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Bonus Episode: Interview with Brett & Mark (Season 37)
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In this episode, we sit down with The Amazing Race Season 37 fan-favorites Brett Hamby and Mark Romain! We dive into their experience on the race, behind-the-scenes moments you didn’t see on TV, thoughts on their fellow racers, the story behind their elimination, and so much more. Brett and Mark were an absolute blast to chat with—funny, honest, and full of great stories. We were rooting for them the whole season, and we know you’ll love hearing from them too!
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Introduction and Guests
00:00:06
Speaker
Hello, amazing rewatch listeners. This is Jessica and Sadie. And we are so excited to have some special guests with us today. They've agreed to do an interview with us. This is Mark and Brett from season 37. Can you guys say hello?
00:00:22
Speaker
Hey, we're so so happy to be here with y'all. hi I'm excited to talk about it again. is Brett. Do you want to my voice? Yes. And we're both so we're huge fans. We know y'all are huge fans too. So it's fun to just chat with other fans.
00:00:37
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, I'm sure you guys have done a lot of podcast episodes so far and you might be kind of sick of repeating the same thing over and over, but we just love to hear all the details and like behind the scenes stuff. So we're so happy that you're joining us.
00:00:52
Speaker
Unfortunately, we talk to Josiah and Alyssa almost every day yeah and we're like, we're going to be 73 years old in our basement reliving season 37, making our great, great grandchildren watch it. So we're not tired yet. No.
00:01:05
Speaker
Okay, good. We love that.
Podcast Journey and Season 16 Curiosity
00:01:07
Speaker
we i don't know if you're familiar with our podcast, but we have been doing a rewatch recap all the way back to season one. We've some people on from season one. So there's people, you know, there's lots of racers that are just still really interested in talking about it. And just we love to hear everything about it. So like, we've had Joe and Bill who are from season one. We've had people from six, you know, seven. seven Yeah. What are y'all on right now?
00:01:39
Speaker
We just finished 15. Okay. Yeah, we released 15 on Wednesday. Yeah, two days ago. so Amazing, amazing. Yeah, we're kind of in that prime era.
00:01:49
Speaker
I know. I think we need to go back to the teens because we're really familiar with the beginning and watched with our family and really familiar with like second half and there's that little pocket in there we need to revisit. So we'll probably revisit it with y'all. Yeah, we almost rewatched almost all of it, but there's a section of there.
00:02:07
Speaker
That we should... Yeah. I was saying to Sadie, because we're going to start season 16 next, and I was like, I think that this is one that I have not actually seen, so I'm excited to have like a new one.
00:02:18
Speaker
It's like a surprise almost. Yeah. love that. I love that. So you guys have been fans of the show for a long time, or
Long-time Fans and Viewing Habits
00:02:28
Speaker
Yes. So actually when we went, I think it was one of our first dates, we talked about the fact that I used to watch it with my family growing up and i as well with my grandparents. Yeah.
00:02:40
Speaker
Yeah. So we've been fans for a very, very long time. i feel like my family definitely did like a survivor amazing race. We were like locked in. So I think, I think since it came out, I mean, I might've been in high school where i was like, going go on the amazing race.
00:02:53
Speaker
I'm going to do it. So i long, long, long time fans. Yeah. nice it's it's weird to me that you know you talk to some people about it and they don't really know the show or know about it and i'm like how could you not it's it's the best show that's ever been on television i know and then every once in a while i'll uh someone will come to me and like ask me if i've been on the season and they're like a younger person and i'm always like you watch it like I don't know, I'm like so i excited.
00:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, I've actually discovered that like this season, so many people in our lives actually do watch it and just never talk about it, which is such an interesting phenomenon to so many people.
00:03:30
Speaker
But I have found like, you know, today at the gym, someone came up randomly and mentioned it. So I've been surprised there's a lot more people in my life that are watching it than I knew before. so And I agree. I agree. It is one of the best television shows ever. So I'm surprised um that more people aren't talking about it Yeah.
00:03:52
Speaker
Well, and it's just such like a different... TV is just so different nowadays. It's like you had to sit down on Wednesday at seven o'clock and watch it. And now you kind of like watch it the next day or you don't really watch it live. You can, you know, binge it But did production talk about that at all?
Show Production Changes and Twists
00:04:09
Speaker
Because I know like 37, between 15 and 37, like the amount of viewers and the time it's on TV and they released only one season this last year instead of two. Like, did they say anything, like talk about that at all to you guys?
00:04:23
Speaker
Uh, production, not really. We kind of knew we, I mean, what they did say to us was just like, you know, CBS had a new show coming out. And so the summit.
00:04:35
Speaker
Yes. And so I think that's part of the reason why like our airing got pushed. Cause usually that would have been the time it would have aired. We waited that we waited the year. So I think that's why they talked about it. But they've been doing like a year ever since COVID. So I feel like COVID really changed a lot of things. Yeah. So I think overall, there was really no mention of that at all. But what I think was there was definitely a huge excitement that this season was getting back to more basics, bringing back a lot of, that you know, nostalgic types of things that, you know, for better or worse, really kind of shook up the season.
00:05:09
Speaker
So I think overall, I think there was definitely an excitement that like, they were getting able to like move past some kind of COVID restrictions and find a nice footy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:21
Speaker
We we wrote down all of the twists and like some of them were things that they've done in the past. Some of them are new. So I'm just the so like the U-turn vote, the face off, driver's seat, valet roulette, fork in the road.
00:05:35
Speaker
There was something on every leg, right? every And you know what? I feel like that changed the whole season. yeah Because we all got there on the first day.
00:05:46
Speaker
And your thought is, I just have to beat 13 teams. like right this is we did We have a chance to ease into this. It's going to real fun and easy. And honestly, like...
00:05:58
Speaker
the dread of being like, oh no, now I have to only beat 16. Just like I'm being fast forwarded to the middle of this competition right off the bat. And I think that really set the tone for the whole season because everybody was on edge.
00:06:11
Speaker
But until the, you know, honestly, I got tired in the middle of the way we were gagged when there was that second W turn in Bulgaria. I think we were so exhausted from twists and turns. We were like, sure.
00:06:25
Speaker
Why not? Sure. if If that's the one for this one, sure.
00:06:33
Speaker
Yeah. They definitely have to do some things to change it up and keep our interests and stuff like that. And I think some of these were really good and really interesting. The fork in the road one on the first episode, that one was so like you said, like that, that one was so crazy. i yeah What was y'all's favorite? Go ahead. I was going to ask something somewhere. Like i was like, well, as, as viewers, like,
00:06:52
Speaker
what like What are your takes on like that the new Fork in the Road and all that? Yeah, which ones were your favorite? like wine I think as we've seen it back and we've lived it and we've thought about it, like there are some timing things that you know we like. like Not to jump ahead, but let's say like the head-to-head. We're glad that the head-to-head happened early in that leg, you had time.
00:07:14
Speaker
mean, losing it and getting time and everything. Right, right, right, right. obviously there's more to it, but I mean, like, at least it was tight. At least it wasn't right before checking into the mat, although maybe if it was. Or like that first twist, you know, was it, what's his name, said that and sometimes it happens later in the season because you know, and you start to know the team. Intersection. Like if the intersection happened later. Intersection, sorry, yeah.
00:07:36
Speaker
maybe there would have been more strategy about which teams to pick. So like, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, i mean overall the driver's seat right before the U-turn vote was kind of a gag. Yeah. Like, absolutely. Like, absolutely. They knew what they were doing.
00:07:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. What was y'all's favorite twist for the season? I kind of liked that one. The driver's seat, that one was interesting. And just, you know, it kind of makes it more of a social game at that point, you know, and,
00:08:04
Speaker
something new, but not like it wasn't like a game ender for anybody really. absolutely So that's a great question. I mean, i would love to know from y'all stands for standpoint stands point standpoint.
00:08:19
Speaker
Usually the amazing race has very limited social game. And this season there was definitely more introduced. How did y'all feel about like the inclusion of that more?
Social Game Elements and U-turn Vote
00:08:34
Speaker
like the U-turn vote where it wasn't like a anonymous U-turn vote. Yeah, like that made it more like, they had like the yeah public U-turn vote. They had like some more elements that felt like it was more entertained dynamics, you know?
00:08:48
Speaker
Yeah, i I do like that. But I think as a viewer, I like that. I think as a racer, I wouldn't like that because I would be like, i I want to prove that I can win based on like my skill and my knowledge, not based on like who likes me or who doesn't like me, you know? But it makes it really exciting for us. But like Scott and Lori, how they got eliminated that leg because of a vote,
00:09:16
Speaker
And they were really good racers and strong, but that's why you voted for them, which I would too, if I was there, but they probably were so like, that'd be a very frustrating way to be eliminated. Yeah. I mean, I think that's like a very interesting, um,
00:09:34
Speaker
moment in time in the race and kind of like the edit and like what, you know, happened and, you know, all of the things that really played into it, um you know?
00:09:45
Speaker
And so that's something we can also discuss because I do believe that like you do want to try to make sure They like you go home or you win on your own merits. And so I think that's something that we've discovered as racers. And we discussed with other racers is that the biggest element of the race that you can't be prepared for is luck.
00:10:05
Speaker
And it's such a huge part of the race and you can't escape it as a racer. Like for our worst day, we had nothing to save us. However, you know what I mean? Like, on teams worst days like sometimes like carson and jack like you get so lost and no one knows you're there so it really just comes down to luck really you know and that's part of the game too like we got so flustered in france that we made so many navigational errors to get to the pit stop and that was like on us and you know scott and laurie and jonathan anna got so flustered by the w they made so many arrows that errors at that coral that like they really could have beat some of those other teams
00:10:44
Speaker
um Like Jack and Carson, Brett and I were like out of that coral within like 10 minutes. Looking back, watching the choices, we were like, why aren't we just throwing that together? I think that's part of the game is like, we got flustered in France and that's what happens. You get super, super flustered and you start making errors that like you normally wouldn't make.
00:11:05
Speaker
So it's interesting though. yeah Yeah. Yeah. We actually met Scott and Lori because they're from Utah and we're from Utah. So we went to like a watch party that they did and we met them.
00:11:17
Speaker
But it was before the U-turn. It was the, yeah, the episode before the U-turn. So we didn't get to watch that one and see. Because it was really interesting. They would like... they would on the commercial break, tell us like some behind the scenes stuff and all that. Did you guys do watch parties in your area with your friends and stuff? We definitely did the the premiere for sure. We had like a people at our friends bar that we like rented out and that was really fun.
00:11:41
Speaker
And then we had people like come over, you know, a little bit here and there. Yeah. And I think like, as far as the W turn vote goes, I think that, like, we will never, ever see eye to eye with Scott and Lori about what happened.
00:11:56
Speaker
Or, you know, I think, like, we were really, really clear during that U-turn vote that, like, We were never calling them inauthentic people. We were like that we are we are like, we just want to be allowed to play the game based on the merits and the merits say that like, you guys are one of the strongest teams and they always took it very personal.
00:12:19
Speaker
They still take it very personal. I thought that we had, you know, had, we've had many conversations since then. And I thought that we were on the same page. but it's been very clear that we're not. So I think at the end of the day, we're just never going to see eye to eye on what happened that day. We were very, I think everyone was very shocked by having a public double U-turn. We, there was like some, you know,
00:12:46
Speaker
chatter about like there possibly being a U-turn at some point because like obviously like this is a, you know, a season of twists. ah Here's happened. We had like, everyone had like a very clear front runner and that'd been Jonathan and Anna, especially after the driver's seat, people were very upset by that.
00:12:59
Speaker
So like that was a clear team that we were absolutely gonna U-turn no matter what. And then when we got there, I was like oh, it's double. It's like, okay, well, We all went to our separate corners of the the monkey forest. And then it was like, now decide who else to put up for yeah for this. you turn so And we all made that decision all on our own. And it just so happens that Scott and Lori were the ones that did it. So like we were all...
00:13:21
Speaker
I think i got a page i think i got a lot of we got a lot of blame for something that we've never orchestrated. it was not And actually, I do think Carson and Jack, and we've said this before, Carson and Jack would have gotten U-turn if it were not for the mat at the end of the prior leg, where all the teams piled up on the mat together.
00:13:39
Speaker
All the teams checked notes and discussed all of the gameplay that was going on behind the scenes. And there was a lot that came to light. And I think that was really the motivation for a lot of teams to vote for Scott and Laurie.
00:13:53
Speaker
And if that had not happened, i think people would have probably voted for Carson and Jack. And maybe. Oh, good. Oh, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. Just what you mean by that, like the season, the episode before you guys all just kind of talked about like, oh, who's doing best or like, what do you mean the chatter?
00:14:10
Speaker
so when we when we landed on on the mat in Bali the first day, there was a ton of teams that were there. yeah And we talked about the three first team, like the the top three teams that landed.
00:14:23
Speaker
We all started talking about them and it came to light. Well, there was like there was a lot of planning going on. and as you saw, like Scott and Lori told Jonathan and Anna, like, hey, like we said we weren't going to, you know, do give you the most work. And you said you weren't going to give us the most work and you gave us the most work. And they were pretty upset about that. And they said they were guilting them for it.
00:14:44
Speaker
We found out on the mat that they had told them that, but they had also told all of us that they were going to give them the most work. And then they also recruited a bunch of us to give them the most work as well. And I also wanted to get Jonathan out of the most work.
00:14:56
Speaker
So there were all these schemes coming together. what What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? And so then at the end of the day, everyone was like, look, Scott and Lori are the strongest or one of the strongest teams. And also all of this cross team scheming is not adding up.
00:15:10
Speaker
So then let's be fair. like those are the top three teams so all people in the back we're gonna gun for them anyway it was it just yeah josiah did try to bring carson jack but because everyone he did so he knew the numbers were so shocked by the and we weren't and we weren't the motivating factor at that matt it was actually yeah we i i can't keep my mouth shut so i added on of course but like so at the end of the day like At the end of the day, like, again, like, I think we've gotten a majority of the heat for what ended up happening. But in reality, like, there was a lot of contributing.
00:15:48
Speaker
So that was that. I mean, but that was also a very small part of our race. so and And I love the WPOP. Sorry, I don't want to you off. Like, even if we got voted for, like, that's be it so dramatic. Like, that's what I want. Like, let's get out here. Let's vote for each other. let's write for me I don't want to get voted for, but honestly, like, I live for all of this.
00:16:05
Speaker
Like, if we get voted for, like, yeah, I'm going to be like, a but I'm not going like, you know, lash out, but like, you what i mean? Like, that's that's the game. Like, I'd live for it. So what were you going to say? No, I was going to touch back on, like, a social game, but it's okay.
00:16:17
Speaker
Oh, what's the social game? i mean, um if you're in the top three, you're clearly a stronger team. to talk about like just being a strong team on your merits, like they're going to be targeted. And then the social game came in to be like,
00:16:33
Speaker
Well, there's doing this, they're being manipulated, they're playing a game. Okay, so then now they're even now they're even more of a threat because they're not yeah being doing well. They're also playing. They're playing a very specific game. as well There's multiple games going on. So now they're even even bigger threat because they're playing games that other teams aren't even playing.
00:16:52
Speaker
And I think the producers didn't even know that was ever going happen when they added that into it. but i think there's I mean, honestly, there's not there's so much going on behind the scenes that they cannot show every single storyline. yeah And I think that storyline had so much depth that like really just did not make the screen.
00:17:09
Speaker
So at the end of the day, also, I'd like to say for sure, like we thought we were going to get U-turned. We saw ourselves as a strong team, and we lucked out because we had such bad luck the first three legs. By the time we got to that double U-turned vote,
00:17:21
Speaker
the teams felt so bad for us. Yeah. And don't want to vote for them. Yeah, literally like girl, the intersection, they got lost on the rice paddy. Like, yeah like, honestly, like, so we lucked out to be honest. Like, we can't deny that we're a strong team. If people voted for us, I would understand. But people just felt really bad for us. And that was our luck. So honestly, that was our luck.
00:17:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it is kind of a could be a strategy of like, don't seem so strong at the beginning. but yeah yeah i we were like not so weak that you end up getting accidentally eliminated. It's like a hard game to play. heart the play We do talk about because like people always and since the U-turn was introduced, everybody just gets so mad and takes it so personally. And I'm like, it's part of the game. Yeah. And it is what it is.
00:18:14
Speaker
And is speaking of that, like, we definitely 100% knew that Carson and Jack weren't lost in last place. We didn't know how lost they were. so we, yeah, we knew other people. We didn't know that nobody else knew. So we depended on other people to U-turn them.
00:18:30
Speaker
But I would definitely say in the future, like We did know. They were that lost? We knew they were in last. We just didn't know they were at that lost and nobody else knew. yeah But now having been there, I'm like, yeah, y'all, I would use the U-turn. I would do it again. If I was in second place, I would do it anyway. I know. And you were forced to. In other seasons, like you have the choice to U-turn or not, but you didn't have a choice. You had to pick somebody. Yeah.
00:18:58
Speaker
so I mean, at the end of the day, i enjoyed it. i think I still would have enjoyed its existence if we did get U-turned. But I just thought that I mean i live i live for a live U-turned vote. I just do. And so and and like to to like to their credit, and don't want to keep bringing them up because i they were really close to Jonathan and Anna.
00:19:21
Speaker
Like, and Lori almost... got them. So like, oh hundred I still believe it i will look in it. I will never deny how strong Scott and Lori are. They were just a great team. They're a very, very strong team. yeah So I'll never, ever, ever take that away from them. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:41
Speaker
It is. It's so interesting. Yeah. All this stuff. This is why we love asking you guys, like what are the things that we don't see and like all this stuff behind the scenes like that. They could do like a whole episode just on all the stuff we didn't see. Yeah. A whole season. Yeah. A whole season. I just literally posted a TikTok about how like there's so much stuff that you didn't see. So, but yeah. They need to be like, uh,
00:20:07
Speaker
They need to do a new show, like an online show, kind of like after Drag Race, how they talk more about... Like an amazing race on Twitch. Yes. Yeah.
00:20:18
Speaker
You guys should get that going. Yeah. Oh, girl. And then CBS will be like, you signed a contract that you can't sign. Do it with CBS and they'll pay you.
00:20:30
Speaker
oh yeah. Absolutely. I would do that. Yeah. Speaking of TikTok, we just watched one... um right before we came on here and it looks like Alyssa is pregnant.
00:20:42
Speaker
Yes, she is. They do any day. I know. I told her it's a scam. Yeah. Show us the baby. She's pregnant for so long. was like, the baby has to be coming down. She's like out there playing pickleball, hiking.
00:20:55
Speaker
Like she's literally, yeah, don't know. She's crazy. But yeah, I think she's due any day now. I think so too. Yeah. That's awesome. It sounds like you guys have like kept in touch with them. Is there any other teams that you guys got really close to still keep in touch with?
00:21:09
Speaker
Yeah, we we talked to, we most talked to Josiah and Alyssa. We talked to Carson and Jack. We talked to Jackie. Jackie, I'm really close to. actually her a phone call. We're still close to Anna and Jonathan. Yeah. Han, I feel like. Yeah, we've talked to Han a lot. I feel like. We're still friends with pretty much everybody, but I think people we keep in touch with most, I think, are mostly those people. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:36
Speaker
Yeah. So you don't have to talk about it a lot or not at all if you don't want to, but there was a lot of backlash online about Jonathan and, like, how he treated his wife.
Backlash and Growth of Contestants
00:21:48
Speaker
I want to, like, do you guys have anything to say about that behind the scenes? Like, did you see that? Or, like, what do you think that has been like? think it was very tough to watch back, to have to relive it. Honestly, like that, I think that, you know, um obviously I think it's a, it's a storyline that, that was, I think we didn't need to see as much of, but um it was something that we all cling to because like, we all, we can't all be lovey-dovey. We want these other characters in there too. So like we, we watch it, we we watch hate it or hate watch it. yeah and ah And I just, I, it's just so hard because like,
00:22:23
Speaker
You know, if you're in that, you can talk to more about his experience, but I'm just saying like as a viewer, like, and as a racer, like you're in that really high pressure cooker situation. And then like, you don't really get to see yourself back and then you, you know maybe reset for the day and then it happens again. And there's like no time to like talk to with a therapist or like do a thing and you have none your creature comforts. Like, so yeah I think it's just a very, it's rock obviously awful to watch. And I, you know, she's an angel and I know that they're working, know,
00:22:49
Speaker
They're working on it. And I'd have to definitely say, like, I learned a lot as a viewer because I remember watching Colin and Christie and I was like, I hate Colin. And then they had like the best redemption arc ever at 31.
00:23:00
Speaker
But then I will definitely say, like, we connected with Jonathan and Anna. And I personally didn't see, i think some other teams are produce like either had seen, you know, their moments and we didn't see any of them We didn't run next to them. So I was really surprised.
00:23:15
Speaker
But... this is the thing is like talking to them afterwards and going through it. Like it was, I know how difficult it was for them to watch and for them, for the whole world to watch. And my biggest thing is like, I know that he was diagnosed by autism afterwards. And this is, this is where I have to like definitely lend my compassion to them because ever since it's aired and since they've been home, I've heard like nothing out of Jonathan's mouth then like, yes, that was amazing.
00:23:44
Speaker
not okay. It's not okay. We're doing everything we can to like work on it. Like she deserves to be treated better and talk to better. And the amount of like, we basically had like,
00:23:57
Speaker
from what I saw and from what I know, as speaking to them, like, he basically had kind of like a crisis of being under this level of stimulation and pressure. This is the highest pressure thing we've ever experienced in our life. And he clearly did not handle it well.
00:24:11
Speaker
And like Brett said, like the race is a marathon. So like, it just goes on forever. So the best thing I can speak to that is like, I understand everyone's really strong opinions and feelings about it. I think it makes sense.
00:24:25
Speaker
And I think that I've seen his direct response to those and it's never been anything except for, yeah, you're right. This is terrible. And so with that being said, yeah.
00:24:36
Speaker
And so I'm saying like, this was the worst case scenario for them. Their whole journey was the worst case scenario. And I think their response to me is kind of like the best thing you could possibly do in that scenario, being like, we're working on it, we're doing the best we can. And like, absolutely, like this was terrible.
00:24:55
Speaker
So um that's what I saw. i haven't seen every single one of their recaps. So I can't speak for everything they said, I've seen most of them. But like, that's basically what I've seen. So At the end of the day, like, yeah, I don't know. I think it's really hard. I think it's hard to have like your hardest moment immortalized forever on television so people can forever watch it and then tell you how much they hate you.
00:25:17
Speaker
Like, I think that sucks. So, um and I have to defer to her. i have to defer to her and like what I've experienced with them personally. So, yeah. And then I feel shitty because then I watch another reality show and I'm like, yeah, you fucking suck. I hope you
00:25:33
Speaker
And then I stop and I think to myself and I'm like, well, maybe there's other parts story I don't know. And then I go back and I'm like. Yeah. The editing is definitely. i don't know. if i didn't believe Oh, sorry.
00:25:45
Speaker
was just going to say like, we don't, we don't see this type of couple as much anymore because. No. Because of the internet and social media. And there is so much more backlash, but like watching some of the earlier seasons, and like couples fought all the time. Yeah.
00:25:58
Speaker
And people were mean to each other all the time. yeah It was a lot more like this in the past. Like I always think about that one couple. I think they were like model dating. And then at the pit stop, he like threw his backpack and like, what did you learn? And he was like, his name was also Jonathan. His name was Jonathan. i don't remember his name. That's crazy. Jonathan 1.0. He was the worst.
00:26:19
Speaker
And he was like, i don't want to be with her. And then like, whatever, like you said, this was so normal in the early seasons. Yeah. yeah. Yeah, I think like because we're so we're thinking so much about the earlier seasons because we're watching them right now.
00:26:36
Speaker
And so when we like see something like this happening currently, we're kind of like, oh, that's not the best, but it's not the worst that we've seen. But people who aren't like going back and rewatching and they've just like been watching the last few seasons as they're on, they're probably like a little bit more shocked than people who are like more familiar with past seasons. But it's just kind of how like TV and social media is now. Like you have to be very, very, very careful.
00:26:58
Speaker
And I think the race and the producers are very careful, even like they don't put probably a lot of stuff on the show that they
Reality TV as a Social Experiment
00:27:06
Speaker
used to. They're careful with their casting. They, you know.
00:27:10
Speaker
Yeah. So it was, it was kind of exciting to have that kind of. a little bit more drama. A little bit more to like talk about. mean, I 100% agree. And I do think, and that's where we always felt where we were like,
00:27:27
Speaker
We're not like, like, ah I think it's normal that people in this, I don't, I mean, I think that's what also people don't think about enough is like, this is not a normal situation. This is like the, the i I can't, i always explain like being shot out of a cannon, like literally, and then like, you're not allowed to stop.
00:27:45
Speaker
um And so um I think it's like a more of like a human, like a social experiment. And I think people don't think of it enough as a social experiment. And they think of it as like a litmus test for like, what kind of a person you are, instead of like, you know, um there's a million people who are judging them who would also be doing and saying the same thing. And that's why you I think that's what made I mean, still makes Amazing Race so great is that it's it's a lot about the the relationships.
00:28:17
Speaker
Like, yeah, you're going through do all these challenges and you're seeing all these beautiful places and doing these cool cultural things, but it's how you guys interact together. And like, so you need a little bit of all that. And when I've talked to people who are like, hey, oh yeah, what do you think about Jonathan and Anna? My guy's an asshole. And I'm like, okay, but out of those two in that relationship, who are you?
00:28:33
Speaker
And they're like, oh yeah, i'm totally like Jonathan. I would never go on the show. I have to admit, I never go on the show because like I've definitely said that before. But then two minutes later, they'll be like, right arrest him. And I'm oh, girl, which is it?
00:28:47
Speaker
Which is it? um Yeah. so um So yeah, so I agree. I think that like it's interesting to have different archetypes of relationships. And I think definitely like there's been some seasons that are very kumbaya and everyone loves And people don't like those ones.
00:29:04
Speaker
No. So like there's always going to be something people don't like. There's always going to be something people don't like. So. Yeah. And back in the day, you didn't have to like defend yourself on social media after your season aired. Like nobody, like you talked about it with your friends and then it was just like done with. And now just like, yeah.
00:29:22
Speaker
I think social media is such an interesting addition to reality television, like Survivor and Amazing Race, because like even when we watch other reality shows, like the first thing we do is we rush to their social media to see what they're saying or posting or doing or like who they're following or not following. Yeah.
00:29:40
Speaker
i mean But I do. But like, that's what people do. So it's like, it's double now. It's like, and they have direct access to you, which makes it even crazier, makes even crazier.
00:29:52
Speaker
But anyways, but the race in general, I think that's what makes it amazing is they have all these dynamic relationships you really get to see, you know, play out. And I think that's what's fun. That's what makes the race fun. Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker
We always talk about, like, in our recaps, the different dynamics because we're so we siblings and we want to be on the show. We've applied, but we haven't heard anything yet. But anyways, we're like, when you go on the race with your sibling, you're always going to be siblings. You can fight. You can say mean things. You're always to be siblings. But you guys going on the race as a romantic couple, it's just, like, another level of, like,
00:30:24
Speaker
stress because you're not going to come home and just oh we're just going to you know be together like what did you guys think about that going in were you like oh this is going to really test us or we think we're ready we're going to be the best couple they've ever had or we well I mean we we we didn't really think of that in terms of like how we would we be seen, but we would definitely like, if we were like into like a, you know, domestic spat about duvet cover or something and we'd be like joking, like there'd be several times I'd be like, Oh, I can't wait to go on the race so they can see how you talk to me and how I'm going to be right. And you're going to, it was like, we were joking. We would joke about it. Cause we've been there for 10 years. So we've worked on our communities a lot. Yeah.
00:31:06
Speaker
And however, it turns out we were a lot nicer to each other than we thought. and There were definitely moments I feel like they didn't show of us getting a little more irritated with each other. Like we got into an argument at the airport one time because wanted to buy a tin of matcha and bro was like, we literally don't have the money for that. And I was like, but I need it And he was like, no And I was like, that's fine.
00:31:26
Speaker
I guess like, but like that was one of our arguments. I think, so one, I think to me it's worse for family members. It just is. I think like we have chosen to still be with each other after 10 years, but family members like y'all are stuck you guys not stuck like no matter how much you like each other like this was not by choice i mean you are choice if you go on but i don't know i just think it's different i think it's different because you're also 24 7 like we were locked down in covid together right we're like together but like when was the last time y'all were together yeah it was the last time you guys spent six weeks without being more than 20 feet apart or yeah yeah yeah like because that's the 20th rule or the 10 feet
00:32:09
Speaker
I think it's 20 feet. You're not allowed to be more than 20 feet away from each other. And it's six weeks. So like, you know, we've done similar that. nothing to do. Nothing to do. Like, you're not going to have a phone and be like, I'll talk to you later. Like, no, no, no. no You're stuck.
00:32:24
Speaker
So, I mean, like, we heard Han and Holden arguing in the park on the first day. yeah, yeah. Just waiting to speak to our interviews. Yeah. um And we joke about it. But like, they know they've gone through a lot of relationship building at times.
00:32:36
Speaker
um I think we worried less or we were concerned less about how we would be seen as a couple. No one wants to be boring. So, I mean, obviously we were like, I hope we're not boring.
00:32:47
Speaker
um But again, we also didn't do anything to try not to be boring. We were just, well, we'll just be ourselves and hopefully that's enough. Mm-hmm. But I think we were more like focused on also like playing the game we wanted the way we wanted to play it.
00:33:05
Speaker
So we had seen some players in the past like Rob and Corey and some other players who are very resilient and we love the way they responded to stress and challenges. And so I think that was our bigger concern versus our relationship was like, how are we going to deal with the challenge of the race?
00:33:22
Speaker
And I think that served us because we had so many challenges. So that was already in our mind. It's like, we want to run the race with integrity. we want to you know, try and put into action so they the way the people we want to be.
00:33:36
Speaker
So that was our main. Now, if we were to ever do the race again, i think we'd be a little bit more cutthroat. I think we'd be a little bit more like, you know, how we were in game night. But overall, like that was basically our biggest goal was like, not to try to look like good people, but to try to be like, hey,
00:33:51
Speaker
let's step back and remember like why we're doing this and you know do it the way we want to do it so yeah i think that would you come back if somebody asked to i to yesterday tomorrow tell my house to go back yes yes yes i mean know things yeah i mean yeah there's very little i wouldn't give to go back That's awesome.
00:34:17
Speaker
We would love to see you guys come back. That would be yeah really good. They haven't done all stars in a long time. It's about time that they do one. So yeah I feel like season 40 is coming up. They're going to do something. There's been just so many rumors about season 40. There's more chatter. There's so much chatter. I feel like you forget. like every I think every racer wants to go back. i think every Winners want to go back. All the winners want to go back. Yes, an all-winners season is what like I've heard some people.
00:34:44
Speaker
and Sadie doesn't want that. She's like, they've already won once. They shouldn't get to win again. and I want them to do a first-place eliminated season. like that Everybody who left on the first leg, they get to have another chance.
00:34:55
Speaker
Well, I said they could do an all-winner season if the winners had to donate their million dollars to a team that lost for the chance to win. Yeah. Race the stakes. Race the stakes. Yeah.
00:35:08
Speaker
yeah selfishly we want them to just keep doing seasons of new people because we want to be on so i yeah and to speak and to speak to that like elise and bertram and the rest of the production really do see the race as kind of like a gift to the contestants because they know only one going to win a million dollars. They're not not trying to keep bringing back people just because. just because they They really like giving it to new people new people because it is such a wonderful experience. like and you Selfishly, I want to go back. yeah and Also, unselfishly, like it is one of the best gifts we've ever received in the world and I do hope as many people get to experience
Future Participation and Strategies
00:35:47
Speaker
as possible. i
00:35:48
Speaker
I agree. and I think one of the things going into the race that time was like... I obviously want to win a million, but I was was like, I want everyone to like get a taste of the front and be like, well, everyone gets to win. Yeah. We got real, cause yeah i real hippie dippy for a minute. We were like, cause we had, we'd worked so hard and then we finally got first and we like, we did it. i hope everyone else gets experience to experience it too. And, one And yeah, I definitely do still feel that way because we were like, we don't need to win every leg. We just want to get to the end and hopefully win. I still feel that way. Like I would never want to have to win every leg. I think every a team should know what it feels like to succeed on the race and whatever that means to them. yeah
00:36:27
Speaker
Cause like, yeah, there's room for everyone to feel like that. And for us to still win. I think that's possible. Yeah. That's not what happened. We just watched was season 15. Megan and Shane. Did you guys watch that season?
00:36:40
Speaker
I don't think we've seen this season. They won like eight plays. Yeah. How did that feel to watch as a viewer? It was more boring because I'm like, all right, well, here, Megan and Shane again. So it is it is funner to watch when it's you know, a variety of people coming from the back and going, you know, or right that are in the front and something happens and they get like almost eliminated, you know? So yeah like Ricky and Cesar, they like, they won a lot too in their season.
00:37:09
Speaker
Like, okay. they're go But we also love the game. we love that life but It is really fun and exciting to see it like flip around. yeah And I think that was also like even exciting as like,
00:37:22
Speaker
racers for this season being like every leg being like oh my god it was a different team again oh my god not the same like i don't know maybe not till the end like there wasn't i don't know did anyone win back to back maybe not till is towards the end john and anna maybe yes ah the i can look and see like carson jack won the last three legs yeah the last yeah so it wasn't till the end oh yeah yeah It doesn't look like there's any other back-to-back wins or yeah so that's like anybody dominating.
00:37:55
Speaker
That's good. And that's what kind of felt crazy during the race was like, oh, it's anyone's race. Yeah. no And it's good that they do what they do, production does, you know, some of the equalizers, some things, like some things I would change. But that makes it nice because like, you know, sometimes when you're first and the next leg, you get a you you might get a fast pass and the only the first three teams get to try it. It's kind of like... Oh, you don't feel any type of way about that?
00:38:23
Speaker
No, no, no. Yeah.
00:38:26
Speaker
No. So I do like that as throughout the the season they they did equalize and there's moments like- You like it more when it happens to you, but you can't control that.
00:38:36
Speaker
I'm just saying- But also, you know, like the driver's seat, like wasn't particularly, you know, ah we've discussed and a lot of teams discussed passing on it.
00:38:47
Speaker
Like, cause you had the option to pass. So, um you know, people talked about that as a strategy. You know what i mean? Like maybe you don't want to be responsible for everybody. Right. Yeah.
00:39:00
Speaker
I don't know. how i feel I guess just in the moment, like how, how cutthroat it is or I don't know. I, I probably would pass on it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. And that was like a long time ago. I feel like because that was like towards the beginning of the season. That was right.
00:39:17
Speaker
Every decision you think you're going to make at the race, you out the window because in the moment, all you're thinking about is how do I get from a to B fastest? Like, how do I get past whatever's right in front of my face?
00:39:29
Speaker
And so like strategy, that's why like when people are like, that was the worst use of, although I will say the cheese shop was pretty crazy. I mean, we've talked about it. We've talked about that. They know we feel about it. They know.
00:39:42
Speaker
They know. Also, and and this is my like alter alternate universe. We talk about them. Like if they had used that express pass, I think we might still have made it past that leg You know what i mean? because because Because we would have never been right behind them. we we would have erected we wouldve gotten our own directions and we would have been there in plenty of time before a hot hold-in. That was our biggest mistake for sure.
00:40:03
Speaker
um So you know, like, we can only blame our best friends for eliminating us from the inside. There's not a day go by that we don't give them grief about that leg, but there's not a day go by that we don't all four collectively give Jack and Carson grief about Bulgaria. So yeah I think that's what we also heard about this season that we discussed is like this season was so cutthroat and competitive amongst each other, but it was also a really healthy competition between like where we looked at each other and we're like, i love you, but also like, I am going to do whatever I can. I want to win. Yeah, exactly. Like, I love you, but I'm also like, I'm going to beat you. So, right.
00:40:37
Speaker
And think I respected each other more for it because we were like, yeah, I think that's what it should be. Yeah. yeah i was so competitive too. It was such a competitive season. Yeah. What kind of, do you think that you guys as racers, like what kind of approach do you think you would have to, you know, that kind of competitive strategy with other teams? Would you probably be like friendly to teams or?
00:40:59
Speaker
um well I think there's a point in the race where you have to like cut that off. Like you can't, sacrifice your friendliness in like the last three or four legs and be like, you know, it's like, okay, it's down to the wire. We got to think for ourselves or look out for ourselves.
00:41:16
Speaker
But we always say like, When it comes to U-turns and stuff like that, we would use it strategically. we would We would actually use it if we had to at the moment. We wouldn't just like pass on it because we feel bad for people. yeah But also, we would want to be friends with people. and Sometimes it works for your benefit because people like can form alliances.
00:41:36
Speaker
But every leg is different. Every season is different. It's just like... But we saw, what season was it where like the last couple legs, the team was so giving to other teams that they were eliminated. It was the Cho Bros.
00:41:50
Speaker
Oh, yeah. There was like 11 or 12 or something like that. I think 10. They were just like so worried about like helping their friends get to the end that they got eliminated themselves. And I'm like, don't know.
00:42:01
Speaker
So we'd never do that. Yeah. diversity Go ahead. go ahead. no you go ahead Oh, no, i thought you were saying we talk so much. you yeah um That's a great strategy, though, to remember.
00:42:14
Speaker
No, I think Jack and Carson, when were watching the season, they chose at the perfect time to start looking out for themselves. Now, unfortunately, that was right after we were looking out for them.
00:42:26
Speaker
And then we, I don't think we chose early enough. Right. But, you know, at the end of the day, Jack and Carson are incredible racers. And something you didn't see was that at the beginning of the second leg,
00:42:40
Speaker
It was us and Carson and Jack at the travel agent. And we were just talking and and we told them, we said, hey, we think you're one of the biggest threats in the race.
00:42:50
Speaker
And we don't think other people see that. And we were like, we, because you guys are smart, you're athletic, you're talented, you're also performers. I think performers have an advantage and this is why.
00:43:02
Speaker
Not because they perform, but because when you perform, like your learning curve is so fast. Like you have to think on the fly. you have to learn and you have to have some kind of, you have to have some, you have to have some, you have to have some development of resilience because being a performer is literally people telling you,
00:43:26
Speaker
no, you're not good enough. No, this, no to this. you just have to bounce the thing to think, to think, to think. You have to be creative. You have to think about things from different perspectives. Um, so like when we saw them, i was like, oh, they're the ones to look out for.
00:43:41
Speaker
you were right. Clearly. that help you called it. Called it. Yeah. They were, I think they were, who else do you think were the ones that we right away were?
00:43:54
Speaker
and I mean, Jonathan and Adam, because no one ever saw them. They were like... From the first two legs, they were like, how are you getting everywhere so fast? We were, like, gossiping, obviously, we time, nothing else to do. And we were like, he's a secret agent. He works for the government. Yeah, he says all these languages. Yeah, they have so many secrets.
00:44:12
Speaker
Someone said that they saw him, like, doing, like, taekwondo or, like, karate in the park. And, like, we were like, oh, he's, like, secretly trained. Yeah. Like... There were so many rumors. That's funny.
00:44:23
Speaker
Yeah. Nothing else to do for part of it. So. yeah Just to like speculate. Yeah. their teams Yeah. think who else? I mean, we, I mean, honestly, we didn't really sell any teams short, especially in the beginning.
00:44:34
Speaker
Yeah. when When we first met all the teams, like it didn't matter who was what, like we've, we've seen the race. Long enough. Long enough to know that like, you can't really count anyone out. Like, yeah, there's like little older people like, obviously like don't go too far sometimes, but like, you just never know what challenges you're going to get. And like, if you work smarter, like.
00:44:51
Speaker
then you don't have to be like fastest. Like everyone's like, like, Oh, you have to run so much. was like, if you're, you know, on a foot race, then sure. But like, otherwise, like being smart about your taxi or being smart about like what you choose or like, you just never know what challenges going happen. So you just don't know. And reading the freaking clue. And reading the clue. How's it? No, but like it happens.
00:45:15
Speaker
I can't tell you. how many shots they didn't use of us and other teams not reading the clue, running past the clue box, yeah going the wrong way, and producers being like, well, they never help you because they can't.
00:45:32
Speaker
But if it's like you literally cannot do this, then it's... That first leg in Hong Kong when we got off of Changchow Islands, like... At least four teens ran right past the clue box.
00:45:47
Speaker
We all did us and Josiah and Alyssa and two other teams. Josiah and Alyssa are the worst people to run next to because that's one things you can't judge anyone. We knew they were nurses, but we didn't know she was a D1 soccer player and they run for fun. They're just like running like this gazelle.
00:46:01
Speaker
We call them gazelles. They never They never get... the picturesches it's just yeah And we think it's so funny because in that Bulgaria lake, when we went to the collect shop from the lake, we ran. Because we were like, we don't want to we don't know how public transit works. yeah Let's run. We saw it on the map.
00:46:19
Speaker
We got there. We literally looked at each other. We said, this can't be it. There's absolutely not. We cannot be running. This cannot be the lake. And they literally did the opposite. they You heard the soundbite. They were like, oh, that was easy. If that's what we have to do all day, no problem.
00:46:33
Speaker
And so like we could not have been more opposite. But then talking to them after they were like, it was a bad decision to run. They almost killed their killer guy. Yeah, we're like, so if you felt that way, imagine would have been.
00:46:45
Speaker
No. No, no. you just really can't touch anyone. I don't think of that. Like your camera guy has to run with you if you decide to run. Camera and sound. Two people with you. Yeah.
00:46:56
Speaker
And they're like, oh, really? Everything you They're superheroes. They are superheroes. Carson and Jack drove three hours. You think they're going be out of Be like, no, I'm not going. They're right there in the car. We almost drove to the coast in Bulgaria. They had like the same name, but like,
00:47:12
Speaker
I almost missed the little one, but it was one way over here. And i was like, I guess we're in the car for three hours. And our camera guy, after we didn't go there, he was like, I am so relieved. He was like, I was preparing for a four hour trip to the beach. I was like, I'm so glad we didn't go there either. They just have to let it happen. And they're like, all right. Yeah. they really Do they switch it up? Like, do do you have the same crew the whole time or do they?
00:47:37
Speaker
Okay. Okay. No, and I think they do that in order. So, like, you don't really form relationships with them. I think it keeps it fair. You know, like, there's different dynamics with camera guys and sound people. I don't want to say camera guys. Camera people. Operators and sound operators.
00:47:51
Speaker
And so, because there are some incredible women on the team as yeah well. yeah Some really badass women. And so, um they switch it up. And it definitely, like, keeps things interesting. Because, like...
00:48:02
Speaker
I mean, I think that's even... They're all amazing. Yeah, they're all amazing. Elise said in a recent interview, and I think she's right, it's like, I think the whole premise is they want to keep all the racers on their toes as much as possible.
Emotional Aftermath and Life Post-Race
00:48:15
Speaker
And so... And they do. And they do. And they sure do. Yeah. Yeah. One thing we heard about this season was that there wasn't like a sequester-ville or like somewhere that everybody went after they got eliminated. Is that true or um I know that like, I think they stopped doing that during COVID. Because someone I knew on one of the earlier seasons said they had like a sequester bill. And i was like, oh, fierce. Like she was like, yeah, I kind of just went like on a vacation to a house in Italy for the rest of it until and I was like, oh my god, that's not Yeah, I think they stopped that during COVID.
00:48:52
Speaker
And so yeah. So then what happens if you get eliminated in the first week, and or like the first leg and you go home after two days and your family's like, well, apparently you sucked. So Well, you're not really allowed to tell anybody things.
00:49:04
Speaker
so Yeah, you're supposed to have time to So I mean, yeah, you're gone a lot of people had to kind of, you know, figure that out. Like we didn't, but I think for sure, like, I mean, also like every person who's ever been on limited on the amazing race has been depressed afterwards.
00:49:19
Speaker
So I think just stay I think you kind of just hide out. Would you say? Yeah, just stay home and like, yeah, well I think we just hide out to anybody. But after the night after we got eliminated, like I woke up in the middle of the night in like a pure anxiety panic attack.
00:49:35
Speaker
And just like, yeah i don't think I've cried more than those like two weeks afterwards. But every single person who gets eliminated goes through the same experience. It's just such a heightened emotions. And that's what i'm super grateful for.
00:49:48
Speaker
like Before we left, like, we were both doing shows and we were kind of in the groove of things. And life was good. Like, there was nothing wrong with life. But life was good. But at the race, like, I'll never...
00:50:01
Speaker
I'll never give up the heartbreak or the anxiety or the frustration or the stress. Cause like you're feeling life at a level that you don't really get to feel on a day-to-day basis.
00:50:12
Speaker
So like, that's what I'll go about. You can't, it's unsustainable. You can't live like that forever. But I'll tell you, like it, it's, it's a drug. Like I think anyone who's been on the race before too, because like,
00:50:24
Speaker
It is just such a pure heightened experience of life that like, it's not really easy to come by. so um, so yeah, so you are depressed and anxious when you get home, but also it's part of the experience. I wouldn't get rid of it for anything. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. That's like, I know. Even the winners probably come home. Just like being like your adrenaline is just like here and then you get home and it's like crash. and i mean And then you have to watch yourself on TV and then everyone else has to watch you and everyone has to give their opinion on your edit, how much you're in it, whether you're interesting or not, whether you're doing good or not, whether you're making good choices or not. Like why like it is just, a it's like a meta experience that I was not prepared for.
00:51:08
Speaker
yeah yeah love we integrate with And hopefully, yeah. And it's worth every single part of it. Worth every single part of it. yeah That's awesome. Yeah. All the people we've talked to that have been on the race, whatever a year that they did it, they just have such amazing things to say about it. And like, it's brought...
00:51:27
Speaker
us together doing this project has brought so many families together it's like such a family-friendly show that everybody can relate to and just like enjoy together and learn so much about the world and cultures and stuff like that it's just so overall it's just so great and so the things you said i think that's really awesome oh i'm so glad and honestly like i think that um we've gotten so much joy from watching the race and like, and sharinging and sharing it with everyone and being brought together. Like, I think this is just, and I think this is interesting too.
00:52:01
Speaker
um I think you guys might enjoy this is I think that like, Being on the race was a special experience and watching the race as racers was special, but we always watched the episode twice.
00:52:13
Speaker
And the second time we watched it as fans because we're fans. And there was just something so special about that, that like, you don't, you kind of lose when you're a racer.
00:52:25
Speaker
But then to have that back again, it's just such a special place to be that like, I'm looking forward to being a fan of it for, you know, as long as it airs, because like being a racer is cool, but like getting to watch as a fan is such a pure experience that like, I'm glad to have that.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. It was almost like, yeah. Anyway, it was it was nice. We always looked at each other and we were like, did we just enjoy watching that more as a fan than we did as a racer? And we were like, actually, always.
00:52:58
Speaker
Yeah. It was interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah Well, we will let you go soon, but I did want to ask, we watched your um audition video and it showed some of the shows that you were in in Vegas. And I just, um like the Shania Twain was, or one of you,
00:53:16
Speaker
A back five dancer? Okay. So i went and saw her show and then I've seen Ka. Oh. That's Brett, right? Okay. So I'm like, maybe I've actually seen you guys and I just didn't know it. Absolutely.
00:53:28
Speaker
You probably have. I feel like I was at the Coliseum with her. So this was a while ago. Like when you first started to see her. It was like 10 years or maybe even like 12 years ago that I went to see her. Yeah, you might have. weve You probably were. You probably did see it. We probably were there together. Yeah, I feel like we moved here to Vegas because Brett started La Rev at The Wynn, which is still one of my favorite shows ever. um And like for me, I feel like I definitely lived a whole different life.
00:53:56
Speaker
10 years ago, I used to dance for a music artists and do a lot of like backup dancing. And so... Um, yeah, I think we're getting a little older now, but, um, but that's what's been really cool too, is like, yeah, we have been in the same place at the same time. Even like Lori had pictures and videos of when she came to see drag race live and I was in them, which was one fun.
00:54:17
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Um, so yeah, so definitely it's kind of crazy. I love that you had seen both of them. Yeah. Yes. They were so good too. So what are you guys doing now? What, what's your life like in Vegas?
00:54:30
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And is it like 1 million degrees right now? It is. I don't let this. It's a 1 million and 1. It's because he's wearing the same. Oh, he had a black shirt on and I was like, we can't believe we wear black shirts. And our dog is here, so.
00:54:44
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We were both wearing striped shirts and I had to go change. You get it. You get it. It's a million degrees. um I'm at Ka still. And we're just kind of like surviving this summer. and Yeah, he's a he's at Ka. I've been freelancing.
00:55:00
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So I will be doing the Work the World tour, I think. the North America one that's going to happen a month and a half, I think, something like that. And then besides that, we've been freelancing. I think the best thing about The Amazing Race is recognizing that like it's been fun to see that we kind of have some other talents that we'd like to explore, like, um you know, besides just performing on stage. So um I don't know what we're working on. We're kind of just manifesting and seeing...
00:55:26
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um having fun and and seeing like what opportunities could be available. Because we like working together. we like having fun together. So um yeah, so for now he's in Ka. I'm freelancing. I think i'm gonna do the Work the World Tour and then i don't know. We'll see what next year has to bring.
00:55:42
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We're open. We're open to whatever the universe has to offer next. yeah I guess the hard part about being a performer is like you always ask yourself what's next and then you have an existential crisis and then you just keep performing and then you'll be like, you know what? We'll figure it out. yeah We'll figure it out. So um I think that's kind of like a you know performer's life. So yeah, but that's what we're doing for now.
00:56:08
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that's very unique i'm not familiar with that lifestyle but i love your guys's attitude about it um if you ever want to escape the heat and come to utah we'll take you up to the mountains there's lots to do and see here we've been in utah quite a bit actually yeah we have we love it's beautiful a great place we're like near provo central utah how far away is that from salt lake Like an hour, less than an hour.
00:56:32
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Is it north or south? South, yeah. So we're it's like a five-hour drive to Vegas from where we are. Oh, nice. pleasure Yeah, because we've been there. We went and saw Campetras there. We had friends who had lived there. We've gone there for snow a couple times. you've taken our dog up there. feel like we've been to Utah quite a bit. it's like but and And it's gorgeous. yeah You're absolutely correct. We love it, yeah. meing It's absolutely stunning. So who did we just talk to?
00:56:57
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A guy, didn't he live in Provo? Provo? He's doing the the Queer Economy podcast. And we just talked to him. Ben, he was in Utah as well. I think he was in Provo. Yeah, he in Utah. That was a couple days ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:57:10
Speaker
I haven't heard that one. Yeah, we'll have to ask you about that. He just started it. He just started it. He just started it. So, yeah. So, we'll fly our past to Utah again. We will let you all know. Yeah. Yeah. We come to Vegas for lots of things. Every so often. Yeah. Oh, as well. Let us know.
00:57:26
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Yeah. That'd be great. Well, we could keep talking to you forever, which there's so much that we would love to know. I know there's so many things I'd still love talk about. Well, if we ever want to, if they ever do like ah an episode recap, we'd be happy to recap in an episode with y'all sometime or something like that. yeah so We would love that. We did that with um James, the winner of 32, James Wallington.
00:57:54
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He like did an episode recap in like a place that they had been. Like it was an India episode for... that season because he'd been to India. So we'll, we'll reach out. theres If there's one that's appropriate, you let me know. And you know what? yeah And i can end with a really fun story that, you know, yeah I don't know is that James and I actually met when we both worked at universal studios in Grinchmas at this point, it might've been 18 years ago.
00:58:23
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17, maybe like 15 years ago, probably, no, 14. I'm getting, I'm so old, I don't know. It was probably like 14 years ago. Like 14 years ago, we both worked at Grinchmas and we actually became friends because we both were huge fans The Amazing Race.
00:58:40
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And we both said, one day we're going to be on The Amazing Race. And then he us in different directions. yeah And then I saw that he had gone on it and he won. And I told him I was going to apply and I did and we got on.
00:58:53
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And then so we kind of got to bond and reconnect because we both actually made it on the show. But like, I mean, I didn't have a lot of friends that we became friends because we both love The Amazing Race and said that we were going to do it. um But that's how we met. We became friends and then it came full circle this year, which was kind of crazy. That's so awesome. That's really interesting. yeah It's like a tight little community that you guys have and I love it. Exactly. yeah but when He's great. We love James. yeah Yeah, he's fun.
00:59:19
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Yeah, so. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate you taking a Friday night, you know. Of course. Happy to. Thanks for having us. Have fun on your dog date and we'll we'll talk to you later. Thank you. was so nice to talk to y'all. Yeah.
00:59:35
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Thank you. Bye.