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The Second Matrix and Shadow Work
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On this episode we explore the idea of the second matrix and the mind trap that can arise when "Awakened" individuals fail to do the inner work.
Whether you are just starting out or have been on the spiritual path for many years, this show is a space for you to learn, grow, and be inspired.
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Brave Journey Within with Jim and Jen. This show is about the spiritual journey and all of the challenges, healing, wisdom, and consciousness expansion experienced along the way. And we're back for another edition of the Brave Journey Within, and we are going to try and be brave here today, huh, Jen? Yes, very much. I love this.
Exploring the Matrix and Reality
00:00:25
Speaker
So you came to me today with a topic talking about the second matrix. And I had never heard of that before, but I'm fascinated. So go ahead and start letting us know what this is about. Well, you know, one of the more influential things I ever came across in my life was watching the movie, The Matrix, which has all kinds of, I don't know, occult, esoteric themes in it.
00:00:54
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you know, that movie, and it just had its, I think, 25th anniversary from its release. Wow. And so the first time I ever saw that movie, I thought, okay, that hits. That hits. Like, that makes a lot of sense to me. Like, this is mimicking what the world really is. And kind of even going
Plato's Allegory and Awakening
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back, have you ever read, is it Plato's allegory of the cave? No, I never read that.
00:01:24
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It's just very short, but it's, you know, where the slaves are shown shadows, right? And they think that's all that exists in the world, right? They're afraid to leave the cave. And then at some point, some of them finally do, I think. But the world is that. Or at least how I see the world is, you know, we're shown what we're, I don't know.
00:01:52
Speaker
what the propaganda is or what the powers that be want to show you. And then you can either just accept that or question reality, question what's the motive behind certain things or why are we doing this or that? Why are we fighting certain wars? And you can
Understanding the Second Matrix
00:02:13
Speaker
go down other things. But the matrix is the control structure, basically, right? It's like the architecture that runs the world, the power brokers and that type of thing. And the second matrix is once you become aware of that, and maybe you break free or you kind of notice that, you start to fall into the second matrix, which is
00:02:38
Speaker
the labyrinth of your own mind. So, you know, where you intellectualize things, or you go down conspiracy theories, or you are, you go down the rabbit hole, but not in a healthy way. Like you haven't worked out certain things in your own life, or you haven't worked out your own trauma or shadow work, or psycho-spiritual work. And then you just trade off the old matrix for a new matrix, basically.
00:03:06
Speaker
And it's not until you do that inner work that you start to see things more clearly. That is scary for a lot of people because that requires effort and taking a look inside yourself and realizing that not everything is flattering. Yeah, so what I'm wondering is, as you're waking up and you can't possibly awaken to everything, there's so much to wake up to.
00:03:37
Speaker
we jump from the first matrix where we are very asleep into complete awakening. It's almost like it has to be in steps. Sure. I mean, it's definitely a process. I think once you begin to see through the matrix, you start to question things. And inevitably, if you're
00:04:05
Speaker
questioning the world, you are, you know, the unexamined life is not worth living. You know, you
Questioning Life and Values
00:04:12
Speaker
start to look inward and see what kind of world that you want, you know, to create, right? Or what's the life that you want to create? What do you value in life? And if you're sincere in that pursuit, you know, like you're a truth seeker or something like that, you, you almost have to do shadow work, right? Eventually you're going to get the best.
00:04:36
Speaker
in that, that requires effort. And you really do have to want it because it's not pleasant, right? Like most people would, like why would you, you know, like in the movie, The Matrix Life, right? Like I've seen enough. I just want to go back and enjoy my steak. Tastes good. I don't have to worry about all this stuff. It's nice and safe. Sometimes I'm like, hmm, that steak, I don't know. It's kind of scary when you start seeing everything, all the different truths out there about
00:05:07
Speaker
You know, what really happened in certain times in our history versus what we've been told. And so I don't know if we really want to go down those rabbit holes, but there are a lot of untruths that people use as a foundation. And so when you get rid of that foundation, people tend to need something to stand on. So I'm curious, Jim, when you started waking up and you started realizing that things weren't what they seemed.
00:05:36
Speaker
Did you have any sort of experience with a second matrix or maybe something that you started trying to grasp onto to hold onto as a reality that then crumbled as well? I
Catholic Upbringing and Guilt
00:05:56
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think, well, I mean, I grew up very Catholic. So that sort of doctrine was very etched into my mind.
00:06:07
Speaker
Um, you know, for example, um, you know, there's a certain things in the Bible or you're supposed to be a certain way or, um, maybe one of the things that was good that fell away was like guilt. I was just going to say the Catholic guilt. Did you have that? You know, like just this, uh, really weighty feeling of guilt and shame just for like existing or fear of God, you know, like I gotta be perfect. Otherwise.
00:06:37
Speaker
God's going to kill me and I'm going to burn in hell forever and it's going to be really bad and painful. Man, that's really awful. That causes you to live in fear in a lot of ways. That, I think, fell away at some point.
00:06:59
Speaker
The, what else fell away? I'm just questioning things, you know, like being entertained in some way, like a muse, like obviously I had some paranormal experiences or what maybe they're not really paranormal. They're just normal. Um, but to the other side, right. And this duality, like there's other, the unseen exists like that was eye opening. So that was really, um, helpful in some ways, like reassuring. You know, my near death experience, like, okay.
00:07:29
Speaker
So you don't die. Well, that's really empowering to know, uh, reincarnation, like learning about that intellectually, but then later on, you know, learning about hypnosis, doing a past life regression or multiple past life regression, and then conducting them. You know, that was fascinating.
Evil and Personal Capacity
00:07:56
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Uh, what else?
00:08:00
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I guess there was some disillusionment with things, you know, believing that you are on the right side of things or you are one of the good guys and maybe realizing that there is evil that exists in the world and it's not separate from you. Yeah. You know, and we all have our own capacity for evil too, right? Like that potential. That's some of that shadow work.
00:08:27
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I'd
Ego's Role and Illusions
00:08:28
Speaker
like to talk about that in just a few minutes, but it's interesting. I think when I woke up, I think we have to go through a bit of an ego death when we start our awakening process. And some people, when they start awakening, they still hold onto their ego a bit. And I wonder if that's why sometimes we need that second matrix.
00:08:54
Speaker
And maybe need is a strong word, but why we end up on a second matrix, because maybe we're not ready to see the ego for what it is yet. And, you know, I can think of many different examples of why that might be, but what's just occurring to me as we're talking about this is it's the ego that likes to hold on to some sort of
00:09:19
Speaker
foundation or belief system because then you don't feel like you're so wrong about something. There's other people backing you up. And I think when we let go of that first matrix, when we realize things aren't quite what they seem, we still have a group think need. We still need the herd to support us. And so sometimes I think because of our egos, we end up on that second matrix.
00:09:49
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And then we have yet another awakening to do. I'm just trying to think, you know, different areas in which I think maybe I started to falter and end up on a second matrix, because I'm pretty sure I did that multiple times. You know, maybe like I had a toe over here, and I was trying to like hold on to something. But I, you know, as I started diving into the shadow work and the deeper healing and really,
00:10:17
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facing myself and going through my own hero's journey and in my spiritual expansion, wow, what a shift that occurs on a very deep level. And you just kind of give up trying to identify everything because then you start to, at least for me, I start to realize, okay, I don't know everything I think I know. I know a lot, but yeah, do I? I don't know. So you start to question everything because
00:10:46
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You know, is this, you know, when you were telling me this today, I'm like, wow, you know, there's just so much we don't understand and so much we don't know, except for the experience that we have within. But
Beyond the Matrices
00:10:56
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what's hard about that is people who are in the matrix or the second matrix, like we're talking about today, they think they've got it. They think they know truth. They don't realize they don't.
00:11:08
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Then I'm like, okay, so wait a minute, is there a third matrix or a fourth matrix? Like, what is this? How do we know? Interesting that I had never heard someone put a term to it. And it's, I was listening to Bernhard Gunther, but he said that it comes from Neil Kramer, who I'm not familiar with his work, but obviously I'm interested in it and want to know more.
00:11:33
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But I thought it was a worthwhile topic just as we're going through this chain. We just had the solar eclipse, you know, this year of the dragon, all these things astrologically that are happening. I mean, we talk about the shift and ascension and all these things, right? Like revolutionary, right? Like what is that going to look like? I think.
00:11:55
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You know, from my perspective anyway, like things have to change. They can't go on like this. It's not, well, it's not satisfactory to me. Like I'm not content with that. I would like to see us evolve into something better than we are in, you know, how we treat each other and our planet. But if you're stuck in, you know, the second matrix, you're essentially what it is, Jen, is you're, you're working out your shit on other people, right?
00:12:24
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your stuff on other people. I'm holier than thou, you're not, right? Like I'm looking down on other people. I'm in my own sort of ego-driven world, I guess. Yeah, you know, I don't think there's anybody like that in the spiritual community. Yeah, right. Well, you know, since we're talking about this, so let's talk about the shadow self. What is your, I've heard different ideas of what the shadow self is. What is your version of that?
00:12:53
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Like what shadow work is. I mean, it's taking a look at the stuff about you that is not flattering, right? Like the things about you that you keep away from others, right? That you know that are not pleasant.
Concept of Wetiko
00:13:17
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And they're there and you can work on those.
00:13:20
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but it takes you, like, you have to be honest with yourself. Have you ever heard of the concept of wetiko? No, explain it to me. It's like a Native American, it's like a cannibalistic, like, evil, like, mind virus, but it's like you're, it's when you enact on, like, greed, or, like, it's like this destructive force, like, you're,
00:13:48
Speaker
Um, doing things that are self-serving and in a way that's destructive, you know, like I'm going to do what I want to do. And I don't care who I hurt along the way, you know, whether it's for greed or pleasure or anything else. And I think we'll see people like that, right? Like, and in some sense in American culture or Western culture, that that's glorified in the way, you know, there's people that.
00:14:13
Speaker
I mean, our kids are in some ways infected by this, right? On social media where, you know, it's how many likes do I have or, you know, Instagram models or, you know, portrayed with lifestyle. It's not necessarily like wholesome or soul nourishing, I would say. Yeah, I agree. In our benevolent sense. So it's facing our own, um,
00:14:41
Speaker
our own flaws, recognizing that we have them, right? So it takes a lot of humility too, you know, to kind of take a look at that. And this is also ongoing work. This is the stuff that I have been working on and will continue to work on, right? It's not, I don't think it's something that I just got, you know, it's like an ongoing process, right? Because we tell ourselves lies. We can be manipulative and lie to other people.
00:15:11
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We all have that tendency, whether or not we act on it. Yeah, well, it's because we want to be lovable enough, right? I mean, so we'll say little things or we'll hide something from ourselves that we just don't want to see because it makes us not lovable. So we all have our little inner Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates in us. Oh, God. You know, where it's like, OK. You know. We have the propensity to do
00:15:40
Speaker
you know, evil things. Yeah. Not that you do that, but... I think things is kind of on a spectrum. You know, there's a spectrum there of where our most likely behaviors may land. You know, so if you have zero to 10, zero is
00:16:05
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I'm really, really, really good. I'm not doing anything, anything wrong. I'm totally in integrity, whatever. Intent is totally out of integrity, selfish, doing only what you want for you and not caring about how it lands on other people. I think people
Good, Evil, and the Shadow Self
00:16:21
Speaker
have an average, but it doesn't mean like if someone's averaging a one, it doesn't mean they aren't capable of a 10. And sometimes they might actually act out of a 10, but maybe the majority of the time they're closer to zero.
00:16:35
Speaker
It's a spectrum, and we're constantly working. If you're on the path that we're on, you're constantly working to get closer and closer to zero to become the best version of you possible. I think more like what you said, moving towards integrity versus your false self. Yeah. But always realizing that we're not perfect at the same time. I was working with Amy, who one time she was working with me on something
00:17:06
Speaker
And she's like, you have some shadow self work to do. I'm like, are you kidding me? I do shadow self work all the time. What are you talking about? She's like, she's like, no, go into the shadow self space. And I was like, I've never heard of that before. And I just assume, you know, when I do shadow self work, it was always what are your subconscious beliefs, you know, embracing the ugliness within and the things that you have done or could do the things that you think about or things you experienced in a past life, but it's like just embracing
00:17:36
Speaker
the ugliness that you'd rather hide from. That's what I always associated shadow self with. So she said, no, it's almost like you're entering into a totally different space. And I was like, OK. So when I got off the phone with her, I got into some sacred space. And then I intended to enter into my shadow self space. I couldn't believe what I experienced. So it was almost like I walked through this door of this
00:18:04
Speaker
different dimensional space and it was dark and it was awful and there was there was stuff in there that I had to clear even negative things there were entities in there you know it's like there's just stuff and so I started doing that for a lot of my clients going into the shadow self space and it's unbelievable the things I find in there there's old curses in there there's
00:18:29
Speaker
Their father standing in there. There's old ancestry stuff in there. It's just it's like a whole different way of approaching the shadow self and what we need to heal that's
00:18:41
Speaker
that darkness around us or in us or through us. And so I don't know, it's just it threw a whole different spin on it. And so now I look at shadow self a little bit differently. I don't think of it as just like a subconscious thing. There's, it's almost like a whole dimensional space there with that. And, well, that's like the deep part of you, right? That has the wounds and the triggers. I think it's more than that. It's more than
00:19:10
Speaker
like the psychological or emotional stuff there. I mean, I actually was finding curses on people in there and including myself. And so like when I go to clear these things, I can taste it and I feel it and I experience it. And so like dark magic, things like that, it all has like a certain feel to it for me. And so I was able to determine what it was and then clear it from that space. And it did ship things.
00:19:40
Speaker
that's what Amy was tuning into. She was like, that needs to be cleared. But I could sit there and do all the exercises or meditative journaling and things like that around my shadow self, the way we typically think about it. And I never would have come to those things without having gone into that dimensional space of the shadow self. It's like, it's different.
00:20:05
Speaker
I don't know. I highly recommend people just like if you're into this stuff, get into that shadow of self space and just open the door almost like you're entering into like a portal into that space for yourself and see what you notice. Well, I would say preposter that could help you get there. But that's tuning into your body. But on a cellular level, and then that takes you
00:20:29
Speaker
it takes you deep. Maybe but this is this is like specific I have to specifically intend to go into that shadow self
Akashic Energies and Learning
00:20:37
Speaker
space. I can't just say okay show me what I need to work on show me what needs to be healed that's shadow. I had to go into that to see what was it's almost like it's manipulating the shadow self space in a way. It almost to me sounds like Akasha like the Akasha type
00:20:55
Speaker
energy that's attached to you. Any time I've ever been in the Akash, it's been very positive. This was not positive. This was clearing deep, dark stuff. And I've never heard anybody else talk about it the way that Amy did. And I've not really heard anybody else speak about it the way I've experienced it.
00:21:19
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but I've experienced it with a lot of my clients now. And so whenever there's really deep healing to do, I will go into that space for them. And sometimes I'll even help them get into it themselves so they can continue the work. And it's usually pretty profound. Well, how would you explain someone to do that? Well, if you are good at visualization, it helps.
00:21:47
Speaker
If you're not good at visualization, you may not be able to necessarily jump into this. But if you're good at visualization and you're good at allowing things to unfold and going on a journey, get into that meditative space. And then when you feel ready, ask for the door to that space for you, your shadow self space. And you might want to bring, if you use Archangel Michael or Yeshua or some sort of other being with you to help you,
00:22:17
Speaker
But then you go in and you walk in. And I always have to have a specific purpose in mind. So let's say somebody's having relationship issues. Maybe they've got some sort of weird contract with their spouse or something and it's causing some sort of wounding. And you can go in specifically to clear that.
00:22:40
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and you might be shown something about your father or about a past life or maybe you will find something dark. Maybe there's an entity in there that needs to be cleared. That's why I'm saying.
00:22:52
Speaker
bring another being with you to really help you step into that space powerfully. Because there are things sometimes, not every case for sure, but I have seen it quite a few times. And then what I typically do is I imagine that I have angel wings and that the angel wings are transmuting everything as I walk through. So it's like these angel wings are just going straight out and it's all lit up with the most powerful, beautiful white energy
00:23:20
Speaker
And as I'm walking through, I'm lighting up the space and I'm literally cleaning it and clearing it. And then I'm just noticing what's coming up. And I move all the way through to the end and there's always another door at the end. And then I just walk out that door and then I'm done. But it's different every time. There've been a few themes that I've seen there and I don't always know what they mean.
00:23:45
Speaker
But I don't know, it's something new. It's something new I've been exploring. And if someone's willing to do it and then they feel powerful enough in their ability to clear, or if they feel like they have a good connection with maybe Archangel Michael or something like that, then I highly recommend it. Yeah. Or if you try to do it and you feel like you aren't sure or you come across something that you didn't know what to do with, you know, just give me a call. Yeah, but it's good stuff.
00:24:12
Speaker
So did you connect that though? Because typically like with shadow work, right? Like you, you get triggered or some things or some emotion that shows up that. Well, so the, the thing is, is so you have your trigger already before you go into that space. So, um, let's say it's financial stuff. Uh, maybe you're struggling financially. So you want to go into the shadow self space around finances.
00:24:36
Speaker
So you do that, and you make that your intention. You're like, whatever it is, I need to go in and see what I see, right? And so just show me. So in a way, it's almost like the shadow self, Akash, if you want to look at that way, right? But it's the dark side of a lot of that. With the Akashic Records, it's always felt very positive to me, even if I'm seeing a past life experience or
00:24:57
Speaker
Uh something that needs to be healed. It still feels very positive This is like the underworld of that if that makes sense. I
Evil as a Learning Tool
00:25:05
Speaker
don't know how else to describe it Well, they're evil, right? I mean like there is I don't know whatever you want to call it satan luciferian type, you know energy in the world Well, I mean that is true Yeah, i'm not saying that you're caring with you No, no, no, it's not that at all though because we all have the shadow self space Right. Yeah, so it's
00:25:28
Speaker
And we all have, like we were saying earlier, that spectrum. And we all have a direction in which we're trying to go. So if you're looking at the law of one, you and I are on the positive path of ascension. So we're aiming more towards that zero of positivity, heading in the zero direction. In the example I used earlier, heading that direction, trying to be more and more loving, more and more in integrity, more and more just
00:25:55
Speaker
We're trying to be good people, whatever that means to us. And then on the other side is the more negative or the self-serving. So that would be someone aiming more towards the 10. So we all have a direction in which we're going and it's a spectrum. But we all have that shadow self-space. And I only know what I've experienced in it. Maybe there are others who call it something else. I'm not sure.
00:26:20
Speaker
But when I asked to enter into that shadow self space from what Amy had mentioned to me, that's what I saw and that's what I experienced. And it's what I continue to experience when I work with my clients. There have been a few people where I go in and I don't really see anything negative and it's just, you know, it doesn't feel real dark. Sometimes I'll even see like this, this beautiful white tree reminds me of that tree in Lord of the Rings. I forget what they call it, but in that one city, do you know what I'm talking about?
00:26:50
Speaker
that white tree. I don't even remember, it's been so long since I've seen it, but it reminds me of that. And I've seen that twice now in two different people.
00:26:58
Speaker
Um, and I thought that was really interesting. I've seen other things where it's like, it's almost like there's a tube or something that gets pulled in in the center of that room, whatever that shadow self space is. It's a tube and it doesn't feel like it's a good thing. It doesn't feel like it's supposed to be there. So sometimes I'll leave, I need to move that out as well and to clear that. And that's usually a little bit of a thing to do. It doesn't come out easily, but I've seen that in maybe four people.
00:27:27
Speaker
I don't know what it is exactly. I haven't explored it enough, but it's always interesting and it's different every time. And when I work with the same person, if it's a different topic, I'll see different things. Well, interesting. And for those that are listening, Amy is Amy Major. She's a
00:27:57
Speaker
call her psychic medium, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Amongst other things. Yeah. Okay. And she, she has a website and she, you guys can find her there, but she has the ability to see certain things as the gym. So the visualization technique, um, which I think is offering a course right now, um, on her website, um, that the, the art of visualization, but
Soul Embodiment and True Self
00:28:23
Speaker
it is a practice that you could apply
00:28:27
Speaker
in your work, you know, or go see someone like Jen to help take a look at that. But typically like shadow work is like a union psychology type thing. It's funny too. He also, I wanted to share this at the end, but since you brought up the trees, have you ever heard of the law of assent and descent? I don't think I've heard it put like that. So
00:28:53
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Carl Jung said that no tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell. Okay, yeah. That makes sense. The symbology of sacred geometry, the tree of life. The worst things that you've dealt with or the challenges, they allow you to ascend higher. So looking at life through that prison I think is healthy, especially as we talk about shadow of work
00:29:22
Speaker
in the context of awakening to the matrix and the second matrix that could be a, what, pit stop? A little hang up on the road to that. But yeah. Well, let me ask you, okay, so we discussed maybe some of the things to look at. So if you're awakening or you feel like you have awakened,
00:29:52
Speaker
I think it's always good to wonder to yourself, did you really awaken completely? Or are you on a second matrix? Are you trying to build a foundation on something that still needs to be undone and crumbled? Or how do you move through some of this? So we've already discussed about checking your ego and looking at the shadow self and doing some deep healing.
00:30:21
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coming more and more towards truth as best as you can, what do you think are some red flags that somebody might be on a second matrix? Well, I was gonna say like if you're not questioning like mainstream media, for example, you know, you just
00:30:51
Speaker
You allow other people to tell you how to live without being more autonomous and free. You give your power to other people. I think you got to be careful of that. You'll see it with people. I think it's good to be around people that question things, you know, what is real? So making sure that you are being mindful of your habits, you know, where you're getting information.
00:31:21
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how you're consuming information. You do have to be very discerning about that. If you're not careful, you can get, I think you can get sucked back in too. Yeah, that's a good point. You know you're not careful.
00:31:39
Speaker
but is there anything in particular? I would also say too, it's not, you know, for someone who might call themselves awakened or something like that, you know, you're not, you're also not looking down on people that are not there. It's not about judging other people and looking down on them. You know, I have been that person, right? Where it's like, what do you mean? There's bad actors in the world, like.
00:32:06
Speaker
It's very, very easy, right? Like, how would you know? It's like, are you familiar with Joharian Lindo? That concept in psychology where it's like, you know, there's things that I know about you that you don't know because I'm looking at you. You just, I'm seeing it from another perspective, right? Things that I know about me that no one else knows, but there's some things that none of us know. And then there's some, you know, there's just,
00:32:34
Speaker
So slowly but surely, I think when you're, you're seeking truth for people and you are working on yourself, you're trying to get into greater alignment with, uh, with yourself. So Gunther calls it soul embodiment. I will call it soul alignment, but it's integrating into your life. You know, your fullest expression of who you are and what you're here to do in this time and place.
00:33:01
Speaker
You're not trying to escape anything. I think that's also part of the second matrix, is you're avoiding working on yourself and finding another thing to cling to. Yes. I believe yes. So in some sense, it's like spiritual bypassing. So you're trading one matrix for another.
00:33:22
Speaker
Yeah, gosh, there's so much truth in that. As I sit here and think about this, because this is a new idea for me, this idea of the second matrix, as I process
Ego Reduction and Third Matrix
00:33:32
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through it with you, I just think the less ego we have about needing to be right or wrong about something, I think the less likely we're going to stick someplace in another matrix. It's going to be more of an unfolding of truth.
00:33:49
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and awakening because that doesn't normally happen overnight. But maybe it's just as we're stepping through and we're awakening and we're more and more open and aware of possibilities and what could be truth versus what we now know is not truth that we thought was truth in the past. I think then we don't get sticky. We don't get stuck in a matrix. We allow the unfolding to happen much more easily. What do you think?
00:34:22
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I mean, yes, in the sense of you, I think you have to be humble. You have to have humility and to be aware that, okay, we, we oversimplify things like this is good or this is bad. Um, you know, or I'm good, you're evil. Well, evil exists for a reason. God created evil too. It's part of the divine. Yeah. We don't look at it like that.
00:34:52
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But how would you know it was good if you didn't know it was bad? Well, you know, and it's funny, too, because I do clear entities a lot from people. And I've definitely had people say there's no such thing as evil. There's no such thing as dark entities. Or, you know, they just call them playful and mischievous. And I'm like, well, I think it's beyond playful and mischievous. Like this stuff, they really do mean harm sometimes.
00:35:21
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But how you clear it or how you think about that being who is trying to cause harm makes all the difference, right? I still see them as they're another being, they're another me, but in a different form. It's just, but I also have to advocate for myself or my client, you know, what's okay? Because, you know, for whatever reason and however we created that in our experience,
00:35:48
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there's still something to overcome there or to move past or to transcend, whether it's the being itself or how to clear the being and step into our power. There's always a lesson there, right? There's a reason why these things show up in our lives, these deep, dark things. But what's interesting is so many times, because I tend to clear these things,
00:36:12
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There's a judgment there because of the fear. And I think the less we fear and the more we love, no matter what it is, the less of the matrix we're going to be standing on or standing within. It feels like we can then transcend the matrix. We can transcend all of the judgment, all the pain, the fear, the anger, the frustration, all of it.
00:36:41
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and really come into love.
Love's Transcendent Role
00:36:43
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And the more I'm on this path, the more I realize just how important just love is. Even when you have to stand up to something, even when you have to overcome, even when it's not comfortable or not righteous, right? To just love. Well, it's powerful. It is, it is. And love does not mean being a doormat.
00:37:09
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I think we ought to do a whole nother talk on that. Yeah, I think it gets a bad rap with that, you know, or people think it's some kind of passive thing. I would say it demands that you stand up and have courage in times of need, like perhaps now. Talk about the brave journey within. How do you manifest that in your life? You know, you can get frustrated and hopeless and
00:37:37
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complain about so many different things in the world, but what are you doing to actually help it? And what does that look like? Because if you are doing the internal work, you are working on yourself, you will start to create that change. It will ripple out from you. And that's really why you would even embark on shadow work is the good that you can do.
00:38:03
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But it's very empowering and it's very loving. Anything that leads you to fear and manipulation and control, well, that's a good litmus test, Jen. Right? I think if something is being prone at you and in a sense that's conjuring fear and using fear to manipulate you or to control you. Well,
Facing Fears and Victim Consciousness
00:38:24
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you know, it's funny. I think the first thing I would say is don't be afraid to acknowledge your fear. We all have fear.
00:38:30
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Well, I would say the vast majority of us, maybe there's a few out there who don't, not to speak in absolutes, but generally we all have fear. We all have things that we're afraid of and there is light and dark or positive, negative, good and evil, however you want to look at it. We do live in duality, but the goal is to overcome that or to transcend duality into more of a oneness state, that realization that we are all
00:38:59
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of the one, we are that. But to do so within duality at the same time, that's hard. And there are traps within traps within traps. And you can look at it in a way of being the victim to it, or you can look at it in a way of becoming the hero within it. And part of the journey here, that brave journey within, is realizing how you can become the hero of your own life. But it's not about
00:39:30
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the evil, it's about... So are you familiar with the hero's journey, Jim? Yeah. Okay. So real quickly, and I think we've talked about it on here before, but just- Yeah, we went through it last episode. Okay. Yeah, I don't remember what all we talk about because we're just off the cuff. We don't necessarily have a plan. So I don't remember what all we say, but with the hero's journey, you start off on that adventure, right? You're like, oh, I'm being called. I'm going to go. I'm going to do this amazing thing.
00:39:58
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But it's an initiation and you cannot ascend without initiation. The ascension process is ascending through the darkness. You have to have the dark night of the soul. You have to have that challenge. A lot of people walk away from the challenge because there's so much fear. So what I realize with this hero's journey is
00:40:22
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We have to face darkness. The darkness that's coming at us from externally, there's always something. We become a victim in some way. That's the whole point. We are meant to feel like a victim because we're meant to transcend the victim consciousness. But you can't transcend the victim consciousness without being taken to your limit. You have to go through this experience, this initiation of the dark night of the soul, of evil working against you. It's like a part of the whole concept.
00:40:52
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And then you go through all these tests, you learn along the way, you learn about love and forgiveness or how to navigate it and whatever process you're in within that journey. And then you start to come up the other side.
00:41:09
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And as you're coming up and you're going more towards the top, you weren't done yet though, but you can feel the energy shifting. You're like, okay, I think I'm there. I'm getting there. Is it over yet? I don't know. The worst feels like it's behind me, but you keep getting slammed and things keep happening because it's trying to make you fail. That's the nature of the game, right? So it does feel like you are working against some other force.
Hero's Journey in Awakening
00:41:37
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It's kind of meant to.
00:41:40
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because you need to transcend it. And the whole point is on the spiritual journey is that you transcend that duality and you come into love no matter what's going on. And you work your way up there, but at the same time, not coming out of your own integrity. We're still working, you and I, on our journeys. We're still working towards that zero of totally in integrity and positivity and love of others and moving in that service to others direction.
00:42:10
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So all that's happening at the same time and all that's getting tested on that hero's journey, you're getting tested all over the place.
00:42:18
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And you're gonna fail or feel like you're failing a few times. That's the whole point. It's not meant to be easy. It's actually meant to feel very difficult. And you come out the other side and then you finally break through and then you come back to the space of the mundane. Okay, well, that's over. Thank God that's over, right? And then supposedly, you know, the idea is you're supposed to then teach it. So you've been through all this for a reason. Now you need to show others because we all have to go through those journeys. We don't escape.
00:42:47
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this. We have to go through it. So, you know, all of this is about that, ultimately. And David Wilcock, I know some people like him, some people don't. I
00:43:01
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He has been so great for me in so many ways because I will download things and I will get information and I'll either be a little bit uncertain about it because I'm not read at other places or maybe I just need more information, like I got some pieces but I didn't get it all. And then almost every time that happens, I'll then listen to him and he has the answer to that question or something, or he's saying something about what I'm processing or what I'm getting.
00:43:29
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and or what I'm experiencing in my life. There's always been this weird synchronicity with that. And, and he's the one who introduced me to the law of one. So and I've been processing this whole thing about the hero's journey. And I think it's a big part of what I need to move into teaching more of and to put it into a framework. And then he's talking about the hero's journey a lot lately. So I was just like, wow, okay, you know, synchrony again,
00:43:54
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Okay. Well, I think there's a lot- Yeah, so anybody interested in any of this, go to his site on his YouTube page and he has some really great lives. They're like three hours long, but they're really great. So I would say that evil in some sense is the catalyst, right, for that journey, right? Like that propels, they're allowed you to propel into that role.
00:44:21
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And then, you know, that's part of it, but that has to exist. Well, you know, one of the things that my guides have said is that the, the bigger the catalyst, basically the more difficult your situation is, the more you feel like you're going to die or you're not going to make it, or you're going to fail, or there's no way out. Like the bigger that is.
00:44:45
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As you work through it, the further it can catapult you. The whole point is though, it's like not to give up. It's not to turn away from the challenge. It's to go through it. You got to walk through that dark cave and it's scary and it's going to beat you up and it's not going to feel good, but it's a part of the process in your soul's evolution. So it's just a part of it. Are you familiar with the rain technique? Have you ever heard of that?
00:45:13
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No, I don't think so. I think Kara Brock coined the term, but it's something used, I guess, in mindfulness. She's a meditation teacher. She's big on radical acceptance and compassion and things like that. But the brain technique is to recognize, allow, investigate,
00:45:40
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And then now it's nurture, but I, what I learned about it, I thought it was not identify, but it's like when you are becoming aware of, uh, challenges in your life. And I think it's a good way to approach them, you know, where you're talking about not running away.
00:45:55
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We all have a tendency when something is stressful and unpleasant and, you know, to avoid it and to not deal with it or to bury it, right? Suppress those types of things, but it's not helpful, right? Like ultimately that will hinder your growth versus, okay, breathing into it. Like, okay, let me.
00:46:15
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work through this challenge. It is a challenge. It's clearly a lesson. Like, it's impacting me. It's something I have to deal with. Like, how can I resolve it? You know, if you can do that in a more balanced way, you know, one that doesn't throw you into panic and, you know, I want to get out of here. This place is terrible. It's tough. You know, which is also kind of normal in a sense, right? Like,
00:46:40
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It's not bad that you feel that like, but it's because you feel that that you need to work on it. Like, okay, this is why I'm feeling this way about this, whatever it is in my life, the situation. How can I work on it? And if you can't do it on your own, go get help. There's plenty of people that you can work with, um, that are out there, um, some better than others, but you know, go, don't be afraid to go get help. I get, uh,
00:47:11
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What was I hearing? You know, Socrates mentor, Plato, Plato mentor, Aristotle, right? Like the great minds in the world. Like everyone has a teacher, you know, like don't be afraid to reach out and to get help with certain things if you're overwhelmed. Well, that's a part of the hero's journey too. There are always way showers. There are people who give you advice. It could be loved ones or teachers or things like that, but there are people along the way
00:47:40
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that kind of help encourage you to keep going or to give you a key, one of the keys to the puzzle. And if anybody feels like they're going through this, we all go through things like this.
Persistence in Spiritual Evolution
00:47:52
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But what I would want to say is don't give up. Right when you feel like you just need to give up, you're like right there. And it doesn't mean that the darkness will be over immediately, but it just means that
00:48:07
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The answer is like as soon as you give up trying to be in resistance or trying to force something and you just surrender to that process and open to whatever needs to come through and not be afraid of the difficulty and step through that darkness. It's like suddenly things start to shift and you'll start feeling the answers are coming and
00:48:34
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you're navigating maybe there's a little maybe you aren't out of the cave yet but there are some extra little light switches you can turn on you know and you're starting to find your way through it and don't be afraid of it face those fears face those pain points and dive in figure out what's going on and you know what i'm just thinking like why are we going so deep into this yeah because we've talked about some of this before
00:49:00
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But I think that awakening process or realizing that maybe you're on a second matrix, it's gonna be painful because then you might feel like, oh my gosh, I already thought I went through all of this, now I'm realizing I wasn't, or I didn't, or I didn't do it completely, or there was more to understand and I got thrown off into left field somewhere and got sidetracked and I was not awakening. And I think that there's so many
00:49:29
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positive things that we can gain from Looking at that journey in through the lens of the hero's journey that awakening process because it can be really dark and difficult well Yes, right. It looks like the world gonna end You know before it doesn't Yeah Right. Well, we gotta we gotta fight our Darth Vader, right? Yeah
00:49:58
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We need to be the Luke Skywalker. Yeah. But he, you know, I think collectively, we're all going through this now.
Collective Awakening and Inner Work
00:50:11
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So this is resonating, you know, when we hear certain things, are you here?
00:50:17
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You know, about the hero journey, talking about it, you know, just seeing the world in the state that it's in right now, how can you, it takes courage, right? Because there is fear to take action and sort of stand up and lead. It's going to take a lot of people, or at least a percentage of people to really push forth, right? The ones that are awake to make that happen, because otherwise, you know, we're just going to accept what it is and it's not good enough.
00:50:49
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true. Well, I hope we all wake up to whatever this is soon. You know, I think about the energy shifting, right? We just on the heels of this solar eclipse. You know, there was no rapture. We're still here. Right. I was telling Jim earlier that I was on Facebook and I saw someone mark themselves, mark themselves safe from rapture. And I was like, Oh, that's really funny. That cracked me up.
00:51:20
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Well, we're all here. We're all okay. So what's next, Jim? What is next? That's a good question. I wish I knew more about astrology. We're talking about the Pluto transit and whatnot. There's definitely something to that. Things are shifting, right? Clearly.
00:51:45
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What is next? I wish I knew. I'm just kind of excited for things to happen. I think it's going to get a little while. I'm expecting that, I guess. Although I often talk about non-attachment outcome. There's no necessarily expectation. I guess my goal is to really do my own inner work.
00:52:08
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And this is what I would advocate for, do your own inner work so that you are happy, healthy, well, that you have a loving heart, that you're doing loving things for yourself and that you are sharing that with the loved ones around you and the people that you encounter on your day to day. I think if you're doing that, then you are contributing positive energy to this planet and the shift.
00:52:33
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Absolutely. That's how I would frame that. I don't know if I have more to add other than that. Be who you are. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I love it. Till next time. Sounds good. Thank you guys. All right. Thank you very much. And
00:53:00
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