, sixties, seventies, basically after the fifties, I know a lot about, uh, I know a little, I know a lot about a little or a little about a lot. I don't know. Vice versa ah stuff stuff, stuff and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So I'm impressed with it. I like, I liked the dialogue. Um, and if the script had what it called for, like what they shot, I think that's very well done.
01:05:02
Speaker
I'll go ahead and give the script. Ah. Y'all don't do point fives, do y'all? We have, we've we've done some havesies here and there. Can I do a half?
01:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, I would give it a three point five. Just a half. You're just going to get a half. Oh, what? No, three no, no. I'm going to give it a three point five. I want to tell the average this is two for the for the folks that aren't seeing it on YouTube. My boy Tim has painted his nails and he paints them black. And I went out when I walked inside to grab a beer a minute ago.
01:05:39
Speaker
I told my girlfriend, I said, Tim's so fucking cool, dude. She's like, what's up? I'm like, that motherfucker paints his nails. And I knew this from a previous episode. I don't know if it was when you were on the nightclub or when we did another thing, but another average ah recording. But. I was like, he paints his nails black and it's dope. She's like, you could. And I was like.
01:06:01
Speaker
Could, couldn't I? Nothing's stopping you, bro. Nothing's stopping me, dude. I think I'm going to show up with a black fucking fingernail polish. du Dude, I love it. I think it's so and awesome.
01:06:13
Speaker
I'm getting hard right now. Hell yeah. Hell Yeah. 3.5 for the fucking script. There you go. Three and a half masts. And a 10 out of 10 for Travis's black nails. So the yeah the script was Cronenberg and Charles Edward Pogue. Nice. Nice. So the two of them wrote that. Good.
01:06:38
Speaker
So you gave it three and a half. The script is one of my biggest issues with this film. i I have qualms with, I feel like it is two separate stories. I feel like we get a 45 minute to an hour Twilight Zone but about this scientist who is mixed with a fly.
01:07:06
Speaker
And then we get that 30 minute lead up to it at the beginning that isn't like other than seeing the squishy squishy goodness at the beginning, like it's her in bed talking about the white headed fly for 30 minutes. And then we get to the story of what happened and we get to that story. And I just felt like I,
01:07:35
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I felt like part of this was an excuse to get Vincent Price in there because he was popular at the time because he has almost nothing to do with the fly story itself. This is your show. It is all being told back to him later. I don't want to. There's one scene where he shows up. OK, OK. There is one scene where he shows up. But does he interact with the fly? That's what I can't remember.
01:08:06
Speaker
Uh, no, not what? at the beginning He never has any interaction with his brother after the transformation. Yeah. Well, didn't he really have any interaction with it at all through the film personally? that That's that's what I thought. And so I feel like we're bookended by Vincent Price. And the story itself is something Like I love Vincent Price and I feel like he was wasted in this film and brought in to bring people who loved Vincent Price in. I want to watch Vincent Price turn into the fly. Sorry. That's what this ah this sounds like what I want. It sounds like a personal grudge against the script. Not so much a critique. It's it's not. And it is both. Oh, I feel. I feel like it was clumsy in the way it executed this.
01:08:58
Speaker
So, and I am impressed at the fact that Cronenberg and Charles Edward Pogue, David Edward, what what was his name? I'm terrible, and that Charles Edward Pogue took one line and an idea from this film and made the movie they did. right ah did that That blows my mind because they took one line of a man being in the pod with a fly and getting like fantastic.
01:09:27
Speaker
And that story just flows so nicely. This one. Can I ask you this, Tim? Do you think do you think that, though, let's say i' um'm I'm hearing you on the getting the Vincent Price because of the popularity. Valid point. um I like to me, I don't know. I know Vincent Price was was hot shit back then. Like, so there's a fair, fair play. Get Vincent Price involved. It will give your movie marketability.
01:09:57
Speaker
But do you not think that Vincent Price had to read the same script where the story starts? Because see, I like that about the script where it it it starts as this mystery element and then you get the flashback after the buildup. I thought that was cool. So me and you don't we don't gel on this part of it. But but do you think the script was written that way before Vincent Price ever read it? Like like what?
01:10:26
Speaker
You know, that's what I don't know. That's where I am saying I feel like. It wasn't working. Maybe there was studio in there that was like, we need to get Vincent Price on board. How can we bring him into something that we've already mostly completed? Oh, you know, so you think they shot or were, yeah, no, well, a shot like the majority of that film and then was like, let's bookend it this way.
01:10:54
Speaker
Yes. And it feels like, an interesting yes, that is, that is what I got from it. The other issue I had with the script is I feel like it spends a ton of time and I, this is, it feels like it probably doesn't, it probably doesn't, but I feel like they spend forever searching for this fly.
01:11:18
Speaker
And I'm being I'm being hyperbolic here, but it takes up way more time than necessary of people because it happens three times. It happens at the beginning when there's a fly in her room with the detectives and where's that fly? Where's that fly? Where's that fly? And then it happens in the middle of the story. Then in the middle, he sends that note about finding the fly with the white head. And it's like it felt like 10 minutes.
01:11:48
Speaker
of them running around the house. She recruits her son, she recruits everybody, the maid, go find this fly. And the maid's like, oh, it's just a fly. And she tries to kill a fly in the kitchen. And we have that. And then the end of the movie is like, you saw the fly? Yeah, I saw the fly. Well, I saw the fly. Then they go get the fly. So there was way too much of that for me. All of that Maybe I'm nitpicking. I feel like the script was padded. To make it hit 90 minutes to make it hit an hour and a half. I think it might even be shorter than that. But what I'm getting at, I feel like they took the story, patted it to run that length, maybe wrote some Vincent Price scenes in after most of it had been shot. Like we said, I don't think he interacts with his brother at all.
01:12:43
Speaker
other than the final scene. Never in frame together. And even that is right cut. So. Yes, they're not in frame together, so that is where I come in on that. I didn't really dock it on the story for all this, but I'm going to hear. I give it a two on the script. I think the script is OK. I don't think it's bad, but I definitely think it could have been better.
01:13:08
Speaker
Yeah, I know. See, I told you I felt like I was being harsh on this movie. I came in there. I think the script is just OK. Yeah, there's that too. Yeah, there it is. There it is. OK, well, you know, that's OK. There's nothing wrong with that, man. That's how you feel. That's how you feel. It is what it is.
01:13:24
Speaker
ah For me, I i actually liked the the the dialogue. I like how it's written, the exchanges, um especially with Andre talking to Helen and his is sense of hopefulness for the future and how he's explaining the science and everything that's possible. I thought it was really cool. um and i mean I know yeah Seth Brundle yeah He had his own kind of take that and he got really spastic and crazy about involving the flesh and all. So I mean, this is very lackluster in contrast, but I i liked that 50 scientific hopefulness for the future that kind of comes through that. I just had an idea. Jonathan, I have to share with you.
01:14:06
Speaker
What if he'd have been like, imagine honey, you could take a shit into this, into this pod and, and transport it away. in so like Everyone will be taking shits into toilets that have these transmitters in them that like teleported to some fucking island somewhere. And the natives there are just like, why is this shit pod keep getting bigger and bigger? Where's it coming from?
01:14:30
Speaker
Be so twisted. Dude, that's what entered my fucking mind when you were talking about the the transmitter and his hopefulness for the future. Sorry, I did not mean to cut you off. I just ah that that shit was in my head for a minute. And I'm like, God, damn, I got to tell these boys. I just saw your face.
01:14:50
Speaker
I just saw your face a light up and you like trying to hold back and stifle a laugh and I'm like, oh, what is it? It's my stupid brain having stupid thoughts. I get them all the time, dude. It's OK.
01:15:05
Speaker
ah But as I've let the. Yeah, I really liked the amount of dialogue, how it's set up even between Francois and the inspector, ah between Francois and Helen and everything. And then especially, you know, through the whole story and like how There's just how I just really liked it a lot versus what you kind of get now with with the type of dialogue and all the like word vomit that kind of comes up between and a lot of stuff. ah But there are some fun lines, too, that I really enjoyed, like when um Francois and Philippe are sitting there having dinner at his place and he's given this kid watered down wine. And he's like, this is really good. Oh, that's kind of goofy. But jonathan what what about the that? It's the same scene. I laughed out loud at this. The kid says you're gonna it's going to be what I was just about to say. OK, go ahead, go ahead.
01:15:56
Speaker
So they were talking about, you know, how Helen's acting and because she changed her mind. You know how women are. And he's like, what? A little 10 year old boy saying some shit like this is like, damn, that's the fifties, bro. yeah Yeah. But still, I fucking cracked up pretty hard to that when I was like, damn, they really had to break that shit in there, didn't they? Like, yeah, they did. Typical for the times. What the fuck? It was funny, though. I ain't gonna lie.
01:16:22
Speaker
Yeah, was I love that. is Damn good part. But then also there was the part where they're out in the garden um when Andre's kind of chilling after his kind of breakthrough situation and it was a teach.
01:16:37
Speaker
you're frightened by progress and I'm filled with the wonder of it. Like that that's pretty sweet solid line, you know especially after all the talk he's already had up to that point about the developments with this project for the future. yeah So I thought that was pretty kick ass.
01:16:53
Speaker
um And even when they're talking about like between Francois and the inspector after finally seeing the fly and everything and how they're going to spin this, since now they know that she's not crazy as shit. You know, I thought it was cool, but that although it kind of irks me that last bit where Francois shows up to take Philippe to the zoo and mom said that you should tell me about, you know, what happened with my dad, like why blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, dude, that bitch is going to pass the buck instead of like And say to a kid and then him having to be like, oh, your dad was kind of an an explorer. And then the fleet be like, you know what? I want to be just like my dad. I want to be an explorer, too. Which, of course, then you get, you know, return of the fly later on, which, you know, it's still kind of same with the remakes. Second yeah sequel for that as well with the sun carrying on. Yeah. Dad's work kind of situation, which is cool. But I don't know about that. Oh, yeah.
01:17:48
Speaker
Oh, look what you got there, Tim. He's got the fly collection. Oh, is that a that's Blu-ray, bro? Yeah, Blu-ray, the fly and then the curse of the fly. We got the curse of the fly. There's more. We got. Oh, the fly. Yeah. And then we got ah see the whole five movie set. Wow. factory man That is dope. Shell factory. Shout out to Shell factory on the average.
01:18:18
Speaker
Yeah, but because of that, because of how it's written, I I liked it and I enjoyed that a lot. So I gave it a four for the script. Nice. All right. Delivery is a different story. Delivery is a different story. But I like the script. The extra step that I was scared to. Jonathan, I was scared to. So I'm I'm going to change it now. Now that I now that Jonathan did it, I'm changing my score to a four four. I couldn't convince.
01:18:48
Speaker
either of you to come down, but John, I think for me to come up. That's right. I'm coming up. I want to go up to a four now too. I'm there with him on the script. Okay. I changed your score. Yeah. All right.
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Acting Styles and Vincent Price's Influence
01:20:52
Speaker
So this takes us to the acting. Yeah. Very, very different when it comes to that delivery versus script. So get at it. All right. Well, we'll see, we'll see how we all differ on this one because no problems.
01:21:08
Speaker
No problems. Look, I know it's a different style of acting in this movie. Um, we're used to more realistic depictions nowadays of how people talk. And I get that as much as, uh, I am a fan of that. I'm also a fan of, and kind of, it's like listening to van Morrison.
01:21:35
Speaker
Van Morrison always made me nostalgic for something I never even experienced. Never even experienced whatever he's singing about, but it it brings me back to something I didn't have. This acting style is something I did not grow up with. I didn't grow up watching these old movies, but when I see it, I can't help but be charmed by it and give it that leeway, especially when it's good like this to me. Like the interactions with the characters, the performances,
01:22:06
Speaker
I just don't see bad acting. I just see a style of acting. And um you you bring up Vincent Price a lot for this movie. yeah Tim, <unk> um speaking to you mostly here,
01:22:25
Speaker
I don't I don't see him being a detriment to the film as far as his performance goes. Is he spectacular? No. Can he be? Yes. He's fine. And he's Vincent Price. He does carry a gravitas to him, even if he's fine. He's like one of our modern actors that we love, like a Nicolas Cage. He just has a certain thing that he brings, even if he's not going 100. You're still happy to see him.
01:22:56
Speaker
So I'm happy to see Vincent Price, but Vincent Price doesn't steal the show. Helene and Andre still the show for me. They do a good job in my opinion. Everyone else is more than serviceable. They're fine they're to to good in my opinion. I'll give the ah the performances, the acting here a four. ah Nothing is going is blowing me away, but I wouldn't say anything here is And no pun intended average like there's no average acting. I think it's an acting technique of the time to over exaggerate, oversell, um maybe say things in a way that, you know, of a certain dialect that that because they're all speaking with this proper dialect that Canada. ah Come on, dude, no one sounds Canadian in this fucking movie.
01:23:53
Speaker
Vincent Price. No, I didn't get any of the inspector. Maybe, you know, that's about it. Maybe. maybe and And I didn't even pick up on that, to be honest, um ah just watching it right before the recording. I just didn't pick up on it. I was trying to I was trying to focus on just the movie and like what I like about it and maybe see what I didn't. And there was nary a thing I didn't like about this movie, and that might play into stuff later. But um Yeah, I'm going to give it a four, man. I thought the performances were good. It's 1950s. I don't. Daniel Day Lewis is not part of this movie. Like, I don't know what to expect here other than. Being entertained, and I was very entertained by these folks, so good job to the actors from my vantage point.
01:24:48
Speaker
Good, I'm just you just dropped an area in there like it was. No big deal. Well, I'm from Louisiana. Mamu, Louisiana. Look it up, everybody. I don't know what the fuck Nary even means. Oh, I do. I just I just don't hear it a lot. Kind of turned on right now. ah Bro, we're going to paint our nails black and talk and they just whisper Nary to each other. Dropping Nary. Yeah. Whisper Nary to me. um Not a nail.
01:25:23
Speaker
who So comparing this, yeah this one, I'm not even comparing it to the 1984 fly for acting. I'm comparing it to the 50s house of wax that we just recently watched. And seeing the differences in the performance there was kind of shocking to me. and because we talked about the way they acted in the 50s House of Wax and how it was more of a stage performance than a movie performance. I didn't pick up on that as much in this film.
01:26:07
Speaker
And so I like hearing that you saw the fifties time period of it differently. ah So I actually, I did change my score. This was actually my second number two because i I did not care for either of the leads. I thought Vincent did a good job with his part. I actually liked the police detective characters part.
01:26:34
Speaker
She is better than I remembered. I got i gotta admit that. so But him as the fly is where I had the biggest issue because he just seems so dry.
01:26:49
Speaker
about the whole thing. And if I'm going to compare him to Brundle, he had like this manic obsession yeah with his thing. And he was excited and he could have stopped thinking about it. And this guy's just very calm and cool. Like, oh, cool. I did this. I wonder what I can put in it next. And then, oh, the cat doesn't work. And then he's got to figure it out next. And I didn't.
01:27:14
Speaker
he does have moments of contemplation like when when he shows his wife and then he reveals to her that what he did to dandelion and he walks over to the other side of the room and you know he's he's like dealing in his mind you see through to me through the the body language he's dealing with what he did and he promises her no more live animals. And she's like, insistent on that. Like don't no more experiments on animals. That's some of the stuff that like got me into it more and also her reactions, so her reactions for us of the time they might be but dude like
01:27:55
Speaker
Even in modern horror movies, like people fucking go nuts whenever they see something they can't explain with their their brain can't comprehend. And I'm like, ah she sold me a little bit. yeah um You want to you want to hear about that? yeah I was headed there, but you you led me into it. Did you know this? What?
01:28:16
Speaker
What? So her fear, her fear was genuine because she had never seen the makeup. Oh, wow. Really kept. Yes, they kept him covered around those scenes. She never got to see that fly makeup until Filming and it showed that is one of the strong points of this is her fear reactions were great So she and that's because they were genuine and we already talked about in the special effects They did a really really good job With it so I can see why she had that reaction That's one of my favorite
01:28:58
Speaker
parts about it. So I did. She's backing up out of the lab, like and sobbing on the staircase, like, oh, my God, my husband is this shit now like that. That is fucking. And I didn't know that. And that makes me think of. um There's been a lot of horror movies where they they didn't want to meet like Freddy Krueger, for instance, certain films. The actors didn't want to see him in makeup. And then when they finally did, it was like whole shit. And also ah the new it movies and the old it miniseries, they would keep on purpose the Pennywise character away from the kids to get that genuine
01:29:48
Speaker
Terrified reaction and there' nothing like it. No, it's so good. it's So good. So you've convinced me I'm going to come up. I'm going to come up on the acting to three and a half. Oh, nice. Hell yeah. I don't think you can sway me to a four on this one. I have my issues with his performance, but she is better than She she's better than a two. So. Helene is dope. Helene is really dope. Even if I don't necessarily love the character, she does a good job. So three and a half for me. All right. I made it through that whole thing without my Internet drop. and Yeah.
01:30:36
Speaker
Now it's going to drop. But if it drops, no, no, no, no, no. Just keep talking, Jonathan. Well, for me, man, like. Like you guys were talking about, the body language in the acting style for the time, there's a lot of that coming kind of like at a medium pace and then stopping short. That's like the big signature thing from acting in those times is you see how they enter the scene, how they come up short and then start the dialogue and you know how they're connecting. it's i know It's weird, but it's okay when you think about the style for the time.
01:31:09
Speaker
um Francois, though, man, like for dude who just lost his brother, you don't see much distress on his end. It just seems really too light for me. Especially in on Helene. I was going to say I was about to dig on her. Yeah. he Dude, I think the reason is is because he's in love with that chick and the whole time, even though he lost his brother,
01:31:36
Speaker
they talk about it in the story in in in the script. Inspector. Yeah, that he like didn't marry her because she was fond of his brother and he let it go, but he stayed good friends with her.
01:31:50
Speaker
And I think that plays into his protection because throughout the movie, he's protective of her. He's like, she's not crazy. You're crazy. And and and all that, like, I think that is and I'm not I'm not I'm not I don't know what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying I feel like that's why Francois Vincent Price's character for the audience is um not. I mean, maybe not distraught. He I think he loved his brother because he all he was happy to say that his brother would always show him his latest inventions.
01:32:29
Speaker
But I think he was so in love with help Helen Helene that he shifted gears emotionally towards protecting her over and being a at the time and even some some people now you got to be strong for some people. You got to be strong. And this moment this movie just didn't give us a moment to let him emote for his brother.
01:32:55
Speaker
but also maybe he didn't give a fuck about his brother. I don't know. I don't know. He might've been, we don't know the family dynamic for real. Right, right. I'm sorry, dude. I just, whenever you, whenever you're talking and I jump in, it's not to interrupt. It's like, I want to ah interject into the thought and have that conversation about it. So, and, and earlier Tim said, yeah, let's go full blown conversation. I know y'all go round table on this show.
01:33:20
Speaker
and ah And on the night, I want to get away from that. I'm so hurt. me We go willy nilly. And so so like, yeah, so if I do that, no, I guess I should stop apologizing. um but But please don't be sorry. It'd be awesome. Please continue, Jonathan.
01:33:35
Speaker
We'd stop inviting you if we were upset about it. Yeah, really. Come on. to um But yeah, for with Helen, man, like I would have liked to see more. I mean, she did great with like the the little bit of hysterics and everything. But I think there could have been more attention drawn on that.
01:33:52
Speaker
You can't really expect much from Philippe. He's just a kid, you know, but I would have liked to see more inquisitive nature from him about what's going on and maybe having like caught a speck of something without really understanding what it was with like his dad being partially fly. I think that would have been kind of cool and to get some kind of reaction in that way. But the end, though, with Francois and Inspector Shiraz, though, when they finally come out and find the spy director, Philippe's like, hey,
01:34:20
Speaker
Son of a bitch is over here. Come get it. You know, um I was kind of pissed with like how Francois took his time kind of getting up the stairs to get the inspector, though. It's like, dude, like this is a rush to shit like what fucking move your ass, dude. Fuck up. Yeah. I know you're a giant compared to everybody in this film, but damn. And if I'm going to get out there, but like the delivery and then being like in shock and be like, holy shit.
01:34:42
Speaker
It's real. What the fuck, you know? And then, like, waiting for that last second till the spider gets there before Inspector takes that rock and is like, oh like, what what can you really do? Can I talk about that real quick, too? All right. Why the fuck? Did he do that?
01:35:01
Speaker
I know. Like why the hell would you have gotten spider out of the fucking way and saved that for some bizarre fucking science shit? You know, that people want to know. So we could have the last line. So we could have the Vincent Price line of you're as guilty a murderer as she is. But dude, that's it. Don't get me wrong. It's a great line. It's a great like, like, Hey man, she killed the half fly man. You killed the half man fly. Awesome. It is awesome.
01:35:29
Speaker
It is awesome. Okay. All right. but But no, no, you're right. You're right. Logically. Why would you? Oh, it makes me mad. It makes me so fucking panic mode and how the hell we're going to explain this. Well, you know, it's it's kind of a messed up dig. It is. It's crazy. And also I pulled out a can of raid. Yeah. And ah and ah and a lighter. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, just fucking don't. Spiderman like fuck out of here. Yeah, dude. Fucking throw that plastic bitch in the trees. I mean, you show up and the spider is on the other side of the web from where he is. And they just sit there and sit up there like they're like this.
01:36:07
Speaker
Oh, what's going to piss me off? Yeah. Like, God, there's one arm climate.
01:36:18
Speaker
Uh, that, that was just so lame. I thought, but you know, what are you going to do? I like ah what Tim said, though. It gives you that good ending line. I do like that too, though. So I don't know. I'm torn shock punch at the end, you know, for the audience, feel like they could have set it up better, could have set it up better.
01:36:38
Speaker
I don't know how to know. I don't know how they could have shown it with their capabilities. Like they couldn't really have the fly happen, the spider's mouth, and he's already like done for because it's going to be way too complicated for a movie this small to shoot. Right. But i so maybe they did the best they could with what they have. But no, but that that tension of.
01:37:00
Speaker
And God damn it, we got to save this for the factor, I think. But ah that tension of the spot are coming. It's so good. It is so good, though. All right. Sorry, Jonathan. yeah But it also one thing it popped in my head, though. What movie did they feature that scene in where he's going? Help me, help me. Guy, I swear I've seen it in another movie somewhere when I was a kid. I've seen it everywhere. I think like like me, you've seen this And again, this is it. Factor shit. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we'll talk about this because I'll talk about what you're saying as well. I think I know i know I've seen that clip in like on TV screen from a shot in a closet in another movie. Yeah. You you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I just can't remember the fucking name of it, but we'll get to that. I don't i don't know. the movie I don't know the movie, but I know. No, but I know well what we'll I think we'll dive into it.
Kurt Newman's Direction and Film Influence
01:37:54
Speaker
All right. Well, either way, I gave the acting overall three. Nice. Yeah. Very fucking good. OK. Love it. Love it. All right. The direction where we at on this direction.
01:38:09
Speaker
Uh, who was the director? What's his name? Uh, let me check my notes. I had it. Curt Newman. Yeah. Curt Newman. Curt Newman. That look, man, Seinfeld character.
01:38:23
Speaker
yeah ah Jerry Newman, um, looking at this movie ah again, I mean, like for direction's sake, I, it goes, it ties into the, the everything we've talked about so far. Like I don't know what I would have fault with necessarily because it's 1958. I don't, I don't have a full grasp of the techniques they were capable of.
01:38:56
Speaker
what a budget would allow them to do. ah So I don't know what to. I'll i'll i'll be fair on this one. Like this this, the direction, if you want to be groundbreaking, this movie is not groundbreaking when it comes to direction.
01:39:13
Speaker
Now, how good of a job did the director do being a director, letting his cast do what they did, letting everyone do what they did on the on the set from special effects to also later in post when you have sound design and score. You know, I can't hate on this director.
01:39:33
Speaker
um I'll go ahead and be a nice and say a four. I just don't know what to what to critique about it that this, you know, this fella could could have done better based on his skill. I just don't know enough. So I can't really give it a different score. It's not a. um Like I said, groundbreaking film, as far as direction goes to me, but like it's it's very entertaining.
01:40:03
Speaker
more than serviceable. So I'm gonna give him a boy better than a three Kurt Weller. What's his name? No, Kurt. Well, is a voice actor Kurt Newman, Randy Newman. He ought to write a song, dude. If Randy Newman wrote a song about the fly, like I woke up today. I saw a fly in my window seal and he played playing the piano. Um, Kurt Newman, you get a four out of five from old T boo. There you go, bud. Yeah.
01:40:30
Speaker
i So i I don't want to compare them to Hitchcock. I tend to think of just the capabilities of how a film could be put together and how it could be made at that in the 50s. And even, you know, not just this, but looking at the House of Wax from the fifties as well. And I cannot wait to hear the House of Wax. Original episode, because y'all seem like you really like this movie about it. That was that was a good one. That was a good one. Honestly. What what do we say this guy's name was Kurt Newman, Kurt Newman. Yeah.
01:41:24
Speaker
Well, what the hell? What the hell? I don't know. IMDB doesn't have any movies after 1977 for him. But. OK, yeah. Yeah, night after 77.
01:41:43
Speaker
He know because he died in 58. What? Yeah, how did he. die How did he have a movie in 77, but he died in 58? So it's Godzilla from 77, but he directed original material. So old material from black and white movies that was repurposed. Aha. But he he died the year this was made. Whoa, that's heavy. That's yeah, that is kind of heavy. Now I can't say anything bad about it.
01:42:20
Speaker
um Give it give it a four.
01:42:24
Speaker
it's newman or a p It's a five. It's a five. This is this is his biggest film, um The Fly. He did some things. He did his second biggest film, according to IMDB is rocket ship XM from 1950. So he was more into the sci fi chronos from 57.
01:42:45
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ah Tarzan and the sheet devil from 53. He was in that lower budget arena of film. Yeah, you did a good job. There's nothing extravagant. I think it's smart of him to keep things like.
01:43:03
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uh, the fly makeup away from his lead to get a genuine reaction. That's some nice intuition there. There's nothing I can really complain about other than it's simple. Simple isn't always bad. So I, I give it a three. I think it was a good direction. It wasn't bad by any means, but I'm not eager to go check out the next Kurt Newman film.
01:43:29
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After I found out what you just said, I'm bringing my score up to a five. Good job, Kurt Newman. Because he died. Yeah. OK. You'll make up for mine. That's OK. I just I I just want to give him that. I'm going to give him that five out of five from Tebow. OK, I'm I'm sticking with the three, but I just did yours. You're up to five for him.
01:43:53
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I'm going with my feelings on this, right? It's all about feelings and I feel I feel like I want to give this man that. Hey, Bailey. Oh, That's fair. Well, tap it on your Chinese cavities. It'll help loose for that up for the for the rating. I told you. Yes. Yes. Like, where's Bailey on this one? And I was like, she hated it. I finished crocheting my jellyfish. OK. Nice. Oh, yeah. ae Good night. Good night. I'm leaving that in. That's going in. Oh, yeah. All right, Jonathan, your thoughts on direction.
01:44:48
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I don't really have too much to comment on for it. I mean, I like the way the scenes are set up. I like the lighting and how they have that set with like a lot of the lab and dark areas and like at the the factory warehouse kind of stuff. I don't know. I mean, it's OK. There's little small details that are kind of fun to pick out. Like when like after.
01:45:11
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ah The inspector and everyone's been by and everything. She's waking up the next morning. She's got the you see, there's a bottle of sleeping pills on the side table like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So like she had knocked her ass out. Well, you know, though that was after right after she she's like ah everything goes to shit with Andre and he won't open the lab yet to let her in. And so like she's freaking out. So she takes those pills to put herself out. You know, you know, it's weird little things like that. I don't know.
01:45:41
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It worked for what it was. i'd like so I don't really have much to comment on direction. um Yeah, three. yeah That leads us to the big one. We've been talking about it all night. We've been talking about the it factor for this film all night because this this movie has a surprising amount of it factor to it. So Travis, kick us off with this one. I have seen.
01:46:09
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the um like the arm reveal, the face reveal, the reaction from from Helena, or wait, no, Helene. That's a My Chemical Romance song. din know Yeah, yes it is, dude. um Fuck yeah, 10 out of 10. I've seen this throughout pop culture. It's just, it's if you watch a horror documentary where they're doing a broad sweep, if you watch um YouTube videos where they're talking about horror movies and they have an intro. This shit is just in there. It's in there. I don't necessarily think this movie has a bigger impact than the remake. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. But I'm with you there. But this movie still permeates pop culture a lot, even if people don't know what it's from.
01:47:10
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Now i'll I'll be fair on this one. I wasn't fair on the fly. Uh, uh, remake. I was, I was steadfast in my thoughts on it, but on this one, I'll be fair and say, I think you gotta be of a niche audience to see this, but maybe not necessarily. Maybe you were growing up and.
01:47:38
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You were watching TNT or USA and they they showed you like a like a hey, later tonight, this this show is going to be on and then they played clips from horror movies. You would see this. It would be in there. This is where Jonathan earlier. I think this is what I was thinking of when you were bringing up that you saw it somewhere. I saw it everywhere, bro. I saw the fly arm, the fly face.
01:48:08
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not from even seeing this movie. It's just there. It's there. Is it still there today? I wouldn't say as much as Cronenberg's The Fly. No, but it was there. It was there for a long period of time. And maybe going forward, it might be still yet again. We we don't know what the future holds for like a retro revisit to classic horror movies um and being the 50s, you know, 1950s everybody because we're we're getting we're in the 20 20s. So we're getting close to the 2050s. So yeah at some point in 75 years of this film. Yeah. Yeah. jee is We can't we can't always say just the 50s and expect everyone to know what the fuck we mean. Nineteen fifties. This permeated pop culture for a long time.
01:49:05
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I can't be, I saw it. I saw it. So I can't be as high as a five. Cause I don't think it's as relevant now, but I can't go as low as a three. And I'm going to give this a four. I think this was there for all of us growing up, anyone in between the ages of 45 to probably 30.
01:49:34
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would would see a clip of this, maybe even 25, and at least be like, yes, I identify that movie. Or if you showed them the movie, they could say, oh, that's what that's from. Wow. That's what I would put this in. So for those age groups, I would give that a four out of five.
01:49:57
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Um, younger folks won't know and they should know, go back and watch this movie. It's worth your time. I think it's an hour 33. I mean, it's not, it's not real long. Yeah. No, it's not. So I'm gonna give it a four out of five for the eight factor and that ending too, though, that ending.
01:50:15
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the help me, help me. That is more terrifying than I think it really deserves. But I still was watching it and I was like, Oh my God, I'm on the edge of my seat. Like help this motherfucker, dude. Help him. And then they stone him. They smash him with a rock. Like it's biblical up in this bitch all of a sudden. I'm like, bro. Yeah. The fuck you just squashed the whole narrative.
01:50:44
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Ah, that part is equal parts awesome and shitty for the movie. Yeah. You touched on the help me, help me, uh, screamed by the.
01:50:58
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dude at the end, that scene genuinely was the one time in this movie, I was like, well, that was creepy. Like, yeah, it's not the greatest effects, but just that idea of it is kind of traumatic. But that line that helped me, helped me became a pop culture touchstone and has been parodied in other movies, has been parodied in TV shows. I remember it in like kids TV shows when they would be like,
01:51:29
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you know I never knew it was parodying this, but now I do, you know seeing it from here. The fun part about that scene, Vincent Price had difficulty keeping a straight face because of the voice that they used during that scene. So he had to stifle his laughter when they were filming it.
01:51:52
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i The movie was also a huge box office success for the 50s. It made $3 million dollars in the US alone, which was big for a B low budget movie.
01:52:10
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And then it's also, it's not really credited, but they took the inspiration for the fly human from H.G. Wells novel, The Island of Dr. Moreau. Oh, wow. That's a fantastic book. And the documentary about the movie is better than the movie itself. um yeah But the one with Brando. Yeah. And the documentary about that is awesome. It is good. I've seen it. Yeah. Yep.
01:52:41
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ah Critical reception was mixed, you know, called it shock horror, but the other, it justified two sequels. It's success did. And not just justify those sequels, like we're talking so ah originals versus remakes. It was significant enough to get a remake, which give that gives some sway to me. But my last point on it factor,
01:53:10
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It was one of the first horror films to be shot in cinema scope and color. um So most films of the time, of the horror films of the time, were black and white.
01:53:25
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So this was one of the first ones to be shot in that color style. So for me, things Travis said, it's a four on the f factor for me too. Nice. Okay. Well, I don't have as much to say on that. Um, when I was thinking about where I see it though, I want to say it was, uh, there was a clip of that. Uh, I think it was the poltergeist.
01:53:49
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if i If I'm thinking correctly, I remember there's a scene, I'm not sure if it's this movie, I just want to say it's in this film where they open a closet, there's the TV in there and it's that scene playing on the TV. that ah be help be Oh, wow. faith tickets that's I want to say that's the film, but I might be wrong. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't either. But but.
01:54:11
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I feel like there has to have been a horror movie that did that at some point with this movie. It's a horror film. I want to say that's the one I just don't know for sure until I go back and watch the fucking thing. And that's going to bug me for a while. It'll be a couple of years in your yeah average audience.
01:54:29
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Share your thoughts and tell us what movie that's in. Yeah. Yeah. Where are you seeing it in general, if any? um But I mean, you guys pretty much touched on it and how it's affected the sci-fi horror genre, even with the remakes and all that. um but said For me, it was just another one of those, you know, scientific horror films for the time that was kind of popular. That was kind of the big shock for a lot of folks. So um I still think three. um I'm good with that. man okay Yeah. Yeah.
01:54:57
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Yep. All right. Last category and wrapping it up with your final thoughts on it. So how entertained were you Travis?
01:55:09
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Um, I loved the story. I loved the performances. The direction was fine. The sound design was middling, uh, and score like fine. Title sequence was dope. I enjoyed that a lot. Uh, but I, but I always try to look for that and I like when it's good. And I think this one was really good. Um,
01:55:34
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This movie was very enjoyable on a rewatch. I'd seen this years ago. And doing it for the average podcast, I had a lot of fun with this movie compared to Cronenberg's 1986 masterpiece. Perfect film, in my opinion. ah This doesn't stack up.
01:55:57
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But how could it? It's from the 50s. It's a different vibe. It's a different story altogether. Altogether different story. But I still was very entertained. Entertainment factor. I would give this an eight out of 10 for an entertainment factor. Wow. This was so very entertaining. I enjoyed it a lot.
01:56:20
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I know that y'all have y'alls piccadillos with Vincent Price or um maybe some other things. But ah I didn't look at the movie as a padded film. I looked at at the script from like, I feel like that was the way they wrote the script. And then they just so happened to maybe get Vincent. I didn't even know like I didn't even consider it that they got him later. I just looked at it from this is the structure of the story.
01:56:48
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And I enjoyed it from that perspective, like this is the build up. This is the murder mystery aspect. Now let's flashback and tell that story and then come back around to bookend it. And then they bookended it with something that we all. At least agree is better than average as an ending for a film. yeah So, ah yeah, eight out of 10 entertainment value ah for me.
01:57:15
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Perfect. That puts you at a 42 total, 42 total. And that would be on our scale. That means that you think the movie's pretty great. I do. I do. You know, ah I'm not again, I've said this multiple times during this episode, I'm not a fifties guy. I haven't seen a lot of movies from that time period, but this movie stood out to me. um I thought it was really well done. Hats off to everyone here. Good job. OK. So for me.
01:57:58
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ah Man, gosh, I'm. All right, I got to be honest, got to be honest. do it For me, I did feel like it was an overly long Twilight Zone episode.
01:58:12
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So, and that that's where I sat with it. I liked quite a bit of it. There's parts of it that i I don't really care for and don't really need. I can fast forward the searching for the fly scenes, but I still appreciate the ending. You know, so for me, how entertained was I? I'm right in the middle on it. I'm a five.
01:58:38
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i I like parts of it, didn't like parts of it. It's going to take a unique situation for me to like, yeah, let's pull this off again. What I do think this movie is great for is a gateway film.
01:58:57
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I think this is a gateway, great gateway film, especially, you know, I'm thinking, you know, having kids in the future and I want to share a love of horror with them. And this is a nice way to test the water with somebody nice and young and like, does that fly freak you out? No. Okay. Well, we're going to ramp it up on the next one. so you know You start here. It's a good way to introduce people to these films because it is iconic.
01:59:26
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And, but it's, it's really easy to swallow, you know, it is not super complicated, but yeah, I was a five, which puts me overall, I had my half in there. So I was 30.5 overall, or three stars out of five. That's where I was. Hell yeah.
01:59:48
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mar So for me, I i liked it. I liked the contrast of that old style um from the fifties versus what we saw in the eighties remake. um Overall, I thought it was very interesting to see. And I would certainly, you know, people who who've seen the the remake and are all about originals, I would definitely recommend that they watch this. um So.
02:00:12
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Um, yeah, I'm kicking in at a hard seven on this. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm genuinely glad you two liked this more than I did. generally I think, I think this movie just, again, from someone who doesn't have the perspective of like watching a lot of movies from this time period, it's a nice surprise to see this much effort put into something that is unquestionably a B movie, but like
02:00:47
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dolled up like this. This feels like a Jordan Peele movie from the 50s to me. Um, made with care. Yeah. Made with care. Like I think everyone here was trying their best. No one phoned it in. Uh, even though Vincent Price wasn't necessarily a standout, like he can be, I think he still did a very good job.
02:01:13
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So, yeah, man, I like that, you know, even and even with you, Tim, like you're saying. You're giving it a three out of five overall. That's still that's still like the like you said, the bottom side of good. Everyone should go watch this movie if they enjoy. If they enjoy horror automatically, you got to see this movie. It's a classic. And also, if you enjoy the remake, Cronenberg's remake,
02:01:43
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is a goddamn tin, but check out this movie as well, because it might surprise you. You might like it more than than you think you would. yeah Yeah. Now, one thing I do want to say, there's one person that got kind of overlooked that we didn't really give any love to that I think deserves some. And that is the maid, Emma. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
02:02:09
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Kathleen Freeman, when I saw, when I started watching the movie and I saw the man, I was like, I know that face. Like, holy shit. I've seen her in so many things. She has had a longer, fuller career than any of the actors in this film by far. Absolutely. She started out in 1948 with her first role and did work up until, I think she passed in like 2001 or something. wow ah du She was in ah She featured on Tales of test from the Crypt. She was in the both the Blues Brothers movies, Dutch, Growing Pain. She voiced a character for 10 episodes on DuckTales, not Batman Beyond. She voiced for there. She did so much stuff. She's always had a lot of supporting or small cameo roles in in TV shows, other old school movies.
02:03:00
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And just man, she was doing all kinds of she was in Hocus Pocus, Naked Gun, 33 and a third. Wow. Yeah. Five episodes of Married with Children voicing Peggy's mom. Like she had du she's got she was on Roseanne, Duckman, all kinds of shit, dude, like she was like clueless.
02:03:21
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Just like, dude, she has such amazing career. And I think, like I said, she deserves a shout out. shadow in the day What's her name? Kathleen Freeman. Kathleen Freeman. Shout out to you. You legend. yeah So absolute fucking legend. Yeah, dude. That's awesome. yeah She was in all kinds of cool stuff and she was in ready to rumble.
02:03:45
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Oh, what? Yeah, dude, people people overlook like the small parts, right? and and And oftentimes that happens. But God damn, I'm glad that Jonathan like shattered out someone that really deserved a nice shout out for doing such a having such a storied career.
02:04:05
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They're incredible. That's working actors, everybody. like they You might not always know who they are, but they are there and they are part of your childhood existence, movie-going, TV-watching experience. They're always there.
02:04:23
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Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, this was she was she started at 48 and did this in 58. So she was 10 years in the game already when doing this film, even though it was such a bit hard and just she did so many films between 48 and 58 like a lot. She did a lot.
02:04:41
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Yeah, that's that's awesome. That's awesome. So our three scores combined ah bring us to a 35 out of 50 or three and a half stars out of five. Overall, the three of us say that it's a good movie and it is and definitely check it out. I definitely think this 13 Nights of Halloween vessel of comparing remakes and originals is a perfect venue for you to see this. Watch Cronenberg's, watch this one. It's fun to see that comparison. it It truly is to hold them side by side because they're two different beasts like like Travis was saying. They're very different films with similar bones and
02:05:32
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It was fun to see it this way. I'm with Travis. k Cronenberg's Fly is a masterpiece. This one is a fun B horror movie that you just, we don't see enough of. We don't shed enough love on these films. So hopefully this episode,
02:05:52
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has brought some, even if I'm a little critical of them, I'm a sucker for these fifties horror movies. I love it. I fall asleep to them. I put them on and not in a negative way. Like I put them on at night to fall asleep to good comfort.
02:06:08
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Yes, there's something strangely comforting about like, I don't know if it's weird, but I i love thinking about like my grandma or grandpa probably saw this movie or, you know, the people before us, this is what they talked about. So and there's something I love about that. You know, we're all talking about movies that were right before our lives or when we were super young, like The Fly.
02:06:37
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from Cronenberg who was talking about this one in the sixties. You know, Oh yeah, I love that movie. So there's that little bit of history about these films that I absolutely love. So any other thoughts guys, before we wrap this up? I'm chilling, man. I think you wrapped it up beautifully. Okay. That was, that was awesome, dude. Burn us.
02:06:59
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All right, so Travis, thank you so much for being here. We love having you. Love having everybody from the nightclub on the show. It is always a great time. So any of our listeners out there, if you haven't checked out the nightclub podcast, go do it now. so ra and me out grab us yeah Oh, thank you. Yeah. Wherever where you can get podcasts, Spotify, Apple, we're on Instagram, Facebook, X or Twitter. um ah Yeah, we're we're all over the place. So check us out. But also join the discord. ah We have a discord channel and.
02:07:40
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Yeah, fuck yeah. And the average podcast has a channel in there where you can go and talk about these episodes, too. So um find find us there as well. And thank you, Tim. Thank you, Jonathan. I love doing this with you all this so much fucking fun. I appreciate it. and So I'm grateful to be here. I love being on the average average is awesome. I love this show for that. Then I wouldn't be here either.
02:08:07
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Exactly fucking I love I love that I got to meet Jonathan too. So All good, man. Thank you. Thank you for that shout out ah Everyone listen to the fucking average and give them your reviews go to their Instagram page Go to their fucking link tree get that goddamn Review card yeah work hard Yeah. And review a movie. Even if it's not one they're covering, it doesn't matter. Send in your review of a movie. Like, let's just let them know what you're watching and what you think. It's a fun way to review a movie, in my opinion. Like, this is so fucking cool. I love the average. Thank you. Oh, Travis, you're doing a better job than I do. Thank you.
02:08:55
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So join us tomorrow where this was night 10 of 13 nights of Halloween. We're closing in on favorite time of the year. This whole buildup is my favorite time of the year. It's why I do 13 episodes in a row for 13 days because I freaking love Halloween. So I'm excited.
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