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EPISODE 20 - Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes are not the same.
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Introduction and Super Bowl Reaction
00:00:00
Savage Boston
All right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. I'm here tonight with my friend Brett. It is February 11th at 8.40 at night, like to 2025. I like to still timestamp it, because just in case we say something stupid or have a bad take, everyone knows exactly when we when we said it. ah So we're just coming off the Super Bowl, man, which is obviously it was a huge game a couple of nights ago.
00:00:26
Savage Boston
um And honestly, like you know hearing some of the reaction in the last few days, um it's been really interesting how the public's reacted. I think kind of like if you're a Tom Brady guy, Tom Brady legacy guy, Tom Brady fan, or just Patriots fan, pretty much best case scenario for you. you know I was listening and I heard ah Jim Murray touch on it today. I touch her in Rich. Sorry, and I fell good in math. My bad.
00:00:52
Savage Boston
You know, I couldn't agree more. I mean, it was a great night between, uh, it kind of preserves that, you know, they didn't do the three Pete. Um, you know, not only that, but my homes was, was really not good. I mean, largely the entire game before garbage time, he was not good.
00:01:10
Savage Boston
They even went as far as booing Taylor Swift. I mean, it was almost like finally kind of the the magic juju that the Chiefs had all season finally just kind of wore out.
Chiefs' Performance and Mahomes' Legacy
00:01:21
Savage Boston
um So yeah, why don't you kind of give me give me your initial thoughts on on kind of the game as a whole and then we can kind of get into more Brady versus Mahomes. But how'd you feel about the game?
00:01:32
Bret
It was fucking amazing. i was I felt like for the first time in a long time that we actually won the Super Bowl even though we didn't win the Super Bowl. Just because of all the haters that were going on for so long talking about how Mahomes is the goat already and putting him up on the pedestal which we've been hearing for fucking years and I get from a standpoint like yeah he's on track to outpace Brady but like he's not fucking there yet like he's not even close to being there yet so the fact that people were putting him up on the pedestal like
00:02:07
Bret
drove me nuts that I was so happy to watch him not only lose in the Super Bowl but look like dog shit for three quarters like statistically one of the worst ah performances going and he literally just like shit the bed like some of like that pick that he threw to DeGene like that was on him right he had guys open that should have been able to make it happen how to fumble right i get the was it the bron pick i think was like well that was just a crazy catch by the linebacker but he also missed the guy that was just spying in the middle of the freaking field like he definitely
00:02:42
Savage Boston
He got pumped a little but on the play, but yeah, it was a bad play.
00:02:46
Bret
he looked shook. So that made me so happy. And on top of it, uh, it was great to watch, you know, spags who's gotten us throughout the years, like got basically run over by Philly and we're able to put up a lot of points. Uh, it was great that Andy greed had like no answers for a pretty vanilla defense that was coming at him with just four guys that they basically, uh,
00:03:11
Bret
their defense corner was a big manager or whatever from philly was like basically like my four guys are more talented than your five guys and i'm just gonna let them go after you until you can figure out how to stop them and i don't have to do anything else and that's what they did and andy reid couldn't do anything to get around it
00:03:15
Savage Boston
Yeah, I think...
00:03:29
Bret
And so I fucking love that and I think it's just one of those situations where you look at and say this never happened. In the Belicheck Brady era there was never a Super Bowl where they went in there and they got absolutely like shit stomped for three straight quarters and we're basically giving the Gatorade bath to the opposite coach with three minutes left so.
00:03:49
Bret
I was in my glory. It was the first time I felt like I won a Super Bowl when we didn't actually win a Super Bowl. But you know what? We won a Super Bowl and the next day. I was like highlight reel, highlight reel, highlight reel. It was incredible.
Eagles' Strategy and Chiefs' Roster Analysis
00:04:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, you know Holmes like he did some you know, he did some damage to his legacy here for certain if you want to like take a step back and look big picture and it's hard that's hard to hard to do because like the whole thing has been written like he could go on and win six more Super Bowls and here we are being like, yep, you know crazy career and no one remembers this game, right? But in the meantime now, you know, he's he's now three and two in Super Bowls and Um, just like Brady was three and two and he's made a lot of Super Bowls in a short amount of time. Uh, but you know, he also, you know, he got, he got wrecked in this. I mean, like he really looked terrible and I don't know if people long-term in 10 years truly will look back at this. Maybe what if this is his last Super Bowl he gets to? I mean, we didn't, you didn't think, you don't know, like you didn't think Aaron Rodgers would magically never get back to a Super Bowl after winning one.
00:04:52
Savage Boston
And that happened. He never got back. And everyone's like, oh, Rogers is the goat. He's going to be the goat. Like I remember all that. And I was like, you you guys, you got to win more than just one time. So I think what Mahomes has done is special. Like he's had a great run. He's obviously a great player, but like he, keyt he couldn't bring this team, whether it was just him, whether it was coaching, I think their game plan was, was way off.
00:05:18
Savage Boston
You know, you got to give a ton of credit, obviously, to Vic Fangio, who basically probably seems like he just went back and watched the 2007-2008 Patriots vs Giants Super Bowl and said, okay, let's just do what the Giants did. Which is, we have a supremely talented defensive line, right? You can, between, you know, Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat and Jalen Carter and and and the other Georgia dude, like, and that other Milton, DTAC, like they have this loaded front.
00:05:47
Savage Boston
And when you can generate pressure with four, and the Holmes has this tendency to hold the ball, he looked he looked silly. The whole game is one of the worst games I've ever seen him play. So it's it obviously gives his legacy a massive hit. It's not the end for him, it's not the end of the career, but but the legacy takes a hit.
00:06:09
Bret
Well, yeah, and I think everyone's questioning it now and they should have been because he also played like dog shit against the box, right? I mean, they didn't even score a touchdown work in that game. So it's one of those areas where it's people are quick to forget because I get he's on pace to like out.
00:06:19
Savage Boston
have.
00:06:27
Bret
produced Brady, who is arguably, it was the GOAT, right? I mean, he's on pace to outdo him, but that window gets a little bit tighter. Each year he has a ship run like this. And like you look at Kansas City's team and their roster, I mean, they've had a shoehorn up their ass like all year. They won 11 games by like single like digit points, ah which is unheard of in the NFL. And they basically got exposed. They finally reent ran into a talented team that looked at it and basically said, you're not that good. And then they were able to like, get magical wins throughout the entire year. ah But essentially, they were not the better team and they have never been the better team. So it's, I thought Buffalo should have beaten them in the AFC championship.
00:07:17
Bret
Because I think Buffalo is a better team than them, even though Buffalo has some flaws, right? yeah ah So I get Mahomes is Mahomes and he's going to find ways to win. But the reality is is that team is voided ah talent. And I think And what the good thing that you can look at is you can look at how the Chiefs are taking their approach with like their roster build and how Philly did with theirs, right? And I think the Chiefs are kind of stealing the same mantra that we took with Brady for a little while where Brady just kind of covered all wounds and they just let the rest of the talent around the offensive side of the football go by the wayside and stop paying those guys. And now they're starting to get exposed from that. But then you look at like Philly and you're like,
00:08:03
Bret
No, they're they're investing in so much areas of their team. Two Super Bowls in seven years, they've had three appearances in seven years, and like they're clearly building from the trenches. O-line, D-line, and I think that's the formula the Patriots take.
00:08:19
Savage Boston
I mean, when does the Chiefs run end? Because with the Patriots, obviously, they kind of had like two two dynasties at the beginning and the end. They had to retool, reload.
00:08:32
Savage Boston
And it's pretty unbelievable, really, looking back, that they were able to have a second dynastic run and make four out of five Super Bowls. like that's That's insane what they did.
00:08:38
Bret
Oh, that's that's
Chiefs' Future and AFC Competition
00:08:41
Bret
unheard of, you know?
00:08:41
Savage Boston
The second, the back half, they had a 20 year, basically like ah an 18 year from 01 to 2018 2019 dynasty where they had the front half and a back half of three trading in the middle they they could have won a couple more but obviously the the games didn't go how they're supposed to go but like so you start to think okay with my homes you know he's almost 30 He's kind of a running scamper dynamic quarterback, but he's not in the greatest condition either. So it's like, does he get hurt at some point or does he lose lose a step? you know like So I kind of wonder, like when does the dynasty end? Because they've got to pay a lot of people.
00:09:17
Savage Boston
This is what happens when you win a lot. You've got to pay a lot. And their receivers aren't that great. Their line was getting hurt. And they don't have a ton of as much talent as the line. Their guard, Trey Smith, is going to leave.
00:09:27
Bret
Is.
00:09:28
Savage Boston
like You just wonder, like how do they how do they pivot now? It'll be interesting to see the wink. When does Reid retire? you know all these All these questions.
00:09:37
Bret
No, I agree. And you know, if you look at both Reed and Mahomes, you're like, they're both like, Reed's obviously not in great looking health. And I don't think Mahomes has that same drive that Brady has. And yeah that's the thing that drove me so crazy is how quickly people want to annoy anoint um Mahomes as being like the the goat and the second coming. And it's like,
00:10:03
Savage Boston
yeah That was weird.
00:10:03
Bret
Dude, Brady did it for two decades. like And the thing is, is like in the middle of that run, like his 07 year was fucking stupid. So it's one of those situations where you go to yourself, like not only did he win all those Super Bowls, but he had like historically off-the-chart numbers. And like you look at his performances in the Super Bowls like off-the-chart numbers. You talk about like Like everyone was sitting there like, oh, well, maybe this is the, you know, Mahomes will have that 28 to three comeback that he had against Atlanta. Like you compare the numbers that Brady had in the first half in the Atlanta game versus the numbers that Mahomes had in the first half of this game against Philly. They're like night and day, like night and day. And that's where I just look at it and say to myself, like, yeah, I get it. Mahomes is as a great quarterback.
00:10:53
Bret
But I have a really hard time putting him into that realm of things, especially when you have teams like Buffalo and like Baltimore with quarterbacks that are biting at the bit and coming up. And then who the hell knows what happens with Sensei? I still think borrow is a great quarterback. He just, I think he needs a good coach and we'll see how those build up.
00:11:12
Bret
but like the AFC is very freaking hard and the Chiefs have a lot of holes and they really haven't invested too much in their offensive line and they got exposed and they and they don't have talents around it.
00:11:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:11:22
Savage Boston
And Mahomes is going to have to restructure. So I guess his salary cap ah cap hit goes up to $66 million next year. And it was like $26 million or $25 million. So like they're going to lose some cap. you know like And you get a lot of guys like Kelsey's got a $19 million dollars bonus.
00:11:40
Savage Boston
and they have a hard discussion coming up where like, in my opinion, like you should cut, and I don't know if they'll do this, but like this is what Bellcheck would have done, but you should cut Travis Kelsey.
00:11:49
Bret
All they should.
00:11:49
Savage Boston
And, you know, because again, like he's he's not gonna offer you much anymore. They won't, cause he's a face of this and that, whatever. We don't have to get into it, but like, they i don't I think he might retire.
00:11:59
Savage Boston
Like they don't want to pay him that. Really quickly, I have ah an awesome stat here. This is from ah Tom Brady facts on Twitter, TB underscore facts. who's got some really great stuff and um he put together his Mahomes first five Super Bowls and then he grouped in two different areas Brady's first five Super Bowls and Brady's second five Super
Brady vs. Mahomes: The GOAT Debate
00:12:20
Savage Boston
Bowls. So if you want to compare Brady's second five Super Bowls right to Mahomes first five because those took place in relatively the same era. Brady's first five still his numbers are good but that was a more of a defensive era. The second era
00:12:35
Savage Boston
you know Brady had Mahomes at 265 pass yards a game in the Super Bowl. Brady had 350. Mahomes has 10 TDs and seven picks. Mind you, a couple of those were in garbage time too. Brady had 12 TDs and four picks. Brady's sack percentage was 1.8. Mahomes is 3.6. Sorry, that was an interception percentage. Sack percentage for Mahomes, 7.5. Brady, 3.9.
00:13:01
Savage Boston
Or how about expected points average? Total EPA for Mahomes in these five Super Bowls is only 7.4, which reflects that he got slaughtered a couple of times. Brady's total EPA in those his later five Super Bowls? 65. So like you can't compare the actual on-field performance really because Mahomes getting smoked like you're gonna compare these numbers later and be like well Brady was obviously a much better Super Bowl performer there's like a lot of things going for Brady in the the legacy argument Brady beat him head-to-head obviously a couple times in the playoffs and obviously the Super Bowl um you know Brady went to a different team and a different coach and brought that team to the Super Bowl right to beat Mahomes and
00:13:46
Savage Boston
So there's just so much more, there's so much impressive what Tom Brady did that why, why I was mad about the the stupid ESPN people, you know, or even like Steven A. Smith, who I like, you know, saying like Moms is the goat. If he wins, well, you know, you didn't win. He got smoked and now we're back to like, all right, well, what does he have to do now? Does he have to win eight Superbowls to pass Tom? You know, like, what does he have to do?
00:14:12
Bret
Yeah, and that's, so I think like I said, it he his legacy out of anyone else in the entire Super Bowl got hit the most, right?
00:14:23
Bret
I still think Andy Reid's like, yeah, I think people, I don't think people truly thought of him in terms of like Belichick status, but like I do think people thought like he was right in the second tier right below him and kind of nipping at the heels, but like,
00:14:23
Savage Boston
Really?
00:14:41
Bret
I think it's one of those situations where when you look at it, like this one's going to sting him the most and he's going to sit on this the most and we'll see how he responds, right?
00:14:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:14:51
Bret
And this is the this is the question where I wonder about a guy like Mahomes and like where's his fight, where's his like comeback and like where's his commitment towards it long-term and is if he's going to be able to do it because We seen guys like this over the years that just like have it and then they fade off and then like they don't produce anything and you're like, well, you know, there's that right.
00:15:10
Savage Boston
The properties
00:15:14
Bret
And that's why I say do it for two decades.
00:15:15
Savage Boston
by far the best example of that. roger rogers Rogers is by far the best example of that.
00:15:18
Bret
What's that?
00:15:22
Savage Boston
Like Rogers, because he had crazy numbers and people literally were trying to be like, well, he's the goat, right? Because everyone wants to just crown the new goat, right? And have it be their guy or not Brady, right?
00:15:33
Savage Boston
But like Rogers had amazing stats, crazy numbers, four MVPs. He never made it back to the Super Bowl, ever. He won it like 2010, I believe, and never got back.
00:15:41
Bret
Yeah.
00:15:48
Savage Boston
And all of a sudden people don't talk about his legacy because he just went off the deep end and he's a weird guy and has weird relationships with people, right? And so everyone fell off that like, okay, well, we need the next one. It's Mahomes. And Mahomes has been fantastic. The Chiefs team, this has been a pretty good Chiefs team and a great defense. bave This is like their, you know,
00:16:09
Savage Boston
they've They've come into their their own as ah as a great defensive team with a good QB. They try to build it that way until they ran into this Eagles team who you know kind of pivoting to the Patriots. right Like ah you said, like how did this Eagles team build build their roster? And like what advice or what what could you learn from this Eagles team? And I think everyone every team knows this deep down but doesn't want to commit the money. But you've got to pay and you've got to have good lines.
00:16:39
Savage Boston
Offensive lineman, defensive lineman, you have to win. It's still football, and if you don't have good lineman, it's hard to win football games. And you know you hope, if they make a massive investment this offseason, especially into the offensive line, and you can protect Drake May, and even if he's throwing to guys that aren't amazing, I think you're a much better football team with but paying for some serious talent at the offensive line.
00:17:07
Bret
Oh yeah, no, I i agree. Uh, we've been talking about this. We talked about it this past off season about getting a left tackle and they didn't do it.
00:17:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:16
Bret
Um, you know, and we basically were talking about getting some of those guys, uh, you know, going into the 2024 season. And we'll talk about it again. So yeah, I get they're not sexy picks, but they're what win championships. So I think they got to keep trying to invest in that offensive line. ah So I'm hoping they do two picks minimum this draft to be able to get it.
Patriots' Draft and Roster Strategies
00:17:41
Bret
I'm like, we'll see what happens with slot and where they go.
00:17:45
Bret
I would love it if Carter would fall. If Carter doesn't fall, like I'm kind of shifting towards looking at Graham. I think there's some real potential there to be able to go.
00:17:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:56
Bret
So I would take a hard look at him or I would potentially like move back a couple of spots and like try to get either Banks or Campbell. But I would be totally on board with them going like D line, O line for like the first in four rounds.
00:18:11
Bret
like I would be so for it.
00:18:12
Savage Boston
yeah
00:18:13
Bret
And then I think when it comes to free agency, like you just got to like plug in some spots. I think it would be great if they would try to go out for that one wide receiver and see what happens with like a guy like T Higgins, but ah who they should 100% be on.
00:18:29
Bret
But like after that, like they could use the salary to kind of solidify some other places like linebacker play. ah you know, getting another like tight end or like a journeyman lineman in there to kind of fill off the roster there.
00:18:43
Bret
So like there's room there with a free agency to make some moves. But I think it was great to hear Rabel say it.
00:18:49
Savage Boston
Mm hmm.
00:18:50
Bret
I mentioned that at the time. It's about the O-line. It's about winning in the trenches. And I would be all on board if they're like, yeah, we're just going to go big on offensive and defensive line picks this year.
00:19:02
Savage Boston
I think there's no question they're going to be they're going to be seriously loading up and there's no question. I think a guy that, you know, nothing's really like leaked out a ton yet about who they actually like specifically want to target, which those will be that'll be cool when we have like a little more specifics on it. But a couple of guys that everyone talks about that we've talked about, right? like um you know Obviously we talk about T Higgins, right? There's been a few reports in the past that they really like T Higgins. Yes, Mike Frable doesn't like the whole soft tissue injury, blah, blah, blah. But the reports have come out, they like Higgins. I think they're gonna throw a ton of money at Higgins. Maybe up to 35 million a year, they're probably gonna overpay for Higgins. It is what it is. You gotta to do it. I think you gotta do it. I think you gotta take that risk and try to sign the true number one guy um and legitimize your your operation.
00:19:52
Savage Boston
Guy I love played in the Super Bowl that I think is a great, just gets, he generates s sacks, he generates pressures, he's he's good against the run, good against the pass. I think Josh Sweat, who just had a fantastic Super Bowl, he's a free agent and was going to be on the open market. Like he's a guy I would target. Um, and then obviously you got like, again, Trey Smith, the guard, like Ronnie Stanley, Allard Jackson, you have a few other bigger names. You're not going to be able to sign every free agent, obviously, but I think,
00:20:20
Savage Boston
If you if you give a bag to T Higgins, can you convince him like, hey, we got we got something grown over here. Like, do you want to be part of this? You know, yeah, you had it with Burrow and you guys never broke through all the way.
00:20:33
Savage Boston
But like, you know, if you want to come build something and be be our number one and be loved in this region and he might you might buy in.
00:20:39
Bret
Yeah. And the thing is, is so the way I look at it, this pass off season, we were going big for Calvin Ridley. We essentially offered him like comparable money and he chose to go elsewhere. But I think at the time he looked at it, it was like, who's your fucking quarterback? And wait, who's your head coach, right? And I think now having Drake May,
00:21:05
Bret
And I think having Mike Rabel is a factor. Like, no, it's not like, hey, I'm going to go play for Josh Allen and content and, you know, Patrick Mahomes and content for Super Bowls.
00:21:16
Bret
Like I get that, but those guys aren't going to pay you $35 million dollars a year.
00:21:20
Savage Boston
no
00:21:21
Bret
Uh, whereas here it's like. Dude, you're 25, right? You can make top dollar. You are the number one. There's no question. You're not playing behind you. You're the number one guy. You got a great up and coming rookie QB. And you got a, you know, well respected head coach that brings in Josh McDaniels, who has a track record of being able to get guys to produce. Like, I think it's miles better this year, when then we we were last year, when we were trying to pay for free agents to come over here, I get dollars talk, and we're not a Super Bowl contender yet. But like, we are not like dumpster fire looking roster and coach that they're like, Yeah, I'm not gonna go there to end my career, like, you know, going to Carolina, you know,
00:22:10
Savage Boston
And think looking back on it, I mean, how good of a decision was it to fire Mayo? I mean, I know that you put him in a bad spot, but my God, the organization looks so much better.
00:22:21
Savage Boston
I mean, just, it's like miles better.
00:22:22
Bret
it It was a joke that he was hired to begin with. right
00:22:28
Savage Boston
He wasn't qualified and obviously it didn't come, like to have Vrabel and McDaniels, like it just legitimizes the whole operation. So I'm excited about that. Another another um guy we haven't touched on yet on here, because the news kind of broke. He's a trade candidate amongst a couple. There's there's two guys, like Cooper Cupp and Devo Samuel. And I think like if you could somehow give up a ah late draft pick and have Cooper Cupp restructure his deal, I'd love to bring Cooper Cupp in.
00:22:59
Savage Boston
I'd love to bring him in with Josh McDaniel system to play like the slot and like help almost like teach guys be like half a coach. Like that would be fantastic. So I don't know.
00:23:09
Bret
Yeah, he's he'd be that veteran guy that you would bring in. And, you know, the good news is, like, you'd pretty much getting him for the bottom dollar.
00:23:13
Savage Boston
great You got to structure his deal though, because he he makes money.
00:23:18
Bret
But like, that's it. Yeah, it's the cap, you know, and so that's one of those ones where, you know, I wonder, We just, we have so many holes. Like I, so that's my concern with a guy like cup, but I like the guy like cup in theory, just from the standpoint, like he's, he's a professional good locker room guy. Uh, like he's, that room needs it, right? You know, you look at our wide receiver Roman who we had this past year versus like,
00:23:48
Bret
You know, they just don't have that leadership. I think the walker room by and large has been missing that leadership where what's going to be great as a guy like Vrable, like there's no question he's the head honcho, but you still need players in the, in the rooms that are going to help hold people accountable and teach them how to be professional.
00:24:06
Bret
And so like, I like a guy like cup in theory, I just don't like cup just because of the cap and the injury. And like, I just don't know.
00:24:14
Savage Boston
So you're not a huge fan of the deal.
00:24:16
Bret
ah yeah I just don't I just don't think it would work. I just don't I like I don't
00:24:21
Savage Boston
I don't know if you'd again wanna come here to mentor versus like, but again, he wouldn't necessarily have, he would have a little bit of a say, right? Like you could say, hey, the Patriots are offering a trade, would you wanna go there and restructure? And he could be like, I'm not changing my deal, right? And then they'd be like, well, they're not gonna do the trade, right? There is some relative way that you can you can manipulate the deal so that he has some control. Cause then he could have like the chiefs might say, hey, the chiefs want you,
00:24:50
Savage Boston
uh but they're giving us less you know blah blah like i don't know like there's a way for them to i don't think the rams are gonna screw over cop and just send him somewhere you know yeah
00:24:58
Bret
No, and then yeah, that's what I was gonna get I think ah from all reports la is gonna trying to do good by cup But they are like trying to get them out. So I just, I don't see it happening, but like if we could get him, my ah my biggest concern is is like his salary and how that implicates every other position on the roster and where we'd go.
00:25:24
Bret
Whereas like, I don't know, like a guy like Deebo, I look at him like, yeah I think he's one of those guys where there's a lot of miles on him, but I think he's got more miles left than Cup does.
00:25:35
Bret
um So I'd be,
00:25:36
Savage Boston
I don't know. I don't know.
00:25:39
Bret
Yeah, so I don't know like he's another guy like I'm, I'm questioning on I be curious on like obviously their medicals and some of those things because that always comes into question with these guys too.
00:25:50
Bret
um So, I don't know. And I also think like it's still kind of early where there could be some so there could be some other guys that are shaped from the tree. you know Another guy we floated out before was like decaf DK Metcalf.
00:26:03
Bret
you know And like what happens if all of a sudden Seattle does that?
00:26:03
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah.
00:26:06
Bret
like I'd be more on him than the other three.
00:26:09
Savage Boston
I think he would easily get dealt, to be honest. I heard the clip that he doesn't want to live in Massachusetts, whatever. I don't give a shit. I just like, if you trade for him, if you're going to trade for him, then you try to restructure. Like, money money talks. Because i think I don't think Seattle wants to pay him. I mean, they have Jackson, Smith, Najigba. They have, I forget who are they also have, Lockett is still there. But like, I don't think they want to pay DK.
00:26:35
Bret
No, they don't.
00:26:35
Savage Boston
ah
00:26:35
Bret
And the thing is is NFL is not like the NBA. So like these superstars really don't get a chance to dictate. I know we just talked about cup and LA is trying to do good by him, but they'll do good by him to a point.
00:26:46
Bret
You know, it's not like the and NBA where these guys pretty much just say like, this is where I'm going. If not, go F yourself. Like that doesn't happen.
00:26:55
Savage Boston
Yeah, no. So I mean, there are, there's there's absolutely, there's gonna be a ton of options. It's gonna be kind of fun. You know, I'm free to see starts March 12th. There'll be a lot of guys and a lot of trades, you know, that you can, you can really work with.
00:27:09
Savage Boston
I think Elliott Wolf is gonna have to really, you somehow trusting him and, and Vrable's new guy that I forget his name off the top of my head, Vrable Prabhu.
00:27:17
Bret
So you're talking about Ryan, whatever, the guy from Giants?
00:27:20
Savage Boston
Cowden, yeah, yeah, yeah, Cowden. So yeah, Vrabel brought his own guy and Vrabel himself, and we're going to sit them three and apparently have what they're claiming is a collaborative effort.
00:27:31
Savage Boston
But to be honest, we know this, if if they get to the draft room and Ellie Wolf's like, I think we should take 10. And Vrabel's like, I want Mason Graham. They're taking Mason Graham.
00:27:40
Bret
Yep.
00:27:40
Savage Boston
You know, like that's what's going to happen. I think as we follow the draft process and like people's top 100 boards, what's becoming more and more consistent is that Quarterbacks aren't even in the top 10 best players. I mean like Campbell and Shader they might get taken in the top four But they're not really top four players and I think NFL franchises know this So unless there's true desperation like in my opinion against my opinion Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter will probably both be gone by the fourth overall pick And then you have your option where you can either just stick and pick Will Campbell and say, screw it. I just, I want Will Campbell. Or, you know, you take the best available, which is probably Mason Graham, who I really like. And I think would be so disruptive with far more. Like I think that would be, again, you would just watch the Eagles and like, how could you, how could you think bad about a ah really high level D tackle pick?
00:28:33
Bret
Yeah. And the other thing is, is like, I get it from like a blue chip left tackle. Like those aren't going to come late second. Like you're not going to get those in the second round historically, but it also like banks and Campbell are being like the two guys pretty much on the highest on the board for left tackles.
00:28:44
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:53
Bret
And a lot of people wouldn't say they're blue chip, like Joe, all level guys. Right. So if the guy's not there, like.
00:28:59
Savage Boston
yeah
00:29:02
Bret
I'm okay with drafting best player available. Like I said, I think from a selfish standpoint, it would be great if we could find a way to like, have our, you know, cake and eat it too.
00:29:13
Bret
From the standpoint, we could trade down and still get it and add more draft picks, but I i think it's risky.
00:29:17
Savage Boston
yeah You could trade it out too far.
00:29:19
Bret
So if we can pull it off, great. But
00:29:23
Savage Boston
Like you could go from like four to six. like I think the Raiders would be kind of, I would be that team to trade out. That's just my opinion. Again, I think the Raiders or maybe even the Jets, but I think the Raiders would trade up for like shooter.
00:29:34
Savage Boston
Maybe they, if shooter is available at four, the Raiders say, we want to take that risk.
00:29:37
Bret
Yeah.
00:29:38
Savage Boston
We'll give you an extra second round pick. Can we jump up?
00:29:41
Bret
Which would be huge.
00:29:41
Savage Boston
and I'd be like, no doubt.
00:29:42
Bret
You you drop back two spots and you go.
00:29:43
Savage Boston
Come on up. And then you take Will Campbell at six, you know, and then you get an extra pick. Like that's something I would do. um Or I do like the idea of trading back up and into the first round. It's kind of a good, deep tackle class on the offensive and defensive line. It's lacking in some wide receiver talent. I actually really like both Matthew Golden and ah what's the Ohio State Agbuca.
00:30:11
Savage Boston
I like both those guys in like the 20s. I think they're both talented writer series So there I like both the tight ends to Tyler Warren and Loveland I think are really good like they think there's some good there's some good players in the class, but it's just not like It's just not top-heavy like there's a really solid middle that people are gonna have to hit You gotta you gotta to hit it. You gotta look back in time and say ah f. Yeah, like we hit this draft You know, I mean like like you can't mess this one up
00:30:40
Bret
no No, no.
00:30:40
Savage Boston
You can't afford to mess it up.
00:30:42
Bret
And and honestly, like this is Elliot Wolf's job. right like if he you know If he wants to save his job, this is it.
00:30:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:49
Bret
And the other thing that you know is worth noting is just the fact that like he did have to rebuild that whole scouting system when Belichick left, and he didn't really have a chance to showcase that.
00:30:58
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:02
Bret
going into this past draft because they hadn't had a full year. Now, this is the first full year, right?
00:31:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:07
Bret
So we'll see what happens, see how that goes through. Hopefully, like, you know, he's got the right analytics guys, scout guys that are given the right like information and then You know, for able and Ryan can look at it and say, yep, that that's a football player that's going to help us win, win games.
00:31:23
Bret
So let's get them and see what happens.
00:31:24
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:25
Bret
But, you know, I'm excited that we, uh, have free agency coming up so we can finally get some movement and then get going with the draft. But looking at the results of the Superbowl, I think it tells us you got to build in the trenches.
00:31:36
Bret
So let's do it.
00:31:37
Savage Boston
Sounds good, man. All right. Well, good stuff. Thanks for tuning in, guys. We'll try to be back next week. Thanks for listening. in Peace.
00:31:45
Bret
Peace.