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EP620: Michael Ostrolenk - How To Create A Personal PHD
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Have you ever wanted to master a subject like fitness, sleep, or stress management quickly and deeply? Imagine creating your own "Personal PhD" to dive into topics that truly matter for your life and well-being.
In today’s world, education isn't just limited to formal institutions. How can you take control of your own learning journey in a way that feels intentional, personal, and transformative?
Breaking down how to design your own "Personal PhD," a self-directed learning path where you control the topics, resources, and goals. Whether you’re looking to master fitness, longevity, sleep, or stress management, you’ll learn how to structure your learning, identify key resources, and apply the knowledge in real life. From curating information to measuring progress, this episode covers everything you need to know to design a personalized learning experience that leads to true mastery.
Joining us again is Michael Ostrolenk, a coach and thought leader with decades of experience in therapy, coaching, and personal development. His "Personal PhD" approach has empowered countless individuals to take control of their education and use it to transform their lives. Michael shares practical steps to create a self-directed learning plan tailored to your interests, fueling exponential growth in every area of your life.
We all have areas we want to improve—whether it's fitness, longevity, or business growth. With so much information available, it's easy to feel overwhelmed. This episode offers a methodical approach to tackle these subjects and make meaningful progress.
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00:00:03
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I can literally put together what I was then calling and still do call a personal PhD program. What are the areas that I want to study? What are we learning about how the mind works, how we think about things, the unconscious, the conscious mind. And it's important for anyone, yourself included, like how best you learn. Are you an audio learner, visual learner, kinesthetic? You know how you learn the best. Organize your educational program as best as you can based on the way you learn. Make sure you're clearing your values. What drives you in terms of your values?
00:00:34
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Welcome to the Thought Leader Revolution with Nikki Ballou. Join the revolution. There's never been a better time in history to speak your truth, find your freedom, and make your fortune. Each week, we interview the world's top thought leaders and learn the secrets of how they built a six to seven figure practice. This episode has been brought to you by eCircleAcademy.com, the proven system to add six to seven figures a year to your thought leader practice.
00:01:05
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Welcome to another exciting episode of the podcast, The Fault Leader Revolution. I'm your host, Nicky Baloo. And boy, do we have an amazing guest lined up for you today. He's a repeat guest. He's a friend of mine. He's a client of mine. And he is a Renaissance man, an all-round good guy and genius. I am speaking, of course, of none other than the one, the only, the legendary, Michael Osterling. Welcome to the show, Michael.
00:01:34
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Hey man, thanks Nicky. You crack me up man when you make introductions, I love it. expert So I asked you to come on the show today because of this super cool concept you have called the personal PhD. And when you told me about it, I'm like, man, this is awesome. And I think I want to learn about it. And I think my listener is going to want to learn about it. So Michael, tell us about the personal PhD.
00:02:03
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Yeah, so you know, it contextualizes in the conversation that you and Matt and I had not too long ago on education, and one of the things we talked about like is lifelong education. And my whole thing has been a lifelong educator, and I make it just things between uh, schooling and education. I didn't necessarily like schooling, but I love education. I love learning new things. So what I've always done as an adult is I've always kind of figured out what's the new thing or things. I'm very ADDish. We talked about that earlier. Like what are the multiple different things that I want to study? Cause I'm always interested in a million different things. And over the years, and it's about probably maybe 10, 15 years ago, I kind of had the realization like I could do this more formally. I can literally put together what I was then calling and still do call a personal PhD program. Like,
00:02:46
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What are the areas that I want to study? And I lay all those things out in a particular year. And I do this like the end of the month in December for the following year. And I lay all these different areas and I look at how do I want to study? What do I want to study and how do I want to study?
00:03:01
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Is there a formal program I want to go join and become become ah become part of, like a certification program or a graduate level class? Or is it and is it an online program? Like the Peterson Academy could be an example of someone ah taking those those kind of learnings and putting them into a personal PhD program. Or particular books, or their particular audio books. Like what is what is the way I want to learn that material? And I organize it all based on topics that are of interest to me.
00:03:27
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And then that becomes the structure for the whole year. And then I figure out how to take that whole structure and put it into a calendar. So it's not just a mental masturbation. It's like, no, every day or certain times of the week, I'm going to be spending my time doing my personal PhD program. So I plug it in. And yeah obviously, I have to be a little bit adaptable because life happens and I have to move things around. But you know you know me, I'm pretty disciplined. And and when I come to these things that I want to do, I do them.
00:03:54
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And so that's what I've been doing it for about a decade. And if it's cool with you, I'd love to share with you like how the idea originally, one one of the ways into my mind how the idea originally came to be created. Okay, so you know as you know, besides being a coach, SEAL Fed, and a therapist for almost 30 years, I spent about 20 years on public policy. And I always found it fascinating to go to the Hill meet with members of Congress and their staff, and to see the kind of people that Congress members and their staff could come, could call onto the Hill to come for meetings, whether meetings or to testify in Congress or testifying committees. I was like, they have access to anyone and everyone that they want. And I can't imagine unless someone's criminally minded that they're not going to want to either testify or come and and brief a member of Congress. And I was like, man, ah and I was like, if I was a staffer,
00:04:44
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I'd be like, okay, I want to learn all these things. I'm just going to call the schmees in those fields and kind have them educate me. So when I brief my member of Congress or i you know I'm participating in whatever I'm doing as a staff member, I just know that from the top level people, all the things I need to know. So I'm like, that is so cool. I'm not a staff member. I can't call anyone in the world up to come see me or a member of Congress. But I'm like, I want to organize my thinking around that. like who What I want to study and who are the top people in that field,
00:05:14
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And you know maybe I can't bring them up in person. Sometimes I can, because you know I'm well connected to a lot of really cool people. But it's also, hey, they might have a class online. They might have written a book or or a lecture series. Cool. And that's kind of the original thought that crossed my mind. I was like, I want that in my life. And then I just started creating it, because that's kind of what I do. Awesome. So walk me through, like,
00:05:40
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um a personal PhD you have created, just how you went around actually doing that on the court. And then I'm going to have you make me a guinea pig and let's create a bit of a personal PhD for me because I'd like to nice to do that. Yeah, now that sounds awesome. So like I said, I do December for the for the year.
00:06:00
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But with all the things that are happening with this year, as you know about, I'm actually revised mine now for the next couple of months for the rest of this year. And then in December, once again, I'll revise it for the following year. And it's adaptable, you know, because I learn new things, like jettison old things, but I try to keep to it. But for me, here's some overarching themes that are of interest to me. And obviously, you know, for you, what figure your themes are, for anyone else listening is like, oh, what are the, you know, five to eight to 10 to are interesting to you.
00:06:28
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So mine are, I'm a marriage and family therapist, so like relationship stuff. Okay, I want to be on the cutting edge of all the research and thinking, ancient and modern, on relationships. Cool. All right, so that's one of my themes. A second theme is I'm a transpersonally oriented therapist. I do coaching now. I'm a transpersonally oriented therapist. Like, what are the latest thinking in transpersonal psychology?
00:06:52
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My postgraduate work is somatic psychology or body psychology. So, okay, cool. What's the latest thinking? Ancient or wisdom, ah like you know, ancient ancient wisdom, modern science in that field. Cool. That's one of my so like you know ah one of my themes.
00:07:07
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Cognitively. Okay. Like, you know, what are what are we learning about how the mind works, how we think about things, the unconscious, the conscious mind. That is also an area of mind that's of interest to me. health Now, health kind of falls under semantics to a certain extent, but I keep it in its own category. And it's like, okay, who are doing the most cutting-edge thinking, writing, speaking, and teaching in the health field, optimizing the human system? That's another theme for me. And then fitness, like, oh, who's who's in the coolest stuff, like cutting-edge thinking and and activities in the health in the fitness field. So that that's another theme for me as well. And then tactical, like if tactical training is really important to me.
00:07:44
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okay So tactical training is less about me learning things from books and courses. It's more like here's there's very physical things I want to go learn to do and who am I going to study them with? So, you know, like active handgun, sniper, close quarters combat, certain hand-to-hand combat techniques, survival training, you know, those kind of things. So that's a little slightly different because a lot of the other stuff is more book of learning or kind of in that space of book of learning versus for me the tactical thing is like literally hands on. And I'll say that that's not completely true and even some of the themes because I've mentioned to you like for the health stuff, I'm shadowing one of my doctors.
00:08:25
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Like I'm like, I love the way he thinks about things. That's just the systemic approach in the human system is like amazing. Like I think I'll do better following him around and listen to him do whiteboards with clients than reading a book about what he does. Cause I'll probably have to read a thousand books, but I can see him in action. So some of this could be actually hands on. It doesn't have to all be like book learning or video learning or audio learning. So it could be a combination of those kinds of things.
00:08:53
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And it's important for anyone, yourself included, like how best do you learn? Are you an audio learner, visual learner, kinesthetic? Like then you know how you learn the best, organize your educational program as best as you can based on the way you learn. Exponential growth and learning space. So those are the kind of some of the overarching themes. The last theme is you, like literally E-Circle Academy is one of my themes.
00:09:18
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Uh, literally on on this page right here. So then it's like all the stuff I have to do for that. And actually there's a, there's another thing too. I'm, I'm a podcaster like you. So like, okay, I need to actually read or listen to or study my, my guests work. So there's a section for me like, Oh, here's, here's who I'm interviewing. Here's her book or audio or lecture. So that's also part of my personal PhD for the year. Super, super, super cool. Okay. So thanks.
00:09:48
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Let's put together one for me. So i'm with the certain thing so um areas I'm interested in right now, I mean, around health or nutrition, healing, sleep, exercise, all those are are interesting to me. And in particular, longevity
00:10:10
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What's going to have a fellow my age continue to be at the top peak condition into his like 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, right? um I'm interested on the business side in sales, branding, growth. I'm also super interested right now in podcast growth and social media, followership growth, because I think for me to get to the next level, that's what's got to happen is I've got to be known by a ton more people.
00:10:40
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and then I'm interested in writing, I'm interested in masculinity, men's space work. um
00:10:51
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Yeah, and podcasting and podcast wealth. So let's look at some of these. How how would I put something together? Yeah. My cholesterol. Yeah, let's let's break each of those down. So a key theme I think I heard you say that I think other things can fit underneath would be longevity medicine or longevity.
00:11:09
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medicines too, the nerve of focus because it's not just about drugs and peptides and stuff like that, but longevity. And then I think what you might want to consider doing, and we're integrated whole people and systems are systemic, but like it's it's useful for these for mental masturbation purposes like to think through these things, like to break them into pieces. So like you might under longevity, the fitness would be a subcategory. yep Sleep could be a subcategory. and yep You didn't say this, but perhaps stress management could be a subcategory. I mean, I've actually taught in longevity programs before, so I can say this, that I know that human relationships play a key role in longevity. So maybe there's a you know social connection piece. I don't want to put thoughts into your mind, but perhaps, if you you want to add that in there. absolutely And there's also there's also environmental factors, too. So maybe there's this, if you wanted to, like continue to break this down.
00:12:06
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Underneath longevity is also, besides social engagement, is also environmental factors that you might want to study and learn about. okay And then you know maybe there's something specific to intervention like very particular interventions. We can call them medicine, broadly speaking, that you might want to learn about. like Are there peptides? Are there drugs? Are there nutritional supplementation? yeah know that Those kind of things. So maybe those are like the six or seven categories underneath longevity.
00:12:35
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that you then you start hanging underneath, hanging stuff underneath from. Yep, I like it. I'm taking notes. Okay, that's good. So like, the first one I think I mentioned was fitness. Yeah. So you want to ask yourself, who in this space is the most knowledgeable you know of, for writing, speaking, creating content around longevity and fitness?
00:13:04
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You know, and I can i can name a few of you are interested, but like, you know, it's it's like an iterative process. You just got to sit and think about it and do some Googling, like, you know, who are cutting edge people, like, people like people, most knowledgeable people, most knowledgeable people and content creators. yeah Yeah. Yeah. And you know, this is specific to you. So I might recommend someone like Gabrielle Lyons, Dr. Lyons. I call her Dr. G. She wrote a book on muscle, muscle and longevity.
00:13:34
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So it's really, it was all about fitness. The muscles actually produce hormones and have an effect on longevity. And that's what her work is about. Or Peter Tia, he does a lot of stuff on longevity and fitness. Like his book just came out. Yeah, I'm reading his book Outlive right now. Okay, perfect. Yeah, yeah. So what you might, like, you know, if you said to me, okay, there's two of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah, it's an excellent book.
00:14:04
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When I taught last year in the longevity program, I looked into his stuff. It's a great podcast too. So what you can do is like, you have his book and and fitness is an important thing. Like as you're reading his book and you might mention other researchers or thought leaders or in the movie Godfrey section, it might give you some insights into, oh, here's two or three other people in the fitness space of longevity that I should go look into.
00:14:32
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besides Dr. G and Peter Tia. And maybe there's two or three other people. And you gotta be, like, you have the same disease that I have. Like, oh, if there's four people, there's gotta be eight people. I'm gonna buy 12 books. You know, it's like, okay, you're limited in time. So it's like, okay, cool. Come up with the like the top schmies in the space that are of interest to you. And for now, stick to them.
00:14:58
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And you might ask yourself, OK, let's just sing for the moment. You say, Peter Tia, cool. All right, does that mean you read his book? Well, you already are. Cool. Maybe you listen to his podcast. That could be another source of valuable information on fitness and and longevity. Has he done any classes through a university or through a nonprofit or things along those lines that you might want to sign up for and do a deep dive into his particular way of thinking?
00:15:23
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but you first have to ask the question, like how best do I learn? Do I learn by listening, viewing, feeling? Like, you know, ask that question. I know you're a prolific reader. You have like, how many i love books? yeah Yeah. Yeah. So like, okay. So that's, that's something business we should have two people to look into your fitness under longevity. Yep. Okay. So, you know, another one was sleep.
00:15:49
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So you'd be like, okay, who are the schmees in sleep? And if I remember correctly, Walker, Matt Walker is one of the guys who's well known. Matt Walker. Yeah. And my friend Kirk Parsley is a medical doctor, sleep expert, former seal. What's his name? Kirk Parsley. P A R S L E Y. Kirk Parsley. Okay. like is that like Like the vegetable, Kirk Parsley. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
00:16:16
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Never thought of it that way, but Kirk Parsley. He was a SEAL, then became a medical doctor, who went back in the SEAL teams, and he was really brilliant on sleep and and health and longevity, because what he would see is these young men who were like, you know, top physical condition, they don't know sleep, you know, because they're especially when they're on combat tours, you know, like they're up all night long, they might sleep for a couple hours, and they're on the next mission.
00:16:41
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And you saw that the testosterone crashed and other were such factors crashed. So he became really interested in sleep. So like I would say between Matt Walker and he are two key people in the sleeping space. So look maybe if you want a third, cool, but like those are two. And then look in to see how you want to study their work. And you always want to ask yourself the question, like what's the outcome of studying these things?
00:17:04
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Because it's not just keepers over mental masturbation. It's cool if you just want to mentally masturbate. But I would imagine for you, you're like, actually, we fucking want to live longer. Like, what are my takeaways from from Peter, Tia, and Dr. G that I can utilize in my life that I can actually make myself live longer, healthier, more productive life? Same with sleep. It's not just like, oh, um now I know a lot about sleep. It's like, no, out I don't want to actually improve my sleep. So as you go through these things, ask yourself a question. what's what is my What do I want to get out of this?
00:17:34
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you really clear on on taking whatever that is and applying it. So you're actually, you can test your hypothesis like, oh, I studied, you know, I studied Dr. Kirk Parsley stuff, I'm trying it out and my sleep score is better. Cool, deep sleep is better, remnants is better, latency, all those things have improved, awesome. So like, you know, and you always hit the start class when you measure, you always want to measure stuff, right?
00:17:59
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yeah hundred two Your baseline, implement their ideas, see if it works for you. Sorry, so that's the sleep. The third category I had mentioned was stress management.
00:18:13
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but But actually, let me you know I'm just running through my own program, because I have four pillars in my physiological program aspect of my program. yeah I'm always thinking about circadian biology in the day-night light cycles that we've evolved over millions of years on planet Earth. Day-night cycles, and something more recently, because of the Industrial Revolution, that I have artificial lights and exogenous chemicals that can disrupt sleep. So it's like, I would um might encourage you, since you're interested in longevity, to start studying circadian biology.
00:18:40
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And there's a few people in that space who've written books to give you an idea of like, oh, I need to kind of lock my system into these natural cycles. On occasion, you can break it. Like, yeah, I got to stay up late, and I got to go party with my friends, or I got, you know, I got, whatever's got to going on. But like, you know, generally speaking, if you want to live along, you want to live within the 24 again cycles. And you can literally look up circadian biology. There's a, what you can remember his name,
00:19:10
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It's an Indian from India last name. He's really well known in the circadian biology field. I apologize, I just can't remember his name. But I can ah look it up and I'll send it to you off offline. But actually, there's a podcast, Found My Fitness. She's an amazing podcaster. She's interviewed him, this gentleman, like if I can remember his name, a lot on his podcast about the day night light cycle, day night cycles.
00:19:37
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And it's interesting, too. If you dive into the circadian biology, it also touches upon sleep. It touches upon fitness. It touches upon stress management. All these things are interconnected. So we won't even kind of break them apart for conversation's sake and for planning. But a lot of the stuff that you're interested in are interconnected. So let me just stop there on the circadian biology. We can do stress. We can do social engagement. We can do environmental factors if you want. We're going to break that down. Yeah, these are good. I really like it. I think it's great.
00:20:07
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00:20:11
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I love it. I've got a whole bunch of sleepbooks here that I bought and I haven't read them I've got Matt Walker's book here Why we sleep so it's It's time to start kind of prioritizing reading what I'm what I'm doing right now is I'm I'm just like I'm reading Outlive and I'm reading a book on how to build followership on social media. So those are the two books that I'm reading at the same time. And I'm reading a book, a fiction book just to help me sleep at night type of thing. So those are but those those are the books that I'm reading right now. And then I'm gonna get into some of these other books. Like I'm gonna order Gabby Lyons' book. And I have Bill Pearl, a bunch of Bill Pearl's books. I don't know if you remember Bill Pearl. He was Mr. Universe back in the day. And-
00:21:02
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So I have a bunch of his books here. um He wrote a book, he wrote three books that I have, Bill Pearl's Keys to the Inner Universe, which is an encyclopedia on weight training. I'm gonna go through that. It's a thick, thick book. There's ah a Bill Pearl story book. There's another book he's got here called Getting Stronger that I've had for like, God, 40, 50 years. So those are some books I'm gonna make sure I get into. I'm gonna look into some of these podcasts. I'm gonna listen to them. I think it's a great idea.
00:21:30
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It's a great idea to break everything down. So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to take this longevity area and break it down with like books, courses, podcasts. I'm gonna start to to really tackle this and I'll do the same for the business stuff. you know The same for business being an area, business growth, like sales, scaling, personal branding, social media, followership, all that jazz. That's the way to do this.
00:21:58
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this personal PhD in my opinion Michael is very powerful and honestly if I were you I would sit down and think this through and create some sort of a tool some sort of a scorecard that you could put out there for people to help create their own. And it could be a great way for you to you know capture someone's email address, get them to be in touch with you. But the personal PhD is a way to dramatically increase your knowledge about a subject in a year or less. I think that's spectacular. Yeah, thank you. No, I agree. I use it myself, obviously. And and a couple of things to consider, too. and I have some of my clients do book reports when they read books.
00:22:41
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And it's not just like, hey, I want to make sure you guard the knowledge. It's like, what are you, what are you learning and applying in your life? And I want to reiterate the importance of like, Hey, it's great. You're reading these things or watching these videos or listen to the podcast. Like for me, for you and for anyone who's listening, isn't, yeah, cool. If it's just intellectual stimulation, that's awesome. Okay. You can stop there. But like, if you actually want to grow as a human being and the totality of your life, then how how can you make sure you take what you're learning Experiment with it. I mean, just because a PRT recommends something you try doesn't mean it's going to work for you. yeah Try it out. See if it works for you. Always under medical supervision. Don't do anything under without medical supervision. I don't want to get sued. But you know like cool. Try things out. Experiment. See if it works for you. to Get a baseline. See if it improves your your your whatever you're functioning over time. but My sleep scores are better. My physical fitness is better. My stress is less. Whatever it is. And and then keep practicing. Keep keep experimenting. so like
00:23:35
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If it's just mental masturbation and stimulation, cool. If you actually want to shift and change your life, grow and evolve and adapt, then make sure you're clear on what the outcomes you might want from studying these things. Create baselines so you know where you're starting from and test yourself over time to make sure that these ideas work for you, that you can actually embody them. Yeah, man, I like this a lot. I think this is spectacular, brother. This is really, really spectacular. Like for me,
00:24:05
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Longevity, health health, fitness, nutrition, ah sleep, medicine, all of that. Super, super important for me. Super important to learn this and get better at it. yeah so Yeah, and I'm very fortunate to know a lot of people in this space, so like offline I can make introductions for you for some of these people. That'd be great. Dr. G and Kirk Parsley, and and I know other people in the longevity space too.
00:24:31
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I'd love to meet Kirk. I think that'd be great. Dr. G, I'd love to meet her too. I think that'd be fantastic. And okay I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to, I'm going to give myself some homework to like develop this and really go deep into all the aspects of longevity. And I'll make that like one aspect of my personal PhD for, for next year. And the other aspects going to be business.
00:24:58
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Business growth. okay Make recommendations on either side of this. so like yeah Once you come up with a clear plan, the other side of is like, okay, how do you operationalize it? like you know If you look at it and you're like, holy shit, this is like 40 hours of study a week, maybe I don't have 40 hours, cool. like You got to be realistic with your time, your own cognitive constraints, but then plug it into a calendar. Hey, every day from 12 to 2, whatever your thing is, I'm making it up, but like this is my personal PhD time.
00:25:26
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unless there's Unless there's a family emergency or I have a paying client coming in, I'm sticking to this, you know like cool. And then on the front side of it too, this is an important exercise that my friend Victor recommended to me as I was talking to him about the personal PhD stuff is like, make sure you you're clearing your values. What drives you?
00:25:45
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in terms of your values because for some people they might put together a personal PhD and they might not be so inclined to really operationalize it over time because it's not really their interest to study these things. It's other people's other other people's values that they've incorporated into life. So it's important to kind of get a clear sense of like This is an innate intrinsic driven interest of mine, not because I have to, because so-and-so told me to. Now, hey, you know you're working and your boss has you study stuff, you can definitely put this into this kind of program. Cool. But I'd also recommend this is more about like, what are your values? ah you And does your personal PhD reflect what you actually want to do, your intrinsic interest and curiosity to study something?
00:26:32
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You know, for me, all this does, all these topics are very interesting and beyond interesting. They, they speak to my soul, especially the the longevity stuff really speaks to my soul. And so does that answer that question. Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah.
00:26:53
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And the rest of it, the business stuff, does it speak to my soul? Not necessarily speak to my soul, but it's there to help me achieve an outcome. And that outcome really is to is to create a level of abundance that allows me to look after myself and all the people I love and I care about and to teach it to other people. So that's important to me as well. That's right. So one of your values is having FU money, right? FU money, baby. We talked about this before, FU money.
00:27:24
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Let's go. Let's go. I would imagine one of your highest values is learning because obviously you're a lifelong learner because like look all the books and we've talked about this. Another high value of yours would be, yeah, a few money because I want to create a life that's conducive for me to be able to do all these other things with my friends and family and loved ones, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Amen, man. Amen.
00:27:49
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Michael, this has been a fascinating conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time to outline what a personal PhD is, how you've applied it. I double dog dare you to create a tool called the personal PhD and put it out there to help other people and also to help your business because I think it'll do both. um And thank you for teaching it to me. I'm really clear on how I'm going to create my personal PhD.
00:28:16
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I'm going to make it a fun process. And, you know, um, right now tonight I'm driving my son to hockey and I got to be there for two hours while he changes. He has an hour and a half practice and changes back for us to leave. So what I'm going to do tonight is I'm bringing the Peter out of your book with me.
00:28:38
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And I'm going to sit down. I dropped it now. So here it goes. It comes back on the desk. I'm going to sit down with a notebook, and I'm going to read. I'm going to take notes. I may also bring the the social media book, the One Million Followers, and spend some time going through that. I'll probably also bring my my novel.
00:29:00
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it's It's one of John McDonald's novels. I don't know if you remember that Travis McGee detective character from back in the day. Yeah. So this, this guy, he's awesome. He, he has some amazing, amazing, uh, detective novels. He wrote them in the fifties and sixties. And, uh, this one was written in 1966. It came out in 66. He died in 86. That's 20 years later. Really, really great writer. Really enjoy reading his book. So.
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All of these to me are powerful. I'm gonna spend time on them today and I'm going to learn about how to live longer. I'm gonna learn about social media and I'm gonna expand my mind with stories because stories speak to my soul. They just do their fun. i nice If I make a recommendation, since you're going to spend some time tonight with a Peter Tia book, you know, in conversation with you, I kind of laid out mostly from what you said, then I've added a different thing. It's like five or six subcategories or longevity. His book actually chapter to chapter might lay out a structure that that might speak better to you.
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you know So pay attention to how other people structure their thinking, especially in this case longevity, because there might be six or seven subcategories that are easier to understand and fit underneath your longevity thing. You can really go to him as to kind of expand exponential growth from his perspective using his model. Maybe. ah you know be I think so. I think that is a possibility. yeah I think it's ah think it's a great idea, man. I really appreciate it. Cool.
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Again, Michael, thank you for coming up with the concept. It's real thought leadership. ah Please create the tool, share it with me, share it with others, and let's help more people who believe in growth and growth and learning are high values for, learn how they can operationalize, as you say, and systematize how they go about growing and learning so it becomes easier and more fun and Better laid out, better planned. We all need that. Right on. Don't you agree? Yeah, 100%. 100%. And if you ever want to talk through what you come up with as a draft, i I'm always around for you. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, I'm going to see you in a couple of weeks, so I'll have something to say. I'll see you then. But over lunch, you're like, yo, Michael, here's what I come in for. Exactly. over Hopefully, over person. Yeah, dude, you got it. 1,000%.
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um I'm actually doing a video channel. I'll say this as we close off with a friend of mine who's from Florida, but he's originally from here his mom and dad live here and This channel is is we're calling it cool shit Mendo and
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What we're doing tomorrow is we're doing a restaurant review of that Persian restaurant that we had lunch at last time. So we're gonna have somebody with a camera and we're gonna sit down and we're gonna eat. We're gonna do a review of the food in the restaurant. So I'm excited to do that review and have it out there. And I'm excited about this new channel because I really wanna put content out there four men on the masculinity side, and I think Clue Shit Men Do is going to be a really cool channel for folks. I like that. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Yeah, man. All right, brother, fortune. Yeah, me too. Thank you, and that was a great conversation, and God bless, and bye-bye. This episode has been brought to you by E-CircleAcademy.com, the proven system to add six to seven figures a year to your thought leader practice.