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EPISODE 11 - BOSTON CELTICS PLAYOFFS. MEDIA NARRATIVE BS.
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Introduction & Game Atmosphere
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. It is May 23rd, 2024, and we just immediately started recording this at halftime of the Celtics game.
00:00:13
Speaker
Uh, just for reference when we're recording. Um, yeah. So obviously like, you know, last week we were still kind of talking about the Patriots schedule a little bit, but like we gotta, you know, we gotta do self, you know, this is obviously the most important team, uh, playing
Celtics' Defensive Challenges
00:00:30
Speaker
right now. It's the best team in Boston right now. They just had came off of a really incredible win the other night. Um, they're at halftime right now. Uh, and just, you know,
00:00:41
Speaker
just off the cuff not even like a talking point you know basketball obviously is a game of runs and I think the Celtics can can run as well as anybody else but I don't know for some reason they go through these mental lapses where they just don't seem to play defense like they're obviously good enough to win these games and talented enough but I don't get like sometimes a lack of closeout in India has the same problem like if
00:01:03
Speaker
If we were an Indianapolis fan or whatever, if we were a fan of their team, we'd be pissed too. They don't play defense. It's kind of this defensive struggle in this game. Off the cuff, it's halftime right now. I don't know if you guys want to lead off on your thoughts of the game going on right now.
00:01:22
Speaker
Sure, I'll jump in. I think, yeah, we can't finish the way we just finished off going into halftime. It was the same problem that we had at the last game that we have going on right now. I thought we did excellent coming out to start the second quarter after really not playing great defense in the entire first quarter. Yeah, we're just not closing out the halves. And I don't know what it is, why they're taking their foot off the gas at the final,
00:01:50
Speaker
you know, few minutes, but they just all of a sudden let's see, I can go to the basket like it's nothing and gets all those points. And it's just, it's very frustrating. You know, I think.
00:02:01
Speaker
You can't play defense on Siakam. I've literally, I tweeted out earlier, I noticed it last game at the foul line. They can't fucking play defense on Siakam. He's, he's ranked seven of eight this game. He's automatic from inside the paint. Like it's like, we have no answer somehow. Like this ain't, this ain't your old nineties NBA where everyone was in the paint.
00:02:20
Speaker
Like also when you throw out some dude like Siakam who's an old school player, he's just shooting twos in the paint and he feels unstoppable somehow. So it's weird how an old school player like this in the three ball era, I don't know, changes the mechanics of the game.
00:02:37
Speaker
Yeah, I mean we're struggling a lot. I mean on defensively I think uh, the biggest problem we have right now is the fact that we are getting chewed up on the the pick and roll They're just getting the switch. They're Exploiting l a lot which gets us in trouble and I think on top of that our guards are getting pretty lazy at guarding and getting out and closing out on the perimeter so
00:03:04
Speaker
While I hear what you're saying with him coming in and getting those twos, I think that's partially by design that they want to try and get, you know, let them come in the lane and do one on one inside the lane so that they can continuously protect the perimeter. But they're just having a really bad job about closing out. It's like they're just getting lazy on the switches and the guards aren't closing out. There's really just not a lot of
00:03:28
Speaker
consistent physicality out there. And I think this is the part that always concerned me about the Celtics is just they haven't been overly challenged. Um, and they just know there's a better team that they kind of get lazy about things. And the reality is, is you're getting, this is the Eastern conference finals, right?
Impact of Injuries on Strategy
00:03:49
Speaker
Indiana, while I think we should win is still a good team, right? And we can't just sit there and act like, well, it doesn't matter. We're going to win this game. Right.
00:03:59
Speaker
With the whole SEACM thing, trying to force them, guard their perimeter. I'm all about perimeter defense. That's clearly the way the league is going, but the intention of the good perimeter defense is you're going to let somebody inside and take maybe a low percentage shot. SEACM is seven of eight. It can't be like laps.
00:04:21
Speaker
every time like he just had his own mini run where he had three straight buckets and also like oh shoot like that changes the game all of a sudden like it's a mini Siakam run and so yes you got to guard the perimeter they're doing a pretty good job on on Halliburton
00:04:36
Speaker
But I don't know. I don't know what the answer is right now until you get Porzingis back. I don't know what your interior answer is. Everyone was saying today they were going to go with Tillman. Instead, they went smaller with Brissett because Cornette got hurt. So I think a little bit of a struggle there, and they got to figure out, Missoula will figure out what switches they need to make. I think Tillman's injured too, by the way. No, I thought he was out because his father died, I think. Yeah.
00:05:06
Speaker
Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. His father died. Oh, geez. Oh, sorry. But he's back today. He was shooting before the game. Oh, OK. All right. Yeah. He's rusty as hell, regardless, because he hasn't played a ton before before the series anyway.
00:05:24
Speaker
No, but it's basketball. We're in the three ball era. You've got to score a lot. You've got to find the best way you can D up. These games are obviously much more defensive in the playoffs with the consistent effort. Everyone's like, oh, they're shooting lights out. They're shooting lights out. How a team shoots usually correlates to how the defense is played by the opponent.
00:05:48
Speaker
That might sound simple, but when you're online talking to people on Twitter, everyone thinks it's just the randomness of how teams shoot. But if teams are getting wide open looks, they hit them. The NBA players are too good now at hitting threes. You have to close out. You have to contest shots. You have to play good defense consistently to keep teams below 100 points. And watching the Dallas
00:06:12
Speaker
versus Minnesota game last night that was pretty low scoring relatively compared to the Celtics Pacers like I'm a little concerned yes these are the two highest scoring teams of basketball playing but I'm a little concerned about the defense like I think it could be a little better
00:06:29
Speaker
and I think they could always
Media Coverage & Underrating of Celtics
00:06:30
Speaker
close out better. I think it will improve once Porzingis is back. But, you know, this game today, they should be up-branded. They're up six at the half. You know, you don't know what's going to happen the second half, but I think they should be up more considering they hit a really, really strong second quarter. So, I don't know.
00:06:50
Speaker
Yeah, they started off strong, and then they got flat. But again, I think the problem that I have with it is just our scheme, our defensive scheme, and there's just too many switches. And when you get a team like Indy that passes as much as they do with the ball movement, and then the picks and moving it around, like, you're going to get caught. And then when you get caught, that's when they get open books. So I think
00:07:16
Speaker
they can definitely play with more intensity. And I think there's points in which you look at and say that's just lazy defense. And then there's other points in which you look at and say, I don't think this is a great defensive scheme against a team like Indy. We got to start mixing it up. And I think
00:07:33
Speaker
You just got to start going to like a certain man approach and just not switching off at any point every point in time because you get yourself in trouble. And we just have so much defensive versatility that I think we just say, oh, well, anyone can guard anyone. But clearly that's not the case. Like clearly switching off and putting like Al Horford on Siakam is a bad move. Right. And that was what they were doing from the jump. They were looking at it and they were like,
00:07:59
Speaker
Well we're not going to do this anymore because Miles Turner went off on Al at the last game so we're going to switch it around and we're going to put Al on Siakam and now Siakam's going off so it's like
00:08:10
Speaker
Al is a problem right now. And then losing cornet potentially with a wrist injury is a problem. We don't have a lot of great depth there. And when they switch off and they allow us to get ourselves in a position where they're going to exploit out, we get in trouble. So I really think Mizzou will has got to get away from that and just realize that like, yes, yeah, comes a big guy, but like Brown Tatum.
00:08:35
Speaker
White can guard him all day. Drew could freaking guard him. You know what I mean? He would have enough body to keep him out for getting into his spot. Yeah. So we have enough versatility on our guards on defense. I just think we're being stupid and putting Al out in an island for a guy that's like freaking 40 and asking him to play 30 plus minutes a game and guard Siakam or Miles Turner who's like 10 years is younger is just a bad idea.
00:09:04
Speaker
He, Al, I mean, obviously struggled tremendously at the end of last game, game one, but like the Celtics, you know,
00:09:12
Speaker
They probably shouldn't have won that game. I'm obviously really happy they won the game, but incredible end to the fourth quarter. But Al got exposed, I mean, consistently exposed. They were hunting him, screening for him, finding him, and he could not piece it together. That was really brutal to watch because everyone saw what was going on, and he was exhausted.
00:09:35
Speaker
You gotta have another option there. Like anyone else, just a defensive specialist. I don't know who you go to, but you gotta sub out at that point. So I think that's on Missoula not making a change. Again, I don't know who he would have put in. You're not gonna have Cornette on the perimeter. But like, I don't know, Al got put on an island and he got exposed. So that was rough.
00:09:57
Speaker
Which is right, to Brett's point, it's probably more scheme than personnel at this point, right? At least until you get Porzenkis back. So the personnel can't change the personnel right now. So you have to change the scheme. It's really the first time that, at least in this post-season, that Missoula has been tested, right? So we have to see how he reacts and, you know, all the question marks we had about Missoula going into this year and this season, like, or this post-season,
00:10:28
Speaker
You know, this is the first time he's really being tested. They never really were tested against the Heat or the Kevillier. So, let's see what he does. Because you can't keep doing the same thing and expect a different type of result. Offensively, they got to get Tatum going tonight. He's... Yeah. He is not good. He is... Not right now. Not right now. Last game he scored 36, but right now he's like, he's struggling. But it clearly affects his...
00:10:55
Speaker
This is your, this is the problem, right? Like you were alluding to this before we came on is, you know, he doesn't hit a couple of shots and all of a sudden it's like, oh wait, his defense, he's not playing defense well. So, you know, he's, it was exceptional last game. He's an exceptional talent. He's a great player, all that, right? But like, he can't get down. You can't have him getting down. Yeah. That's my concern with Tatum.
00:11:22
Speaker
Yeah, I think Tatum's got a, when he gets in these bunks with shooting, someone needs to get in his head and just tell him to just drive to the basket because he's such a physical freak and he's so good at getting to the basket.
00:11:38
Speaker
that it's like, dude, you can out muscle anyone on the Pacers and get yourself to your spot and get a good look. And then just see that ball getting through the basket. Do that a couple of times. It just gets you going. And I think that's something that Tatum struggles with, because he gets in those funks, and then he's constantly jacking up those step-back threes or taking those fadeaway jumpers. And it's like next thing you know, the dude's like 2 for 10. And you're like, what are you doing?
00:12:08
Speaker
I mean, Jalen Brown's doing what we want him to do, which is Jalen Brown took over this first. He's got 24 points in the first half tonight. I mean, Jalen Brown is clearly taken to pretty personally that he didn't make all NBA, which he should have. He had votes and almost made 13, but like
00:12:26
Speaker
He's obviously pissed and like Jalen Brown is a tremendous player when he gets a head of steam too. I mean, he's almost unstoppable. He's a great player. So I think as soon as they hopefully get Tatum going in the second half, he'll be better. More broadly, I wanted to talk about
00:12:45
Speaker
just the national narrative again. I don't know what's going on with these national media guys. Did they get a directive or something? They're supposed to just shit on the Celtics? I don't understand it. It's the best team of the whole season, start to finish.
00:13:03
Speaker
Start to finish and all I do say you know well if the Celtics make the finals and win it's like whatever if they make the finals and they and they lose you know well really we're talking about the other guy like they've had some really bizarre take so do you guys think the national media has been really strange with these opinions.
00:13:23
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think it's definitely something where they like the hot new models that are coming out with the team. So they're really hyping up. Obviously, there's been a lot with the Anthony Edwards hype and then the comparison of Anthony Edwards and Tatum.
00:13:39
Speaker
I know you put it out there when Kenny Smith is talking about how regardless of what happens in the playoffs, whether the Dallas Mavericks loses to the Celtics or the Pacers.
00:13:54
Speaker
Timberwolves for the Celtics or the Pacers the face of it's going to be their Luca or it's gonna be Anthony Edwards and it was like Charles broccoli immediately just said that might be the thing I've ever heard for a hundred percent accurate. So yeah, it's just odd that they're doing it I know like I shared with you guys the clip a splice that ESPN had where they were talking about the Timberwolves game and
00:14:21
Speaker
You know how it was a great win for them against Denver and it was showing all like the highlights of Anthony Edwards making all of his like six baskets that he made in that entire game and then it goes to Jason Tatum and the Celtics and how they you know eke out a win but then it shows all the bricks that Tatum has and I'm just like this is just national media at its finest especially you know getting a glimpse of it at sports, but
00:14:46
Speaker
I don't know what it is. It's clearly something out there where people want to come at and say something different which fine because that's just fuel for the fire hopefully for these guys and keep them motivated because what we're doing is
00:15:01
Speaker
pretty freaking crazy. Yeah. I don't think it should have been a tight game. And like, yeah, we've gotten some breaks our way when it comes to some injuries, but I'm pretty sure we're the only team to ever start the playoffs nine and two. So, you know, we're winning games. And at the end of the day, that all that fucking matters is we win games. Yeah. I think part of it is like, I mean, part of it, like Lucas, specifically Lucas, like he's been a household name forever.
00:15:30
Speaker
More so than tatum or brown. So it's a little bit easier to say that like, you know If he were to lose it would be you know, he's been like a top five. Yeah ever and tatum Yeah, I know three years in a row first team on NBA, but like Mm-hmm have that type of cache to his name. You know what I mean? Which isn't for the why but why I don't know is some of it because they've been here and come up short for so long that it's almost like
00:16:00
Speaker
You know, you just said it though. You said he's made first team all NBA for three years. Yeah. Always had a running mate in Brown. They've always worked before the Irving for awhile. Um, you know, Gordon Hayward, which is, I know he's less of a name, but his ankle exploded. Yes. I'm aware Horford, but like they've, they've always been good, but never.
00:16:26
Speaker
It never gotten over the hump, right? The one time they made it, Tatum shit the bed in the finals, right? And Brown didn't, but, you know. But why won't they give the flowers to Tatum when he does have that game? You know, and maybe we obviously do here. Everyone loves him here. But it's weird, like, it's not like Luca is some super outgoing, crazy, you know, like hyper superstar. You know what I mean? Luca's Luca.
00:16:55
Speaker
Yeah, Lucas a fantastic player, but he's not out there like, making a name for himself and selling purses or something. You know, when you compare it to like, you know, maybe Anthony Edwards, they think is like going to be the most marketable. And so that's who they want to pump up as, as a, as a league. But the confusion is like, can they just not market Tatum? Like, what's like, what is it? Like, I don't like seriously, what is it? Like, what are they having problems with? Well, like we said, Tatum, well,
00:17:24
Speaker
Edwards is like he's a personality like he's that's like a that's he you can market that because I get that I get that you're I mean like he's awesome like you know I mean obviously I hope the Celtics obviously if they were to play a beat up but like I don't know there's something about is this this personality and like his game and everything that's just it's awesome right it's marketable it's it is what it is and they don't have that as much with Brown and Tatum they just don't
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know what it is, man. I don't know why the league picks to choose is like who they decide are the next, the next ones, but like to, to give Anthony Edwards, the hype he's gotten with the last few games he's had, which have been not great.
Tatum's Recognition & Drive
00:18:13
Speaker
They just want the new Jordan, they want the new LeBron, they're looking to see who it is and I think they've already decided it's not Jason Tatum. They've decided he's not the one we're going to market and maybe he's just too passive from St. Louis and he doesn't have the fire, he's a really even keel guy.
00:18:32
Speaker
I'm sure he's a really nice guy in person. You know what I mean? I don't know what it is exactly that they feel like they're missing, but the league does not want to hype him up. I think it's probably to Snooty's point. I mean, Tatum's been at so many runs and he's been to the finals. He's been to the Eastern Conference multiple times. He's had a lot of great winning teams.
00:18:56
Speaker
and hasn't been able to get over the hump, which is the biggest criticism people have on Tatum is he doesn't have that killer mentality. He doesn't have that edge that's going to win you championships. And I think because he's gone so many cracks at it.
00:19:11
Speaker
that he gets basically checked out and said, well, he's not, he doesn't have the mental makeup to be able to do it. So until he does it, people just sort of write him off. Whereas Luca, Anthony Edwards and Hal Burton from Indy right now, I mean, all of these guys, this is their best chance that they've had in their careers and they're all young careers. Luca is pretty much on par with Tatum for like career wise, but like,
00:19:37
Speaker
Anthony Edwards was obviously a younger guy at like 22, Halliburton's I think like 24, so...
00:19:42
Speaker
My guess is that it's one of those things where it's sort of an older narrative with Tatum. He's been there for a while. And even when he was there, like there was always someone else with a team that kind of shined on it. So I think Snooty makes a really great point there. And that's kind of why Tatum's not getting the flowers right now, which again, it's fine by me. I really don't give a shit about the flowers. I hope he doesn't give a shit about the flowers. I hope he realizes
00:20:07
Speaker
The only thing that's going to help legacy is championships and when the NBA comes to legacy guys, it's it's all about the ranks. I think I don't know if Tatum cares. You know, that's part of the problem is like some guys obviously really want the.
00:20:20
Speaker
the accolades I think deep down most people want recognition like that's a human trait and you know sometimes those guys find the recognition when they win titles like Tom Brady you know Brady just wanted to win and he knew if he kept winning he's gonna get the recognition he wants because you know again
00:20:38
Speaker
You can pretend you don't have an ego or you don't have a big ego, but we know Tom Brady has a huge ego. You can't be an assassin on the field without having some sort of large ego. So that's what we all want from Tatum is become that person. Have the killer instinct, become that assassin, the ego driven person like Michael Jordan, like LeBron. I mean, these are guys that are killers.
00:21:05
Speaker
And that's the type of mentality you need. I hope they get over the hump this year. This is the year, man. Then they're a great team. So I hope they do it. If they don't get here, just based on health and contract and age and stuff like that, obviously not Brown and Tatum.
Championship Aspirations
00:21:23
Speaker
But as the team is currently built with Holiday and with Porzingis, it has to be this year. You can't bank on Porzingis being healthy again.
00:21:34
Speaker
And I know he's hurt right now, but you can't bank on that. You can't bank on holiday being healthy the whole time. You just can't. So it has to be this year. It's championship or bust, regardless of like the injury makeup. Obviously, if we had like another major injury, then that's always the the hedge, right? But it's championship or bust. And we have to be able to close this one out and
00:21:59
Speaker
and get the job done. But I thought from the beginning with this team, it's just been a different mindset the whole year. I feel like they more often than not have responded, have won games, have hit when controversy comes about. I even think back to the beginning of the season and when they got guys like Porzingis and got Drew Holliday.
00:22:23
Speaker
you know, Tatum and Brown called all players meeting and basically said like, we have to play on selfish basketball. There's just too much talent. Some guys might have it one night, some guys might have it another night, things like that. But we got to understand like our role and play in towards it. And I would say Brown and Tatum have led by example with that this entire year with how they have played and deferred to one another and like,
00:22:45
Speaker
You know, we just harped on Tatum and really just struggling tonight. But I think if you were asked Tatum after the game, he would talk about the fact that, yeah, he wished he would do better with his shots, but ultimately like Brown balled out and we got the W and that's all that matters. And I think I really think they've matured enough to recognize it, which is why I've been saying that they're going to win the championship because they can just have the talent.
00:23:08
Speaker
They have the experience and I think their mindsets friendly in the right spot for them to be able to do it So even if one guy has a bad night, the other guy picks up the slack, but I mean they're they actually posted a pregame They're like two games behind I think McHale and bird for most times and a Celtics having both hits scoring over 25 points and
00:23:30
Speaker
they'll probably break that this playoff run. So their dynamic duo is happening this year. Uh, it's really just got to come down to defense. We got to clean up, get better on defense. And I think it's got to be schemed based on what we're dealing with with KP. I'm not concerned about them offensively. Right. But like what, so what were you talking about earlier, what you just said, right? Like, so they're coming up on the most games, but you said burden McHale, but what do they have to show for it? Right? Like that's
00:23:58
Speaker
You know what I mean? It's like, that's why. Like, that's why everybody's just a little bit fatigued by it, because it's like, you know, it's empty numbers, right? It's just empty stats at this point. You know what I mean? Look at when, though, these guys win championships. I mean, seriously, like, if you look at look at Braun, you know, look at even look at Jordan. When was Jordan's first championship? How old was he? 28. He was like 28. How old was Braun?
00:24:23
Speaker
I think it was the same 28. So again, next follow up. What did Braun have to do to win? No, I understand. They have to learn how to win and do it. No, no, no. But no, no. More specifically, like Braun literally went to Miami and formed a literal super team with like an announcement tour thing. Like they literally like he had to form a super team to win.
00:24:47
Speaker
You know, and I know that's not a knock. I think LeBron's great. I'm just saying like that was what LeBron
Team Dynamics & Historical Comparisons
00:24:52
Speaker
did. He literally, it wasn't like he just wrote out with the Cleveland, like we're going to keep drafting and we're going to do it. No, he left. He left and went to Miami with Wade and Bosch. That was the whole thing. So it's like, you know, and Jordan too, like Jordan needed Pippin.
00:25:07
Speaker
And then he needed to fully develop, and then he needed to wait until the 90s. 80s Michael Jordan was an incredible basketball player. He's going 37 a game one year.
00:25:18
Speaker
But he still couldn't win. You couldn't win until you had the team. And Phil Jackson. Sometimes it just doesn't fucking work. You need to build the team. You need to build the program and have the right mix. And for this team, it takes a long time to break through. We don't know. This team, this iteration,
00:25:40
Speaker
You know, I don't know if they could win none. They could win four. I really don't know. I mean, you hope they obviously have some sort of just run where they're really, and they've, they've been consistently good, but not good enough. So I'm hoping this is the breakthrough and this is the year they obviously, they can do it. So.
00:25:58
Speaker
Right. I'm just saying that like that it speaks to the fatigue is like they've been in the fine. They've been in the conference finals for how many years in a row? Right. And they've been the finals March. It's just fatigue of seeing the same guys come up and be like, well, you're just going to fall short because you just, you always fall short. That's why they, that's kind of where it nationally. That's why it's, it's kind of gotten that way.
00:26:23
Speaker
Yeah, call them the bills. They say they're the buffalo bills. Who is it? Colin Coward said they're the buffalo bills of the NBA. Well, Coward's an idiot, but he's also not entirely wrong in that sense, right? Like they've, it's stupid because it's like,
00:26:36
Speaker
They're clearly well within their prime to be able to make, you know, to still break through. They were a little off, but you know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to give power that much credit, but I understand what you're saying. But yeah, I mean, I get it in the sense that like, they've come up short a bunch. Don't get me wrong. But like, it's also like, all right, they were like 20 when they were doing that. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like we're like, you know, see veterans coming in and come consistently coming up short like the bills were. So, you know,
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean they're entering their prime now, like entering. You know what I mean? Your basketball prime is like...
00:27:13
Speaker
You know, for most guys, like 27 is your athletic prime, you know, 27 to 33, 27 to 32, like that's the prime prime. So like these are their years. So you got to sign and lock up Tatum. And then you have Tatum and Brown for a bunch of seasons. And you know, you see like you can build around those two guys anytime. Like you, you, you get Brad Stevens, the ammunition and you just have Tatum and Brown. You tell me you don't think he could build a competitive team every single season.
00:27:40
Speaker
If you have tantrum brown locked up you're in contention every year every year and that's exactly what we want You know I mean like I think we're in a really good spot obviously Yeah, you have those two locked up. You're in contention every year. That's how the NBA works, so you know You're at least in I mean especially in the east which isn't great I think it's a little bit overstated how like everyone talks like it's it's nothing, but I think that's a little bit overstated, but it's also
00:28:10
Speaker
It's not great at the same time.
00:28:12
Speaker
I mean, I've talked about this before. I think the East is tougher than people give credit for. The problem that happened in this playoff run is you had a lot of big name guys out. Giannis was injured. Dame was injured. Embiid was injured. Butler was injured. You know, Nick just lost like so many guys on their side. He got injured. Donovan Mitchell got injured. You're talking superstars that got injured on the East side, which really screwed up a lot of things for competition wise. But yeah,
00:28:42
Speaker
I think East overall is much tougher than people give it credit for. It's just there was tons of injuries this year. That's why everyone's mad though. I mean, you got, you know, they wanted these matchups or a good matchup with Donovan Mitchell. Sorry to say they weren't winning with Donovan Mitchell either. You know, and I think with Philly with Embiid, I don't think Philly stood a chance against this Boston team. Like I do think they're underrating Boston, but of course the NBA is a league wants competitive games.
00:29:11
Speaker
I mean you know the nuggets losing to the to the terminals like you know dallas ekes through. Like i say ekes like dallas got in and yeah they they luckily for dallas like they have star power between luka and kairi but they were like the fifth seed they've never been an outstanding team.
00:29:29
Speaker
with Luca they're really good but they've never been like a crazy dominant team so we don't really know what they're capable of. You know like obviously they could beat anybody but like I don't know how good that team is. I mean they did just beat Minnesota once so I mean it's interesting but I think the league would do well with a Boston and you know either Minnesota or Dallas I think they to be honest I think either one they could market. I think if it's like Pacers versus Dallas that's an absolute atrocity.
00:29:58
Speaker
They would in atrocity for the league no, but like to your point, right? Like I guess we're kind of saying the same thing that like I think the East is better than it's being talked about I still don't I don't Respect Philly really It's Milwaukee and it's it's Boston really because I know Indiana can score and they're gonna they might give them a series here, but like the heat even with
00:30:26
Speaker
Butler, meh, like the Knicks, I don't know, they're like a fun team, but are they really going to make like a serious push for a championship? No. You know what I mean? Like it's these, it's better than people think. And like, yes, injuries obviously played a part, but I don't think it's as good as the West is what I'm saying.
00:30:45
Speaker
Dude, the Knicks were just Isaiah Thomas Celtics from like 2017.
Eastern vs. Western Conference Debate
00:30:51
Speaker
A fun team that did some shit with one guy going crazy. Yeah, one undersized player doing really, really well. Taking a ton of shots, you know? Yeah, but that's really the Isaiah Thomas Celtics.
00:31:05
Speaker
You also have to remember though, they were down OG, they were down Randall, like they were down some top guys. So Bronson Bronson's a stud. I hear what you're saying. I tend to think, you know, Billy's gonna
00:31:22
Speaker
as we say the Jets are gonna jet Philly's gonna Philly's gonna Philly like Embiid's gonna choke it away like he's just he's the guy that I look at and say like wildly overhyped because he just crumbles consistently in the big moments like people shit on Tatum like Embiid is way worse and so I think yeah
00:31:43
Speaker
But they're still a tough out. I still think they would have been a tough team to go through. So I just think the East is not as clear a path like every year as we got this year, clearly. But overall, we still have Tatum and Brown, which is the best duo in basketball. So we should win and be in contention every year as long as we have Tatum and Brown.
Conclusion & Game Anticipation
00:32:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. All right. I'm gonna I'll lock it up now just cuz we Can go watch the rest of this game. The Celtics are up 82 to 71 right now So let's let's get it going Hopefully you get a get a W and go up to nothing which would be great So I'm gonna steal by jail around and a foul and one there you go. What do you want a dog? What a dog? All right. See you guys later. Peace