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250 Ciara Finan | Literary Agent
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Literary agent, Ciara Finan joins to chat about her journey through publishing, what she's looking for in query letters and agents becoming more pro-active and seeking out fiction writers online through social media and other content platforms.
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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Entering the Publishing Industry
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Hello and welcome back to the Right and Wrong podcast. On today's episode, I'm delighted to be joined by literary agent Keira Fineland. Hello. Hi, thank you so much for having me.
00:00:26
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Thanks so much for coming along. um With agents, I like to kind of start at the sort of origin of their publishing journey, because I think it's always interesting to hear how people get into this kind of role. And I think it's a role that I have found a lot of people you know are interested in but a lot of people don't really know what you know what it what an agent is what it entails,
Challenges of Unpaid Internships
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that kind of thing. And they kind of fall into it and then they're like, oh this is what I always wanted to do.
00:00:55
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So from my online sleuthing, am I right in thinking that your entry into publishing started with an internship in the books department of Curtis Brown in 2018?
00:01:06
Speaker
That is correct. Yes. I mean, yeah, after doing a master's in publishing, I was trying to get a publishing internship or a job in Ireland. um And those were the days of like unpaid internships, which also just wasn't necessarily feasible for me.
Career Progression in Publishing
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um So I applied for this internship at Curtis Brown. And got it miraculously and then two months later i moved over to London and wow yeah I was an intern here I think maybe like for six weeks and an assistant job came up um working with Johnny Geller and Sheila Crowley um and I got that very luckily and yeah the rest is history I then kind of was an assistant on in Johnny's office for about four years before um becoming an associate agent where I started to take on my own authors um
00:01:56
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And then since then, yeah was promoted to kind of agent um earlier this year.
Working with Notable Authors
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um and here I am. Yeah. and i've I've been so lucky to to work with some incredible authors, both on kind of Johnny and Sheila's lists, which I learned so much from. um And now kind of like carving out my own my own list and working with some some fabulously talented people. Yeah. Okay.
00:02:20
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So you mentioned that you did a master's in publishing. Yes. So I, yeah, I did an undergrad in um English and law and i'm I'm pretty sure my parents at the time would have preferred if I had become a solicitor. But also like going to like law school after would have been quite expensive. So I thought, what else do I like doing? I've always loved reading and writing. And yeah, this, the kind of masters in publishing um was actually at the university I was at anyway. So kind of delayed the inevitable adult life for an extra year, luckily, um and
Passion for Fantasy and Genre Focus
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did that. And then we had a one talk from a literary agent. So I hadn't really didn't really know what literary agents were before that. And I think like most people who kind of think about going to publishing, i presumed I would be like...
00:03:06
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an editor, editor, literary fiction. um And then once I actually was working, you know, as an intern here and getting to see the kind of length and breadth of like, you know, the different genres, but also like the publication process.
00:03:20
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um I love reading literary fiction. I don't think I would be a particularly good agent for it. And also kind of being on the or the agent side, um it was It was just great. Like I think I kind of toyed with um the idea of maybe kind of moving across to the publishing
Transition to Associate Agent
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side.
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um But I'm so grateful that i I did stay here because I think it's so wonderful to kind of be at the very start of the process and like find or kind of having great authors come to me working editorially, you know, on the manuscript, so obviously, ideally getting a great deal for them, telling them that.
00:03:54
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um yeah anyways I genuinely feel like sometimes like I can't believe I've kind of ended up here like if I think back to like 16 year old me reading like fantasy books in my kind of after school study when I was supposed to be doing my homework um I think she'd be pretty happy yeah yeah I mean it's when I want to speak to different people around publishing I think agent is the one where people i mean and and and um I don't want to sell it short it's a very it can be a very busy and intense job it can be um you know, there's a lot going on. There's a lot of moving parts. But I think people, you know, when when they when they find the balance, when when things are are going well, ah just seem so happy to be literary agents.
Becoming a Full Literary Agent
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Yeah, definitely. And I think specifically for me, I kind of, became an associate agent at a time when, you know, romanticism started to kind of kick off and like book talk and that's had a huge boom. um But being like a fantasy lover anyway and kind of gravitating towards that, ah it's just the timing has also worked out so well. So like genuinely getting to like read romantic books at my desk or fantasy or, you know, horror or whatever um and getting paid to do that essentially is quite it's quite amazing.
00:05:05
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Yes. Yeah, absolutely. um So agent's assistant through to like on associate agent tutor two through to literary agent, that's that's quite a well-trodden route for becoming an agent.
00:05:19
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Did you, at what point, and you know, from you first starting as a agent's assistant, did you start building your list? Was it as soon as you became an assistant or was it once you became an associate?
00:05:30
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No, so when I was an assistant, um which was ah because I was obviously working for it two kind of very busy agents. That was very much the focus. And I think like most assistants, you have to start with doing the diary, which as a kind of more type B person, um I wasn't very good at.
00:05:49
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um But that's kind of part of the part ah part of the process generally. um But no, I mean, those kind of first maybe like kind of three years specifically, um it was very much like focused on, you know, the agent I was working for, like their authors.
00:06:03
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um But also that goes to say, like I was working with people like David Nichols, Alif Shafak, like worked on Bono's memoir, kind of worked, had worked on like Jojo Moyes, like that.
Focus on Fantasy and Romantic Literature
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It's so incredible to have been able to kind of, you know, learn about the industry through working with such incredibly talented authors and kind of also seeing how both like Johnny and Sheila agented them. um I think that's given me such an amazing kind of grounding in like how I'm approaching um agenting my authors now.
00:06:35
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um But yeah, it was more so when just before becoming an associate agent and kind of having expressed interest of you know what genre i might want to do. And I think that was was just after COVID. I think it might have been 2021, 2022.
00:06:51
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And I've always loved um fantasy and had been lucky enough, obviously, on Johnny's List to work with the wonderful Susanna Clarke and kind of see Piranesi pop into his inbox one afternoon when we were in the office and kind of see it.
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Obviously, you know, Bloomsbury did a such an excellent job publishing It it won the Women's Prize. Susanna Clarke's also just such a delightful author to work with. Like, that was amazing. And then I think I'd always loved fantasy. And I was like, I think I would love to try and kind of carve out a bit of a space um in that. Because there was people obviously doing doing more kind of SFF here here at Curtis Brown and also like CNW.
00:07:28
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um But at the time, it was more so like, I think kind of like psychological thriller, you know, kind of upmarket book club fiction was like the kind of thing.
00:07:38
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um So it was a little bit more quiet. um But like I said, I think with thanks to like kind of, I suppose, book talk and the explosion of of that, like has has really kind of made the genre, like I think everybody's kind of standing up to attention to it now, which is which is great to see.
00:07:58
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Yeah, it sounds like the stars kind of aligned at exactly the right time for what you liked. my guardian angel of publishing was looking out for me.
00:08:08
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And them my understanding with that with with with your kind of ri career path is that you're you're the agent's assistant, at some point you'll start building your list probably while you're still doing some assistant work.
00:08:21
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Yes. um When you you became official literary agent in March this year, is is is that when the kind of crossover of you doing some of your own agenting and then also assisting kind of comes to an end and you're fully just doing your own agenting? Is is that the kind of...
00:08:42
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So it kind of, I think it works differently, like agency to agency. And I think probably everyone you've had on this podcast who either works as ah an agent or an editor. could attest to the fact that you're kind of doing that job like two years essentially before you get the title yeah um but for me like I still um work on a few of Johnny's authors kind of um like Alif Shafak David Nichols kind of the bigger machines if you will of
Business Aspect of Publishing
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publishing um and he also has a wonderful but wonderful assistant Natalie um who helps out as well so it's more of a kind of team effort on them so maybe I do maybe a third of my time on that and kind of
00:09:22
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two thirds of my time on my own list, but it kind of depends as well in terms of, you know, right now, as we're recording this, it's like October, so ahead of the Frankfurt Book Fair, it's very busy. So sometimes those authors require more attention. But I think I've got a good balance of having enough breathing room to like properly carve out um time to kind of find find my own authors and and find new opportunities.
00:09:47
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Okay. That, yeah, that lines up with kind of, it's a very organic, um, role and an industry literary agency. Like, yeah, it's, you do what you need to do. Right. yeah And also, I mean, like being very transparent, it's a business, so, yeah yeah you know, you have to be making a certain amount of commission, I think, to kind of sustain ah full list, um, which obviously I'm kind of still more in the, the earlier stages. So eventually I'll get there and I'm sure,
00:10:13
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um that will be on the horizon um someday. But I think it's also lovely to still be able to work as part of a team because I think sometimes agenting is quite solitary and in kind of maybe a similar way to as an author is writing, you know, writing their book. um And I actually prefer being able to like discuss ideas with people, you know, um have a bit more of that kind of conversation.
00:10:37
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um So I think it's a nice balance. Okay. In terms of, I know what you mean in terms of, it's it's way it strange because it's sort of, it's solitary, but at the same time, there's a lot of um FaceTime with other people.
00:10:50
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But do you guys, know some agencies will do, have like round tables when they'll all come together with the sort of different queries they've received that they like and kind of show everyone the things that they're thinking about taking on. Is that the kind of thing you guys do at Curtis Brown or is it more independent?
00:11:07
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It's more independent, I think, because we're such a big um department, it would be hard to actually find all the times that align for everybody. yeah We do obviously have like our department meetings where we talk about you know, things going on in publishing or like we have like a Frankfurt pitch meeting coming up where we'll all pitch the books that, you know, we have out at the moment, um which is obviously very fun. But no, I think a lot of the time you're kind of left, you know, they trust your judgment to kind of decide what you think will work well.
00:11:36
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And I mean, obviously, like with every agent, you know, sometimes that works really well or there's projects that I've taken on that I still believe in that unfortunately haven't sold and you have to regroup. So, It is more of an independent you know um opinion, I suppose. But ah I like kind of having the the trust to be able to just kind of go and do what I think is think is right or you know um take on things that I'm just feeling excited about.
00:12:03
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Yeah, absolutely. i understand that. and Like I said, yeah, it's a independent yet also lots of very face forward facing. And I mean, we have a great office and like, you know, we're in a lot of the time and there's a lot of people around to kind of get advice from and and stuff, which is, you know, um so valuable.
Evaluating Submissions and Genre Preferences
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Something i think people often worry about because it can be stressful for for an author who's querying agents to think like, am I sending this to the right person? Am I getting things right in my cover letter?
00:12:33
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I'm gonna assume that you guys do do this, but and ah just just to make sure if you receive a query and this and and you read it and you're like, this is good, but it's not for me, but I think this could be good for one of my colleagues.
00:12:47
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you you guys will share um yeah definitely um yeah sometimes I think there's obviously you know we have our bios on the Curtis Brown website but there can be like conflicting information online so sometimes I'll get through like some really great pitches for literary fiction which I don't really do um but would happily pass that on to to another agent who I think it would be a good fit for Okay. Yeah.
00:13:10
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Yeah. Because I've, I've spoken to agents on this podcast and and sort of mentioned something that's on their website and they're sort of a bit horrified and they're like, I haven't updated that in in a year or something.
00:13:22
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Yeah. I know the bio. I'm like, I should really update mine. um But I think the right people do find me. And I think other agencies, we're, we're a bit different here. I think we all get our, submissions direct to like either our emails or our own submission boxes as opposed to kind of centralized submission inbox. um So I'm very much seeing them like I get them direct into my email cover letters come in um in quick succession. And I'm, you know, normally I think pretty good at passing along ones if they're not for me. Okay, right, right. Do you use query tracker as well?
00:13:55
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I don't know. um i mean, I'm sure I'm possibly on there, but I don't really check in. Okay, so not advisable if anyone... No, I think just email, like email me um and that's the best way to get a hold of me.
00:14:10
Speaker
Okay, okay, great. So let's talk about the the list itself. in In a broad sense, what are the genres and the and the age ranges that you represent?
00:14:21
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Yeah. So, I mean, broadly speaking, um you know, every agent I think maybe has their speciality. but But like to me, a lot of the time it does come down to like great pitch character voice. And I feel like sometimes that can transcend genre.
00:14:36
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So in a way, apart from like super literary experimental fiction or like very kind of like military history non-fiction. I'm pretty much open to to anything if like I enjoy the pitch but kind of being a bit more selective as kind of the list grows I'm definitely trying to like build up the kind of SFF um and horror kind of side of the list here at Curtis Brown and my particular you know passion I suppose is more so the fantasy space and kind of anything that falls under that but I think you know we're seeing a lot more of like genre blends now obviously
00:15:11
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romanticity is a blend of fantasy and romance but like kind of fantasy and horror and stuff so anything kind of weird and wonderful in that space I would love to see um but I'm also a huge fan of kind of more like commercial non-fiction and like personal development um and that kind of stuff and sometimes it's nice obviously to work on a proposal that's 50 pages instead of 150,000 manuscripts um so I kind of like a bit of variation um but specifically like I said with as I've mentioned book talk and romantic like as I was kind of somebody who had engaged with that that's I think become a bit more of my niche here um so I'm happy to kind of very happy obviously to keep kind of finding great authors in that space and I think it it's great to see the amount of submissions that
00:15:59
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have come in in that space. And I think like fantasy having been such kind of a like a publishing juggernaut now um with all the new imprints cropping up and kind of I think like the kind of money that they're pumping into it, it's been a very exciting time to kind of be in that space.
00:16:15
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Yes, absolutely. um want to get some more specifics on that, but I think it's also sometimes useful to say, are there any things that you absolutely don't represent?
Character-Driven Narratives and Story Preferences
00:16:29
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You know, never say never, um okay because I think it's funny. Sometimes I will get, um you know, obviously submissions in and I don't like the cover letter, but I'll start reading the material and I really enjoy it.
00:16:42
Speaker
um So, like I say, maybe like not super experimental literary fiction, but maybe nothing too depressing um or kind of very serious, serious nonfiction.
00:16:54
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um But I'm very much open to to a lot. I think, like I say, for me specifically, like the characters are kind of what I very much kind of gravitate towards any submissions I do take on and if they kind of stick with me.
00:17:09
Speaker
Like that is an amazing sign. and And I wouldn't mind doing, you know, either like crime thriller with an amazing character or kind of book club. um I'm on the search specifically, though, if anybody is listening and and has this like my great love story and I want it to be like utterly devastating. So if anybody has that out there and you think it would make me cry, please do send it.
00:17:31
Speaker
Okay, okay, great. i Because I was going to ask in a second, like, is there anything you're specifically looking for? That's fine, you answered it. If there's one specific thing, it's that, that sort of epic love story. Yeah, definitely.
00:17:43
Speaker
Going back into some of the things that you mentioned just there. So it sounds like... ah I know that there's fun bits in romanticy, but like sci-fi, horror, for me, there's a generally more serious kind of things. Are you ah are you are you open to to like comedy and things like that? Or do you tend to keep things a bit more thrillery, bit more intense?
00:18:05
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I am open to comedy. I think it has to be a more of like a dark humor, I think, um for my taste anyway. But I think, as in, I was having a conversation with an editor recently about like, say, cozy fantasy, for example. Like, I definitely think there's a place for that in the market.
Speculative Fiction Trends
00:18:20
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But for me as a reader, like the high stakes and the kind of escapism of that,
00:18:25
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is what I gravitate towards and I think that's why the like those genres do so well. So I'm probably more on the like serious side, if you will, or a bit more like life and death rather than you know low stakes.
00:18:38
Speaker
Okay, so so more like a sort of Joe Abercrombie kind of dark comedy than like a whimsy kind of Terry Pratchett kind of comedy? Yes, exactly. Okay, okay, great.
00:18:49
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um Science, ah it wast there's a few agents I was going to recently. Romanticist obviously is has been like the big thing for for a while now.
00:19:00
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um And obviously, when a genre is so popular for a long time, it becomes very competitive. There's a lot of people now in that space. is there um I've heard a few people talking about how they're looking at science fiction romance ah there's probably a clever way of gluing those together like romanticy but I'm not gonna try and do that yeah we'll wait until someone else does yeah and then we'll copy it um is that is is that something that you think could be like uh coming up alongside romanticy
00:19:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. I mean, i think what you like you say, Romanticy has had its big boom. and And that's kind of a double edged sword, because it's obviously great that so many amazing titles are coming out in that space, but it is becoming a lot more competitive and trying to I think the key is like, what is the point of difference? Like, I've had ah a lot of submissions this year. And so I've read a lot of cover letters.
00:19:56
Speaker
And I think the problem is everything is starting to feel a little bit similar. And I think that the key is now trying to stand out and whether that is you know obviously like going to a different genre say like sci-fi I think it would have to work in a more like fantasy feel though um for for the kind of readership that is you know the bulk of romanticy um but i definitely think as you know as it kind of is sustained it's also going to grow in terms of like the blending of genres like i think a lot of editors um i've been talking to kind of want a horror romance um or say like dark fantasy and horror i'm seeing a lot of um in my submission submissions in books but um but yeah to me it's for any authors as well in their cover letters and when they're thinking about that like
00:20:46
Speaker
what is the point of difference? Like, is it either kind of a unique world, interesting world building, like a complete kind of like, um turnaround of a trope? um Or something like that? I think it's what what are you standing out with now?
00:21:00
Speaker
um yeah Because I think that classic romanticcy It's great. And I think there's obviously still going to be space for that. There was people who read it before it was coined as Romanticy and I was one of them. um So I don't think it's going away as much as I feel like I hear a lot in publishing of people being like, Romanticy's dead now.
00:21:17
Speaker
And I don't agree with that at all. I think it's just a sustain as sustained genre um in the way like psychological thrillers are are always going to be a thing. um But it's kind of what's the evolution of it now. And I think it is more of like, yes,
00:21:33
Speaker
maybe branching into kind of sci-fi and romance or horror romance kind of blending all three okay yeah i think think you're absolutely right i think romanticy is a mainstay now of the genre like i mean you can compare it if you think back you can compare it to like the boom of psychological thrillers with like gone girl and stuff and like those are absolutely a very popular genre and a mainstay that will never be out of style and because even like freedom mcfadden has a like five titles in the
Exploration of Genre Blends
00:22:03
Speaker
sunday times bestseller list like yeah that's always going to there's always going to be readers for that and i think there's always going to be readers for you know that very kind of classic commercial romanticity too but i think in terms of publishing trying to keep you know evolving and growing um we would hope uh it's
00:22:21
Speaker
it's thinking of what's next and I don't think any of us technically know what that will be but I have a feeling it is just more so like the point of difference and kind of something that does feel fresh Yes, crossing genres is is what I'm hearing a lot about.
00:22:36
Speaker
and And of all the genres that people are trying to cross with things, horror is the one that seems most popular. And horror romance kind of writes itself. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I have, I think on my bio, like a line about unhinged women doing unhinged things. And that remains for any of that kind of those genres. Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Like a Bella Mackey uh, yeah. Or kind of more in the horror space. I think like kind of like that book, um, such an amazing title, like the eyes are the best part. Like that was incredible. And kind of that feel, I think I'd love to see.
00:23:10
Speaker
Okay. Okay. That's cool. My last question before we we strand you with and ask you for a book is fantasy. You said that you're you've always been a big fantasy reader.
00:23:21
Speaker
um Obviously, we've covered romanticcy. You cover that and the sort of come the the currently commercial kind of popular things. Do you do all sorts of fantasy? Do you also do like epic fantasy or fantasy realism?
00:23:32
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I mean, i'm I'm very open to it all. And like growing up, I read a lot of kind of classic like Robin Hobb or, you know, George R.R. Martin. So I'm very open to seeing, you know, romanticity, essentially.
00:23:46
Speaker
um To me, like I say, I think it's anything within that wider genre. If it is like the characters are great or that there's something fresh about it, um I'm not too beholden to very specific, you know,
00:23:59
Speaker
romanticy or like it has to have a
Favorite Book for a Cozy Read
00:24:01
Speaker
romance plot. And I think, you know, things like Piranesi, Susanna Clarke, or, you know, Jonathan Strange or Miss Norell, like those are incredible and epic and the writing is like of such a brilliant quality. And i mean, obviously, I would love to find my own Susanna Clarke, but not that I think she'll ever be replicated, but something in that vein also would be incredible and like kind of more literary fantasy even.
00:24:22
Speaker
okay Okay, cool. Yeah, that's good to know. um And that brings us to the point in the episode where I would normally strand you on a desert island, but this will be the 250th episode. So I thought after several discussions recently with guests who have come on and said, they've sort of alluded to the fact that they picked something based on they were picturing themselves on a desert island.
00:24:45
Speaker
I thought, 250 episodes let's change it up a bit so the question for now for a while will be kira if you were snowed in at a cozy woodland cabin in the middle of nowhere what book would you hope to have with you Well, that's a much nicer setting. So I'm sorry to everyone who's come before me, Strangely a Desert Island.
00:25:07
Speaker
um It would have to be um not a fantasy book, actually, but um Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell. I absolutely adore that book. I read it during the first lockdown during COVID. So...
00:25:21
Speaker
it has a special place in my heart of like managing to completely distract me from the the impending doom of what was happening. um And the writing is just so beautiful. And I think as well, the fact I don't know if this is 100% true, but I think it is. I'm 99% sure.
00:25:39
Speaker
um that all the words and the word choices she used were of like none of the language was kind of um coming after the time of Shakespeare so it felt very authentic in terms of like it being historical but I just think like in terms of world building specifically and world building doesn't just apply to like fantasy.
00:25:58
Speaker
um It was so immersive. the The writing is just so lyrical. And yeah, I thought it was beautiful. It made me like, obviously any books that make me cry are are are ones that I enjoy. um And I'm so excited. Obviously, you know, there was a stage adaption, there's a film adaption coming out.
00:26:15
Speaker
um It's just really beautiful. So if anybody hasn't read it, um I would highly recommend it. Yes, absolutely. I mean, it's one of those instances where it's popular because it's so good. yeah i think we can often fall into the trap of being like, oh, it's so popular, you know, I can't be bothered, all you know, whatever. But sometimes things are popular for a reason. And Hamlet was, yeah, it was quite the sensation when it came out.
00:26:39
Speaker
Yeah. And I think as well, like when a book is easy to read, like that is a good thing because I think the author, that's actually a very hard skill, I think, to acquire as a writer.
00:26:51
Speaker
But it when you're just like can completely trust the writers taking you on this journey and it feels so easy to just immerse yourself in the story, like that is what makes something like that so compelling, I think.
Query Letters and Submission Insights
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. That's a great choice. And um the first book at the cozy woodland cabin. um let Let me just stay there, actually. Sure. um Coming up, ah we are going to get into more about query letters, cover letters, a deeper look at how Kira, what Kira is looking for within all of that.
00:27:26
Speaker
That will be in the extended episode, which you can find at patreon.com slash right and wrong. yeah I think like um authors who are kind of, you know, earning out their contracts and making royalties like that, that's incredible. And I think, you know, publishers to then recontract you will look upon that very favorably.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, because on the books, you're now a profitable author, whereas as someone who got a huge advance, it might take like another five years for that to actually become profitable. If it does. If it does, yeah.
00:27:57
Speaker
It's a complicated industry and it's and it's always changing. um But we're at the end of the episode.
Conclusion and Contact Information
00:28:02
Speaker
Thank you so much, Kira, for coming on the podcast, chatting with me, telling us all about your kind of journey through publishing, everything you've been up to and kind of your your your way of tackling ah query letters and all of that um chaos that's in there. It's been awesome chatting with you.
00:28:16
Speaker
Well, thank you so much for having me. I've i've really enjoyed our our conversation and hopefully some of the things I've said will help some people out there. Yes, I'm sure they will. And for everyone listening, if you want to keep up with what Kira is doing, you can find her on Instagram at kirafeinan__litagent.
00:28:35
Speaker
And if you want to submit to Akira or anyone else at the Curtis Brown um agenting team, head over to CurtisBrown.co.uk, go to the book section and then go to the team section and you'll be able to see the list of all of the agents, including Akira.
00:28:49
Speaker
And... Within each of those, there is in-depth descriptions of what they're looking for, what they like, what's on their list, et cetera, et cetera. And that's it. So to support this podcast, like, follow and subscribe, join the Patreon for ad-free extended episodes and check out my other podcast, The Chosen Ones and Other Tropes.
00:29:07
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Thanks, Kira. And thanks to everyone listening. we will catch you on the next episode.