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Daredevil (2003)
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Finally, Perry's master plan has come to fruition. The reason why he started this podcast was to someday trick Derrick into watching the director's cut of the 2003 Daredevil, and now the day has come! So how does Derrick react to a movie he's resisted watching for almost twenty years? Will he rage against the film or will he find some stuff he liked? You've gotta listen to find out!
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Security Breach: Daredevil Implicated
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How did you get past my security? Oh, you mean that good? Was that really necessary? Necessary? No. It was fun. You know, you've exceeded all my expectations. You even managed to implicate Daredevil in the process. You should be pleased. He... made me... miss...
00:00:48
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There's an old saying that too much pride can kill a man. The devil is mine. Really? I've heard that before all too many times. But answer me this. How do you kill a man without fear? By putting the fear in him.
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Superhero Cinephiles Introduction
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that. First. Give me lecture. All my best. Is there anything else? Yeah. I want to fucking cost you. Welcome to Superhero
Quarantine Lifestyles and Media Hypocrisy
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Cinephiles. I am half of your coast, Perry Constantine. And as always, I am the other half, Derek Ferguson.
00:01:46
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How are you doing today, Derek? Oh, pretty good. Pretty good. We had a beautiful sunny day here in Brooklyn. And the wife and I got out and we took a drive, you know, which is the good thing about having a car. You can get out and you don't have to interact with anybody because, you know, we still got the coronavirus thing going on here. So we are still, you know, we don't care what the news says. Me and my wife are still
00:02:13
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in quarantine. Yeah, I don't blame you at all. I feel the exact same way. I'm doing some classes in person now, like about like three days a week I go do in-person classes, but the other classes are digital and the university where it's still pretty much all online, they sent us out an email and they said, you know, if you want to do in-person classes, you know, you can send us an email to fill out a form to request to switch to in-person class. And I'm like, you know what? No, I'm fine right where we are.
00:02:43
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And now, and see, for me, here's the thing. Everybody is in a rush to go back to the stores and the restaurants and the beaches and the shops and everything like that. And for those people that do that, I always ask them one question. I say, OK, do you watch the news? They say, yeah. I say, where are those people still broadcasting from?
00:03:06
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They're still broadcasting from their basements or houses, anything like that. You don't see any of them going back into the studios, right?
00:03:14
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Yeah, that's one of the things I've been saying. I'm like, look, these people, I mean, like, if they really believed the crap they were selling, then how come they're not going to these protests with the armed protesters in Michigan and joining side by side? Exactly. How come they aren't launching, like, I mean, they got the money. How come they're not launching, like, you know, advertising campaigns to get Fox News to open up their studios? There's a reason. Exactly. So you know what? As long as they're still doing that, as long as they're staying apart, I'm staying apart.
00:03:44
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For me, it's always been lead by example. Exactly. Now, you can't tell me to go to the restaurants and go back to work and do this and everything. When you still sitting in your house in your basement doing your job. That's the social commentary for the day, folks.
00:04:07
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Oh, yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. Like, I feel the exact same way. I'm not risking anything unless I have to, so I'm only going out
Perry's Other Podcast and Japanese Cinema
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when I absolutely have to. Other than that, I'm still staying inside as much as possible. If I want to get something from a restaurant, I just go through the drive-through. I don't bother going inside. Yeah, me too. I don't go inside anyway. If it's not drive-through, I don't go.
00:04:27
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Yeah. Yeah, same here. And let's see what else is going on. Oh well, I had got to give a little announcement to everybody because I had you on my other show last week, Japan on Film, and we talked about the Japanese remake of Unforgiven, which was a great episode. A lot of fun having you on there. Oh yeah, it was wonderful. I had a good time talking about it. Matter of fact, I watched that movie again since then.
00:04:52
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Oh, really? Yeah, I watched it again. I had to. It was, yeah, it's such a good, I mean, I probably would have watched it again for about another year, but I said, but you know what, let me, you know, after we had talked about it, so when I say, you know what, I gotta see this again. And I did, I watched it again. Yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic. Amazing, amazing movie. And it's not, not really, like we were saying on that show, it's not really, not really better or worse, but it's a very, it's equal. Like it's a very different kind of feel. Yeah, exactly.
Fan Influence and Director's Cuts: A Debate
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So yeah, you guys can check that out, japanonfilm.com if you want to find out what exactly we're talking about here. And don't forget to tell them that Japan on Film has got a Facebook page now.
00:05:36
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Yes, yeah, we got a Facebook group. I just launched it the other day. So yeah, Japan on Film, just search it through Facebook and you can find the group there to join in. A bunch of people have already joined up and we're gonna start using that as the show comes back with its next season. Sharing video clips, sharing recommendations, all that fun stuff.
00:06:00
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And there's some other comic book superhero related news today, or this past weeks, because last time we talked, there was the announcement of the Snyder Cut of Justice League. And then what happened right after that is all the people who had been clamoring for the Snyder Cut, then they start wanting the director's cut of Suicide Squad and they want Snyder to be able to do Justice League 2 and Man of Steel 2 and it's like, there's no satisfying. Is this shit ever gonna end?
00:06:30
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No, it's not. That's the thing. And some people were getting kind of upset with us because we were saying some of the way that it went about is a little bit iffy. And I'm all for director's cuts. Even back when Justice League was first released before Snyder fans started threatening people on social media and harassing people, even back then I would say, you know what? Yeah, it'd be interesting to see the Snyder cut come out. I mean, I don't think it's going to be good, but I think it'll be interesting to watch.
00:07:01
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But all that harassment that came out after it, I feel like it sets kind of a weird precedent for studios to then say, okay, well, we're gonna do what these assholes tell us to do. Well, you know what? Studios have never stood in the way of, they don't let anything stand in the way of making money. But I have to say that, I agree with you 100%. I don't believe in rewarding toxic behavior.
00:07:30
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And me personally, I've always been a person, I've never responded with all the threats. My wife will tell you, don't not threaten Derek. You know, because see, that, you know, that just drives me up the wall. And I don't believe in, especially after we've had all of these years of people were visiting death threats. Yeah, you know, and to me, it doesn't matter. People say, oh, well, they were just talking. They weren't really gonna do it. No, that's a bunch of bullshit. You know, there's some things I don't play with. And that's one of them.
00:08:00
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Yeah, same here. You don't make death threats under any circumstances unless you're prepared to carry it out. And I posted this on Twitter. I said that, you know what? You can have both feelings, right? You can both be curious about what's in the Snyder Cut and also be concerned about the fact that a bunch of assholes got rewarded for being assholes. Yeah, and exactly, this is what happened. And if anybody's offended by that, well,
00:08:29
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Hey, it is what it is, as far as I'm concerned. You know what? You don't reward assholery. Yeah. And see, me, I'm like you, because we've discussed in the Facebook group that, you know what? It wasn't like the studio took the movie away from him and butchered it. No, the man had a personal tragedy, and he had to leave the movie, which of course any sane human being is going to do.
00:08:57
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Right and like I know there's a lot of rumors behind the scenes that he was being pushed out but the fact is none of that's been confirmed. Exactly. So as until it's been confirmed you know let you got to stop with the conspiracy theories that everybody's out to get Zack Snyder. Right exactly
Director Changes and Hollywood Dynamics
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you know such wasn't the case the man suffered a personal tragedy and
00:09:20
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he had to leave shooting the movie and the movie was given to another director, which is something that happens in Hollywood all the time, believe it or not. I could sit here and name you a whole bunch of movies that was directed by people other than the ones it was credited to because for one reason or another, they couldn't finish the movie. In fact, you know what, I'm still, like I think the bigger injustice is what was done to,
00:09:48
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were the guys who did the original, who had done solo. Oh yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, now that movie was taken away from them.
00:09:59
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Yeah, now that movie was taken away from them. And Lord and Miller, that was their names. And I'd be more interested. I think that was a bigger injustice, what was done to them. But you're not seeing anybody going through and harassing people because of that. No, no. And actually, a lot of people, including me, who's so and so, I love solo simply because I could not believe that Ron Howard had that movie in him. Now,
00:10:27
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That's not to say there wasn't a lot of what was already filmed was in the movie. So it could well have been the work of another director, as I'm saying. But the movie is credited to Ron Howard. So I got to go with that. But you're 100% right. That was a totally different case, was where you did have a movie that was taken. Or how about, what was it, the original screenplay for Ant-Man?
00:10:52
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you know and all that yeah uh with edgar right with him with him leaving the picture and you know and now you know Scott Scott Derrickson leaving dr strange too and all sorts of stuff like that like this kind of stuff happens in hollywood all the time yeah and you know what i'm really not comfortable with this thing where i mean you know the fans think that
00:11:13
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they should be the ones to dictate to studios every aspect of a production of a movie from the casting to you know the director to who does the special effects it's getting to that point where they're saying well the movie's made for us so we should be the ones to decide what you know
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Evolving Fan Opinions on Films
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on. Right, and here's the thing, and you and I both know this from our time working in fanfic, just because you're a fan doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Word. Serious. I mean, I saw this all the time, you know, back in the comics, like whenever the comics would do something to appease the fans, then the fans hated it. Well, of course they did, because the fans don't, let me tell you something about the fans.
00:11:59
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And here's where we're gonna lose about 20 listeners. The fans have no idea what they want. They don't know. The fans don't know what they want until it's actually put in front of them.
00:12:11
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Here's an example I always used to use when I was arguing with other comic book fans about how you don't know what you want. Because if the internet was around in the 1980s when Storm ditched her weather goddess look and went all punk, the internet would have melted down 20 times over. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.
00:12:34
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Or when, you know, Frank Miller did his Daredevil run and he took this character who was very kind of like, you know, swashbuckling, you know, kind of jocular type character, almost like a Spider-Man light type character, and then turned it into this, you know, gritty, nor ask thing. Like in retrospect, we love that. But at that time, if you had been reading the comics and the internet was around, people would have lost their shit. Well, this is what I tell people all the time that, you know, things that later on,
00:13:04
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Okay, five, 10, 15 years down the road, oh, we claim that we love it and it's a classic, but at the time, you know, people hated it. One of my favorite examples that I use when I tell people, now you talk to film fans now, say, oh, what do you think of Blade Runner? Oh, it's a masterpiece, it's a classic, it's this and that. But when Blade Runner first came out, everybody, and I do mean everybody hated it.
00:13:30
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember distinctly remember standing online outside of the theater waiting to go in to see it. And the previous audience, they came out and when they came out, they were telling us on the line, see if you can get your money back. Don't go see it. It's terrible. Nobody liked Blade Runner. But if you talk to everybody now, Blade Runner is this, oh, absolute masterpiece of science fiction cinema. Sometimes it takes time
00:13:58
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and distance for you to get a perspective on something. But people have such a knee-jerk reaction to things that they hear something and they automatically hate it. Well, remember the
Daredevil Film: Initial Reception and Analysis
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Phantom Menace when that came out?
00:14:14
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Everybody hated that then. Yeah. I still hate it. I still think it's a terrible movie. I hated it when they... I hated it then. I tried to be watching the prequels recently and I hate it now too. So I still hate it. But there are a lot of people who have changed their minds on that movie over time.
00:14:30
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Yeah, I have. Yeah, and I'm one of these people. Now, don't get me wrong. It's still a seriously flawed movie. But over time, I've come to realize that the flaws of the movie does not lie with the actors. It lies, instead, squarely with George Lucas, who by his own admission, and he has said this,
00:14:52
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in numerous interviews that I've heard and read that he hates directing and he's writing. And I can tell, he doesn't. He is not what is known as a actor's director. No, no, definitely not. He doesn't like working with the, he likes technology. Yeah. That's what he likes. And George Lucas, what he should have did was that, okay, but he's a fantastic idea man.
00:15:18
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He should have just come up with the idea and then turn the movie over to writers and directors And let them well, I mean that's that's why empire strikes back was the best the original series because he was very You know, he had written the script but then he had like handed everything over to Lawrence Kasdan. You're right Yeah, and that's why to this day if you ask most people. Oh, what's your favorite story? Oh the Empire Strikes Back Yeah, yeah, because that's because so that's why my
00:15:48
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feeling toward the Phantom Menace has mellowed because now I no longer blame the actors for it because that movie was miscast, horrendously miscast, except for, of course, Liam Neeson. Oh, I mean, you can never miscast Liam Neeson. Yeah, and Ewan McGregor.
00:16:05
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Yeah. And in fact, Ian McGregor is gonna get another chance because they're doing the Obi-Wan series or movies or whatever it is on Disney Plus. Because actually what that trilogy should have been, it should have been just The Adventures of Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Oh hell yeah, I would have loved to see that series. And then in the last 10 minutes of the third movie,
00:16:32
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they meet Anakin Skywalker. And that's it. And you leave the rest up to our men, because we know what happens. You know what? I actually, I probably would have brought in Anakin as an adult in the second movie. Because that would have given a time to kind of establish his relationship with Obi-Wan and everything. And maybe you kill off Qui-Gon in the second movie. And then the third movie is
00:16:55
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There's a rift between him and Obi-Wan that just grows. Okay, you know what? I'd go for that. But that whole nonsense of the first movie with this nine-year-old kid and basically, he's Jesus Christ. He builds robots. He's a pod racer. He's the chosen one. Oh, man, please.
00:17:20
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But
Daredevil's Characters and Casting Critiques
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this conversation is actually a good transition to what we're talking about today. Yes it is. Because we're talking about a movie that was despised, absolutely despised when it came out in theaters back in 2003 and then
00:17:35
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the director's cut, which restored 30 minutes of footage, right? 30 minutes was just cut out of this movie completely when it was released in the theaters. Then the director's cut came out and people were like, oh, you know what, this is not so bad. And in retrospect, when you look back on it, yeah, it's still, it's still a flawed movie, but there's a lot of good stuff in that. And that is the 2003 Daredevil movie. This is a movie that Perry and I fought over for years.
00:18:02
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We have history with this movie, folks, because I hated the original cut of this movie, as most people did. I was not alone. And then when the director's cut came out, Perry said, oh, Derek, you really should do yourself a favor and watch the director's cut. And I said, with my usual reasonable, measured, calm,
00:18:28
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Rational bullshit, because I did not believe in my naivety that a mere 30 minutes added to the movie could make a difference. And for years, we were going back and forth, back and forth. Every once in a while, Perry would ask me, have you seen the director cut it there over yet? And I said, no, I've been busy drinking Drano instead. So,
00:18:55
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Very cleverly, he took the opportunity since I made a commitment to do this podcast with him, and he knows how I am about my commitments. He very cleverly used this as a means of finally making me see Daredevil, the director's cut.
00:19:11
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This was my plan all along, right from the start. I'm like, how can I, for years I've been sitting on the blackboard and I've been like drawing out plans and going back and forth and like talking to experts. They're like, how can I get Derek to finally watch the director's edit here?
00:19:26
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And then it hit me. I'm gonna make, I'm gonna ask him to be on a superhero podcast. I'm gonna throw a bunch of movies that he likes watching at him. And then, boom, once he's it, once he doesn't suspect it, I'm gonna make him watch Daredevil. You wanna talk about playing a long game? Man, you know how to play a long game. My respects to you, sir.
00:19:51
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Now, uh, when I saw this movie in the theaters, um, I had actually just started to get into the Daredevil character shortly before this movie came out. Um, so I, I, I had come into the character through like the, the Kevin Smith, um, Marvel Knights comics. And then I was, I started, I, I looked, I started like the character. So I started picking up other stuff like the Frank Miller run and all that kind of the born again series, all that kind of stuff and really kind of boning up on the character. And,
00:20:19
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When I saw the theatrical version, so in my defense, like I was also like 19 at the time. So my movie tastes weren't as refined as they are now, but when I saw it in the theater, like I didn't really notice the plot holes. I just thought, oh, well, this is actually pretty good. And this is also in a world where this was before X-Men 2 either.
00:20:39
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So, I mean, this is in a world where we didn't really have a lot of options for superhero movies. So there was some good things about it. Like I liked, I thought Ben Affleck did a pretty decent job. I thought Colin Farrell and Michael Clark Duncan were great as Bullseye in the kingpin. My biggest sticking point then, and even still now after I saw the director's cut was Jennifer Garner as Electra. Oh, gosh.
00:21:05
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But for the most part, I enjoyed it. I thought it was a fun, entertaining movie. And then when I found out about the director's cut and I saw that, I was completely blown away by how much, and actually watching the director's cut made me realize how many plot holes were actually in the theatrical cut. When I was thinking back and comparing the two in my mind, I'm like, oh my God, they really did, the original one really didn't make any sense. Oh, okay.
00:21:33
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Now see, I didn't make any time to watch the original, you know, version. There's really no reason to go back and rewatch the original version. Which I guess we can call the uncut version. But yeah, but I didn't make time to go back and see that because like I said, I have not seen this, out of all the movies that we've reviewed so far, probably the most amount of time has gone
00:22:01
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between viewings. This is the one that I would say that the most time has gone between because I saw this
00:22:09
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Did I see this in the theater? I probably did, because it's their day. Probably did, yeah. I went to see this in the theater. And then I've seen it maybe once or twice since then. When it comes on, if I had a free weekend of HBO or something like that and they were showing it, I said, OK, let me watch it. And I would watch it. And I was still under press. But I have never seen the directors cut until today I watched it. So yeah.
00:22:37
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So what'd you think going back into it? Okay, first of all, the casting. Like you said, Jennifer Garner. Now, I got nothing personal against Jennifer Garner. I don't. I don't understand why she's supposed to be, you know, this super hot, gorgeous babe, which to me kind of hurts.
00:22:58
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the characterization of Elektra in this movie because whenever everybody talks about how gorgeous she is, I just say, well, I don't see it, you know?
00:23:12
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I think, well, she's an attractive woman. She's not an ugly woman, but she doesn't have, but she's got a much more conventional look. But Electra, the whole thing about Electra is she's got this kind of exotic type of allure and this mysterious type of allure. And Jennifer Garner just does not have that at all. And she's supposed to be Greek. And Jennifer Garner looks anything but Greek.
00:23:38
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And apparently there was, you know who they had offered this role to, who was like, came very close to landing it, but who did not get it was Elijah Dushku. And she would have been a much better choice. Yeah, when I think of a woman that has, you know, like, you know, those type of, what I would think, like, if you say, name the actress who looks Greek to you, I would think of the woman that played Diana Troy on Star Trek Next Generation.
00:24:08
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or Catherine Zeta Jones. Yeah, somebody like that. Jennifer Garner, no. She doesn't look great to me. And also, she has a strong, to me at least, she has a strong resemblance to Julia Roberts who leaves me equally cold in terms of acting. I look at Julia Roberts and I don't see it. Right, yeah, yeah.
00:24:36
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So that's it, Ben Affleck. Okay, well, first of all, I like Ben Affleck. I am not one of these people. I don't understand the hate for Ben Affleck. And to me, a lot of people simply just don't like Ben Affleck, simply because he is Ben Affleck.
00:24:53
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That's what I've noticed as well, yeah. Yeah. Nobody can ever give me a reason why they don't like Ben Affleck, but I just don't like him. Well, we're not in junior high school. If you don't like somebody, presumably, tell me you don't like his acting style. Tell me his eyes are too close together. But just don't tell me, but I just don't like him.
00:25:16
Speaker
you know, that makes no sense to me. I think a big, I think a big reason for a lot of the Affleck hate came because he did a string of bad movies, right? Like he was in a string of very, very terrible movies. And, but that, but people need to stop confusing his, his choice of roles with his acting style. Well, yeah, that's it. Because you know what? He is a very good, as a matter of fact, he's a better director.
00:25:42
Speaker
Oh, hell yeah. As an actor. In fact, I'm going to take it a step further. His brother, Casey, is actually a better actor than him. Yeah. Casey Affleck. But that's because he works at it harder than Ben Affleck. Also, I think he does too. Because I think that when he had that string of bad movies, yeah, I think that kind of did something to his head.
00:26:05
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for a while, because he was really getting hammered in the press and people were saying, oh, you know how it goes. You make one or two bad movies. Oh, his career is washed up and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. And unfortunately, this movie came at a time when he was in that mode where he was making a lot of bad movies. So this kind of got lumped in with all those as well.
00:26:29
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To give him his credit, Ben Affleck actually puts a lot into this role. He's not phoning it in. I like the fact that he looks exactly like a John Romita Jr. drawing of Matt Murrow. Yeah, absolutely. It looks exactly
Comparing Daredevil Film and TV Show
00:26:44
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like he stepped off the page. But if there's one thing that I can say about him in this movie is that he's not lazy. He's committed to this just as much as he committed when he was Batman.
00:26:58
Speaker
Say what you want about Ben Affleck. But he knows how to play superheroes. Here's the thing that a lot of people don't realize about Ben Affleck is that Ben Affleck, and we've said this about a lot of other actors, is a comic book fan. Right. He wrote the, back when Kevin Smith's Daredevil run was first collected in a trade paperback, Ben Affleck wrote the introduction. And in the introduction, he talked all about how when he was a kid, he had gotten mesmerized by Miller's Daredevil and all that kind of stuff. Right.
00:27:27
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And so when he got this role, he went back and he read every single Daredevil comic that had ever been published up until that point. And I believe it because you know what? He puts those subtle nuances into Matt Murak that
00:27:44
Speaker
OK, from now on, I'm going to tell people who rave and rave about Charlie Cox as being Daredevil. I'm going to tell them to go back and watch this movie because there isn't a thing that Charlie Cox does as Daredevil that Ben Affleck didn't do first in this one. No, basically, the only thing is that Charlie Cox had much better writers. Yes.
00:28:05
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And that's really where this movie fails, is the writing and the directing is nowhere near as good as the Daredevil TV show. But as far as performance goes, yeah, they do a lot of the same things. Exactly. They do a lot of the same, there's a lot of little subtle things.
00:28:18
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that he does, like, to mess around with Foggy, like, when he switches the... They're having coffee, and Foggy thinks he's pulling a fast one on him, because Matt asks for honey to put it in his tea, and he gives them, you know, mustard. The mustard, yeah. Yeah, because they've been having a fight. And then when Electro, she walks in, and Foggy gets distracted, and when he's distracted, Matt switches the cups on him.
00:28:41
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Yeah, after he's poured, like, you know, an entire thing of mustard in this cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah. It's a little subtle thing. And he doesn't, you know, he doesn't, like, go out of his way to bring attention to it, which, of course, you're not doing if you're trying to, you know, switch something on somebody. You don't make a big production number out of it. And may I say that I completely forgotten John Favreau was in this movie, and how delighted I was to see
00:29:08
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how far back this guy's association with Marvel movies has went yeah and you know he's so good in this like he was he was one of my favorite things even when i saw this in the theater was just like his performance was was perfect as foggy as a matter of fact i like
00:29:25
Speaker
The relationship that Affleck and Favreau have as Matt and Foggy, and it is better than the one Charlie Cox has with the guy that played Foggy in the TV series. Yeah, Eldon Hanson, I think that's his name. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. They're both good actors and everything like that. But for some reason, Favreau and Affleck convinced me in a very short amount of time that they were good friends.
00:29:51
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Yeah, yeah. In a way that those are the two guys that it took me a while to believe that they were actually friends.
00:29:57
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Yeah, and I love the just the little interaction like that coffee shop scene between the two of them are great when When he talks about their client who who paid in fish? Yeah, right and then he's like and he's like he's like well You know, mr. Lee doesn't have a lot of money and he likes to go salsa dancing on he likes to he likes to go fishing He's like, yeah, well, I go salsa dancing on the weekends, but I don't shake my ass to pay my phone bill yeah, you know, so that's probably why I like it because
00:30:23
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The foggy in the TV series, you know, he doesn't so much come off as being Matt's partner, as that he's just being dragged along. You know, there's a lot of times Matt says something, he just goes along with it. Not hearing this movie, you know, Favreau says, listen, listen, he makes no bones about the fact he wants to make money.
00:30:44
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah. And they argue about it, which is what they suppose, you know, partners and friends, that's what they're supposed to do, because they have a point of view. Which, another great moment in there when he talks about how, you know, remember in law school, they taught us how to create a moral vacuum so we can represent people who are an innocent. Yeah. And then Matt's like, yeah, that was your best course, wasn't it? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, you know, yeah. So I really like that give and take between them. And, you know, all of the interchanges in this movie are really good.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But like I said, I was, I, because I completely forgot he was in this movie and then I saw the credits and said, John Faber, I said, John Faber, I said, wow. So this guy was in the MCU before it was the MCU.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah, in fact, I think this was one of his first connections with Marvel, because Kevin Feige worked on this movie as well. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He was one of the executive producer, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And in fact, Feige also told people, when you see the director's cut, a lot of the complaints you had about the original will go out the window. Oh, OK. But yeah, the casting in that, aside from Jennifer Garner, the casting in this is really well done, I thought.
00:31:56
Speaker
And the only other one I would say just kind of doesn't quite fit, and it's not because he was bad in this movie, just because he doesn't really fit with my vision of the character, is Joe Pantoliano as Ben Urich. Well, you know what, Joe Panto, Joey Pants uses the nickname, because I can't ever pronounce his last name. But you know what? I always liked seeing him pop up.
00:32:20
Speaker
in anything he does. But yeah, I think I would, you know who I would probably go in with somebody like, what's his name? Steve Buscemi? Yeah, I could see that. Yes, Bob, yeah. But- The guy that got to play him in the first season of Daredevil, he was really good. I thought he was like the perfect Ben Urich. Oh yeah, Vondi Curtis Hall.
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah, he was amazing. And I was so pissed when they killed him off. Oh, yeah, that was a mistake. They should have never did it. That's why I liked it so much at the end of this movie when, first of all, Ben Yorick was still alive. And you got the impression, they left you with the impression that they were going to be working together. Yeah, yeah. I really liked how that, yeah. But yeah. And then, go ahead, sorry. No, no, no, you go ahead.
00:33:06
Speaker
Well, I was gonna say that we also had Ellen Pompeo from Grey's Anatomy as Karen Page, in like a very blink and you miss it kind of moments. Yeah, when I said, oh, I said, wait a minute, that's what would be Karen Page? Yeah. I mean, she's not even like a supporting character in this.
00:33:25
Speaker
No, she only has like basically, she has like two appearances. And she helps Foggy at the end when she tells him that you're looking at it upside down. But other than that, like that's the most she does in this movie. Yeah, and really if you're a Daredevil fan and knowing the history of Karen Page and how important she is, but then again, the whole romance between Matt and
00:33:54
Speaker
Jennifer Garner, you know, that takes up the movie. So they didn't have time to shoehorn in a relationship between Matt and Karen. Which is one of the biggest failings of this movie, is they try to do too much.
00:34:11
Speaker
Like they, they try to cram because Frank Miller's run it spans like, you know, three big graphic novels, the, the, the Daredevil epic lectures are like three big graphic novels, and they try to cram all that material into two hours and it just, there's not enough time there's not enough
00:34:28
Speaker
You need breathing space in a story that big. And let me say that my primary opinion of this movie has not changed. I still do not feel, even though I'm gonna say that, you know, and as we go on, I'm gonna tell you what changed in my opinion of this movie. I don't consider it a completely worthless movie or a bad movie, but let me say this, I still don't believe that it's a complete movie. I think that it started out to be Frank Miller's greatest hits, and that's exactly what it is.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Even though, in retrospect, my opinion of this movie has cooled, definitely. But there's still things I like about it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's things I like about it. But as I said, that this movie was more concerned with being Frank Miller. I mean, right from the opening shot, which was taken right from a cover that Frank Miller did for Daredevil, where he's hanging on to the cross.
00:35:25
Speaker
That was actually Joe Quesada, I think. Oh, OK. Well, I stand corrected. But still, it's a powerful image that they use of a devil. He's hanging on to a cross and everything like that. And everything in this movie, like you said, was taken from that epic run that Frank Miller had. But it's so compressed. Everything, I mean, this was a run that took like what?
00:35:55
Speaker
See how many years to? Oh, it was at least a few. Right. Because I know that the Frank Miller, the classic Rott, it's three big trade paperbacks. Right. Okay, so let's say, let me see, 12 issues in a year. So let's say like three years. At least. Okay, so now you're trying to cram three years of story into a two-hour movie. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't work. It just doesn't work.
00:36:25
Speaker
Whereas when you think about it equivalent in the TV show, they did basically three seasons to tell the same amount of story. Right, exactly. Which is what you really need. Right. Which is why, and I've always maintained this, not every superhero needs a big summer CGI $300 million blockbuster movie. Some characters work much better as a serialized TV series.
00:36:52
Speaker
Yeah, and Daredevil is definitely one of those characters because he doesn't go up against these, you know, threats that are gonna destroy the entire city. I mean, occasionally he does, but not often. Like he goes after threats that are, it's like simmering in the background, right? The kingpin is not making grand plans to destroy New York. Yeah, I mean, Daredevil is basically a crime slash noir slash cult.
00:37:22
Speaker
Which means it's a character that lends itself towards serialized storytelling. It's not like, okay, you can have a big character like Thor. And people may find my logic wonky, but to me, you can get across the themes of a character like Thor better in a bigger movie than you could in a TV series.
00:37:47
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Plus you need it because for someone like Thor, you need that spectacle. Right, exactly. But Daredevil, Daredevil works much better as a TV series because, okay, we've seen crime TV shows before. Okay, this is a crime series. It's just that the main character isn't a cop or a detective. He's a blind guy in a costume. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:38:12
Speaker
Yeah, and that's exactly what it is. Like these characters, like the street level characters, Daredevil, Luke Cage, even Spider-Man, they work much better in a serialized format than they do in these big action movies. Yeah, exactly, because then...
00:38:25
Speaker
You have to compress the storytelling and then you have to break it down to its simplest components. Okay, here's the good guy, here's the bad guy. What does the bad guy want? Okay, the good guy's gotta stop him. Who's our love interest? Okay, throw in one to two supporting characters. Oh, of course, our hero needs a goofy, funny sidekick and bam, you got a movie.
00:38:45
Speaker
And some of that shows some of the cracks in this. So for example, there is no stick in this movie who trains Ben Affleck. And so then you're left wondering, well, how did this kid end up becoming a martial arts master? Exactly. I mean, OK, one minute he's blind, and the next he's in the alley beating up the bullies, and he's doing backflips like Bruce Lee.
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so by not having a stick in there, like you said, we're confused as, wait a minute, how do you learn how to do all this stuff? Right. And it's the same thing with Electra, because we don't get any insight into how she ends up becoming a martial arts actress. Then all of a sudden her father dies, and then we see her training with size and shit like that. Yeah, it's like, because
00:39:38
Speaker
You have the syndrome in a lot of these superhero movies and especially, well, not now, but I can name a lot of examples where it seems like all the character has to do is just put on a costume and all of a sudden they're a master martial artist and acrobat. Yeah. And there's no explanation why. It's just, oh, well, they just put on a costume. And now all of a sudden they can leap 20 feet in the air and they can fight ninjas.
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah. Now, this movie, I think, would have been improved 100 times if it had just cut out the electro story completely. Because really, you don't need it. No, no. It's a waste of time. And I'm sorry. That schoolyard fight is the dumbest thing. It still is
Daredevil's Villains: Portrayals and Performances
00:40:22
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the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. It is really dumb. And you know what else that struck me this time, watching it again, is the way he goes after her is really creepy. Yeah, because he just, you know,
00:40:33
Speaker
This guy won't take no for an answer. Yeah, yeah. I felt really uncomfortable rewatching that lead up to that scene. And then he just grabs her like, don't walk away from me. Yeah. And I said, whoa, dude, don't you know that this is the Me Too generation?
00:40:52
Speaker
See, I'm like, I mean, you know, I don't blame her at all for trying to beat the shit out of him in the park. Like, I would have done the same thing. Of course not, because, yeah. You know what? Because she wants him away. She says, listen, I don't like being followed.
00:41:04
Speaker
And he says, well, I just want to know your name. I just want to know your name. And then she walks away again, and he reaches out and grabs on and says, don't grab your wrist. Yeah, yeah. I said, whoa, dude. Yeah. The boundaries, man. Boundaries. Yeah, seriously. But yeah, but that fight is still ridiculous. And that's kind of the problem when you're trying to introduce Electra and Matt for the first time as adults like that. You need some kind of shorthand, which shows why that it shouldn't have been done in the first place.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know what? They should have just invested a little time in a flashback to when he was in college, like they did in the TV series. Right, right. Just give us five minutes to establish, OK, they already know each other. Well, that's why I'm even more convinced that they should have just left Electra out completely. And instead, they should have built up the relationship with Karen Page. That would have been a much better thing. And then in the sequel, you bring in Electra.
00:42:03
Speaker
Right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You always save Electro for the sequel. But then again, again, they did not know if they were going to get a sequel out of this movie. They did not know. So they said, well, you know what? We're just going to fire off all of our missiles, which is why they got Bullseye in there. They got the kingpin. Let's fire off all of our missiles and hope that they all land. All right. Now, that's a good segue, because I wanted to talk about Michael Clark Duncan and Colin Farrell.
00:42:33
Speaker
Like Duncan, in retrospect, especially after seeing D'Onofrio, who's amazing, Duncan does seem a little over the top. But in general, I still think he did a really good job as the kingpin. Here's the thing about having the kingpin on screen. Now, you and I are familiar with the way he's usually depicted in the comic books. And there is no way you could get an actor who looks like that.
00:43:02
Speaker
No, no. So therefore you have to get an actor with a voice and a presence.
00:43:09
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which both Michael Clark Duncan, God rest his soul, a talented, beautiful man taken from us too soon, and Vincent Donofrio. These are both actors of stature, presence, and they know how to communicate power. Like Michael Clark Duncan, that first shot we see of him standing by the window, he's holding the cane, he communicates power just by standing there.
00:43:34
Speaker
Right, yeah. That's amazing to me. And, you know, that, yeah, once in a while, he goes a little bit over the top. But that's only because everybody else in this movie is like playing it like absolutely straight. Yeah, yeah. You know, him and Colin Farrell are the only ones that are like saying, OK, well, we're in a comic book movie, so we're going to act accordingly. But everybody else is playing it absolutely, you know, like they're in a serious, you know, Academy Award winning drama.
00:44:00
Speaker
right and especially good with Duncan um like because he usually play and plus like he was a by all accounts he was like the nicest guy in real life oh yeah yeah everybody and yeah and he usually and he's got this kind of reputation for playing kind of like a gentle giant type of thing like in the green mile
00:44:18
Speaker
or stuff like that. But in here, he actually does manage to come off as pretty menacing. That scene when Nicholas Nachios comes to talk to him and he says, I want to buy you out. And Fisk is just sitting there very calmly lighting his cigar and just the look on his face. And you just know shit's about to go down. Oh, yeah. Like I said, he knows how to communicate power and menace. And he does it with a look.
00:44:47
Speaker
He does it with a gesture. He's a big guy, but see, that's the thing about big men like that. They don't have to be physical in order to project menace.
00:45:02
Speaker
Yeah. You know, they know how to use their size. They know how to use their voice. And of course, Michael Clark Duncan, he's got that voice like, you know, boom, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah. He's got that voice that makes your chest vibrate if you stand too close to him. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I thought he did great in the role. And in fact, he went on to voice Spider, voice Kingpin in the new animated Spider-Man series. Yeah, I read that somewhere. Yeah.
00:45:31
Speaker
Very cool. Yeah, but he did. Yeah, but I liked him a lot in there. I liked him a lot. I liked him, you know, and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking about he's gone now and I said, wow, such a shame. The roles that he could still be playing now. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:45
Speaker
And then Colin Farrell is Bullseye. Like I love Bullseye the first time I saw this movie because he's just, Colin Farrell just like completely throws himself into the role and he just has a lot of fun. And Bullseye has always been this kind of over the top character to begin with. The guy is, wait a minute, the guy is walking through the airport. Like, I mean, can you call any more attention to yourself?
00:46:08
Speaker
I mean, for God's sake, you're a master assassin. Presumably, you're trying to leave the country quietly, and you're doing everything you can. You put a toothpick and a pen in the... I love that first scene when he's introduced. One of the reasons Colin Farrell took on this role is because the director said, you can use your own accent. Because he had never... All the movies he'd done before this, he had to do an American accent. Right.
00:46:37
Speaker
And this time they introduce him, he's in Ireland, he's in a pub, he's drinking beer, throwing darts, not even looking at the board. Not even looking at it. Well, what is it? The Beastie Boys, I think it was, top of the morning to you, is playing in the background. Yeah, yeah. And that was just like such a perfect introduction to Bullseye, I thought. I'm trying to think who, because it's not the Beastie Boys, it is top of the morning to you, but it's that same group, the House of Pain.
00:47:07
Speaker
House of Pain. Yeah, House of Pain. You jump around. Yeah, top of the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great group. Great group, yeah. And just a good intro for Bullseye. And yeah, you're right. The airport scene is a little bit over the top. But it is kind of funny because he does have like these toothpicks and stuff, and as if it's supposed to be a dangerous weapon.
00:47:29
Speaker
Like, if you're airport security, you're like, what the hell is this? Yeah. And he's sucking on paperclips and, you know, and I'm looking. And the people in there, you know, they're looking at, you know, what is wrong with this guy, you know? And he's intimidating the guard dog with, you know, the, you know, the drug sniffing dogs. He stares them down and everything like that. I say, could he be calling any more attention to himself?
00:47:54
Speaker
But so aside from that, what did you think of Colin Farrell in general as Bullseye? Oh, like I said, listen, I enjoyed him.
00:48:02
Speaker
Because, yeah, him and Michael Clark Duncan, they said, OK, well, these are characters from a comic book, so we're going to play it accordingly. He is obviously having a lot of fun, I mean, you know, with the role. And they have a scene together where he's in the kingpin's office. And it's like they're trying to, you know, doing a game of can you top this acting-wise. They're trying to see this to be more over the top in that scene.
00:48:30
Speaker
Like, when he asked him for a costume, he said, I want a costume. I said, you know what? Call him for your ooh. OK. Here's the best way I can sum up his performance. While I'm watching it, every time he does something, I say, is he for real? Is this cat serious? And yeah, he is. Yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker
Yeah, that line jumped out at me too. Because I'm just like, you know what? With the way Colin Farrell's been playing this character, I'm not sure if he's joking or not. I don't know if he's for real or what. He may have just seen Daredevil's costume. Which, may I add, is one of the best superhero costumes I've seen on screen. Yeah, it works pretty well. I love that costume. Especially at the end when he finally buckles the neck part. Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
Yeah, because for a lot of the movie, he leaves, and I know that a lot of people, they didn't like the fact that the cow was a separate piece. It was a connection to the rest of the costume.
00:49:33
Speaker
But in general, it works very well. And it seems like a costume he could easily put together. Because it's basically just like a leather biker outfit that's got a double D sewn on it. Yeah. And you know what? It's functional. Yeah. It's stylish. But OK, yeah. It looks like something a superhero in the real world would wear.
00:49:58
Speaker
Right, exactly. Yeah, it's not like, what's the best example I could use? It's not like the bat suits that we see. Right. You know, with the sculpted, molded, yeah. No, it's not. This is something that, yeah, you know, it's leather, but it's very soft leather that he can apparently move very easily in. Well, you can believe the
Daredevil's Abilities and Realism
00:50:18
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kind of bat suits because Bruce Wayne's got more money than God. But for Daredevil, if he was running around something like that, it wouldn't make any sense for how we'd be able to put that together.
00:50:27
Speaker
Well, I wouldn't know about that because that apartment he lives in is a, and I'm trying to figure out, how can this cat live like this when apparently he doesn't make any money as a lawyer? Because he spends all his money on self deprivation, sensory deprivation. Well, this is what I'm saying. He's got a sensory deprivation tank, you know, he just touches the walls and they, you know, slide open and, you know, he's got, I mean, he's got all of this crap in there. I'm saying, wait a minute, where did he get the money for all this stuff?
00:50:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point, yeah. I did like them using the sensory deprivation tank though. I thought that was a, because that's something that makes sense, right? Like, especially after a night of like, you know, intense crime fighting, like you would just want to be able to shut everything out. Especially if you're someone who has those types of enhanced senses. So I did like that little touch they threw in there. But see, if we had Stick in this movie, who taught him how to control his senses,
00:51:25
Speaker
would have no need for the sensory deprivation tank. Because I remember there's a scene where, OK, the tank slides open. And as soon as he gets out the tank, it's like he can hear everything. Yeah, yeah. So apparently, he hasn't quite learned how to tune out
00:51:50
Speaker
all the sounds that he normally hears during the day. But I'm glad you mentioned that scene because this is a superhero movie that actually shows the debilitating effects
00:52:03
Speaker
that superhero he has on the human body. Yeah, yeah, I like that. That first night he comes in, he's like peeling the jacket off, and he's got all these bruises all over his body, he's got all these scars, and he takes the shower, there's like blood washing down his body, a tooth is loose, he has to pull out. Yeah, yeah. And then he's like, he's chewing painkillers. Yeah, then he goes to the medicine cabinet, because apparently,
00:52:28
Speaker
The Ben Affleck daredevil is addicted to painkillers, because he opens up the medicine cabinet, and there's nothing in there but all kinds of different kind of painkillers. And he's just popping them down. I said, but you know something? That's good, because you know, like in most superhero movies, we don't, especially with these street-level superheroes, we don't see that. We don't see the debilitating effects that superheroing has on the body. But here we do. You know, this guy comes back from a hard night of superheroing, and he's tired, and he hurts.
00:52:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And also it shows like how driven he is, right? You really believe that, well, this guy must really believe in what he's doing in order to put his body through that every night.
00:53:13
Speaker
Well, yeah, we go back to the old tried and true thing where he has a parent that is killed. And in true Bruce Wayne fashion, he decides to become a crime fighter. I mean, that should be a given for all crime.
00:53:31
Speaker
If I was a crook, the last thing I would do is kill anybody because I would be too afraid of creating a Batman or a Daredevil. I said, no, I can't do that. Yeah, man, but he's seeing your face. Yeah, man, but shit, have you ever seen Batman? It's not worth it, man. I'd rather go to jail. So let's see, what else is there to talk about here?
00:53:54
Speaker
Oh, the Coolio subplot that was completely cut out of the movie. And with good reason, because there was no, what was the, you know what, the only reason I think that was there for, so we could have scenes in a courtroom so we could see Matt Murdock doing the lawyer stuff. Well, I mean, the point of that was that that's where they get the incriminating evidence on the kingpin. That's how they find out his identity. Right.
00:54:20
Speaker
So that's why that was there, and that's why I thought that was important. Yeah, but I don't know. Well, because other than that, because in the theatrical cut, it really makes no sense for why the cops would be coming after Kingpin, because they've got no evidence on him at all. Right.
00:54:38
Speaker
But in this, it makes sense. They've got that scene with, they got that subplot with the police detective, Manolis. Right, yep, yep. Because they got the scene where Matt, he gets in the car and he's wrecking up his car and then he gets him to talk, yeah. Which also comes from the,
00:54:59
Speaker
from the Frank Miller run, because he couldn't read the guy in court. Yeah, right, exactly. And as it turns out, because the guy has a pacemaker. Right, right. Because as we see, Matt Murdock has such a good lawyer, and the only reason why he insists on defending the innocent is because of his enhanced hearing, he can actually tell when somebody's lying.
00:55:27
Speaker
He's a human lie detector. He can just listen to their heartbeat. And that's why he takes this guy's case.
00:55:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. No, Coolio. Yeah. Because he listens to his heartbeat. And he says, oh, yeah. And he says, yeah, man, well, I know you don't believe me. And Matt says, oh, yes, I do. He says, yeah. I believe you. Dante Jackson, that was his character's name. Yeah. He said, I believe you. Yeah. And I thought Coolio did a pretty good job in the role. Like, I love that scene when he's on the witness stand. And Foggy's asking, he was like, you don't own a handgun. Do you? He's like, no, sir. And he's like, now a shotgun.
00:56:06
Speaker
They make a good comedy team. Yeah. They do. Yeah, I got a lot of good laughs out of that scene. But speaking of Daredevil's powers, I'd like to say that this movie does an excellent job of visualizing Daredevil's
00:56:24
Speaker
you know, radar sense for us and how he perceives the world and how he uses his powers to perceive the world. I thought it was very good, very well. In fact, that's something that the TV show didn't really do. There's that one scene when he's with Claire and he talks about, that's like really the only time we see his powers in action, his radar sense. Right, exactly. But this move and
00:56:51
Speaker
It actually was quite romantic, where he's on the roof as him, and it's Electra. And she says, she's got to go. And he says, no, hold on. Don't go. She says, why not? He said, because it's getting ready to rain. She said, how you know it's going to get rain? And he's explaining to her how he knows it's going to rain. And he says, what? He says, and when it rains, he says, I get a totally different perception of how things go. I said, that's really the only way I can see how you look.
00:57:15
Speaker
And I said, wow, you know what? That is really kind of touching. And then the rain hits her and everything like that. And that gives them a true image of how she looks. Yeah. I got to admit, listen, even a hard-hearted guy like me, I found that to be a very romantic moment. It was.
00:57:34
Speaker
Now, something else I liked about that, which was changed in the theatrical version. Because in the theatrical version, he hears something going on in the background, and he has to leave her. And then she tells him to stay with him, stay with her. And he does. But in this scene, in the director's cut, he actually does leave her. And he goes off to go fight. And there is that scene where, now, one of the things is, I kind of like and I kind of don't like is the,
00:58:02
Speaker
his approach like how because like in the beginning he lets the guy get killed on the train tracks yeah yeah and then he's beating up this other guy right in front of his kid and he's like and he's like no don't hurt my dad and then he's like i'm not the bad guy kid and then he kind of realized oh shit i am yeah yeah because yeah that kind of surprised me when he just like he just straight up just let the guy get killed by the train
00:58:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Okay, I understand. The guy just held a loaded gun to your head and he was getting ready to kill you with no compunction. But the daredevil that I know from the comic books would have found a way to disarm the guy and disable him without throwing him on the train tracks.
00:58:45
Speaker
Yeah, see, that's my thing. Like, I understand what the movie was trying to do, how they're trying to show that how he's evolving and he's changing as a crime fighter. But still, like, it does feel like those kinds of character journeys where you have to kind of learn that killing is bad, I don't like those kinds of stories for a superhero. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's just as bad. But you know what? Again, because as I'm watching this,
00:59:12
Speaker
being an exact copy of a lot of the beats of Batman, you know, there are a lot of similar elements in this movie. Like, you know, like in what movie was that? Was that Batman Returns? Was Batman Straight Up Murders?
00:59:30
Speaker
Like everybody. Yeah, I mean like he burns up one guy, he straps a bomb on one guy and throws it back. And he's smiling, probably does it no less. He's smiling. And then the first Batman, he throws the guy down the church, you know, yeah.
00:59:49
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So yeah, I mean, Daredevil was like, I said, wow. Because I completely forgot that part where he throws the guy, you know, he throws him right on the train tracks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not like the train is coming so fast that he couldn't get the guy. He tells him, he said, well, you know what that is? He said, that's the sea trade.
01:00:08
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Yeah, yeah. That might have been in the tunnel. That's the seed crane. And he's watching the guy get his kill. And I said, man, that's not daredevil. You know? No, no. Yeah, that was something that doesn't sit well with me. Because also, it makes it at the end.
01:00:25
Speaker
the the revenge he gets against the kingpin does kind of feel a little bit hollow it's like well look man you killed these other scumbags without a problem but you're not going to kill the guy who's been running the show and killed your father right exactly you know this guy was just you know okay he was a scumbag but there's plenty of scumbags like him this is the guy to kill
01:00:48
Speaker
you know, your father and presumably the love of your life. And you know, you're just gonna let him go. Although it can be argued that he said that, you know, putting the kingpin in jail is more of a humiliation for him than just killing him, which he would rather prefer.
01:01:03
Speaker
Right, yeah, yeah. You know, because he's that type of character that, you know, your death would be preferable for him, rather than the humiliation of, you know, going to Rockers Island and hearing from the other prisoners all the time. Yeah, you ain't the kingpin in here, sucker. Oh, speaking of that guy he kills, I remember when they were in the bar, when Daredevil attacks them. Remember, there's that one guy who tells him, he's like, hey boss, who's that? Is that guy for real? That guy was the Rock's cousin.
01:01:33
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Oh, OK. So like, because every time I watch that, I'm like, wait a minute, is that the rock? Because it looks just like, yeah, he did. And you know what, now that you mention it, I'm looking at himself, why does he look familiar to me? But yeah, I knew it wasn't the rock. But yeah, there was something familiar about him.
01:01:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So apparently he's Dwayne Johnson's cousin. Oh, OK. But I just chalked it up as that, well, I must have seen him in some other movie, you know. Right, right. Also, we had, who is it? Mark Margolis, who was in Breaking Bad as Salamanca. Right, yeah. And he plays the old kingpin, Fallon.
01:02:15
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Easter Eggs and Cultural References in Daredevil
01:02:16
Speaker
who tells Matt's father to throw the fight. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that guy's been in a ton of, going back to the 70s, he's been like in a ton of mob movies, you know? Yeah. If there was a mob movie made during the 70s and 80s, he was in it. Now, one of the things I think this movie suffers from a little bit that kind of takes me out of it, watching it again, is it does have a little bit of that Snyder Watchman feel where it tries to be too faithful at times.
01:02:45
Speaker
So like a lot of the, there's a lot of Easter eggs in this movie. And you know, every now and then you throw in a little Easter egg, you reference like some creator in the movie, that's fine. But like every single name they use in this movie is like a creator who worked on it. Oh my God. It starts with the name of John Romita on the marquee with him having a fight.
01:03:06
Speaker
And he talks about how, and his dad's talk about how he fought colon and, um, and then Fallon saying like, you know, all my fighters, Miller, Mack and Bendis, they're all my fighters.
01:03:18
Speaker
Mr. Lee gives him the fish and the Kevin Smith has a cameo as a forensic as a forensic guys and he's his friend and he's Kirby. And you know something I honestly did not recognize Kevin Smith because of course I'm used to seeing Kevin Smith as he is now after he lost all that weight
01:03:40
Speaker
And, you know, he's got gray hair now. So I'm looking at this cat, and I'm hearing the voice. And I said, wait a minute, I know that voice. But I don't know who that is. And then the credits come up, and I'm reading the credits. And I said, oh, shit, that was Kevin Smith? I said, oh, yeah. Yeah. I also like the little, the Billy Club, how they're able to translate that into live action. It was very, felt very faithful to the way they do it in the comics. Yeah.
01:04:10
Speaker
The Billy Club has more personality in this movie than it does in the TV series, actually. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it's also got more personality than Electra does in this movie. Yeah, I mean, you know, the Billy Club here, which is what it's supposed to be, it's Daredevil's shield. Or, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like, what's the other guy, Thor?
01:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, Mjolnir. Yeah. Right, yeah. Right. It's like throw over this hammer, Captain America with a shield. OK, that's what Daredevil's Billy Club is like. It shouldn't just be a stick. And here it's got those goofy gadgets built into it. He can turn it into a pair of nunchucks. He can make a staff out of it, which is massively cool to me. So yeah, I'm with you. I appreciate this. Even Kevin Smith, when he's showing it to Ben Urich, he says, man, I've got to show you something that's
01:05:07
Speaker
Damn, this shit is cool. Yeah. And he's right. I mean, it is a damn cool Billy club. Like, I kind of wanted one of those after watching the movie. Are you kidding me? And you see the daredevil, you know, back in his apartment where Matt Murdock goes. He has about like four or five of them.
01:05:26
Speaker
Well, yeah. And that makes sense because, you know, it's used to kill Electra's father and then it has to stay there because you have to have it. So it makes sense that he'd have several. Yeah. But again, where did he get them from? Who made them for? Them things can't cheat.
01:05:47
Speaker
Yeah, that is one of the issues with that. And that is one of the things with these kind of movies is, where did he get all this stuff? How do you even find an apartment like that in Hell's Kitchen? Well, see, this is what I'm saying.
01:06:03
Speaker
You know, but you know what? One thing that this movie does, that the TV show doesn't, which is kind of weird about the TV show, and I believe we've discussed this before, in that it's set in modern day New York, but the Hell's Kitchen that it shows in there is the Hell's Kitchen that hasn't existed since the 1970s.
01:06:29
Speaker
Right. You know, that's when Hell's Kitchen was Hell's Kitchen, trust me. Well, the TV show, they did have an explanation for that because it was after the Battle of New York. So like when like the Chitauri and Loki had like leveled everything.
01:06:46
Speaker
So that was like the kind of backstory behind that because they talk about the, I can't remember what they call it, but like the crisis or the event or something they call it in the Daredevil TV show. And that's the idea was that these criminal elements came in to fill the void to rebuild the city.
01:07:07
Speaker
So that's kind of, because that's why Fisk's whole thing in the TV show was he was involved in construction. Right, he was construction, yeah, because he was planning on rebuilding the city and rebuilding Hell's Kitchen. But here in the movie, I like how they had the voiceover and Matt Murdock are saying, yeah, well, I grew up in Hell's Kitchen and I still live here, but it has a big call that in years now, it's called Clinton. Yeah. So I kind of like,
01:07:37
Speaker
that they admit, okay, this isn't like the Hell's Kitchen that you knew, you know? And actually, to be honest, when Frank Miller did his run on Daredevil, that Hell's Kitchen hadn't existed either. The Hell's Kitchen, he showed it, you know, it didn't exist. But his Hell's Kitchen was Hell's Kitchen that he took from 1940s Warner Brothers' gangster movie, really, to be honest. Okay.
01:08:05
Speaker
uh all right now is there anything else to really talk about with this i'm trying to think if there's anything we missed well it's your movie you take it out uh i can't think of anything else like mostly it's it's decent it's got
01:08:26
Speaker
It's trying too much to tell all of Frank Miller's story in one sitting, and it really would have done better if you'd taken Elektra out, and it would have been a much stronger film. Matter of fact, I can say I only have two major nitpicks with this movie. One of them, as I've already said, and you've just reiterated, that I will always maintain that this is not
01:08:52
Speaker
a fully fleshed out movie. It's just Frank Miller's greatest hits.
01:08:59
Speaker
the miscasting of Jennifer Garner, who, you know what? Like I said, even though I don't care for her as an actress, I got nothing against her personally. She's got to eat. I understand she took the job, and it is what it is. But I just feel that they could have picked another actor. OK, if you're going to tell me that she's Greek,
01:09:22
Speaker
at least do me the courtesy of giving me an actress that looks great. It's like you telling me that you're gonna make a remake of Shaft and I don't know, Matthew McConaughey is gonna play John Shaft. Don't sell me one ethnic group and then give me an actor or actress who looks nothing like that.
01:09:48
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think she's, I don't mind, I think she's a decent actress. I thought, I loved Alias, so I thought she was great in that, but she just doesn't fit a let go. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't fit a let go at all, you know. Even though, listen, she gives it her all, you know, like I said, there is one thing, if there's one thing that I would positively say about this movie, everybody gives it
01:10:13
Speaker
They're 100%. Nobody's phoning it in. Nobody is, you know, doing the wink, wink, nod, nod. The serious actors play it seriously
Superhero Roles and Actor Legacies
01:10:23
Speaker
and the ones who don't play it so seriously, but they're still doing their job and they're conveying the story. And this isn't a cheap movie, mind you. This isn't like, you know, like you have like,
01:10:36
Speaker
some movies where it looked like they skipped on the budget and everything like that. They didn't skip on the budget here. There's a very handsome looking movie. It looks good. It moves at a nice steady clip. The pacing is good. It is not a boring movie at all. And I would recommend it to anybody who is a fan of superhero movies simply for the sake of you can watch
01:11:04
Speaker
what a Marvel superhero movie was like before the MCU came along. Yeah, and it is funny to see how many of these actors ended up going on to play other superhero stuff because Affleck said that he had been done with superheroes after this movie and then he ends up going to play Batman. And then Colin Farrell, no, he's going on to the Batman movies too. He's going to be playing the penguin. Right.
01:11:28
Speaker
And John Favreau, of course, went on to play Happy Hogan and directing the first two Iron Man movies. Just like a lot of people in this movie ended up doing some other superhero stuff and just continuing on. Well, let me ask you something. OK, for you, was Ben Affleck, was he a better Batman or a better Daredo? It's hard to say in both cases, because in both cases, I think he wasn't given the material he really needed.
01:11:59
Speaker
But overall, I think he gets the edge in Batman because he had a chance to kind of like correct some of the missteps of Batman v Superman in Whedon's Extra Justice League stuff. So I think I'm leaning more towards him being a better Batman. Yeah, you know what, I give him the edge of being a Batman. Only because, okay, this is why.
01:12:24
Speaker
I give him the edge because of the surprise factor because I did not expect him to be that damn good as Batman. Daredevil, when I heard he was gonna play Daredevil, I said to myself, eh, okay, you know, okay. I could see that, yeah. But if you had told me Ben Affleck was gonna play Batman, I would've laughed myself to her name. Much as I like him, I said, nah, I don't see him as Batman. Now,
01:12:48
Speaker
looking back at him and, you know, playing Batman in Suicide Squad and, you know, Batman versus Superman and, you know, Justice Lee, I would have to say that after Michael Keaton, he's my favorite Batman. Yeah, yeah, I think I probably, I'm putting him, I do like Christian Bale a lot, but they both have, they're issues with both those performances. And so it's hard for me to kind of like pick which one I like more. And I am firmly convinced
01:13:19
Speaker
There's no doubt in my mind that if Affleck had got that solo Batman movie, he would have been my favorite problem. He would have ended up being my favorite. Oh, I think I can definitely agree with that. I think if he had stuck with that movie, then that would have been like he would have cemented himself as the best Batman. Exactly, yeah. I think you would have. But listen, but he's got nothing to be ashamed as, I mean, as far as this movie goes, he's got nothing to be ashamed of.
01:13:48
Speaker
He did a very good job in this movie. He can cringe a little bit at the playground scene.
01:13:57
Speaker
Well, yeah, OK, well, listen, listen. Nothing can help that play good. And it surprises me that he's a writer himself. But you know what? He probably felt like, well, you know what? I'm not the writer. I didn't write this. I'm not the director. Well, it's funny that Guy Pearce was offered the role, and he turned it down. And when he turned it down, he said that the comic stuff wasn't something he wanted to be involved in, that he ends up being an Iron Man 3. Hey, listen.
01:14:26
Speaker
When you see how much, there was a lot of people that said they would never be a part of the superhero movies and they hated those movies, everything like that. A lot of those people ended up being in superhero movies because of one, as you and I both well know, these are international movies that make them garner a lot of money and attention. Yeah. I mean, actors,
01:14:52
Speaker
uh worth okay look at chris evans chris evans went for being a pretty good actor you know he was known but nobody was going to see a chris evans movie and he plays captain america and what happens he's the entire the the entire course of not only his career but his life changes
01:15:14
Speaker
Oh yeah, and now he's got the clout to basically do anything he wants. Anything he would... That cat could walk into any studio and say he would make a movie out of anything, and they would say, yeah, they're gonna go for it. Yeah. And that's happened with a lot of people, and you have a lot of these people
01:15:33
Speaker
that with okay anytime I read about an actor or director talking about oh well those movies are trash and I wouldn't do one of those movies if you paid me I translate that as meaning marvel why haven't you called me and given me a job yeah yeah yeah but yeah but now the and those actors they do like Robert Downey like they're like
01:15:55
Speaker
they can, some of them can become like Tom Cruise level of freedom. Cause Tom Cruise can walk in the studio and he says, you know what? I want to put on a fat suit and dance around in a, to rap music in a Tropic Thunder. And studios like, Hey, okay. Yeah.
01:16:11
Speaker
Bingo, that's it. Anything you want. Mr. Cruz anything you want to do It's fine with us as long as you keep making these billion dollar bottom, you know These billion dollar blockbusters never you can do anything you want and yeah, yeah certain that Robert Downey jr Walked in the water brother Samara said he wanted to do a all-black musical version of Citizen Kane. They say yeah, okay Mm-hmm
01:16:37
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, they'll let them do whatever they want now. So some of the other casting stuff was interesting because they had, Matt Damon was also, he's also a big Daredevil fan too. And he was offered the role, but he turned it down because he didn't really quite believe in the script or the director. And then Vin Diesel was also offered the role, but he chose to be in another film. Let's see what it is.
01:17:03
Speaker
He chose to be in the Fast and Furious. I was about to say he chose to be in a little thing called the Fast and Furious. I wonder, I wonder what ever happened to that. Yeah. But I mean, and also like, you know, good for him for, for making that choice, but also good for the movie. Cause Vin Diesel is Matt Murdock. I cannot see that at all. No, no, no. You know, as we've said before with these superhero movies, casting is extremely important. And like I said, the first time I saw
01:17:34
Speaker
Ben Affleck on screen, both as Daredevil and as Matt Murdock. I was sold. I said, yeah. Because like I said, as Matt Murdock, I said, oh, shit. He looked just like he stepped off the page as drawn by John Romita Jr. And in that costume, like I said, that costume, I said, OK, it's not exactly the costume from the comic book, but it works. It works, yeah.
01:17:59
Speaker
It works for me. So yeah, he sold me right off. And Jon Favreau, he sold me as Foggy. Mm-hmm, yeah. So it doesn't, but as those of you who've been listening for a while, you know, it don't take much to sell me. I mean, he's in a cell. I'm not as picky. But, and trust me, when I was watching this one, I would say, yeah, I'm gonna, oh yeah, I'm gonna look for shit to attend.
01:18:25
Speaker
I'm going to get Perry. I'm going to get him for this. He making me watch this. You know what? After about 30 minutes in, I just sat back and just let myself be entertained. I said, yeah, because there was a little nitpicking things in there that I could have done. But on the overall, I would say that I enjoyed about 75% of this more.
01:18:48
Speaker
Yeah, one other thing I wanted to call out is the soundtrack on this movie, with the exception of House of Pain and the song that plays when they introduce the kingpin. Those are the only two songs that actually feel like they fit in this movie. Everything else, it's that very 2000 flavor of the week new rock stuff that was coming out that time. Yeah, very un... How can I put this? Very unimpressive musical score.
01:19:16
Speaker
except for like you said, the top of the morning when it introduces, I said, yeah, okay, that fits him to a T. And it's very funny that you bring that up about Colin Farrell. Cause I know that plenty of times he said that he would always get that from people when he would go on shows like Jimmy Fallon and stuff like that when he came here and his movie career was just getting started.
01:19:45
Speaker
And he would speak with his native accent. And he said, people would ask him, well, why are you talking with that Irish accent? And he said, well, this is how I talk. Because Colin Farrell is all, well, I don't know about now, but when I first heard him speak, you couldn't understand what he was saying. That's not the connection it was. No, no. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:05
Speaker
and uh and yeah and that that was you know i really liked bulls i know a lot of people complained about bullseye's look in this movie but i i thought it really fit that the way that ferrell was portraying the character well you know what i get the
01:20:17
Speaker
I think that if they had brought him back for a sequel, because we do see, and that's another thing that I like about this movie in that it doesn't follow the convention of a lot of superhero movies that felt they had to kill off the bad guy at the end. The bad guys are still alive. Yeah. At the end of this movie. And Bullseye, he's paralyzed, but we see he's getting back his, you know, mobility because he kills the fly with a hypodermic
01:20:41
Speaker
Yeah, and that's something that happened in the comics, too, because that's when he got the adamantium skeleton. Right, OK. I think that if they had done a sequel, they probably would have went that route and given him the costume as well. Yeah, yeah. And also, the Daredevil TV show ended on the exact same note, because Bullseye ends up in the hospital at the end in a full body cast. Right, just like here in the movie. He's paralyzed, but he's in that cast. But like I said, he's
01:21:09
Speaker
There's the hint that he's getting his skills back. And yeah, so like I said, if they went for a sequel, yeah, he would have been it. He would have got his costume. Yeah. And Frank Miller also had a cameo in this, too. He played one of the guys, the guy that Frank Bullseye steals the motorcycle from. Yep, yep. I recognize him right off. I said, oh, that little chick's in this movie? OK.
01:21:38
Speaker
He warmed his way in here. And also, just like in the TV show and in the movie, both end on the same note, teasing a sequel where Bullseye's gonna come back better than ever, and both of them end up getting canceled. See, how about that?
01:21:57
Speaker
Maybe they just shouldn't do something where Bullseye ends up in a body cast. Seems to be the kiss of death for this franchise. Now, as a little side note for people who might be interested, I don't know if you and I are going to do Electra.
01:22:12
Speaker
But one thing in my research for getting ready to do this movie, I found out that when Electra, when, oh, Electra, when Jennifer Garner, when she signed on to do this, apparently one of the conditions was that Ben Affleck do a scene as Matt Murdock with her in the movie. There was, yeah, there was supposed to be something about that. I'm looking it up right now.
01:22:39
Speaker
Maybe that's in the director's cut as well? I don't know. No, there's only seven minutes of extra, there's only like, they only changed seven minutes of total footage in the Electra director's cut. So there was nothing else in there, I don't think. But there was, I think he was supposed to be appear as a cameo or something, but I don't remember what it was, if it was scheduling or what.
01:23:06
Speaker
but there was something about that, I remember reading. I just thought that that was a nice touch. I always appreciate when actors and actresses, they do little things like that to acknowledge, you know. Okay, so yeah, so apparently he did film a cameo. Right. But it was cut. Okay. Now, I don't know if that ended up in the director's cut or what, because I've actually never even seen Elektra at all, any version. No, I've never seen, yeah, I was never interested in seeing Elektra, so I wouldn't know.
01:23:38
Speaker
But I just thought that it was a nice, like, in the way that Michael Clark Duncan, he always acknowledged that he got his start in movies because of, what was it, Bruce Willis?
01:23:53
Speaker
that Bruce Willis apparently got him the job in... What was that movie? The one... Ben Affleck was in that one too with the asteroids. The mind is going to blow up the asteroid. That was Armageddon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Apparently Michael Clark Duncan got that role because of Bruce Willis.
01:24:13
Speaker
you know, and that's how he got the role in the Green Mile also because of Bruce. I mean, that's what I've heard. I don't know if that's true or not, but yeah, I've always heard that he always acknowledged Bruce Willis, you know. Well, something else too about this is that, oh, okay. So apparently his cameo was in a dream sequence. Oh, okay. So he never found out that lecture was still live. Well, I mean, they hinted that at the end because he finds the,
01:24:41
Speaker
He finds the necklace, and it's been imprinted with braille. And apparently, the braille is her name on it. Ah, I was wondering. OK, because when I saw that, I saw what he feels, and then he says, oh, braille. But he doesn't say what he says. I say, I wonder what it says. And OK, you just confirmed it, because I was saying, yeah, it's probably her name or some shit. Yeah.
01:25:05
Speaker
So that's what happened there. And then, of course, it was supposed to be for a sequel, which never ended up happening. So they did the Electra movie instead. Which is another parallel to Batman when they get a Catwoman.
Daredevil's Character Complexity
01:25:20
Speaker
He finds the cat at the end of, you know, what was it, Batman Returns? And that's like, lets him know Catwoman is still alive. And just like the first Batman, this one has a climatic fight inside of a church.
01:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, especially Daredevil is always getting in fights in churches. Oh, yeah. That's his thing. But again, that's been one of the most interesting things about Daredevil is that he's got that Catholic background. And that's really a large part of who he is. And the comics doesn't shy away from it, because you don't get a lot about
01:26:03
Speaker
what sort of religious or spiritual beliefs a lot of superheroes have. But in Daredevil's case, it's a large part of who he is. Right, which also makes it the killing thing a little bit harder to stomach because he does, like such a big core of Matt's character is that Catholic guilt. Exactly. And there's not a lot of that, that's kind of like glossed over in this movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we do have the scene where he goes to see the priest
01:26:31
Speaker
and they have that little heart to heart. But I feel like the TV show, it does a much better job at surveying his Catholic faith. Especially the scene with him and the Punisher in the second season when they're debating over the merits of killing. Right. That was one of the best scenes of the entire series. Yeah, yeah.
01:27:01
Speaker
And okay, how can I put that? I think that the best thing that works about Daredevil and why he's lasted this long as a character is that he's a man of such contradictions. He's a lawyer by day, but he's a vigilante by night. And the way he reconciles these two natures of his character along with his Catholic upbringing,
01:27:30
Speaker
and the guilty feels over his father and the way his father was killed, the burden that he carries with that. It's a lot of different elements that, you know, which lift Daredevil up out of being, because at one time he was considered to be, as you said earlier on when we started this, a Spider-Man like.
01:27:50
Speaker
Right. And over the years, he's developed into so much more than that. Frank Miller saw that there was another way for him to go and saw the possibilities of that character and took him into those dark places where Daredevil really hadn't gone before. Right, right.
01:28:11
Speaker
Yeah, and yeah, that's something that the movie does a little bit of a, it touches on that, but it doesn't quite get very deep into it. Whereas the series, like you said, does a much better job of really kind of capturing that idea. Yeah, because I mean, for me, I would, you know,
01:28:31
Speaker
I would always recommend the TV series. I would say, yeah, definitely if you want to get into Daredevil, you really want to get into Daredevil and you want to get into the character of the other, yeah, watch the TV series. But if you just want to, you know, just, how can I say, just get the cliff notes on Daredevil? Yeah, just get the cliff notes. Watch this movie.
01:28:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty good way to put it. And yeah, that is the best way to describe it, the Cliff's Notes Daredevil. Yeah. Yeah, that's what this is. If you did, you know what? I would give this movie to anybody that didn't know anything about Daredevil. Oh yeah. Yeah, and if they wanted to watch, well, should I watch the TV series? Well, you know what? Watch the movie first, and you know.
01:29:18
Speaker
In fact, you know what? I did have a bunch of friends who did not know anything about the comic books, but they really enjoyed watching the movie. Yeah. Yeah. So even my wife, now my wife is the perfect audience when it comes to the superhero movie, because she knows zilch about superheroes and like this. I remember, you know, we did watch it. And remember, she liked it better than I did when we went to see the movie. She liked it a lot better than I did.
01:29:45
Speaker
Yeah, I remember one weekend, like the weekend after this movie came out, all my friends were back from college, we were all hanging out together. And someone, I didn't even bring it up, like someone else brought up, like, did you guys see Daredevil? And everyone's talking about how much they loved it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there were some superhero movies that are made for non-comical people like us, I think.
Blade and Marvel Misconceptions
01:30:10
Speaker
Yeah. And I think that a lot of people, like for instance, I was getting arguments with people about Blade because they said, oh, well, Blade started the Marvel universe. I said, no, it didn't. Stop saying that. Please stop saying that. Because nobody knew Blade was a Marvel character.
01:30:27
Speaker
Right, right. That movie was marketed and sold as a Wessex Knight's action movie. And that's how people took it. I cannot tell you how many people called me up to say, wait a minute. Blay was a Marvel superhero? I said, yeah, he's been around for that. Because nobody knew. Right, exactly. And I think that when you have characters, and I suspect that a lot of people, especially female, they went to see this movie because it was a Ben Affleck movie.
01:30:55
Speaker
And they said, oh, Ben Affleck's in it. And they went to see it because, and the guys wanted to see Jennifer Garner. And you know, that's it. And I think that that's how a lot of people went to see the movie. Because it was Ben Affleck as a superhero. They didn't know the background of Daredevil or anything like that. They just wanted to go see Ben Affleck play his superhero. And yeah.
01:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Next Podcast Preview: Batman 1966
01:31:20
Speaker
I think that's a pretty good note to kind of end this on. So next week, we're throwing it back to you for your pick. So what are we going to be watching next? Hold on one second. I'm going to tell you, because see, I did it right this time. I made a list. I did. I sat down. I made a list. And I said, you know what? He's not going to catch me out there again. He is not holding me. I'm pulling it up right now.
01:31:47
Speaker
I didn't have a written down and so it's written, you know, on my notepad. Okay.
01:31:54
Speaker
Okay, so this is a Marvel movie, so we're gonna go and jump back to DC. I wanted to, well, we've already done animated movies, so I said, okay, let's get the animated movies, arrest for a while, but I did want to dive, you know, go back to DC since this is Marvel. So we're gonna go retro, and we're gonna do the great, great granddaddy of DC superhero movies. Batman, the 1966 Batman.
01:32:25
Speaker
Oh, okay, the Adam West version. The Adam West version, yep. So get your can of Bat Shark repellent ready. Don't get rid of that bomb because... Because next episode is actually our 25th episode, so that's a good pick for a milestone episode. Damn, 25 already?
01:32:52
Speaker
25, yeah. How long have we been doing this? We've been doing it for probably almost a year now. Really? A little under a year. A little under a year. We started close to a year because we started in, what, September of last year, I think. Oh, wow. Yeah.
01:33:10
Speaker
Well, listen, we chugging around long. It doesn't seem like 25 episodes. But yeah, OK, yeah, that's a good one. And then my pick after that, I can tell you already what my pick is going to be after that, that movie that we were talking about on the Facebook group, Dr. Mordred. OK.
01:33:30
Speaker
All right, all right, sounds good. All right, so join us next episode when we'll be talking about the 1966 Batman movie. And I'm looking forward to that. I haven't seen that in...
01:33:42
Speaker
like maybe five or six years or so, but it's been a while since I've seen it. Yeah, that's about how long it's been since I've seen it. It used to come, believe it or not, it used to come on turn of classic movies. Kind of frequently, I kind of suspect that they lost
01:34:02
Speaker
They didn't renew the rights to it because... Well, because there was a big rights thing about that series and that movie for a long time. That's why there was no DVD release of the whole series for a long time because of the rights issues. But I think now Warner Brothers, because it was CBS, I think that produced the show originally. Yeah.
01:34:26
Speaker
And then the rights were with Fox for a while, at least the syndication rights, because when I was a kid, I used to watch it on afternoons on Fox.
01:34:36
Speaker
And then eventually Warner Brothers, I think has finally gotten back all the rights to it. And that's when they were able to do like the Batman 66 comic book and that kind of stuff. And then they were able to do the animated movies too. I'm hoping it's going to show up on HBO Max because I look today, because since we subscribe to direct TV and we have HBO, we get HBO Max and don't have to pay anything extra.
01:35:06
Speaker
Okay, so I was looking at the DC stuff on there and they got a lot of DC stuff on there. Matter of fact, they got, remember I was asking you about Doom Patrol? They got Doom Patrol. Yeah, yeah. Season one is on there, so presume, you know, so, and from what I'm understanding, the plan is that when the contract is up with Netflix, because they've got like the Flash, Arrow, Supergirl. Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Right, that's all gonna move over to HBO Max.
01:35:36
Speaker
Yeah, which is why I'm thinking about subscribing really, but really just for those in general, I probably will subscribe to that.
01:35:43
Speaker
Well, I'm glad I held off, because I was going to subscribe to DC Universe. But like I said, I look today, and they got like, because I've never seen the animated version of The Dark Knight Returns. Oh, OK. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, they've got that on there. They've got Batman versus Robin, which I've never seen.
01:36:07
Speaker
That's a, that's a decent one too. Yeah, like I said, they got a whole bunch on it. So, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, diving in there and catching up with a lot of this stuff. I still gotta watch Star Girl. That's what I'm gonna watch that tonight after we finish. Yeah, now that I saw that the Flash and Supergirl are now their latest season draw on Netflix. So I gotta get into watching those now. Yeah, that's you, because that's usually what I did. I did not watch
01:36:33
Speaker
them during the season on the CW, I would wait until the season was over. And then they were, because they were usually on Netflix, like the day after the, you know, the finale, the season finale. And then I would take a weekend. I would just, you know, binge watch seasons and everything like that. So.
01:36:53
Speaker
Yeah, so I gotta get around to that once I find time. I got another announcement, too, is by the time you guys hear this, I've got a new book available, a new series.
New Cyberpunk Novel Announcement
01:37:04
Speaker
It's called Ronin Born, and it's a cyberpunk superhero novel set in a futuristic Japan. So that's coming out. So this show comes out on Monday. I think I got the novel set to come out on Tuesday, but it's up on Amazon for pre-order now. Oh, okay. Cool.
01:37:23
Speaker
And folks, if you have not read any of his work yet, then I highly recommend that you rectify that at your earliest opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. That's about it for us. Head on over to the Facebook group, Superhero Cinephiles. Join in. Join in the discussion. Derek posts up some reviews from there. And other than that, we'll see you next week when we talk about Batman 66.
01:37:50
Speaker
Okay, thank you for listening. As always, stay safe, wash your hands, stay at home if you can, or as much as you can. Good night, and God bless.
01:38:07
Speaker
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