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Episode 13: CIA & Remote Viewing
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In this episode Jim and Jenn discuss some of the history of the CIA's Stargate/Grill Flame Program during the Cold War, and the concepts & techniques of Remote Viewing and Extra Sensory Perception (ESP). It's so fun!
Welcome to the Brave Journey Within with Jim and Jenn! This show is about the spiritual journey and all of the challenges, healing and expansion along the way. Join us as we bravely explore topics of metaphysics, spirituality, healing, mindfulness, and ascension. We will be sharing our experiences and wisdom, as well as diving deeply into various topics so that you can better understand your own journey. Whether you are just starting out or have been on the spiritual path for many years, this show is a space for you to learn, grow, and be inspired.
Resources mentioned during the podcast:
The Shawn Ryan Podcast with Joe McMoneagle: https://youtu.be/XRTon6qgVws?si=tJdudeWBJduLaiG0
Hemi-Sync Gateway Experience: https://hemi-sync.com/product-category/by-genre/gateway-experience/
Spotify Hemi-Sync: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0M2qrLJqvSjvJSPU2DKrfW?si=njocC6ZbSX-At0r5lsc47w
John Vivanco: https://hemispheres.institute/
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To learn more about Jenn: https://jenn-palmer.com/
Jenn Palmer YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JennPalmerHealer/
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Journey Mindfulness YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLu7Bfk-3-ZKmypgRt2OxMw
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Introduction and Spiritual Journey
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Welcome to the Brave Journey Within with Jim and Jen. This show is about the spiritual journey and all of the challenges, healing, wisdom, and consciousness expansion experienced along the way.
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Welcome to another edition of The Brave Journey Within with Jim and Jen.
Exploration of Remote Viewing
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And today's episode, we're going to dive into the topic of remote viewing. And if you're not familiar, the CIA's remote viewing project and some of the skills involved in that and
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our experiences, but by our minor with Jen, Jen has her own unique skill set that she's going to get into. But we'll dive in now. Yeah, you know, I love this. And I love remote viewing. And the first thing we got to do is probably describe what remote viewing even is.
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And so a lot of people, when they think remote viewing, because it has the word viewing in it, that it's only a visual experience. Like you're tuning into something and then you're able to see things as if you were there. It's really all the spiritual gifts, the clairvoyance, the claircognizance, clairaudience, clairsentience, all of it. It's just using all of those skills in this technique called remote viewing. And it's a very specific technique.
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Jen, would you mind just kind of talking about the the scenes for people that are not familiar with those?
Understanding Clair Abilities
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So clairvoyance is it's a clear seeing. It's being able to see visions or pictures of things in your mind. Sometimes people will have little almost like a film that plays in their mind. They'll see images, things like that. Or maybe they'll see colors and things. That's clairvoyance. Clair audience is hearing. You're able to hear.
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So you might hear your guides or angels or there might be disembodied spirits, things like that, and you might be able to hear them where other people couldn't. So that's clear audience. Clear cognizance is, it's clear knowing. It's, you don't know how you know something, but you know it. It just drops into your awareness and then you're suddenly aware of X, Y, and Z.
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clairsentience is feeling, it's feeling the things. So if somebody's having, I don't know, maybe a loved one comes to visit and they pass away with a heart attack, you might feel pain in your heart or something, or you might just suddenly know through the feeling sensation that there was a physical thing with the heart. But they can also encompass emotions. Now, some people call that clarempathy
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So there's some different terminology here and there depending on what you're trying to talk about, but it's really it's clairsentience. There's also other ones like taste and smell, clairgustins, clairsense. So there's a lot of different terminology out there, but it's just basically it's your spiritual senses of seeing, hearing, knowing, feeling, smelling, tasting.
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I do want to add, these are all things that we all have. Yes, we really do. Sometimes people more easily access it than others. I think as children, we're more open to it. But even as children, some children are more open automatically than others. But we can learn it at any time.
Art and History of Remote Viewing
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I'm always, I love it. But when people come to me and they say, well, you're probably not going to believe me.
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But I'm like, try me. I walked into the room. My grandfather had passed away and that was his smoking room. And I walked in and there was someone was smoking a cigar and I smelled it. It was the same cigar. And, you know, these are not people that would ever think of it in that way, but that is, you know, coming across something where you tap into that. It's interesting.
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Yeah, very true. And so many people see visions in their mind's eye. They just see it all the time and they think everybody sees it. And I'm like, no, that's actually, that's your spiritual gift. You're really able to see visions. And we can all have all of the gifts. We can work on all of it, but some come more naturally than others. So some people might be really visual and they might have a harder time with the clairsentience or vice versa. But you can really work on all of it.
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Well, so we all have certain gifts and we can cultivate them, which is super fascinating. And how, or the reason why we're even talking about this today is because a couple of weeks ago I went to the American Visionary Art Museum in Baltimore.
CIA's Stargate Program
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And we walk in and I am no artist, although I try to appreciate art.
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and lo and behold in the atrium of this building which is constructed
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like a heart, like it's in the shape of a heart, which you don't necessarily know when you're in there. I got some insider info on that. But in the atrium, there's this, you know, wonderful Icarus sculpture, and there's this galactic art of all kinds of interesting things. And the atrium that has the name of Inghos Mon, it's his artwork.
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And I look at it, I don't know, dumbfounded, because I know who Ingo Swan is.
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And the people that are with me or artists were like, who the heck is Ingo Swan? And thank goodness there was a plaque where they could read about it in him. But he was a remote viewer in the CIA's, well, Stargate program, which was our country's basically psychic spies during the Cold War. So it was a project.
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Most people have seen the movie Ghostbusters, right? Where they're the beginning of the movie, they're doing testing.
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with Bill Murray and he sat from the guy. With their studying ESP, extra sensory perception. Well, that actually happened and they were studying it at the Stanford Research Institute and they were studying this phenomenon and lo and behold, like many things, the CI goes, well, hey,
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kind of what you got going on over here. And so they started this remote viewing program. So it got adopted from academia into the intelligence agencies. And they were taking guys from the army who lived in some way and they trained them to become remote viewers.
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And they saw some pretty interesting things, and it's a very fascinating story. But if you go to Baltimore, Ingo Swan has a bunch of galactic art in the atrium of the heart. I totally need to go see that. I had no idea about that. It's fascinating. Well, I'm curious.
Learning and Practicing Remote Viewing
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You know, I took a remote viewing class from John Vivanko, and so if any of you are interested in taking a class, I highly recommend looking up John Vivanko, V-I-V-A-N-C-O, and taking a class from him. He is absolutely amazing, and
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such a great class, and I would do it all over again if I had the time right now. I just loved it. But he really goes into his experience, because he also did some government work through all of that. And as you can imagine, there are some people that they don't want to be spied on. They don't want that information getting out. So it sounded like it was kind of dangerous. But yeah, not something I would necessarily want to do. But it's a fascinating topic.
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And, uh, but it's very in depth. So I know Jim, you know, you have been coming to a development group that I run and for a while we were really focusing on what they call image streaming. I don't teach.
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this at all, but I do practice the image streaming with my people because it's such a useful practice and it really helps you get out of your ego with it. So we would put a number, assign a number, a random number to a video that we were remote viewing or trying to get information about.
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And we would, you guys would have no idea what the topic was. It could be just about anything. And I would have, yeah, you would have no idea or a video or whatever. I might've done a few pictures too.
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I like videos because there were so much more for you to tune into and pick up on. And so we would do that, and we would have a lot of fun. And you guys all did really well. And you all got different things, but you did really well. And what was wonderful is you had no idea what it could be about. So it really helped you get out of your ego and just get the data and understand that you were just trying to get information and not put a story to it. And when you're doing intuitive work, that's so important.
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And so it was a blast. And then, you know, when we will watch the video or look at the picture and look at what we got right or wrong and try to assess, did we really feel like we were connected to the actual data when we were getting those pieces of information or did it feel like we were off key somehow? And so it's really good at helping us hone our skills.
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I remember, I can't remember how you described it, but there was, you know, direct hits and there were things that were like just off, like almost like a ring, like you're throwing a dart, like you're, or you would describe something, um, you know, that was like, wow. Okay. I didn't get it, but I got really close or there was water or I remember there was one video. I can't remember if it's in Nepal or somewhere. There's like, uh,
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a bus that's going under a waterfall. One of the things I got was an image of Tony the tiger from like Frosted Flakes. And I'm like, and then we watched the video and I'm like, what the heck was that have to do with anything? And I'm just like, but then as I'm looking at the video, it says the name of the bus was Tiger Tours.
00:11:13
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Like, oh, I guess spirit was connecting in whatever way that you would understand. Well, that's the funny thing about remote viewing is it's also, it's more connected to your psychic abilities than getting messages from your guides because you're directly tuning into a thing or an experience or a person.
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and you're trying to get direct data from the thing, as opposed to being like, hey, guides, what you got for me about this thing? It's all right thing, what do you have for me? What can I get about the thing directly? So it's a little bit of a different practice. For me, I can tune in and channel my guides and get information all the time, but tuning directly into a thing is a lot harder for me for some reason, but I do, and practice really makes it really, it helps a lot.
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So it's a psychic exercise. How would you define sort of remote viewing? I mean, I have a definition in my own head that I can share, but how would you? So remote viewing would be like, okay, I have this cup. Right. And I want you to tell me everything you can about this cup, but you have no idea what this cup is. It just, it, there's a number that represented. Okay. And.
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that number could represent a mountain, it could represent a person, it could be anything, but you have no idea. So you're tuning into that number, and then you're trying to get whatever information you can. But you're not saying, hey, guides, what can you tell me about this number? It's kind of cheating, really. What you're trying to do is you're trying to connect directly to the energy of this cup, what that number is representing about this thing. You're connecting directly to it, and you're
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just tuning into that number and you're trying to get the information directly from that number and you're allowing it to come through your subconscious and into your consciousness and so that you can write it down or make notes or whatever and get the idea of what this could be.
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So remote viewing really is, it's more like your psychic connection to that thing. And you can merge with things, you can get information in lots of different ways, but it's just really about the connection to what that number represents instead of divine guidance, if that makes sense.
00:13:49
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Everything is energy, and you're tuning into a number that's connected to that energy, and then you're tuning into it and describing it in some way. Or my understanding, at least in my training, is your consciousness, you're expanding your consciousness to go beyond the physical body.
00:14:09
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and to physically or without your body spy on secret Soviet installations that you can't physically get to. But not bad. We're going to have people knocking on our door, Jim. Not bad. Well, you know, one of the more famous examples is, you know, the guy found the hunt for Red October.
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Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. I've watched some documentaries and there's different things out there. In fact, you had recommended one that was like six hours long that I only watched maybe the first 20 minutes of. I have to watch that. Do you want to talk about that real quickly? Because that was really interesting. Yeah. There's a guy who has a podcast named Sean Ryan. It's the Sean Ryan podcast. And he had on a guy named Joe McMonigle, who was remote viewer 001.
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And I had heard his name in different things.
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Um, he had an extraordinary hit rate. Um, he was very skilled. Um, and he sort of details his time, like being a, uh, well in the army and then through the development of this program being selected, uh, enrolled in this CIA out. And.
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He's being interviewed by this former Navy SEAL, Sean Ryan, who's just, it was mind blowing and details, you know, what they were doing, how, you know, they came to do what he did. And he had like an impeccable memory.
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So he could go into places that you just can never get access to and in vivid detail, write out like diagrams and sketches of God knows what devices, you know, things like that. Or if they were looking for a submarine.
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you know, where's the sub and he could locate it and tell them with pretty high accuracy where it was. And when he, he laughed about it, he's like, well, as I was remote viewing, like a nuclear sub has all this energy. So I would just like look at the globe, see where all this energy was and then I could point it like pretty easily. Like it was an easy skill, um, which is just kind of funny. Um, it was another one.
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There was a Soviet bomber that went down in Africa and they had all these satellites aimed at it and they couldn't find it because it was covered by the jungle. And the remote viewers were like, this is where it is. And so there was this race to get to the bomber. And I can't remember why, what it was carrying or why it was so important. But essentially the US got to the wreckage before the Soviets. That was the big deal.
00:17:13
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And in an interview with Jimmy Carter, who was president at the time, he sort of slips up and they're like, how did you find this plane? And he's like, well, psych guys found it for us. I think we had the chance to be able to program after that.
Techniques for Consciousness Expansion
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That's funny. Well, but that was just a little bit about that. Like, you know, his experience and how
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A lot of it goes, you know, we talk about this manual consciousness, but learning how to meditate and tune into your energy of your body and your mind and your consciousness and go beyond your physical body and into your super conscious mind. One of the things that we did in the class is we really had a lot of practice in getting more into a theta state.
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And so sometimes you can listen to binaural beats. So we all had our earphones on, and we were listening to binaural beats getting into theta. And then they would have us practice. I think there were six different symbols. It's been a couple of years since I took the class. But I think there were six different symbols. And you would just practice them so that it was getting ingrained. And they were really simple symbols.
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they would get ingrained into your subconscious so that when you start tuning into a number, symbols will start coming to you. And then you can immediately write down the symbols and then tune into each symbol. So let's say there was like a whale in water. You might get the symbol of a subject and you might get the symbol of water.
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And then you can tune into the subject symbol and then you could tune into the water symbol. And because both of those things will give you different information. And so one reading, looking into one number when you're in the class could take, well, me, it could take hours. I'm sure John and or whoever else is really professional at it could do it really quickly. But, you know, you do think you do all that, you get as much information as you can and you draw pictures like you're really diving into what this data is showing you.
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And so it's very deep and very profound what can come through and what you end up coming up with. It's just fascinating. One time he did a homework and I was getting, I kept getting like a circular motion. I drew a circle and I would draw arrows, like a circular motion. And I just kept getting that. So I just kept drawing it, right?
00:19:52
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And then I would get other things and moving fast, you know, just different things. Um, I kept getting like the word circular. I think it was, and just, you know, anything about circles and energy, a lot of energy. I just kept getting that. And then I suddenly got stopped. And so I wrote that down and I turned in the homework. He was like, Oh my gosh, you nailed it. And, uh, it was a tornado. It was a really big tornado and it,
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was wiping all kinds of things out and moving, moving, moving. And then it just stopped and stood still. And so that was a part of the news story, was it that it stopped and then just. There it was. And so I just that was so fascinating. And one of the things that they and I was really good at this in the beginning of the class, I was so good, I was nailing it. And one of the things that they say is, you know, a lot of people who are good at this, they're going to be really good.
00:20:46
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then their ego is going to get in the way and then they're going to really be bad at it for a while and you have to keep practicing until your ego you work through all that and then you're good again at it and so yeah that was that was you know kind of rough on the ego there when you suddenly aren't getting any of it right and you were getting it all right before I was like I don't know I wonder if they're like doing that on purpose to just crush our ego and they're like
00:21:11
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running some sort of energy to make us not good at it anymore. I don't know, but it was fun. And really- Did they talk about how to combat that? Practice. You just keep working through it. You ignore that you're wrong and you keep practicing and you keep trying to tune in. You keep trying to align and working the skills, working your subconscious and getting into theta. It's almost like you're breaking down old bad habits.
00:21:39
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and building the new ones. And so it's almost like you have to learn a whole new way to really get the data. And, you know, when you're really good at your ego is like, man, I'm good. And then you're not. That's interesting how to work with that. Because essentially, with your consciousness, you're trying to like expand beyond that, right? Beyond your egoic mind and
00:22:09
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where you have ideas and preconceived notions about things or you're trying to interpret stuff that, you know, you could be getting a hit and have no idea what it means. And, you know, you're just sort of expected to write it down and see what happens. Well, you, I guess the remote viewers had like handlers. So they were like, they might have known something about the target and then, or kind of distilling the information that was coming through is my understanding.
00:22:38
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Yeah, yeah. And one of the things John had said is you want to be really careful who you allow to do that with you because you can remove you some scary things. And that's not always, that's not always good. He had some good stories about things that he was asked of you and it just wasn't positive. And so yeah, so in his class, he only does really positive experiences. And it was just
00:23:04
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I don't want to go too much into detail about what he had us view in case someone who's listening wants to take his course. I think I remember him saying that he used different ones in different classes so that people who took it a second time wouldn't have the same experience, but he does reuse them from what I remember. So yeah, I don't want to give it away too much, but yeah.
00:23:30
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I think the biggest thing with remote viewing or even just being intuitive in general is you want to be in a receiving state and you want to allow your subconscious to bring the information through without thinking about it. You just want to have it flow. You want to be the conduit for the information to come through. But the moment we start trying to analyze what we're getting
00:23:52
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we're out of that space and now we're more into our conscious awareness and analyzing instead of receiving data. So as best as you can, you stay in the receiving mode and you allow it to come through and then you're just consciously aware of, okay, I'm feeling this thing in my body, write that down. So you're not really processing, you're just an awareness kind of state. So that's really the goal.
00:24:22
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When I first was kind of practicing with it, I didn't, I don't recall having a specific type process, but there is training and funny enough, it involves binaural beats. Um, that's part of the training process because it helps, um,
00:24:50
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Synchronize the hemispheres in your brain and there was a process where you go through this protocol and you learn certain certain skills to Start exploring the outer limits of your consciousness and it's like level you know one level two level three and it involves energy and meditating a certain way to cultivate your energy in a way that you can work with it and travel and
00:25:20
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and stuff like that, which I did not know. I did not know how they did that. Is that something that your class got into? What specifically? Describe that more specifically. So specifically, the remote viewers that were operating out of Fort Meade,
00:25:43
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would travel down to the Monroe Institute. And there's a place where they hemisync is one of the terms, but there's like the gateway process where it's a systematic training of your mind and your consciousness and how to open up. And there's a very specific protocol on how to do that. Yeah, yeah. No, he just had us listen to binaural beats. He didn't really go from what I remember too deeply into that.
00:26:10
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But it's funny that you mentioned the Monroe Institute. When I first woke up and started becoming aware of all of this, that was the first thing I read was a book about that. So fascinating. Yeah, no, I'm going to have no idea. We should take a trip. Who knew? Right?
00:26:34
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Which is, oh, here's one. I didn't know. It's, I think it's in Virginia Beach. Isn't that also where Edgar Cayce's Institute is? If I remember right, I don't think it's Virginia Beach, but I might be wrong again. It's been a while since I've read the book and I haven't really looked into going in there since then. But, uh, yeah, Edgar Cayce is in Virginia Beach, but I think the Monroe Institute. I don't think it's Virginia Beach. I can't remember where exactly, but I don't think so. I don't know for sure.
00:27:04
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Well, that's where Joe McMonigal said he was training. And now I think he is an instructor there, but the use of binaural beats to access higher consciousness. Yeah. I remember in the book I was reading, they were talking about how they would actually go into the future and see future events and then be able to bring that back. And they would even have partners and they would go and see the same events. So yeah.
00:27:34
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That's just, I don't know, fascinating Jim. That's kind of where I'm at in the program is you go to a place where time, like we're in time space, but you transcend time space.
Transcending Time-Space with Consciousness
00:27:49
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Right. With your consciousness, which might blow your mind if you're hearing that for the first time. Right. I know. I know. Cause supposedly it's all happening about the same time anyway. So. Yeah.
00:28:03
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It's very hard to wrap your head around. It really is. But that's definitely where that process takes you. It's happening now, you know, with hypnotherapy and hypnotists, not just, I guess the idea of reincarnation, which most people believe in, by the way. It's curiosity almost, like, I can look into past life.
00:28:33
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We could also look at a future life. You could do future life progressions, you know, and so there's, which is, I think maybe even more scary for people. Probably because most people want to be done. They're like, I'm done. This is my final run of coming back. Wait, this keeps happening. Yeah, I don't know. I've had those few thoughts a few times.
00:28:59
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One of the things when I started meditating or, um, I think these things would happen where I could travel into different periods of time. And I was trying to figure out like, what, what is going on? Like, how can that, how can I do that? How can you travel into and be in this moment? Like you're there, like literally observing everything in vivid detail and, um, eventually, you know,
00:29:28
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learning more about consciousness and why that could happen and how it could be helpful for people to heal from different things or to understand the fact that you can do that. You know, you can travel to certain places in time or back in time or I wouldn't
00:29:53
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I don't know. I would say like I have this high skill level with this, but you can, some people can jump into certain timelines, you know, or other people's timelines and sort of scan things and see certain things, which is also very fascinating. I don't know if you can do that or show people they can, but it's, it's easier for me to do it for somebody else than it is for me to do it for myself, but I've done that before. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, essentially that's what you're doing. No.
00:30:25
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Pretty much, yeah. And well, for me, I ask their guides to show me the timeline. And let's say they have two options. Option A is job one. Option B is job two. And which I think the last time I did this was for somebody with a job situation. And they were like, I don't know which one's best. And so I just tuned in and was like, all right, well, it feels like both have pros and cons. So in option one,
00:30:53
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this is what I am seeing with that as a timeline and option two, this is what I'm seeing. And so I was able to see that. I saw visions and everything with it. I remember that really clearly, but that's a lot harder for me to do for myself though. So I've always been interested in why that is, but I think it's because my ego must be in the way. Yeah. Now, if you hadn't brought it up, I don't know if I would have ever sought out
00:31:22
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to learn more about it. Is there a practical application to it, do you think? For looking into your future or for remote viewing? Just learning more about remote viewing and why it might be helpful or interesting.
00:31:38
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I think it's really helpful even if you aren't planning to do this for a living because it helps you get really connected to your subconscious and it helps you get out of your ego. It helps you get out of your own way and also opens you up to what you're capable of. I think it's a good thing for anybody to take and the more you hone your spiritual skills, the better.
00:32:02
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Now, I would say if you have no interest in this whatsoever, you probably aren't even watching us. But for those people, I wouldn't recommend it. If it's not something that interests you, it's just not your calling or your thing. But if you have an interest in it and it's a fascinating thing to you, I would dive in and take a class. And what was it? Highly recommend John Vivanko.
00:32:26
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John, it was now, was he local or did you have to? No, I think he was in Washington state, but it, and he had it over zoom and he had a really good group of people. It was a really awesome class. Uh, yeah, there is at least with the gateway process from the Murrow Institute, you're, you, the most important thing in the first things you do is you set the intention to, uh,
00:32:56
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to sort of work and to expand and to open up. Like that's where it starts. That's, I don't know if you guys did that, but that's- Yeah, I do remember him getting us into that state. But I think that's also why he would ask us before doing homework to make sure that we did the binaural theta beats for a good 15, 20 minutes beforehand to get into that state. Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Yeah, time-wise, I think in the gateway process there is probably
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there's a preparation process where you start to kind of clear yourself and your energy of anything that's negative, like fear or doubt or something like that. And so how they do it is you have like an energy box and with a, you know, a tight lead, heavy weight, and you put all your fears and anything that you,
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Uh, that might hold you back or, you know, ego and you stow it away. So you separate yourself from that. And then you start to, it's almost, are you aware of like the Merkaba meditations and those things? Yeah.
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Okay. Um, you know, where it's, it's utilizing visualization and energy and light to kind of create this sphere or this. Geometric shape. The Merkabas was elegant. What is the boy? It's just called the Merkaba. I don't know. It's the star David, or the six, the six pointed star.
00:34:44
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six points. It's okay. And so there's some aspect of that. And then, but it's while you're doing that, you're also setting the intention and you declare it, which is interesting. I don't know. I can actually really, if that would be helpful. Do you think that would be interesting? Sure. Yeah.
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Um, so this is called, I'm sure you could probably just look this up, but the gateway affirmation. Um, I am more than my physical body because I am more than physical matter.
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I deeply desire to expand, to experience, to know, to understand, to control, and to use such greater energies and energy systems as may be beneficial and constructive to me and to those near and close to me.
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Also, I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience are equal or greater than my own. So that's the gateway affirmation. So that's part of the preparation to when you start developing higher levels of skills.
00:36:12
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think there's eight sort of courses total, but all the skills build on one another. If you're interested, they offer, I know on Spotify, Hemi Sync, so H-E-M-I-S-Y-N-C, at least
00:36:33
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a couple of the, uh, meditations for free on Spotify. I think they're free. Um, when I first heard them, it was kind of tuning into binaural beats. I almost looked at it like it was, you were cheating. Like he could use these things drop into a certain meditative state without having to like work at it. Um, but I think it's helpful that you, you know, to know that they're there and they can assist you in that way. Um,
00:37:03
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But it is sort of along the lines of why we do this podcast and the expansion of consciousness is to really make a great, how I say the great frontier, right? Learning how sort of expansive you are. Like you're not just this, you know, human being, like your consciousness can expand throughout the universe. Oh yeah, it's amazing.
00:37:32
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But I don't know, Jen, anything else we could add with remote viewing that might be interesting to anyone listening? Just that it's a lot of fun. And I would not, if you do learn remote viewing, please do not just try to remote view people that you know or don't know. People's privacy is really important. Yeah, hopefully there are some ethical considerations here.
00:37:59
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Yeah, seriously, ethics, please. But yeah, I know it's fascinating. I think you'd be amazed at what you can pick up and how quickly you'll learn these skills. Yeah, from my own personal experience, the thought of doing this was like, OK, this is a waste of time. I'm not going to be able to do this. This is impossible. Who could possibly do this?
00:38:26
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But I actually have seen documentaries and TV shows where they, they get trained, they'll train like the host of the show and then they'll give them a coordinate and they'll do it and they'll get hit. And they're like, I had no idea I could do this. Right. I know. Yeah. Highly recommend it. Yeah.
00:38:47
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It's funny to one of the things I'll say this too because it can also help you one of the things that John said he would do is He would assign a question that he would have or that you know some people I've hired him a couple times to remote view a question for me and he would get a jar and
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write the question with the number on it and put it into a jar and then pick up the jar and pick a something randomly out of the jar. So he would have an idea of what was in the jar, but he would have no idea of what he was picking. And then they would remote view that. And so you would actually answer questions for yourself that way. And so like I was saying earlier, sometimes it's really hard to
00:39:36
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Get information for yourself because your ego is attached to the outcome a lot of times. And so if you have something really important that you want information about, it's harder to get because you want things to happen a certain way or your fear might get in the way or your excitement or whatever it is, you just kind of get in the way. So with this, at the very least, you'd be able to put it into a jar and pick something out at random. And it might take you a few weeks or a month to get to the question that you wanted to answer in that moment.
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you'll get it and you'll get it from a much more neutral space. So you can definitely help yourself in learning things like this. What got your fancy into taking that class originally? Like what? I watched a video on John Vivanko.
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And I've been into intuitive development and things already, and I teach intuitive development, but this just took it all to a whole nother level and got me to trust myself, my deeper intuitive senses even more and really hone the skills. So when I saw the video, so yeah, look up videos on John Revanko or remote viewing in general and other people and Ingo Swan, there's books out there. There's so many resources and things that I've into.
00:40:55
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dive into it and see if it really is something you'd be interested in because I never thought I would take a class in it. And then when I was watching him, my thought was, I wonder if he teaches. And within a minute later, he was like, I'm doing a class. So I did go to his website and signed up for the class. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's all these synchronicities I think that start to pop up in your life when you are curious about something.
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And it's something that you should learn about or would have fun doing. Yeah, that's the key. Have fun with it. Because when your ego gets in the way, it's going to want you to be perfect and you're not going to be perfect. And that's the point. Like you're working the skills that you need to work. So it's good. Yeah. Very humble. Well, there's value in that too, right? There is.
00:41:54
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Yeah, no, when I first came across it, first I'm like, you know, this is silly, but then, okay, if it's so silly, why is the US government pumping money into this program?
Government's Interest in Remote Viewing
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Right? With high accuracy, and these people are amazingly accurate. Yeah. We don't have to worry about remote viewers anymore because they closed the program. Right. Allegedly, if you believe that.
00:42:26
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But anyway, before we get canceled, I love my life. Yeah, I know, right? Well, thank you, Jen. This is a fun topic to talk about.
00:42:47
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among other interesting things that they come across are awareness that I think people might enjoy listening to. So hopefully you got something out of this.
00:42:59
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I would say if you want to learn more, uh, there's the meditations binaural beats on Spotify or you probably find them. I know I've been using binaural beats in some of my own, uh, meditations and hypnosis tracks that I've been putting on YouTube. Sometimes I'm pretty sure like I'm, I'm writing like, you know, what hurts they are. And, but that's what they are binaural beats.
00:43:26
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Um, so there's different frequencies and different tunes with that. Some might be more pleasant than others. Um, and then, uh, Hemi Sync, um, I don't think they're the only ones anymore. Um, I think Brain Sync is another, but, uh, you can go check out some of their products and what they have to offer and, uh, start exploring some of these things on your own. Cause they are very interesting. They have a number of varied programs that you can learn about.
00:43:56
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Yeah, awesome. I definitely do it. And Jim, give me those links so I can put them in the description. Sure. Will do. All right. And also, if you are curious that Joe McMonigle interview with Sean Ryan came out maybe two weeks ago, but it's Sean Ryan podcast. So you can check that out too. Yeah. Send me that link too. And I'll make sure that gets in there.
00:44:21
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Excellent. All right. Jen, thank you very much. Thank you guys. All right. Yeah. Thank you very much. Bye. Till next time. See ya. We are so grateful that you joined us. Check out the description to learn more about us and also for additional resources to help you on your journey.