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The Mandalorian: Episode 5 & 6 Recap
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Matt and Rob are back after a brief hiatus to breakdown our thoughts on episodes 5 & 6 of The Mandalorian. During our review we talk about some of the announcements made during the Star Wars celebration and how they tie into this show and the future of Star Wars.
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Transcript
Return & Mandalorian Season 3 Overview
00:00:07
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome back to Matt Goes to the Movies.
00:00:10
Speaker
We've been on a little bit of a hiatus, but we are back to talk about The Mandalorian season through.
00:00:16
Speaker
Season three, we're going to be doing a back-to-back review of episodes five and six as we get closer to the end of season three.
00:00:26
Speaker
I'm Matt, Rob is with me as always for these episodes.
00:00:29
Speaker
So Rob, like I said, a little bit of a hiatus.
Narrative Ties to Star Wars Celebration
00:00:32
Speaker
Welcome back, but I'm
00:00:34
Speaker
I think a lot to talk about, and I think some of what I want to talk about ties into some of the announcements that we heard at Star Wars Celebration, because it has to do with the Mandalorian.
00:00:48
Speaker
Whether that's good or bad, I think we'll discuss a little bit, but it feels good to talk about the Mandalorian for better or worse, so to speak.
00:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's going to be a little bit of for better and a little bit of for worse.
00:01:00
Speaker
But yeah, I'm glad we're getting a chance to get caught up because there's not a lot left.
00:01:05
Speaker
I think there's eight episodes this season and we're going to talk about five and six.
00:01:08
Speaker
So there's a lot that still has to happen.
00:01:11
Speaker
And I'm kind of excited to see what these last two episodes bring us.
00:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, I am excited to see what the last two episodes bring us.
00:01:20
Speaker
I do have a fear that based on what we've seen, we're...
Concerns Over Disjointed Plot
00:01:25
Speaker
We're almost cramming too much into the last two episodes.
00:01:28
Speaker
I feel like some of this has felt a little disjointed to me throughout the course of the season.
00:01:35
Speaker
And there hasn't been an extreme focus on what this season is about.
00:01:40
Speaker
It seems like there's a lot of budding plot points that need to kind of come together.
00:01:45
Speaker
I necessarily don't myself.
00:01:49
Speaker
You know, see us, you know, see all of those points converging on the same path.
00:01:53
Speaker
And I think that's part of the reason why I was a little curious about the announcement of, you know, a Mandalorian movie that will, you know, encompass Mando and Grogu's story.
Speculation on a Mandalorian Movie
00:02:09
Speaker
And I don't know if that was always the plan or if with kind of the canceling of certain things within the Star Wars universe and having some of the stuff that they were going to do on a separate show bleed its way into Mando, if they felt that this was the best idea.
00:02:25
Speaker
But I can't help that, you know, even with these two episodes, five and six, that, yeah, there was there was some good.
00:02:32
Speaker
There was there was a lot of stuff that I liked.
00:02:36
Speaker
It feels a little bit sloppy to me as we're getting towards the end of this season.
00:02:41
Speaker
Season three definitely does not feel as put together as season one and two through the same length of time.
00:02:50
Speaker
There's some real unevenness, I would say.
00:02:52
Speaker
Parts of season two, I felt were a little uneven.
00:02:56
Speaker
There was some incredible, powerful moments.
00:02:59
Speaker
And then there was a couple of times where I felt like the series stumbled a bit.
00:03:03
Speaker
It was still entertaining.
00:03:04
Speaker
I was still engaged with the story.
00:03:06
Speaker
I still wanted to see what happened, but I felt like...
00:03:09
Speaker
You know, it's just some bad decisions were made at different points.
00:03:12
Speaker
And throughout this season, we're kind of seeing a lot of that,
Grogu's Misplaced Role?
00:03:15
Speaker
too.
00:03:15
Speaker
There's some really specific things as we get into more episode six than five that it's just kind of like head scratching.
00:03:24
Speaker
It does kind of feel like they're trying to do a lot.
00:03:26
Speaker
And ultimately, what I really want this to be about is Mando and Grogu.
00:03:32
Speaker
Like that's that's kind of what I want.
00:03:34
Speaker
Now, I understand that you want to make the show fleshed out, to make it feel fuller, to really be able to tell a deeper story.
00:03:40
Speaker
You have to be able to tell the story of these other characters and the other things that are happening.
00:03:45
Speaker
But it does kind of feel like the story is starting to spread out a little bit wider.
00:03:49
Speaker
And I haven't decided that that's a bad thing necessarily, but that's not necessarily the story I want them to tell me.
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think with that story, you know, expanding wider.
00:04:03
Speaker
Again, it's not that I don't want more of the universe, but I just almost at this point kind of start to feel misled.
00:04:14
Speaker
And like one of the things for me is and this is not my idea.
00:04:20
Speaker
I read this and then I was like, the more I thought about it, I said, yeah, this kind of feels like a decision, like not a panic decision, but like, hey, we we can't keep this too long.
00:04:32
Speaker
But besides for being really adorable, I
00:04:37
Speaker
There's for me, and I agree with this point, you know, one of the people that feels like widely misplaced in this season is Grogu.
00:04:46
Speaker
To me, he's just there to kind of be cute and, you know, be a little bit more vocal.
00:04:51
Speaker
He had that one scene, but to me, like his flashback episode, that could have been something that was done when he was with Luke or like, I
00:05:03
Speaker
He doesn't feel, and maybe that will wholeheartedly change by the end of the season.
00:05:09
Speaker
But up until this point, he doesn't necessarily feel like he's vital to this season.
00:05:15
Speaker
Like he did in the first two seasons.
00:05:17
Speaker
He feels very much like a tag along, like, ah, geez, like we can't keep them.
00:05:22
Speaker
And again, maybe that's some of the things that happened with Cara Dune's character being taken out.
00:05:29
Speaker
I don't know.
00:05:30
Speaker
Like, I'm not an exec at Disney.
00:05:32
Speaker
I'm not.
00:05:33
Speaker
you know, Favreau and, you know, people behind the scenes, but he just, he doesn't feel as vital as he was in season one or two.
00:05:40
Speaker
And again, maybe for better or worse, but you take him out of this season and not a lot is different.
00:05:48
Speaker
Not a lot has to change.
00:05:50
Speaker
You could get that, you know, that guy that did the phantom edit where he pulls Jar Jar out of all of episode one.
00:05:57
Speaker
you could probably
Bo-Katan's Expanded Narrative
00:05:58
Speaker
do that with Grogu.
00:05:59
Speaker
Not that you should, because why would you do that?
00:06:01
Speaker
Right.
00:06:01
Speaker
Why would you, why would you do that?
00:06:03
Speaker
But,
00:06:04
Speaker
To your point and the point of the original commentator that you referenced, if you were to take Grogu completely out of the season, does it really change anything about the season?
00:06:13
Speaker
And up to this point, sadly, the answer is I don't think I don't think the answer is that it changes it at all.
00:06:19
Speaker
You do have that one flashback.
00:06:21
Speaker
You would kind of lose that.
00:06:22
Speaker
But it does feel like they are starting to try to tell more of Bo's story here.
00:06:29
Speaker
And as it relates to Din and a little bit of grief, Karga, I think you're getting more of him than what we got with just Din and Grogu in the first two seasons.
00:06:40
Speaker
I think there's more that could be expanded on.
00:06:41
Speaker
Grogu...
00:06:43
Speaker
made a huge decision, a life-changing decision to leave Luke Skywalker and the, and the Jedi path that he was on to go back to din and functionally become a Mandalorian.
00:06:58
Speaker
I mean, he's training him as a foundling he's training, you know, he's got the paintball gun that he shoots in a previous episode.
00:07:06
Speaker
He, he, he's supposed to be training him to be a Mandalorian.
00:07:11
Speaker
And we see a little bit of that, but there's some fallout there that I think could be explored, and we haven't gotten it.
00:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, and I think maybe part of that is, you know, we kind of discussed this previously, that to us, the viewer, without that outside article that we had referenced, there was no sense of timetable for how long Grogu and Din were separated.
00:07:38
Speaker
To us, the viewer, it seemed like...
00:07:41
Speaker
the blink of an eye that they were gone.
00:07:44
Speaker
He didn't really have a lot of time with Luke, but according to people, you know, inside the production, they were separated for almost two years.
00:07:54
Speaker
And, you know, I'm not saying that you had to give us 15 episodes with them apart or anything, but there was really no marker indicator.
00:08:06
Speaker
But then also it's like,
00:08:09
Speaker
to me, when you're watching these episodes, it doesn't make sense, especially with some of the information we get in episode six of, you know, kind of just as a, as a story point, we learned that like Moff Gideon never made it to trial.
00:08:25
Speaker
He was, he escaped.
Moff Gideon's Escape & New Republic's Incompetence
00:08:28
Speaker
I can't imagine that he's been on the loose for two years.
00:08:32
Speaker
That feels like a bigger news story than what they made it out to be.
00:08:35
Speaker
Right.
00:08:36
Speaker
They made it seem like it was covered up and that wasn't like everybody forgot about it.
00:08:41
Speaker
It was very strange to me.
00:08:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:42
Speaker
Like that was something where they just, you know, it's it literally, they treated it like someone, you know, you got two scoops of ice cream and one of them dropped off and fell on the floor and they're like, Oh, that stinks.
00:08:55
Speaker
But all right.
00:08:56
Speaker
Like, no, it's like that this,
00:09:01
Speaker
guy that wants to, you know, bring back like the empire or whatever form, like he's escaped who helped him, who intercepted the ship, who knew about like, and it's just kind of like, yeah, no, uh, I, I knew he never made it like, really?
00:09:21
Speaker
Why isn't everybody else freaked out about this?
00:09:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:09:24
Speaker
They're treating it very casually and it feels like,
00:09:30
Speaker
And maybe what they're trying to do is set up the New Republic as just incredibly arrogant and unfit to assume command of the galaxy to replace the vacuum that was the Empire.
00:09:42
Speaker
You know, they won the battle.
00:09:44
Speaker
And it's kind of like, you know, when your dog catches the car that he's been chasing all this time, now what do you do with it?
00:09:52
Speaker
Right.
00:09:52
Speaker
And, you know, part of the problem that I kind of had between episode five and six, and I'll talk about some specific things in five, though, because there was a couple of things that I really did like.
00:10:04
Speaker
It's almost the syndrome of the prequel trilogy where.
00:10:10
Speaker
I felt they made the Jedi look incredibly stupid in the prequel trilogy.
00:10:15
Speaker
Like these are supposed to be defenders of the galaxy and, you know, incredibly intelligent people.
00:10:21
Speaker
And they just seemed really dumb at points that they just couldn't see like what was right in front of them.
00:10:28
Speaker
But also Rob, you've heard the saying, I'm sure a ton of listeners have, uh, the best way to hide is in plain sight.
00:10:36
Speaker
Like I, I, I've heard that expression before, but,
00:10:41
Speaker
But it kind of feels like, you know, the New Republic is in some ways like dumb.
00:10:47
Speaker
And, you know, one of the things that I think they're doing here, and I think certainly from the Ahsoka trailer where we'll see more of that is it's you and I have talked about this.
00:10:58
Speaker
But to me, it's it's almost super easy now to see how the First Order was able to come about.
00:11:07
Speaker
And, you know, 30 years is like, sure, it's a long time, but you would think like, geez, they should be able to go more than 30 years without another evil empire being able to just take over the goddamn galaxy.
00:11:24
Speaker
But the way they do things, it's like that doesn't feel so far fetched, like, but it makes them look stupid.
00:11:31
Speaker
The New Republic is being presented as kind of like a cross of the worst parts of like the Keystone Cops and Phil Lumberg.
00:11:39
Speaker
And they're just they're coming across like super inept and nobody pays attention to anything that's actually important.
00:11:48
Speaker
There's people on the ground level that are saying, hey, you need to look at this.
00:11:51
Speaker
This is this is a problem.
Episode 5: Mandalorians in Action
00:11:53
Speaker
And they're you know, the people in authority and positions of authority are just kind of like,
00:11:59
Speaker
I'm not gonna, I'm just going to drink my coffee over here instead.
00:12:02
Speaker
Yeah, no.
00:12:03
Speaker
So, I mean, that's some of my overall problems like with, with five and six, but, you know, specifically talking about five, I think there were some good things in there.
00:12:13
Speaker
And, you know, one of the things that I did enjoy about episode five is, um,
00:12:18
Speaker
You know, the Mandalorians in this episode, after a speech by pause and, you know, talking about how Bo-Katan and Din risked their, you know, their necks to save his son and everything.
00:12:31
Speaker
The Mandalorians actually kind of felt like a bad deal or a big deal.
00:12:36
Speaker
They felt like warriors who had been training to be in fights.
00:12:41
Speaker
and you hadn't really gotten that up until this point.
00:12:44
Speaker
And I thought some of the, I thought the fight scenes in this were really, really well done in episode five, but it was nice to see, you know, the Mandalorians portrayed on that level.
00:12:56
Speaker
I thought that was good.
00:12:57
Speaker
I thought a lot of good dialogue happened in this one.
00:13:01
Speaker
And it was, it was just nice to see, especially for a show called the Mandalorian where it's like, okay, well, yeah, it's the Mandalorian.
00:13:08
Speaker
It means single, but geez, like,
00:13:11
Speaker
The other group can't be good.
00:13:13
Speaker
Like that cave scene overall is great.
00:13:17
Speaker
It's almost kind of like the fellowship of the way you have my flamethrower.
00:13:21
Speaker
You have my minigun.
00:13:22
Speaker
You have my blaster.
00:13:23
Speaker
This is the way this is the way.
00:13:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's it really felt like really kind of cool.
00:13:29
Speaker
And it didn't seem like it was going that way at first.
00:13:32
Speaker
And then it kind of moved that direction.
00:13:35
Speaker
And then we get what might be one of the single most badass things ever committed to screen where we get a whole squad of Mandos just dropping into town to fight pirates.
00:13:46
Speaker
That sounds like, that sounds like a backyard sandbox.
00:13:50
Speaker
I'm just dumping all of my action figures out and I'm just going to play with everything I've got here and come up with the coolest thing.
00:13:56
Speaker
Like that's, that's almost kind of like when we were talking about the transformer series with our friend Harrison over on the basement bins, just like,
00:14:03
Speaker
it just felt like a lot of those movies were just a kid at play.
00:14:06
Speaker
And this, this episode, the best parts of it really do feel like that.
00:14:11
Speaker
And it's, they, they airdrop in, in such an awesome scene, the way they kind of halo out of the sky and land.
00:14:18
Speaker
And they just start blasting and kicking ass and there's explosions.
00:14:22
Speaker
And, you know, the, that, that squad of Mando's,
00:14:26
Speaker
really does feel like elite warriors.
00:14:28
Speaker
Like they are somebody who should be feared.
00:14:30
Speaker
They are somebody who's earned their reputation across the galaxy.
00:14:34
Speaker
And it just makes din and it makes Boba Fett seem like they're that much more formidable warriors.
00:14:42
Speaker
When you actually see what Mandalorians do, you know, we, we get that periodically throughout this, this series, like whole groups of them doing Mando stuff.
00:14:51
Speaker
And it's, it's just, I never tire of it.
00:14:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:14:55
Speaker
I definitely, I like that a lot.
00:14:59
Speaker
You know, I did think it was interesting and I did like how, you know, Captain Teva of the New Republic went to, well, Carson, you know, Captain Carson Teva went to try and get help, you know, was denied help and went straight to the Mandalorian spot to, to talk to them and ask them about it.
00:15:24
Speaker
And,
00:15:24
Speaker
You know, I do like that.
00:15:27
Speaker
Code of honor thing where he's like, I know you're going to move, but you have my word.
00:15:32
Speaker
I won't tell anybody.
00:15:33
Speaker
And it's like, I believe that didn't believes him.
00:15:36
Speaker
Like, I just I like that even though he's wearing the helmet.
00:15:41
Speaker
You know, to me, there's just there's always something very cool and just relatable about the fact that.
00:15:51
Speaker
It would be nice to live in a world where your word was your bond.
00:15:56
Speaker
Like, I'm not going to say anything.
00:15:59
Speaker
End of story.
00:16:01
Speaker
Like, I do like that aspect in this show still.
00:16:05
Speaker
And I thought that was really good dialogue.
00:16:07
Speaker
And, you know, him asking for help.
00:16:11
Speaker
Again, I felt was was.
00:16:14
Speaker
really well done.
00:16:15
Speaker
But again, it just like, it's kind of overshadowed by how incompetent people who are in charge seem.
00:16:23
Speaker
Like, I really do like the character of Carson Teva.
00:16:26
Speaker
I'm, I'm starting to kind of enjoy him as a, as a reoccurring side character.
00:16:32
Speaker
I kept waiting for a grief car to just go help me din jar.
00:16:35
Speaker
And you're my only hope.
00:16:36
Speaker
Like I was waiting for it.
00:16:37
Speaker
I kind of wanted it, but I'm, I also am kind of glad they didn't go quite that far with it.
00:16:42
Speaker
That would have been cool.
00:16:44
Speaker
But you're right.
00:16:45
Speaker
There's you've got some people that when the First Order finally does take back over, there's there's a lot of New Republic figures.
00:16:55
Speaker
They're going to be like, I, I told you, I told you, you didn't listen to me.
00:16:59
Speaker
I told you all this was going to go on.
00:17:01
Speaker
And it's all of you people's fault.
00:17:04
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think there's just there's so many there's so much finger pointing that can go on.
00:17:11
Speaker
you know, with all of this.
00:17:12
Speaker
But besides that, one of the other strong things that I thought was, you know, in this episode was again, whether or not I like the change in focus, I have been severely throughout this season impressed with Bo-Katan.
00:17:35
Speaker
I have really liked her character development,
00:17:40
Speaker
And which is it's even more impressive to me considering, you know, those first two episodes, maybe even the halfway through the third.
00:17:50
Speaker
I was like, I don't know.
00:17:52
Speaker
Like, boy, she just is not like I liked her and like go mope somewhere else.
00:18:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker
Try to try to get daredevil on Batman to move over.
00:18:05
Speaker
So you can have your own gargoyle to mow.
00:18:07
Speaker
Right.
00:18:08
Speaker
Exactly.
00:18:09
Speaker
But you know, I've, I felt it's been very well done.
00:18:13
Speaker
I have liked her development.
00:18:16
Speaker
You know, in the scene of her realizing that you can walk both paths and they can be united, it doesn't have to be, well, this faith-following side of Mandalorians and this side.
00:18:36
Speaker
Hey, there's room for both.
00:18:38
Speaker
And, you know, kind of in the world we live in right now, I think there's something to take from that.
00:18:44
Speaker
Doesn't have to be as simple as, well, you either wear your helmet or you don't.
00:18:51
Speaker
You know, you don't have to be over there and I don't have to be over here.
00:18:55
Speaker
We can be right here.
00:18:59
Speaker
I like that.
00:18:59
Speaker
I thought that was a really well done scene to, you know, kind of cap episode five.
Bo-Katan's Character Development
00:19:08
Speaker
You know, I'll just kind of co-sign what you said about Bo-Katan being a character.
00:19:12
Speaker
I've grown a great deal of interest in seeing her progression and what she's done.
00:19:17
Speaker
And I'm just as excited to see what she does throughout the rest of this season and the rest of this series, frankly, as I am Din and Grogu.
00:19:26
Speaker
And what was interesting to me is, is she kind of, okay, so she ingratiates herself into this enclave and she follows their ways.
00:19:35
Speaker
She's, she's their guest at this point.
00:19:37
Speaker
So she's going to kind of just, you know, when in Rome do as the Romans do, you know, when, when you're with the death watch, you leave your helmet on and, and,
00:19:46
Speaker
it felt like when the armorer told her to go ahead and remove her helmet, it felt like she wasn't prepared to do that.
00:19:53
Speaker
It almost felt like she was okay.
00:19:55
Speaker
Kind of affiliating with this group.
00:19:57
Speaker
And that wasn't necessarily something that she needed to do.
00:20:00
Speaker
It was, did you kind of pick up on that?
00:20:02
Speaker
Like she was kind of, maybe, I don't want to say like becoming really one of them, but it felt like she was ready to walk their way.
00:20:08
Speaker
Yeah, no, I, I definitely, cause part of my mind was like, she's not doing it because she feels like it's a test and,
00:20:16
Speaker
like they're going to use that against her.
00:20:19
Speaker
But then I just, I kind of, you know, I, I snapped into that mode that you just talked about where no, I feel like in the timeframe that she's been with them and, you know, seeing them, you know, cause we also have to take into account that like from the show's perspective and from the character's perspective, um,
00:20:41
Speaker
you know, there's, there's more behind the scenes, so to speak.
00:20:44
Speaker
What we've seen, I'm sure the writers want you to, and like,
00:20:50
Speaker
probably go with the fact that hey they went and saved you know somebody's kid and then you know how how much time has passed between what we saw that last adventure to now it's not just like that's the only thing that's going on so there i'm sure there's been conversations there's been meals or whatever the case may be obviously you know
00:21:16
Speaker
But I just feel like there's more dialogue that's taken place between all of the Mandalorians where they are.
00:21:20
Speaker
And yeah, I felt like her hesitation really was.
00:21:25
Speaker
Well.
00:21:27
Speaker
I don't know that I necessarily believe.
00:21:31
Speaker
believe in that path anymore.
00:21:33
Speaker
And you've taken me in, you've shown me care and consideration and things like that.
00:21:40
Speaker
So, you know, I, I want to show that respect back.
00:21:45
Speaker
And that, that's how I, that's how I interpreted that as well.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, if you're attending a religious ceremony that's maybe not a religion you follow, you still wear like their ceremonial dress if that's part of what that ceremony is.
00:22:00
Speaker
Like it felt kind of like that.
00:22:01
Speaker
She was observing their traditions out of respect.
00:22:06
Speaker
It was just kind of interesting seeing, like I said, and I'm really fascinated to see
00:22:11
Speaker
kind of what they decided to do with Bo-Katan.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah, no, I am too.
00:22:15
Speaker
And, you know, for me, that would lead me into more of my conversation for episode six.
00:22:22
Speaker
But is there anything else that you wanted to touch on specifically about episode five?
00:22:29
Speaker
No, let's get right into six.
00:22:30
Speaker
So episode six, I really did enjoy episode five.
00:22:36
Speaker
We'll save our ratings for both till the end here.
00:22:40
Speaker
I thought episode six was a pretty significant step back from episode five.
00:22:49
Speaker
And I do mean significant.
00:22:51
Speaker
There were a lot of things I did not like about this episode.
Episode 6 Criticisms
00:22:55
Speaker
This is one of the ones that I was talking about that felt disjointed, that felt like a side quest just to fill the map and say,
00:23:04
Speaker
oh, well, our main games, you know, don't focus on the fact that the main story is only eight hours.
00:23:10
Speaker
Like we have all of these side quests in video games, which is a whole nother topic.
00:23:16
Speaker
But this just felt like one of those episodes that was really disjointed by some bad performances.
00:23:26
Speaker
And I'm not saying anything about
00:23:31
Speaker
this person other than the performance.
00:23:34
Speaker
I don't care about her music.
00:23:36
Speaker
I'm not judging her on that.
00:23:39
Speaker
I don't understand why was Lizzo a part of this?
00:23:44
Speaker
I mean, I'm sorry.
00:23:45
Speaker
I, I thought she was terrible.
00:23:49
Speaker
She brought nothing to it.
00:23:52
Speaker
I don't particularly like, I didn't think Jack black was as bad and that's somebody I really like.
00:23:59
Speaker
But it just felt like it was a. Hey, look who we have in Star Wars.
00:24:05
Speaker
Isn't this cool?
00:24:07
Speaker
And I was just like, no, it's not.
00:24:12
Speaker
Not going to disagree with anything you said.
00:24:14
Speaker
You know what it felt like to me?
00:24:15
Speaker
And it took me a couple of days to really put my finger on it.
00:24:17
Speaker
It felt like.
00:24:20
Speaker
It felt like a scene from a Muppet movie.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yes.
00:24:23
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:24:23
Speaker
That's such a good way to frickin describe it.
00:24:28
Speaker
Because it was the whole point of the cameos in Muppet movies is the fact that it's, Hey, look at the cameo.
00:24:34
Speaker
Like we got this big name to show up and play this minor character.
00:24:39
Speaker
And once, like, once I really put my finger on that idea, it was hard for me to see it any other way.
00:24:46
Speaker
You know, the scenes with Jack Black and Lizzo, they're not great.
00:24:50
Speaker
They're tonally goofy and they feel really out of place with this series.
00:24:55
Speaker
Not that there's not lighthearted, fun moments in this series, but the tone was way, way off.
00:25:01
Speaker
And I think too, and
00:25:02
Speaker
I have one of them to wink at the camera, you know, like, and I think part of the thing that really hurt it for me as well was the simple fact that like, when you say totally different, they felt like they were in two different scenes as well.
00:25:19
Speaker
Like her, you know, he felt a little too over the top.
00:25:25
Speaker
Like he felt like his character in the goosebumps movie, but
00:25:29
Speaker
And she was just very, very wooden.
00:25:34
Speaker
Like, I literally was just sitting there going.
00:25:40
Speaker
It's one of those scenes where we talked about before where you yell action, you shoot, you film, you yell cut, you look back.
00:25:50
Speaker
And I go to myself.
00:25:52
Speaker
You didn't want to take another take or is that the best one that you got?
00:25:59
Speaker
They were good by the standards you would use when you judge a host on Saturday Night Live who's not actually from the world of Hollywood.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah, it was just it was very wooden.
00:26:10
Speaker
It was very flat.
00:26:11
Speaker
You know, oh, my husband is a good man.
00:26:15
Speaker
He has done things to make changes.
00:26:19
Speaker
He would never.
00:26:20
Speaker
And I was like, who are you talking to right now?
00:26:23
Speaker
Like what?
00:26:25
Speaker
You're monologuing because you're not talking to a character.
00:26:30
Speaker
Like, it doesn't feel like you're talking to the character in front of you.
00:26:33
Speaker
It feels like you're narrating a frickin' book.
00:26:37
Speaker
It's...
00:26:38
Speaker
It's hard to look at that and understand why some of these decisions were made.
00:26:43
Speaker
And the crazy thing is this episode was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, who, when you look at other episodes in this series that she's had some of the best, some of the best.
00:26:54
Speaker
She's had some of the best.
00:26:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:58
Speaker
And that's why it's just, it felt like,
00:27:02
Speaker
I don't have an explanation for what happened here.
00:27:05
Speaker
The weird to me and not the weird thing, but it's, I do feel that there was a lot of good direction, but it was almost like, you know, maybe this was the best that you could get.
00:27:19
Speaker
And, you know, like, right.
00:27:20
Speaker
Because, because didn't boast though, play, right?
00:27:23
Speaker
Like they're, they're doing their thing.
00:27:24
Speaker
She's in the director's chair, but there's only so much she can do.
00:27:28
Speaker
She doesn't write the script, you know,
00:27:32
Speaker
she can only direct so much.
00:27:33
Speaker
And if you're only going to get this out of the character, like I said, maybe this is the best takes that you got.
00:27:40
Speaker
And, but it, it, it just, yeah, it, it felt like one of those things like, Oh, look who's in star Wars because it's cool.
00:27:51
Speaker
And, you know, I mean, and I can't say like, God forbid if for some reason, um,
00:27:56
Speaker
I got a chance to be in star Wars and got like, yeah, I take it.
00:28:00
Speaker
I don't care how much of an idiot I made myself look like on screen because I'm a terrible actor and people would probably be like, I don't know.
00:28:07
Speaker
I guess at the end of the day, I'd be like, yeah, but I was in star Wars buddy.
00:28:10
Speaker
So yeah,
00:28:12
Speaker
Screw you.
00:28:13
Speaker
Listen, if I had a chance to be in star Wars, I would happily portray Jar Jar Binks long lost and run around on, on screen drinking blue milk right out of the little fat cow thing from the Island in return to the Jedi.
00:28:28
Speaker
Just,
00:28:29
Speaker
I would do all of it just to be in Star Wars.
00:28:31
Speaker
So, I mean, to a degree, it's like, okay.
00:28:34
Speaker
But, you know, again, this is just one of those episodes that felt really disjointed.
00:28:41
Speaker
And even the culmination of the storyline of this episode with, oh my God, why am I forgetting his name?
00:28:51
Speaker
Yes, for Lloyd, my God, blanked for a second.
00:28:55
Speaker
Like even his culmination of just again, it's I likened it to Moff Gideon, just the casualness of like, oh, my lady, maybe in time I can earn your forgiveness or whatever.
00:29:09
Speaker
He's whatever he said.
00:29:10
Speaker
I'm like, uh,
00:29:13
Speaker
you guys are awfully nonchalant about somebody who is trying to take down your entire civilization.
00:29:21
Speaker
Uh, uh,
00:29:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:23
Speaker
This whole last bit is just terrible.
00:29:25
Speaker
I, and I don't fully understand the motive for these little micro droids that he's, why did he bother?
00:29:30
Speaker
What was his end?
00:29:31
Speaker
Like that's never fully described.
00:29:33
Speaker
Like he's, is he just like, other than giving bow and din something to do, because once again, we're, we're kind of on fetch quests with this series again, other than giving him something to do and name drop count Dooku.
00:29:44
Speaker
Is he just an anarchist?
00:29:45
Speaker
Like what is, what was he actually going with this?
00:29:48
Speaker
What was he doing?
00:29:49
Speaker
It's unclear to me why.
00:29:51
Speaker
And then the end of it, I was the only thing that was missing from that scene was for Christopher Lloyd to say, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling Mandalorian.
00:30:01
Speaker
Yep.
00:30:03
Speaker
It seriously felt like that.
00:30:05
Speaker
It was, yeah, it just felt so abruptly ended in terms of why they were there to take care of this.
00:30:15
Speaker
And it was like,
00:30:18
Speaker
Yeah, I just I didn't get it.
00:30:19
Speaker
And again, I was like, wow, like that's why I'm saying.
00:30:23
Speaker
And there's not an individual droid kill switch.
00:30:25
Speaker
It's just there's one kill switch to kill all of them.
00:30:28
Speaker
Like each one doesn't have an individual one.
00:30:29
Speaker
Like what?
00:30:30
Speaker
Like and I know tech and Star Wars works differently than it does here, but it seems like.
00:30:36
Speaker
when you make it work convenient for you, for the story you're trying to tell, instead of have it actually make sense, then it's noticeable and it's obvious and it pulls me out of the scene.
00:30:44
Speaker
My, my God though, I, I laugh cause Rob, you have said this,
00:30:49
Speaker
I'm exaggerating a million times, but holy cow.
00:30:53
Speaker
I love the fact that in this world of Star Wars that exists, there is light speed travel.
00:31:01
Speaker
There is nanobot technology that can heal people.
00:31:06
Speaker
There's suits that can keep a man who's missing half of his body alive and everything in between.
00:31:13
Speaker
But you still have dial up speed.
00:31:19
Speaker
For holograms.
00:31:20
Speaker
I just, those holograms, and I laugh, I think about you every time there's a hologram on screen because you, they just, they can't get reception.
00:31:32
Speaker
They still haven't, that aspect of Star Wars technology, no one's cracked the code.
00:31:39
Speaker
They've cracked cloning and everything in between, but a steady hologram picture with good cell service is out of the question.
00:31:50
Speaker
the galaxy far, far away is still on a bad writing.
00:31:53
Speaker
They are on two G network or whatever it is.
00:31:57
Speaker
But I just, I laugh anytime there's a hologram conversation in Star Wars.
00:32:03
Speaker
It just, it cracks me up.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's like we have tech better than that right now.
00:32:09
Speaker
Exactly.
00:32:10
Speaker
Matt, you and I are using tech to record this episode.
00:32:13
Speaker
Right.
00:32:14
Speaker
Maybe that's maybe that's how the frickin the Empire in the First Order, because the signal is so bad, they don't hear half the conversation.
00:32:23
Speaker
They're like, yeah, that's how they end up taking back over because the new Republic is using like a first generation iPad.
00:32:29
Speaker
Just part of the conversation that's cut off is like, no, I've literally heard them saying we're going to call ourselves the first order.
00:32:36
Speaker
This is what we're doing.
00:32:37
Speaker
Here's the plan.
00:32:39
Speaker
What?
00:32:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:42
Speaker
Hey, you guys remember the empire, right?
00:32:44
Speaker
All right.
00:32:44
Speaker
Here's what we're going to do.
00:32:44
Speaker
We're going to do all of that.
00:32:46
Speaker
The exact same.
00:32:47
Speaker
We're just going to call it the first order.
00:32:48
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:32:50
Speaker
not change anything.
00:32:51
Speaker
Not a, not a single thing, but yeah, I just, I feel like episode six was just such a step back from five.
00:33:00
Speaker
It felt disjointed.
00:33:03
Speaker
It, it really felt unnecessary.
00:33:06
Speaker
I mean, minus the, the ending of, and even that still felt very like anticlimactic
Bo-Katan and The Dark Saber
00:33:16
Speaker
with Din giving Bo the dark saber, um,
00:33:20
Speaker
And I'd kind of thought about that too.
00:33:22
Speaker
It's like, okay, well, she kind of saved him.
00:33:24
Speaker
She used the dark saber to save him and then just kind of tossed it back to him.
00:33:28
Speaker
Like I'd kind of thought about that.
00:33:29
Speaker
Well, didn't, wasn't he technically defeated and then she defeated.
00:33:32
Speaker
So like if a is greater than B and B is greater than C, then isn't a great, greater than C. Like I was trying to do that math in my head.
00:33:38
Speaker
You remember, remember like seventh grade math.
00:33:40
Speaker
We did stuff like that.
00:33:41
Speaker
Like I was trying to do that at the time, but like, and then I just kind of forgot about that idea.
00:33:45
Speaker
But it does make sense for her to finally get,
00:33:48
Speaker
the dark saber that way.
00:33:50
Speaker
And we had kind of talked about this a little bit in a previous recap.
00:33:53
Speaker
Like, are they building towards a showdown between these two characters?
00:33:56
Speaker
Cause it kind of felt like maybe it was going that way, but it, it never seemed like that was something didn't want it.
00:34:03
Speaker
He was not interested in that at all where, where Bo is obsessed with it and he couldn't be bothered to even think about it.
00:34:10
Speaker
He's just, you know, wants to hang out with space Pikachu and cruise around the galaxy.
00:34:14
Speaker
No.
00:34:15
Speaker
And again, I don't,
00:34:18
Speaker
I'm not necessarily sure what I wanted to see.
00:34:22
Speaker
I can't articulate on it, you know, any better, but you know, even just that, which is supposed to be a big moment again, just felt.
00:34:33
Speaker
And it's not because I don't think she acted it well.
00:34:36
Speaker
It's just the manner and kind of how it all just plays together.
00:34:41
Speaker
It ends again.
00:34:42
Speaker
It just, it didn't feel like as big of a moment and maybe we'll get something.
00:34:48
Speaker
it because we got a pretty cool fight.
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah, the fight was pretty good.
00:34:53
Speaker
I liked it.
00:34:54
Speaker
And maybe we'll get something in episode seven that, you know, makes it feel a little bit more appropriate.
00:35:00
Speaker
But to me, it just didn't feel like as big of a moment for her as it should have.
00:35:06
Speaker
You know, that makes sense.
00:35:08
Speaker
I'll come with you on that because something did feel off to me and I just thought kind of it was like the sour taste I had in my mouth from all of the other nonsense that happened before.
00:35:16
Speaker
Like,
00:35:17
Speaker
like it's almost like I drank a skunked beer and there's just like, okay, whatever you give me next is just going to feel weird on my palate no matter what.
00:35:25
Speaker
But that does make a lot of sense.
00:35:28
Speaker
I think there's different points in this episode that didn't really does show nice diplomacy that I didn't know that we necessarily thought he was capable of in other, other parts.
00:35:37
Speaker
So it's, it's kind of nice to see him learning the,
00:35:41
Speaker
he's kind of a simple man with, with simple motivations.
00:35:44
Speaker
He just, you know, prior to being the ward for, for Grogu, he would just collect contracts and go about his, his thing.
00:35:55
Speaker
And now he's being thrust into these situations that are greater than himself, greater than even just the immediate people that he does care about and are around him.
00:36:03
Speaker
And he never wanted to get involved, but now he has to.
00:36:07
Speaker
It's nice to kind of see him.
00:36:09
Speaker
I don't want to say playing the game, but figuring out how to interact and get the best result for the people he does care about.
00:36:15
Speaker
Right, exactly.
00:36:19
Speaker
I do.
00:36:20
Speaker
I like.
00:36:22
Speaker
I do like where he has gone.
00:36:26
Speaker
But again, I think that's where it ties in.
00:36:30
Speaker
with the announcement of what we're getting in terms of star Wars, you know, it's at the celebration.
00:36:41
Speaker
There was a lot of announcements, Ahsoka, the fact that we're getting a star Wars movie set 15 years after the rise of Skywalker with race Skywalker coming back, finally getting a high Republic, the first Jedi and how the Jedi order was founded.
00:37:00
Speaker
Amanda movie, you know, this, this episode.
00:37:05
Speaker
And we got that announcement after this episode had aired.
00:37:08
Speaker
So it kind of gave me more time to think of.
00:37:11
Speaker
And that's why I have these stronger feelings.
00:37:13
Speaker
Like, yeah, this, this was filler.
00:37:16
Speaker
Like now all of a sudden these shows are,
00:37:21
Speaker
you know, don't feel like they're individual anymore.
00:37:25
Speaker
It's almost like the first, you know, what, what was it?
00:37:34
Speaker
17 movies in the MCU that eventually led to end game.
00:37:40
Speaker
with all these branching stories, but like, that's kind of what these shows kind of felt like after these announcements were made, because we're getting a movie that describes exactly how the first order came to power.
Filler Episodes vs. MCU Storytelling
00:37:56
Speaker
And I felt like at the time, these shows were doing a good enough job with showing that, but now all of a sudden it feels like they're kind of going to be dragged out.
00:38:05
Speaker
To me, it's like a season that was on television that it's like,
00:38:10
Speaker
Did Smallville need to have 22 episodes a season?
00:38:14
Speaker
No, not really.
00:38:16
Speaker
I love Smallville.
00:38:17
Speaker
It didn't need to be 22 episodes a season.
00:38:20
Speaker
Because that's how you get filler.
00:38:23
Speaker
And after these announcements, I was like, yeah, some of this feels like even more filler now because they're trying to.
00:38:32
Speaker
Whether it be, hey, we need to recuperate some money if a movie is good, because I don't know how much money they can make off Disney Plus with the production that they put into these shows.
00:38:42
Speaker
And maybe I'm thinking too much into it.
00:38:44
Speaker
But, you know, these announcements, although I'm excited for them, to me kind of exemplified maybe some of the problems that I was having with season three of Mando.
00:38:55
Speaker
I think there's.
00:38:57
Speaker
There's benefits to making an interconnected cinematic universe.
00:39:02
Speaker
Obviously, Marvel is doing it, largely doing it fantastically.
00:39:06
Speaker
There's been some major missteps along the way.
00:39:09
Speaker
We've talked about that at length.
00:39:11
Speaker
With Star Wars, there's so much that is connected between the official tie-in novels that were then kind of kicked out of canon and some of it are back in canon.
00:39:22
Speaker
There's the tie-in graphic novels in the comic series with Marvel.
00:39:27
Speaker
There's the video games that some of it's canon, some of it's not.
00:39:32
Speaker
And all of it is intended to kind of tie in.
00:39:36
Speaker
And Star Wars is almost at a point where there's that fear of missing out that people talk about a lot now.
00:39:43
Speaker
That if you don't watch everything, if you don't read everything, and I kind of feel like...
00:39:49
Speaker
The Mandalorian has sort of been like Dave Filoni.
00:39:52
Speaker
Filoni.
00:39:52
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:39:53
Speaker
I can't pronounce his last name right now.
00:39:56
Speaker
You know, kind of his like, hey, you know, all that Star Wars content I've made.
00:39:59
Speaker
You got to go watch all of it if you really want to feel like you're catching every reference and understanding every character's backstory of this big show that everybody's watching right now.
00:40:10
Speaker
And I feel like there's... Star Wars is diverse enough that you can tell stories that have nothing to do with anything Skywalker.
00:40:21
Speaker
You can go way back in time.
00:40:23
Speaker
You can go way forward in time.
00:40:24
Speaker
You can tell stories set during...
00:40:27
Speaker
The Galactic Republic, you can tell stories set during the period of the Empire, the New Republic.
00:40:33
Speaker
You can tell all of these stories and not have a single one of them tie into a character we've already seen and still be able to tell something really compelling, really interesting and really good.
00:40:44
Speaker
And it's harder sometimes maybe to get people to jump on something of a character they've never seen that doesn't tie into a character they already like.
00:40:53
Speaker
I understand that.
00:40:55
Speaker
But I think Star Wars is a big enough IP that you can do it.
00:40:59
Speaker
I almost kind of wish they would do more of that.
00:41:01
Speaker
I mean, think how great KOTOR was.
00:41:03
Speaker
Knights of the Old Republic that came out at the Xbox and PS2 generation.
00:41:08
Speaker
Universally loved, universally regarded as one of the greatest Star Wars games, one of the greatest games of that generation of consoles.
00:41:16
Speaker
And it's still re-released and played and played and played.
00:41:20
Speaker
Had nothing to do with any characters that we had seen on film to that point, or maybe will at all.
00:41:26
Speaker
And it's it was great.
00:41:27
Speaker
It was great Star Wars.
00:41:29
Speaker
It was great entertainment.
00:41:30
Speaker
So I think there's.
00:41:31
Speaker
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
00:41:32
Speaker
I mean, Kotar, if you look at most lists is regarded as the best Star Wars game.
00:41:39
Speaker
Now, maybe Jedi survivor will overtake that spot.
00:41:44
Speaker
But yeah, the original Kotar game is is widely considered the best Star Wars game that's been created.
00:41:50
Speaker
And, you know, in some circles is maybe the best Star Wars story there.
00:41:56
Speaker
There's, you know, there's support for that.
00:42:02
Speaker
But I think what my my biggest thing is, and again, with these announcements and I will preface again, I'm you know, I'm excited.
00:42:13
Speaker
I Rob, I text you was like, so I'm really interested in the fact of Ray Skywalker.
00:42:18
Speaker
Like I, I text you immediately and was like, look at this.
00:42:23
Speaker
Like, wow.
00:42:25
Speaker
And you were like, hmm, that's interesting.
00:42:30
Speaker
You know, and I'm, I'm excited for that because you and I talked about, I'm like, you could literally erase all of the ill will towards the sequel trilogy, but
00:42:40
Speaker
with one good movie about Ray Skywalker.
Excitement for Upcoming Star Wars Content
00:42:43
Speaker
And now nobody cares that she's Ray Skywalker.
00:42:47
Speaker
It's go Ray, but it just, these announcements again, kind of make it feel like maybe they pulled in.
00:42:56
Speaker
I'm not saying you said this, but the boy, we don't want to miss out on creating something that culminates in a large scale movie event where I just, I didn't get that.
00:43:11
Speaker
that feeling before these announcements.
00:43:13
Speaker
So it, to me, it feels like you threw a curve ball for no reason.
00:43:22
Speaker
We kept hearing that there was another trilogy in the works and what I haven't heard yet.
00:43:29
Speaker
And correct me if you've heard differently is the movie that's going to be based around Ray is
00:43:34
Speaker
has not been described as a jumping off point for subsequent movies or that Daisy Ridley's under like a seven film deal or something like that.
00:43:44
Speaker
It's from, I, again, it's a very initial announcement, but you know, the things that they announced do not have any indication that
00:43:59
Speaker
that they are part of anything other than this is one movie to tell one story.
00:44:07
Speaker
And I'm 100% fine with that.
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah, I am too.
00:44:09
Speaker
Because I want them to tell a story, tell a good story, tell a compelling, captivating, cohesive story.
00:44:18
Speaker
story that reinvigorates people's passion around Star Wars.
00:44:22
Speaker
Not that I'm pretending that Star Wars is going to disappear tomorrow if they don't make a good movie or if they make one bad movie, Star Wars goes away and nobody likes it anymore.
00:44:31
Speaker
I'm certainly not saying that.
00:44:32
Speaker
It might go away for 10 years like happened with the original outswell of...
00:44:41
Speaker
Hatred towards the prequel trilogy might go away for a little while, but then look what happened.
00:44:47
Speaker
It came back how many years later and absolutely dominated the box office.
00:44:54
Speaker
That was all anybody talked about was, God, look how much money The Force Awakens is making.
00:45:00
Speaker
Yeah, so...
00:45:02
Speaker
Certainly they're not in danger, but I think the danger to the future excitement and the kinds of movies that you can make or what you'll have to do to get the fan base excited to go on opening weekend and see the movie three or four times to do Avatar or Endgame type numbers, it might change.
00:45:22
Speaker
And if this movie slaps, if this movie is good,
00:45:26
Speaker
I think it changes perception on the character of Ray.
00:45:30
Speaker
And I think it changes the dynamic of what people want from star Wars or will plunk down their hard earned money to go see.
00:45:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:38
Speaker
You know, I, I think there's, there's certainly a lot of intrigue with it as to where they can, you know, as to where they can go and I'm on board.
00:45:49
Speaker
I'll support it.
00:45:52
Speaker
You know, the one thing that we've seen is,
00:45:55
Speaker
You better hope this time that they have an actual roadmap of, okay, this is our plan.
00:46:04
Speaker
However, we're making one movie and this is where it goes.
00:46:08
Speaker
Now, here is a foundation of where it could go.
00:46:13
Speaker
And if people want to see it, then okay, we'll do it.
00:46:17
Speaker
But we have to look long and hard if people actually want this.
00:46:22
Speaker
And then not say, oh, okay, you can do whatever you want.
00:46:29
Speaker
Like, meh, you really don't have to follow anything that happened in The Force Awakens.
00:46:33
Speaker
Kind of feel free to do whatever you want.
00:46:36
Speaker
And then, oof, boy, we got a lot of backlash about The Last Jedi.
00:46:41
Speaker
Hey, could you do us a favor?
00:46:44
Speaker
Could you kind of make a soft reboot sequel to The Force Awakens, but...
00:46:54
Speaker
sort of a semi sequel to some of the plot points in the last Jedi.
00:46:59
Speaker
Like you can't do that again.
00:47:01
Speaker
You have to have the frame of the car ready.
00:47:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
I think all of that makes up one, you know, 100% sense.
00:47:12
Speaker
And when they come to choosing directors, they,
00:47:16
Speaker
you know, Rian Johnson, just keep working on Knives Out movies, stay away from Star Wars and do whatever you want on that.
00:47:23
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think that'll be an interesting thing.
00:47:27
Speaker
Anything else that you want to talk about with episode six, anything that I that I didn't bring up that you had a an opinion on?
00:47:38
Speaker
There's one kind of, I don't want to say throwaway line, but kind of like a minor plot point to this when they're talking about how the droids do everything for them and that they can't turn them off because the people will freak out and things like that.
00:47:51
Speaker
It felt like the episode was trying to make some kind of comment about humanity.
00:47:56
Speaker
But it was really lazily expressed.
00:48:00
Speaker
And honestly, like I didn't care enough to think about it to try to figure out what it was trying to say.
00:48:05
Speaker
And it just really stuck out to me as just another just another place where this episode just tripped over itself and was unsuccessful in what they were trying to do.
00:48:15
Speaker
No, I 100 percent agree with that.
00:48:17
Speaker
I felt there was maybe, you know, there's a message there.
00:48:23
Speaker
But yeah, it just, it felt like a throwaway line that, eh, okay.
00:48:27
Speaker
You could have explored something, but you didn't.
00:48:30
Speaker
And, and yeah, that was disappointing.
00:48:32
Speaker
I, I felt like it was, it was disappointing to get to episode six.
00:48:38
Speaker
Cause again, I was like, all right, whoo, cool.
00:48:40
Speaker
Episode five.
00:48:42
Speaker
And just cause of things that have been going on, uh, I kind of really watched these episodes very close together, um,
00:48:49
Speaker
So I was riding a high off of episode five going into six, and it very quickly was like, oh, well, someone put a pin in my balloon.
00:48:59
Speaker
Awesome.
00:49:04
Speaker
So that that was disappointing.
00:49:05
Speaker
However, I do want to say, Rob, I don't know if you saw it because we've we've talked about this a lot with Star Wars, though.
00:49:13
Speaker
With the Star Wars celebration and, you know, there was a lot of out swelling of support last year when it was announced, but.
00:49:24
Speaker
It was just really cool again, because when we've said when Star Wars is good, nothing feels like it, at least to me.
00:49:32
Speaker
When it's good, there's no better feeling in the world.
00:49:35
Speaker
And when people are good about Star Wars, it's so cool to see.
00:49:40
Speaker
And did you see the outpouring of.
00:49:43
Speaker
for Hayden Christensen's appearance during star Wars week.
00:49:48
Speaker
I have not seen that, but I am going to YouTube that when we're done recording.
00:49:53
Speaker
It was so cool.
00:49:55
Speaker
Literally just people cheering, chanting his name.
00:49:59
Speaker
You literally could see him like his eyes, like welling up on stage.
00:50:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:07
Speaker
It was it was so cool to see just and again, like when it was announced, he was coming back and that support.
00:50:13
Speaker
You know, I'm sure that was a rush, but I just I can't imagine going from, you know.
00:50:20
Speaker
Being like, geez, I, you know, hate Star Wars or, you know, I can't believe how what people have said to me because of Star Wars.
00:50:30
Speaker
It was just one of those cool things to see.
00:50:34
Speaker
You know, being someone who was a huge fan of of this universe, it was just a really cool thing to see.
00:50:39
Speaker
And again, it's it's a reminder when Star Wars is good, just how good it feels and how much it just it brings people together for the better.
00:50:51
Speaker
I think we talked about this on air, but with his kind of reemergence back into the Star Wars sphere and the interest that people have, certainly you've talked a lot about how great the tie-in comics are that explore what Darth Vader does between episodes three and four.
00:51:12
Speaker
And actually, I think it goes a little bit into four and five, some of that timeline stuff.
00:51:18
Speaker
If...
00:51:19
Speaker
if somebody went to him right now, if somebody from Disney went to Hayden Christensen right now and said, we want to do a Vader movie that explores his actions between three and four, are you in?
00:51:31
Speaker
I, I think you could do that.
00:51:33
Speaker
Right.
00:51:33
Speaker
I think you could make that movie.
00:51:34
Speaker
I think you could make that series right now.
00:51:36
Speaker
I think you have, you know, from curiosity standpoint, you have a major opening weekend on,
00:51:48
Speaker
It's, you know, if it's not a movie and it was a Disney plus show, you probably have the highest rated first episode watch ever in history of Disney plus.
00:52:00
Speaker
And maybe hopefully that's something that we get because there are, I tell you, I much like I have said about the clone wars that last season and particularly the last like four episodes of that show, I,
00:52:16
Speaker
I'd say that's some of the best Star Wars that's ever been produced is the Clone Wars.
00:52:22
Speaker
And then his Vader's comic is, boy, there is some incredible stuff in there.
00:52:30
Speaker
It even manages to find a way to make him screaming no cool.
00:52:35
Speaker
Maybe it's because I don't hear his voice and I just see it on the page.
00:52:40
Speaker
There's there's been some incredible things that they've done with those comics.
00:52:46
Speaker
And it even I I swear to God, I don't need a CAT scan.
00:52:52
Speaker
I'm not going crazy for people who are listening.
00:52:55
Speaker
They had done some incredible things with Vader knowing about Exegol and making connections to Rise of Skywalker in some of these comic books.
00:53:07
Speaker
They found a way to make some of the weirdest plot points of rise of Skywalker.
00:53:11
Speaker
Insanely interesting because Vader knew about some of these things way before we ever saw this movie.
00:53:19
Speaker
So there's a ton there that they could do.
00:53:24
Speaker
I'd be 100% in favor of it.
00:53:26
Speaker
But again, that would, that could be a whole nother episode, but let's go ahead.
00:53:32
Speaker
Let's get into popcorn time.
00:53:34
Speaker
Let's,
00:53:35
Speaker
stuff our face a little
Episode 5 Praise & Episode 6 Criticism
00:53:37
Speaker
bit here.
00:53:37
Speaker
We'll start with episode five and I'll go first.
00:53:42
Speaker
For me, episode five was a major thing.
00:53:45
Speaker
Step forward, it felt like a really good episode of The Mandalorian.
00:53:50
Speaker
I give episode five, four and a half buckets.
00:53:53
Speaker
I really enjoyed it.
00:53:55
Speaker
It made me excited to turn on episode six.
00:53:59
Speaker
So I thought it was very well done.
00:54:02
Speaker
Return to form, so to speak.
00:54:04
Speaker
Very enjoyable.
00:54:05
Speaker
Rob, how did you feel about five?
00:54:08
Speaker
Nothing to disagree with there.
00:54:09
Speaker
It's four and a half.
00:54:10
Speaker
It's not the best episode we've seen of this series, but it's a very good one.
00:54:15
Speaker
And it's got some great, great moments in it.
00:54:19
Speaker
It encapsulates some of what we love most about what the series is capable of.
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah, totally agree.
00:54:25
Speaker
And then we move to episode six.
00:54:27
Speaker
And this is...
00:54:31
Speaker
just a no-brainer for me uh this is actually two and a half for me on on episode six i really did not enjoy this episode i think the things that were good are completely overshadowed by really bad acting a completely unnecessary so to speak side quest in terms of where it got us to and a cheap resolution and one that felt
00:55:02
Speaker
Like it was no big deal when in terms of what was happening.
00:55:07
Speaker
It should have been a big deal.
00:55:09
Speaker
I just felt like everything was kind of swept under the rug here and it was a real disappointment to me.
00:55:16
Speaker
I'm going to go a little lower.
00:55:17
Speaker
I'm going to go to this is not quite the worst I think that we've seen, although I'm trying to remember which episode I liked less than this.
00:55:25
Speaker
I think there was one I gave I gave like a really low score to go back and double check.
00:55:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:30
Speaker
If you actually look at how Disney's been promoting this particular episode, they've been plastering Jack Black and Lizzo everywhere as though that's the reason to watch this.
00:55:41
Speaker
As though it's almost like a stunt to cast them in this to try to get people to watch the show.
00:55:47
Speaker
You don't need stunt cameo castings to get people to watch The Mandalorian.
00:55:52
Speaker
We're already here.
00:55:53
Speaker
We're already watching it.
00:55:55
Speaker
You've got great music.
00:55:56
Speaker
You've got great adventure.
00:55:57
Speaker
You've got Baby Yoda.
00:55:58
Speaker
Like what the
00:55:59
Speaker
the hell else do you need you don't i mean in all honesty you for star wars you don't need to look any further than and again he was not when when star wars first came out was mark hamill super well known no no he wasn't you know
00:56:28
Speaker
Look at The Force Awakens.
00:56:30
Speaker
You got that cast.
00:56:32
Speaker
And you're like, okay.
00:56:35
Speaker
To the casual person, right?
00:56:38
Speaker
Who?
00:56:40
Speaker
Like, oh, cool.
00:56:42
Speaker
Like, sure, the original three are coming back, but then you were like, oh, there's...
00:56:49
Speaker
who the heck are these main characters?
00:56:51
Speaker
Like, it wasn't like the casual person was going to be like, oh my, wait a minute, Daisy Ridley in a Star Wars movie?
00:56:58
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:56:59
Speaker
Like, you don't have to bank on, oh, come see it because, you know, like, turn on the Mandalorian because Jack Black's in it.
00:57:07
Speaker
And again, I like Jack Black.
00:57:08
Speaker
I think he's a funny guy.
00:57:11
Speaker
He's not the reason I would turn on Star Wars.
00:57:14
Speaker
He's part of the reason why I watched the Jumanji movies.
00:57:18
Speaker
He'd never like, you know, he'd never be a reason for me to turn on Star Wars.
00:57:26
Speaker
So I just think it was really.
00:57:31
Speaker
And again, nothing personal against him.
00:57:33
Speaker
It was just very misguided.
00:57:36
Speaker
to me.
00:57:37
Speaker
It's not what we wanted.
00:57:38
Speaker
It's not necessary.
00:57:40
Speaker
So I, yeah, I was let down.
00:57:43
Speaker
I'm not going to go quite as far as say this was like a betrayal to the fan base, but man, like it, if you're a fan who's, who sat down and was watching this and you're a star Wars diehard, if you kind of turned your TV off and were like,
00:57:57
Speaker
the hell did they just do to me like i would kind of understand that like what like why did you feel dirty yeah i need a shower like why did you do that like no who exactly is out there demanding this content for star wars yeah no it's and and that's the thing is you kind of sit there and go okay i again i i don't think jack black and lizzo
00:58:25
Speaker
are the people that get you new viewers permanently.
00:58:31
Speaker
I, you know, if that's what you're looking for, I don't think.
00:58:35
Speaker
And certainly it's not like the ratings for this benefited.
00:58:43
Speaker
Season three of the Mandalorian has nobody is going to be very well watched.
00:58:48
Speaker
Nobody is going out to cosplay as Captain Bombardier or the Duchess for Halloween this year.
00:58:54
Speaker
Like you will not see anybody do that.
00:58:55
Speaker
You're not buying a Funko pop of either.
00:58:58
Speaker
All right.
00:58:59
Speaker
I have to return something, but I can.
00:59:01
Speaker
All right.
00:59:04
Speaker
I think, I think, I think our friend might be out buying Funko pops because she buys all of them.
00:59:10
Speaker
But other than faith, I don't know who else would be buying a Funko of either of those characters.
00:59:15
Speaker
So yeah,
00:59:17
Speaker
You know, certainly the tale of two episodes, I think.
00:59:20
Speaker
We've got, what, two episodes left?
00:59:23
Speaker
Seven and eight?
00:59:25
Speaker
seven and eight time this is up and running.
00:59:27
Speaker
You're listening to this, uh, we'll be a day away from episode seven.
00:59:33
Speaker
Certainly a lot, I think to pack in to these next two episodes based on, on where we're going, uh, interested to see where the journey takes us, but it felt good to, to be back and talking at least about the Mandalorian again, for better or worse.
00:59:48
Speaker
I'll use that term again, but yeah,
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah, some other stuff coming down the pipeline here at Matt Goes to the Movies.
00:59:55
Speaker
We're going to get back on a more normal schedule here with some things cleared out of the way.
00:59:59
Speaker
But, Rob, if, you know, we're on a new platform as our main host.
01:00:05
Speaker
But if for some reason this is the first episode that a listener would have been listening to, starting on episodes five and six of The Mandalorian,
01:00:17
Speaker
where could a new listener keep in contact with Matt goes to the movie, suggest things, you know, just talk in general with the show.
01:00:27
Speaker
Yeah.
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01:00:38
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01:00:40
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01:00:46
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01:01:13
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01:01:19
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01:01:23
Speaker
Have you been into the Mandalorian?
01:01:24
Speaker
Have you been into the last of us and the Mandalorian and you're, and you want to talk about a little bit of each, if you have any particular episodes you would like to request, um, I actually do that.
01:01:33
Speaker
If you have episodes you'd like to request, please send those in because some of the suggestions that I've been sending to Matt are absolutely terrible.
01:01:41
Speaker
And I do not want to watch any of the movies I've been suggesting lately.
01:01:45
Speaker
And I'm afraid we're probably going to do it anyways, and I'm not going to have anyone to, and I want to watch all of them.
01:01:50
Speaker
So please give us a,
01:01:52
Speaker
So please send in your suggestions or your themes for a series of shows, because the ones that I'm coming up with right now are just so god awful and bad.
01:02:03
Speaker
But that's honestly, that's probably what you, the listener, want to hear anyways, because it sounds like the episodes where we watch bad movies are some of people's favorites.
01:02:11
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:02:12
Speaker
So again, I'll just reiterate listeners.
01:02:15
Speaker
Thank you so much for a new listener and existing listener.
01:02:19
Speaker
We really appreciate it.
01:02:21
Speaker
Always have a blast doing this show, Rob.
01:02:23
Speaker
Thank you as always.
01:02:25
Speaker
And we will catch you very soon at Matt goes to the movies.