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EPISODE 36 - STEFON DIGGS IS BACK. Patriots OTA talk with Michael Hurley!
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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Savage Boston
All right, guys, what's going on? Welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here today. It is June 3rd, about 830 at night, 2025. I like to timestamp it every time. So in case when our when our takes get sour, you know they're in the past.
00:00:16
Savage Boston
I'm here with ah the esteemed, ah the man, the myth, the legend, Michael Hurley tonight. How we doing, Michael?
00:00:24
Michael Hurley
I'm doing well. What's going on?
Current Boston Sports Scene
00:00:26
Savage Boston
Oh, not much. You know, just ah enjoying what appears to be the next, what, month and a half of total Boston sports dead zone?
00:00:34
Michael Hurley
It's going to be dark. It's going to be dark. The Red Sox just like refuse. It wouldn't be that hard for them to just be kind of relevant, you know, and they just refuse to go there.
00:00:44
Savage Boston
I honestly, like, don't, not to tangent this, but, like, I don't get what the fuck is happening. Like when we were younger, and I am going to tangent this, like when we younger, like they were at least fucking competent for a long time. Like theirs their baseline was pretty good.
00:00:58
Savage Boston
And now it's like they their baseline is suck. It's like the Patriots last couple of years. Like what? i don't I truly don't get how it's how it's evolved to this.
00:00:58
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:01:08
Michael Hurley
I would say, I like my memories as a kid is the team, like just kind of sucking, you know, and just like the the reason it's shocking now is because like they have these resources and it's like such a business where it can't be that hard.
00:01:18
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:20
Michael Hurley
Like they haven't had a first basement in like 15 years, it feels like. I know. And it's not that long. Like it's a pretty important position. They're like, I don't know, put Bobby Dahl back there. And it's like you need to you need to pay someone to do it who does it for a living. It's it's been really weird.
00:01:35
Savage Boston
It's like they sucked forever, got really awesome for 20 years, and now there's like content being back to sucking, which is weird.
Baseball Season Excitement
00:01:43
Michael Hurley
but you know what if you notice these past two nights with the angels in town it's been banged out it looks like 2007 in there like it's full and i don't know it's still school still going on it's the angels there's no visiting fans so they're making money and that's probably ultimately what matters the most yeah
00:01:43
Savage Boston
ah
00:01:50
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:59
Savage Boston
think you just hit June and everyone just, I don't know, so just thinks baseball. But um yeah, obviously we got, you know, the one thing we got, like this, the little the little bit little tidbits we're getting at OTAs.
OTAs and Media Access
00:02:10
Savage Boston
It's least nice to letting the media in.
00:02:12
Savage Boston
Otherwise, like truly you've no idea what the hell we'd be talking about.
00:02:15
Michael Hurley
That's a good point. Yeah.
00:02:16
Savage Boston
I mean, at least it's something.
00:02:18
Michael Hurley
It's one of those things like, what are you going to overreact to Drake? May throwing four picks. It's like, well, yes, because it's May and nothing's happening. So.
00:02:24
Savage Boston
Yeah. Like what, I don't, like, I don't know what people expect the beat writers to beat writers to do in some regard. Like, like your buddy Doug, like, do we want them to not write articles?
00:02:33
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Do we want them to not say Efton Chisholm had 800 catches in one day? Like you got to report what happens.
00:02:40
Savage Boston
I mean, honestly, it's crazy. So I guess to to start off on on that point, that's that's the man the hour, man, is Efton Chisholm.
Undrafted Players and Roster Battles
00:02:47
Savage Boston
Like, I know every year we're going to have, um you know, not every year it's like white boy summer, but like certainly this year it's shaping up to be a fun roster battle between Efton Chisholm, you know, Land Larrison, and probably Brock Lampe, who's going to be the grittiest warrior and in training camp.
00:03:07
Savage Boston
So, I mean, out of those three guys, you know,
00:03:07
Michael Hurley
which Which one of those, which one's the mustache guy?
00:03:10
Savage Boston
Lane Larrison.
00:03:11
Michael Hurley
Got it. I would keep forgetting. Like, I have to check every time. I'm sorry.
00:03:16
Savage Boston
I don't see how he makes the roster, but I mean, I, again, he hasn't, we haven't been in pads yet, so who knows, but.
00:03:20
Michael Hurley
Right. Right. Um, well, the Chisholm thing's interesting because it does seem like there's always that undrafted guy. And the reason they stand out at this time of year is because like, who is trying harder than the undrafted guy?
00:03:33
Michael Hurley
You know, like who is, who is like, my life depends on whether I win this rep.
00:03:34
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:03:38
Michael Hurley
It's the guy whose life depends on winning that rep and making, you know, his weekly paycheck in May for whatever he's getting paid right now. So, um, It makes sense. It's going to be different when pads are on and guys care a little bit more.
00:03:51
Michael Hurley
But it's just one of those interesting things. We know Rable's coming in, like no BS, no entitlement, whatever. And it's just like, if you come in and you're Jalen Polk and you got to look at an undrafted free agent out of East Washington, right?
00:04:06
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:04:06
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, Eastern Washington, yeah.
00:04:07
Michael Hurley
Like, you've got to look at them. Like, you've gotta you've just got to be better than him. So we'll see how it plays out. I'll like give him a chance. But um that's it's yeah that it's the shock. It'll be absolutely shocking if this kid makes it over a second-round pick from a year ago.
00:04:23
Savage Boston
I mean, honestly, like, if you're Jalen Polk and that happens and you get cut, I don't know how you, I mean, i don't know how you deal, but.
00:04:29
Michael Hurley
Yeah, that's tough.
00:04:31
Savage Boston
that's ah That's
Receiver Roles and Trades Speculation
00:04:32
Savage Boston
a tough look. But Jalen Polk, I mean, even guys down there already, you look at between between Chisholm and Polk, right? and And I don't know, is Polk, are they trying to play him at X? I don't know.
00:04:40
Michael Hurley
and't I don't know. I haven't been down there myself. So I just basically, i kind of read what Doug writes.
00:04:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:04:45
Michael Hurley
And then when we get in the podcast, I'm like, Doug, what happened at practice? It's the best way I've ever covered football personally. But yeah, I don't have all the answers that I might otherwise.
00:04:54
Savage Boston
I mean, honestly, because, ah you know, i don't know if they're exactly competing for the same role, right? But, like, that's the thing. If people compare Chisholm to Polk, but, like, I think you got to compare Chisholm to Pop Douglas probably, right?
00:05:05
Michael Hurley
Douglas.
00:05:06
Savage Boston
Because they're going to both play slot.
00:05:08
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and Douglas is probably another guy who has no, I don't want to say standing with Vrabel, but Vrabel doesn't owe him anything. You know, Vrabel's not like, oh, well we got to fit Pop on the team.
00:05:15
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:17
Michael Hurley
He doesn't know Pop Douglas. And that's a guy who, when he showed up as a rookie out of Liberty, was like, the first day we saw him on the field in training cap camp, he was a celebrity.
00:05:27
Michael Hurley
Like, the coaches were freaking out every time he made a play. The teammates were freaking out. So, like, he was a guy that really impressed the Belichick regime that carried over, obviously, into Mayo. I don't know that Mike Vrabel has any thoughts about him.
00:05:39
Michael Hurley
So he's out there and yeah, you're right Those are the guys that are going have to compete Chisholm and and Douglas. And maybe that's more of apt competition than last year's second round pick.
00:05:50
Michael Hurley
So don't know. I really don't know. I think ultimately you come to the same conclusion is that the receiving room is not very good, but at least it's an intriguing story to watch.
00:05:58
Savage Boston
yeah
00:06:01
Savage Boston
And we probably got like, everyone's saying Matt Collins is a lock. So it's like you have what what I would think is like four locks between, you know, obviously like, you know, Diggs and Matt Collins, Kyle Williams, and and i would have thought Pop Douglas.
00:06:15
Savage Boston
But I think it was Andrew Callahan who floated out that he thought there might be a ah ah really, really small chance that someone like Pop Douglas gets traded or like does not quite a full lock for the roster.
00:06:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:06:27
Savage Boston
Like, I don't know how you feel about that.
00:06:28
Michael Hurley
Well, I could see him be like actually having value as it's like when when we heard earlier this offseason booty was a trade subject.
00:06:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:36
Michael Hurley
It's like, well, no one's going to trade it. Like you might get a future seventh, you know, like not even the next year seventh.
00:06:41
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:42
Michael Hurley
So Pop Douglas, I don't know what you could get. It's probably like a sixth or a fifth. I don't, I don't, but it's someone I could see a team being like, oh, he could fit with us. You know, a lot of teams maybe like, like a Miami or something. It's easy to see him fitting in compared to guys that are at the bottom of the depth chart and probably don't have any value that if they did have to clear space, they could at least recoup something for it.
00:07:05
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, it's good point that, you know, Vrabel, yeah, has no allegiance to anybody, which i actually love.
Roster Loyalty and Coaching Criticisms
00:07:12
Savage Boston
um
00:07:13
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:07:13
Savage Boston
Because, you know, obviously there there should have been more turnover at the roster level from Belichick to Mayo. And not like we have to go ah recount the entire debacle that was Gerard Mayo in that year.
00:07:27
Savage Boston
But the fact that they ran back a roster that was 4-13 and they just ran it back is kind of insane to me.
00:07:32
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:07:34
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and it's one of those things where like a lot of the guys they re-signed were like the good players on the bad team. you know like Like re-signing Kyle Duggar. He was a good player on a bad team. You can't just get rid of everyone, but it was jarring that it was like, well, what's the plan to get better?
00:07:49
Michael Hurley
like If you bring back if you bring that the player that bring back the players who were good on a bad team, you're going to be a bad team again, and that's lo and behold what they were.
00:07:49
Savage Boston
yeah
00:07:56
Michael Hurley
so i mean Ultimately, I know you don't want to rehash the whole thing. i'm still like I saw a clip on Twitter the other day of a Gerard Mayo EEI interview, and it was like, This is like the twilight zone.
00:08:06
Michael Hurley
I can't even believe this happened.
00:08:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:09
Michael Hurley
And we kind of had eyebrows raised at the time at some of those interviews. But in retrospect, it's it's even worse. Like this guy had no plan. He had no strategy. He had he had no like roster construction, coaching staff construction. He was just sort of like, yeah, whatever.
00:08:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah, we'll be good. I don't know. Figure it out. No, we're no rush. And it was just if you've like been around football at any level, like probably Pop Warner these days, coaches are insane.
00:08:35
Michael Hurley
You know, like every second, every play, every snap matters in Mayo. Even the middle of the was like, I never thought I could change the culture in one year. And it's like, that's the whole point.
00:08:43
Savage Boston
That's crazy.
00:08:44
Michael Hurley
Like, how much time did you think you have?
00:08:44
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:46
Michael Hurley
So that was one of the weirdest chapters in in football history.
00:08:50
Savage Boston
mean, the walk back, you know, the walk back Mondays or whatever, like I don't think we've ever heard quotes. I mean, from Belichick giving you nothing to Mayo being horrible every week. It was it was unbelievable. And I saw a bunch of those clips too. You're talking about the one where ah saw one. I mean, this is the head coach.
00:09:08
Savage Boston
This is the coach to the fucking New England Patriots. sitting there with EI, with Hillman or whatever, talking about um making jokes about him himself walking back comments.
00:09:18
Savage Boston
like He got called out by another host there, Curtis, about ah you know sticking his foot in his mouth and walking it back.
00:09:21
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:09:24
Savage Boston
And he's laughing and all like, oh, ha good one. It's like,
00:09:27
Michael Hurley
I'll get you off air. It's like, what? where
00:09:29
Savage Boston
It's like, brother, you're like you're the you're the coach of the fucking Patriots.
00:09:32
Michael Hurley
I know. Like, yeah.
00:09:32
Savage Boston
du dude This dude, not to shit on this guy, but like this is like this is like me riffing with Mayo and and Mayo being like, you got me. It's like, no, dude, like these are different levels now.
00:09:43
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and that's what shocks me the most. And I've said this a million different ways in a million places. is like People are like, oh, it was he was overwhelmed. It was his first year. It's like he had been in the NFL since 2008.
00:09:54
Michael Hurley
He took two years off after he stopped playing.
00:09:54
Savage Boston
yeah
00:09:55
Michael Hurley
But like being around the NFL shouldn't have been shell-shocking to him. Yet there he was. And that what that clip was when he was basically saying May had outplayed Brissette at the end of the summer, but Brissette was going to play anyway.
00:10:07
Michael Hurley
I was like, why He had no answer. And I still don't – That was the common thing is he didn't really have any answer ever.
00:10:15
Savage Boston
I saw that clip where he was like playing on the sidelines, um like fake, fake ducking.
00:10:20
Michael Hurley
Oh, I forgot about that one.
00:10:21
Savage Boston
Remember that one?
00:10:22
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:10:22
Savage Boston
I saw that again. That was like week two or something.
00:10:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:25
Savage Boston
He's like, Oh, ha ha ha. He's like laughing at the players. It's like, At the time, i like, oh this is this is all right. I was like, okay, very cute, very nice moment, very good Gerard, okay. Then now you look back, you're like, what the fuck?
00:10:38
Michael Hurley
yeah Yeah, vibes we thought were high. Vibes were weird, actually. But I don't know. I mean, you look at the the change to this year, you have basically, it feels like David Andrews like suffocated into retirement by Mike Vrabel. Like, no, I don't need you.
00:10:53
Michael Hurley
No, I'm not interested. It's like, if you you watch David Andrews the other day, assume, weeping, weep like he couldn't even start his press conference without weeping.
00:10:57
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:11:01
Michael Hurley
It's like, this dude didn't want to quit. He wanted to try to play and he wasn't even allowed to.
00:11:04
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:11:06
Michael Hurley
So maybe it's like, a little too far swung the other way, but you can tell there's just no loyalty to anyone that had anything to do with any Patriots team.
00:11:15
Savage Boston
I mean, I think – I mean, I don't know you know. I'm not in the room, right? So, like, I don't know. I've spoken to people around David, like a lot of people have, and it's been very hush-hush for months and months and months, right, that he was going to retire.
00:11:28
Savage Boston
First, it was like it leaked out that he was going to get released early. I don't think he wanted that to to to leak.
00:11:28
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:11:34
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:11:34
Savage Boston
And then I got – and then, you know, see him at an event, right, and he looks like he weighs 240 pounds.
00:11:40
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:11:41
Savage Boston
like, well, this guy's not kind of this guy's not going to play in the NFL at center.
00:11:41
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:11:44
Michael Hurley
Right. Yeah. And so and I was talking to Doug about this the other day, so I'll give him the credit, even though I could lie and say, ah it's me, I guess like he was around a lot during the season last year and he had basically, he had kept his weight up.
00:11:51
Savage Boston
Take all the credit.
00:11:56
Michael Hurley
It wasn't until sometime this off, so but even when we saw him at that night at vitamin C a month and a half ago so Monday, it looks like he lost another hundred pounds.
00:11:57
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:12:05
Michael Hurley
So clearly, yeah, no, he looks, he's got a different face.
00:12:06
Savage Boston
looks great.
00:12:08
Michael Hurley
It's crazy.
00:12:09
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:10
Michael Hurley
Um, I kind of want to gain 300 pounds just so I can lose 200 pounds, but, but Somewhere it definitely changed, but it did sound like he wanted to give it a go and at least try to play, but didn't want to, I understand, not want to like move and try it with a team you don't know and then get cut or put on an IR. But yeah, he didn't he that was probably never a conversation here.
00:12:30
Savage Boston
I mean, i don't know why, you know, I don't know Again, with Vrabel, right? was Did he just watch the tape? Or was he like, he's a captain who who had a really bad shoulder and like, I'm just going to cut bait here and move in a different direction.
00:12:44
Savage Boston
Like, I don't know how you make that assessment before you can let the guy try ah compete.
00:12:46
Michael Hurley
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the weird thing because everyone was like, oh, he's getting rid of all of Belichick's guys. And it's like, I get it and everything we just talked about. But it's also like there's no football team that is like, I would like to get rid of a guy like David Andrews.
00:12:56
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:01
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:01
Michael Hurley
You know, he's the guy you want around.
00:13:03
Michael Hurley
So i I'm guessing it was strictly medical, you know, and just assuming it wouldn't get better. And it it probably won't because if it could, I think that guy would still be playing.
00:13:14
Savage Boston
Yeah. From, I mean, from what I understand and, and what's kind of leaked out is that his shoulder, uh, was really bad.
00:13:20
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:13:20
Savage Boston
It's worse than people thought. And it's really hard to play fucking center in the NFL.
00:13:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:13:24
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah. I mean, an undersized guy lasting a decade at the NFL, like a guy that wasn't drafted a guy that was deemed too small to be drafted. And we looked the other night, there were like 13 centers drafted that year and he wasn't one of them.
00:13:36
Savage Boston
Hmm.
00:13:37
Michael Hurley
So to last as long as he did, i know we obviously had the medical year where he missed and then he missed most of last year, but. to last that long at a position that is just frigging brutal. ah You know, the body can't do it forever. And it's it's he's clearly not at peace with it.
00:13:53
Michael Hurley
But the team, ah the current regime definitely kind of forced him along in that.
00:13:58
Savage Boston
Yeah, I wonder – I mean, that's actually an easy segue into my – again, it's it's June, right? Beginning of June. We don't have to go too deep on the O-line.
00:14:09
Savage Boston
Deep cuts, right?
00:14:10
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:14:11
Savage Boston
But like I don't really get what they did at left tackle – sorry, left guard.
00:14:16
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:14:17
Savage Boston
Left tackle yet. ah Left guard. Because if you had an opportunity to trade for someone like Joe Tooney – I can't get over the Joe Tooney thing because like it was like a future fourth.
00:14:25
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:14:28
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:14:29
Savage Boston
you have a ton of money. Is a veteran a guy that you know is an all pro? I know he's aging a little.
00:14:34
Michael Hurley
He's in a contract. He's in a contract here. So it's like, you'll get the best of him.
00:14:38
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't get why. they I think it was actually just a miss. like i like I'm not sure if they weren't in on him or they just didn't pursue him, but to have a veteran at left guard next to Campbell, and no, I'm not lumping Cole Strange in with that's only because he just has such limited play experience.
00:14:41
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:54
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:14:54
Savage Boston
um I don't get like why how did they miss there?
00:14:57
Michael Hurley
Yeah, no, it's and I just looked up. It was a fourth round pick was the trade.
00:15:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, was a future fourth, I think. It was like 2026 fourth.
00:15:04
Michael Hurley
2026. So yeah, I mean, that's that's a trade you should be making.
00:15:04
Savage Boston
yeah
00:15:09
Michael Hurley
You're right. um I think what you mentioned is probably significant. Like he's not. but It's not five years ago. And, you know, the latest tape is him playing tackle in the Super Bowl getting absolutely worked. But it's like, well, he wouldn't be playing tackle. And I think that's the the goal.
00:15:25
Michael Hurley
I get, you know, like everywhere else on the line, they've they've really they've really honed in and put a lot of resources toward it. it Center, they got Bradbury. They've drafted Wilson.
00:15:35
Michael Hurley
They had the right guard in place in the when you they signed Morgan Morgan. They obviously drafted Bill Campbell Heights, like every other position. They're like, yeah. In that one, they're just kind of like, you know someone will do it.
00:15:46
Michael Hurley
And I don't know, I guess in a best case scenario, right, Cole Strange is like a mediocre to subpar left guard. And then you're kind of okay, right?
00:15:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:15:56
Michael Hurley
Like, but that's that's kind of, that's no guarantee.
00:15:56
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean, hope. That's what I mean. like everyone's it's like it's like ah Everyone just assumes Cole can play that. I've heard they they've been playing some other kid at guard. like tyrese was a Tyrese Robinson.
00:16:07
Michael Hurley
Tyrese Robinson, they signed Wes Schweitzer, and then there's still Leighton Robinson is still there. City So maybe. So like there's bodies.
00:16:15
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:16
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:16:16
Savage Boston
just a hodgepodge of kind of
00:16:18
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:16:19
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:20
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and and if you have – I guess the difference is because I saw – I don't know. I'll say Mark Daniels. it could have been anyone like tweeting out the offensive line at one of the first OTAs that was open.
00:16:28
Savage Boston
yeah
00:16:29
Michael Hurley
And i so I looked at it, and I was like, yeah, I mean, that'll work. you know like it's not
00:16:32
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:33
Michael Hurley
It's not a level five chaotic fire like it was last year. like it's it's Instead of the 32nd-ranked offensive line, if it's 22nd, we can watch this.
00:16:45
Michael Hurley
We can –
00:16:46
Savage Boston
yeah i feel like that's pretty accurate saying it's actually going from 32 to about, yeah, 22.
00:16:47
Michael Hurley
we can experience real football
00:16:55
Savage Boston
I was going to say like 25, you know, something like that.
00:16:57
Michael Hurley
yeah like whatever you know whatever it is it's it's it's it should be functional and the thing you said that people would assume about cole strange we're also assuming about will campbell which is like oh yeah he could do the hardest job in professional sports i'm sure so he still has to prove it but you would think if you draft a guy there
00:16:59
Savage Boston
Yeah, exactly.
00:17:08
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:16
Michael Hurley
I hate to say he can play a position. like He should be able to play that position.
00:17:21
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:21
Michael Hurley
why But that's easier said than done.
00:17:23
Savage Boston
I mean, concern though at the middle, you know, Garrett Bradbury at center though.
00:17:24
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:17:27
Savage Boston
Like, do you remember his, ah do you, do you know what his pass block ranking is? Again, I use PFF because they're the the only place I can look up a quick grade. Right.
00:17:35
Michael Hurley
yeah Wasn't he like 51st out of 51 guys or something?
00:17:36
Savage Boston
Um,
00:17:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, close. and he was his past They gave him a 48 pass block grade. They said he's 55 out of 64 qualified centers.
00:17:46
Michael Hurley
Nice. Yeah, no, not good.
00:17:47
Savage Boston
Right? and Not ideal, right? And so you got him pass blocking. You don't know your left guard. And then Mike Nguyenu came in and he weighs probably 375 pounds So...
00:17:57
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:17:57
Savage Boston
so
00:17:58
Michael Hurley
I mean, I'm trying to check because, again, I'm not like a draft expert, as was that event we went at. It was clear. I was like, who do you like on day three? And I was like, nobody. Next.
00:18:09
Michael Hurley
But this Jared Wilson kid seems to be a really good pick. um And the fact that he was there, i don't I don't know that he was expected to be there when they got him in the third round.
00:18:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:18:19
Michael Hurley
So, it's I don't want to say like insurance straight up, but it's it's it's intrigued like it's it might be a real roster battle. you know and That'll be interesting to watch.
00:18:27
Savage Boston
Yeah. I would love for him to to be able to get in there at center. It'd be great.
00:18:32
Savage Boston
you can just start Like David Andrews, right? you can just get him in, get him playing. like
00:18:32
Michael Hurley
Center from Georgia.
00:18:36
Michael Hurley
senator from center from georgia
00:18:36
Savage Boston
That'd be awesome. Yeah, exactly. i' be perfect, to be honest. But... but Yeah, Will Campbell, though, like, i mean, I love the draft. I follow the draft pretty pretty close just because it's, again, when we get to the dead zone post-football, we're all, like, into football here, right?
00:18:52
Savage Boston
So, um you know, you're reading reading all the analysis. You're following it, all the mocks. You get really sick of the mock drafts, right?
00:18:59
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:18:59
Savage Boston
But um with Will Campbell, he's a hyper-athletic kid. He's a really strong kid. i've I said leading up to the draft, I'm probably on this podcast all over the place just saying i don't really know if he's going to be a true left tackle.
00:19:16
Savage Boston
um I'm still a little just concerned. I think you got to give it the whole year where you throw it out and just put him at left tackle. But um I don't know, man. I think wingspan is real and it could be a real problem.
00:19:27
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:19:29
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:19:30
Michael Hurley
Yeah, I think the the interest, I should know this. I know Peter Skaronsky went to guard and was an NFL guard.
00:19:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:19:37
Michael Hurley
I don't know when he made it to guard because I think the significant thing is,
00:19:41
Savage Boston
I think it was immediately almost in training camp.
00:19:43
Michael Hurley
Yeah, right. So thus far, Campbell has just been a left tackle and the reporters aren't allowed to say ah the positions anymore. But they have, you know, that part has come out like they have not moved him inside at all.
00:19:56
Michael Hurley
He is the left tackle right now. So I think to your point, they're going to let him do it in a
00:19:58
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:20:01
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:20:02
Michael Hurley
probably the bigger reason is there's no one else who can. Uh, but that's, that's, that's the situation.
00:20:07
Savage Boston
Literally no one.
00:20:08
Michael Hurley
Literally zero other people. You like, you to put Demantre Jacobs back out there?
00:20:11
Savage Boston
my God.
00:20:12
Michael Hurley
Uh, or for Darian low, go ahead. But, uh, I think he'll, he will have to do it for the whole year and then reassess. So, um, It's really it's as in usually when a team picks an offensive lineman in the top five it's boring.
00:20:26
Michael Hurley
This one's not boring like this is this is really something you're going watch and he's going to get beat sometimes like he's a reason be a rookie at a really hard position against the most talented guys in the field and Vrabel knows that like at Vrabel's introductory press conference.
00:20:27
Savage Boston
Hmm.
00:20:39
Michael Hurley
He. he talked about the importance of offensive line through the scope or the prism of how fast, strong and talented defensive linemen are in pass rushers are.
00:20:51
Michael Hurley
So they'll have to help him out. Like he's going to be, even, even if his arms weren't an issue, he's still going to have his major rookie struggles. So you have to kind of evaluate it, see the struggle and then be like, was it because of X, Y or his short arms, you know, and it's going to be, it's going to be interesting.
00:21:10
Savage Boston
Yeah, I hope. ah I mean, he's got what week one is the Raiders. I'll be at that one. That'll be a fun game.
00:21:15
Michael Hurley
Oh, boy. they They have a decent pass, Roger.
00:21:17
Savage Boston
Yeah, so let's see if Max Crosby decides to tee off on Will Campbell. I mean, you're going to learn. I think you're going learn a ton just in training camp, man. Like, it's going to – if he gets matched up with Keon White, like, how does Keon how does keun look?
00:21:27
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:21:31
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and who do they – they have joint practices with Washington and Minnesota, right? So – well –
00:21:35
Savage Boston
Yeah, so Washington has Dietrich Weiss, right? He can show him his long arms. He's like, arms, Dietrich Weiss.
00:21:43
Michael Hurley
He is a big man. I will give him that. Not so good at getting to the quarterback, but...
00:21:47
Savage Boston
oh Yeah, I mean, hopefully, you know, obviously they have, I don't know, they have a lot more going this year in defense, which which will be which will be solid. But just, a yeah, to pivot to Diggs, right?
00:21:56
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:22:00
Savage Boston
Because obviously it's still, I guess, still the big story. almost shared another clip the other day. There was another clip of him with like kind of like Cardi b twerking on.
00:22:10
Savage Boston
I was like, all right, I think people have had enough.
00:22:12
Michael Hurley
that was That was excessive. I saw that somewhere and it was like, that is just a lot of butt on the timeline.
00:22:19
Savage Boston
Yeah, it wass like all right I was like, all right. I don't think people just want me sharing twerking clips all day. so
00:22:24
Michael Hurley
I don't think we need to see that, you know, generally.
00:22:27
Savage Boston
you know but ah it was you know it was i thought it initially was really funny, like the clip on the boat, him talking to girls, thought nothing of it. and Then obviously the drug stuff comes in. i still are people Are people dead set that this is a lighter?
00:22:39
Savage Boston
I'm still having people tell me it's a lighter.
00:22:41
Michael Hurley
A lighter?
00:22:42
Savage Boston
ah lighter. Have you heard this?
00:22:43
Michael Hurley
I have not heard the mean, it's very clearly a bag of stuff. Pink stuff.
00:22:46
Savage Boston
Well, this is like theory now. This is like lighter gate. You know, like we got, there are guys that like zoomed way in.
00:22:50
Michael Hurley
Oh, boy.
00:22:53
Savage Boston
They're like, I think that's a bag of weed and that's a pink lighter. not ah not Not drugs.
00:22:58
Michael Hurley
Really?
00:22:59
Savage Boston
That's what people are saying.
00:23:01
Michael Hurley
um
00:23:04
Michael Hurley
don't know. I'm looking now. ah I just... Someone did find that logo, right?
00:23:10
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's like a Kush logo for in Miami or something.
00:23:11
Michael Hurley
kush factory. A kush factory.
00:23:14
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:15
Michael Hurley
I mean, I'll tell you this. I don't know whether that's a pink ah substance or a pink lighter, but you know who also doesn't know is the NFL. So I think maybe that's your answer.
00:23:23
Savage Boston
yeah
00:23:24
Michael Hurley
You could just say that and there you go.
00:23:27
Savage Boston
I don't think the NFL wants to care. Like, I think unless you're abusing someone where the NFL feels like their optics are getting tainted and and they need repercussions, like just recreational drug use at this point doesn't move the needle for them.
00:23:33
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:43
Michael Hurley
Right. And even like the NFL that I was, I was, cause I was curious when it happened. Cause there was a big story here on radio and stuff. was like, is this a national story?
00:23:49
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:50
Michael Hurley
And I checked and it was like the third story on ESPN and the third story on NFL.com.
00:23:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:55
Michael Hurley
But the way they phrased it, this is the NFL.com headline. Patriots aware of viral video of wide receiver Stefan Diggs on boat.
00:24:04
Savage Boston
Oh my God.
00:24:05
Michael Hurley
That's it. That's all it's it's like, Oh,
00:24:06
Savage Boston
Yeah, they really want the controversy, huh?
00:24:08
Michael Hurley
Yeah. It's like, oh, he was on a boat. What? So um I think you're right. ah There was no arrest. ah There was no like assault. There was no positive test for drugs. So it is something that we've even seen ah stories involving patriots where there's like cocaine in the in the news story and then the news story is gone.
00:24:31
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, that was, uh, yeah, no one, I'm sure they tried to bury the Pepper stuff. Cause that was, that was even way more serious than this, just allegations wise.
00:24:39
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:41
Savage Boston
Um,
00:24:41
Michael Hurley
And even like a few years ago, I think Chung was retired, but there was like they found it in his house in like Maine or New Hampshire or something.
00:24:45
Savage Boston
Oh, I remember that. Yeah.
00:24:49
Michael Hurley
And it was like that story is gone. So I don't know. i I am the foremost expert on casual cocaine use. So it's good that you have me on your podcast and I'm here to answer all of your questions.
00:25:00
Savage Boston
It's a forensics podcast.
00:25:02
Michael Hurley
Yes.
00:25:02
Savage Boston
um Yeah, man, that was a ah that was weird. I'm happy to have him back at practice. I thought, like, you got a couple days of news out of that one, right? With a couple podcasts, couple days of news where people can yell at Scott Zolak and pretend like he said...
00:25:12
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:18
Savage Boston
you like the Patriots were going to cut digs.
00:25:20
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:25:20
Savage Boston
I was finding this weird about the internet. They're not weird. Just, just people are so insane that like Zola comes in just says cutting digs is on the table. He didn't say they're going cut digs or he's definitely getting cut or he's 75% chance of getting cut.
00:25:36
Savage Boston
Just it's on the table.
00:25:37
Michael Hurley
right
00:25:38
Savage Boston
So I found that weird that the people just then decided to lash out and pretend like he said, he's getting cut. I don't know. I thought that was bizarre.
00:25:44
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Like there's definitely people out there, right. That would, that would go public with maybe shady or shaky or just straight up false sources. Right.
00:25:53
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:25:54
Michael Hurley
Zolak with the Patriots is not one of them. You know, like if Zolak is saying that and he has to be careful with everything he says, like he has to almost have permission to say something like that.
00:25:56
Savage Boston
No.
00:26:05
Michael Hurley
You know, like that's how real it has to be.
00:26:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:07
Michael Hurley
If he was out there and say that was inaccurate or made up the number of people he would have to answer to, is innumerable so it's like there there are certain people you don't take everything they say as gospel but there's certain people where when they report stuff you go okay got it like registered you know and that that would be one for me where you're just that is something that i'm going to take ah not with a grain salt i will take seriously
00:26:24
Savage Boston
yeah
00:26:32
Savage Boston
I think there was a legit chance. Like if, if Diggs didn't show up, like I wonder what happens. Honestly, Rabel calls him on the phone and is like, Hey man might want to make your way back.
00:26:41
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah. You caused a bit of a problem for me.
00:26:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:44
Michael Hurley
It was the first question.
00:26:45
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:45
Michael Hurley
I'm trying to be friendly with these reporters, but I can't want have to talk about you with a bag of something.
00:26:51
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's like, you might want to show up back at Foxborough. And then after the story, first open practice, we got, how are you guys doing? Smiling digs, waving, catching balls, smiling at everybody.
00:27:03
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:27:04
Savage Boston
Oh, um
00:27:05
Michael Hurley
I mean, he knows how to play the game. You saw his introductory press conference where it was like, oh I'm just here to be a good sport.
00:27:09
Savage Boston
oh yeah.
00:27:12
Michael Hurley
And it's like...
00:27:13
Savage Boston
He's buttoned up.
00:27:14
Michael Hurley
It's like, man, we do have TVs. Like, we've seen what happens when you don't get the ball. Like, it's ugly. So, good luck. I mean, I was i was against signing Diggs in the first place because of that.
00:27:26
Michael Hurley
Because I just don't think Drake may... Drake may need a playmaker, but he doesn't need that necessarily, what Josh Allen got.
00:27:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:34
Michael Hurley
Now, Diggs claims that that is behind him or and that... Some people think that was overblown or whatever, but not me. ah That was tough to watch when he was blowing up in that playoff game against Cincinnati.
00:27:46
Michael Hurley
It's just I don't think that's good for a young quarterback.
00:27:47
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:51
Michael Hurley
I don't think it was good for Josh Allen, who wasn't that young when that happened. So I don't know. We'll see if if if he can hold it together. Obviously, he's huge addition, but it's not without risk.
00:28:00
Savage Boston
I mean, what you know what choice was Diggs as a Patriots wide receiver splash option this offseason?
00:28:08
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:28:09
Savage Boston
You know what mean? because i Because for me, like I'm trying to think back at like absolute number one. but like yeah oh So T. Higgins was like number one, number one, period.
00:28:16
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Never happened.
00:28:17
Savage Boston
like And he doesn't hit market.
00:28:17
Michael Hurley
Obviously.
00:28:19
Savage Boston
Okay, fuck. Then we know we know they're in on DK Metcalf.
00:28:20
Michael Hurley
ah there was, yeah, there was a ton of DK Metcalf talk and it didn't seem like he wanted to come here.
00:28:26
Savage Boston
He's just like, fuck New England.
00:28:28
Michael Hurley
Right.
00:28:28
Savage Boston
Right. Okay, sweet. So then is it Diggs, your third option? Was he the third main option? you know what mean? Like, like how far down the list does it go?
00:28:37
Michael Hurley
i was i was i was pushing for Cooper Cup. It just seemed like for lesser money, obviously older, maybe maybe injury risk is higher. But to me, that was one. But it didn't seem like they were ever interested in him.
00:28:54
Michael Hurley
Devontae Adams was another one. i don't think they ever entered that realm. He was of the more expensive value. So I don't know. I guess he was probably third.
00:29:05
Savage Boston
Third, I think Cooper cut man. Like I would have been cool with cup. If you brought in two guys, I think cups injury stuff is real.
00:29:10
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:29:13
Michael Hurley
For sure.
00:29:14
Savage Boston
And he just, I don't like it when I look at digs and I know digs is probably older than cup by a year or two. don't know how old digs is.
00:29:22
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:29:23
Savage Boston
What? 31 is cup 30.
00:29:24
Michael Hurley
thirty one 31. Yeah, but he's got a lot of miles on those knees.
00:29:29
Savage Boston
He does. you know And Diggs to me...
00:29:30
Michael Hurley
Yeah, well, Cup actually, he turns 32 June, so...
00:29:30
Savage Boston
Oh,
00:29:33
Michael Hurley
in june so
00:29:33
Savage Boston
oh there you go. All right. So he's even went older than Diggs. Diggs to me is... a better athlete. um I think cup is a tremendous wide receiver.
00:29:44
Savage Boston
And when he had those, those great years in a fantastic scheme, you know, he, he really explode, explode, exploited people.
00:29:48
Michael Hurley
yeah yeah right
00:29:51
Savage Boston
Like he was fantastic, but, but digs to me is so twitchy.
00:29:52
Michael Hurley
right
00:29:55
Savage Boston
I just see digs. And I think he's going to give you, he can give you, i think a good two years of real twitchy um receiver play. That is, if you don't have a reason to cut him after the first season for like misbehaving or something.
00:30:10
Michael Hurley
Yeah, I mean, the dude produces. And like I like Kup for a lot of reasons.
00:30:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:14
Michael Hurley
his production was really His great production was one year, whereas Diggs has had 1,000 yards for, what, the last seven years before he got hurt last year? So he'll actually tell you at his press conference.
00:30:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:25
Michael Hurley
with how many exactly, what his pace what his pace was last year before he got hurt. But um yeah, the the production's undeniable. I'm with you. like he is a He's a special player. and So um I'm willing to be wrong on that.
00:30:35
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:38
Michael Hurley
And maybe he is at this point. i mean, some guys get over 30 and they do change. And I guess what threw me off is everyone in Houston had great things to say about him, right?
00:30:48
Savage Boston
Yep.
00:30:49
Michael Hurley
Does he play for Houston anymore?
00:30:51
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:52
Michael Hurley
I know like...
00:30:52
Savage Boston
You're like, what's up with that?
00:30:53
Michael Hurley
I know they're in a different portion of their roster building and team building, but it's sort of like, well, if he was as good as everyone says, why didn't they resign him?
00:31:03
Savage Boston
i mean, I'm sure guys like, you know, Doug or or Tom Curran or guys who do their due diligence have spoken to Houston people and been like, Hey, what's up with this?
00:31:10
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:31:12
Savage Boston
And like, there's no way they're all like, yeah, he's a great dude. Stand up guy. doing it all for the team. Like and everyone gave him glowing remarks.
00:31:21
Michael Hurley
Yeah, I guess if I was, I've actually not thought it through, but like Nico Collins, is he out for the year? That, it was a, yeah, the, oh, sorry, no, who got her tanked out?
00:31:28
Savage Boston
Nico.
00:31:31
Savage Boston
Tank Dell. Yeah.
00:31:32
Savage Boston
Nico's good. Tank Dell. And they have tank Dell. And then didn't they, don't they have another wide receiver too? I believe.
00:31:32
Michael Hurley
That, okay.
00:31:38
Michael Hurley
Matchy maybe, but like, ah who had the devastating knee injury? Yeah.
00:31:42
Savage Boston
That was tank Dell. He, he dislocated his patella.
00:31:43
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:31:45
Savage Boston
He does a couple of different things.
00:31:46
Michael Hurley
Yeah, like he might be out. So I guess you can't have two recovering receivers making up a big portion of your receiver room, but.
00:31:53
Savage Boston
And I don't think too, like they don't want to like, wasn't he just on a one-year deal?
00:31:58
Michael Hurley
Diggs, yeah.
00:31:59
Savage Boston
Yeah. He's got traded. Right. And he was on the last year in a contract. You're like, I just don't think they wanted to pay him like that. You know what mean? Like maybe their team building is going in a different way.
00:32:05
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:32:07
Michael Hurley
Right.
00:32:08
Savage Boston
Um, but like you want to, do they want to give him 30 million?
00:32:11
Michael Hurley
Right. And that's, that's what that I guess. Yeah. But if he's healthy and coming back, I just looked it up, by the way, the, the tank Dell injury dislocated knee torn ACL, MCL and LCL, as well as meniscus damage.
00:32:23
Michael Hurley
Uh, going to miss the whole season.
00:32:23
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's a bad one. That's a bad one.
00:32:26
Michael Hurley
Yeah. That's heavy duty.
00:32:26
Savage Boston
Yeah, I feel bad for him. He got, I remember watching it live. I was like, oh no.
00:32:29
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Someone was crying, right?
00:32:31
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:32:32
Michael Hurley
CJ Stroud, maybe someone, someone,
00:32:33
Savage Boston
Yeah. one of the guys behind. Yeah. I think it was CJ Stroud. Yeah. I remember him sitting. That was, that was, that was wild. Um,
00:32:39
Michael Hurley
Wasn't it the teammate too that like got in the way?
00:32:41
Savage Boston
Yeah, it was a very unnecessary shot. It was, but it's just fluky. Like that stuff happens. Same with dude, Aiden Hutchinson broke his tibia. Cause he just like flung, like ah flung his leg around weirdly.
00:32:52
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:32:52
Savage Boston
His tibia snaps and the whole season's gone. You know, you're like, so this stuff gets, stuff gets fluky, ah obviously.
00:32:55
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:32:58
Michael Hurley
Football's tough.
00:32:58
Savage Boston
Um, But yeah, no, I think Diggs will be a good addition. He'll be a good player. You just hope he can kind of hold it together. I don't know how that affects Drake. ah The whole season slash future of the Patriots, not to be dramatic, hinges on Drake May and how he develops.
00:33:15
Michael Hurley
Mm-hmm.
00:33:16
Savage Boston
I don't think that's a shocking take, but like he really can't stress this one enough. He really has to develop.
00:33:23
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Yeah. And in the it was, he was put into such a bad, I feel like this is the part about Drake may that gets overlooked and ignored too much and people know it, but don't recognize enough.
00:33:35
Michael Hurley
He was in such a shitty situation last year. It's unfathomable how like a first year head coach who was clueless with all due respect, a first year offensive coordinator, the worst offensive line I've ever seen in my life, the worst receiving,
00:33:39
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:49
Michael Hurley
ah room in the league. You had two reliable tight ends. You had a running back who couldn't hold onto the ball in Ramondre Stevenson. It was bad. It was just, and so like, it and it comes across as excuse making whatever, but it's like, okay, well, what is it? Because all of what I just said is just straight factual information.
00:34:08
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:34:09
Michael Hurley
um So he obviously has to improve. he has to, you know, cut down the the turnovers, but I saw so many of his turnovers as a talented guy surrounded by non-talent trying to make stuff happen. So it's almost like you have to hit the reset button and start from scratch this year and sort of, i don't, I don't, if I'm Josh McDaniels, I don't know how I unteach last year from him. Like that is a challenge.
00:34:32
Savage Boston
I don't know. they like I've heard some random – I mean, this is – I don't know what's true and what's not coming out of OTAs. have couple guys or one guy talking about he's got a hitch in his throwing motion again.
00:34:41
Michael Hurley
Hmm.
00:34:43
Savage Boston
I'm like, all right, is that real? No one else has written a single thing about that.
00:34:46
Michael Hurley
Right.
00:34:46
Savage Boston
One guy.
00:34:47
Michael Hurley
I can't say.
00:34:48
Savage Boston
and you know Yeah, I haven't been down there.
00:34:48
Michael Hurley
and didn't i haven't watched The Hitch myself.
00:34:52
Savage Boston
you know i'm I'm excited. I'll go down to training camp maybe once or twice. That'll be nice. and
00:34:56
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:34:57
Savage Boston
you know I got season tickets now, so –
00:34:59
Michael Hurley
Nice.
00:34:59
Savage Boston
I'm ready to – can't wait for the season. I'm excited for it. um But I'm willing to bet and hoping i'm hoping he develops.
00:35:03
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:35:07
Savage Boston
um How many wins before we sign off so we can keep it keep it brief? um What's your win total you got for the for the year?
00:35:11
Michael Hurley
Good.
00:35:14
Savage Boston
What's your what's your prediction?
00:35:15
Michael Hurley
So I initially came out with 10, and this is largely based on the opponents and the lack of fear in a lot of those and how easy the home schedule should be.
00:35:17
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:27
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:35:27
Michael Hurley
um
00:35:29
Michael Hurley
I came down to nine, though, after like you know the Sugar Rush wore off. It's just we learned last year, there's a ton of games that on paper like you should win, but you actually still have to be somewhat good to win most of them.
00:35:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:41
Michael Hurley
So... you know, let's say best case scenario in the division, you go three and three, which is doable. It's you're somewhere between two and four and four and two at best. So call it three and three. ah You should be able to win six of those out of division games.
00:35:56
Michael Hurley
Like they, the Raiders are, bad the Steelers are bad the Panthers are bad the Saints are the worst team in the league the Titans are probably the worst team in the league as well the Browns are very bad the Falcons are like you should feast on a lot of these teams and like even if you're being optimistic and say you know they lose in Miami they lose in Buffalo they lose in Tampa they lose in Cincinnati they lose in Baltimore like there's still enough games where you can win so nine and nine and eight is where I settled um but my real take is
00:36:06
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:25
Michael Hurley
If they win fewer than seven, this season's a failure. And it's just like you did so much.
00:36:29
Savage Boston
yeah
00:36:30
Michael Hurley
You invested so much and changed so much that you need to be a legitimate NFL team immediately. like that's that's that's if you If you came back with Mayo and made some changes, we'd be probably looking at five or six.
00:36:43
Michael Hurley
But you've got to win at least seven, and you're you should win more than that.
00:36:48
Savage Boston
Not gonna lie to you, I can't even imagine a world in where they win only seven games.
00:36:55
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:36:56
Savage Boston
And I think if that happens, the the anger will be so extraordinary on you know on Twitter and stuff will be so and insane.
00:37:05
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:37:06
Savage Boston
i can't. honestly like it just can't happen.
00:37:09
Michael Hurley
right
00:37:09
Savage Boston
Like i don't I don't think the fan base can fucking take it at this point. It's been like and know this is our comeuppance for 20 years of glory. I understand.
00:37:17
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:37:18
Savage Boston
But like I just I don't think that the fan base has it in a man.
00:37:21
Michael Hurley
Yeah, and i I went to that week 18 game against the Bills just because I wasn't working.
00:37:25
Savage Boston
This past season? Oh, God.
00:37:28
Michael Hurley
you know So I was like, yeah let's go see what it's like. And it was like, the way I described it, were you at that game?
00:37:35
Savage Boston
What, this the so the Bills in the final game this last season?
00:37:37
Michael Hurley
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:38
Savage Boston
I was not at that game, no.
00:37:40
Michael Hurley
It was like the atmosphere of a high school game, but no one in the crowd... was related to anyone playing. So just like nobody cared. Like it was just people taught. You could hear people talking from sections away.
00:37:52
Michael Hurley
There was like a smattering of applause when they made a good play.
00:37:52
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:55
Michael Hurley
And it's like people based Joe Milton being a superstar off that game, which was nuts. But that was after the Chargers New Year's game when they got absolutely What was it?
00:38:07
Michael Hurley
40 to 6 or something. It was just the absolute blowout. The Colts game that they blew and let Anthony Richardson go 83 yards on the winning drive.
00:38:17
Michael Hurley
like
00:38:17
Savage Boston
Dude, hold on. Worst game of the year, other than the Miami game where they just got annihilated started to finish.
00:38:23
Savage Boston
Other than that game, worst game of the year was the Arizona Cardinals.
00:38:23
Michael Hurley
At Miami.
00:38:27
Michael Hurley
That was brutal. I think, I mean, the Chargers was worse, I think. But the...
00:38:31
Savage Boston
That was horrible, the Chargers game.
00:38:33
Michael Hurley
the
00:38:33
Savage Boston
The Vlad McConkie game.
00:38:34
Michael Hurley
especially because the NFL network was pounding home the trade the Patriots made to take Polk over McConkie.
00:38:34
Savage Boston
But...
00:38:39
Michael Hurley
But no, the Cardinals was a good, is a good option.
00:38:40
Savage Boston
Just embarrassing.
00:38:42
Michael Hurley
Cause that was just coming off the bi-week. You're like, all right, you know what? They should beat the Cardinals. And that was, that was a tough one. That was when booty.
00:38:49
Savage Boston
Well, that was the week I was like, I think they actually need to fire Mayo.
00:38:53
Michael Hurley
Yeah, that a lot, I think actually the tide turned that week.
00:38:53
Savage Boston
um
00:38:56
Michael Hurley
You're right.
00:38:56
Savage Boston
Like that exact week, because that was off the buy, if I remember.
00:38:57
Michael Hurley
But that,
00:38:59
Michael Hurley
It was, yeah. that might The game in Miami you mentioned was one of the only times in history, and again, like I wasn't writing like I normally was, so I was just sort of watching and taking notes for the radio.
00:39:00
Savage Boston
So,
00:39:03
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:14
Michael Hurley
I ah was like, I'm going to take my daughter to her birthday party right now, pause the DVR, and just like, so I can skip through this thing, because it was the worst it was it was unwatchable.
00:39:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:25
Michael Hurley
It was just
00:39:27
Savage Boston
We had a Friendsgiving. We were at a Friendsgiving at a buddy's house in New Hampshire.
00:39:31
Michael Hurley
Oh.
00:39:32
Savage Boston
And we're like, we're all around the table and like the games, the games onto the background. And I forget what the score was at the half. It was like 30 to nothing.
00:39:40
Michael Hurley
Yeah. And.
00:39:40
Savage Boston
I think something like that. I was like, I had to apologize to all the children.
00:39:43
Michael Hurley
Yeah, none of you are friends anymore now.
00:39:45
Savage Boston
was like, I'm so deeply sorry for making you all watch this.
00:39:45
Michael Hurley
fortunate Yeah, no, that was that was bad. I'm trying to think. Oh, another contender was Jacksonville in wherever they played Germany, England. I forget where that was.
00:39:59
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:59
Michael Hurley
They were up on the worst team in the league and ah they got doubled up 32 16.
00:40:02
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:40:04
Michael Hurley
Like, like
00:40:05
Savage Boston
Yeah. They gave like 20 unanswered or something. I forget what they did.
00:40:08
Michael Hurley
Yeah, that that would track. So there was a lot of options there. And I just think that's the point is you can't you can't be a laughingstock anymore. like you you don't I think if you're expecting playoff wins or anything like that, you're probably getting too far ahead of the the the movement. I think this is a two to three year changeover. But like year one, it's got to be you've got to like reach a midway point of getting your head above water and then you can go from there.
00:40:35
Savage Boston
Yeah, I feel that. All right, man. Well, i appreciate you coming on. I'm going to cut it off here.
00:40:39
Savage Boston
ah Yeah, what's up?
00:40:39
Michael Hurley
Well, let me ask you ah before we go, has has the WNBA wave of hatred come, has it come to an end yet?
00:40:47
Savage Boston
You know what? I was going to – I actually forgot to do that. I was going to open the pod with being like welcome to the W – something about the WNBA.
00:40:53
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:40:54
Savage Boston
I literally – and I fucking forgot.
00:40:56
Michael Hurley
you Do you, I i like missed the start of it and then log on and I'm like, what's going on?
00:40:56
Savage Boston
um That was wild, huh?
00:41:03
Michael Hurley
It's like, oh, that's happening.
00:41:06
Savage Boston
yeah My friends are texting me. they're like They're like, dude, what's going on? like and I look at it. I looked the other night this morning. I had like 16 million impressions or something on one tweet.
00:41:15
Michael Hurley
So the funniest one was like basketball is a major sport. The WNBA is a major league.
00:41:20
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:41:21
Michael Hurley
It's like, I don't know. Is the arena football league considered and a major sport? It's football.
00:41:27
Savage Boston
Dude, this is the problem. And like, i don't know if this is to eclipt or something. the problem The problem is I still actually just think I'm right.
00:41:34
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:41:35
Savage Boston
And this is the problem.
00:41:36
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:41:37
Savage Boston
I said the major sports. It's widely considered NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB are the four major sports in the United States.
00:41:45
Savage Boston
I could have said men's sports and would have been more PC, I suppose. But but still, like those are the four major sports. So when people are saying stuff like that, like they're having no this is like the weird spin zone thing. they're getting because Some people are getting mad at me. like um'm I never called out women, women's sports.
00:41:45
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:42:02
Savage Boston
Love women's sports.
00:42:02
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:42:03
Savage Boston
No problem with the WNBA.
00:42:04
Michael Hurley
It's just,
00:42:05
Savage Boston
Kaitlyn Clark, she's amazing. But like, i don't know, man. That was that was weird. This is such a weird spin zone.
00:42:12
Michael Hurley
but like, even if, even if, you know, if it was If there was a men's college basketball team from New York City that won, you would not have included that in the four major sports.
00:42:23
Michael Hurley
It wasn't it wasn't a men's women's thing.
00:42:23
Savage Boston
No.
00:42:25
Michael Hurley
It's just...
00:42:25
Savage Boston
No, her argument, the main girl's argument is false. Like she has a bad argument.
00:42:29
Savage Boston
Like if we're arguing and like truly arguing, it doesn't hold up well.
00:42:29
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:42:33
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Well, once the team account comes at you, you're you're kind of cooked because then you're going to get their crowd button.
00:42:40
Savage Boston
Dude, I was golfing. It was Sunday morning. I'm golfing. I was like, did I just get quote tweeted by the Liberty?
00:42:46
Michael Hurley
that's the So Twitter is still a lot because I knew I was coming to this podcast, I guess. That's why I decided to get everyone to come at me i don't if you saw my Saquon tweet. um
00:42:54
Savage Boston
Oh, no. did they Did you fire people up?
00:42:57
Michael Hurley
Yeah, I just...
00:42:57
Savage Boston
Oh, I did see that. You said something about um how ah he actually like took a headshot after something, right?
00:43:03
Michael Hurley
Yeah, it's like it was cool as hell, but like it gained him two yards and he got absolutely smoked in the head in the back of the neck. um
00:43:10
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:43:11
Michael Hurley
Really wasn't a take, I don't think. That one has... two and a half million impressions it has over 500 replies 200 quote and people are just calling me like the worst things and it's like i don't think that was a take like it's just again i'm i thought it was cool i just it's sort of i don't know when it's the cover of madden it's maybe overdone but
00:43:17
Savage Boston
Oh, does it? I gotta look that up now. Yeah.
00:43:36
Savage Boston
Well, I mean, as you know, right, from being on Twitter and social media and I'm on Twitter too much, obviously, um you know, people, i think everyone just wants that it reflects their worst, the worst part of their humanity, right?
00:43:49
Savage Boston
it It reflects the worst, deepest inner thoughts.
00:43:49
Michael Hurley
yeah
00:43:52
Savage Boston
You know, it's just people want to lash out and be like, I like that play. This guy must be a fucking asshole.
00:43:58
Michael Hurley
Yeah. Or, or just the people that saw it are the toughest, strongest people in the world. And I actually am everything they're saying. But it's funny because I was golfing today too.
00:44:07
Savage Boston
Shut
00:44:07
Michael Hurley
And I was at the turn waiting for my sandwich and I just like instinctively opened Twitter and I was like, oh no, no, we're going to just immediately close that.
00:44:15
Savage Boston
and it down.
00:44:16
Michael Hurley
Not going to get into that right now because there was literally hundreds of people just calling me a pussy. And it was like, If whatever makes you whatever gets you through the day, I guess. I don't know. I just ah it's I didn't see that one coming.
00:44:28
Savage Boston
Yeah, I had to set it down. I had another tweet after that as a follow-up of something about the and NWNBA only having like 12 teams.
00:44:37
Savage Boston
um and And that caught fire with Knicks fans because the Celtics won all their championships when there was like eight teams in the league.
00:44:37
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:44:44
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:44:45
Savage Boston
So I somehow got like double storm of women's sports and all that. And all was just trying to was just troll New York a little bit.
00:44:49
Michael Hurley
Antiselfix.
00:44:51
Savage Boston
That's all was trying to do.
00:44:51
Michael Hurley
Right. it was ah it was a good It was a good troll, and then it just really – you lost the rope. It wasn't yours anymore. It was gone.
00:44:58
Savage Boston
I lost the plot.
00:45:00
Michael Hurley
Yeah, but how could it be a major league if there's no team in Boston? So it's just – I mean, not to be a homer, but it just – I mean, let's be real.
00:45:03
Savage Boston
That's true. doesn't count.
00:45:08
Savage Boston
Disqualified automatically. I should have said that.
00:45:12
Michael Hurley
You still got it. Yeah, but the my issue is like, i don't I don't have the, whatever you call it, Twitter blue. So I don't even make, I would have made like 10 bucks from this at least and at least bought a sandwich Yeah.
00:45:19
Savage Boston
Oh,
00:45:22
Savage Boston
yeah you should get it man. I think it's actually kind of expensive now. like If you don't make money off Twitter, like i get I get paid off Twitter. But um if you don't make money on Twitter, like it's 50 bucks a month.
00:45:32
Michael Hurley
Jesus, 50 bucks.
00:45:32
Savage Boston
It's kind of a lot, man. like If you're just a casual Joe Schmo guy, like I don't know.
00:45:34
Michael Hurley
It used to be like eight.
00:45:37
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:45:38
Savage Boston
That feels like a little too much.
00:45:40
Michael Hurley
Wasn't it seven or eight bucks a month when they started it?
00:45:43
Savage Boston
i don't know if maybe it's just because I'm buying the the premium one or whatever. like i thought I think the the premium one, there's one that's like 50 bucks a month, which they jacked up from 20.
00:45:52
Michael Hurley
That's crazy. How much would I, how much would I made on that?
00:45:53
Savage Boston
which is, oh my God, I don't know.
00:45:54
Michael Hurley
Like five bucks?
00:45:57
Savage Boston
um I try to be pretty transparent with Twitter. I probably make like an average, it's not that much money. Every other week, I'll probably make 200, 300 bucks off Twitter.
00:46:05
Michael Hurley
Yeah, not bad. I mean, better than, better than zero that I'm making. and
00:46:09
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's fine. I mean, hey, it's fun. It's like a little game for me. As people know, I'm on there.
00:46:12
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:46:12
Savage Boston
i enjoy engaging with people, obviously, or else I wouldn't do it. um You know, it's not my main source of income by any means, ah but it's fun for me.
00:46:17
Michael Hurley
Yeah.
00:46:20
Michael Hurley
Right.
00:46:21
Savage Boston
And and if you want to get some Elon bucks, then that's that's okay too.
00:46:25
Michael Hurley
Yeah. I'm just, I guess I'm afraid to pull the trigger, but if I'm going to, this could be a fun game. Like what could I say to piss off 2 million people today?
00:46:35
Savage Boston
Dude, that is how a lot of people run their accounts, believe it or not.
00:46:39
Michael Hurley
Yeah. I feel like there's been a shift in the dove climbing one, you know?
00:46:42
Savage Boston
Oh my God. Well, you know, he sold it, right?
00:46:45
Michael Hurley
No.
00:46:46
Savage Boston
Okay. So not to go on too So Dove Kleiman was ah originally, he was a guy, like I used to message with him, right? He was just a regular guy. i don't know where he was from. And so he shadow sold his account.
00:46:59
Savage Boston
I don't know where the new person is, but he sold it for a bunch of money.
00:47:03
Savage Boston
And now this person is just kind of like a little, even more shameless. um And it's not even the same guy.
00:47:03
Michael Hurley
Hmm.
00:47:08
Michael Hurley
Yeah, it's clear. Okay. That makes sense. Cause it's definitely, it's a different account for sure.
00:47:14
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, literally different account.
00:47:16
Michael Hurley
Interesting. I can, I sell my account. That would be the move.
00:47:19
Savage Boston
you probably You probably could, but then someone would just be pretending to be you.
00:47:19
Michael Hurley
I'm going to look into that.
00:47:22
Michael Hurley
You know what? It is what it is at this point.
00:47:25
Savage Boston
That's funny. All right, man, I appreciate coming on. Don't sign off yet because I want to make sure the audio uploads.
00:47:29
Michael Hurley
For sure.
00:47:30
Savage Boston
All right, see you guys later. Peace.