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EP612: Andrew Matthews - How To Sell 10 Million Books!
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“Acceptance is power. Acceptance allows us to move on.”
Are you bouncing back from a setback? Whether you're an entrepreneur facing adversity, a leader dealing with life’s challenges, or simply navigating through your own personal journey, resilience is the key to success. But how can you stay driven when the odds seem stacked against you?
Discover the art of resilience and non-attachment, uncovering how a little failure can be the gateway to monumental success, and exploring how to embrace challenges, bounce back stronger, and thrive, no matter the obstacle.
Andrew Matthews is a best-selling author and legend in the personal development world. With over 3 million copies sold of his first book, “Being Happy”, and countless other global bestsellers like “Making Friends” and “Bouncing Back”, Andrew has inspired millions to live with purpose, joy, and resilience and he shares his journey from rejection to success and how mastering the mindset of non-attachment has led him to uplift people worldwide.
Books:
Being Happy: https://www.amazon.com/Being-Happy-Andrew-Matthews/dp/0843128682
Bouncing Back: https://www.amazon.com/Bouncing-Back-Rebound-Disappointment-Disaster/dp/0645846244
Visit Andrew's website at andrewmatthews.com and subscribe to his newsletter for regular doses of inspiration.
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Transcript
Introduction to Resilience and Happiness
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What is it that happy people do and how do they think? Happy people are resilient people. Acceptance is power. Acceptance allows us to move on. You do your best and you move on. The less that we are attached to a result, the less we become desperate, then the more likely it is that something's going to happen.
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I had 77 rejections before I got a book published. Maybe you'll only need 30 rejections or maybe you'll need 100 before you get a book published, but does it really matter? So long as you keep going and so long as you keep trying to tweak that manuscript and make it better. Resilient people find purpose in whatever is happening in their life. In other words, they may say, I wouldn't have chosen to be in this situation, but what am I learning and how am I becoming a better person? Look for good things every day because we find what we look for.
Podcast Introduction and Guest Overview
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Welcome to the Thought Leader Revolution with Nikki Ballou. Join the revolution. There's never been a better time in history to speak your truth, find your freedom, and make your fortune. Each week, we interview the world's top thought leaders and learn the secrets of how they built a six to seven figure practice. This episode has been brought to you by eCircleAcademy.com, the proven system to add six to seven figures a year to your thought leader practice.
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Welcome to another exciting episode of the podcast, The Thought Leader Revolution. I'm your host, Nicky Baloo. And boy, do we have an exciting guest lined up for you today.
Andrew Matthews' Personal Development Journey
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Today's guest is a legend in the personal development space. He is one of the world's all-time best-selling authors in this space. He has written some incredible books. The first of his books that I read was called, Being Happy.
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He also then wrote another book that I loved and sold a gazillion copies called Making Friends. And since then, he's written countless other international global bestsellers, reaching and uplifting the lives of millions and millions of people. I am speaking, of course, of none other than the one, the only, the legendary Andrew Matthews. Welcome to the show, Andrew.
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Hey, Nicky, nice to be with you. Thank you. It's great to have you here. So, Andrew, my listener who listens to this show is a seeker. They tend to be entrepreneurs or entrepreneurial. And they come to the show, not because of me, because I'm here every week. They're here for you. They want to learn from you. But before they can do that, they got to get to know you. So tell us your backstory. How'd you get to become the great Andrew Matthews?
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Yes, there are. Well, I thought um as a teenager that I would either be Prime Minister of Australia or at least a lawyer. and um But then I thought, well, um I started law school and I didn't enjoy it at all. And I had another love which was drawing and painting. So I took myself to art school in America, actually the Art Students League of New York.
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And so then I was going to be an artist. And into my 20s, I discovered that a lot of people were happier than I was. And I was trying to figure out why are so many of my friends happier than me? What is it that happy people do and how do they think? And that took me into a journey of reading and doing courses and and After a couple of years, I discovered that um a lot of the books that I was reading seemed to have good information but they were fairly boring. And I wondered if using my drawing skills and cartooning love for cartooning, if I could write a simpler book, if I could write a book ah for people who hate self-help books. And so that led to being happy.
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i um I completed the manuscript and I sent it to ah publishers around the world and um they weren't that enthusiastic. and But eventually, in Singapore, I found a small ah publisher who said, we think that we can take this book to the market. And so Being Happy was released. And um from a shaky start, from an unknown author,
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Being Happy is now sold, I think, three million copies.
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So that then led to um a series of other books, Making Friends, which was about relationships somewhat. ah Follow Your Heart, which was a book for people who are wanting to enjoy their work. um How do we find meaning in in going to work every day and ah how can we perhaps um do work that we love.
Writing Journey and Embracing Rejections
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I did a book for teenagers, Being a Happy Teen, ah a book during the GFC called Happiness in Hard Times, um a book, um How Life Works, which was a really ah a bit of ah an exploration of um
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of, I suppose, metaphysics and how it is that this world works and how our thoughts create the life we have. And then more recently, ah my latest book, Bouncing Back, how we rebound from disaster and disappointment.
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I love all of these. I've read a number of them, and I'm ah looking forward to reading your latest book as well. But let's delve into the story of the adversity you faced in getting your first book published, because there's a lot of people that have big dreams. And when they hit a little bit of adversity, many of them, well, they get discouraged and they stop.
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You sent your book, your manuscript to, I'm sure, dozens of publishers around the world. What had you continued to move forward with no loss of enthusiasm and if in the face of so many people saying, no, we're not that interested? Well, actually, we've got to backtrack a bit. Because before ah being happy, which was the first book that I ever got published, there was a children's book that I wrote. OK.
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I'd heard that it can be tough to get published, so when I finished the manuscript of my children's book, I thought I had a brilliant strategy. um I thought if I get the names of the 60 major publishers in the English language in the world, and I make 60 copies of this manuscript of my children's book, and I send it to all of those publishers at once,
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then I'm not going to be waiting for to see if one publisher likes it. I will just, suddenly I'm going to expose myself to all of them and then I will just pick the five or 10 that like it. And ah so I sent off these 60 manuscripts and ah within a couple of weeks I'm starting to get rejections. This is back in the days when people would actually write to you and um ah So i before long I had like 10 and 20 and 30 and 40 and 45 and 51 and 57, 58, 59, 60, and then 61. I set out 60 manuscripts. I got 61 rejections. One publisher wrote to me twice and said, forget it.
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but um ah I wrote and that was when I thought, well, I need another book. And it was after I decided that maybe I could write something in the um in the area of how it is that we find ah joy and meaning in the face of everyday disappointments um that I wrote being happy. So in actual fact, I i had 77 rejections before I got a book published.
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um And I often say to people who ask me, and maybe maybe you'll only need 30 rejections or maybe you'll need 100 before you get a book published, but does it really matter? So long as you keep going and so long as you keep um trying to tweak that manuscript and make it better, then eventually you get there or maybe these days you publish it yourself.
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You know, 77 rejections on the way to millions of books sold is not too shabby, but the average person would quit after the third to the tenth rejection. Like, by the third rejection, 60% of people have quit. By the tenth rejection, 99% of people have quit.
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What allowed you to keep going? the Like after the first book, 60 Rejections, wow, then you had an idea for the next book. How did you keep your enthusiasm going?
Maintaining Motivation After Setbacks
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like I think the the first thing is that you've got to be excited about what you're doing. And and and you have to say to yourself, I'm i'm doing something that is useful and is needed and is going to help people and there's not something quite like the books that I'm writing. And um I suppose i I did get a little encouragement in that there were people who said we looked at it really closely and we almost said yes. So I had some of those. And um I think the other thing is that
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If you're doing other things at the same time, I was beginning to ah do a lot of work um with weekend seminars. i I was sharing my message with um corporations.
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i was um So i was i was it wasn't like that was the only thing that was happening. And so I think very often it's helpful if if we've got other ions in the fire. So we're not holding our breath.
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You know, this is gold. This is gold. So number one, be excited about what you're doing and be be persuaded yourself that what you're doing is something that's of benefit to the world and to humanity. And secondly, be doing something else that's working. That's important too, right? If you put all your eggs in the one basket, that can get tough. Yeah.
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And and and i I think that also translates into ah if if you if you have a product that you're taking to the world or you or you're sharing in any way. ah You go see Nikki and you say, this is what I've got and if Nikki doesn't like it, then you go see the next guy and you go see the next guy and you're never waiting to see whether Nikki's going to like it. You do your best and you move on. You do your best and you move on. And the less that we are attached to a result, the less that we become desperate, then the more likely it is that something's going to happen.
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you know, uh, Don Miguel Ruiz, uh, who wrote the four agreements, his son wrote a book called on the five levels of attachment. And he talks a lot about being unattached and how powerful that is to live a, a flowing life. And it sounds like you discovered this in this process for yourself. I did Nikki. Um, and I, I had to,
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But i you know I think a lot of us have this experience that you know we meet someone and we think, i I really hope they're going to call me or I hope this ah develops into something. um But if we hold our breath, if we're desperate, then nothing happens. But if we say, well, I spent a nice evening with them and I let that go and whether or not that leads to anything, I'm unattached.
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I move on with my life. so um So often we're told that we need to live in the moment and when we can live in the moment, we're automatically unattached.
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Wow. I'm learning a lot from listening to you describe this process to me and I and i thank you for that because i'm going to I'm going to apply what you've said in my own life. So Andrew, um
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i used to be a top fitness trainer and its
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about 13 or so years ago, i I got out of that field um for a variety of reasons. And I got into the world of doing business coaching and and seminars like yourself and workshops and so forth. And I loved what I was doing, the the new field I got into, but a switch flipped in my head and I wasn't as focused on my health and fitness. And over a 12 year period, I gained over 50 pounds, right?
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And every year I tell myself, oh, you're you this is the year you're gonna turn it around. And I never did. And last February 2nd, 2023, I looked at myself in the mirror with my shirt off and my belly hanging out over my jeans. And I was thoroughly disgusted and disappointed with myself. And I made a decision in that moment that, okay, this is it. You are really gonna turn this around this year.
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And I did two very smart things in that moment. Number one is I decided that I wasn't going to buy the lie that I was a trainer and I could turn this around because I wasn't a trainer anymore. And number two is I decided I needed a trainer. I needed ah someone who knew how to do what I used to know how to do.
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So I hired a guy and then I made a really good decision, which was I wasn't gonna argue with what he told me. Even though I had a lot of knowledge and background in the space, I was gonna do whatever he said. And that was the hardest part because believe me at the beginning, I wanted to argue with him about all the advice he gave me, but I just bit my tongue and closed my mouth and put my head down and did what he said. So long story short is I lost 60 pounds.
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I ah entered a bodybuilding competition. I'm 57 years old. I entered a bodybuilding competition for ah men 20 years younger than me. And I came in third. And next time I do it, I'm going to go enter in a show for men 50 plus, even 55 plus. And what I realized from doing this is first of all, I look and I feel great. I love it. It's exciting. It's fantastic. But I realized that to truly get to a pinnacle of success, I need to let go of the person that I was and step into the person that I intend to become. And that is challenging. That is tough. And part of that is to no longer be attached to who I was and how I did things.
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and This conversation you and I are having now is crystallizing what I did and how I did it, and it's helping me apply this to other areas of my life. So for that, I'm extremely grateful, Andrew. Thank you. Well, um congratulations on what you've done because so many people would have um said, well, that was that was how I was, but um I can never
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go back to that level of have fitness because... I'm too old. That's what I told myself for when I hit 50. Yeah, it's 50. Can't do it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
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um But this whole ah question of non-attachment is very, very powerful. And ah I want to ask you to talk about your new book and perhaps as you do so, maybe delve a little bit more deeply for me and for my listener about non-attachment and why that matters.
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Okay. um Well, if if we just speak a little bit more about non-attachment, I mean, ah we see it everywhere.
Philosophy of Non-Attachment
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If we if we look at people that that we love or we want to be with, um um was it's interesting that that we we love babies. You know, most of us are just so attached attracted to babies, and babies couldn't care less whether you like them or not.
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and And as we develop our intellect and try to and figure out how to maybe get people to like us, we seem to um do less and less well, whereas babies who who don't really care and and just live are a wonderful example of how it is that we become a magnet for other people by just living and being who we are. And um yes and so I think it is with everything we do, if we can if we can bring ourselves back to saying, um, yeah, I'm doing this job. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm washing my car for my mother. I don't care whether she I'm unattached or whether she uh, thanks me for it. She likes it or not. I'm just, I'm, I'm in the moment and I'm enjoying it. I'm doing it because it's what I want to do. Uh, we're giving a speech and we say,
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All I want to do is share something of value to these people. I'm unattached to whether they think I'm brilliant or amazing. My mission is to be the best I can be in sharing something useful. And so and similarly, if if you're ah if you're a tennis player, if you can be enjoying it in the moment and and unaffected by whether you actually win the point or win the match,
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then you're always performing better. so So much of it comes back to unattachment, just saying, i'm just I'm just doing this, being here, enjoying this, and whatever comes of this ah is a bonus. and And similarly, I guess then we're we're a lot happier at work and we're a lot happier in relationships because we're just saying, I do this because it's my joy to do it and I'm not i'm not attached to the results.
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and And ironically, when we're not attached to the results, then the results tend to come.
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That's very true. That's very perceptive. um When I was going through the process of doing the workouts and changing my diet, I got to tell you, there were moments it was not a lot of fun um because Well, let's face it, I'd given up all the foods that I liked, not all of them, but a lot of them. And I had to eat according to a certain plan and I was eating less. So my energy dropped for periods of this. We had to kind of adjust my diet until at the point where I was like feeling good because there was times I was just, I felt horrible. um But I kept my eye on the goal and the goal was to look and feel
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20 years younger, you know, was to to achieve something that I no longer had believed was possible for me anymore. Because I bought the lie that you're over 50, it's not going to happen for you. And when that lie was blown up, I got to tell you, Andrew, it it made me see that There are so many other things, limitations that I'd bought into, that it was time to freaking blow those limitations up too. Do you know what I'm saying? and and It's amazing how a little bit of success um ah we gets us to see other possibilities. um even Even on a daily basis, I make lists of things that I need to do during the day.
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But sometimes if I've already done it, I'll put it on my list just because it makes me feel better. And I and and i look at that list and say there's so much more I can get done today because I i can see what I've already achieved. So it's it's amazing how just making a note of this is where I've come is so helpful.
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So it's um you were asking about bouncing back. Now, I don't know whether you can see that. so I can see it. Yeah, it's brilliant. My my brand new book, Bouncing Back, which um and grew in part out of COVID, but it grew in part out of, um I guess, knowing that happy people are resilient people. And so I thought it was worthwhile looking at in in ah in a very simple way, what it is that happy people, what it is that resilient people do. Why bouncing back? Because we're all bouncing back from something. We're bouncing back from disappointment, we're bouncing back from eating too much or spending too much, or we're bouncing back from being exhausted, or maybe a relationship that didn't work out quite as well as we wanted, or we may be bouncing back from
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loss or tragedy. um so What is it that resilient people do? First thing is that resilient people find purpose in whatever is happening in their life.
Finding Growth in Challenges
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In other words, they may say, I wouldn't have chosen to be in this situation, but what am I learning and how am I becoming a better person?
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and Very often, the things that we thought were breaking us are actually making us. That's really good.
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hey really ahs i really talent There's a cartoon for that in in Bouncing Back. So, resilient people understand that, that what we thought was ruining our life often sets us up for the next major success.
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So we can go back and and and examine some of these. So the first thing is that resilient people find purpose in whatsever whatever is happening. The next thing is that resilient people, number two, resilient people accept the things they can't change. And a lot of things we can change. But um sometimes we suffer a loss or a tragedy or we get sacked or We lose someone, dear there's a point at which we say, I wouldn't have chosen this, but I accept this. So acceptance is power. Acceptance allows us to move on. and There's a myth maybe that a lot of us subscribe to, which is, if I accept this rotten moment, then I'll be stuck with it.
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And the actual truth is that when we accept something, that we would rather didn't happen. That is when we get to move on. um If we've been badly treated or bullied or let down or sacked,
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you know there's a point at which we say, okay, I didn't want this, but I accept it. That's that's where we get to move on. The third thing that The third thing that resilient people do is that they look for good things every day. And we have to do that because we find what we look for. If you look for faults in your boyfriend, you find them. And if you look for good things in your life or where you live or you say, what do I love about my job? What do I love about my family? Then you find things. So ah to a great degree, our happiness depends on the questions that we ask ourselves.
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Yes. um The next thing that we noticed that resilient people do, and you touched on that when you were talking about coming back from from your being 50 pounds overweight, um that resilient people attack life one day at a time. ah You do your best until bedtime. You get up tomorrow and you do it again. And that is the only, ah we could never,
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um carry around everything we need to wear or eat in the next five years on our back. You can't do that. oh and nice Neither can you carry around all the things that you might need to worry about or all the things that you might need to do in the next five years. But you can manage life in 24-hour compartments.
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and Number five, resilient people just basically, when they fall down, they get back up because what else are you going to do? At some stage, you have to say, the everybody hurts, everybody makes mistakes, everybody fails, and we get back up. I talk a little about the value of goals in bouncing back.
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um What we notice is that whenever we set goals, we feel better. You join a gym, you feel better, you haven't even done anything yet. You decide to tidy your garage, you feel better, you haven't even done anything yet. yes as Any psychologist will tell you that
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As soon as you begin to take control ah over your life, you feel happier. And the value of setting goals, little goals, big goals, is that it makes you happier. And the other thing is that when you set out to do something extraordinary, you become extraordinary. If you set out to raise extraordinary children, then you become an extraordinary person.
Seven Principles of Resilience
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If you set out to build an extraordinary business, then it's just not the business, but it's what it makes of you in the process. And that's exciting. So the seventh thing that I talk about in Bouncing Back that that resilient people do is they imagine a better life. You have to see your life as better in order for it to become better.
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um whenever we but You see somebody win a like the Master's Golf tournament or win an Academy Award. So often they say something like, I was 10 years old and I was already imagining this. I saw this. We have to have a picture in our mind of where we're going. Even happiness begins as an idea.
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We see ourselves as living a happier life, and then we can move toward it. So we become what we think about, and so we need to see that better life. So those those are the the the seven things that resilient people do. They find purpose. They accept whatever's happened that they can't change. They look for good things every day. They live life one day at a time.
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They get up when they fall down because what else are you going to do? They set goals because we're happier when we take control of our life. And they imagine a better life because that's where a better life starts.
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These are seven very powerful principles of how to live a resilient life. While you were talking, I went ahead and ordered the book. I know you tried to send it to me. And God, it seems like someone in Canada Customs opened the package, took the book out, and just gave me the envelope. It was the funniest thing. I've never seen or experienced something like that. I guess someone needed it more than me. So I ordered that book, and that'll be added to my collection of Andrew Matthews books. listener Andrew Matthews is a true legend in this space. His books have affected and impacted the lives of millions upon millions of people. I recommend that you buy Bouncing Back, but don't just buy Bouncing Back. Buy his entire book list. When I find an author whose works impact me, I don't just read one book.
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that they've written. I read all of their books. I just go and purchase book after book after book. And right now, these are just three of Andrew's books that are here with me. I've got a couple more. Follow Your Heart is fantastic as well. How Life Works was great. And I'll tell you, this this body of work is a force for good in the world.
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And so I just want to first of all thank you Andrew for having had the courage to make your vision come alive, initially with being happy and then with the other books that you have written, for teaching us how to be relentlessly optimistic and move forward.
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And for continuing to write books to inspire people, it's a beautiful thing. And I want more people from the new generation of of younger folks to find out about you and your works and start to to read them. Thank you, Nicky. I mean, it's my joy to share these things because um ah the the the The joy for me and my Julie, my wife, is my publisher. And so um and she's the reason we're in 48 languages. I mean, she's just um unstoppable.
00:32:16
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um and And I've been so blessed to to have this woman married to her now for 33 years. And she's been my publisher for like 25. And i learn I learn from her every day.
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um we We get emails and letters from Serbia, from Russia, from Mexico, from Sweden every day. People who say, you know, I found your book unexpectedly. um i I wrote a story in ah um and bouncing back of Umi, a lady in Singapore.
00:32:59
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And she went to see the doctor. She was broke and she was living with her parents. And she said, ah your book was on the coffee table in the waiting room. And she said, I got to read seven pages before the doctor called me in. And I had to buy that book. um And she said, I i borrowed the $20 because I didn't have $20.
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And she said, i I bought the book and I felt better about myself and I felt better about what I could do. She said, I saw an ad on Facebook. Somebody wanted to buy 10 serves of chicken rice for $30. So she said, I went and spent $50 on ingredients and I sold this $30 worth of chicken rice. Now I was,
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$20 down the hole, but she said, I'd started something. And she began cooking from the kitchen of her little apartment. And eventually, she moved into a commercial kitchen. And she says, today, I own a multi-million dollar catering business. I have a restaurant on nosh noodle bar on the Esplanade in Singapore. um She has a catering company.
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um and um And Julie and I had dinner with her in her restaurant on the beautiful Singapore Esplanade overlooking the the bay there. um Sometimes we just need a little bit of encouragement that we might get from a book or a podcast and and we make a start.
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You know, my late father, God rest his soul, told me everyone needs someone to believe in them. And he told me that your job in this life is to provide that little spark of belief by believing in people. Because when their belief in themselves wobbles, sometimes it just takes that little spark to turn into a roaring fire of self-belief inside your fellow human being. And that, my friend,
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is what you do with your books and it's a
Encouragement to Explore Matthews' Works
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beautiful thing. So if folks wanna buy your books, if folks want to find out about the other things you're up to, what's the best way? Okay, but the best place to get my books will be Amazon. So ah being happy, bouncing back, follow your heart, um how life works are all available on Amazon. ah Bouncing back is is now on Audible.
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as of the last couple of weeks, read by me. yeah awesome ah Follow Your Heart is also on Audible. I have a newsletter, ah so my website is andrewmatthews.com. um Matthew's spelt with two T's, so andrewmatthews.com, you can go to my website, I do a... We'll put all that in the show notes for you.
00:36:09
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and We'll put the correct spelling in the show notes so no one will mess it up. Right. So um visit my website. um joe i I send out a very brief newsletter every two weeks, which is just like a cartoon and maybe a couple of sentences. I love it. I'm in. And I think i think people do like something that's brief because we have ah we have an extraordinarily high open rate.
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um So I keep it brief, but we do need a reminder every so you know every week or two, we need something to just say, yes, I i can i can do this. I'm gonna subscribe myself and I'm gonna encourage everybody to do the same. I think that's a great idea. Wonderful. Andrew Matthews, it's been an absolute joy and pleasure to have you here on the show. Thank you so much for coming.
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Thank you, Nicky. It's been my joy to to share something and and let's let's be connected. Let's stay connected. Absolutely, we will. And I'm going to find other ways to help you. Listener Andrew Matthews is the real deal. Go to the show notes at thethoughtleaderrevolution.com to ah get his website, to sign up for his newsletter, go to Amazon and purchase his book list and especially start with Bouncing Back because that's his latest book.
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And that wraps up another exciting episode of the podcast, The Thought Leader Revolution. To find out more about today's amazing guests, the one and only Andrew Matthews, go to the show notes at thethoughtleaterrevolution.com or wherever you happen to listen to this podcast, be it iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, YouTube, Rumble, or what have you. Until next time, goodbye. This episode has been brought to you by eCircleAcademy.com, the proven system to add six to seven figures a year to your thought leader practice.