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Halo Season 2: Episode 7 / Thermopylae
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John-117 comes face to face with Makee; a revelation leads Ackerson to question his loyalties; Soren and Laera's relationship begins to fracture; Halsey, Kwan and Miranda work to solve a mystery.
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00:00:00
Speaker
All right, everyone.
Introduction to Halo Season 2, Episode 7
00:00:02
Speaker
Let's talk about Halo season two, episode seven.
00:00:08
Speaker
We are getting very, very close.
00:00:12
Speaker
One episode left before.
00:00:16
Speaker
Well, sorry, one episode left, which will be the season finale.
00:00:19
Speaker
But before we get there, we have to start here with episode seven.
Improvements in Season 2 Over Season 1
00:00:25
Speaker
You know,
00:00:26
Speaker
Rob, obviously I've been very, very critical of the show, even though I've said it does things better than season one.
00:00:36
Speaker
I feel at this point, season two is obviously to me an improvement over season one, whether or not I like it, you know, has, has been a different story.
00:00:46
Speaker
Clearly I have not.
00:00:47
Speaker
You have, uh,
00:00:48
Speaker
been more favorable, gotten more enjoyment.
00:00:51
Speaker
Um, I don't want to dare say like it overall.
00:00:56
Speaker
That's for you to say, but you definitely have gotten more enjoyment.
00:01:00
Speaker
Uh, we had some maybe revelations you would call them in this episode.
Future of Halo Series and Metrics
00:01:05
Speaker
I think it still suffers from some of the same things that I have complained about, but to me, some good in here too.
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Speaker
Um, and maybe the promise of,
00:01:19
Speaker
We're about to turn a corner.
00:01:21
Speaker
Now I've said that before, but again, there are some things in here that I said, maybe we just need to wait to get to season three for this show to be what I want it to be.
00:01:33
Speaker
And if this show goes for, you know, four, five, six seasons and three, four, five, and six are great.
00:01:43
Speaker
I guess who cares about seasons one and two at the end of the day, even if this only goes to a third season and the third season is a holy shit knockout of the park home run.
00:01:53
Speaker
Who cares about season one and two?
00:01:55
Speaker
But we don't know about that yet because we have to get to the end of season two and we have to find out whether or not it's greenlit.
00:02:03
Speaker
I would think it would be considering all metrics of this show show it better than season one.
00:02:08
Speaker
But let's talk about episode seven.
Increased Buzz Around Season 2
00:02:13
Speaker
Yeah, I've been hearing some of the same stuff that...
00:02:17
Speaker
It's been doing well.
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Speaker
People are watching this.
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Speaker
I am seeing more buzz about this show in places that I go online and just people talking about it.
00:02:27
Speaker
There's been a lot more written about this show than there was in season one.
00:02:32
Speaker
I feel like this overall so far has been a better season than season one, you know, just as a whole.
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Speaker
But I feel like the highs of season one were higher.
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Speaker
Certainly the lows of season one were much, much lower.
00:02:47
Speaker
I still don't feel like we've got a great show yet.
00:02:51
Speaker
I think, I think it, a lot of this hinges on the, the season finale as most, you know, seasons of television do whether or not it's going to matter.
00:03:01
Speaker
It would be, it would be incredible to me if this did not get renewed for a third season on a show called halo.
00:03:08
Speaker
That's all about fighting on ring worlds.
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Speaker
And we've not even really been to the ring world.
00:03:12
Speaker
Like they're, they're going there this time, but, um,
00:03:17
Speaker
Yeah, I'm hopeful for a third season.
00:03:20
Speaker
And I think we kind of talked about this a
Comparison with Shows Like The Office
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Speaker
little bit last week.
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Speaker
There's definitely shows that you recommend to friends and coworkers and acquaintances that you're like, oh yeah, this is a great show.
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Speaker
It's one of my favorite of all time.
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Speaker
But the first one or two seasons are kind of rough.
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Speaker
They don't really find their way.
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Speaker
think about how the people talk about the office, you know, like the, it really takes them some time to, to figure out what works about these characters.
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Speaker
And then once they do it, it really takes off from there.
00:03:46
Speaker
So maybe this is, maybe this is like that.
00:03:51
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Yeah.
00:03:51
Speaker
You know, it, uh, again, I think there's some, I think there's a lot of good here and, you know, this is really the first episode where I went,
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Speaker
The things that they're doing and they're talking about and showing actually make me forgive the lack of, and I'm air quoting master chief.
Significant Moments in Episode Related to Dr. Halsey and Quan
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Because you got some, when I say revelations, if you know this series, you got some pretty big moments here in which you're going, okay, I know what this is supposed to be.
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I know where this is supposed to lead.
00:04:34
Speaker
And those scenes certainly are with Dr. Halsey and Quan.
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There's a lot in there to talk about, about what they're finding meant and what we're going to see now.
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Speaker
if they just play it straight.
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Speaker
And that had me really excited.
00:04:52
Speaker
I thought some of that stuff, um, not so much some of the execution with the dialogue.
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Speaker
I still cannot stand Quan.
00:05:00
Speaker
I think she's, you know, uh, she is plain vanilla ice cream, which is normally great, but you're just sitting there staring at the scoop on the ground.
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Speaker
You can't do anything with it.
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Speaker
Like, oh, like,
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Speaker
Oh, I want you so bad, but I'm not going to pick you up off the ground and eat garbage.
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Speaker
Like, darn it.
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Speaker
And it's a shame because she's actually tied to something very interesting right now.
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Speaker
But just her character is so...
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Speaker
To me, unlikable.
00:05:39
Speaker
Like, it's so unrelatable you can't get attached to it.
00:05:45
Speaker
But I will say, because there's not a ton that I actually had wrong with this episode.
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Speaker
But one of the things that I just want to get out of the way, Rob, is, you know, I kind of found it funny that, you know, we finally get Master Chief back in uniform.
Discussion on Master Chief's Portrayal
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you know, minus his helmet still, but they're still going on this purpose that it's like, you just have to believe it.
00:06:14
Speaker
And again, I'm saying this from a fan of the show that is just watching the show from the beginning.
00:06:19
Speaker
So I would love to,
00:06:20
Speaker
To talk to somebody because the crazy thing is, is like nobody in my circles is watching or talking about this show.
00:06:26
Speaker
So it's like normally I have a whole group of people that I talk to about something like this.
00:06:33
Speaker
You know, this is not one of them, but.
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Speaker
to me, somebody who's new to this universe and is just watching this show and is like, well, I'm not going to go play the games.
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Speaker
I'm not going to go bother to read about anything.
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Speaker
Like everything I'm getting is from the show and you're enjoying it.
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Speaker
Great.
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Speaker
But there's still all of that.
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Speaker
hearing about what master chief has done to me.
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Speaker
He's still not this, this symbol and like what they make him out to be in this show.
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Speaker
And even when people see him or he's having his conversations and like, do you know what it would mean to them to see you fight with us?
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Speaker
And it's like,
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Speaker
Okay.
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Speaker
I did love how when he's walking by though, and he's seeing these billboards, you know, finish his fight master chief.
00:07:20
Speaker
I love how they didn't even bother to actually have his picture be of the suit in the show.
00:07:25
Speaker
They ripped it from the video game with the lighter green, you know, the more, you know, color accurate green armor instead of this darker suit that he has.
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Speaker
I just kind of found that funny that, well,
00:07:39
Speaker
What master chief is that?
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Speaker
Cause that's not the suit he wears.
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Speaker
You know, I kind of sort of caught that a little bit too.
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Speaker
And it wasn't until like, there was something about it that just kind of registered in the back of my head, but it wasn't until you just said it there that I really understood why something kind of jumped out at me.
00:07:55
Speaker
I think in, in this, in the universe of what the show is trying to tell, I think that just speaks to some of the propagandist nature of the UNSC.
Criticism of UNSC's Propaganda and Strategy
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Speaker
Um, um,
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Speaker
Because so much of what they do is built on falsehoods and lie and misdirection and getting people to die valiantly for the cause and things like that.
00:08:17
Speaker
So yeah, they're going to misrepresent it.
00:08:21
Speaker
They're going to gin it up.
00:08:22
Speaker
They're going to really cartoonify it to try to make it look even more a certain way as opposed to the realistic way.
00:08:30
Speaker
But at the same time, and I have this same problem with this episode that I did
00:08:35
Speaker
in previous episodes.
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Speaker
And it's a, it's a major complaint that I have about what Perangoski is doing is what,
00:08:42
Speaker
like you're fighting a war for the survival of your species.
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Speaker
You don't have to create support.
00:08:50
Speaker
This is not an enemy that there is like mitigating circumstances or like other, like, you know, certain factors like, well, you know, we kind of provoked this.
00:09:00
Speaker
So like, there's none of that.
00:09:02
Speaker
They want to wipe your species from existence, murder all of you.
00:09:08
Speaker
Like you don't need to get the public behind you.
00:09:10
Speaker
They're already there.
00:09:12
Speaker
And that's where so much of this season has been a problem for me.
00:09:18
Speaker
And we see that again in this episode.
00:09:21
Speaker
But it's like you don't need to create a martyr out of chief.
00:09:26
Speaker
The people are already into it.
00:09:27
Speaker
It's not like they're going to pull funding for the war against the covenant because it's like...
00:09:33
Speaker
It's not like modern wars in our world where the public is either behind it, not behind it, or gets tired of it and doesn't want to spend taxpayer dollars on a war in a foreign nation anymore.
00:09:45
Speaker
We're not talking about the war in the Middle East.
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Speaker
We're not talking about the war in Afghanistan.
00:09:51
Speaker
We're not talking about Ukraine.
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Speaker
We're not talking about any of these things.
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Speaker
We're talking about an alien species hell-bent on the elimination of you.
00:10:02
Speaker
You don't need any more support.
00:10:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:10:05
Speaker
And, you know, that is the thing that is one of the problems, you know, that I had.
00:10:11
Speaker
And also, too, it ties into, you know, Eccerson, where it's that to me, it was very, very typical.
00:10:21
Speaker
All of a sudden, you know, oh, you can't you're sending them in.
00:10:24
Speaker
This is my life's work.
00:10:26
Speaker
It's like, I don't know.
00:10:28
Speaker
Your cause isn't much nobler than.
00:10:31
Speaker
you know, what's her name, sending all the Spartan threes to their death.
00:10:36
Speaker
Like you were, do you know what it reminded me of?
00:10:39
Speaker
It was giving me, it was giving me a final season game of Thrones vibes where they just sent the Dothraki out against the Knights King just to have them all immediately slaughtered.
00:10:50
Speaker
Like, like just sending out all of your cavalry immediately to just all die with no backup and no support.
00:10:56
Speaker
Like, it just seemed like,
00:10:58
Speaker
for whatever reason, they just wanted to have all those things die.
00:11:01
Speaker
And it's, it's tactically just as stupid to send all of your assets into a wood chipper like that over and over and over again.
00:11:09
Speaker
Like,
00:11:10
Speaker
And I understand.
00:11:11
Speaker
I had a little less of an issue with it later when you realize that all she needed was one soldier to get in there with one spike.
00:11:19
Speaker
And it literally takes care of all of those problems.
00:11:22
Speaker
But at the same time, like she's got no backup plan, apparently.
00:11:26
Speaker
So she's just continuing to send all these Spartan threes out as fast as they can make them.
00:11:30
Speaker
And what really makes me ask again is what, what was the benefit of trying to martyr the chief?
00:11:35
Speaker
If all you needed was one spike, he's literally your best soldier.
00:11:39
Speaker
Who's got a better chance of pulling it off than him.
00:11:41
Speaker
And
Creation of Unnecessary Conflict in the Show
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Speaker
if what you're really trying to do is kill him off, uh, one stone, two birds, one stone.
00:11:48
Speaker
So it makes the whole,
00:11:50
Speaker
Problem I have with them just allowing reach to just get glassed and millions of people to die.
00:11:56
Speaker
All of these military assets to just go up in explosions, especially their best assets.
00:12:02
Speaker
It still makes me scratch my head going, what, why is this here other than to create conflict for the show?
00:12:09
Speaker
I don't understand these decisions.
00:12:12
Speaker
Right.
00:12:12
Speaker
Because there's naturally enough conflict with your race, your species being extinct.
00:12:21
Speaker
There's enough conflict there.
00:12:22
Speaker
There's enough to go with.
00:12:27
Speaker
And yeah, that's kind of the biggest thing is it's manufactured conflict for the sake of it, where there's just a lot of natural stuff.
00:12:36
Speaker
And I know that a lot of what they are doing was...
00:12:42
Speaker
You know.
00:12:45
Speaker
They call it, I believe, like the Silver Age timeline where this stuff was actually after the games came out, the lore was expanded upon.
00:12:55
Speaker
And I realize there's a time and a place for it, but it's like you could have.
00:13:02
Speaker
boy, you could have done some of this as let's get through halo.
00:13:05
Speaker
And then, I mean, the walking dead did it, obviously, you know, we've talked to, you know, there's been all those talks about ratings and the decline of the walking dead and how it went from being the most popular thing in the world to like, Oh, whatever, I'll catch it.
00:13:19
Speaker
Or maybe I won't.
00:13:20
Speaker
Um,
00:13:22
Speaker
But you could have done some of this stuff as a spinoff.
00:13:26
Speaker
You know, you could have done.
Critique of Soren's Storyline
00:13:28
Speaker
Oh, we're doing one season.
00:13:29
Speaker
That's the fall of reach.
00:13:31
Speaker
A limited time five episode release.
00:13:35
Speaker
You know, I mean, The Walking Dead, the ones who live is six episodes long.
00:13:41
Speaker
That's it.
00:13:42
Speaker
Like and it arguably has.
00:13:45
Speaker
but not even arguably it has your most popular character and that entire series with, you know, Rick finally coming back to the show and they're only giving him six episodes.
00:14:00
Speaker
Like,
00:14:01
Speaker
you have your person who is the mainstay and who people wanted to see in that series and he gets six episodes.
00:14:08
Speaker
So there's, there's something there where you could have done and, and went with, you know, the halo ring and everything else is what they wanted to see.
00:14:15
Speaker
And, and one of those things is what I'm going to talk about in a minute here.
00:14:18
Speaker
So there, there does seem to be, you know, I can't even say there is still those weird decisions because at this point, like, you know,
00:14:27
Speaker
they have to finish the story that, that they've crafted.
00:14:31
Speaker
So, you know, even though it doesn't make sense, I get why it's happening in the context of this is a story that they're telling, not saying that it's good or I enjoy it, but I guess in this episode, maybe I'm a little bit more forgiving.
00:14:49
Speaker
This one kind of was my, okay.
00:14:54
Speaker
Like I was able to maybe kind of,
00:14:56
Speaker
break away and have a little bit of a maybe out of body experience with, okay, what are the things that I actually like?
00:15:03
Speaker
I, I focused more on what I liked about this episode more so than what I did for the first time in a lot of, of these episodes.
00:15:12
Speaker
Um, and go, go ahead.
00:15:15
Speaker
I was just saying, just, it must, uh, you must've caught this on a moment.
00:15:18
Speaker
You were just kind of in a good mood.
00:15:19
Speaker
I'm thinking, cause you, you've given this a lot more credit than you've gotten, uh, than you've given anything else this season.
00:15:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:27
Speaker
And again, I think that's because of the fact that, you know, there's certain things that happen here where I go, okay, this is what I want to see or, or this is the lore.
00:15:39
Speaker
And these are the hints that I was waiting for.
00:15:41
Speaker
And, and one of those is, you know, involving Dr. Halsey and, and Quan and I'm, it's slipping my mind right now.
00:15:52
Speaker
The other, the other name, Miranda, Miranda.
00:15:56
Speaker
Um, I don't know why I forgot that having a fricking brain fart.
00:16:00
Speaker
Um, but more connection to the forerunners and certainly a call and a, a wink and a nod to the fact that spoiler alert people.
00:16:17
Speaker
Sorry, if you don't know anything about this, um, cover your ears.
00:16:22
Speaker
The flood is a thing.
00:16:25
Speaker
Um,
00:16:26
Speaker
If you know this universe, you know that what they saw and what that is built for is a protection against the flood.
00:16:37
Speaker
And I went, that's what I, this is the lore I want to see.
00:16:41
Speaker
This is what I want it going towards.
00:16:43
Speaker
I want to know that this is where it's going and they could pull the rug out from under me.
00:16:49
Speaker
But this really was one of the very few episodes where I was like, if you're not going to give it to me and we're going to do a slow burn, this is how I wanted it.
00:16:58
Speaker
You've you've done something that actually really captured my interest and I thought was a way to introduce something that was done.
00:17:09
Speaker
Moderate, like moderately well, I still think some of the performances and the dialogue from these actresses was was stilted.
00:17:18
Speaker
but what it was representing was very interesting.
00:17:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:24
Speaker
The light bridge, the doorway, so cool.
00:17:27
Speaker
And it's amazing that they spent this kind of time really catching the detail and making those things game accurate for this environment when they've literally lit the script of the entire game series on fire up to this point.
00:17:39
Speaker
But they made those details really
Character Dynamics and Emotional Highlights
00:17:43
Speaker
cool.
00:17:43
Speaker
And to have kind of a forerunner body there,
00:17:47
Speaker
was really kind of like, okay, what's going to be going on here?
00:17:51
Speaker
And the mysticism, not mysticism, but the mystery, I guess, is the word I'm looking for about who these people were and the fact that there's a connection between their DNA and our DNA.
00:18:02
Speaker
All of this stuff is kind of the sci-fi lore that is around a really fun shooting game that keeps you engaged with what actually is happening to the people that are doing the shooting.
00:18:16
Speaker
and why their mission is important and it's and why their mission matters.
00:18:20
Speaker
It's, it was really like, okay, we're, we're starting to get some of the good stuff here.
00:18:25
Speaker
Yeah, I really did.
00:18:27
Speaker
Um, think, you know, we had some pretty good stuff in here.
00:18:32
Speaker
Um, you know, I, I didn't like, um,
00:18:37
Speaker
I didn't like his whole, oh, well, you can't sacrifice my Spartans because this is my life work.
00:18:44
Speaker
I'm like, you should not feel bad about the sacrifice of the Spartan threes, considering you were so complicit in the absolute annihilation of God, what hundreds of thousands of people.
00:19:00
Speaker
You know, he says life's work.
00:19:02
Speaker
That program is like two weeks old.
00:19:05
Speaker
Right.
00:19:06
Speaker
Exactly.
00:19:08
Speaker
It's like, that's it.
00:19:09
Speaker
It's your life's work.
00:19:10
Speaker
Get the hell out of here.
00:19:11
Speaker
So wasn't necessarily, you know, a fan, a fan of that.
00:19:21
Speaker
But.
00:19:21
Speaker
I did actually like, um, I almost want to skip over that opening scene, um, with John and McKee because, oh God, um, you know, if we've talked about two people not having chemistry, um, I don't think those two actors, actor and actress have chemistry together at all.
00:19:45
Speaker
I just don't.
00:19:46
Speaker
Um, I just don't agree with it.
00:19:49
Speaker
And I don't,
00:19:51
Speaker
Again, how many times in a dialogue do we have to get?
00:19:55
Speaker
We're the same.
00:19:56
Speaker
We're not.
00:19:57
Speaker
Oh, I see it.
00:19:58
Speaker
We're like, oh, my God.
00:20:00
Speaker
Like, stop.
00:20:01
Speaker
It's bad.
00:20:02
Speaker
Like, find something else.
00:20:03
Speaker
But, you know, one thing that I did find, I was like, wow, they did a pretty
Lack of Chemistry Between John and McKee
00:20:11
Speaker
good job here.
00:20:11
Speaker
And I've been pretty critical, I would say, of.
00:20:18
Speaker
You know, Pablo Schreiber and his acting skills in certain scenes.
00:20:23
Speaker
But I thought he did a pretty good job in the scene where he's with.
00:20:32
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:20:33
Speaker
What is her name?
00:20:34
Speaker
Why am I forgetting it, Rob?
00:20:35
Speaker
I told you I'm having.
00:20:37
Speaker
Brain hearts here.
00:20:38
Speaker
Kai.
00:20:39
Speaker
Um, I thought there scene where she's going to go and she's going to be with the Spartans and, you know, he says like, I'm, I can't go with you.
00:20:51
Speaker
I actually thought that was a pretty well acted scene from both of them where I felt some genuine emotion there and like a real, um,
00:21:00
Speaker
yes, I understand why you have to do what you have to do and you understand why I have to do what I'm going to do.
00:21:07
Speaker
And that scene made me feel like, yes, like they've been a team.
00:21:12
Speaker
They know each other.
00:21:13
Speaker
They've, you know, they've been through the ringer together and that mutual respect there.
00:21:21
Speaker
And even after a lot of the missteps that I thought they had between those two characters, I thought they managed to play that off well enough where I was like,
00:21:28
Speaker
Oh, I kind of feel for this.
00:21:31
Speaker
I liked that a lot.
00:21:32
Speaker
I think the dynamic between the two of them is probably the most interesting one on the show overall.
00:21:39
Speaker
The small gripe on that, you know, Kai seemed very loyal to these Spartan threes that she's leading.
00:21:45
Speaker
But again, the program is like two weeks old, maybe three.
00:21:50
Speaker
Like, you know, you think about how long that, you know, the how long has it been since Reach has been destroyed?
00:21:59
Speaker
Has it been a month even like, you know, that's all the longer that this thing's really been, you know, think about Perez.
00:22:06
Speaker
Like she was on reach, not as a Spartan three, like, and now she is.
00:22:12
Speaker
So it can't be that old of a program.
00:22:15
Speaker
It's like a kid with their toys, right?
00:22:16
Speaker
They're, they love it for two to three weeks.
00:22:19
Speaker
And then all of a sudden it's like, I could have just bought them the box that it came in and they would have been fine with it.
00:22:23
Speaker
Like, yeah, it's very much like that.
00:22:26
Speaker
But I agree with you that that scene overall, you know, I liked how that dynamic worked.
00:22:31
Speaker
I did enjoy that.
00:22:33
Speaker
There's there's a scene kind of towards the beginning that I kind of hated.
00:22:37
Speaker
You mentioned the opening one between McKee and John and the less that we talk about that, the better.
00:22:42
Speaker
Almost immediately after I think it is the next scene is when the MPs kind of come in and they're going to arrest John and then they're going to shoot him.
Criticism of Scene with MPs Arresting John
00:22:51
Speaker
And it's just that whole scene is weak.
00:22:53
Speaker
It's really not well explained why they, why they end up choosing not to follow orders.
00:22:58
Speaker
Like, it's just kind of like, they've been following orders on everything else up to this point.
00:23:02
Speaker
Like,
00:23:04
Speaker
every time they've had to arrest John or do something that is just under orders, but obviously we as an audience member know isn't right, they've gone along with it.
00:23:15
Speaker
And at this point, they're still drinking the Kool-Aid from the UNSC and Oni on what... That these guys are bad and they're deserters or they're traitors or whatever.
00:23:25
Speaker
He's collaborating with the enemy or whatever.
00:23:27
Speaker
They don't know that any of that stuff is bullshit yet.
00:23:32
Speaker
So it's never really...
00:23:34
Speaker
we're not given great reasons why they choose not to like they, they decided to show up and then they show up and they're like, nah, I'm good.
00:23:43
Speaker
It's terrible.
00:23:44
Speaker
It's almost like there was like a fricking deleted scene where like they saw like, you know, John who was supposed to be, you know, almost a terrorist, you know, a traitor, like save a bunch of people or save their fellow soldiers.
00:23:59
Speaker
And like, oh, well,
00:24:02
Speaker
You know that that realization like oh he's not such a bad guy after all like why would this guy that we were led to believe did all of this like why would he risk his life to save our group or to like no he just walks into the room and all of a sudden they're like oh hey what up man like yeah you know it just doesn't make sense um
00:24:27
Speaker
And, you know, speaking of not making sense and tell me if I missed something here, but I actually went back and rewatched it.
Soren's Reunion with His Son
00:24:36
Speaker
So.
00:24:38
Speaker
Soren, I knew you were going there.
00:24:41
Speaker
I knew it.
00:24:41
Speaker
I knew it.
00:24:42
Speaker
He he he finds his son.
00:24:45
Speaker
He beats up these people.
00:24:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:49
Speaker
you know, the same group that turned him into a Spartan.
00:24:51
Speaker
So he, he saves his son and then turns around and basically treats it like he's picking his son up for the weekend.
00:25:02
Speaker
He just, he doesn't like run up to him and hug him and hold him.
00:25:06
Speaker
It's, Hey son, how are you doing?
00:25:10
Speaker
I'm your dad.
00:25:11
Speaker
Like there's no emotion there that like, Oh, I've got them back.
00:25:16
Speaker
There's just nothing.
00:25:18
Speaker
And then,
00:25:21
Speaker
The mom and the son just disappear and he literally stands there.
00:25:26
Speaker
He doesn't know.
00:25:27
Speaker
He doesn't run after them into the mist.
00:25:29
Speaker
He does nothing.
00:25:31
Speaker
He just stands there like a freaking buffoon.
00:25:36
Speaker
Did I miss something with this scene?
00:25:38
Speaker
Is he like, well, that's a lot less stress in my life.
00:25:42
Speaker
Like what?
00:25:43
Speaker
I don't understand what happened.
00:25:46
Speaker
If you missed it, then so did I, because the last two or three episodes that this plot has been running for, I've not understood anything.
00:25:56
Speaker
It's like he's not going to reclaim his son because he's going to allow him to become a Spartan when he's only ever hated the UNSC and what they did do it.
00:26:06
Speaker
Like, you know, he's got that mutation of his arm or whatever.
00:26:09
Speaker
You know, he was raiding their ships and their resources.
00:26:13
Speaker
Like, so then he just flips to wanting to be back as a Spartan and have his son go through the same trauma he did.
00:26:20
Speaker
Explain this to me like I'm five.
00:26:22
Speaker
Right.
00:26:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:24
Speaker
What...
00:26:25
Speaker
What?
00:26:26
Speaker
Like, are you are you kidding me?
00:26:29
Speaker
This this makes no sense at all for any interest that I had in the character of Soren.
00:26:35
Speaker
It's gone.
00:26:36
Speaker
Like, I just want this dude off the show.
00:26:38
Speaker
I want I want him, the wife, the kid, just let them go back to their little meteor and be space pirates or whatever and never see them again.
00:26:46
Speaker
I don't need them in the show anymore.
00:26:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:49
Speaker
And hopefully we get the only thing that I hate about that is, um, uh, it seems like we're going to have to get some sort of finality in the season finale of that storyline.
00:27:09
Speaker
Um,
00:27:10
Speaker
Preferably, I'd love not to see it at all, but I don't want that dragged into season three.
00:27:15
Speaker
I don't want it my season finale because, you know, the the ending of this episode, again, I've been wrong before, but gives you the the hope of.
00:27:26
Speaker
Oh, here's what it gave me.
Optimism for a Satisfying Conclusion
00:27:28
Speaker
It gave me that feeling of, and I know a lot of people didn't like it when it first happened.
00:27:34
Speaker
I wasn't one of those people.
00:27:36
Speaker
I was an initial reaction to the ending of the Halo 2 game.
00:27:41
Speaker
And Rob, you'll know this.
00:27:42
Speaker
We've talked about this before, like people that were around when Halo 2 first came out.
00:27:46
Speaker
There were some divided opinions on the ending of Halo 2.
00:27:51
Speaker
I was a fan right off the bat.
00:27:53
Speaker
I was like,
00:27:55
Speaker
Hell yeah!
00:27:55
Speaker
Like, oh god!
00:27:58
Speaker
Um...
00:27:59
Speaker
I'm just, I'm so like, oh, that's so awesome.
00:28:02
Speaker
Because basically the ending of Halo 2 is, you know, Master Chief and he's on the ship and he's asked, you know, Master Chief, what are you doing?
00:28:13
Speaker
He's like, sir, finishing this fight.
00:28:16
Speaker
And I was just like, back then I was like, oh my God, I can't wait for Halo 3.
00:28:21
Speaker
Like, this is freaking awesome.
00:28:23
Speaker
Like, that's Master Chief.
00:28:26
Speaker
And the ending of this episode is,
00:28:28
Speaker
kind of gave me that feeling of, oh man, like here's master chief going to finish this fight.
00:28:35
Speaker
And, and that's what I want is I want,
00:28:39
Speaker
Master Chief, he can even have his helmet off for a little bit of it.
00:28:42
Speaker
I don't care.
00:28:43
Speaker
But I want Master Chief going, I'm going into battle.
00:28:47
Speaker
Like, you're going to see 117.
00:28:51
Speaker
That's what this episode gave me.
00:28:53
Speaker
Now, again, I might be hyping myself up, but this episode really made me go, yes, like, go get him, Master Chief.
00:29:02
Speaker
And I have not had that feeling with this show, admittedly.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:07
Speaker
You know, seeing him in the, in the Pelican, actually, I think it's a condor on his way to the ring world.
00:29:14
Speaker
Like it gives me hope that at some point the ring world is going to be exploding.
00:29:20
Speaker
He's going to be driving a warthog and we're going to have this great orchestra playing the theme song with the heavy metal guitar.
00:29:28
Speaker
Yes.
00:29:28
Speaker
Like it gives me hope that that'll happen, that we're going to have him, you know, master chief doing master chief things.
00:29:35
Speaker
Like it's,
00:29:36
Speaker
It could happen.
00:29:37
Speaker
It could absolutely happen.
00:29:41
Speaker
I'm optimistic.
00:29:42
Speaker
So I guess the question that I want to ask, let's go ahead and predict.
00:29:49
Speaker
Do you think you will be satisfied by next week's season finale or not?
00:29:54
Speaker
Will you regard, do you expect to be sitting here next week saying, I was satisfied with that?
00:30:01
Speaker
I actually have a resounding yes for that.
00:30:04
Speaker
I oddly do too.
00:30:06
Speaker
For as much as I've complained and we've complained.
Reignited Interest in the Series
00:30:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:10
Speaker
I mean, I believe so.
00:30:12
Speaker
You know, I was good.
00:30:13
Speaker
Lord, with this show, I was the Cavaliers fan burning LeBron's jersey when he went to the heat.
00:30:20
Speaker
Like, I'm the guy putting my copies of Halo video games in a trash can and lighting it on fire.
00:30:28
Speaker
Like, screw you.
00:30:29
Speaker
Like, yeah, you know, I've been.
00:30:32
Speaker
very vocal about my dislike for this show, but there, there was just something overall about this episode where again, whether it be the right frame of mind or whatever the case may be.
00:30:45
Speaker
And I really don't care what you chalk it up to.
00:30:51
Speaker
There's just something about this episode that I went, huh?
00:30:55
Speaker
I feel like they struck the right balance of,
00:30:58
Speaker
Halo and what they're trying to do with Halo.
00:31:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:05
Speaker
When this thing gets things right, wow, is it fun.
00:31:10
Speaker
It's good.
00:31:10
Speaker
You know, the battle scenes, when you've got human forces and covenant forces going at each other, it's really well done.
00:31:19
Speaker
And we have to be getting some of that next week.
00:31:22
Speaker
Hopefully they kind of tie some of this up.
00:31:25
Speaker
I'm hoping they can figure out a way to
00:31:28
Speaker
alleviate some of the issues I've had with the overall strategy of, of the human forces that seem to make no sense at all.
00:31:35
Speaker
If they can wrap up some of these other side plots that have just not been compelling, I gotta be saying, I don't really know what's going on with McKee and I don't care that I don't know.
00:31:45
Speaker
That's where I'm at with that character right now.
00:31:48
Speaker
It's just, she's on screen and then she's off screen and then I'm more interested in whatever happened before and after.
00:31:54
Speaker
And I just like there, there,
00:31:58
Speaker
Something is going on there, but I just, I can't be bothered to care about it.
00:32:02
Speaker
I think one.
00:32:05
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:32:05
Speaker
I'm horrible.
00:32:06
Speaker
You know what I want for her character?
00:32:12
Speaker
an energy sword well no i want her character to succumb to the flood if she has to stay on until season three and it's like oh even if it's episode one or two and they get like you know they get to the ring world at the end of this season but season three is really where we get you know the kickoff and
00:32:38
Speaker
boy, I would love for her to just be engulfed in a swarm of flood.
00:32:44
Speaker
I want her to be standing there and...
00:32:47
Speaker
I'm sorry, audience.
00:32:49
Speaker
You call me sick.
00:32:50
Speaker
I want John to be standing there and just watch her get obliterated.
00:32:55
Speaker
I'm one.
00:32:56
Speaker
I think you could actually make that really good TV.
00:32:59
Speaker
And maybe you could draw some major emotion out of that.
00:33:02
Speaker
But I'm just I'm done with her.
00:33:04
Speaker
Like, I'm done with her.
00:33:06
Speaker
I'm blessed.
00:33:07
Speaker
I'm tied to the frickin arbiter.
00:33:10
Speaker
Like, no, I'm done with it.
00:33:13
Speaker
You can.
00:33:14
Speaker
So much of it doesn't make sense.
00:33:17
Speaker
Right.
00:33:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:17
Speaker
It just doesn't.
00:33:19
Speaker
The mysticism again in this show is, is always a miss whenever they try to pull it out.
00:33:25
Speaker
Stick with the sci-fi less with the mysticism.
00:33:28
Speaker
It never lands.
00:33:29
Speaker
It's, it's not compelling.
00:33:31
Speaker
It doesn't make sense.
00:33:32
Speaker
They don't even follow their own rules half the time with, with how some of the stuff works.
00:33:36
Speaker
They don't even bother
Potential New Viewer Reactions to the Flood
00:33:37
Speaker
to establish rules.
00:33:37
Speaker
I think sometimes it's just like more sci-fi in your sci-fi.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:44
Speaker
Let's add more fantasy into this.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's totally just I don't care.
00:33:50
Speaker
Like, it's whatever.
00:33:52
Speaker
Yeah, I could I could get into your idea.
00:33:55
Speaker
I kind of wonder, and I was thinking about this as it became obvious that they intend to use the flood at some point.
00:34:01
Speaker
Will people who are just watching this show without a familiarity with the games that they're allegedly derived from.
00:34:10
Speaker
when the flood shows up and we kind of have this zombie story now that it's going to turn into, will, will people go, okay, what just happened?
00:34:19
Speaker
Why did this just shift into a totally different genre?
00:34:22
Speaker
Like I thought I was watching one type of show.
00:34:24
Speaker
I was thinking about that.
00:34:25
Speaker
Will people with, who don't know this, this property have that, have that feeling.
00:34:29
Speaker
And I think that'll be interesting to see how they work that in.
00:34:33
Speaker
See, I, I don't think, I don't think there'll be like, why did this change?
00:34:38
Speaker
Because, um,
00:34:40
Speaker
I feel like the way this show is, and I feel, you know, the way that this season has been perceived, um, I believe they will, they will keep the same people on, you know, um, that, that did season two because it's better rated, um, you know, in almost every single metric, they will keep the show runners on this time for season three, unless for whatever reason, the show runners don't want to be a part of it.
00:35:09
Speaker
Um,
00:35:10
Speaker
And I feel like they're going to take, you know, two, maybe three episodes max where you get a lot of exposition, maybe from Halsey and things like that, where if Quan and, you know, are still going to be in this show going forward, I feel like you're going to get an episode of them exploring things and you're going to get a lot of expositional dialogue or, you
00:35:37
Speaker
shots, murals, you know, from the forerunners of this race.
00:35:43
Speaker
So people will be like, oh, so, you know, this is why X was created.
00:35:49
Speaker
This is what this means.
00:35:50
Speaker
This is what they saw in episode seven of season two.
00:35:55
Speaker
I think they might unfortunately take too much time to actually exposition it because they've already shown that, you
00:36:03
Speaker
we're not just making this show.
00:36:05
Speaker
So it's okay.
00:36:06
Speaker
The fans, they've sometimes gone out of their way.
00:36:09
Speaker
I feel to annihilate the fans of this series to make it more encompassing.
Expectations for Next Season's Explanations
00:36:15
Speaker
So I don't think it'll be like a real, well, what the hell?
00:36:18
Speaker
Like, where is this?
00:36:19
Speaker
Why is this switching genres?
00:36:20
Speaker
Like, why is this like sort of this monster mash kind of thing?
00:36:26
Speaker
I think they're going to take too many episodes to actually explain what the hell's going on.
00:36:32
Speaker
That could happen, or I'll tell you, I'll give you the, here's a free idea to the producers.
00:36:38
Speaker
Just have 343 Guilty Spark show up, give like a couple of sentences of like bored explanation of what's going on, and just have them just be totally blasé, like, what, you didn't know that, and just move on?
00:36:51
Speaker
That's what I want.
00:36:53
Speaker
You know, good lord, I almost forgot.
00:36:57
Speaker
Like, I literally forgot up until you just mentioned that.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah, like just let him show up, say like three things just as bored as he possibly can say it in his monotone kind of like robot voice.
00:37:08
Speaker
And then just like, but you already knew that, didn't you?
00:37:11
Speaker
Like just the way that he does it and just like and then just leave it at that.
00:37:14
Speaker
And then no further explanation needed.
00:37:17
Speaker
Like, oh.
00:37:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think we haven't had a chance to kind of touch on yet.
00:37:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:24
Speaker
was very effective for me.
00:37:25
Speaker
There were two moments in this episode where Miranda refers to Halsey as mom.
Miranda and Halsey's Relationship
00:37:31
Speaker
And I thought, okay, that was, that's kind of an interesting step here.
00:37:36
Speaker
Um, I thought the first mom was, I thought the first mom was effective.
00:37:41
Speaker
I thought the second one was not necessary.
00:37:45
Speaker
Um, yeah,
00:37:47
Speaker
Because of the fact that she had called her Halsey before that as well.
00:37:53
Speaker
I thought the first one was very effective.
00:37:56
Speaker
I thought that the placement of the second one was a little off.
00:37:59
Speaker
But I did kind of go, oh, like, yeah, you know, that's actually something here.
00:38:06
Speaker
And it made me think about that relationship to a degree I hadn't thought of it when they first, like, re-meet, so to speak.
00:38:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:17
Speaker
When, when Miranda is asking Halsey about Jacob and, and just kind of how that happened, the opportunity for two people who are grieving for different reasons, but, but kind of the same reason and, and not able to get over their own issues with one another to be able to allow them to grieve together and kind of heal together because that relationship just doesn't exist.
00:38:45
Speaker
Um,
00:38:46
Speaker
if it starts to get to that point where maybe they can have that, I thought this could, this could get interesting.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:58
Speaker
I definitely think there's some interesting stuff there.
00:39:01
Speaker
And I thought Miranda did a good job of, you know, that first like, Oh, well, if anybody could,
00:39:07
Speaker
make it out and you know what it's it's him and well no I I saw it I thought that was a well acted scene like yeah like oh okay yeah I I feel for you yeah I I kind of would like to see how that continues to progress you know I don't need Quan involved like I think she's just kind of gets in the way of it and and again it's it's it's this extra again this is layer of mysticism that is not needed in this universe for me to enjoy it
00:39:35
Speaker
Yeah, again, it's mystic enough.
00:39:39
Speaker
Like, it's a goddamn... You're fighting an alien race with a giant ring that houses a planet inside of it.
00:39:51
Speaker
Like, I don't need anything else.
00:39:54
Speaker
I don't need mystic women walking across the desert who are dead leading you to something.
00:40:00
Speaker
Like, I don't need that.
00:40:02
Speaker
It's unnecessary.
00:40:05
Speaker
So, but, um, you know, I don't really have, um, I don't have anything else.
00:40:13
Speaker
Are there any final thoughts?
00:40:14
Speaker
Um, you know, that wouldn't be part of our, our, our popcorn time review section that you have.
00:40:20
Speaker
I'm good.
00:40:20
Speaker
Let's grab some popcorn.
Positive Impressions and Finale Anticipation
00:40:22
Speaker
All right.
00:40:22
Speaker
So with popcorn time, this is going to be probably one of my favorite ones to do for this show, because, you know, again, doing this, there are times when we've reviewed movies that it's like, oh, it's terrible.
00:40:40
Speaker
But and Rob knows this better than most.
00:40:42
Speaker
I live for some of that terrible stuff where I get.
00:40:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:46
Speaker
enjoyment out of it.
00:40:47
Speaker
And I'm like this.
00:40:48
Speaker
I love talking about how bad it is because either it's so self-aware that it's bad, that it's funny, or it's so unintentionally unaware that
00:41:01
Speaker
of how bad it is that that makes it funny as well.
00:41:05
Speaker
Cause it's like, wow, you, you really thought that you were like delivering Shakespeare here.
00:41:12
Speaker
Um, you know, and, and there's different varying degrees, but I never like reviewing something.
00:41:19
Speaker
And I've said that with a couple episodes between seasons one and two, I've said that with movies where I'm like, I don't like to just rag doll on something because I know there's still no matter what,
00:41:31
Speaker
a lot of hard work that goes into it.
00:41:34
Speaker
There's a lot of people that are away from their families, away from a loved one if they don't have kids or something that put a lot of effort, a lot of time.
00:41:45
Speaker
And I'm sure that can be devastating to sit there and go.
00:41:50
Speaker
And you've seen it with so many people where
00:41:53
Speaker
you know, Jake Lloyd from Star Wars and, you know, all of these people that get this backlash about their performances or about the property that they were in.
00:42:02
Speaker
And it's like, you know, Rob, you and I have said it like it's never okay to sit there and like personally attack somebody.
00:42:10
Speaker
Like I can sit here and say, I don't think this person was very good on it, but I'm not sitting there and saying, you
00:42:16
Speaker
You're a horrible human being.
00:42:18
Speaker
You should die.
00:42:19
Speaker
Like, you know, it never gets to that level.
00:42:23
Speaker
But I still don't like to rag on something when it's bad.
00:42:25
Speaker
And I also don't think it makes for a very good review because there's not too much to say.
00:42:31
Speaker
So with all that being said, I really feel like this episode was, for me, this was the even the
00:42:40
Speaker
the season for net, like this was one of the best episodes out of the two seasons.
00:42:46
Speaker
Um, believable performances, lore that I was interested in storyline threads that made me go, Oh yeah, you know what?
00:42:55
Speaker
These two have a relationship.
00:42:57
Speaker
There's something there.
00:42:59
Speaker
I'd like to see that developed in pending danger more so than boy, there's something worse than the covenant out there.
00:43:07
Speaker
Um, the anticipation of, um,
00:43:10
Speaker
the full-fledged halo ring and like you said what could we see from that an all-out battle um this really was kind of a an episode for all the senses so to speak and i haven't really been this excited about this show in general but even with its flaws there was something about this episode that i stayed attached to the television because there hasn't been one episode in season two where i haven't went
00:43:39
Speaker
oh, Jesus Christ, like, this is boring.
00:43:42
Speaker
Or like, why is this show so bad?
00:43:46
Speaker
This was not that episode.
00:43:47
Speaker
This was, all right, I'm watching.
00:43:50
Speaker
All right.
00:43:51
Speaker
Okay.
00:43:54
Speaker
There was something bad there.
00:43:56
Speaker
Didn't linger too long.
00:43:57
Speaker
You did something to make up for it.
00:43:59
Speaker
So I actually give this episode four buckets.
00:44:02
Speaker
I really enjoyed it.
00:44:04
Speaker
Gave me a lot of hope.
00:44:06
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And yeah, I just think they did.
Episode Ratings and Persistent Issues
00:44:10
Speaker
You know, usually it was for every one step forward.
00:44:13
Speaker
It was three or four steps back.
00:44:17
Speaker
I thought with this episode for any one step they took back, they took two or three steps forward with what I wanted to see.
00:44:23
Speaker
So I enjoyed it and it gets a four from me.
00:44:28
Speaker
So I think you talked me into raising mine a little bit, but not by much.
00:44:32
Speaker
And you definitely, I think, like this more than I did.
00:44:35
Speaker
I'm going with a three.
00:44:37
Speaker
There's still some things that I'm just like, God, why is this here?
00:44:41
Speaker
This doesn't make sense.
00:44:43
Speaker
This doesn't make sense.
00:44:44
Speaker
I need things to make sense.
00:44:46
Speaker
I need things to have obvious reasons why.
00:44:50
Speaker
Or at least some of the actions of the UNSC, even if it's not...
00:44:56
Speaker
It's obvious what they're doing, at least, okay, like, there's got to be a secret meaning here, why they're doing this, or why they're allowing this obviously stupid thing that they're doing to happen.
00:45:07
Speaker
And I don't think that's actually the case.
00:45:08
Speaker
I think it is just, I think it just really is as dumb as we think it is.
00:45:13
Speaker
So, so there are those things here.
00:45:15
Speaker
Um, but some of the other parts do work and are effective and I am excited for next week and I am looking forward to it.
00:45:23
Speaker
And I do think it'll be a pretty satisfying resolution.
00:45:27
Speaker
Uh, but this one for me, I just on its own is a three.
00:45:31
Speaker
All right.
00:45:32
Speaker
Well, I, I think this is the first, is this the first time that I've ever rated an episode higher than you?
00:45:39
Speaker
Uh, at least in season two.
00:45:40
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:41
Speaker
I don't remember season one, but it definitely in season two.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:45
Speaker
I'd have to go back and look in the show notes, um, for those episode recaps, but yeah, definitely for season two.
00:45:50
Speaker
But, um, yeah, this, this is the first one where I've said, Hey, uh,
00:45:57
Speaker
I liked Halo.
00:45:58
Speaker
So it was a good, it was, it was a good feeling though.
00:46:02
Speaker
It was, it was a good feeling to watch this episode and actually watch it, not sit there and feel like it was dragging and, and just do it.
00:46:10
Speaker
Cause again, I feel like sometimes it just, it doesn't lead to a lot to talk about without repeating.
00:46:17
Speaker
I just didn't like it.
00:46:18
Speaker
So,
00:46:19
Speaker
We're going to be coming up on the season finale.
00:46:22
Speaker
I look forward to that.
00:46:25
Speaker
Getting a little bit busier of a week.
00:46:26
Speaker
We are going with Ghostbusters Answer the Call.
00:46:29
Speaker
That'll be coming out this week as we move along in the series of Ghostbusters.
Excitement for Upcoming X-Men 97
00:46:35
Speaker
Also going to be diving into X-Men 97.
00:46:38
Speaker
Absolutely my favorite character.
00:46:44
Speaker
show when I was a kid, X-Men, the animated series, uh, watched it religiously, bought the VHSs, uh, rewatched it the first day I got Disney plus when that launched, um, you know, just a show that I grew up with, bought the FLIR cards, um,
00:47:05
Speaker
Just in such an iconic show and iconic theme.
00:47:10
Speaker
And Rob, you and I have talked about this, that as good as the MCU was for me personally, you know, X-Men was the thing for me.
00:47:20
Speaker
I wasn't.
00:47:21
Speaker
a Marvel guy when I was growing, I was an X-Men guy.
00:47:26
Speaker
I wasn't all Thor and Captain America and this and that I was X-Men.
00:47:31
Speaker
So, you know, when those X-Men movies came out, that's what I wanted.
00:47:36
Speaker
You know, that's, oh my God, X2 is incredible.
00:47:40
Speaker
Logan, the Wolverine, um,
00:47:43
Speaker
You know, I think X-Men First Class, Days of Future Past there to me, some of those moments in those movies are better than some of the great moments in some of the stuff that they've done in the MCU.
00:47:54
Speaker
So, you know, X-Men 97 is something that I am so, so looking forward to.
00:48:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think that you can draw a lot of the success of adaptions of comic books.
00:48:11
Speaker
You can draw a straight line to the X-Men animated series.
00:48:16
Speaker
So much of the buzz around comics was X-Men.
00:48:21
Speaker
And certainly the animated series really gave a great framework.
00:48:25
Speaker
There was the all-time classic arcade side-scrolling beat-em-up that was adapted directly from this.
00:48:33
Speaker
There's a lot that if this show didn't exist and if it wasn't the way that we remember it, if it didn't have those nostalgic feelings, you wonder how viable other comic book adaptions would have ever become.
00:48:48
Speaker
I'm not saying the MCU wouldn't have existed, but I'm wondering if it would have existed without something like this to really set the stage that you can take these popular characters that were huge
Impact of X-Men Animated Series on Comic Adaptations
00:49:01
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at the time.
00:49:01
Speaker
I mean, you're right.
00:49:02
Speaker
It was...
00:49:03
Speaker
there were the X-Men books and Spider-Man people read, but outside of Spider-Man, like Thor, nobody was reading Thor, like Namor, nobody was reading Namor back then or Silver Surfer.
00:49:14
Speaker
Like nobody, nobody gave a shit.
00:49:16
Speaker
It was X-Men.
00:49:17
Speaker
Right.
00:49:18
Speaker
And you talked about it when we were reviewing the MCU, you know, as we're wrapping up, you know, Iron Man was what?
00:49:24
Speaker
Like the number, like,
00:49:27
Speaker
all the way back in like the one, like the best selling comic before that movie was like 27th.
00:49:33
Speaker
He got beat by Buffy, the vampire slayer, right?
00:49:35
Speaker
Like a, as a comic book as a smashing success.
00:49:38
Speaker
So it was, yeah, the X-Men were, you know, the X-Men were the thing.
00:49:43
Speaker
Everybody knew that.
00:49:44
Speaker
And, you know, going back and, and watching that cartoon as an adult, there's all of these things that like one that show holds up incredibly well.
00:49:54
Speaker
Um,
00:49:55
Speaker
for the first few seasons.
00:49:56
Speaker
Now those later seasons, when they change the animation, there's, there's some definite misses.
00:50:02
Speaker
Um, but you still get some pretty good episodes in there.
00:50:05
Speaker
Um, but you go through that first and second and third season, and there's some very like, um,
00:50:12
Speaker
adult real world, you know, topics and things that you can now sit there and go, this is the message that creators were, were also sending, um, you know, with the X-Men and what it represented with society.
00:50:27
Speaker
There's, there's so much that you can pick from, or you can just choose to say, um,
00:50:32
Speaker
Well, geez, I like it.
00:50:33
Speaker
I like Wolverine's attitude.
00:50:36
Speaker
I like Xavier's hopelessness, optimistic that Magneto's going to turn himself around and humans.
00:50:44
Speaker
There's just so many good things about that show to enjoy.
00:50:47
Speaker
So, yeah, I'm really excited.
00:50:50
Speaker
I almost wish they'd take the approach of dropping everything at once, but we're only getting those first two episodes.
00:50:57
Speaker
And then weekly until...
00:51:00
Speaker
uh, all 10 episodes released.
00:51:02
Speaker
So we'll be, uh, doing that series as well.
00:51:05
Speaker
And then I got to figure out time to get out and see Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey 2, and Godzilla Kong, the new empire.
00:51:13
Speaker
Um, so a lot of stuff coming out.
00:51:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:17
Speaker
So for listeners who had kind of been noticing that some of the content was dripping, dripping, dripping when you were used to a little bit more regularity.
00:51:25
Speaker
Oh, don't worry.
00:51:26
Speaker
We got you, baby.
00:51:27
Speaker
We got you.
00:51:28
Speaker
Regularity is coming back.
00:51:31
Speaker
So even trying to convince Rob to get back into our watch parties of the Resident Evil
Resident Evil Movie Watch Party Plans
00:51:40
Speaker
movies.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
you know, so we'll see if I sometimes I, I gotta, I gotta bribe them with a six pack and pizza, but we'll see.
00:51:52
Speaker
We'll see what happens there.
00:51:54
Speaker
But listeners, thank you so much for, you know, joining us for this season two recap of halo.
00:52:02
Speaker
We have one more episode to go.
00:52:04
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I look forward to, you know,
00:52:07
Speaker
joining with Rob and bringing that to you.
00:52:10
Speaker
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00:52:16
Speaker
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00:52:26
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00:52:33
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00:52:37
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00:52:42
Speaker
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00:52:51
Speaker
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