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Spider-Man: Far From Home
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A few episodes ago, we discussed Spider-Man: No Way Home, so now we're backtracking a little bit to discuss its predecessor—Spider-Man: Far From Home. Fellow podcaster WaysteLAN is the guest to talk about why he thinks it's the best Spider-Man movie yet, whereas Perry has some critiques that hold it back. Nevertheless, there's a lot to like in this movie.
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Transcript
Spider-Man and Nick Fury's Encounter
00:00:14
Speaker
What are you gonna do about the water monster? Nothing. It's dead. And besides, that must throw guys all over it. Look, I just want to spend some time with MJ. We were talking about Paris and... think she really likes me. That's nice. It reminds me of when Benny and I first fell in love. I had just finished my fruit cobbler, right? You're a very difficult person to contact, Spider-Man.
00:00:43
Speaker
You're Nick Fury. You just shot Ned. It's just a mild tranquilizer. He'll be alright. So good to finally meet you. I saw you at the funeral, but I didn't think that was a good time to exchange numbers. No, that would have been really inappropriate. That's what I just said. Right. The important thing is, you're here. I tried to bring you here. You avoided me and now you're here. What a coincidence. Wait, was this a coincidence?
00:01:12
Speaker
I used to know everything. Then I come back five years later and now I know nothing. No intel, no team, and a high school kid is dodging my calls. Here's what I do know.
Cyclones with Faces: Fury's Explanation
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Speaker
A week ago, a village in Mexico was wiped out by a cyclone. Witnesses say that cyclone had a face.
00:01:44
Speaker
Three days later, a similar event in Morocco. A village was... Just making the rounds, see if anyone needs any emotional counseling after today's traumatic events. No, we'll be okay. We're all fine. Thank you. Great, because I'm not qualified to actually... Oh, he's passed out. I'm not really qualified to do it anyway, so good night. Where's my teacher? Sorry about that.
00:02:11
Speaker
You were saying? A village was destroyed by what may well be another world-threatening... Man, he's still awake. You're not answering any of my texts. Um, he's asleep, Betty. Oh, already? Mm-hmm, yeah. Okay. That's why it's imperative. Hey, boys, so that canal water today was filled with dangerous bacteria... Another person touches that door. You and I are going to attend another funeral. Suit up.
Superhero Cinephiles Podcast Introduction
00:02:39
Speaker
Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles Podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine, and welcoming a new guest today, a fellow podcaster as well, and that is Wasteland. How you doing today? I'm doing pretty good. Good, good. So before we get started with the movie today, I always like to talk with new guests and give them a chance to introduce themselves to the audience. So why don't you tell people a little bit about yourself and a little bit about your show? I'm...
00:03:07
Speaker
one of like I started podcasting pretty recently, like at the beginning of the year. And I think I've got about six episodes out. I work at a really demanding job. I work like six days a week. So whenever I have time, I try my absolute best to at least do one or two episodes. I recently did an hour long episode and I tried out that format.
00:03:34
Speaker
But what I've been trying to do is make sort of like a curated podcast. OK. So that when someone like goes to my Instagram and asks for any subject at all, because I try to cover everything from video games to science fiction to movies and even what we're talking about right now, like a book, movies and comics and everything.
00:04:00
Speaker
So yeah, that's mostly what I do. And what's the name of the show? It's called Wasteland Party. OK. Yeah, I have it on Spotify. I just got it on Apple Podcast, thankfully. OK. And yeah, I'm hoping to go on strong, trying to get one episode at least a month, possibly. Good, good. How's the response been so far? People been enjoying
Growth and Engagement of Wasteland Party Podcast
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Speaker
it? People been commenting on it?
00:04:28
Speaker
I had a few onlookers here and there right now. It's still at a steady crawl, you know, but I'm pretty sure once I get like a small group of people that just enjoy curated a
00:04:42
Speaker
shows, I guess, and I'm sure they'll go crazy with the comments and asking for stuff. Good. Very cool. All right. So like you've mentioned, we're going to be talking about Spider-Man today. We're going to be talking about Spider-Man Far From Home.
Spider-Man Franchise: A Retrospective
00:04:56
Speaker
Now, what is your history with Spider-Man? Spider-Man, just like a lot of other people, have been our most successful
00:05:08
Speaker
uh movie franchise superhero like a lot of people say oh it started with iron man well at least for the mcu but spider-man i know with most people born around i guess the 90s they uh
00:05:23
Speaker
they adopted spider-man because he had his own show for a long time and they would do crazy stuff in the show they would they even started doing multiverse stuff before anyone even knew what that concept was right show wise and i was always impressed with uh the fact that out of all superheroes he went the farthest for anonymity
00:05:49
Speaker
And he his powers weren't like Superman's power was like, oh, Superman can just crush everything and anybody and fly anywhere and go anywhere. Whereas Spider-Man is very limited of what he can do. And I've always liked that.
00:06:03
Speaker
Yeah, that show was kind of my introduction to the character as well. That was the 90s animated series on Fox, if I'm remembering correctly. And you're right, I didn't really realize that, but it really was, I mean, the X-Men had one or two episodes that dealt a little bit with alternate timelines, but it wasn't quite as extensive as Spider-Man did with those last two episodes, I think it was.
00:06:29
Speaker
Yeah, I really enjoyed, like when I saw that there was a multiverse where different like forms of him could have possibly existed with that weird spider that basically had hulkosis, but with fucking, oh, by the way, I'm sorry, I was gonna- You're fine, you're fine, don't worry. I was like, oh, I cuss a lot of my- That's okay, yeah. Trying not to too much, but when I'm
00:06:58
Speaker
passion about something, I'll let in a couple of cuss words. That's no problem, that's fine. Now I lost my train of thought. You were talking about the Spider-Man in the multiverse?
00:07:09
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Yes. The Spider-Man with the whole coast is like that got me like that blew my mind. Like instead of him just having like spider powers kind of not really, he went into a full on freaking tarantula. That's crazy. That's like worst case scenario for him. Right, right. The man spider thing.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, that kind of stuff just blew my mind when I was a kid and he was always a favorite. And I think he was also the first hero that got a different iteration of him with like Miguel O'Hara for Spider-Man 2099, the Spider-Man noir and Miles Morales also.
Miles Morales: Origins and Comic Collection
00:07:50
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No, he wouldn't have been the first one. I think the Flash would have been the first one because you had the Golden Age Flash. Oh yeah, with Wally West and what was the other one?
00:07:59
Speaker
So, Jay Garrick, yeah, Jerry Garrick was the Golden Age one and then the Silver Age one introduced in the late 1950s, early 1960s, somewhere in that area. That was when Barry Allen came into the play. And yeah, and that's the one that's on the TV show. That's the one in the movies. And he's the current Flash in the comics, I believe. I'm not currently up to date on the Flash stuff.
00:08:23
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And then Wally West was Kid Flash in the comics. He was Barry's sidekick. And then after Barry died in the 1980s and Christ sent into the earth, then Wally became the Flash of like the mid to late 80s going forward up until Barry came back in the early 2000s, I believe. Yeah, didn't Barry like was the first one to time travel and all that stuff, right? I don't know if he was the first Flash, I believe so. Yeah, I'm not sure if he was the first superhero to time travel though.
00:08:52
Speaker
Okay, well I'm not sure I'm like a moderate when it comes to my comic book knowledge. I try to keep up, you know, like
00:09:03
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I'd be ashamed to call myself a geek and I didn't know at least the general knowledge of comic books. Well, that was actually gonna be my next question is, are you big on the Spider-Man comic books at all as well? Or were you mostly just in the other media type of fit? Well, I was real poor. I was real poor growing up, so I couldn't buy a single thing. And I grew up in a small town.
00:09:28
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which didn't have a comic book store, much less a bookstore or anything like that. So I would enjoy the Marvel at least media because I know Marvel made more cartoons before Justice League started off on Cartoon Network. Right.
00:09:44
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But yeah, so I guess that's the biggest fault is that's why I lean more towards Marvel is because I was introduced to Marvel first before DC came into play. But as for comics right now, I am really trying my best to get every single Miles Morales comic. I think he might be my favorite one, mostly because I like his origin story a lot.
00:10:15
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like imagine being like seeing uh spider-man the legend and then you have to like fill those shoes and and then you have a villain as an uncle like it's a lot more of a complicated uh
00:10:30
Speaker
history for him. And that that camo and venom touch is just crazy. I love that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He's been a, he's been a really good character. The good thing about that is if you're, I'm not sure if you're trying to get single issues or if you're going for the graphic novel trade paperbacks, but if you're going for the graphic novel route, I think all his stuff is actively in print.
Spider-Verse Movie Excitement
00:10:52
Speaker
So you shouldn't have much trouble finding it all.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying my best. Well, not recently. Before I knew the Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse was going to come out, because I knew it was going to be good. I don't know something about, I think, the trailer made me go, oh, this is going to be a good movie. So I should get the, it's the same thing that happened with Deadpool. I was like, oh, Deadpool is going to be a good movie. Maybe I should buy his first appearance.
00:11:21
Speaker
I didn't get to do that with Deadpool, which regrettably had jumped from about 300 before the movie and I was like 600. Oh yeah. Yeah. CGC rating. Um, but yeah, I was able to get the ultimate fallout first appearance of miles Morales. Oh, okay. Uh, yeah, both covers. So I just got to get him a praise, have him nicely hung up. So I'm real proud of those.
00:11:46
Speaker
So you're going you're going for the collector route, the single issue type stuff then, right? If I can, because that's always such a hard uphill battle. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember those days I got out of that because after having to move several times, it was just too much to to keep moving the collection with me. So yeah. So I'm all digital myself now, which is much more convenient and much easier because I live in rural Japan. So there's no comic book shops out here. Oh, flip.
00:12:15
Speaker
But anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, so
00:12:21
Speaker
the, you're talking about the Spider-Man
2002 Spider-Man Movie's Impact
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movie. And I think one of the interesting things about the original Spider-Man movie that came out in 2002, if I'm remembering correctly, is that was really kind of the first superhero movie, big budget superhero movie, probably since Superman, the movie that really had the character really kind of embraced the idea of being a superhero, really embraced all the superhero tropes because you had other ones like,
00:12:51
Speaker
Sorry, he was a very humanized hero. Right, right. And also he was, they didn't shy away from the superhero elements, because if you look back at some of the other movies that were coming out before that, like The X-Men, you know, they got rid of the, they didn't go into the costume route, they just went with the leather, they played it up more as being like a strike team or
00:13:14
Speaker
as opposed to being a superhero thing. You had the Batman stuff, but even those were very reluctant to go the full comic book route. But then even in Batman and Robin, they were still kind of like holding back. They were going with the black rubber suits instead of the more colorful costumes. Spider-Man, when that came out, I remember everybody wondering, well, how would they do the costume? Would they try to do like the black leather type of thing that was popular at the time?
00:13:42
Speaker
I remember everybody was really kind of surprised when they released those first issues and it was very much accurate to the comics, obviously with some live action touches like the raised webbing and all that kind of stuff. But other than that, it was very- It did saturate the colors a bit. A little bit, yeah, yeah. So a little bit, but in general, it was very, very true to the comics design, which was no movie had really done that, no big budget movie had really done that since Superman, the movie. Yeah.
00:14:11
Speaker
That's true.
Exploring 'Spider-Man: Far From Home'
00:14:13
Speaker
And then of course, we had those three movies and then we had the two Andrew Garfield films and then the Tom Holland films. And we're talking about the second one today, Spider-Man Far From Home, which was the first MCU movie that came out after Endgame. So that was the first one to kind of deal with all the fallout of Endgame. And that came out in summer 2019, I believe it was.
00:14:41
Speaker
What was your initial opinion of this film when you saw it? When I saw the trailer, when I saw it, period. The film itself? It's just so crazy. I have so many opinions about the whole movie entirely. I mean, when I first initially started seeing it,
00:15:04
Speaker
I thought, okay, I guess we're going to see what happened once everyone came back from the Thanos Bang or Thanos Snap. Sorry about that. From my initial viewing of it, the first thought that came to mind was, I don't think Homecoming was even necessary with this movie.
00:15:28
Speaker
OK. Yeah, because when I saw Homecoming and I saw the characters, I was like, oh, I think I know what happened. They're originally trying to create Miles Morales, because that's Miles Morales' world. That's his best friend. The MJ, that's a makeshift MJ, is originally, look at my notes real quick.
00:15:54
Speaker
Initially, where is it? What is it? Okay, there it is. Barbara Rodriguez. Okay. She was like racially ambiguous, the MJ and the MCU. But I can bet money that was going to be Barbara Rodriguez. And once they had gotten someone cast it as miles are going to go with miles. But I'm guessing that the deals they're trying to make with Fox,
00:16:24
Speaker
You mean Marvel. So, so, no, no, no. So, um, the way it works. Yeah, a lot of people make that mistake. Yeah, Sony owns the rights to the Spider Man stuff, Marvel, and then they partnered with Marvel on this.
00:16:42
Speaker
I'm not sure if it was originally Sony's plan to go with Miles or not or because I know that Marvel did do their own script because part of the deal was that Marvel had full creative control over this movie. The whole idea was Marvel and Sony came to this agreement. So for anyone who's
00:16:59
Speaker
doesn't know what I'm talking about. Marvel doesn't own the rights to Spider-Man in the movies. They own the rights to the TV show, but the movie rights are still owned by Sony. And in fact, those are the only rights that Marvel has not yet fully gotten back. They've gotten the rights back to everything else with the Fox purchase, but Sony still holds the
00:17:20
Speaker
the Spider-Man rights and which is why but Sony and Marvel have a much better working relationship than Marvel and Fox did so when they were actually doing the Amazing Spider-Man movie when they were in putting those together they were actually planning to have some synergy between that and Avengers they were going to have Avengers or Stark Tower appear in
00:17:43
Speaker
the background of Amazing Spider-Man, and they're going to have the OzCorp tower appear in the background of the Avengers, but scheduling conflicts got in the way. They weren't able to get their rendering schedules on the same schedule, so they weren't able to integrate them together. And then after that, they just kind of never even bothered.
00:18:04
Speaker
when after Amazing Spider-Man 2 failed Sony's plans to do this kind of integrated Spider-Man cinematic universe kind of died with it and they were trying to figure out what to do next and that was around the time when Marvel and them came to a deal where the deal was
00:18:25
Speaker
Marvel could use Spider-Man in the MCU projects, and they would put up part of the financing for solo Spider-Man movies and partner with Sony. And then the same Spider-Man actor would appear in both of them, which would allow Sony to use the MCU clout to kind of advertise their movies.
00:18:47
Speaker
And they would co-finance them, but Marvel would have full creative control over the Spider-Man solo movies. And then Sony still had free reign to do what they wanted with all the other stuff. So the Venom movies, the Morbius, all that kind of stuff, that's fully under Sony's control. Marvel has no direct involvement with those. So that was kind of the deal that they struck.
00:19:09
Speaker
So I'm not sure if it was so much that they were trying to do Miles and then changed it to Peter or if it was just trying to do kind of a synthesis of the two and just pull in aspects. I think just like plans that changed. I honestly think before they struck a sort of cooperative deal that the next movie was really gonna be a standalone Miles Morales movie. And then when that good synergy between
00:19:38
Speaker
uh sony and marvel worked out they went hey you know what how about we just make a whole new spiderman a whole new peter parker spiderman and then we'll roll with the punches later on so they just plucked out mouse placed peter parker in there and went with the three the trilogy that we have right now yeah they did they did put some interesting aspects i did think it was interesting how they how they did they redid um
00:20:06
Speaker
Ned and they gave him kind of the gank role and all that. I didn't realize, I couldn't remember Barbara from the comics, so I didn't realize that she was similar to MJ. I just figured they were just doing a very different take on MJ. Yeah, Barbara's the only, I guess, normal love interest that Miles Morales has in all the comics.
Miles Morales's Love Interests
00:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, because I remember that was my best theory.
00:20:28
Speaker
Right, maybe. Yeah, I remember the only ones, it's been a while since I've read those original comics. Mostly I remember there was the ultimate version of Kate Bishop and there was kind of a thing with the Gwen Stacy ghost spider as well.
00:20:48
Speaker
But I don't really remember all that much about Barbara. I haven't read those original Bendis Ultimate comics in years, so I have to probably go back and reread those at some point.
00:21:02
Speaker
I thought this was, you know, one of the things I really think was cool about what the MCU has done with the Spider-Man movies is they're not so much Spider-Man solo films as they are kind of like the old Spider-Man team of comic books where they're bringing in a different superhero to kind of, you know, work with Spider-Man a little bit. So in Homecoming, we had Iron Man to a certain extent. In this one, we had Nick Fury and
00:21:31
Speaker
Again, to a certain extent, and then in No Way Home, there was not only Dr. Strange, but there was also the previous film Spider-Man as well.
00:21:44
Speaker
And I know some people have not liked that aspect of it, but I think it's been really kind of refreshing after, because we had five solo Spider-Man movies before this. So I've liked seeing, and Spider-Man's always been one of those characters in the comics who's very connected to the Marvel universe, like so many of the,
00:22:05
Speaker
Marvel characters got their start either in Marvel team up or in Spider-Man comic books. So I think it was a really, it was a really cool thing to do to have him be kind of like this central character in the MCU that touches all aspects. Yeah, he's basically the MCU fans. Right, yeah, yeah.
00:22:27
Speaker
What were some of the, so what do you think rewatching this film for this? Anything that jumped out of you that didn't before or anything that really kind of, you really wanted to focus on?
00:22:39
Speaker
I think the biggest thing was
Balancing Elements in 'Far From Home'
00:22:41
Speaker
mostly that with how perfectly done this movie is, because mind you, out of the new trilogy of Spider-Man, this one's my favorite. Because it has a little bit of everything and it's all perfectly balanced. There's actual consequences, which Marvel is just notorious for not doing. There's a good and cute, and I'm not someone that cares about
00:23:08
Speaker
love interest or love triangles but they did a love triangle and a romantic story all rolled together with an action movie like that's crazy especially when it's an MCU movie like they usually just generate romances out of nowhere like with Bruce Banner and Black Widow and then just toss it later on like the romance between MJ and Peter Parker and this one is just top notch in my opinion
00:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think a big part of that is also just the chemistry between Tom Holland and Zendaya, which is it's very similar to the kind of dynamic we saw with Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone. They have that kind of chemistry where, you know, you see the two of them together on screen and you can't picture them not getting together. They just work so well on screen together.
00:24:00
Speaker
Yeah, they love each other. Yeah, which is why in both cases, they ended up getting together in real life. So one of the things I you know, I've my opinion on this has cooled a little bit. It used to be
00:24:15
Speaker
When I first saw it, I did enjoy it more than Homecoming on first viewing, and also with No Way Home. First time I saw that, I enjoyed that more than the other two. But now, in retrospect, because I just recorded an episode on No Way Home fairly recently, and now this one
00:24:33
Speaker
I mean, don't get me wrong, I like all three of them. I think they're all great, but I think Homecoming has risen to still be my favorite of the three though. I was noticing as I'm watching it last night, there are some plot elements that don't quite link up. Like the whole Quentin Beck and his crew, their whole plan, it seems to hinge on a lot of coincidence and a lot of happenstance, right? And it's this idea that,
00:25:03
Speaker
I mean, and also I feel like Tony Stark's whole idea of leaving the glasses and Edith's system to Peter, it feels reckless. Even for Tony, it feels really reckless to leave all that power to a 16 year old kid. That was something that on repeat viewings, it hasn't said as well with me. And I thought too, the whole, Mysterio's whole plan is I'm going to go to Nick Fury. I'm going to convince him that I'm from this hero from another world here to avert danger.
00:25:33
Speaker
avert this catastrophe and then he's going to bring in Spider-Man and he's going to give Spider-Man the E to the system and then I'm going to be able to trick Spider-Man into giving me the E to the system. It's just a lot of, it's a very, it's a plan that it hinges on way too much on making a lot of predictions that don't seem very obvious. So I think there were some issues with that, that plotting aspect of it for me.
00:26:01
Speaker
um for for me i didn't think that entirely um it was very simple plan like become a sort of false hero get inside uh nick fury circle and nick fury circle spider-man's there and he knew that all you had to do was just make these catastrophes be close to where spider-man is and they would eventually need him and
00:26:27
Speaker
like being a cool older brother isn't that hard of a thing to do especially when a kid is a superhero. When a kid's a superhero he feels like he's overwhelmed like there's too much for him and when you have like a cool older brother just come up to you and be like hey it's not so bad I got you like that alone he knew that would work
00:26:48
Speaker
Like just saying I got you to someone that feels as overwhelmed as this Peter Parker Spider-Man made the plan just perfect. Like that's that scene, that notorious scene of when the holograms all go away and it was all just a trick which is beautiful.
00:27:06
Speaker
It's a great scene. And both Jake Gyllenhaal and Tom Holland, they totally, they'd sell it every time, which is why it didn't hit me at the first time. And even after I've seen this movie, I think like two or three times since before, but last night I'm watching it with a much more critical eye. And I get what you're saying, but it just feels like I don't know what would make
00:27:32
Speaker
Beck think that if I get in a Nick Fury circle, he'll automatically go to Spider-Man. It depends, you have to have this situation where there's no other heroes. And I also don't really see how he knows that Spider-Man is part of that inner circle or how he knows that. Cause all of this hinges on the fact that there's no other hero that Nick Fury can turn to. And I think that is very, it's,
00:27:58
Speaker
It happens because the story needs it to happen, is what I'm saying. It doesn't happen in an organic way, I feel. Normally, I would agree with you because a lot of the MCU movies do that. But what I liked about this one is that they sort of set it up in a way where they've been just lying in wait, waiting for the perfect time. And so where most people would be like, oh, this is a coincidence, you're making it happen.
00:28:27
Speaker
This could have been 20 years from now. They would have him and his team would have been waiting silently for a time where they can get him and Spider-Man together because during the revelation little scene, it shows a whole bunch of Stark former employees that were just knee deep in Stark's
00:28:54
Speaker
tech as well as his business so I mean that easy access to not only know exactly who Spider-Man is but to know how close he was to him how I guess uh he sees him kind of like a son and this one the relationship between Iron Man Spider-Man and this and MCU is a little like forced uh fatherly bonding um I don't think that was done that well but the plot says that
00:29:23
Speaker
uh iron man gives the the not the throne what's the what i'm looking for the crown the crown i guess to to peter to be a new head of stark industries but um as we can see uh
00:29:45
Speaker
that's what they were waiting for. They saw it coming the whole time. They were just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting from all the movies since, who knows when, even probably Iron Man 1, they've just been lying in wait, waiting to find a way to get Stark's company, whichever way possible.
00:30:05
Speaker
Yeah, I just feel that it was, I get what you're saying, I just feel the movie didn't do a very good enough job of explaining that for my taste. I would have liked a little bit more to really take it out of that coincidence area and really kind of make it feel that it was
00:30:22
Speaker
A much more organic thing, although I and again I did love that scene when he gives when they they reveal them and we did get the actor back from who's had this bit part in the first Iron Man movie. And they brought him back for that I did like that touchstone I did like that they brought it back to the.
00:30:38
Speaker
They've worked in Mysterio's origin into the barf system that Tony uses in Civil War. All of that was, you know, really great uses of MCU continuity. It's just that the way it came together in the end, it felt a little bit forced for my taste as all.
Twist of 'Nick Fury' as Talos
00:30:56
Speaker
Okay. I mean, everyone's inclined to their- Yeah. Anyway, another thing too, I feel like
00:31:06
Speaker
The use of Nick Fury in this was an interesting choice. The fact that it's not actually Nick Fury, it's actually Talos the entire time, which- Oh my God, like, wow, like, oh, you know, you finished your bit, cause I'm gonna go crazy with that one. Okay, yeah. Cause the entire time I'm watching the movie, I'm like, Nick Fury really seems to be kind of, you know, not up on his game in this. So I thought that was, and then when they reveal it's Talos actually at the end, I thought that was a pretty good little misdirection.
00:31:35
Speaker
Although it did make me kind of wistful that we didn't get to see the actual Nick Fury interact with Spider-Man. We only got to see the shape shifter pretending to be Nick Fury. Yeah. But you go ahead. What were you going to say about that?
00:31:48
Speaker
No, just the whole idea of the fact that he was a scroll at a certain point, it just raises so many questions. Like, how many times does he do this? Does he do this often? How long has he been doing this? Was he like this in this movie, in that movie, in this movie? So I guess at any time when we feel like Nick Fury was slightly dumb, it can just be explained with his doppelganger. I love that so much.
00:32:16
Speaker
And that's something that comes from the comic books. Nick Fury has done that a lot in the comic books when he's been presumed dead, he's been acting weird. And in the comics, it was it was LMDs in that case, life model decoys, so robots that are designed to look exactly like him. And they've used those a lot in the comic books. So that's also kind of a nice little callback to a recurring trope in the books as well.
00:32:39
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So like there, there have been several times when Fury has been has been presumed dead or something like that. And it turns out it was just a life model decoy that died. It wasn't the real Nick Fury or other times when he's been acting kind of weird. And later on, they just kind of wrote that off. Like, Oh, that was just
Humor and Characters in 'Far From Home'
00:32:57
Speaker
that was just an LMD. So a lot of times when you've seen Nick Fury appear in the comic books, you don't know if it's actually Nick Fury or if you're dealing with with a robot. Yeah.
00:33:07
Speaker
One thing I really like about this movie is the way it just opens up to like a kid's, well, the school news bulletin. Like, I don't think I've ever seen a single movie do that. Yeah. And it was, I was watching that and I thought it was kind of funny because it's very much, it's so student film, like right down to using comics fans, comics sans font, or using the, the image from, from a Google search where it still has the Getty watermark on it. I thought that was, those were nice little touches.
00:33:35
Speaker
Yeah, I like that a lot. That's a fun way of identifying with the viewer and bringing it down back to Earth because all these movies are otherworldly.
00:33:51
Speaker
Yeah, and I thought the way they use Flash Thompson in these movies, especially in this movie, is kind of interesting, because he's got that scene at the end when they come back. Because I did think it was interesting that Flash isn't really the antagonist character, the civilian antagonist for Peter in this. It's more the Brad character.
00:34:12
Speaker
No, excuse me. It's more the Brad character who's like that civilian antagonist for Peter. Whereas usually in the comics that would have been Flash would have been a better fit for that role. But I did think, I noticed something here this time when he comes home and it's the, there's this, you know, this driver who's waiting for him. And, you know, Flash says, you know, mother couldn't make it. And I realized, you know, they kind of made the Flash in this movie. He's kind of almost like a cross between Flash and Harry Osborne in a way. Yeah.
00:34:43
Speaker
But if I'm correct, I think Flesh Thompson was one of the iterations of Venom, and I think he's also another supervillain or superhero. I can't remember, but I remember they used Flesh Thompson for a scientific arc. Yeah, not a villain, but he did become a host for the Venom symbiote, and that was in the
00:35:07
Speaker
I want to say mid early 2000s when they gave him the Venom symbiote and he was using it in his role working for the government actually because he was a soldier. And it was a really good run. Rick Remender wrote most of that series. And then eventually the symbiote went back to Eddie Brock.
00:35:31
Speaker
Flash ended up getting bonded with the anti-venom symbiote, which was still using it as kind of like a hero role. So he was using villain touches, but he wasn't actually a villain. He was more re-booking them as... There you go. That's probably where they're going with that. He's probably going to be the anti-venom once they eventually... I mean, they already teased that at the end of Norway Home. Oh, with the little bit of... Yeah, yeah.
00:35:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure. It'll be interesting to see because that's, I don't really picture that actor really fitting that version of Venom, but we'll see what they do with it. I mean, so far, I mean, I also wouldn't have pictured Zendaya as Mary Jane and they really made that work, even though she's technically not Mary Jane, she's Michelle Jones. That's another story. Yeah, but I also like at the beginning where
00:36:22
Speaker
Like because the thing about, and this is something Stanley also said about Spider-Man. When he made Spider-Man, he wanted, he made him completely anonymous covering every part of his skin because he wanted kids to feel like that's them. Right. Right.
00:36:40
Speaker
And even in the comics, he has all the troubles of a regular kid, etc, etc. And I think this movie really did it the best out of the whole trilogy. It brought it back to his regular trials and tribulation of being a teenager.
00:36:59
Speaker
having this one girl that you would do anything to be with and just planning a whole trip to maybe give her a gift. And at the end, I give to her and it's broken, but you still end up together. I guess a really nice human story for Peter Parker, because that's one thing I noticed reading the Spider-Man comics, that they would lean more into Peter Parker's life
Capturing Comic Book Storytelling in Films
00:37:30
Speaker
than Spider-Man's life. Yeah, yeah, the comics are very much basically, which is why I think the, one of the biggest
00:37:39
Speaker
not failings, but I guess drawbacks of the movies is that you don't have the room to really kind of explore the relationship side, the human side that you would, because if you go back and you look at the Spider-Man comic books, they're essentially a soap opera with occasional superheroics. And the best way to really do that with Spider-Man, I've always believed, is to do it in a TV series, because you can do the episodic stories, you can build on the relationships, you can build up the supporting cast,
00:38:08
Speaker
It's a lot harder to do that in a series of movies. You can get some of it, but it's it's not quite the same aspect of it. Yeah, I honestly feel that if I had in my way. All comic book heroes would have a like, I don't know if you've seen Community. Yeah, yeah. Seasons in a movie. Mm hmm. That's that's the rule of thumb for me. Like if you want to develop a character or a bunch of characters and have them be these
00:38:39
Speaker
characters that people are reattached to and then get build up what they are in the series and then have the movie be the big triumphant boom multi-million dollar hit.
00:38:53
Speaker
And then finish it up. But who knows how long these MC movies are going to last. Right. I mean, there's I think there are some heroes that the movie format works better for when you've got the big, you know, kind of like the big world ending threat, like the Avengers type stuff or or or Superman or those Superman and Lois is doing better as a TV show than they've ever done in the movie. So what do I know with that?
00:39:14
Speaker
But, you know, you've got the Avengers, which that works much better as a movie-type franchise. You've got Captain America, I think, as well. Iron Man, they work really good in the movie settings, Thor, as well. But when you get down to the more street-level heroes or the more ensemble cast, when you're thinking about, like, the X-Men works much better as an episodic series, Spider-Man, Daredevil, all those kinds of things, they work so much better in more short-format, episodic, serialized storytelling, I think.
00:39:45
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. One thing I also really liked about this Spider-Man is they really developed that relationship between not MJ, but well, yes, MJ, because the whole plot of most of the story is this trip. And he's just so excited to possibly have MJ be his girlfriend. And I thought that's just that really brought him down to the teenage level that
00:40:14
Speaker
they've been trying to convey, which they couldn't really, like homecoming was kind of like a one and done with a. Liz. Was that the girl that he liked? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and they just toss her aside at the end. Like they didn't even use her to her full development or anything. They just go like, Oh, you know, that's just a chick he liked once, you know, and he got to meet the vulture.
00:40:43
Speaker
And, and that could have been done in a TV show or anything. I mean, it didn't really have any big. Like there was no big, like there was no nothing that happened afterwards that made a difference. Like if you were to just see like far from home and you never saw homecoming, you didn't, you didn't miss anything on homecoming.
00:41:10
Speaker
I mean, his interest for MJ didn't even start until they hinted it at the end of Homecoming. I don't know if I go that far, because I think there's a definite progression of his character in Far From Home that you don't quite get to without the foundation laid in Homecoming in terms of his journey as a hero. Because in Homecoming, the whole idea was he's
00:41:39
Speaker
Basically, you know, he's learning how to crawl. He's kind of learning the ropes and he tries to go too fast and it blows up in his face. And it's that failure in homecoming, I think really informs a lot of the decisions he makes in Far From Home where he, you know, now he's overly cautious now. He's too worried about doing the wrong thing. So he gives it over to the first guy he meets who he thinks is, who seems more the part of a hero.
00:42:07
Speaker
So it's more about him learning how, the first movie was learning about his limitations. This movie was learning about what it takes to be a hero, what a hero actually is. And I think if you don't have that first step, that foundation in Homecoming, the growth in here doesn't work as well. Hmm. I mean, that is good. That's a good point right there.
00:42:30
Speaker
But one of the things I did love, especially, I think maybe my favorite thing about this movie is Jake Gyllenhaal's performance. The way he plays Mysterio, like you said earlier on, the whole big brother aspect, the way he ingratiates himself to Peter, it works so well. He really does a great job of selling that, like right from the start when
00:42:53
Speaker
you know, Peter's just kind of rattling off and going into science geek mode when he meets everyone else. And everyone else is kind of like, you know, giving him the side eye, but then Beck comes up to me, he's like, hey, never apologize for being the smartest guy in the room. And he's, you know, he's like kind of taking it. He's taking him under his wing. Right. Yeah. I thought Jake Gyllenhaal did such
Gyllenhaal's Mysterio Performance
00:43:11
Speaker
a good job. And it's especially, it's funny because at one point Jake Gyllenhaal was actually in the running for Spider-Man. Back when they were filming,
00:43:22
Speaker
Spider-Man 2, there was some worry. I'm not, this was a rumor. I'm not sure if it was actually under serious consideration or if it was just a rumor, but Toby had injured himself filming Seabiscuit and with Spider-Man 2 filming right after, there was concern that his injuries wouldn't heal in time to be able to do Spider-Man 2. So, and again, I'm not sure if this is rumor. I'm not sure if this was actually true, but what I remember at the time is there was talk about
00:43:49
Speaker
Jake Gyllenhaal possibly replacing Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man 2. I mean, I love Jake Gyllenhaal. I think he would have done a great job, but I'm all for continuity. Yeah, yeah. He would have definitely made an interesting Spider-Man, I think, especially back in those days. So it is cool that they kind of got him to play another character in the Spider-Man mythos instead.
00:44:12
Speaker
And I'm not sure if you're very familiar with Mysterio in the comic books, but he was never really that impressive to me as a villain. I mean, he's OK, but I think there are there are definitely other villains that I'm more fond of. Yeah, I think his original origin was that he was a failed actor slash a special effects. Yeah, he was a failed special effects artist.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah and like he was but ugly so he couldn't make it as an actor and so he decided to he wanted to be he wanted to be popular so he decided to be kind of like the new Spider-Man to the point where he drove Peter Parker as Spider-Man a little bit nuts and made him think that he had a personality or something and
00:45:06
Speaker
Like I forgot how I went exactly, but he basically made Spider-Man look like a punk and then he was going to rise as Mysterio as a better hero and take his place, but then became a villain and et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. That's, that's not a very, uh, cool sort of origin, like the green goblin or like the lizard and all those, which are.
00:45:29
Speaker
like bio-engineered psychopaths. Right. This is just a regular dude, you know, just doing special effects. I think he used hypnosis and suggestion or something like that to mess with Spider-Man. Those are, yeah, I think those are some, I don't remember the, I don't recall the specific story you're talking about, but it's been a long time since I've read some of those. That's his first
00:45:52
Speaker
Yeah, his first origin origin was okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't read that in a long time. So I don't recall that one. But yeah, he has used like hypnotic gases and stuff like that in the past and hallucinogens. But I thought one of my favorite scene in this movie definitely bar none is that sequence when Mysterio's using all the illusions on him in Berlin. That's
00:46:16
Speaker
that was just brilliantly done and and the way how it it works so well because it like that when he jumps after mj and he thinks he's jumping down this long tower and he just falls right on the ground right away they're they're one of the one of the downfalls when you're doing that kind of illusion in movies and in comic books anywhere really in storytelling is
00:46:37
Speaker
They make the illusion seem like it's altering reality itself when it's not. This did a really good job of showing that he's still in these real areas. It's just he can't see what's going on around him. Yeah, the holograms are just so good that and so well planned out that they're able to make him fall off a building, get run over by a train. I love that. That last part where you got run over by a train,
00:47:04
Speaker
and then Mysterio was just like laughing it off like he won like that that was that was beautiful that's excellent villain work yeah that's that's taking no offense to anyone that's a Mysterio fan out there but that's taking a almost trash super villain and making them like elevating it like with Heath Ledger's Joker you know and Joker just from the comics is beautiful and crazy and awesome and fun but
00:47:32
Speaker
he literally just elevates him into an even more twisted psychotic villain that it's hard to look at the old comic book Joker the same. You can't look back at the origin Mysterio and be like, this isn't the same guy. I want the Jake Gyllenhaal Mysterio, the clever guy that knows exactly what you're gonna do at all times. And at the end, still gets the upper hand.
00:48:01
Speaker
I love that.
Peter Parker's Identity Reveal
00:48:02
Speaker
Yeah, that ending was, it's still, you know, such a great ending when, you know, his last stab at Peter Parker is that is, you know, he reveals his identity of the world. And also we get, this is the first time we got J.K. Simmons back as J. Jonah Jameson in more of an Alex Jones type of character, which I thought was such a neat little twist.
00:48:26
Speaker
when they had announced, when they had said that in, I remember sitting in the theater when that scene happened. And, because I think if I recall correctly, you actually hear his voice like a split second before you see his face. And as soon as I heard the voice, I'm like, holy shit, they're doing it. And then you see him.
00:48:44
Speaker
The only thing, and I said this when we talked about No Way Home, the only thing I miss about it is I missed the flat top. I wish they'd put that that old hair piece on him from the from the Raymond movies. Yeah, because that's that's a signature crew cut look. Yeah, yeah, I did miss that. But other than that, I mean, you know, JK Simmons, that's like
00:49:03
Speaker
perfect casting for, I don't know. It's tough to think of it. No one else can do it. They even use them in the Spider-Man games. That's his voice.
00:49:15
Speaker
There have been other actors who have been playing a lot of these different characters like Christopher Reeve is the gold standard but Tyler Oakland's a really good follow up, you know, Tom Holland Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire they've all got their strengths as Spider Man.
Comparing Spider-Man Actors
00:49:29
Speaker
But it's hard to think of any other actor who could do Jameson as well as JK Simmons does. Yeah, I've been told that.
00:49:38
Speaker
Tobey Maguire is the best Peter Parker. Andrew Garfield is the best Spider-Man. And why did I blank on his name? Tom Holland. Tom Holland. Yeah, Tom Holland is the best of both. He mixes both perfectly. Yeah, that's always been my thing, too, is Tobey Maguire is so good at playing a geek. He fits that mold perfectly.
00:50:06
Speaker
That scene when he's in Spider-Man 2, when he meets Octavius for the first time and he's geeking out over the fusion reactor, like that is Toby really sells the idea that he's a science geek. You really believe that he's really into this stuff. Andrew Garfield is, but when it came to Spider-Man, Toby was not really good. And part of that I think is also just the Sam Raimi's sense of humor is he's got a very campy sense of humor. He doesn't really quite have that kind of sarcastic
00:50:34
Speaker
wit and Toby doesn't really have that in it to deliver those lines as they need to be delivered. So his jokes as Spider-Man always fell kind of flat with me. Andrew was awesome as Spider-Man. He had the wit, he had the timing, he had that all done down perfectly. He had the pizzazz. Yeah, yeah. But he's almost too charming as the thing. So when he's playing Peter Parker, it's hard to buy him as this, you know,
00:50:59
Speaker
this outcast nerdy character. It feels more that he's an outcast by choice as opposed to being forced into being an outcast. I agree. Whereas Tom, he gets both those aspects. He's able to really lean into the geeky side and you know, I mean you said that you didn't quite buy the
00:51:16
Speaker
the Tony Peter relationship. For me, I thought it made total sense. And I thought Tom really did a good job of selling that. Because, you know, when you think about, especially in the timeline of the MCU, he would have been a little kid when Iron Man first appeared. So it totally makes sense that he grows up idolizing this tech, this science superhero guy. And
00:51:38
Speaker
And then when he actually meets him, they develop this bond. I thought that worked really well in the context of the MCU. And then when you see him as Spider-Man, like he's funny, he's awkward, he's got that, you can tell he's using humor as a way to cover up the fact that he's scared shitless all the time. And that's one of the things that Spider-Man does in the comic books. Whereas Andrew felt more naturally funny. It just felt like an outlet for him. For Tom, it really feels like he's using humor to cover up the fact that he's scared out of his mind.
00:52:08
Speaker
Yeah. And that, that in spirit is the perfect Spider-Man. Right. Right. I mean, I, I always think about that, that scene in civil war when he appears and he's just, he's so awkward, even when he's Spider-Man, like he's, you know, he gets the, he webs the shield up and then, and he's like, he's like, Hey captain, you know, big fan, I'm Spider-Man. And just, he's, he's so, he feels so out of place.
00:52:33
Speaker
Yeah like another thing about this movie that I really like is usually with like okay with far with no way home you get a lot of Peter Parker and then I also think in Homecoming you get a little bit more Spider-Man but it's not necessarily doing much.
Spider-Man's Alternate Costumes
00:52:53
Speaker
I think in this one it had the perfect marriage of both. Also I think every single
00:53:03
Speaker
besides Homecoming. Oh no, even Homecoming, every single one of those movies had an alternate Spider-Man costume. Yeah, in fact, No Way Home had a bunch of different ones than when you think about it in retrospect. Yeah, and I really like that. What they call them? Something monkey? Oh, the Night Monkey. Night Monkey, yes. I really like that suit.
00:53:26
Speaker
Yeah, the Night Monkey suit was really cool. And I thought it was, I'm glad that they'd worked that in where Peter needs, Peter reminds him like, hey look, I'm Peter Parker and I'm on a field trip with my school. In the last movie, I was on a field trip with my school and Spider-Man showed up. If I'm in a field trip with my school and Spider-Man shows up again, it's gonna look suspicious. So I thought that was a really good thing for the movie to address.
00:53:55
Speaker
Yeah I like that a lot and even when the way Mysterio even got his name because most of the times if you noticed in the MCU movies they never show the villain's comic book name with a couple of exemptions but
00:54:15
Speaker
this one actually did. And not only did it address his name that people would know him by, but the person that is that villain, which is Mysterio and Italian Mysterio means mystery. Like I thought that was just, wow, like wham bam. Like that's the best way to give someone their names. Like he first appeared in Italy and they called the man of mystery,
00:54:43
Speaker
Mysterio, and then even Peter Parker brings it up to him. It's like, oh, you're Mysterio. It's like, oh, I like it. I'm gonna stay as Mysterio. I was like, that's how you do it. Even though he had a tiny little arc and he died at the end, that's the way you name a villain right there in a movie at least. Yeah, that worked really well. I thought that was a nice little touch. I also wanna talk a little bit about some of the, like one of the things I love about these movies is Martin Starr as the teacher, just cause I'm not sure if you've ever,
00:55:11
Speaker
if you know him from his earlier work, like when he was on Freaks and Geeks or anything like that. But it's so funny to see him in this movie, because I primarily associate him with Freaks and Geeks where he played like this geeky high school student. And now he's, I see him as the teacher in these movies. So it's really kind of a funny little comparison. Yeah.
00:55:36
Speaker
They did a real good job with the teachers, both of them, and their comment. I knew they probably let them ad lib a lot with their lines. Oh, yeah. But yeah, it was really, really funny. It added more to the grounded feeling you got when it would switch from Spider-Man scenes, Peter Parker scenes. It brought you right back to Earth with no jet lag. This is just nicely done all around.
00:56:03
Speaker
Right.
Appreciation of Supporting Characters
00:56:04
Speaker
I also like Happy Hogan. John Favreau is happy. I thought he's a nice little addition to Spider-Man's world in these movies because, you know, he was very much in the background in the Iron Man movies. Part of that is because Favreau directed the first two and he didn't, you know, he's just going to be a background character, he's not going to have a big role in the films. And then to see him get a bigger part, because I think people forget that Favreau is a really good comedic actor, too.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah, he is. I will always respect Favreau, especially with what he's been doing with the Mandalorian. And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Star Wars is one of the, at least Hollywood-wise, it's the most disrespected franchise out there. It deserves more respect, and they don't get the right people to do it. But Jon Favreau, he respected the medium,
00:57:02
Speaker
He knew what he was working with. He knew the importance of what he was working with. And he did perfection and everyone loves it. Like no complaints all around. And yeah, I'll always respect the guy for that because that's how you do it. And we need more directors like him. OK, then anything else you wanted to mention about Far From Home? I really like
00:57:30
Speaker
Like I said, the biggest thing that made me love this movie were the permanent consequences. One, with Aunt May dying, and two, with him being revealed at the end. Aunt May dying, that came in the next one.
00:57:48
Speaker
Oh, sorry. Oh, my God. I'm confused. It's because I saw one right after the other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I got I got confused. But still, permanent consequences at the end after. And plus, I really like that long action scene where he was fighting the drones. I could have sworn I was watching the animated series with all the banter. He was having banter with drones. I mean, like like Tom Holland, like clap, clap on that.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah, the last scene, I think it's, this is a big problem I have with a lot of the Marvel movies is sometimes the middle fight scene is done, is so well executed that the climactic fight scene doesn't quite live up to it, at least in my mind. And I kind of felt that way with this too. Like the drone scene is great, but when you compare it to the earlier scene with Mysterio and the illusions, that was so brilliantly done and I loved it.
00:58:42
Speaker
Like that one is just, it's so perfect that I don't think anything they did in the climactic scene could have surpassed it.
00:58:49
Speaker
What like that's so that's I mean all those drones he was just destroying one after another running out of webbing halfway through having to go through that hallway of just death like that that was great that was so crazy I'm not saying no I'm not saying it was bad I'm just saying like I like the the earlier fight scene with Mysterio a lot more and it's uh you like that magic stuff
00:59:13
Speaker
Yeah, I do. But I thought it was such a good execution of Mysterio's illusions, whereas the climatic fight scene, it didn't have that same impact as the earlier scene did. And that's something I've noticed with a lot of the Marvel stuff is there's the middle fight scene, which is really, really well done, that it doesn't quite match up when they get to the final fight scene, the exception being endgame, of course.
00:59:44
Speaker
Infinity War as well, like that final fight scene was definitely much better too. But yeah, that was just something that I felt rewatching this again. Something else too, I wanted to talk briefly about the costume he puts on at the end of the movie, you know, the black suit. What'd you think of that? The black suit at the end of... Right, the black and red suit.
01:00:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember now. I wasn't a big fan because that's technically Miles Morales' suit. So I, for one, didn't really care for the design. I like his original suit. This one had the little glider wings. That was cool. I like that, like the amazing Spider-Man. But
01:00:31
Speaker
Other than that, I did prefer, I forgot the red and black suit, but yeah, I preferred if you would have even just stayed with the Night Monkey suit. I like this one. It was a nice callback to the original comics because in the original issues, the blue and the suit was actually black. Blue was just used for highlights because the coloring process was not very sophisticated in comics back then.
01:00:57
Speaker
So I do remember that. Yeah. So it was a very, I thought it was a nice callback to the original dico design of the black and red. One thing I didn't like about it is the white spider on the back just feels a little out of place. And I really does. Yeah. And it feels, if that had been read or if they had just been, you know, excise completely, I think it would have worked a lot better. Yeah, I think so.
Ranking 'Far From Home'
01:01:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's pretty much all that I have to say about Far From Home. If you were gonna rank this with all the Spider-Man movies, where do you think you would put this? And I'm not talking about, yeah, yeah, not just MCU, but I mean all of them. Ooh, I think I'm gonna be real ballsy and say number one. Really? Okay. Yeah. I don't think I put, I would not put it that high. I think I'd probably put it,
01:01:49
Speaker
maybe three or four, I think I would probably put it, maybe four or five, three to five, somewhere in that range I'd probably put it, like right in the middle. It's good, but I think there's some stuff that jumps out to me a lot more on repeat viewings that didn't before. What's your number one? Number one would be a toss-up between Homecoming and Spider-Man 2. I'd go back and forth between those two. Spider-Man 2 was good. Yeah. It was good, yeah.
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