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Understanding Skin Care – a conversation with Chris Gibson
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Skin care is more than aesthetics. Understanding how your skin works can help you understand your mental and physical health.
Chris Gibson have over 35 years’ experience in skincare. He is the ingredient formulator known as "America's Holistic Esthetician,” who focuses on positive daily habits like clean eating and non-invasive skincare.
More than 500,000 people subscribe to the Chris Gibson Live show on YouTube which has over 1,600 episodes.
Chris also produces his own range of skincare products Clear Revolution Skincare.
In this episode of the Abeceder health and well-being podcast Fit For My Age, Chris describes his own skincare journey to host Michael Millward. Their conversation covers
· The impact and treatment of teenage acne
· How his diet impacted the condition of his skin
· Adopting a more holistic approach to life
· Publishing a book Acne Free in Three Days
· The different factors that impact skin condition
· Skin condition as a signpost to other health issues
· How to raise a skin health concern with your doctor
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Introduction to 'Fit for My Age' Podcast
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Meet Chris Gibson
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Hello and welcome to Fit for My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysida.
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I am Michael Millward, the managing director of Abysida. Today I am learning about skincare from Chris Gibson, who is a licensed esthetician.
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and skincare formulator with over 37 years experience and the founder of Clear Revolution Skincare.
Chris's Personal Acne Story
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Chris started his skincare career because he had a personal battle against severe cystic acne.
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After years of trying conventional treatments without success and enduring bouts of depression and anxiety, Chris turned to a more natural, integrative approach to skincare and diet.
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This brought lasting results and ultimately led to his best-selling book Acne Free in Three Days, which has sold over a million copies and changed lives around the world.
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Chris is based in Florida, a sunshine state. I've been to Florida and I would go
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and also one that will be well worth telling your friends, family and work colleagues about.
Exploring Unconventional Skincare
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Very importantly, on Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think.
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Hello, Chris. Hey, how are you? I am extremely well, thank you very much, and I hope that you can say the same. i can, yes. Pleased to hear it. Could we start, please, by you expanding a little bit on that skincare journey that you've been on and Tell us a little bit about when your interest became a passion and then your career.
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As you mentioned, I had acne as a young age. It was something that a lot of folks in my family had had. And so the the focus was to keep me from getting acne scars. So off to the dermatology we went. This started when i was about 11 years old.
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We tried to jump on it really soon, but it was, we managed it. Typical approaches, antibiotics every morning, which were not fun. Drying skincare lotions, benzoyl peroxide. A lot of that has not changed, by the way. This is in the late 70s, early 80s.
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I kept dealing with it and dealing with it and I wanted to be on television is a as a weather guy, broadcaster, and they kept telling me, you got to clear your skin up, you know, people notice that. and It was very frustrating. So spent the money to go to yet one more dermatologist. I was 23 years old and went in the office and had the same conversation I've had a million times.
Root Causes vs. Symptoms in Acne Treatment
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and was given a prescription for the same stuff I'd been using for a million years. and I paid the bill, tossed that in the trash and decided there had to be something else that would work. It sounds like the treatment that you were being prescribed was more about dealing with the symptoms rather than the cause. Yeah. And the antibiotics truly was the idea was that it would lower the amount of bacteria on your skin and, and, and they did help to some degree, but you know, I still was dealing with it and you know, though I had hung on forever that I would outgrow it.
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Cause that's the other thing they tell you. Yes. And I did not. don't, I don't grow it. I talked to a friend who was into herbs and stuff, and I went to a, this is before we had all the things we have now, like the vitamin shop. So all of the herbal and supplement stuff was usually in an occult store that did new age stuff as well. Very snake oil.
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We say that, that it's snake oil type of things, but what we call conventional medicine now is like 100, 150 years old, and yet these Traditional remedies go back thousands of years.
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Yeah.
Holistic Skincare and Diet
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You know, I had to go to this place is in a ah dilapidated shopping center at the very end. And went in there and talked to the lady who ran it. And she suggested I take to Hibo, which is a tease from a bark.
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It's an Incan South American tree bark. Mm-hmm. So I took that and she said, it's going to make it worse and then it will get start to get better. So I took it and it made it worse.
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well It did get start to get better. But what more importantly, what happened was a light bulb went off. I'm like, wait a minute. If I'm eating something and it's making it worse, maybe I'm eating something that's making it happen. Yes. started doing a little bit more digging. I came across a book by Edgar Cayce about apple fasting for people to detox. That's the first time I'd heard of any of this stuff. So I went on this fast.
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And guess what? The acne went away. Three days later, not a bump, not a red mark, not a spot, no inflammation, nothing left over. Like those lesions would take forever to heal.
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And I went, now I'm afraid to eat anything. I figured out that when I ate things that were full of refined sugar, I had the issue come back. Never came back as bad. So I learned that you know I could actually see inflammation start in my skin. So I cut sugar out of my diet.
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refined sugar for, I mean, even today i have a very low, what would we consider a low to no sugar, refined sugar diet. Doesn't mean I don't have a cookie or a piece of cake somewhere along the way, but that's not a daily thing. If I bust it during the holidays, if I start eating a lot of chocolate that's sweet, not like dark chocolate, but if I just get into the the really processed candies and stuff, I will get a bump or two on my face. They'll come back.
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So right there, i was fascinated that that worked. I was fascinated that food could play that big a role. in course, now, you know, we know about this. We know that sugar causes eczema flare-ups. It it does the same for psoriasis. Too much sugar. Glycation is what we call that of sugar molecules in your bloodstream will set that stuff off. Everybody has acne bacteria on their skin. It's the bacteria that helps break down the oil we produce.
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If it weren't there, we would be oil slicks. Yes. So this bacteria lives on our skin. It digests that oil and keeps things in balance. But unfortunately for some people, and because I had been on antibiotics so long, I had a yeast, an internal yeast infection in my digestive system.
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My immune system was reacting to that bacteria as the enemy and creating the bump. So that's the scientific divide of how that process was working. So when I took the sugar away, yeast can't survive without it.
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And went on the fast and cleaned up my diet. I removed the triggers for that problem. That's the mechanism. That's what got it all started. Then I was just fascinated and I dug into all sorts of things and yeah learned to be an esthetician, a holistic esthetician that approached health and wellness and skincare from that holistic perspective.
Identifying Personal Acne Triggers
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When you talk about the sugar and the yeast, you're talking about your personal skincare issues. We shouldn't necessarily think that everyone who has acne, removing sugar from their diet would solve it for them. It could be
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something else, which is the trigger for them. Right. and And the book, you mentioned Acting Free in Three Days, was not about how to, it was about what happened. Yeah. After the book came out, there were people that found that nitrates in processed meats like sausages and pepperoni were a trigger.
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Altered dairy, especially for women, can be a trigger, especially for on... adult onset acne. If you've not had acne your whole life and suddenly you're having it, your hormones are adjusting to your age and your oil levels are changing and your body's reacting to that. Again, that bacteria is the key because that's what your immune system is seeing as an infection.
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The trigger can come from different things. One person I worked with, we figured out was allergic to the chemicals in the dry cleaning fluid he was having his suits cleaned in. ah He was touching his clothing and then touching his skin. We touch our face up to 42 times an hour. It's how we get colds and flu and everything else. And his skin was reacting to that.
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the lesson is is that if you're not getting anywhere with the medications you have to go deeper yes unless you just want to put up with it you know i didn't want to put up with it i literally felt at war with myself over it like like my body was betraying me yeah it can be debilitating in so many different ways to have what people might say ah it's just a couple of spots but actually it's more than the spot it is the impact that it has upon your confidence as well exactly Well, and our faces are calling card. And for so many years, people associated acne with not being clean or in poor health.
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And you don't necessarily have to be in poor health. I know a lot of people I've worked with that were extremely diligent in their fitness and all their biomarkers were fine, but they were dealing with the skin issues. And yeah it's all connected, but any one human can't read too much in anything. Just like any one product doesn't work for everybody. Yeah.
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You've got to understand your own body.
Balancing Sun Exposure and Skin Health
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Yeah, any one medication doesn't have the same impact on every single person. so So that's all very true. Yeah. It reminded me about a TV program that I saw, which was made by the journalist Clive James, who's no longer with us, unfortunately. But he was talking about growing up in Australia and being skinny and spotty. And then one summer, he was allowed to spend the summer basically at the beach.
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The sunshine cleared up his acne for him. Oh yeah. Sunshine and salt air. Yes. People don't realize salt is a natural antibiotic, antimicrobial. That's why you could salt meat and it doesn't go bad.
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Being near the sea with that salt air and salt water and sunshine, absolutely a lot of people do get a lot of relief and a lot of issues. Yes. But there's a balance. We need to be in the sunshine. It's the great source of vitamin but it's actually can be quite damaging to our skin as well. And it's like,
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What would be the early stage signs that you're getting too much of the sunshine? Well, sunburn is going to be the the number one. Some people could be in the sun for 20 minutes and they're fine.
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Another person could be in the sun for 20 minutes and they're a lobster the next day. They're red. Yes. You really have to judge what your body is, what your ethnicity, your ancestry is going to play a big role in how much sun you can handle for how long.
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Like if you are Mediterranean or let's say South African or you you were raised... Several generations, like my family in the South, Mississippi and Texas, over the years, the body adapts and evolves as you have children, just just like we have children being born now. I was one of those that have no wisdom teeth. The body is very adaptable, but you don't want excessive sunburns or excessive tanning over excessive time periods of years because that damage accumulates. Right.
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So a person that has a small amount of DNA damage from sun exposure naturally going to look better than someone who has been baking for years and years and years. i mean, we see that here in Florida with the beaches all the time. You can see people who have been...
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Living there their whole lives, their skin is, they don't get skin cancer, oddly enough. They don't wear it, but their skin is adapted, but it also doesn't look what we would consider to be very healthy. It's you know very leathery, very dry. So again, your body's going to adapt to your environment over time.
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What we know scientifically is you need about 15 minutes a day minimum of sunshine on your skin to produce the amount of vitamin D that you need. When you say on your skin, does that mean you need to be outside at the moment? We're talking in January.
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Yeah, outside. If you can, i don't ah don't think sun lamps are great. They don't produce a lot of vitamin D and they can damage your skin. But what we tell folks now is if you live where you can't do that,
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then you want to make sure you're supplementing your vitamin D through your diet and supplementation. So vitamin D3 is the vitamin D we're talking about because there's a few variations of vitamin D. The vitamin D3 is the one that protects against cancer, helps to manage the calcium levels in your body, get the calcium into your bones.
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and places in your collagen production rather than in your arteries and calcification on the brain as we get older. And the medical community at large has begun recommending those supplements to people, especially the ladies who go through menopause and lose so much of that bone mass in that process. So vitamin D3 and k two very helpful. But for general health, a little bit of sunshine early morning, late afternoon, not two o'clock in the afternoon in Florida. Yes.
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It really is such an individualized thing that the the lesson is to take note of what you need and what affects you yourself personally, and then work with that and work with the science that gives you guideposts.
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guidance that says you need some sun every day. If you're in a situation where you're not, you need to have your vitamin D levels check. Those tests are not very expensive anymore because it's such a big thing that for a change, scientific community and the medical community have met an agreement that the benefits of making sure your vitamin D levels are managed properly are just yes outweigh any risk of 15 minutes of sunshine. Yeah, we've got to understand our own bodies, right not compare ourselves to other people. Exactly. And this is how they do it, so we should do it the same way. It's like, yeah, learn from lessons that other people have learned. Yeah, let the science guide you and then test it for yourself.
Skin Changes as Health Indicators
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Before they saw the problems really occur, are there any minor symptoms that we can spot on our faces of of any sort of wider health conditions? Because i understand that you know the condition of your skin is an indicator of or can be can be an indicator of other health conditions yeah sudden rashes that you're not used to having itchiness redness the sudden showing up of like eczema eczema or a psoriasis issue is always good to go and get checked out and make sure you don't have anything else going on the liver
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kidneys, pancreas, and your digestive system as a whole can usually show up on the skin quite quickly. If you think about people who get liver diseases, their skin often changes color. Yes. Anytime you see something odd that's not normal, that's not a temporary, a very temporary thing, you should investigate. Just the same thing with any mole or spot on your skin that looks weird. Mm-hmm.
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that wasn't there before or and i'm not talking about sun spots from aging from that type of sun damage i'm talking about like something that's blistery or peely or red or inflamed or seems to be growing give them check those things need to be checked do the medical profession take these things seriously if you've got like this little blemish do they it's the feedback you've got from clients that they take it seriously If you go in and you say, I've never had this problem before, yes. Right. Or I have this weird spot that's not going away.
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So it's clearly not like a pimple or something or an ingrown hair. It's it's a spot and it's angry. They're going to pay attention to that. You've got to use the right words to explain. You do. what it is. And it's like, yeah, this is a mark on my skin. Yeah. And same thing. If you suddenly start having acne breakouts yeah and you like try changing detergent, because as we get older, our skin sensitivities can change.
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So something that never bothered you before might bother you now. Yes. All of those things you have to take into account and your medical professionals should be taking that into account. But yes, you're right. Language choice is everything.
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Doctors generally don't remember that you've never had acne. ah I mean, they don't remember every face. Most people probably have this experience if you're anywhere near of the age I am now, that you go to see someone and it's not until they open your chart that they even remember anything. Yes, they see so many people every day. Yeah, they have to look at notes.
Advocacy in Medical Appointments
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So you have to be willing to speak up. And if you're not comfortable, take an advocate with you. Yes. Like a friend or a relative, because we all get white coat syndrome. Like sometimes you go in and you're like, I don't even remember why I'm here.
00:17:15
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Or you forget to ask stuff. If you take someone who you've spoken to about this stuff, since they're not the one being examined, yeah they're not going to get white coat syndrome and forget their entire list of questions. Yes.
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It's always useful to have a piece of paper and a pencil. And as you are noticing the symptoms, write them down. yeah that's the other thing. At any time. And then you've got some of the, what you might call evidence to actually explain why it is that you are concerned about something.
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I learned this lesson with my mom when she was getting older. She had these issues and she would come back. I'm like, well, what did they do about that? Well, he didn't do anything about that. So after that's a third or fourth time, i said, why don't I go with you? yeah And of course I'm like going, I could see where this was happening and I would interject. Yes. May I interject became, I'm sure of that medical professionals most hated phrase. I think they probably quite and welcomed it really. Yeah, no, yeah. Because then they start to get to the real cause of the issues.
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It did. I'm like, Mom, remember you did this or you remember this happened? Oh, yeah, that did happen. And like, see, why don't i remember to say that? Because you're the one being examined. It's like being on a on anything that puts you on the spot. Your mind's going to go blank. Yes. It's just the way it works. yeah And of course, you're always you're nervous as well about what the doctor might say because of the information that you have given them. Of course. So there's all sorts of various different things. If you are concerned about anything, I suppose, you can take somebody along with you.
00:18:46
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take the information about it is you are concerned and make sure that you you can tick everything off that you need to talk about. Yeah, because then you're going to have less anxiety, which could be yeah cyclical and making you unwell. Yes. um Anxiety is not going to be helpful at all.
Stress and Skin Issues
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Yeah, because we're talking about physical health and the impact that that can have on your skin. But I suppose as well that if you have stress, depression, anxiety, any of those mental health conditions, those could also potentially have and a negative impact on your skin as well.
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Yeah. I mean, ask anybody who's dealt with acne. They have a wedding to go to, a picture to be made, suddenly they have a breakout. Ah, so you can, your skin can be clear. You've got to do something which creates the stress and then the stress. Yeah, the stress. Yeah, stress raises cortisol and insulin resistance, which causes more glycation, which causes more issues in the skin, sensitivity, which makes the immune system react. It's all like a chain reaction.
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And boom, suddenly you've got a breakout. Now you're nervous about the breakout. Yes. So yes, those things really do happen. You know, people used to joke about that. Oh, I'm getting married in a week. Watch, I'll have a breakout. I'm like, don't say that.
00:20:00
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Self-fulfilling prophecies, I suppose. Yes, of course. Listening to you, explaining them sort of removes the anxiety about the anything. It's just having the information about it helps to relieve the stress of what might or might not happen.
00:20:19
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Yeah. And it's really hard for folks that are, i mean, you know, we have all Gen Z, we have all these names for people, but the the basics are the same. Teenagers are fraught.
00:20:30
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Yes. Anyway, for everyone, my whole focus when the book was out for those guys, and there are people that were in their twenties that read that book that still follow me on YouTube. now that they're in their 40s and I'm 60. So they're like, they've been following me that long.
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And they're just like, I look back on how I felt about myself over that. I can't believe it was like that. and I'm like, and it's like that for everybody. Yeah. But that is what you have done. Yeah. You feel like you're competing with everybody to look good, to be popular, to be smart. you All your insecurities aren't, you're not to the point where you don't care. When you get to 40, you don't care. Yeah. don't care anymore it's like whatever you know i get ah if i like i had a bump on my you know do youtube i'm on camera probably 35 hours a week filming so i had a bump come up on my cheek which i don't usually have those very often and i'm like well that's not good so i got the spot treater out and i treated it and then i'm like whatever i'm like
00:21:34
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Is there an occasion for me to talk about it during a video? I will. You may have noticed this that's mark on my cheek. Believe it or not, that's a zit. But even at 60, my body has decided it wants to do that. And I'm like, okay.
Clear Revolution Skin Care Philosophy
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yeah But I know enough not to bother it, not to hurry the process. So literally with a spot treater that had camphor and salicylic acid, it was gone in a day.
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But it looked pretty angry the day before. Right. I was like going, yay, i forgot about those. I'm sure it was. But what you've done is gone from your own knowledge building journey to sharing that knowledge with other people. And then you've gone into creating the actual products that you've been talking about. So this company that you formed, Clear Revolution Skin Care, what sort of products are you producing?
00:22:29
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I love this question. As a formulist, I understand the scientific molecule breakdowns of many ingredients. In fact, on the channel, I talk about a lot of commercial skincare ingredients and review them. So not all, just because something is commercially produced and it it's not using the botanical name doesn't mean it's bad.
00:22:49
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What I wanted to do was to be able to have products that use the botanical scientific name for the ingredients that were in them without fillers, without denatured alcohol, which is very dry to the skin, without parabens, without pithylates, without sulfates and sulfites and other the things that tended to really affect people's skin and especially people with sensitive skin.
00:23:15
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So I wanted ingredients that would work and give really great results. For instance, Bacucci oil, which is an extract from a plant that gives similar results to Tretinoin, but doesn't turn your skin red, doesn't make it peel. a lot of people can't handle Tretinoin. I used it for years. Don't need anymore. I use Bacucci oil.
00:23:34
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Because I would get that on my eyelids by mistake, you know, stuff travels on your skin and my eyelids would peel. It was horrible. Even though the rest of my skin looked amazing using a retinoid.
00:23:45
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I mean, it did. So I wanted to have products that worked across skin types that were the only fragrance involved was the natural fragrance from the great ingredients that were in them. So, and I'm not the only formulas to do that. There are some, there's some, even some celebrity lines. I think Jennifer Lopez has one that's based on olive oil, all of her stuff, but I wanted to stay away from the commercialized preservatives fillers.
00:24:11
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So I guess where it's different is that, and that obviously I use this stuff myself more. So as I've said many times on the channel, it's always going to come down no matter what I'm talking about to ingredients and effectiveness over brand name and price.
00:24:27
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There are some $300 creams out there. Are they great? Yeah. Do you need to pay $300 for them? Probably not. But sometimes people buy into the history or the prestige of a product and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:24:41
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um And truly from a belief system standpoint, if you believe a $300 cream is going to treat your skin better than a $50 version, potentially we have seen you know where that's the case.
00:24:55
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Whereas there's no reason for that to be there other than the person just believes in it so much. There's a very complicated relationship with skin and products, and it's overwhelming. There's so many products.
00:25:11
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I cannot live long enough to review all of them. yeah Even if I make it to 100, no way. There's just an everyday more is coming out. I wanted to really focus on ingredients.
00:25:23
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It's an option. i don't push that line on the channel. I talk about it every once a while. If we bring something new out that I really like, I talk about it.
Affordability in Skincare
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Even my own my own formulations fall under the same guidelines of review as anything else I review. Labs here for me, if we're going to change a formula or we find something better, then we'll do that, which is a really nice luxury to have and to make it affordable.
00:25:47
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That was the other thing, because so much of this stuff is so overpriced. Yes, there's a good knock-up in beauty industry. i call it eye roll overpriced done that in some of my videos yeah this is a great product but when it comes to price they know if they see the eye roll they're like uh oh yeah your range is available on your website is it stocked in anywhere or is it direct to consumer by your website yes only on the website we're not in retail stores but we do ship everywhere right okay we will put a link in the description
00:26:19
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clear revolution, skincare.com. It's yeah so so that's just what it is. It's very popular. So when people go to look for it in a browser, it doesn't matter what country you're in. It pops up. Great stuff.
00:26:30
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Just because it is because of the YouTube channel. Yeah. so because it's something I'm dealing with. Great. Thank you very much, Chris. it's It's been very interesting. I really have enjoyed it and I've learned a lot. Thank you. Well, thank you for having me here. you're Great.
00:26:44
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I am Michael Millward, managing director of Abusida. And in this episode of Fit For My Age, I have been having a conversation with Chris Gibson, who is a licensed esthetician and skincare formulator with over 37 years experience and the founder of Clear Revolution Skin Care.
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As you would expect, there is a link and a discount code in the description. I am sure that you will have enjoyed listening to this episode of Fit For My Age as much as Chris and I have enjoyed making it.
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Remember, the aim of all the podcasts produced by Abbasida is not to tell you what to think, but we do hope to have made you think. Until the next episode of Fit For My Age, thank you for listening and goodbye.