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SPECIAL! Winter Weather Outlook Spectacular with The WeatherPros!
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The guys sit down with Rob Guarino and Nick Psomaris of The WeatherPros for their Annual Winter Weather Outlook episode! Listen in to hear what The WeatherPros think is coming for your area this winter!
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Introduction & Expert Guests
00:00:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Here we go, Snow Jobs Nation. We are back bringing you your winter weather spectacular with the weather bros. This is obviously our favorite episode of the year to do.
00:00:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
We have a great time with these guys.
00:00:43
RICK JAMES
ah
00:00:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
This episode will tell you exactly what is coming for your area in the country. So immediately after listening, you can start sending invoices. It's a guaranteed take it to the bank.
00:00:54
RICK JAMES
Yes.
00:00:55
Rob
Yes.
00:00:56
RICK JAMES
Locks. We're going to have some locks.
00:00:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
locked
00:00:58
Rob
Lox. That's the big thing. Not lox bagels.
00:00:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh god but seriously guys this is your winter weather outlook and the weather pros are here we got nick samaris and rob garino they do a great job they are really good at what they do um they've been tremendous for the show they always come on and help us out every year doing this and uh we're looking forward to having them and hear what uh i mean they're gonna tell jeremy uh some news they got
00:01:22
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:01:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
We got some news for Jay, so we're looking forward to it.
00:01:23
RICK JAMES
Ooh.
00:01:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
They do an awesome job. So listen up, and we'll have fun beating each other up for a while and see how it turns out. Boys, how are we, Rob and Nick?
00:01:34
Rob
Great.
00:01:34
Nick Psomaras
What's going on, guys? How we doing? I've been looking forward to this one, I'll tell you that i've been looking forward to this one.
00:01:36
Rob
Yeah.
00:01:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
How's it going? Absolutely. We got to do this more often, but you guys, nobody really on this show cares about summer, so we don't really need you in the summer.
00:01:45
Rob
No.
00:01:45
Nick Psomaras
That's true.
00:01:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:01:46
Nick Psomaras
That is true.
00:01:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ha ha ha ha ha.
00:01:46
RICK JAMES
yeah ah
00:01:48
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:01:48
Rob
And we don't need you guys in the summer.
00:01:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
00:01:50
Rob
Yeah.
00:01:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly. Exactly right.
00:01:52
RICK JAMES
but Exactly.
00:01:53
Nick Psomaras
It is a two-way street. It's a two-way street for sure.
00:01:54
RICK JAMES
That's it.
00:01:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
00:01:55
RICK JAMES
Definitely.
00:01:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
How's the knee, Nick?
00:01:58
Nick Psomaras
It's all right. I mean, you put me on that little cryo thing that didn't work, but, you know, ah.
00:02:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, it works if you buy the actual thing and don't get a Chinese knockoff on Amazon. It works great.
00:02:07
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, I got an $85 one from like Taiwan and it didn't make my knee cold.
00:02:07
Rob
Yep. Yep.
00:02:11
Nick Psomaras
But, you know, we're just using we're using standard ice to try to numb it down.
00:02:13
RICK JAMES
Oh.
00:02:16
Nick Psomaras
Not able to walk yet, but we'll get there soon. So we're getting there.
00:02:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
I can't believe in this day and age that you're having an orthoscopic surgery or any reconstructive surgery on a, on a joint. And they're not automatically writing you a script for a cryo cuff.
00:02:29
Nick Psomaras
They didn't say a word. They gave me my, they gave me the Percocets and I say, get out of here and go have your, go, go enjoy your life.
00:02:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Dude.
00:02:35
Nick Psomaras
I'm like, oh, great. ah
00:02:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
that's crazy because that's dude that's literally a lifesaver that you know when you have major surgery like acl or or you get screws and anchors put in like that will seriously take a lot of the pain and keep it manageable i can't believe they didn't do it but i'm glad you're feeling a little bit better and uh you know you had nothing else you should be very accurate this year because you got
00:02:37
RICK JAMES
Yeah,
00:02:38
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:02:45
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:02:51
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
Weather Bus & AI Impact
00:02:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
nothing else to do but sit there and look at screens right
00:02:58
RICK JAMES
yes studying the what study the weather.
00:03:01
Nick Psomaras
and Just wait until I can start walking. I'll start ignoring calls. I'll be outside. leg.
00:03:06
Rob
know, guys, see Nick is kind of faking the industry because he I asked him to drive the weather bus that we just got. And it was his way of getting out of driving.
00:03:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, tell us about the van, the the the camper.
00:03:12
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:03:14
Rob
My leg, my leg.
00:03:15
RICK JAMES
What's the weather bus?
00:03:16
Nick Psomaras
i leg
00:03:16
RICK JAMES
What's the weather weather bus about?
00:03:18
Rob
So guys, you know we we thought about it for a couple of years and you know ah people may not know the the full ah range of things we do at the Weather Pros. We also teach weather in schools. ah We get the PTA and we get some grants from some states, particularly New Jersey, and they pay us to come in.
00:03:34
Rob
And the bus is pretty cool because it's if you guys know RVs, it's a toy hauler where you put your your you know your toys in the back, your golf cart and stuff.
00:03:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
I bet.
00:03:41
RICK JAMES
hu
00:03:42
Rob
And we turned that into a green screen studio so the kids can kind of reenact like they're on TV like I used to do and They have a lot of fun with it. And then there's a tent and a ramp that comes out the back that's a handicap.
00:03:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
i bet
00:03:52
Rob
We set it up.
00:03:53
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, the have the the the ramp is for Nick.
00:03:56
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:03:56
Nick Psomaras
Yep.
00:03:56
Rob
yeah crys for nick is It's Nick's ramp.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:03:58
Rob
It's got a little sign on it.
00:03:58
Nick Psomaras
It's my ramp.
00:03:59
Rob
isn't nick
00:03:59
Nick Psomaras
Yep.
00:04:00
Rob
and And then we have a tent. And the kids get to learn about the largest hailstone. They, you know, we had printers of stuff. They get to see real weather instruments and lightning struck sand.
00:04:10
Rob
They get to see it, smell it, see what it was like. It's really fun. It's a very visual thing for the kids. Uh, and we go up and down the East coast. Eventually we're going to get a couple more buses and go out West, but, um, also for Simon and a lot of guys listening, go to that show and in the regional shows that we see you guys at, we'll be at a lot of those shows in 2026.
00:04:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:04:27
Rob
And come on by. We're going make it a little, a lot of fun, almost like a tailgate as we were talking and come by, get a beverage, get some food and just learn about some of the new things we're doing. And honestly, the big changes this year, it's probably the most in weather is probably the social media madness and AI.
00:04:43
RICK JAMES
us
00:04:44
Rob
AI is everywhere.
00:04:44
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:04:46
Rob
And I was speaking at a national home watch show in Orlando about a month ago. And, um, Three out of the five speakers, it was AI related. So these are the things we'll talk about in the next hour or so.
00:04:57
Rob
And but the bus will be fun. we'll We'll have it all over the place. You guys will see it. Everyone's going to get to come on by and check it out. And then I live in the front end when I'm on the road with it. It's ah it's basically a 40-foot RV that we converted into that.
00:05:09
Rob
So it's a lot of
00:05:09
Nick Psomaras
i'll be ah i'll be I'll be checking IDs.
00:05:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God.
00:05:11
Nick Psomaras
So any of your employees that are under 21, I'm sorry, you're not allowed on the bus. You can stay in the back, but if you're not you're not allowed in the front of the bus.
00:05:16
RICK JAMES
Well, alice I was to say, I don't think, Nick, you get to go close to school, do you?
00:05:18
Nick Psomaras
just' saying.
00:05:23
Nick Psomaras
No, I'm not allowed to. that's what Why do you think I'm injured?
00:05:25
RICK JAMES
hu
00:05:25
Rob
Oh, yes.
00:05:26
Nick Psomaras
Why do you think I got injured?
00:05:26
RICK JAMES
ah
00:05:27
Nick Psomaras
They don't let me there.
00:05:28
Rob
No wonder he has to do all the schools in New Jersey. Yeah.
00:05:30
Nick Psomaras
yeah No, they don't let me.
00:05:30
RICK JAMES
ah
00:05:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
god
00:05:32
Nick Psomaras
They don't let me within 25 feet of it.
00:05:34
RICK JAMES
the
00:05:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's great to have you guys. We're glad you're back. And that's, uh, that's awesome, man. That's going to be cool to see that at Simon have a little tailgate party set up.
00:05:35
Rob
I think it's 50 feet now.
00:05:42
Rob
Absolutely.
00:05:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
I like it.
00:05:42
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:05:43
Rob
Absolutely.
00:05:43
RICK JAMES
Heck yeah.
00:05:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
like it a lot. And the, uh, the, the measuring rulers that all snow guys are waiting for.
00:05:44
Rob
um
00:05:49
Rob
Yeah, we had a little problem with the printing because as you see, I wear glasses and it was blurry and I thought it was me. But because it's it's by the tenth of an inch, the ruler, you've got to have it really precise. And the printing just wasn't right. And honestly, they had a little bit of sponsorship on there and the sponsors didn't want to do it too early because they thought guys would lose them because we were going to ship them out in September. So we're about ready to do it now. Most guys haven't gotten snow yet or gotten very little. And it's going to have a QR code that you can just simply click with your phone and give us your total.
00:06:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
nice
00:06:17
Rob
It's very simple interactive ruler.
00:06:18
RICK JAMES
Nice.
00:06:18
Rob
So if you buy the service with us, you get them. We will sell them on the side. If you decide you don't want our service or using somebody else, we're cool with that too.
00:06:27
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:06:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
cool cool love it all right so where do you want to start with winter weather here what ah what anything we can talk about
00:06:27
RICK JAMES
Cool. Yeah. Where's jet stream?
00:06:35
Rob
Well, I thought we'd start ah with this AI stuff and then go into the winter forecast because it's um something that I've done a lot of research on and Nick does as well.
00:06:35
RICK JAMES
where's the jet stream
00:06:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:06:44
Rob
And you know AI is really interesting with the weather models, particularly this European model that that has really been the king. And we really watched it. So what they did was they took these weather models that most plow guys know what they are, weather models by now, the names, lingos, and they injected this AI you know technology And you kind of think of it this way as, um you know when you go down the road and you see a kid with a ball in his yard, you know by now from past experience, that kid might throw the ball, may come out in the street and you stop. And that's how i relate AI to where in the past, the weather models only know what's in front of them.
00:07:20
Rob
What's going to come ahead where AI now can take the last 50 years past storms and learn from past storms to make a better forecast? So it's kind of like us as adults. We know going down a neighborhood street that that kid that's sit in the yard, the ball may come out and you slow down.
00:07:36
Rob
And it's kind of like how i relate AI. AI is learning always constantly from past experiences. And that's about the best way to analyze this and say the analogy is that AI learned storms and will get better and better.
00:07:49
Rob
Are they perfect? No, i I even think compared to the hurricane season, which we do a lot of stuff with emergency management in the areas that get hurricanes. And it was, I mean, scary spot on this year.
00:08:02
Rob
i mean, granted, nothing really hit the US, as you know, but it was scary spot on with the Jamaica storm.
00:08:03
RICK JAMES
Wow.
00:08:07
Rob
Some of them had brushed by on the East Coast. ah There really wasn't much in the Gulf, but I was really telling Nick and and our team, you know jacked up about this, about this is really going to put us at the next level. But so far the last month, it's been okay. It's been better than the other models, but it's not something that,
00:08:26
Rob
we're there yet, that aa's AI is going to take over forecasting. It's just not there yet. I think there's too many small things locally, whether it's the mountains in the Hudson Valley where you're at, Steve, or how it works up by Jeremy with the patterns there, that it's going to be a while before we hand this off and say, OK, Nick and Rob don't have a job anymore.
00:08:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:08:44
Rob
That's going to be a while, you know, and we do more than just the forecast, as you know, the certified snow turtles and all that stuff.
00:08:44
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:08:50
Rob
But AI, it's going to be a big player this year. You're going to hear it a lot. um You know, you guys know you go on social media. It's just it's almost overwhelming now when you look at everybody's forecast on social media.
00:09:01
Rob
Everybody wants clicks. everybody wants viewers I did TV for a long time.
00:09:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:09:03
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:09:05
Rob
I feel like it's harder than ever if you want to browse around without a weather service to get something reliable. And people don't realize that apps only look at one model. but The programmers that make apps don't have the time or time the way to mesh them together and pick which one is best.
00:09:22
Nick Psomaras
Mm-hmm.
00:09:22
Rob
So, you know, not a knock on apps because there are a lot of good ones and a lot of short term apps are great. I'm not going to say they're not because we use them as well as meteorologists. But I think overall, you know, you're limited with all these tools without having a forecast company or a meteorologist actually take this stuff and analyze it because there's bad data, you know, with anything you guys even do in operations, you have a bad part for something, something doesn't work right.
00:09:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Interpreting. Yeah.
00:09:47
Rob
It's the same thing with weather. If bad data comes in on a particular storm, it's like having a you know missing spark plug on your truck. It's not going it may run, but it ain't going to work as perfect as it was with all the you know eight cylinders running.
00:09:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:09:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:09:58
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:09:58
Rob
So, you know, I think, you know, when I looked at this year versus a year ago, when we did this, the biggest things that stood out to me were the AI being injected in everything now and all the things we do, it's not even just weather to the social media, getting a little more out of control now with, you everybody you know trying to monetize on clicks.
00:10:17
Rob
So you look at one run and all of a sudden, one model run, all of a sudden they're running with that. you know
00:10:23
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, I think I honestly like when when winter ended in April of 2025, you kind of just shut yourself off from social media in terms of like looking at the weather because we got spring, summer. Obviously, we'll look at it for hurricane stuff. But, you know, you think it's getting better with the with the social media hype and people are maybe like toning it down.
00:10:41
Nick Psomaras
My goodness, right when November 1st hits, even October 15th, all these maps just start getting put out on Facebook and Twitter and people are using them.
00:10:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:10:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. He's out.
00:10:51
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, and it's like people are like, using them to like gather their equipment. It's just like, I don't blame some people because you know, they're not weathermen and they see that somebody posted it. So, okay, let's gather up our equipment. Let's get all of our bids and let's the things come in.
00:11:05
Nick Psomaras
And then i but I tell Steve all the time, it's one arbitrary model run. Six hours later, that run is that showed 12 to 24 inches now has all rain for, you know, Hudson Valley.
00:11:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:11:14
Nick Psomaras
So it gets worse every year, which is, you one negative side to our job, because we have to still tell people that don't look at that. We'll tell you when it's real. and And it actually has like legs.
00:11:25
Nick Psomaras
So.
00:11:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
And Nick, you know that you guys don't like being called weathermen.
00:11:26
Rob
Yeah.
00:11:31
Rob
Yeah.
00:11:32
RICK JAMES
into that one.
00:11:35
Nick Psomaras
ye The nurse practitioner over here.
00:11:37
Rob
Yes.
00:11:38
RICK JAMES
you yeah you walked into that one
00:11:38
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:11:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah He said it, not me.
00:11:40
Rob
I saw one of my favorite episodes, guys. do You guys watch Curb Your Enthusiasm?
00:11:43
Nick Psomaras
Nurse practitioner.
00:11:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
What's that?
00:11:45
Rob
Yeah. You guys watch Curb Enthusiasm?
00:11:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
00:11:47
Rob
you know Curb Your Enthusiasm, the weather episode.
00:11:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, Rob, does does AI, as it gets better and better, does that help you do your jobs better, or does that at one point start to hurt you and replace you guys?
00:11:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:11:59
Rob
um I think in time, we haven't tested it enough. So right now, to answer your question, Steve, I think in time it will help us better, but we have not really used it enough to say, ah like I said a minute ago, I don't think it's replaceable for a while.
00:12:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. Okay.
00:12:15
Rob
I think there's other elements in here that a plow company needs besides just a forecast. You know, you get certified snow total, starting in times, first and second.
00:12:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, sure. But I'm saying for the actual for the actual forecast, does is AI need you for still interpretation?
00:12:25
Rob
Yes, yes.
00:12:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Because it's still just producing a model. You guys still have to do your thing and use your intuition and experience to interpret what you're seeing, right?
00:12:30
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:12:36
Rob
Right.
00:12:36
Nick Psomaras
100%. Yeah.
00:12:37
Rob
AI makes it and we analyze it.
00:12:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Got it.
00:12:38
Rob
We analyze
00:12:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Got it.
00:12:39
Rob
Yeah.
00:12:40
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:12:40
Rob
AI's learning. You know, when i when I said a few minutes ago, AI kind of knows now past storms.
00:12:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:12:46
Rob
And each storm, it's kind of like a memory bank in your head. It's like, like I said, with the kid going down the street, ah the models now don't know that that ball might come out in the street. If that makes sense. AI's learning that kid went out in the street before and and that's how we slow down neighborhoods.
00:13:00
Rob
And if it makes sense that way, it's a great tool.
00:13:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it does.
00:13:03
Rob
And I think if you use it correctly, you'll be a better forecaster. at this point.
00:13:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
So with AI, i remember i remember this clearly, actually, you because you made a great point and you put it in into terms that me and a lot of other guys actually said, oh, shit, that makes sense.
00:13:07
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:13:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Last year, you said if a storm starts out on the West Coast and one bad piece of data gets plugged into those models, it's bad all the way across. um Does AI know that? Like, is AI going to be able to correct that or it's or it's going to be victim to that too?
00:13:32
Rob
I think it's still victims that right now.
00:13:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
00:13:34
Rob
I think in time, whoever's, um you know, programming this stuff, I don't know how AI, if their programs, how they work it, you know, the IT t side of it.
00:13:42
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:13:43
Rob
I think in time it will, right now it doesn't because that's why we're seeing like that storm that may come up to near Jeremy. I have not seen the consistency of the hurricane season that I'm seeing with the snow.
00:13:54
Rob
It's not the same.
00:13:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:13:55
Rob
So I think, Steve, yeah, it's still taking some of that bad data and trying to analyze it from the bad data, but it doesn't know it's bad data because that's a different thing than AI.
00:14:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:14:05
Nick Psomaras
Right. Yeah.
00:14:06
Rob
That's a mechanical thing. now You know what I mean that's that's Somebody has to come in and physically take that model, that that that a sensor.
00:14:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:14:13
Rob
like A sensor could be just a temperature gauge at Fargo Airport or you know in Hudson Valley somewhere over at White Plains.
00:14:17
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:14:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:14:19
Rob
It could be just ah a sensor that's not working right or it's it's not calibrated correctly over time and it sends you back false data because every grid point that a model uses, it has to massage it together if one's missing or wrong.
00:14:32
Rob
So it says 50 at Steve's house and 30 in New York City and 30 somewhere else.
00:14:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:14:37
Rob
It's going, well, that's not, it's not 50 at Steve's house. It's impossible. It's 30 all around him. It has to now adjust to that number. so So I think in time, it's going to help us a lot. Like I said, I don't think it's replacing us for a long time at this point.
00:14:47
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, I mean, we would love to say we have this massive secret weapon now for the winter, but there's still going to be some growing pains even with this model.
00:14:54
Rob
Yeah.
00:14:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:14:54
Nick Psomaras
um But we're at least we're going to have like enough data to see at the end of the year how it did.
00:14:54
Rob
Yeah.
00:15:00
Nick Psomaras
That's the biggest thing right now.
00:15:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:15:01
Nick Psomaras
Once you start testing other models out, you want to see the verification scores and be like, this actually concretely was better than the GFS, the NAM, the regular Euro. And then once you have that, you you start gaining confidence in the in the program itself.
00:15:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, you can trust it more.
00:15:15
Nick Psomaras
Exactly.
00:15:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:15:15
RICK JAMES
But is it is helping you guys, though. The AI is helping you Yeah.
00:15:18
Rob
Yeah, it's definitely a help.
00:15:18
Nick Psomaras
For sure.
00:15:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:15:19
Nick Psomaras
For sure.
00:15:20
Rob
I mean, it can help the students.
00:15:20
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:15:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I mean, it nailed the hurricanes. Like, it nailed the...
00:15:22
Nick Psomaras
Completely.
00:15:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
though the one i remember the one early season, they said, like, this was... I think one of you guys said it was shocking because it nailed the track a week out within, like, 50 or 100 miles.
00:15:31
Rob
Two weeks.
00:15:33
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it was perfect.
00:15:33
Rob
Two weeks out, almost, which is unheard of or her that's for hurricanes.
00:15:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, yeah, two weeks out. I mean, that's even more impressive.
00:15:37
Rob
For hurricanes, that's even more impressive than than snowstorms. Because you know when you look at a snowstorm or you look at a cold air mass, it is massive.
00:15:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
So...
00:15:45
Rob
It's hundreds of miles wide. Yes, a hurricane can grow to that size. But when it starts out making forecasts, the the tropical storm is no more than 40 or 50 miles wide. It's like taking a cart from across the bar and hitting the bullseye.
00:15:55
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:15:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:15:59
Rob
And that's what it was doing.
00:15:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Hmm.
00:16:00
Rob
And we were like, holy crap, if this is gonna be the trend this year, this is gonna be easier for us. And you know we weren't really tested, nothing hit the US, but um it was impressive.
00:16:11
Rob
And so far we'll see. like this is This is all kind of new to us too, because even the GFS, which we can which has been terrible, they're putting AI in that now too. And then Google has their own model.
00:16:21
Rob
you know Everybody's kind of coming up with their own AI thing. So it's going to be like, which one do you want to believe? It's just like all the models now, the Canadian, the UK, the icon. You kind of have to know how they trend. It's like I always compare looking at weather models to ballgame.
00:16:39
Rob
You know, what player's hot? You know, is your quarterback playing? And the models do get streaky like that. They do well for a while. And like right now, I think the Euro AI is a little off with the snow. I'm not saying it's wrong. I just, it's it's wobbling too much.
00:16:53
Nick Psomaras
Mm-hmm.
00:16:53
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:16:53
Rob
I thought it was more consistent, even where, like we said, we'll bring up Jeremy's spot and you're in North Dakota. It's been wobbling a little bit more, but again, one of the things I realized about AI was it does well in the mid-range, and that mid-range is five to 10 days out.
00:17:09
Rob
Earlier in, it's not doing as well as the mid part of the range. And I think it's because weather models look at H's and L's on a larger scale 10 days out. They don't look at every little...
00:17:20
Rob
lake or mountain or track that changes or Gulf Air. It just looks at the overall world and the atmosphere. And it gives you a general broad-based painting before you get to the fine tuning.
00:17:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:17:31
Rob
So it's it's fun though. I mean, it's fun. it's It's always interesting for us. It's like a new canvas every time we get a storm. And now we've got another you know paint set to use basically.
00:17:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
00:17:41
Rob
No, it's kind of stuff.
00:17:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
So Skynet's not there yet. It needs some work still.
00:17:45
Rob
At least worked.
00:17:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. No takeover yet.
00:17:47
RICK JAMES
So how about how about all the social media? I mean, I go on Facebook or whatever and it's it's
Social Media's Role in Weather Forecasting
00:17:53
RICK JAMES
nonstop weather. Is everybody a weatherman now or go to TikTok? Everybody's doing like live weather things.
00:17:57
RICK JAMES
is is I just...
00:17:58
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. Everyone's a weatherman. There's not enough meteorologists out there.
00:18:03
RICK JAMES
Ah, there you go.
00:18:03
Rob
Ah, nice line.
00:18:04
RICK JAMES
There you go.
00:18:04
Rob
I'm still enjoying that one.
00:18:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:18:05
Rob
I like it.
00:18:06
RICK JAMES
Oh, I like that.
00:18:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Not everybody can...
00:18:06
Nick Psomaras
Reel it back in boys.
00:18:07
Rob
Everyone's a weatherman. That's nice.
00:18:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:18:08
RICK JAMES
Oh, I like that one.
00:18:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Not everybody can predict the jet stream.
00:18:10
Rob
Yeah. Oh.
00:18:18
Rob
That's
00:18:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
God!
00:18:24
Rob
what I've ever seen.
00:18:24
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:18:25
Rob
That was my first time.
00:18:27
Nick Psomaras
That is so perfect.
00:18:27
RICK JAMES
Oh, I love it.
00:18:29
Rob
Yeah.
00:18:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
I love those clips.
00:18:29
Nick Psomaras
Friggin' love that.
00:18:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, my God.
00:18:30
Rob
That's one of my favorite episodes ever.
00:18:31
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:18:32
Rob
Yeah.
00:18:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's all.
00:18:32
Nick Psomaras
It's so good.
00:18:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
the assault my
00:18:33
Rob
Yeah.
00:18:33
Nick Psomaras
It's so good.
00:18:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Such a great episode of that show.
00:18:34
RICK JAMES
if
00:18:36
Nick Psomaras
But no, going back to Jeremy, I...
00:18:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
um
00:18:37
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:18:38
Nick Psomaras
I think there's so many hobbyists out there and, you know, amateur level meteorologists or weathermen, whatever you want to say. And they just want to gain followers as much as possible.
00:18:47
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:18:47
Nick Psomaras
They want to be the guy that everyone comes to before a storm.
00:18:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:18:51
Nick Psomaras
And, you know, no fault for them. It's actually working like like what they're doing, even though it's, you know, misinformation.
00:18:55
Rob
yeah
00:18:59
Nick Psomaras
ah You see it on TikTok, this you know this person talks about the polar vortex and all this kind of stuff. And you know you look at the views and it's like 500,000 views or you know like that kind of thing. So why would they change their misinformation?
00:19:12
Nick Psomaras
They're going to keep doing it.
00:19:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah they're getting They're getting paid to put out the wrong information.
00:19:14
Nick Psomaras
Everyone's watching it.
00:19:15
Rob
Right.
00:19:15
Nick Psomaras
That's the whole thing.
00:19:15
RICK JAMES
it's just yes It's just crazy.
00:19:17
Rob
And, and, yeah.
00:19:17
RICK JAMES
It just seems like more and more every time I look on, it's like, oh, so subscribe this, this, this, this. It's all, you know, and they're they're not even close to what a real you know forecast is.
00:19:26
Nick Psomaras
it's not.
00:19:27
Rob
Well, I think there's two things there. One, you know, we, Nick and I, we do a lot of marketing. You guys know that we do it through Facebook, through these Snowpaw Mafia and these groups that a lot of guys go on. Facebook changed the algorithms this year, literally October 1st, which was about a month or two ago. And basically saying, now you can monetize more on these these groups where before you didn't make any money. You could put an ad at the top. You know, we would sponsor it on Snowpaw Mafia. Now they're monetizing and it's changing the way they post online.
00:19:56
Rob
But now guys that just had a group can make money. You didn't make money off ah a group before. you know When you started a group called Snowpile Mafia, which a lot of people know, and they know Contractors of America, so so alls there's hundreds of them
00:20:03
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:20:09
Rob
It was just done for fun. You were an admin on there. You exchanged information. Maybe you were a plow guy that started it, and you got you know tips from other plow guys. And that's what it was, a community, and it still is.
00:20:19
Rob
But now Facebook has made it where they want you to monetize on it, so it's changing the way they market. it The marketing is... You can say whatever you want. And if you're wrong, you're not held accountable. Think of the difference, guys.
00:20:30
Rob
It's kind of like when you get plow guys that have no insurance.
00:20:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
00:20:33
Rob
And we talked about in your other episode about the low balling. They're not accountable. A lot of times they'll go out of business.
00:20:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's run by Democrats.
00:20:40
Rob
They'll start another one somewhere else. It's
00:20:43
Nick Psomaras
Mm-mm.
00:20:44
RICK JAMES
Yes.
00:20:44
Rob
oh it's like politics, too.
00:20:47
Rob
Everybody's got their opinion now.
00:20:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
00:20:48
Rob
Everybody's politics.
00:20:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nobody's accountable.
00:20:50
Rob
Nobody's accountable anymore.
00:20:50
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:20:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:20:51
Rob
And that's really just like your industry talking about lowballers and guys that are fly by night, no real insurance, lowballing on Walmarts and other accounts.
00:21:01
Rob
You know what's going on. It's the same thing with weather, we're we're but a different way. We're getting guys that are coming in, hyping stuff up. And if they're wrong, they don't lose clients. They don't lose job.
00:21:10
RICK JAMES
Whoops.
00:21:12
Rob
They don't have clients. They just have clicks.
00:21:13
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:21:13
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:21:14
Rob
And clicks are just in sensationalized posts, honestly.
00:21:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:21:17
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:21:18
Rob
So it's it's similar to what you guys do. You deal you know what you deal in your business. The smaller guys, the guys will undercut you. They're not insured. They do this, they do that. Whatever the case, it's the same thing with weather and social media.
00:21:30
Rob
You're not accountable. And if you're wrong, it doesn't matter. If we're wrong consistently, we're out business.
00:21:36
Nick Psomaras
Oh, it's the end of the world.
00:21:37
Rob
Well, we're out of business.
00:21:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, true.
00:21:37
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:21:38
Rob
you know if you're If I'm going to ask you to pay for weather when you can get it on an app, I better be better than the app. I better be something.
00:21:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, that that's exactly right. And that's what I tell people.
00:21:46
Rob
you know So it's it's different.
00:21:46
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:21:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Everybody that tells me i get my weather off the app. I'm like, dude, you should try a weather company because if like I do it and if they weren't better and giving me more information that I can get off the apps, then I wouldn't be paying them for the service.
00:22:02
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:22:02
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:22:02
Rob
Right.
00:22:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like it's obviously worth it to do this.
00:22:05
Rob
yeah It's a peace of mind.
00:22:05
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:22:06
Rob
And I think now what we're seeing this year is we're way ahead of last year as far as who we've signed this year. I know we are triple from where we were last year so far. So we are we are getting the the snow industry to start to realize, do I have to stay up all night and read every post?
00:22:23
Rob
and every weather guy on TV, and nothing against weather guys, because I did TV for a long time too. But I think it's the biggest problem is social media, and not the TV guys anymore. I think it's everybody, as we mentioned 10 minutes ago, thinks they know every answer by looking at one thing.
00:22:32
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:22:37
Rob
um And that's that's where we're at right now, guys.
00:22:38
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:22:41
Rob
That's where it's at. I think it's going to sit there for a while. And I think it's one of the reasons why we're doing much better. i read an article that private sector weather is one of the fastest growing now because people are getting tired of believing whatever now.
00:22:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, the bullshit.
00:22:53
Rob
You know? Yeah, the bullshit.
00:22:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:22:55
Rob
Exactly. So, you know, you roll with the punches, as I say.
00:22:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:23:00
Rob
You just roll with the punches and you just get up there and do the best you can. And I tell my guys every day, give them something, as in our clients, as in you guys, that they can't get on the app. Or give them some insight that they can't get somewhere else.
00:23:12
Rob
and be consistent with it. If consistency in weather is really what plow guys look for, you know, when you say two inches, then the next run is 12 and then you're back down to three, you guys try to plan that, you know, and we try to keep it not herky jerky that Steve's got to now call up 10 more guys because we jacked them up a storm and then came back down.
00:23:25
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:23:32
Rob
So consistency will be the word this year. I think in in weather, I think that's going to be the word.
00:23:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. All right. Sounds good.
00:23:38
RICK JAMES
It sounds like our local sounds like a local TV guy just cranking shit up, up, up, and then we get nothing.
00:23:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:23:39
Rob
And,
00:23:42
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:23:43
Rob
It's clicks. It's clicks and viewership because TV is dropping.
00:23:45
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:46
Rob
I mean, I did it for a long time. TV is nowhere where it used to be because you you get everything in an instant now.
00:23:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
no
00:23:51
Rob
We used to wait for the six and 11 news back then. Now you get everything in an instant and you get 27,000 opinions. And, and you know, the big thing is this year, guys, you know, in the last two or three weeks, polar vortex, stratospheric warming, everybody's just blowing that up.
00:23:58
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:24:07
Rob
Like this is going to be the winter of all winters, you know?
00:24:08
RICK JAMES
yep
00:24:11
Rob
yeah,
00:24:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Don't they do that every year though?
00:24:12
Nick Psomaras
Every winter Yeah,
00:24:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
the
00:24:13
Rob
and you know, polar vortexes, the winter day and Tuesday, in my opinion, it gets cold and it get warm.
00:24:13
RICK JAMES
if it It's a different name.
00:24:18
Nick Psomaras
it's freaking brutal
00:24:18
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:24:20
Rob
ah You know, it's like all these terms that come out, you know, it, not to get into the ugly side of this, but it wasn't inconvenient that global warming went to climate change.
00:24:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Shoulder season.
00:24:25
Nick Psomaras
You
00:24:30
Rob
So they took the word warming out.
00:24:31
RICK JAMES
Yup.
00:24:32
Rob
So if it's cold or hot, any extreme, it's a big change.
00:24:35
RICK JAMES
Yup.
00:24:36
Rob
I mean, it's, it's, weather's gonna be weather.
00:24:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Win. Yeah, they're broadening their winning percentage. that No matter what happens, we win.
00:24:42
RICK JAMES
We win.
00:24:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
And it's because of you guys burning fuel.
00:24:43
Rob
Right.
00:24:43
Nick Psomaras
Hey, hey we're we're but we're good at doing that. We're good at doing that. We got to widen the the winning percentage up a little bit.
00:24:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, no, you can't call it global warming anymore.
00:24:48
Rob
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:49
Nick Psomaras
have to.
00:24:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Now it's just climate change. So no matter what happens, we can blame it on that.
00:24:52
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:24:52
RICK JAMES
Climate change.
00:24:54
Nick Psomaras
So our forecasts are going to be 1 to 10 inches.
00:24:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
0.1
00:24:56
Nick Psomaras
So you can, you know, you can. hear
00:24:58
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:24:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
to every
Climate Change & Winter Predictions
00:25:00
Nick Psomaras
If it falls within that range, you're 100%
00:25:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
day.
00:25:02
RICK JAMES
Yeah, that is true.
00:25:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Jesus.
00:25:04
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:25:05
Rob
I think the biggest thing to me has been with this climate stuff, I'm starting to see, we'll bring up social media again, that we're going now into an ice age.
00:25:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
00:25:13
Rob
Are you starting to see that more? Because all the Antarctica had more ice last year.
00:25:16
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:25:18
Rob
Now they've shifted the whole thing from the earth burning into flames to now we're going into an ice age.
00:25:22
Nick Psomaras
Thank you.
00:25:23
Rob
And if we have a cold winter, which I do believe at times it's going to be colder than last winter because we're coming out of a La Nina, ah that's going to be the new narrative.
00:25:24
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:25:32
Rob
Oh, my God. Now they're going to switch everything that is going to get tremendously colder. and we're going to have to do all these other things now. It's weather.
00:25:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:25:39
Rob
It's been around three and a half billion years. It's going to be the Earth's going to be here after we're long gone for millions of years.
00:25:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:25:46
Rob
It's not going to burn up.
00:25:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Somebody watched somebody watch the day after tomorrow, so they change.
00:25:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:25:50
Rob
Yeah.
00:25:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's not going to get hot. It's going to get cold.
00:25:51
RICK JAMES
Oh, cold now.
00:25:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ice age.
00:25:53
Rob
Yeah.
00:25:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:25:54
Rob
I mean, a good storm, though, I would think that would be it can imagine you having that storm in the United States.
00:25:54
Nick Psomaras
That'd
00:25:55
RICK JAMES
Damn.
00:25:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God.
00:25:58
Nick Psomaras
be nuts.
00:25:59
RICK JAMES
Nah.
00:25:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Let me.
00:25:59
Rob
We'd be doing post-alerts for like six years.
00:26:01
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:26:02
RICK JAMES
Nah. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:03
Nick Psomaras
den it's qua Dennis Quaid running around. That'd be classic.
00:26:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:26:05
Rob
ah Jeremy wouldn't be able to melt that snow in Fargo.
00:26:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nobody's going to get them.
00:26:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:26:08
RICK JAMES
now
00:26:08
Rob
You know, they you guys still shipping out of town?
00:26:08
Nick Psomaras
No. Yeah.
00:26:09
RICK JAMES
nah thats
00:26:10
Rob
You still doing that stuff with the pilot?
00:26:12
RICK JAMES
yep yeah
00:26:12
Rob
Yeah, you you'd be like 25 feet high, the snow, and then you'd have to pilot 300 feet, you know?
00:26:12
RICK JAMES
yeah ye
00:26:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, my gosh.
00:26:17
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:26:17
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:26:18
Rob
Yeah.
00:26:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
So what what is coming this this winter? What kind of winter are we having? and What are we looking at for the different regions?
00:26:26
Rob
And I think Nick, you started.
00:26:26
Nick Psomaras
Well, I mean, before before we get into winter, we'll we'll ah we'll we'll start with Jeremy, who, you know, looks like they're getting off to a quicker start than they did last year.
00:26:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, go ahead.
00:26:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah, I forgot. Nick's pick.
00:26:34
RICK JAMES
Oh
00:26:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nick pick of the week.
00:26:35
Nick Psomaras
we got We got the Nick Pick of the Week, Lock of the Day, whatever you want to call it, from the –
00:26:39
RICK JAMES
oh boy, here we go. Drum roll.
00:26:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
The Doc Lock has been taken. That's copywritten.
00:26:43
Nick Psomaras
yeah.
00:26:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
The Nick pick.
00:26:44
Rob
I didn't know about Nick.
00:26:44
Nick Psomaras
i
00:26:44
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:26:45
Rob
I didn't know we were doing this now. It's a new thing we do in the run.
00:26:46
Nick Psomaras
Oh, yeah, you hopped on late.
00:26:47
Rob
company louis and If you're wrong, Jeremy gets unlimited drinks at the Simon show in Cincinnati.
00:26:47
Nick Psomaras
You weren't able to get on. We were doing Nick Pick of the Week. I'm coming on every week now.
00:26:50
RICK JAMES
Nick. Oh yeah. Yeah. We'll take it. We'll take it, Nick. We'll take it.
00:26:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
00:26:58
Nick Psomaras
Oh, he's going to get him.
00:26:58
Rob
Right. unre
00:26:58
RICK JAMES
Oh, hell yeah.
00:26:59
Nick Psomaras
He's getting him anyway.
00:26:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
We'll take that bet.
00:27:00
Nick Psomaras
He's getting him anyway.
00:27:00
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:27:02
Nick Psomaras
But um yeah, but all seriousness, he it looks like it looks like he's getting off to ah a better start than he did last year.
00:27:02
RICK JAMES
Juicelex guy.
00:27:02
Rob
Let's put an Artix tab.
00:27:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:08
Nick Psomaras
We're looking at the models for Tuesday. I know Rob put out a forecast earlier for the Dakotas and definitely trended colder and and snowier for him.
00:27:15
Rob
Yeah.
00:27:16
Nick Psomaras
So, I mean, we're We're looking what two to four inches most likely for Eastern North Dakota, which is, again, a really good start for him.
00:27:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
00:27:24
Nick Psomaras
And we always joke around because Jeremy's been with us for two years and he hasn't seen shit. So we're hoping to get him back home.
00:27:29
Rob
Yeah.
00:27:30
RICK JAMES
Right. i don
00:27:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. You guys killed the snow in Fargo.
00:27:32
Rob
As soon as you buy the service there, we would turn it off.
00:27:34
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:27:35
RICK JAMES
Yeah, that's all right.
00:27:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
00:27:35
Rob
buy We don't have to work anymore.
00:27:36
RICK JAMES
It is what it is.
00:27:37
Rob
That's it.
00:27:37
Nick Psomaras
He's due for a 90-inch winter now.
00:27:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
So.
00:27:37
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:27:37
Rob
we gotta
00:27:39
RICK JAMES
i I'll chase the snow. We all figured that out last year. I'll go i'll go wherever it's at.
00:27:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:27:43
Rob
Yeah, I heard about that.
00:27:43
RICK JAMES
So, yeah.
00:27:44
Rob
You guys, that was a pretty good chasing the snow.
00:27:45
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:47
Rob
It was really put together very nicely, guys. I'll give you that. It was really put together.
00:27:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:27:50
Nick Psomaras
It was cool.
00:27:50
RICK JAMES
Thanks.
00:27:51
Rob
It was pretty cool to follow it.
00:27:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's awesome.
00:27:51
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Two to four.
00:27:52
Rob
Yeah.
00:27:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Glad you like it.
00:27:52
RICK JAMES
all right. i'll get the boga is I'll get the guys warmed up, ready to go.
00:27:53
Rob
Yeah.
00:27:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, here's the beautiful part.
00:27:56
RICK JAMES
We'll start billing.
00:27:57
Nick Psomaras
We'll start billing them. There you go.
00:27:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Here's the beautiful part. By the time this drops, that will have already happened and we'll know if he's right or wrong.
00:28:02
Nick Psomaras
We'll know.
00:28:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
And he immediate feedback.
00:28:06
Rob
Oh, that's true.
00:28:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
00:28:07
Rob
It's true. That is true. i see Minneapolis, too, now is in a little bit of a discussion. They didn't get anything last year either. And we just had a client of ours saying, you know, I was hesitant to resign with you because we didn't get any snow.
00:28:13
RICK JAMES
Great.
00:28:18
Rob
I said, well, I can't control that. And in Minneapolis is not going to go every year on a roll like that. I think they did, what, 16 or 17 inches last winter, which was well below.
00:28:27
Nick Psomaras
Oh, it was awful. Yeah. Terrible.
00:28:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, they're blaming you for shutting the snow off.
00:28:28
Rob
And same with Jeremy, too. Well, you know, that's what we do now. We have a new button.
00:28:32
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:28:33
Rob
Once you pay us, we turn it off.
00:28:34
RICK JAMES
That's a Oh, shit.
00:28:35
Nick Psomaras
It was so weird.
00:28:36
Rob
don't have to work
00:28:36
RICK JAMES
That's a good program.
00:28:37
Nick Psomaras
It was weird.
00:28:37
RICK JAMES
Oops.
00:28:37
Nick Psomaras
It was like you guys weren't as ah as as productive as you usually are. I'm like, we weren't as productive. We didn't have to make any snow maps for you. It didn't snow.
00:28:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:28:45
Rob
yeah yeah yeah well denver just asked us that we have a ah company in denver that does colorado springs down to pueblo up through this metro of denver and uh miguel he says to me i haven't been getting the weather i said because you don't have any snow there's no there's nothing to to talk about it's
00:28:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
ladies
00:29:00
Nick Psomaras
it's And it's been really bad because the ski resorts out there, I mean, I know you guys have seen it. Vermont's been doing amazing. And then you look out to Colorado, like Vail, Aspen area, they have gotten nothing.
00:29:06
Rob
Yeah.
00:29:10
Nick Psomaras
It's been brutal.
00:29:10
Rob
Well, Denver now, Denver, this is the second latest ever since, and they've got some pretty good records, believe it or not, even though Denver is way out West where things got, the records were a little later there because it wasn't the population.
00:29:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Really?
00:29:10
RICK JAMES
Wow.
00:29:11
Nick Psomaras
Brutal start for them.
00:29:18
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:29:23
Rob
They go back to 1870. This is the second latest. It hasn't snowed ever in Denver since 1870.
00:29:29
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:29:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
00:29:31
Rob
So ah pattern changes, you know, where we're coming off of La Nina and that is going to go neutral. And when you go neutral, you kind of just throw everything out and say it's whatever the averages are.
00:29:42
Rob
So, you know, when you make a forecast, and in these long ranges, we talked about this the show last year on the podcast, they're hard to do.
00:29:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:29:49
Rob
You're just taking a look at statistical numbers. I mean, id I like to call it a statistical winter outlook because it's based on stats. You know, that's all you can do because you can't predict – you know, really with confidence three or four months out.
00:30:01
Rob
People think they can. It's, you know, it's not there, guys. Sometimes we can't even get two days out right. And I'll admit that. Sometimes we get a curveball thrown at us. But Denver is going through a drought right now.
00:30:12
Rob
it's It's very late for them, but they've got something on the 30th, the end of the holiday here. And Jeremy, like you said, you got something next week. And then there's a couple more behind it. I just sent something out to everybody and said, that first week in December looks interesting for Midwest,
00:30:22
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:30:26
Rob
and West. Steve, I think you're you're still not getting anything through the 7th at this point.
00:30:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sweet. I'm okay.
00:30:31
Rob
inner I hit one of your followers.
00:30:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Are we getting cold? Can I put the rink up or is it just knows no snow?
00:30:36
Rob
It's not consistent cold yet. you know And I go through my checklist with Steve, like I was saying. Can't have snow before December 1st. Has to be after midnight before 6. Not be on a weekend when it's snowed as a hot weekend.
00:30:45
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:30:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen. See, you're learning, Rob. You're learning.
00:30:48
Nick Psomaras
um ah Yeah, but but how about how about the calls that have already come in before December 1st? He's called me like nine times.
00:30:52
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:30:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
That was all related to one storm.
00:30:54
Rob
Is it cold enough to put the rain out?
00:30:54
RICK JAMES
You got this, you got to this Steve tracker behind me on the end.
00:30:58
Nick Psomaras
got I got to tally him up. I got to tally him up.
00:30:58
Rob
steve
00:31:00
Rob
it's important It's like the likes that they want.
00:31:00
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:31:02
Rob
It's a little button.
00:31:02
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:31:03
Rob
How many times Steve calls a little like button?
00:31:05
Nick Psomaras
he sent me He sent me a video of it snowing when it was 52 degrees, and I'm like, what?
00:31:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah i have the receipts i'm like where where were you on this one nick
00:31:10
Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:10
Nick Psomaras
I'm like, what?
00:31:14
Rob
Yeah.
00:31:15
RICK JAMES
i I got the same one.
00:31:16
Nick Psomaras
Get the plow trucks out.
00:31:16
Rob
yeah
00:31:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
i don't know what dude it was crazy it was literally warm but it was actually i could not believe it was actual snow i'm like thinking this
00:31:24
Nick Psomaras
I remember because when i was growing up, ah Glenn, Glenn Hurricane Schwartz was the guy that we always listened to in Philadelphia area. So that was the guy i always watched. And he said at one of the forecasts, he's like, I've seen snowfall at 54 degrees and I've seen it rain at negative two degrees.
00:31:39
Nick Psomaras
So it's all about the temperatures that are up top.
00:31:41
Rob
Yeah,
00:31:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:31:42
Nick Psomaras
So you if it's cold enough up top, it'll reach the ground as snow. And if it's too warm, you're going to get freezing rain. So I always think about that. I'm like, it's actually crazy. ah You can get snow up to 50 degrees.
00:31:53
Nick Psomaras
It happens.
00:31:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it was pretty wild. i was I was like, I can't believe what I'm seeing.
00:31:55
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:31:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
This has got to be raining. I'm like, no, this is f freaking snow. That's why I started videoing.
00:32:00
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it's crazy.
00:32:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, holy shit, for about 20 minutes.
00:32:01
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:32:02
Rob
this yeah it's one of our terms, atmospheric layering, that we made up.
00:32:04
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:32:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, there's a good one.
00:32:07
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:32:08
Rob
Not to be thrown in the sidewinder, sidewinder, remember Sidewinder last year?
00:32:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
There's a new one.
00:32:08
RICK JAMES
Oh, there's a new term.
00:32:08
Nick Psomaras
Ding, ding, ding.
00:32:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
well
00:32:10
RICK JAMES
Oh,
00:32:13
Rob
We have no in-house terms, you know?
00:32:13
RICK JAMES
but the side winder.
00:32:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
lightwarer yeah the You guys are funny.
00:32:15
Rob
Yeah, well, it's funny to say,
00:32:16
Nick Psomaras
We got to make a vocab book for these guys. We you.
00:32:18
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah. We need like a code book.
00:32:20
Nick Psomaras
We got you.
00:32:21
Rob
Yeah, we go the schools and we show the kids back in 1890 and it was confirmed there was a snow coming down.
00:32:21
RICK JAMES
Code book.
00:32:21
Nick Psomaras
we gotcha
00:32:29
Rob
It was a foot wide snow flakes and it's been verified.
00:32:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
really
00:32:33
Rob
So we had a guy in Florida here make us a 3D printer of these flakes that big and we show it to the kids and they put it like up to their face and they can't place it. This is true because we did the research on it that the whole town saw it.
00:32:45
Rob
And it was like four or 500 people in this town in Montana. And it really was just a bunch of flakes sticking together. It wasn't like one. And it made giant, I mean, really giant flakes, guys.
00:32:52
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:32:54
Rob
You're talking about, you know, ah like a subway sub. And it was coming down. So when you talk about Steve's, you know, 52 degrees in snow, you know what i mean? it It can be weird. It can be weird.
00:33:05
Rob
It can do it on very rare.
00:33:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mother Nature.
00:33:06
Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Anything can happen.
00:33:07
Nick Psomaras
but if i was If I was alive back then, I'd be lying about so much shit weather-related.
00:33:12
Rob
a
00:33:12
RICK JAMES
but
00:33:12
Nick Psomaras
I'd be be like, yeah, we had snow we had snow rates.
00:33:13
Rob
Like back in the Little House of Prairie days, you can make a picture.
00:33:16
Nick Psomaras
We had snow rates of 10 inches an hour yesterday. Like, what?
00:33:18
Rob
Right.
00:33:19
Nick Psomaras
I would totally...
00:33:19
Rob
Right. Would Steve be the town crier of the town?
00:33:23
Nick Psomaras
Town crier, yes.
00:33:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, listen, there was good reason.
00:33:24
Nick Psomaras
That'd be awesome.
00:33:24
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah, he would. Here we go.
00:33:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Last November 18th, last November 18th, we got a forecast saying wet roads only slushy coating on grass, elevated snow.
00:33:27
Rob
ringing the bell. He's ringing the bell every week.
00:33:33
Rob
Nice.
00:33:35
RICK JAMES
here we go
00:33:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
And then we ended up with five and a half inches full plow.
00:33:41
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, last November was brutal.
00:33:41
Rob
Yeah.
00:33:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
So that this year on November 18th, it was eerily similar forecast. So yeah, I was calling Nick a little bit to say, Hey, are you sure? about this Are we good?
00:33:49
Rob
Yeah.
00:33:51
Nick Psomaras
I'm like, if we screw up back-to-back Novembers, it just wasn't meant to be. That's
00:33:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. Nailed it.
00:33:56
Rob
pleasant
00:33:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, but you nailed it. You nailed it.
00:33:58
Rob
Yeah.
00:33:59
Nick Psomaras
good.
00:33:59
Rob
turn Shut the bus down and turn it into a taco truck and we'll close up.
00:34:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, let's just do the button.
00:34:02
RICK JAMES
There you go. There you go.
00:34:03
Rob
Good. Turn into a taco truck.
00:34:04
Nick Psomaras
We're done with the weather.
00:34:06
RICK JAMES
Dual purpose.
00:34:06
Rob
We had time of selling tacos this year.
00:34:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
L weather.
00:34:08
Nick Psomaras
who
00:34:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh man.
00:34:10
RICK JAMES
Jeez.
00:34:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's funny.
00:34:10
Rob
Yeah, it's ah it's it's fun though, because I think, you know, just like you guys in the plowing side, learning new technology, learning new equipment, things are changing and getting better.
00:34:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is funny.
00:34:21
Rob
Just for us, same with weather, it's always fun to follow the changing trends. It keeps you sharp. You know, all this stuff keeps you on top
00:34:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%.
00:34:26
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. We got a question for you guys, actually, because I know me and Rob were talking about this this past week with like like renewals and stuff like that. are
00:34:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Not how this works. That's not how this show works.
00:34:35
RICK JAMES
so
00:34:35
Rob
of it.
00:34:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah yeah yeah
00:34:35
Nick Psomaras
get one question.
00:34:36
Rob
No questions allowed.
00:34:37
RICK JAMES
Oh.
00:34:38
Nick Psomaras
We're dying to know.
00:34:38
RICK JAMES
ah
00:34:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:34:39
Nick Psomaras
So are contracts being, I guess, signed or are you like later on? Because I feel like a lot of people in the Northeast, They get their contracts signed, a lot of them in like September, October. well We're hearing a lot where the contracts are now being signed like the first or second week of December. And I'm wondering if that's, especially for the Northeast, not so much Jeremy out West, but, you know, the Northeast has lagged a lot for their first measurable snow.
00:35:04
Nick Psomaras
And I'm just thinking like the New Jersey and PA area, especially coastal, is it because they're not getting as much snow early on?
00:35:08
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:35:10
Nick Psomaras
And that's why the contracts are being sold later or signed.
00:35:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
i yeah i mean i i have heard that i've experienced that on not a lot of properties but a couple where we send out the renewals in august and we're like where or july and we're we' like want to return by you know september 1st to let us know and
00:35:25
Nick Psomaras
yeah
00:35:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
you're not hearing anything and they they they'll call you and say, yeah, we're in, but you can't get that contract actually signed and you're hounding them into mid-October to say, hey, I still don't have the signed contract.
00:35:38
Rob
Yeah. True.
00:35:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
And what I'm thinking, at least in my cases, the couple properties, I'm thinking that the economic times are not... the best and they're trying to withhold that payment the initial payment because they may not have it in august and september uh as long as they possibly can if they just sign the contract and tell me hey i know i'm due first payment on so on signing the contract i'm you know can can we do this in three weeks a month yeah no problem as long as i know i got it coming you know yeah and we got you covered you know we'll work with yeah that that does happen
00:35:48
Nick Psomaras
make sense yeah
00:36:06
Nick Psomaras
Right. Right.
00:36:08
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:36:11
Rob
And I heard it with some of the big the big box stores too. Even Walmart, I heard some some rumors. and Not rumors, but guys guys will tell us. i mean We have now close to about 850 companies that use this nationally. and And we had to adjust, guys. And one of the things we do that... that your guys really like is we'll delay billing or split it and we'll say listen we're in this with you guys we know it's still early in the season because you haven't gotten snow but we know you're waiting on stuff so this year more than ever we've probably seen almost 150 clients switch out to split billing where you pay half now and then you pay half in the middle of january when you get those you know first by the push by the inch uh money because you know there's a lag of 30 days getting paid most of the time if not more So we're adjusting financially for the industry right now and going, we might not have gotten him back if we said, give me the full amount right now.
00:36:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:36:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
sure yep
00:36:52
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:37:01
Rob
And they're being honest with us.
00:37:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:37:03
Rob
Like, like I do like the honesty of our our clients and saying, look, we're just, we don't have it signed or we don't have the check. We want your service. We've had it for five years. Even guys we've had, you know, cause we're a 10 year old company now.
00:37:15
Rob
I mean, we were small for a long time. We've gotten bigger than the really last five years, but yeah, We just, you know, we talk as a team, Jared, Nick, and I, and and and say, we got to adjust this or we're not going to get him back.
00:37:27
Rob
And and they want us. so it's not like the service, it's the economics, you mentioned, Steve.
00:37:31
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:37:32
Rob
It's true.
00:37:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:37:32
Rob
It's true, Steve.
00:37:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'd rather have delayed payment than no payment.
00:37:35
Nick Psomaras
Exactly.
00:37:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know?
00:37:35
RICK JAMES
Yeah, exactly.
00:37:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:37:36
Rob
For anything, even your side of the coin, you know.
00:37:36
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:37:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%.
00:37:38
Rob
you
00:37:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
I think that works for all parties.
00:37:39
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:37:39
Rob
Right. So, uh,
00:37:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
But I think that's what it is.
00:37:41
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:37:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the other thing we're hearing a lot of is that the areas that are on the fringe of snow areas where they are a lot of standard deviation in snow years where and they haven't had snow in a couple years, a decent snow winter, they the prices that are being thrown out, like we talked about, lowball is just like prices are getting slashed down to next and nothing.
00:37:54
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:37:54
Rob
Thank you.
00:38:04
RICK JAMES
Crazy.
00:38:05
Nick Psomaras
Oh yeah.
00:38:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
in those areas.
00:38:06
RICK JAMES
So dumb.
00:38:06
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. We were, we were talking about this.
00:38:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's great. People are gambling. They're literally going to Vegas and gambling.
00:38:08
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:38:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Then it's not going to snow.
00:38:11
Nick Psomaras
Right. We were talking about this for the DC area.
00:38:12
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:38:13
Nick Psomaras
I mean, I think last year's like snow season kind of saved some plow people down there because they, they finally got their 15 to 20 inches when, The previous three to four years, I think they were under five.
00:38:26
Nick Psomaras
So a lot of these guys were thinking, there's really no way I can make this as a living.
00:38:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:38:30
Nick Psomaras
I can't continue to do this. And then, you know, that but that's just like the location that they're at, that, you know, you can't really bank on 30 to 40 inches every year.
00:38:36
Rob
Yeah. All right.
00:38:39
Nick Psomaras
You have to, you know, make sure that you're, you know, sustainable and and your company is good enough to survive a winter that's less than five inches or less than 10 inches.
00:38:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, but even it's it's more about, i don't think it's what how many inch
Business Impacts of Forecasts
00:38:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
market you're in. I think it's more about consistency. Even if you're in an 18 inch average, if you get 18 inches every year, business owners out there are not going fuck around and gamble on low ball.
00:38:53
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:39:01
RICK JAMES
ah
00:39:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're going say, we're going to have seven, eight events that are going to be three to four inches.
00:39:02
RICK JAMES
Oh
00:39:04
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:39:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
We need to be open. We need to actually have quality snow and they'll understand what they're paying for. But when you go two, three years, you say an average 18-inch average area, and you go through two, three years where you're getting nothing or two inches, they're going to gamble.
00:39:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're gonna take that money.
00:39:21
Rob
Yeah.
00:39:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're going put it on, bet it on black, and they're going to roll the dice.
00:39:21
RICK JAMES
yeah. Yep.
00:39:23
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:39:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
See what happens.
00:39:25
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:39:25
Nick Psomaras
That's the whole thing. Yeah.
00:39:25
Rob
If you guys, if you guys remembered last year when we did the podcast for the first time in a very long time, the lake effect areas, as in Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Cleveland, and to a degree, Chicago gets a little bit, but not, they're not considered a lake effect area.
00:39:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:39:40
Rob
ah There was chat around this time. If you remember on the podcast that they were going to get out of the seasonal game. And I said, are you crazy? How are you going to build 56 events?
00:39:49
RICK JAMES
no
00:39:52
Rob
with 30 or 40 accounts with somebody in the office. I said, it's going to bounce back. And guess what? Syracuse, I bring up Syracuse because they were probably the hardest hit with this. Two years or three in a row, they only got 60, some of the lowest they've ever had, 60.
00:40:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, they were down.
00:40:06
Rob
so And they average 25.
00:40:07
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:40:08
Rob
five And that's a huge deal in a market like that. And we said, I don't think you should do that. And and and it it I mean, if the client makes you do it, what are you going to You have to go with the client.
00:40:20
Rob
They're the one paying you.
00:40:20
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:40:21
Rob
But I said, this is not going to last like this. And what happened last year, Syracuse got 127 inches. It bounced back just like everywhere else. Yeah. I think these trends now are going to be a little more erratic as they've been.
00:40:35
Rob
But just as much as you can have a three inch winter in into DC, you can have a 40 because you are warming up the oceans. We're not going to decline. I'm not going to say it's not happening because the the stats are there by looking at at the buoys. But you start adding more moisture or warmth to storms in the ocean, you're going to get a bigger storm when that cold air does meet. It's all about timing with weather.
00:40:56
Rob
You know, there's more nor'easter last year. They would just rain or they were just off the coast. And they're already showing up this year. We can already see it in the Northeast and even in the Midwest, Chicago, out to Idaho and the Dakotas.
00:41:10
Rob
There's going to be more events this year. I'll lock that one in, Jeremy, although that's an easy one.
00:41:14
RICK JAMES
Oh, we got two locks.
00:41:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
here we go.
00:41:15
Rob
i More events this year.
00:41:16
RICK JAMES
Two locks today.
00:41:18
Rob
After last year, that was easy.
00:41:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
so
00:41:19
Rob
It was like, oh, forget it.
00:41:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
you're so ah last last year.
00:41:19
Nick Psomaras
Give the people what they want.
00:41:20
RICK JAMES
Yeah. ah
00:41:22
Rob
get two storms, I win. Jeremy gets two storms, I win.
00:41:24
RICK JAMES
Two storms, yep.
00:41:26
Nick Psomaras
If two to four inches doesn't fall, if two to four inches doesn't fall, we can't air this on Thursday.
00:41:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you.
00:41:26
RICK JAMES
What's considered a storm? Two inches?
00:41:28
Rob
ah Yeah, right. Yeah, right. What's the bar at? What's the bar at?
00:41:31
Nick Psomaras
We we can't air it.
00:41:31
Rob
Right.
00:41:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Rob and Nick, tell me if tell me of where if this sounds right to you. So for our area, basically that eastern seaboard, last year was the first year by our record keeping in the last seven that we did not have one nor'easter snowstorm in our area.
00:41:48
Rob
Yeah.
00:41:49
Nick Psomaras
I believe so.
00:41:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
we had nothing We had a ton of events, but they were all smaller. I think our highest was nine inches last year. Last year was like the first year in eight years we did not have one double-digit storm.
00:41:58
Rob
yeah Yeah. Connecticut had a few more events than you. Connecticut, some of the guys had 23 events. ah Last year was salt money. It was without a doubt salt money, almost most of the country even.
00:42:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:42:06
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:42:09
Rob
Yeah.
00:42:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
A lot of it was zero to three.
00:42:11
Rob
Yeah.
00:42:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
that was That was what you were dealing with.
00:42:11
Nick Psomaras
Yep. Yep.
00:42:12
Rob
And if you can burn it off on two, which a lot of guys like to do, depending on the ground temps and the time day, ah guys really save the winter by salting the hell out of everything over and over. you know I'm not saying over salting.
00:42:24
Rob
I'm saying in the amount of salt events.
00:42:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, the amount of events.
00:42:25
Rob
ah
00:42:26
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:42:26
Rob
you know well It happens on occasion, and Steve thinks about the hurtful.
00:42:27
RICK JAMES
Events.
00:42:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
But this year you're seeing nor'easter signals?
00:42:32
Rob
Yeah, there'll be at least one this year because it's just set up differently than last year.
00:42:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice big dumps.
00:42:37
Rob
we were in another back-to-back La Nina, which tends to be a smaller winter pattern, but it tends to be more occurrences. Right now, we get rid of La Nina, which is going to be around mid to late December, which is really not winter going yet.
00:42:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
00:42:51
Rob
It's really after the new year.
00:42:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:42:52
Rob
You'll see more of a neutral pattern. Neutral pattern is the typical weather you get in most winters. Think about growing up your whole life. How much snow did you to really get most years? And it'll go back to that. I'm not saying it's a blockbuster winter ah for most areas this year, but I think they'll be closer to average than they were last year for amounts of snow.
00:43:10
Rob
But the occurrences for you, Steve, will be less this year than last year. Last year was an anomaly of a lot of events.
00:43:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. Yeah. We, yes.
00:43:17
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:43:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
sir
00:43:18
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:43:19
Rob
We just were up north, like I said, with the bus doing the school stuff, and we stopped by clients all the time. And it just surprised You just pull up with the bus, like, what the hell is that out there? and We put Billboard, and you know, the weather pros, and ah we said, you know, this year is going be a little different.
00:43:27
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:43:28
RICK JAMES
of
00:43:33
Rob
For the east, there will be less events but better snow totals, ah more four-inch-type storms than last year, which, again, you're not going out of limb much.
00:43:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:43:41
RICK JAMES
Beautiful.
00:43:43
Rob
We didn't get much of that. So it's, you know, same with Jeremy.
00:43:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
we had that We had that stretch in February last year, if you remember, for our area where I think it was like a 16-day period. We plowed seven times. like It was like one event would be in, and 24 hours later, you'd have another one, or 30 hours later, another little one, and it just kept going.
00:43:53
Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
like We plowed six or seven times in 16 days.
00:44:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we.
00:44:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
it was like, holy shit, that's what we plowed all of last year, seven seven or eight plows.
00:44:06
Nick Psomaras
Right, we saw we saw a lot of if you remember, we saw a lot of ice events to around New England and and the Northeast.
00:44:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:44:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:44:11
Nick Psomaras
It was like the pattern showed that it would be wintry, but more on the whiter side. And then once you get closer, it's like, God damn, all of it, like all these models now change to this is going to be an ice storm, which is the worst.
00:44:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, i was I was mad at you.
00:44:22
Nick Psomaras
Ice storm sucks.
00:44:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah and Okay.
00:44:24
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, you were ice storm sucks.
00:44:24
Rob
you Guys, told is ah lot niia a of Nia that it was, it wasn't a strong one.
00:44:24
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:44:29
Rob
It was a weak one. Typically tends to be smaller events, but a lot of them. We're coming out of that this year. The start of it is, as in Jeremy, next week, and there's even one behind there, Jeremy.
00:44:40
Rob
They're not huge, but compared to where you were last year, this is bonus snow now.
00:44:41
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:44:41
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:44:43
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:44:44
Rob
Now it's like bonus snow.
00:44:45
RICK JAMES
There you go.
00:44:46
Rob
You're getting it before Christmas.
00:44:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Bonus snow. There we go.
00:44:47
RICK JAMES
Bonus, Snow.
00:44:47
Rob
I'm going to smell another term.
00:44:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
00:44:48
Nick Psomaras
There it is.
00:44:48
RICK JAMES
Jeez.
00:44:49
Rob
what
00:44:49
Nick Psomaras
There it is.
00:44:51
Rob
Go out and order that extra happiness next week.
00:44:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So
00:44:52
RICK JAMES
These back-to-back storms for me? Two inches?
00:44:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
are, are these storms affecting the entire Midwest or they localized like in certain little areas?
00:44:55
Nick Psomaras
Hey.
00:44:55
Rob
Yeah.
00:44:55
RICK JAMES
Holy...
00:45:00
Rob
It looks like the start of winter is skirting that northern third of the country.
00:45:05
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:45:05
Rob
And I think it's maybe not even south South Dakota, more North Dakota, northern Minnesota over to the northern thumb of Michigan down through the lakes. Lakes are off to a good start again. They're going to get their snow.
00:45:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:45:18
Rob
After those big years of nothing, Buffalo's on the cusp of this one over the Thanksgiving holiday. I think it's just south of Buffalo, and I think it's just east of Cleveland. We just posted that today and said, ah the big thing we do now, guys, when you use our services, you know, is we're giving you holiday stuff well in advance.
00:45:33
Rob
It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's more like, hey, if you're going out of town,
00:45:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
hu
00:45:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Give us the warning sign.
00:45:38
Rob
and you right And you got your team going out of town.
00:45:40
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:45:41
Rob
Guys that have – guys, really you you you want to come back on a Sunday and everybody's still traveling back, whether they're flying or driving.
00:45:41
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:45:42
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:45:49
Rob
And, you know, with the flight problems, even though FAA thing's solved now, um that you just got to know it's possibly there.
00:45:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:45:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:45:58
Rob
and Because let's face it most guys in late November are not getting snow anymore.
00:45:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
I love that.
00:45:59
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:46:02
Rob
This is season has changed a
00:46:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:46:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:46:04
Nick Psomaras
We, we, yeah.
00:46:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
I've always said that. Like, if you got a warning signal 14 days out, even if it doesn't ah amount to anything, put it on my calendar. Like, tell me 14 days.
00:46:12
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:46:13
Rob
Yeah. Sure.
00:46:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Listen, this is probably going to be bullshit by the time two weeks comes, but I see something possibly sixteenth to 18th here. Okay, no problem. Write it down. Keep it in mind. Tell the guys, hey,
00:46:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
16th to 18th somewhere in that range like let's make sure uh we're ready to do something it's the ones where we're getting all green lights for seven days and then the day before oh no we're gonna change this like that's the shit that drives me nuts i saw it yeah
00:46:29
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:46:36
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:46:38
Rob
Like the zero right now has this huge stripe to snow through the Northeast in 15 days.
00:46:38
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:46:43
Rob
i mean' But I didn't post it today. I said, you can't just have one run and pop that out.
00:46:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
no no it's gotta be a couple
00:46:48
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:46:48
Rob
But you but you can if you want clicks.
00:46:49
RICK JAMES
and
00:46:52
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:46:53
Rob
Got it?
00:46:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah, for sure.
00:46:53
Rob
You see how it works? If you want clicks, you're going to take that map right now and post it.
00:46:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're not paying for clicks.
00:46:56
Nick Psomaras
We're not here for clicks.
00:46:56
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:58
Rob
That's right.
00:46:58
Nick Psomaras
It's true.
00:46:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
You guys are professionals. We're professionals. I like that. But yeah, if it shows up like, like, you know how they'll go at this point. If you're 10, 12, 14 days out, the model will show up six hours later, it won't show it.
00:47:08
Rob
Right.
00:47:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Then six hours after that, it's back. You know if you start seeing a pattern where, all right, it's 50, 50, you know, one model run is showing it, then it's gone.
00:47:17
Nick Psomaras
Right. Right.
00:47:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Then it's back.
00:47:19
Rob
right
00:47:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, okay guys. There might be something out there.
00:47:20
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:47:23
Rob
Yeah, and that's why the AI stuff, even though it is helping us, it doesn't know that still. It knows to take past forms of current, but it doesn't know its track record and inconsistency.
00:47:33
Rob
It doesn't care. It doesn't think like we do. As forecasters, we want to see consistency in models. but
00:47:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I get it.
00:47:39
Rob
We ahead and pull the trigger and say, hey, guys, Jeremy, you know, ah Steve, you guys got to get your crews ready. And, you know, that's usually 48 to 72 hours out anyway. But the heads up we can give you is good.
00:47:48
RICK JAMES
yep
00:47:50
Rob
And i like I said, I contribute the fact that we're triple ah over last year's new clients is because of the stuff on social media right now. I think people are going, I can't can't stay up all night and continue strolling scrolling like everybody we all do.
00:47:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
I believe that. I 100% believe that.
00:47:59
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:04
Rob
You're scrolling and you're going, oh, my God, now I've looked at seven different scenarios. and And what do I do?
00:48:08
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:48:10
Rob
ah Which one do I
00:48:10
Nick Psomaras
It actually, in ah in an odd way, in an odd way, I'll say this.
00:48:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:48:13
Nick Psomaras
It really helps me as a forecaster because I know what not to do when I freaking scroll on these things.
00:48:15
Rob
Yeah.
00:48:19
Nick Psomaras
And I'm like, oh, i'm never going put that on my forecast. I'm never going to do that. It's like you see it on Twitter and you keep scrolling and you're like, how the hell is this getting so many likes?
00:48:22
Rob
Yeah.
00:48:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:48:27
Nick Psomaras
But, you know, like I said, you just know that that's not something that you want to put out as a professional.
00:48:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah Yeah, I mean, and I think the other thing that you talked about increasing your your subscribers and stuff, I think the other thing that helps is it's it's valuable because you are not beating us over the head price-wise either.
00:48:44
Rob
yeah
00:48:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's fair.
00:48:44
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:48:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
For what you're getting, it's very fair.
00:48:44
RICK JAMES
Right. Yeah, you guys are very fair.
00:48:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, when when was it? Like, August, I think, Nick? I was in Minnesota, and I had guys in the car, and I called you and said, hey, I got this dude. He needs this many zip codes. How much would you guys charge for that?
00:48:56
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:48:56
Rob
Yeah,
00:48:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
And you gave me a price, and he's like, Really? Are you freaking kidding me?
00:49:01
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:49:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I pay four times that.
00:49:02
Rob
that's good.
00:49:02
RICK JAMES
and
00:49:03
Rob
Was that
00:49:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I pay four times that for the same service.
00:49:04
Nick Psomaras
yeah yeah
00:49:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
i'm like, that's what I'm telling you.
00:49:07
RICK JAMES
What's his name?
00:49:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're paying too much.
00:49:08
RICK JAMES
Rob?
00:49:09
Rob
the trip out to Minnesota?
00:49:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
What?
00:49:10
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:49:10
RICK JAMES
Was his name Rob Nevenenzel?
00:49:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ron. Yeah, Ron Devin Menzel.
00:49:13
RICK JAMES
Yeah. rock yeah
00:49:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep, that was him.
00:49:15
Rob
yeah that's good
00:49:16
RICK JAMES
Weird.
00:49:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
I was him.
00:49:17
Rob
was that to trip out to minnesota
00:49:17
RICK JAMES
okay
00:49:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, I've been trying to get through to that dude. I'm like, dude, you don't have to pay that much money, but some properties require certain services, certified totals.
00:49:20
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:49:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Don't even get me going on that.
00:49:28
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we talked about that.
00:49:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, how does that shit happen?
00:49:29
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:49:29
Rob
you know it's
00:49:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
But I don't even want to touch that.
00:49:32
Rob
Yeah, that's a that's a thing that's going to take a while to sort through
Technological Advancements in Forecasting
00:49:36
Rob
there. But yeah, one of the things we did this year in the off season was we upgraded our ah our snow total technology.
00:49:44
Rob
So now we have a grid and it's much quicker for us to get you the totals. um One of the things, you know even five years ago, we would say you know your your certified snow totals would be within 72 hours.
00:49:56
Rob
Now we've got it down to 12 to 24 because we've created some technology, which I hats off to Nick. He really, you know, learned this, got it and and figured out a way for us to have a grid to put the zips in and everything gets populated.
00:50:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
00:50:10
Rob
It's much quicker. um We did hire another person that we took from our competitor, WeatherWorks, Armando, you know, and he was one of their top guys.
00:50:12
RICK JAMES
Wow, Nick.
00:50:13
Nick Psomaras
I know.
00:50:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Shots fired.
00:50:20
Rob
Yeah.
00:50:20
Nick Psomaras
Shots fired. Oh, good.
00:50:22
RICK JAMES
ah
00:50:23
Rob
Yeah.
00:50:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Jesus.
00:50:23
Nick Psomaras
We might as well just keep going. No, no, no, no.
00:50:26
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:50:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, shit.
00:50:26
RICK JAMES
Fuck yeah.
00:50:26
Nick Psomaras
This is the topic with the the snow totals and we know who has to be on some of these you know accounts.
00:50:32
Nick Psomaras
We know what company it is.
00:50:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:34
Nick Psomaras
but That's something that the weather pros would have to make a podcast and that would be the opening episode because that's similar to what you guys talked about your last episode with the low balling and all the bullshit and the, ah you know, monopolies in the, in the, in the industry.
00:50:46
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:50:48
Nick Psomaras
That's something where, you know, we all do the same thing in a different, in in a different way.
00:50:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
hear
00:50:54
Nick Psomaras
Okay. We have our competitors.
00:50:54
Rob
Yes.
00:50:55
Nick Psomaras
We all send out forecasts. Why is it that one company is preferred when we're all pretty much looking at at the same totals and we're giving our clients the same information, but,
00:51:06
Nick Psomaras
Your contracts have to be another company and not ours. that's it it It does you know get us a little pissed off, but that's just how it is right now.
00:51:16
Rob
It reminds me of AT&T going way, way back when they broke up AT&T, Ma Bell, I guess, when it was a monopoly.
00:51:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah hear you
00:51:17
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:51:23
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:51:23
Rob
was going way back and you know in business class when they had to break it up. It's like everything now. Really, the country isn't built on these monopolies anymore. You got to break it up and have fair, you know yeah everybody gets a piece when i get or has a chance to use any company.
00:51:37
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:51:38
Rob
Like I said, that'd be a whole other episode, guys, and I don't want to get into that right now. I'd rather stick to the snow. But one thing we will tell you as a company, we did upgrade our post-storm reports to much quicker, much more efficient ways to get it. So, you know, guys, you know how it is Once you you plow and all, you put that money out for everything. Now you got to wait to get the money for, you know, the hours you put in the gas, the all the other stuff, and and you'll get paid a little quicker because you're getting our reports a little quicker than you would.
00:52:06
RICK JAMES
here
00:52:06
Rob
So that's an upgrade for us. We mentioned the app coming around. We now have a portal right now. where We're switching over the app style that has extra maps. Some of the maps we said, we have radar now that you can use our interactive radar. So once that's debuted here soon, hopefully, um you will still get the same weather and text. If you're listening now and you're a client or you're on a free trial, you'll always get the same text and weather that we have in the maps. But now we're adding extra things that you just click a button and they're extra. no extra cost, just extra features that we're adding this year. So,
00:52:36
Nick Psomaras
And yes, we still do the free trials, just putting it out there. You go to the weatherpros.com, you click on the free trial, and then we'll get you set up and and ah and show you our forecast. And if it's something that you know you like and you think it'll help you and your team, ah you could reach out to our salespeople and then they'll get you going. But that's something that will likely never change with us. We're on the lower side of pricing as always, but we also give you that free demo ah so that you don't have to put any money down. There's no commitment.
00:53:03
Nick Psomaras
See how we do. for the first snow event. And again, if you like it, you sign right up and we'll get you, we'll get you going.
Client Support & Legal Considerations
00:53:08
Rob
And and yeah if you do sign up, as we said, guys, about 20 minutes ago, ah split the billing if you need it. We will work with you. I think that is something that makes us unique. I know our competition, from what I heard, doesn't do it. It makes us unique because we're in it with you guys. We know how these things work. We don't want to just be a forecaster. I don't want to just say, I know it's going to snow tomorrow in North Dakota or New York or Mississippi, not Mississippi, but Maine or wherever. I want to know how you guys make decisions so I can help you when you do use our service to make those decisions, whether it's paying us or whether it's a post storm or what it is. Even a slip and falls have been interesting over the past few years with what's going on there. But that's part of the package too. If you're a client, we will include your slip and fall this year.
00:53:51
Rob
So it's it's unlimited part of the service. We have the data going back many, many years because New York State, from what I understand, Steve, is you can go back seven years before you have to file a lawsuit if you fail.
00:54:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
It is something ridiculous like that.
00:54:03
Rob
It is seven because we did a twist and we did a case the Springs, the Albany area, two years ago.
00:54:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, the statute is crazy.
00:54:05
Nick Psomaras
That's insane.
00:54:09
Rob
I was involved in that. And the plow company that used us said, you know, in most states, you can sue the plow guy and the property. Now, some of that has changed in some states.
00:54:19
Rob
In some New Jersey, Supreme Court was trying to change it where any active storm, and i haven't checked lately, but any active storm, if there's a slip and fall, whether snow falling or ice, you are not liable at the plow company.
00:54:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that's on you. Yeah, absolutely.
00:54:33
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:54:33
Rob
yeah Yeah, that's on you.
00:54:34
Rob
ah
00:54:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's on you for going out in stilettos while it's still snowing.
00:54:37
Nick Psomaras
Two inches an hour rates, yeah.
00:54:37
Rob
Well, you know, Jeremy's got a collection of stilettos, and, you know, I don't know.
00:54:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:54:39
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:54:42
RICK JAMES
I do.
00:54:43
Nick Psomaras
Let's go.
00:54:44
Rob
Which pair?
00:54:44
RICK JAMES
All the colors.
00:54:44
Rob
Is it the red pair or the blue pair?
00:54:45
RICK JAMES
All the colors.
00:54:45
Nick Psomaras
like
00:54:46
Rob
Which one?
00:54:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
So that's awesome. So you heard it here. Weather Pros is paying your slip and fall lawsuits. If you if you have them that's awesome.
00:54:51
RICK JAMES
All right,
00:54:51
Nick Psomaras
ah And and and nick Nick will come in like my cousin Vinny.
00:54:53
Rob
hanging
00:54:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Phenomenal. I'll sign up. I'm signing up.
00:54:57
Nick Psomaras
He'll come in as my cousin Vinny and get you off the hook.
00:54:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah yeah
00:54:59
Rob
Yes.
00:55:00
RICK JAMES
there you go.
00:55:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, shit.
00:55:01
Rob
He's the tire guy.
00:55:01
RICK JAMES
so So what you're saying with your these new things coming, are you just going to send us an email when they're available, I would assume, and that that they're available?
00:55:08
Rob
Yeah, yeah. Everybody gets the the the app is being built now.
00:55:09
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:55:11
Rob
I know jared Jared's our VP on the WeatherPro side, and Jared's been putting that together where we're working with a company that builds apps, particularly for what we do. And I'm estimating before Christmas, just to be realistic,
00:55:26
Rob
Hopefully around Christmas we'll have it ready. But even if it's not, you guys are still getting all the same weather. It's just an easier way to get it.
00:55:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:55:32
Rob
It's not like you're not getting anything less from us.
00:55:33
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:55:34
Rob
And even today we just put out another holiday planner. And today I just put out the 15 day and said, guys, you in the east here you're still not getting anything even though there's all this hype of the polar vortex this first 15 days coming up which i really call now the start of winter is going to be mainly the midwest and west uh particularly where you're at jeremy down through denver through idaho and even even washington we're watching now in oregon we've got some clients in the lower elevations in bend up through seattle and said this is where we're going to see the action the next couple of weeks
00:56:08
Rob
Eventually it will come east, but right now we're sitting it sort of in that upper plains, basically everybody north of Chicago through Madison, up through Wisconsin, up in that area, Green Bay, up in through the Dakotas in Montana even.
00:56:22
Rob
We have clients all over the country. So, ahead.
00:56:24
RICK JAMES
Is it going to be – sorry, Rob. Is it going to – I'm sorry interrupt you, but is it going to be a big one? i've You know, this clickbait shit.
00:56:30
Rob
No, I think these things are moving.
00:56:31
RICK JAMES
But iowa I mean like Minneapolis and Iowa, they were talking about this huge storm coming.
00:56:36
Rob
I saw it.
00:56:36
RICK JAMES
I'm guessing that's all clickbait, right?
00:56:38
Rob
It hasn't been consistent enough, and we we mentioned this a while ago.
00:56:40
RICK JAMES
Okay. Yeah.
00:56:41
Rob
You've got to see the consistency on these runs.
00:56:43
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:56:43
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:56:43
Rob
It's just the ball player, as I mentioned.
00:56:45
Rob
you know When you go out and every game you're catching two, three you know touchdowns a game, that's consistency. If you're going out and you're catching two touchdowns every 15 games, there's no consistency there.
00:56:53
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:56:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:56:54
Rob
and i see that And I see that storm, Jeremy, though.
00:56:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:56:57
Rob
It is consistent.
00:56:57
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we do, we do.
00:56:57
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:56:58
Rob
It flashes. it They flash and then they disappear. And you've got to have real consistency to get these 10, 12, 15-inch storms. Because the Midwest and up you there, you you don't get the same moisture as the East.
00:57:09
Rob
The East can grab Gulf moisture and the East can grab the Atlantic.
00:57:09
Nick Psomaras
Now.
00:57:09
RICK JAMES
No.
00:57:12
Rob
You're grabbing something either from the Pacific or going to have to have the cold and warm air fighting each other so much, it'll make its own storm over that area with the mix of the two air masses fighting.
00:57:18
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:57:21
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:57:23
Rob
We'll see it.
00:57:23
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:57:24
Rob
and we keep an an eye on it, but it's just not consistent enough yet to go pull the trigger and say, hey, Jeremy, you got 10, 12 inches coming here.
00:57:30
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, I mean, but we will say the pattern, the pattern does support a bigger storm across the central United States going into the Dakotas and Minneapolis and that area.
00:57:31
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:38
Nick Psomaras
It's just like, just because the pattern supports it doesn't mean it's going to happen. And we all know that those big ones, so much stuff has to happen and everything needs to come together.
00:57:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:57:47
Nick Psomaras
But we we can say that it does become snowier for you guys from the 29th of November to you know December 5th.
00:57:54
Nick Psomaras
that' That's an area where you guys are going to be seeing something. Is it the big snow? I'm not sure yet, but you're you're going to be active. that that's That's the one thing we can say.
00:57:54
Rob
Oh, yeah.
00:58:02
Rob
You're definitely going to be more active last year's start. And I think this year for the East, it's just being patient. You know, it it typically doesn't snow. i mean, in early December in the East, and it's usually after Christmas and really in January.
00:58:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
no
00:58:15
Rob
So, you know, if you don't see it yet, don't panic. I know guys, you know, we had 37 companies I counted that got out of the snow business altogether this year that were clients.
00:58:26
Rob
and And it's not our fault, obviously.
00:58:26
Nick Psomaras
Exactly.
00:58:26
RICK JAMES
Wow.
00:58:27
Rob
We just give you
00:58:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Man, I called that. I've been saying that. I bet you there's a lot of dudes packing it in.
00:58:33
Rob
And it was really, and you guys know it was really for several reasons. One, not enough consistency in snow. The other one was the the insurance.
00:58:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:58:40
Rob
It threw the roof on everything.
00:58:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes. The insurance and the lowball prices that don't pay for the increased insurance.
00:58:41
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:58:45
Rob
Right.
00:58:45
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:58:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%.
00:58:46
Rob
Yeah.
00:58:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent
00:58:46
Rob
So, you know, as you guys are business owners in the plow side, as a weather side, this is why we learn all this.
00:58:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
damn i'm good
00:58:53
Rob
we We kind of feel how you guys are going and going when your bill comes out or you want to work with us. And we even sometimes do three bills and we go we get it. You know, I mean, we know you like it.
00:59:04
RICK JAMES
All right.
00:59:04
Rob
It's not the problem. We've never had someone's it's very rare. We have someone say you're you're off all the time or it's more or less. financially, a lot of these guys are buying a weather service for the first time. And some guys in their mind have to justify that their whole life.
00:59:17
Rob
They use the national weather service or the local TV guy. and And I tell my guys that when you get up every day, you go, you have to convince someone, why would you buy something when technically you could get that information for free?
00:59:28
Rob
At least some of it, uh, consistent.
00:59:29
Nick Psomaras
Yes.
00:59:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Here's the reason, Rob, because at what at the value you bring with just your weekly forecast for the price that you guys charge, just the fact that I can say, Rob and Nick, I just got served with a fucking slip fall four years ago.
00:59:30
Rob
these you
00:59:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
I want to confirm. i want to confirm what the hell was going on. And you guys can provide me with that information.
00:59:52
Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is, that's our biggest fear of every snow guy is defending yourself against slip and falls, especially frivolous ones that are bullshit.
00:59:55
RICK JAMES
if
01:00:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
So if I pull up my records and I say, man, you know, February 15th, 2014, I, have nothing. I have nothing written down for that date.
01:00:11
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. Right.
01:00:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
If you guys can now confirm nothing fucking happened, then guess what? That gets thrown out pretty damn quick.
01:00:19
Rob
I think the case in Saratoga was an interesting one, and i'll I'll mention it real quick. There was a woman, she was doing overnight cleaning in an office building, and it was a 30-hour snow event in Saratoga Springs, which if you're know not familiar, it's an Albany area.
01:00:31
Rob
It's in eastern New York that has some hills and things, and it's ah a pretty active snow area compared to most of the larger cities.
01:00:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Ah.
01:00:38
Rob
And she left at 6 in the morning, slipped on the steps, and And when we did some research, she was kind of like a woman that was doing a lot of lawsuits. So that was the first part we knew. The second part was where we got the plow company out of being liable was we went back and the contract said only come out every two inches.
01:01:00
Rob
You know, it wasn't you had to be 24 seven, like, a you know, almost like a zero tolerance account like hospital.
01:01:01
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:01:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:01:07
Rob
It was come out every two. When we looked at the hourlies and they she waited till the seventh year, as I told you, to put this in because she thought the plow guy didn't have the data. They call us up and and I can't remember the plow company. They call us up and they said, you know, we're we're having trouble with this because this lady fell. She broke her hip.
01:01:24
Rob
the She did fall. The camera showed that she did fall. We weren't denying that. But the plow company was not obligated to have that clear at that time because the second inch hadn't accrued yet.
01:01:34
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:01:35
Rob
So we got the plow company off the hook and they went after we pop they went after the property, which I couldn't do because I don't represent the property.
01:01:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's huge.
01:01:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
that Yeah, that's not your problem.
01:01:41
Rob
you That's not my world.
01:01:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
But as far as what you do for us, that's a home run.
01:01:42
Rob
He got out of it. He got out of it. It was a pretty big lawsuit. And she was a lifelong you know lawsuit type of person that there are people that do that.
01:01:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, she made a living off of it.
01:01:51
Rob
you know We've had Jersey in Jersey where they're trying to put in a claim for they fell in the snow it was 63 degrees out.
01:01:52
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:01:56
Rob
I go, the only thing you fell on was your drink or your damn dumb ass shoelaces you tripped on. Now i'm we see stuff all the time and most of the time it's settled out of court, you know, because it's not like the person didn't fall a lot of time.
01:02:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:02:08
Rob
It's did the plow guy do everything he was supposed to in the contract?
01:02:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Was it negligence? No, it was Mother Nature.
01:02:12
Nick Psomaras
That's the whole thing.
01:02:12
Rob
neggy
01:02:13
Nick Psomaras
That's the whole thing.
01:02:13
Rob
That's when your prices go up on your insurance.
01:02:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly. Yes, 100%.
01:02:15
Rob
When you're caught on a negligent claim, just like a car, act like if you're driving your car and you you're using your cell phone, you're negligent.
01:02:15
Nick Psomaras
Great.
01:02:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:02:18
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:02:21
Rob
You know, if you're looking.
01:02:21
Nick Psomaras
I do enough of the slip and falls and I know right away if the plow guy screwed up or not because I'll look at the thing and I'm like, like somebody will come to me and be like, we didn't salt or do anything that day.
01:02:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:02:27
Rob
Yeah.
01:02:30
Nick Psomaras
And I'm like, okay, let me check for you. And then, you know, right away, it's like, yeah, you probably should have solved it. I got freezing rain for six hours and you were nowhere to be found.
01:02:36
Rob
Yeah.
01:02:38
Nick Psomaras
Like, that's a problem. But again, you can't lie. you got to put it on the form.
01:02:40
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:02:41
Nick Psomaras
But then there's also really good ones where they weren't lying at all.
01:02:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:02:45
Nick Psomaras
They were 100% on top of everything. And the weather report backs that up. So they're like, okay, we're set. We have all the information from our weather guys. We have all the information from the people that, you know, we employ.
01:02:56
Nick Psomaras
And then they're totally off the hook. That's a good, that's a good sign.
01:02:59
Rob
Yeah, most of the guys are pretty on the ball.
01:03:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
yep
01:03:02
Rob
I think most of the companies we work with, and I think most companies that do hire weather service are pretty legit and they got their stuff together.
01:03:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:03:08
Rob
And and that's why we have such great client base that we can you know use. We talk to everybody all the time about these things. And you know it's those fly by night guys that you mentioned, Steve, the low ballers, the guys that really aren't even properly insured, let alone know what the hell they're doing.
01:03:22
Rob
And those are the guys that get in trouble more than the guys that use weather services or the guys we work with anyway. because you're're you're checking off everything when you go to an event, you know, and you're checking in with us.
01:03:33
Rob
And all we do is sit there and stare at maps all winter long.
Snowfall Predictions & Patterns
01:03:37
Rob
Trust me, the Sidewinders, I don't want one this year.
01:03:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sidewinders.
01:03:40
Rob
can't see you last year.
01:03:41
RICK JAMES
Oh, boy.
01:03:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
01:03:42
Rob
Sidewinders.
01:03:42
RICK JAMES
I want to hear it.
01:03:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
01:03:43
Rob
No, and there'll be a few this year, I think.
01:03:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
So we covered
01:03:44
RICK JAMES
yeah You're not unlocking it?
01:03:45
Rob
and There'll be one or two this year. Who knows? You know, we'll see.
01:03:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
So do you see, like, let's let's cover this here.
01:03:48
Rob
how
01:03:50
RICK JAMES
No.
01:03:51
Nick Psomaras
ah lock No luck.
01:03:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So do you you guys see Minnesota?
01:03:51
Nick Psomaras
No luck. No luck. Only two. Only two.
01:03:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Minnesota's had two down winters in a row. you see them picking up this year, or do you see them down?
01:03:59
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. I mean, I think it's
01:03:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Because we got a lot of listeners in Minnesota.
01:04:01
Nick Psomaras
Right. I think it's similar to, you know, we're we're kind of telling Jeremy that he's right off to a good start this year or are supposed to the next couple weeks, which is good good news. um I think it's a similar kind of thing when when Jeremy suffers in snow. I think Minneapolis does as well.
01:04:15
Nick Psomaras
So vice versa this year.
01:04:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:04:17
Nick Psomaras
I think Jeremy will do pretty well, um which should translate to a a better winter for Minneapolis. And you know that That clientele, for us at least, has gone up the last couple of years. we We deal with a lot of people now in the Minneapolis, St.
01:04:30
Nick Psomaras
Cloud, Rochester area. And obviously, they're yeah they're they're great people, of course.
01:04:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
That makes sense because we got a lot of listeners in Minnesota.
01:04:32
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:04:36
Nick Psomaras
And they ah they what's it called they're starving for snow. I totally understand it.
01:04:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:04:41
Rob
Yeah.
01:04:41
Nick Psomaras
Because you've got to remember, three years ago, I think it was three, I've got to go back and look, they were completely spoiled.
01:04:42
RICK JAMES
You got hammered. Yeah.
01:04:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:04:46
RICK JAMES
100 inches. 100 inches.
01:04:48
Nick Psomaras
90 to 100 inches.
01:04:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:04:48
RICK JAMES
No.
01:04:50
Nick Psomaras
But that's the thing. like you can't I mean, it it is a snow zone. Minneapolis will get their snow, but you can't bank on a 90-inch season repeating.
01:04:59
RICK JAMES
no
01:04:59
Nick Psomaras
Like, that's not going to happen. But if we can somehow get that get back to that average mark or even – that's what I'm saying.
01:05:04
RICK JAMES
We just get an average.
01:05:05
Rob
but but I think Minneapolis is about 55, if I remember, about 55 inches.
01:05:06
RICK JAMES
We just want average.
01:05:06
Nick Psomaras
That's all it is.
01:05:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:05:07
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:05:10
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:05:10
Rob
fifty
01:05:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:05:10
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:05:11
Rob
And when you go to our website, guys, and whether you use us or not or decide to do the free trial, I'll tell you right now, go to theweatherpros.com.
01:05:11
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:05:18
Rob
Nick put together this. um Somebody's calling me here. Oh, Alan.
01:05:23
Nick Psomaras
Oh.
01:05:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
01:05:24
Rob
That was Alan, Nick, for the snow totals for the lake effect in Chicago.
01:05:27
Nick Psomaras
ah
01:05:27
Rob
i'll call
01:05:28
Nick Psomaras
Oh, right, we'll get back to them.
01:05:30
Rob
He's eating crabs in Baltimore right now. He's fine.
01:05:31
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:05:32
RICK JAMES
Ah.
01:05:32
Rob
it's He's a good guy. He's one of our big clients in Chicago.
01:05:34
Nick Psomaras
yeah
01:05:34
Rob
and He needs some back data for that lake effect they had.
01:05:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
but you
01:05:37
Rob
um Going back to Minneapolis and with the snow there, ah you know, 55 is the average. They're going to get their share this year.
01:05:43
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
01:05:44
Rob
Once you get out of a La Nina, like I mentioned earlier, it's more of a traditional winter. ah Go to our website, theweatherpros.com. We have the most comprehensive, winter outlook we've ever put together is 1134 cities. It has what to expect for snow, how much salt usage, and i'm not, I'm saying above or below salt usage. I don't know the nitty gritties of that, but we looked at all the kind like climatology of it and we put together everything.
01:06:09
Rob
in there. And we even sent it out to our clients, even some extra data that's on the website about what to expect this year. And if you notice a lot of it, we didn't really go wild with any region.
01:06:19
Rob
We didn't go way under, way over. It's because once you get into a non or la nada, as we call it, not like El Nino, you kind of skew to close.
01:06:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
lanaba
01:06:26
Nick Psomaras
La nada.
01:06:27
Rob
Yeah, why not?
01:06:27
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Hmm.
01:06:28
Rob
Neither one. 10% of either side of average.
01:06:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
like
01:06:30
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:31
Rob
So I think for you, Jeremy, I think you're going to be closer to normal this year.
01:06:33
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:35
Rob
ah My message to everybody listening is I think there are less events than last year, but better snowstorms than last year. So a one or two last year will be three, four.
01:06:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
for everybody or just jeremy in minnesota for everybody rob like ah like ah like more event or what less events than last year but more snow for everybody out there yeah across the country okay
01:06:46
Rob
Hmm? What's up
01:06:52
Rob
Yeah, most of the country will be that way, most of the country, because it's just it's just reverting back to what normally we had for the last few decades. So in a nutshell, yeah, Chicago got that way.
01:07:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
So Chicagoland, Illinois, Chicago should be good.
01:07:03
Nick Psomaras
They already got off to a good start.
01:07:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
I know they did.
01:07:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah, they did.
01:07:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
They were loving it because they've been dying too.
01:07:05
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:07:06
Rob
That was a weird storm, man.
01:07:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
They've been starving.
01:07:07
Nick Psomaras
My goodness. Yeah, that was bad. Yeah,
01:07:09
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:09
Rob
that was a weird storm for Chicago and Milwaukee. That was just a funky. I mean, I was shocked that it snowed in Chicago when the water was 54 degrees right up the street, you know, to get, and if you know, Lake effect and you're listening, 54 degree water right at the Lake shore and it's snowing like a banshee is hard to do in November because it's so warm that Lake still.
01:07:17
Nick Psomaras
yeah it was weird.
01:07:20
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:28
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:07:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:30
Rob
And it did it. And then it split into two and the weather service there, they were overplaying it too much. Um, And at the end of the day, it's split into two Lake Effect events just south of Milwaukee to where Keegan got clobbered.
01:07:43
Rob
And then they had Lake Effect almost 40 miles south of Chicago, which never happens.
01:07:47
Nick Psomaras
It was crazy.
01:07:48
Rob
It was a really weird storm. And at least the people in Chicago felt they got a good start this year than last year.
01:07:50
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:07:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:55
Nick Psomaras
Right. They didn't get they didn't get the 8-12 that you know Kenosha, Wisconsin got or even like Gary, Indiana.
01:07:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah, definitely.
01:07:55
Rob
Yeah.
01:07:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean.
01:08:01
Nick Psomaras
But even the fact that they got 2-4, that was so big for them and for a November snowstorm because you know we had guys saying like, nah, we're just going to sell the whole thing because we haven't had snow.
01:08:02
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:08:04
Rob
Yeah.
01:08:12
Nick Psomaras
like It happens. We totally understand that.
01:08:14
Rob
first it's just It's a superstitious group, I will say that. Plow guys live on the edge, man.
01:08:17
Nick Psomaras
They are. They're very.
01:08:19
RICK JAMES
Oh
01:08:19
Rob
I like it, but it's it's like, don't worry, it will st snow again. Don't worry, it will.
01:08:24
RICK JAMES
I mean.
01:08:24
Rob
You got to go through these times.
01:08:25
RICK JAMES
A storm like that got a lot of contracts on too.
01:08:26
Rob
Yeah.
01:08:29
RICK JAMES
so
01:08:29
Rob
It does because now you, yeah, you're right.
01:08:29
Nick Psomaras
True.
01:08:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
01:08:31
Rob
jere You're right, Jeremy. i mean, that, that helps everybody looking for contracts because the people that have to sign the contract are thinking the same way, you know, like the Syracuse guys we mentioned going, eh, we'll just do it by the inch.
01:08:45
Rob
Okay. You want to roll that dice. You're going to get burned. I mean, how do you bill by the inch, 140 inches of snow? you know i mean? What do you billing per inch there?
01:08:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:08:53
Rob
Yeah.
01:08:54
Nick Psomaras
that's a place where you That's a place where you really can't gamble because they don't get snow by the inches up there.
01:08:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly.
01:08:59
Nick Psomaras
They get it in feet. So if you if you're banking on them going well below average, it takes two lake effect events, two big ones, and you're well above average already. That's all it is.
01:09:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
100%.
01:09:09
Nick Psomaras
that's how it goes.
01:09:10
Rob
Yeah, it's it's going to be a good winter. I think overall, guys, like we mentioned, the winter is um bigger events, but less events.
01:09:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good.
01:09:15
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:09:19
Rob
So the gaps between the storms will be a little more than last year.
01:09:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. So back to normal.
01:09:23
Nick Psomaras
And yeah, I think the snow will be distributed more across the board as opposed to like one area getting absolutely clobbered and then 50 miles west getting nothing.
01:09:33
Nick Psomaras
Like we've had those we've had those winters where it was like, I mean, honestly, you had parts of the Florida panhandle get more snow than than South Dakota.
01:09:35
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:09:42
Nick Psomaras
I mean, how what that is insane.
01:09:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:43
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:09:44
Nick Psomaras
So I don't think that's snap I think it's to be fairly distributed.
01:09:44
Rob
Yeah.
01:09:45
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:09:46
Nick Psomaras
And hopefully we get a lot of guys to average or slightly above because that seems like the case. That's what that's what people like. They like the average or slightly above. And it's hopefully we get to that for a lot of people.
01:09:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's all we ask.
01:09:57
Rob
And by March, if we're wrong, delete the podcast, right?
01:09:57
RICK JAMES
it did
01:09:58
Nick Psomaras
That's all you ask.
01:09:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's all we ask.
01:09:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, no.
01:10:00
Rob
Is that the program we're doing, guys? By March, if we were way wrong, you'd just delete the podcast.
01:10:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh,
01:10:04
Rob
Take right off.
01:10:04
Nick Psomaras
Dude, we're dealing with you.
01:10:04
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:10:05
Nick Psomaras
Wipe it off the website.
01:10:06
RICK JAMES
did do you get Do you guys see any, since since you just mentioned Florida, do you guys see any big storms going south this year?
01:10:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah ah no
01:10:07
Rob
Delete, delete.
01:10:14
RICK JAMES
I mean, I know it's early and all that, but I got
01:10:15
Rob
ah No, if you go on our website, as we mentioned, the winter outlook, I don't see the carolinaoline South Carolina, district I don't see them getting snow this year.
01:10:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:22
Rob
This pattern doesn't dictate that because as you mentioned, Florida, Carolina, they don't really get snow.
01:10:22
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:27
Rob
So when we go back to a normal pattern, they don't get snow.
01:10:28
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:30
Rob
The normal pattern is usually snow.
01:10:30
Nick Psomaras
Right.
01:10:31
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:10:31
Rob
Last year, that jet dipped so deep and that's why you didn't get any snow, Jeremy.
01:10:32
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:35
Rob
the The jet passed by you every storm where all the moisture was developing said, I'm going south this winter.
01:10:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:41
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:10:41
Rob
I'm going to stay down there repeatedly. I mean, it wasn't once.
01:10:44
Nick Psomaras
you're Right.
01:10:44
Rob
Southgate twice.
01:10:45
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. man You had Kansas City under blizzard warnings every other week.
01:10:46
Rob
Yeah.
01:10:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:48
Nick Psomaras
i'm like, what the hell is going on right now?
01:10:48
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Right.
01:10:50
Nick Psomaras
it was crazy.
01:10:50
Rob
Yeah. Kansas City, believe it or not, doesn't get a lot of snow. They're far enough, know, if you think they would, but they're in the middle of a country where they're in a dry spot typically for moisture.
01:10:53
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:10:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. I'm
01:10:59
Rob
um So, you know, our message here at the end of this is basically, ah you know, don't panic this year. Let it play itself out. I think, um you know, you have to kind of look at less events, know,
01:11:11
Rob
But better events. That's my message. group no Not the whole country, mean everything but it's most of the country is going be that way.
01:11:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
fine with that.
01:11:14
RICK JAMES
Yeah. I like that.
01:11:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
back to normal
01:11:18
Rob
And if you have any questions, always shoot us an email.
01:11:18
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:11:20
Rob
Go right to our website.
01:11:21
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:11:21
Rob
We revamped everything. If you're on there, you can see it. We really upgraded.
01:11:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
It looks great. Yeah, you guys did a hell of a job.
01:11:26
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:11:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean, from where from where you started, it's amazing what you've what you've come to.
01:11:27
RICK JAMES
The
01:11:29
Rob
I know.
01:11:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
So good for you guys.
01:11:31
Rob
Yeah, we looked like we started with a box of crayons, and now we're like, you know.
01:11:32
RICK JAMES
bus. yeah
01:11:35
Rob
We filled that with being.
01:11:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
It was like, you know, no fluff, no frills, just good weather.
01:11:36
Rob
Yeah.
01:11:36
Nick Psomaras
yeah
01:11:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
And now you got a lot of gadgets to help us along the way.
01:11:40
RICK JAMES
yes
01:11:42
Rob
Yeah, and the bus.
01:11:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
go
01:11:42
Rob
And the bus is going to be fun.
01:11:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the bus. You know, you got your tailgate bus.
01:11:44
RICK JAMES
yeah the busss
01:11:44
Rob
It's going to be really fun.
01:11:45
Nick Psomaras
I can't wait. I cannot wait. I i never say, i mean, I i talk to you guys all the time. and I never say that I'm excited for Syma. I'm excited for Syma now because we got we we got a little extracurricular stuff that we can hang out and have fun with.
01:11:53
Rob
Yeah, we are. because we missed it last year.
01:11:54
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:11:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
is the ramp Is the ramp toy storage area big enough to get a dunk tank in there?
01:12:02
Nick Psomaras
Do we want to?
01:12:02
Rob
Oh, yeah.
01:12:03
Nick Psomaras
but it's Sponsored by the Snow Jobs podcast?
01:12:04
Rob
That back room.
01:12:06
Nick Psomaras
We'll put it in there.
01:12:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
That would be great.
01:12:07
Nick Psomaras
That would be awesome.
01:12:07
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Snow jobs dunk tank.
01:12:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:08
Rob
That room, guys, eight by 10.
01:12:08
Nick Psomaras
I love it.
01:12:10
Rob
So it's a decent size that I'm pulling.
01:12:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:12:11
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:12:12
Rob
So the 30 of the 40 feet I live in, and then the last 10 feet is there, the dunk tank.
01:12:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
We can get Sean in the booth.
01:12:14
RICK JAMES
Jesus.
01:12:14
Nick Psomaras
ah
01:12:16
Rob
I like it.
01:12:17
RICK JAMES
Oh.
01:12:17
Nick Psomaras
that be awesome
01:12:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sean will do it. Get him in the booth and just let him torque people. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:12:21
Nick Psomaras
but but
01:12:22
Rob
That actually is pretty cool idea.
01:12:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
You hit shit.
01:12:23
RICK JAMES
It could be like that clown guy, that clown.
01:12:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
You suck. Exactly.
01:12:25
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:25
Nick Psomaras
ah
01:12:26
RICK JAMES
That's.
01:12:27
Rob
Yeah, it's good stuff, guys.
01:12:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
01:12:27
Nick Psomaras
and love it
01:12:28
Rob
So...
01:12:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. So no, ah no other like areas that we got to put anything out that are, you know, for that you're seeing long term that they that's abnormal that they should know about.
01:12:38
Rob
No, I mean, you know, we cover everything from Alaska down through the Carolinas, back through Arizona.
01:12:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
No. All right.
01:12:44
Rob
We pretty much cover everything where it can possibly snow. And it's it's a little closer to even.
01:12:47
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
01:12:50
Rob
Some guys are going under again this year because they're buying into the La Nina. I'm not.
01:12:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
hmm.
01:12:54
Rob
It's it's barely a La Nina now. So my feeling is, looking back at all this data, and they've only had data on La Ninas and El Nino since 1950.
01:13:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
neutral.
01:13:03
Rob
It's not a lot of years. And you think about it's like 75 years. um
01:13:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:13:08
Rob
those neutral years were called neutral for a reason. When there was no La Niño-El Niño, you got close to the averages those years because there was nothing influencing on on a global scale.
01:13:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
I got you.
01:13:19
Rob
So when you don't have any major patterns influencing something, it tends to go to the average of the highs and lows.
01:13:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
hmm.
01:13:20
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:13:24
Rob
And that's why we feel confident that's where we're going to be for the majority of the country. If I thought there was anywhere that was going to be below, it's the further south you go, actually. The Louisville, that fringing areas that get a little bit of snow, they will be a little less this year than that little bit they get.
01:13:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
01:13:33
RICK JAMES
Gotcha.
01:13:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:13:38
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:13:40
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:13:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
What about St. Louis?
01:13:41
RICK JAMES
right
01:13:41
Rob
the St. Louis, probably a little, um maybe a little under.
01:13:45
Nick Psomaras
I think we, yeah, I think we have them a little bit under, um but it goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
01:13:47
Rob
I think we have.
01:13:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
01:13:49
Rob
Yeah. Is there on that side?
01:13:51
Nick Psomaras
Like the further South is less and you're not going to see those freak Southern snowstorms anymore.
01:13:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:13:54
Nick Psomaras
So, you know, even a little bit below average for St. Louis is quite a foot, 11 inches. So if you think I could still get something down there.
01:14:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:14:01
RICK JAMES
right
01:14:02
Nick Psomaras
I, yeah.
01:14:02
Rob
So it it's an icy market, they call They get a lot of mixed ice there in St.
01:14:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
with
01:14:05
Rob
Louis.
01:14:05
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, they do.
01:14:06
Rob
And we have a lot of big companies nationally that work out of there. And it's a weird market for us in St. Louis. We don't have a lot of clients in ah in a volume sense, but with the clients we have cover a lot of areas, multiple states.
01:14:18
Rob
And for some reason, they're all based out of St. Louis, which I guess you're in the middle of a country. Maybe that's where you base a national company. You know if you're going to self-perform, right, you're going to be able to move out whatever direction there versus yourself out.
01:14:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Maybe.
01:14:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Maybe they have great tax codes.
01:14:30
Nick Psomaras
Maybe.
01:14:30
Rob
Yeah.
01:14:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:14:31
RICK JAMES
okay
01:14:31
Rob
and you know Our largest clients are based out of St.
01:14:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
but
01:14:34
Rob
Louis and they cover a good part of the country.
01:14:36
Nick Psomaras
Jeremy, I just looked at the national blend, right? The model that takes into account every model that we have.
01:14:39
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:14:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah ah Oh, oh
01:14:40
Rob
Yeah, see?
01:14:43
Nick Psomaras
3.7 inches for Tuesday, buddy.
01:14:45
Rob
Yeah.
01:14:45
Nick Psomaras
Let's go.
01:14:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Whoa
01:14:46
RICK JAMES
Woo-hoo!
01:14:47
Nick Psomaras
Let's hope.
01:14:48
RICK JAMES
Oh, man. What time it starting? What time should I get my crew out?
01:14:51
Nick Psomaras
think like mid mid probably mid-morning Tuesday, lasting until like the early overnight period.
01:14:52
RICK JAMES
I don't
01:14:55
Nick Psomaras
probably I think early evening, late afternoon, early evening on Tuesday is probably the time that most of it's going to fall.
01:14:56
RICK JAMES
know.
01:15:02
Nick Psomaras
But hey, if it doesn't snow two to four, we delete this entire episode.
01:15:06
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:15:06
Nick Psomaras
It'll never come out on.
01:15:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh,
01:15:08
Nick Psomaras
Oh, there we go.
01:15:08
Rob
Well, why don't we take another one in a couple of days and we'll find one better.
01:15:09
RICK JAMES
oh No, we definitely play it.
01:15:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
I actually have a i have a time machine, and I have a recording of me talking to Jeremy on Wednesday morning.
01:15:12
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:15:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nope. Demi
01:15:21
Nick Psomaras
wow
01:15:22
Rob
Yeah, I would say spot could be like Aberdeen, Fargo, off the of Alexandria.
01:15:23
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:15:29
Rob
We got some guys over there. East of you, Jeremy. So we got some guys over there.
01:15:32
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:15:32
RICK JAMES
yep
01:15:33
Nick Psomaras
And then up to like, the what's it called?
01:15:34
Rob
Yeah.
01:15:35
Nick Psomaras
Bemidji?
01:15:35
Rob
mean
01:15:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah midji
01:15:36
Rob
But maybe then giving up that way, that could be the sweet spot for this storm.
01:15:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:15:37
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:15:40
Rob
And you know what? it's it's It's about time. It's this time of year when you do get your first snow. And it's not going to be all that out of the normal that if you could pick up a couple inches almost at the end of the month here for your area.
01:15:43
Nick Psomaras
Right.
01:15:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%.
01:15:44
Nick Psomaras
Of course.
01:15:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:15:45
RICK JAMES
Right. Right.
01:15:51
Rob
You just didn't see it last year, so it seems as a bonus this year.
01:15:55
Nick Psomaras
Right, right.
01:15:55
Rob
It's a bonus.
01:15:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:15:55
RICK JAMES
Right. right right
01:15:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sounds good.
01:15:58
RICK JAMES
Yep.
Appreciation & Community Engagement
01:15:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, boys. Anything else?
01:16:00
Rob
I think that's it, guys. I think as we started at the top of the the podcast, really think about using us. Try us against your weather source. That's the one thing most most companies that are in the weather industry don't do.
01:16:09
RICK JAMES
Yep. Mm-hmm.
01:16:12
Rob
And a you know we we want to win you over that we're good. And that's why we give you the free trial. And some of our trials sometimes run two, three, four weeks if it's not snowing yet when they start.
01:16:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen. Amen.
01:16:22
RICK JAMES
and but
01:16:22
Rob
um And some are a couple days. Depends on when you want to come in, how close you are to a storm. And our package, like we said this year, the one thing we are noticing is the late contracts. If you do decide to buy it, trial or not, we'll work with you on that as well because we know you have a budget like we do.
01:16:37
Rob
And we know you pay bills like we do. And there's a lot of moving parts running a plow company. That's true. That's for damn sure.
01:16:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
amen
01:16:43
Rob
you know
01:16:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
amen
01:16:44
Rob
So that's pretty much it, guys. I think just try us out. ah We've had tremendous success with you guys. And I can't thank you enough because it is mentioned so much, this podcast, and you're killing it.
01:16:54
Rob
I know your numbers are great.
01:16:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
um We appreciate it.
01:16:55
Rob
And I think for you guys, what we hear is you have very consistent numbers. There's a lot of loyal listeners now, and it it continues to grow.
01:17:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
We do.
01:17:04
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:17:05
Rob
And that's what our our base is too. We grow up here because we have a great retention rate like you have on the podcast.
01:17:07
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:17:11
Nick Psomaras
Right.
01:17:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:17:12
Rob
And that's the key to any business is a retention rate.
01:17:12
Nick Psomaras
Just, you know,
01:17:13
RICK JAMES
yep Yeah, you did.
01:17:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, 100%.
01:17:15
Nick Psomaras
Just another thing I was correct about.
01:17:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
um understand
01:17:16
Nick Psomaras
I mean, I knew you guys would get big.
01:17:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
You did you didn't call that, actually. You did. I'll give that.
01:17:21
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:17:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
You did call it. Three years later, still going and and growing every day.
01:17:24
Rob
We've got to swap some merch, guys.
01:17:24
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:17:26
Rob
We've got to swap some merch.
01:17:27
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we got to get and get you guys some stuff.
01:17:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:17:27
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:28
Rob
I'm sure.
01:17:28
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Send me what you, yep.
01:17:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
We love having you guys on.
01:17:30
Nick Psomaras
For sure.
01:17:30
Rob
Thank you.
01:17:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
We love breaking your balls, but I think everybody listening knows like when you're, when you're really, when it's time to stop joking around and and firing shots, you guys do a tremendous fucking job.
01:17:41
Rob
thank you
01:17:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
You really do.
01:17:42
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:17:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
There's no arguing with that.
01:17:43
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:17:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, you know, your shit, you get, you're available and you get it out there to us. And, uh, you know, I can't thank you enough. You guys have nailed my area in the last couple years. Yeah.
01:17:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
I've been outside of that little November thing. But as I always say, i don't know.
01:17:57
RICK JAMES
Wow.
01:17:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
I've said this, like I say, know, I break Nick's balls about it, but at the same time, November and April, I can't really hold any weather guys responsible because we all know it's pavement temperature and elevation based at that point.
01:18:00
RICK JAMES
ah I don't know.
01:18:08
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:18:09
Rob
It's free. It's everything.
01:18:13
Nick Psomaras
It's the worst time of the...
01:18:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's exactly.
01:18:13
RICK JAMES
on vacation They're on vacation.
01:18:14
Nick Psomaras
It's it's literally the worst. The the book ends.
01:18:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. And they're on vacation and Nick's away.
01:18:16
Nick Psomaras
The book ends.
01:18:17
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:18:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
He's gone.
01:18:18
Rob
Nick's already watching the Yankees game. He's already at Yankee Stadium.
01:18:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
01:18:20
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:18:20
Nick Psomaras
Oh, yeah, dude, I'm locked in.
01:18:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly.
01:18:20
Rob
I can't even imagine.
01:18:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
But you guys, ah you know, you guys nailed every event last year.
01:18:23
Rob
We went to a game earlier this year. it
01:18:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
i don't think you had one outside that November one. I don't think you missed all winter, even with all those events we had, because I think we were at 20. twenty We were over 20 events last year.
01:18:36
Nick Psomaras
You were, yeah.
01:18:37
Rob
Yeah, Connecticut, like I said, had 23.
01:18:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, I mean,
01:18:40
Rob
You had a tremendously high rate of incidents last
01:18:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, for what we normally, for what we're normally good for dropping blades, we were way more than double. And you guys, but you guys nailed that.
01:18:49
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:18:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
And what was impressive was even when I didn't want to fucking hear it, like you made one storm call that, oh you know, you're you're good, man. It's going to be six to eight inches and it's not going to change to so to sleet or freezing rain till like 3 a.m.
01:19:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
And you called and said, uh we're seeing a change over like 10 p.m i'm like you're kidding me dude we just pushed off the last snow and now it's going to change the freezing rain and sure enough you were within 20 minutes it had changed over so you know you guys are on top of your you're on top of your game
01:19:20
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, those are the tough ones.
01:19:20
Rob
Yeah.
01:19:21
Nick Psomaras
think
01:19:23
Rob
Well, we have our secret weapons, which are certain models we lean on and we have our own little formulas that I don't want to really give out because that's what makes a forecaster better than another one is how you use them.
01:19:23
Nick Psomaras
Appreciate that.
01:19:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
snow stradamas is that
01:19:35
RICK JAMES
Yeah, there
01:19:36
Rob
We're just going to change our weather name to the weather process.
01:19:36
Nick Psomaras
mr down is yeah
01:19:40
Rob
That's it.
01:19:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great.
01:19:41
RICK JAMES
yeah yeah there you go.
01:19:42
Rob
Change rap on the bus.
01:19:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:19:43
Nick Psomaras
yeah
01:19:45
Rob
Yeah, guys, looking forward to seeing you Syma, guys, in Cincinnati this year.
01:19:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, thanks for...
01:19:45
RICK JAMES
But yeah.
01:19:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:19:48
RICK JAMES
Yeah, definitely.
01:19:49
Rob
It should be a fun show. fun show i don't know if there's a ball game going on that week. Maybe. I that's it ah
01:19:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
There is. They're at home.
01:19:55
Nick Psomaras
The Reds are?
01:19:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. The Reds are at home that week.
01:19:57
Nick Psomaras
Oh, we definitely got to go catch one.
01:19:58
Rob
haven't been to that ballpark yet.
01:19:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Time week.
01:19:59
Rob
We go to –
01:19:59
Nick Psomaras
we're going to bring that We'll bring the tailgate to the to the Reds part. that'll be awesome.
01:20:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
And they're playing Milwaukee.
01:20:04
Nick Psomaras
Ah, okay.
01:20:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Milwaukee's in town, so...
01:20:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:20:05
Nick Psomaras
Ellie De La Cruz. yeah so I think that's some good names in there. That's going to be fun series.
01:20:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:20:10
Rob
Yeah, yeah. Guys, best of luck to everybody listening.
01:20:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:20:11
RICK JAMES
Thanks. Yeah. thanks
01:20:13
Rob
Have a safe and profitable winter. We only wish you the best because, you know, we're all we're all business owners and, you know, the name of the game is to hit the grind and and make some money and have some fun at the same time, you know?
01:20:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:20:23
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, same here, guys.
01:20:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen.
01:20:23
Nick Psomaras
Appreciate you guys for having us on.
01:20:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen.
01:20:24
RICK JAMES
yes
01:20:25
Nick Psomaras
And we we wish you all the best for the winter. And let's try to get you guys some snow. Not too much, but not too little. All right. Let's do that.
01:20:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:20:31
Rob
Right?
01:20:31
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:20:31
RICK JAMES
Nick, Rob, guys send me your addresses and sizes and I'll get you some stuff out there.
01:20:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
No problem.
01:20:36
Rob
And we'll do the return.
01:20:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
There we go.
01:20:36
Nick Psomaras
We'll send it to you as well. Perfect.
01:20:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
There we go. Yeah, it's going to be a good one, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody and their families. And, yeah, we we look forward to to seeing you guys again and hopefully, you know, wishing you guys best of luck on your forecast this winter because, you know, that you're you're only good you're only as good as your last forecast.
01:20:52
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:20:53
Rob
Yeah.
01:20:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Especially this week.
01:20:53
Rob
We're going to watching that AI this year. That's all going to say.
01:20:56
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:20:59
Rob
That is it he the Yeah.
01:20:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
i
01:21:00
RICK JAMES
Yeah. honest yeah
01:21:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:21:01
Rob
Yeah.
01:21:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:21:02
Nick Psomaras
Good thing there's to be a bunch that we can, you know, just deal with.
01:21:04
Rob
yeah
01:21:05
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:21:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
01:21:05
Nick Psomaras
yeah
01:21:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:21:05
Rob
yeah
01:21:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, boys, thanks as always for the time.
01:21:07
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
01:21:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thanks for giving us all the info coming on and we'll, we'll cut it there. So thanks for Nick and Rob for everybody out there listening, you know, big thanks to them for the time, the information, make sure you go over there, try the free trial, see what they can do to you to do for you to help your business.
01:21:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
And we'll see you next week. All right. That's it.
01:21:26
Rob
You got it.
01:21:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Happy Thanksgiving again.
01:21:27
Rob
Fingers crossed for Jeremy.
01:21:28
Nick Psomaras
Happy Thanksgiving, guys.
01:21:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
What's that?
01:21:29
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:21:30
Rob
Happy Thanksgiving.
01:21:30
RICK JAMES
Thanks guys.
01:21:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. Big snow. We'll see if Jeremy gets snow or not. You'll know about it before this drops, but happy Thanksgiving to everybody's families.
01:21:35
RICK JAMES
Yeah. ah
01:21:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
And we are out guys. Keep pushing.