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EPISODE 26 - Stefon Diggs is a Patriot!! we are back!
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Stefon Diggs signs with the Patriots.
Twitter QnA at the end.
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Introduction and Diggs' Signing
00:00:00
Savage Boston
Hey, what's up, guys? Welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here on March 25th, 2025, 830 at night on the dot. And the Patriots just signed Stephon Diggs.
00:00:12
Savage Boston
Couldn't have asked for a better timing to record a podcast on Tuesday night than probably exactly about one hour after assigned Stefan Diggs to a three-year up to $69 million dollars deal with $26 million guaranteed.
00:00:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:00:26
Savage Boston
i Don't know how solid of a contract is that, how many incentives, you know is that really a two-year deal? you know what i mean like who Who's got the control of that? But I'm happy that...
00:00:38
Savage Boston
Elliott Wolfe, Vrabel, they basically just put it on the table and said to Diggs, like, hey, man, you're not going to get anywhere close to this money anywhere. We're going to blow you out of the water and give you $26 million guaranteed.
00:00:51
Savage Boston
And they were able to lock him up. So huge, huge boost, just
Impact on Team and Young Players
00:00:55
Savage Boston
like morale boost. I get all the negatives you can talk about, ACL, his age, whatever. Don't give a shit. Don't give a shit. That's a legitimate name, still a legitimate player who was playing at a really high level last year before he got hurt.
00:01:08
Savage Boston
um So just excited they're really getting a bona fide name. And this can kind of start the train, man. Like this is how it goes. You got to get get guys in the door and then you kind of you you move.
00:01:19
Savage Boston
You start to move. You get little sign more guys, bring in more players. So I'm really excited about the signing.
00:01:23
Bret
you
00:01:25
Savage Boston
So and it just happened. So really fresh. So Snoody, you want to lead it off and tell me how do you feel about the dig signing?
00:01:31
Snooty
mean I mean, think there's layers to this. I think, like you said, i think his reputation, his name and his reputation in the league is as much a benefit as anything, because maybe you can watch off some of that stench of, you know, it not being a place where people want to go, i.e. DK Metcalf and such, um especially if he has success here, right? That, that legitimizes May. It legitimizes Vrabel to a certain extent. it it legitimizes Wolf if he sticks around like, know,
00:01:58
Snooty
It's all there, right? It's all in front of you if he does well. Another sneaky side of it is he torched Gonzalez last year, and Gonzalez didn't get torched by many people. So, you know, getting to see the guy every day in practice is...
00:02:13
Snooty
can only serve to benefit that as well. But it's a legitimate wide receiver option, provided he's healthy. um It's a three-year deal, so without, it seems like, you know, based upon the original, you know, reported guarantees versus total total value. So, look, if he shows up, he's healthy, and he contributes, you know, yeah. I mean, you can immediately fast, like, um expedite the the growth and maturity of Drake May, which is ultimately,
Contract and Draft Implications
00:02:40
Snooty
you know,
00:02:41
Snooty
what you really want. Right. So, I mean, there's some downside to this, but it's some, most of it's money and who cares? You get too much money to spend anyway. So, um, and from every report is he's a people like playing with them.
00:02:50
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:02:54
Snooty
People like him in the locker room. I think a lot of that is overblown. Um, cause a lot of it were antics to get out of places or stick to get a deal or whatever. i mean, I don't think he likes Josh Allen, but you know, that aside, um,
00:03:08
Snooty
I think there's there's really no, there's very little downside to this deal. So I'm i'm pumped.
00:03:13
Savage Boston
he's a professional. You know, like this dude's a professional wide receiver who's played at an extremely high level for a very long time. And he's like, yeah, he had some attitude stuff when, you know, back and when he's a little younger. And again, with Josh trying to be like, I'm the man.
00:03:28
Savage Boston
You know, I'm sure there's stuff that went on behind the scenes there. Like who was the alpha kind of stuff. That's not what's happening here. I mean, you got the older vet craftsman at his position coming in to help out the younger quarterback. I mean, Drake dr May is a learner.
00:03:41
Snooty
look but no
00:03:41
Savage Boston
but but you know, he'll study the game. He'll, he's gonna, he's gonna learn how to work with digs for certain.
00:03:46
Snooty
For sure.
00:03:46
Savage Boston
And digs is on track to be ready week one, which is amazing. Uh, and I love that. love how, how he's like, he's really tracking well with his ACL recovery. So, um, super pumped about it. I know Brett, I think had ah a slight different take. He wasn't a fan of the digs idea, but here we are, Brett. So how do you feel about digs now?
PR and Team Culture Shift
00:04:06
Bret
Well, and I love the ah real-time PR live spin right there about how he's a wily vet that's going to help develop the young quarterback rather than a diva wide receiver like we've known him to be in other locations.
00:04:14
Savage Boston
top Yeah, he is.
00:04:20
Savage Boston
He's a crafty veteran.
00:04:22
Bret
Yeah, yeah. it's It's amazing how the adjectives can just pivot real quickly on this guy.
00:04:23
Savage Boston
He's a wizard.
00:04:27
Bret
But no, i I mean, really digesting this real time, because I don't want to say the signing came out of left field, because clearly he was ah you know still a free agent out there. There were some signs about who he was following that people were kind of reading the tea leaves on.
00:04:42
Bret
But essentially, the guy came here, did his medicals, had all the visit, and then it was like almost a week later before we actually signed the guy, which is kind of crazy. But that being said, yeah, I'll be interested to see the full parameters. I will say three years at 69 mil is a high number.
00:05:02
Bret
But to Snooty's point, I mean, it's not my money. i i generally agree that... you You should, and um it's good to overpay in the positioning we're at because long-term, we have to build through the draft, but in the short-term, you have a fuck ton of money to spend,
Draft Strategies and Team Needs
00:05:19
Bret
and error it really doesn't necessarily hurt your team bringing on a guy like Diggs.
00:05:19
Snooty
yes
00:05:24
Bret
So my view on Diggs going in towards it was if you could get him at that, like, one year two year opt-out and you were probably like 15 16 per i was a little more comfortable i think for me it ultimately comes on like what's the opt-outs and how does that look because i don't want to see us locked up three years down the road on something stupid but that being said yeah digs would not have been my first choice uh i let that be known
00:05:37
Snooty
yeah
00:05:53
Bret
um I'm okay taking a shot here because essentially I felt like you had to take a shot. Like we needed to do something, right? We couldn't roll into this offseason just thinking we were going to, ah you know, get another wide receiver in the draft, ah whether it's, you know Hunter at the top or getting someone later in the draft.
00:06:11
Bret
And think that the draft and the wide receiver room was going to be that much better for May.
00:06:14
Snooty
All right.
00:06:16
Bret
And really you got to put tools around May and slot guys in positions they need to be. Because essentially you have a roster full of threes and fours on the wide receiver room. So, On that end, i do think it's good to have a guy that has an upside you know if he can produce and be healthy coming back.
00:06:34
Bret
But I'm not going to be total PR spin and i just kind of say you know the actions and antics that he did to get himself out of Buffalo and you know what had happened towards the end of Minnesota. like i'm I'm not just going to say, oh, that was a young immature guy and he's much more mature and ready to go.
00:06:52
Bret
I'm not going to jump to that conclusion, but and it's still better than what we have. And I think it's worth the risk. And I'm more confident in a guy like Vrabel to reel a guy like that in than say Mayo.
00:07:03
Savage Boston
But I think they all say that he was he was a good dude last year. he performed really well. Everybody loved him. So obviously, like, people can grow and they can, you know, they can become more mature. Maybe he's just at the position of his career.
00:07:17
Savage Boston
And also, like, he's the top dog, man. Like, when he gets in here, he is, like, far and away top dog at wide receiver. I mean, it's not even – there's nobody close to him.
00:07:24
Bret
No one.
00:07:26
Savage Boston
um His career, anything. To be honest, there's nobody close to him on the entire offense. mean, really, like who in the offense is even close to his career?
00:07:37
Bret
no one
00:07:37
Savage Boston
Nobody. I mean, there's nobody.
00:07:38
Snooty
I mean, i was going to say, it's probably Morgan Moses, but in no way, shape, or form am I saying that he's and anywhere near as accomplished as.
00:07:39
Savage Boston
Maybe Morgan Moses or right tackle.
00:07:47
Savage Boston
but that's But that's a great point, though, is nobody is at his level. He's the best player, best career on that offense by a long shot. So he will have a lot of good experience.
00:07:56
Bret
you
00:07:58
Savage Boston
I want him to come in and be the top dog. He's got to control that that fucking receiver room. Like last year was hard, and not just from a talent perspective. i mean, some of the dumbest postgame commentary, and that that that room was awful last year. Their attitude, it was it was crazy. So I'm super stoked about it and this also, I've been saying this for a while.
00:08:18
Savage Boston
yeah You had to do two things before you enter the draft, right? And was saying number one is you have to sign a wide receiver. Number two is you need a stopgap left tackle. Well, I'm happy they've done one out of two.
00:08:30
Savage Boston
I don't know where Tyron Smith is. Is he out in the ether somewhere? I really hope they they lock him up. They still need a stopgap left tackle, but really stoked about Diggs.
Rookie Development and Team Building
00:08:40
Savage Boston
And again, like he is you know by far the the biggest figure, other than really Drake May, on the offense.
00:08:44
Snooty
Thank you.
00:08:49
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, they still need help, but obviously at left tackle, that's an understatement. And, you know, again, this doesn't fix everything. It doesn't even really fix it long-term, maybe a year or two, but and I mean, everything has to go really well for it to work out for three years. But but again, you suck right now, so you have to you have to start somewhere, right? like it's You have more talent on offense right now than you did last year with Diggs and Moses alone.
00:09:15
Snooty
And I understand, I mean, week one would be aggressive for Diggs. Maybe he ramps up by the end of September type of thing, and he's he's truly back by then, but it doesn't matter. That's still more than what you had last year.
00:09:27
Snooty
And you had a big pile of dog shit last year, right? And Demario Douglas.
00:09:31
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:33
Snooty
So, you know, and it's better. You have more talent. That's good. That period, point blank, understand, and their statement, you have more talent than you did before.
00:09:39
Bret
Well, I think another perspective to add here is, i mean, a lot of us are kind of looking at how things are shaping up with the draft, and I know we'll get into that soon about, you know, who's going to fall to four, right? And it does look like there's odds are in favor for Hunter, which would be amazing.
00:09:58
Bret
But let's just say hypothetically it is Hunter, right? If you had Hunter coming into this draft, wide receiver room and you didn't have digs and you basically just have who you have think about how much coverage is going to be on hunter like he's going to be basically bracketed like every freaking game and he's never going to be able to grow never going to be able to develop in the system like i think this gives him coming in in a rookie year on the side of the ah side of the ball that he's got the least amount of development and to get a little bit of a cushion.
00:10:29
Bret
So from that perspective, I think there's some positive there too. And, you know, even if it's not Hunter and we're getting another wide receiver in a later round, which I would imagine we will be doing, ah it gives that person a little bit of a breather room. I mean, i don't want to totally write off Polk, but, you know, obviously not great signs early on. But that is one other takeaway that I look at where you're like, at least with Diggs coming in when he's healthy and in the – and the feet on the field, like he's going to draw attention.
00:11:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, i mean, like you said, like Hunter Henry is like ah you know kind of the Drake Mays binky last year. right He was the guy he always looked to, and Austin Hooper is pretty good too. But um I'm interested to see what they do with the room. I don't know who's getting cut because now you've got Matt Collins who will probably make the team because he's a really solid wide receiver four. Everybody likes Matt Collins. He blocks really well.
00:11:23
Savage Boston
He's make the team. Obviously, Diggs is on the team. You know, they're thinking, who who's the guy who's out? Like, Booty's going to make the team. Is Kendrick Bourne out? Does he get traded? You know, kind of aging vet. Like, i don't know I don't know who's on the outs here. Like, you're gonna probably going to keep Polk and Baker.
00:11:40
Savage Boston
So, someone's not making the team here, and we can go through the room. but um But, yeah, like, somebody's not making this team. So, I still, like I said, i they still need to sign.
00:11:50
Savage Boston
They still need to get, like, Tyron Smith. I don't know who else is a good option at left tackle still. That's like a true stop gap, but like he's got kind of the best, I guess, PFF and he was solid last year. I know you can't always go by PFF, but that's the metrics we have. So that's the metrics I'm going to use.
00:12:07
Savage Boston
um And he's a player I want at left tackle. um I just don't want you again, going into the draft just for need. We talked, 100% everyone's like, oh, they're looking at best player, but Will Campbell. You don't want to have to need your starting left tackle going into the draft.
00:12:22
Savage Boston
That's a stupid way to draft. So that's my opinion. i don't want that going in there.
00:12:29
Bret
Yeah, and again, i would just say like we talk about going to free agency. We've got to be better this year going in than we were last year. And essentially all the moves we've made will do that on paper, and I think it would make sense. So to me, Tyron Smith just makes the most sense for even if he's given you 8, 10 games um before like what's likely going to be a rookie backing him up.
00:12:52
Savage Boston
Yes, yes.
00:12:53
Bret
ah that we're going to be picking in either the first or the second round. Like, let's just get that guy in there. Plus, he's a freaking professional that can help teach him. I mean, and help understand and get that room on point. Like, I love the concept of having older guys like that in the position.
00:13:09
Bret
ah to be able to get that room right. Because outside of that, i mean we i mean, we obviously lost Andrews. We don't have leadership on that offensive side of the ball that you can point to. i can't think you're going to look at Onwenu or you Strange to be that other guy. So I think, yeah, bringing in veteran guys, proven guys that could be a stopgap makes a ton of
Optimism and Playoff Potential
00:13:32
Bret
sense. So I don't know why we wouldn't go that way, but I also don't know why he hasn't signed anywhere. So who the hell knows what's going on.
00:13:38
Snooty
I think he might be waiting for the right opportunity with a contender.
00:13:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know
00:13:44
Snooty
I think you'd have to like really overpay him to get him to come here because i mean, you're probably not going to win a lot next year. You know what I mean? And he's, what's he 34, 35.
00:13:56
Snooty
thirty five I mean, he's, he wants to play for a contender because he can still play.
00:13:59
Bret
Yeah, he's old. What's the what's the number?
00:14:03
Snooty
i don't know.
00:14:03
Bret
What's the number, you think?
00:14:03
Savage Boston
yeah i mean, well, for what, money-wise or wins?
00:14:06
Snooty
To get here.
00:14:07
Bret
Money.
00:14:08
Savage Boston
Oh, I mean, i don't know. Like, is someone really going to pay him over $15 million dollars in a year?
00:14:14
Snooty
Probably.
00:14:14
Savage Boston
Like one year?
00:14:14
Bret
If it was one year 15 mil, I don't see why we wouldn't.
00:14:18
Savage Boston
I agree. I think they i think they should a million percent.
00:14:19
Bret
ah
00:14:20
Savage Boston
I think they need to. I get like...
00:14:22
Snooty
Right. I'm just saying he may want, he may say like, give me 18 to 20.
00:14:22
Savage Boston
i
00:14:26
Snooty
Yeah.
00:14:27
Savage Boston
Well, here's the thing. Like now that you signed Diggs, you're like, all right, you know, okay, you signed Diggs, bringing a left tackle, and they got a really good defense. You're like, all right, like this team could win eight, nine games potentially, 10 games if you stretch it. Like the schedule is not that bad.
00:14:41
Savage Boston
all of a sudden you start to think this could be a real team. And then, I mean, in the best best case scenario, if they draft Travis Hunter still, and then you have Diggs teaching Travis Hunter. mean, that to me is like, all right, that's that's fucking legit.
00:14:55
Savage Boston
That's exactly what we want. But again, like, you know, right before the dig signing, we're all talking about, you know The Giants get Russell Wilson, and immediately everyone starts like going into like apoplectic. like they're you know They're losing their minds.
00:15:10
Bret
Thank
00:15:11
Savage Boston
Oh, my God. we can't They're never going to take Shadur now. They were always going to sign Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. One of those two players was going to be the Giants quarterback.
00:15:22
Savage Boston
Basically, in like 90 plus percent of scenarios. So what's the difference between before and after? There is none. If they want Shadur, they're going to take Shadur. The Browns could still draft Shadur.
00:15:32
Savage Boston
But like this gives them flexibility, sure. But them taking a washed quarterback on a one-year deal and them signing Jameis Winston to a two-year $8 million dollars deal does not prohibit them from drafting Shadur Sanders. Period.
00:15:47
Savage Boston
Period.
00:15:48
Snooty
I think there's two ways you could look at this. There's the positive spin for the Patriots, which is that they're acting like a team that doesn't think there will be a quarterback there available at three to draft, meaning they went one and two, right?
00:15:51
Bret
Thank
00:16:02
Savage Boston
yeah
00:16:02
Snooty
In which case, I think Hunter, they probably take Hunter before they take Carter, I believe, based upon their need. So the other way to spin it is... but Last week, the Giants' only quarterback on their roster was Tommy DeVito, right?
00:16:18
Snooty
So you could say, yeah, you really need a fucking quarterback because you literally don't have one who can win more than two games on the roster, right? Now they have two guys, two quarterbacks on the roster.
00:16:31
Snooty
Winston, who, look, Winston sucks, but they have... um Russell Wilson, um and he you know he can win games still.
00:16:43
Snooty
I know he's washed, I know he's old, and I know it's not a long-term solution, but the base of it is they didn't have any quarterbacks before, now they have quarterbacks.
Quarterback Draft Analysis
00:16:53
Snooty
The immediate need is much lessened, and I understand the whole thing with the coach which with the coach and the GM, but
00:16:53
Bret
Thank you.
00:17:00
Snooty
Like, that's the sign that, like, yeah, maybe they look it and go, we don't have to take Shador Sanders. Maybe if we take Russell Wilson and we take Travis Hunter, you know, we can put out a better product than taking a substandard quarterback at three.
00:17:13
Savage Boston
Well, hold on. let me So this is from this is from Matt Miller, NFL Draft Scout, right? Large NFL Draft Scout account. He tweeted an hour ago, Giants add Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston.
00:17:25
Savage Boston
So what happens at pick number three overall? Probably the same thing we've expected for weeks, a quarterback. But the Giants at least have options now. So that that's from NFL Draft Scout.
00:17:36
Savage Boston
And then again, Schefter earlier today commenting um that they would still take Shadar at that position.
00:17:37
Snooty
ah
00:17:43
Snooty
So again, to be clear, right.
00:17:43
Savage Boston
You know, so that's a couple major figures.
00:17:46
Snooty
So again, to be clear, I'm not saying that it means they won't take one. I'm saying that the chances that they don't take one increased. If you Matt Miller's wording, they still could take a quarterback at three.
00:18:01
Snooty
Whereas before you look at it and go, if you go into a draft in the top three, knowing a eight quarterback is going to be there, more most likely, and you don't have a fucking quarterback, that's a pretty clear signal that you are taking a quarterback.
00:18:13
Snooty
Right?
00:18:13
Savage Boston
I just don't think anything's really changed. Like, this was what was going to happen. So it's like, well, then we shouldn't have been talking about it in that fashion before. Like, they were going to sign at least one veteran quarterback.
00:18:20
Snooty
Maybe that, maybe.
00:18:24
Snooty
Then maybe that's the case.
00:18:25
Bret
Yeah, I mean, when we picked up
00:18:25
Snooty
I mean,
00:18:29
Bret
Well, was just going to say, we picked up Brissette. It's not like all of a sudden we went into last year and we're like, oh, well, now that we got Brissette, we're going to, on a one-year deal, we're not going to draft a quarterback.
00:18:36
Savage Boston
yeah
00:18:38
Bret
Like, you're getting a you're getting a veteran guy. and Like, I get, like, I think Russell would be a really good backup. i don't I don't understand why they got both. I think one made sense, both. It's kind of weird.
00:18:49
Bret
But essentially, i i agree. i don't think anything fully changes on the possibility for them to draft a quarterback. They still need a quarterback.
00:18:58
Savage Boston
i
00:18:58
Bret
They're...
00:18:59
Savage Boston
I get why they would take both though. Like you have like Jameis Winston is like the true backup, but he's kind of an exciting, fun player that people like. Then Russell Wilson is like, maybe it's a higher ceiling, but he's kind of like the washed quarterback who still thinks he's really good.
00:19:13
Savage Boston
And like, you got those guys will compete. Jameis could even beat Russ out potentially. You know, like those guys are going to compete and then they're going to sit. If they do take Shader, they're going to sit him half the year and then try to play him.
00:19:25
Bret
Thank you.
00:19:25
Savage Boston
I don't think there's any way out of this situation for Dayball that he doesn't get fired. That's just my opinion.
00:19:30
Snooty
Probably not.
00:19:31
Savage Boston
don i don't know what they're doing. I think they should have just fired him anyway and started over. But this is the jet the Giants being what feels like a pretty incompetent organization for the last decade.
00:19:43
Savage Boston
um
00:19:43
Snooty
And... No,
00:19:43
Savage Boston
You know, they – yeah. Yeah.
00:19:46
Snooty
I was going to say, the difference between...
00:19:48
Savage Boston
Go for it.
00:19:49
Snooty
The difference between this year and last year with Drake May is you have to look at the caliber of prospect. but like May was like the number one number one or two guy, depending on your view of Caleb Williams, for pretty much the whole fucking college season, right going into last draft season.
00:20:03
Snooty
Shadur Sanders is not viewed as that level or that caliber of prospect. so If they view him and say, like look, he's not any good. If we take him and play him, he's not going to win games. We're going to get fired.
00:20:16
Snooty
or They may look at it and say, our best chance is to take Travis Hunter, who's going to draw eyeballs. pair him up with Malik neighbors and get him playing on the other side of the ball as well. And then you say, look, Russell Wilson to him is better than Schrader Sanders to to neighbors because they think Schrader Sanders sucks.
00:20:33
Snooty
Like that's the argument that, that it is. It's because it's Drake may was a different caliber of prospect than, than Schrader Sanders.
00:20:44
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, obviously better, but.
00:20:44
Bret
Yeah.
00:20:47
Bret
Teams get stupid for quarterbacks, though. So, I don't know.
00:20:49
Snooty
They do.
00:20:50
Bret
I hear what you're saying. i mean, that's obviously devil's advocate, but... I think teams still get stupid for quarterbacks. I'd be surprised if Shador didn't get picked in the top three ah versus going out. And I know we're talking a lot about the Giants because I think the consensus is obviously Cam Ward goes early, but that doesn't preclude like the Titans or the brown are the Browns to making a pick there either for a quarterback. Yeah.
00:21:15
Bret
I think there's a high probability that both Ward and Sanders are gone in the top three.
00:21:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:21:23
Bret
I mean, that just seems like what the trend is. and And historically speaking, teams get stupid for quarterbacks because you need a quarterback. So even if he's not like right off the bat and even though if he's not like, oh, he wouldn't have been this prospect in other years. I mean, think about how many freaking quarterbacks get drafted early on and you're like, this is nuts.
00:21:42
Bret
and And then they don't pan out.
00:21:44
Savage Boston
But also, like um if they had signed Rodgers, this is the better of the two options for the Patriots. Because I think if they had signed Rodgers, he would either have had a two-year deal or they he they would he would have been much less comfortable with them taking someone at three overall. like like If they sign Rodgers, I don't think it goes his way. But signing Russ is a real true kind of risky stopgap. like That's not a solid thing at all.
00:22:12
Savage Boston
So I think this means Rodgers will obviously probably go to the Steelers, which is really interesting team but at that point. But like this this opens the door for them to take a QB. Like you said, too, the the Browns might be the ones taking a QB. I don't really know what the Browns are doing, to be honest with you. I don't know what their plan is. People say they just want Abdul Carter anyway. That's the rumor today by ah you know Slick Rick.
00:22:34
Savage Boston
Put that out there. Ricky Scoops put it out there. But I don't know if that's – You know, we don't actually know what they're going to do You get a month. We get a month to talk draft still, you know.
00:22:44
Snooty
But like, but like, so, but, but so here's the thing.
00:22:45
Bret
Less than a month. Less than a month.
00:22:46
Savage Boston
than a month. Oh, yeah. 29 days or whatever.
00:22:50
Snooty
So the other team that was reportedly, well, the two other teams are reportedly in on Wilson, where I think the Steelers technically still work because they don't, you know, they're, They're you know doing their whatever with Rodgers. But I think the Browns were also in on Russell Wilson.
00:23:03
Snooty
So if he chose the Giants over the Browns, did he or his agent or whomever get some inclination of what their plan is at quarterback for the Browns?
00:23:16
Snooty
Meaning like, are they going to take a quarterback? So are he's going to get benched at some point during the season.
00:23:22
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't know. i think the Giants are a better scenario probably for a quarterback, better coach and Malik neighbors. So, like, maybe that's a better situation for a quarterback.
00:23:34
Savage Boston
um But – and they're coaching for their lives there. But i don't know I don't know what kind of intel they have. I just think, like – there's and we got one report from Slick Rick a month early. you know like Nobody really knows.
00:23:47
Savage Boston
Talking to other guys online, like nobody knows the reality there.
00:23:50
Bret
you
00:23:50
Savage Boston
like Technically, that could be a rumor from this, and then a sudden, they change your mind.
00:23:54
Snooty
Thank you.
00:23:54
Savage Boston
like You don't know what they're going do. If I'm them, i think Cam Ward is definitely going one, probably to the Titans. That's probably happening. But like you know if I'm the Browns, like what are you what are you waiting for? what are you looking at? like You're just a lost team.
00:24:07
Savage Boston
You have no quarterback. like They need a quarterback too. Shadr is a superstar ah image-wise. and like you know his his his He brings a lot with him, a lot of aura, a lot of all that jazz with Deion.
00:24:20
Savage Boston
I don't know. I think that would be a home run selection for them to give some juice to their franchise. Now, do I believe in the player?
00:24:26
Bret
Thank you.
00:24:28
Savage Boston
I think he should be a second-round pick. Like, I don't think Schroeder Sanders is a first-round pick. I don't think Jackson Dart is a first-round pick. These are our first-round quarterbacks. I remember when that when it likeed when the Steelers took Kenny Pickett, and I was like, is this really a guy that they're going to try to start?
00:24:45
Savage Boston
And then it never happened. You're like, well, that kind of adds up. Like it was all – it's like Anthony Richardson to the Colts. They took him. I'm like, i don't – just because he's really athletic doesn't mean he can play quarterback. Like I fucking hate watching – I'm going to go on a tangent. I hate watching these guys run 40s.
00:25:00
Savage Boston
What the fuck are we watching Jalen Milrow run a 44? What is the point? Like, yeah, you want to be athletic. But, like, dude, I don't care if you're on a 4-3. You play quarterback.
00:25:12
Savage Boston
Can you read a defense? Like, is he Anthony Richardson or is he Lamar Jackson? Because Lamar Jackson is incredibly athletic, but he can read a defense. He developed. He's a fantastic quarterback.
00:25:23
Savage Boston
So, like, there's a lot more there to your 40 time to playing NFL quarterback.
00:25:30
Snooty
Well, I think
00:25:30
Bret
Well, I mean, I would say the same thing about a lot of combine, you know, events where guys in gym shorts and they put so much stock in it. I think it's like, you know, for us, it's measurables that we can kind of look at.
00:25:42
Bret
And we obviously spent a long time talking about Will Campbell's physical measurable, right? But ah ultimately comes down to tape and how they perform. And I think there's more examples of team players that like performed excellent and, you know,
00:25:57
Bret
didn't really matter about their 40 time. I mean, we went with Taequann Thornton because he was the fastest dude in the fucking draft on the 40 yard. And look where that got us. I mean, it doesn't always translate.
00:26:07
Bret
So I, I think it's overblown. i almost think it's really just for TV and fans than it is for the actual scouts themselves. Yeah.
00:26:16
Snooty
I think that's why teams are going to start using the GPS speeds, which is like where the guys have the chips and their shoulder pads and stuff so they can see how fast they actually run in a game. Because that's like true legit game speed versus, you know, in tights running a 40, right?
00:26:26
Savage Boston
yeah
00:26:31
Snooty
um Yeah.
00:26:32
Savage Boston
Well, you saw Restrepo's time?
00:26:35
Snooty
so
00:26:36
Savage Boston
his 40 times, right? How he, how he ran a, they clocked at a four, eight, three. And, and then like, it he said today, he like pulled his hammy before a half an hour before.
00:26:42
Snooty
bad. um but so bad
00:26:44
Bret
interesting
00:26:48
Savage Boston
So that's what he said today. Now, who knows if that's true or not, but like, let's just say hypothetically, if that's true, how could have someone have let him run?
00:26:59
Savage Boston
Whether that's himself, his agent, a trainer, how could no one have been like, Hey man, Don't run this with ah with a sore hamstring. Like, yeah, convenient excuse, but you can't – and again, his game speed is going be way better than his track speed.
00:27:16
Savage Boston
But like four eight is very slow for an NFL wide receiver.
00:27:20
Snooty
Well, he's always the quicker, more quick than fast type guy.
00:27:20
Savage Boston
Very, very slow.
00:27:25
Snooty
But, like, damn, dude.
00:27:26
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:28
Snooty
Like, that's that's fucking slow for a receiver.
00:27:29
Savage Boston
Slow.
00:27:32
Snooty
Like, you know, you're talking high 4.6s maybe, fort low 4.7s. Like, if you're like, okay, maybe he's just like, he's quick, right? But he's not super fast. But, like, well, no, no, no.
00:27:40
Savage Boston
Yeah, if you're Gronk.
00:27:43
Snooty
I'm saying, like, as a receiver –
00:27:43
Savage Boston
If you're 6'7", 270 pounds, you run a 4'7".
00:27:46
Snooty
No, I mean, like, if you get it where you're like, look, like, you get it, like, he's he plays in the slot, and he's like, he's quick, like, you know, but he's not, like, a burner, like, okay, fine, like, maybe, but, like, damn, dude, like, come on, man, you can't run 4.8, 4.85 at pro day.
00:27:53
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:02
Savage Boston
I just don't know if someone didn't shut him down. Like, how does no one say to him, like, hey, dude, like, you can't run this.
00:28:07
Snooty
It wasn't even a combine, a pro day.
00:28:10
Savage Boston
I know.
00:28:11
Snooty
That means he probably ran, like, a 4.9, 4.95 or something. four nine five or something
00:28:15
Savage Boston
how is it possible?
00:28:16
Bret
Yeah.
Listener Questions and Reactions
00:28:17
Savage Boston
It's like, it's not.
00:28:17
Bret
For the, for the record, Gronk ran a 4.68. And then, uh, to clarify, to clarify my comment earlier, I think the 40 is really for the, you know, fans and TV than it is for the scouts.
00:28:21
Savage Boston
well
00:28:30
Bret
However, when you run like a four nine, you just fucked yourself.
00:28:32
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:34
Bret
Yeah.
00:28:35
Snooty
yeah right
00:28:35
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's like ted that's like Ted Johnson. Didn't Ted Johnson run like a 4'9 in this draft? He's like 155 pounds, he ran a 4'9".
00:28:41
Snooty
Yeah, and he's like a hundred and... Yeah.
00:28:45
Savage Boston
It's like, dude, you're not going get drafted.
00:28:45
Snooty
He's somehow skinnier than Taequann Thornton. like He's like the tiniest... He's like... What was that? Trending Holiday? He's like...
00:28:52
Savage Boston
it what it's hard It's not a real science, man. Just like you're talking about Taequann Thornton. I post a video. like He runs a 4-2-8. I post a video of him running a route. He just tippy-toes up to a guy. like He couldn't run a route.
00:29:05
Savage Boston
He somehow couldn't figure out how to run a route. It's confusing. He had like no lateral movement. It was just, I don't know, somehow you've got to put it all together here. But like yeah, long story short, you you absolutely just cannot run a four nine in the draft. And someone should have flagged that dude.
00:29:22
Savage Boston
I thought that was insane. um i mean, we could do some we can do a couple quickfire questions that people had online. I don't know. i don't want Obviously, we don't have to take too long on here, but we got the digs news. We're going to do more of this today, um but the digs news dropped, which obviously was was big. um So let me yeah let me look up a couple of easy quick comments.
00:29:42
Savage Boston
Quick hitters, lightning Lightning round.
00:29:42
Snooty
I can...
00:29:45
Savage Boston
landing around um So these people are like, say weird stuff. I don't even know what's, what's like some guy, Steve Forney, PA Voice 413.
00:29:57
Savage Boston
Dumb question. If they found a way to get Penix instead of May, wouldn't the tackle situation be all set? No more importance on left tackle and they're solid at right tackle.
00:30:04
Snooty
No.
00:30:07
Savage Boston
I'll hang up and listen.
00:30:07
Snooty
No. No. and Will they have one tackle now? No, it would not. You need both ta need five linemen in the NFL, regardless of which quarterback in.
00:30:13
Savage Boston
They have one tackle.
00:30:19
Savage Boston
um All right, next one, lightning round. This is from Tim DeFrancisco at Moth DeFrank. Best ways to address a running back position. Obviously, i need a lot on offense. Seems to be a realistic options for wide receiver and O-line between the draft and remaining free agents.
00:30:39
Savage Boston
J.K. Dobbins is youngest available, but could a vet like Chubb come in and help? Cheers, fellas. um I just want a draft running back. Period.
00:30:49
Bret
At.
00:30:49
Savage Boston
It's a super deep running back draft.
00:30:52
Snooty
It's historically deep.
00:30:52
Savage Boston
And, yeah, there's some really good kids.
00:30:53
Snooty
Just take one.
00:30:56
Savage Boston
Pick one up at 77. Henderson, like, from Ohio State or the kid from Tennessee. Like, it's a good deep draft. Simple. Get a rookie. See you later. he'll He'll be a burner this year. You'll be shocked by how good a rookie looks. I promise.
00:31:11
Savage Boston
um Someone said this, ah which was interesting. They said this earlier. This is from Joe or or at Lotus X underscore one.
00:31:22
Savage Boston
He said, sign Diggs and take Travis Hunter. This is before Diggs signed, provided he's there. Hunter will need some developmental work as a receiver and can learn from Diggs, much like teams bringing vets, QBs to mentor rookie QBs.
00:31:33
Bret
Thank you.
00:31:34
Savage Boston
um Yeah, really, really nice there. I don't know where he got, you know, maybe got some intel there. But somehow got a ah few couple hours ahead of the Diggs news. But I absolutely love that. If you got Diggs in here to mentor Travis Hunter, I think is ah a legitimate dream scenario.
00:31:52
Savage Boston
All right, next up, you guys answer this one. for This is from a guy comments a lot. ConquerSports at Conquer underscore sports underscore. What do you do at wide receiver is if Hunter is gone?
00:32:04
Savage Boston
ah Again, said this before Diggs signed. So what would be your options at wide receiver do you guys think if Hunter is gone?
00:32:11
Snooty
There should be a couple guys in, um you know, the round two or three, maybe end of round one, depending where you go with your first overall pick. um You know, someone like Noel or Higgins or, I mean, I like Tet, but i don't know if I'm taking Tet at four.
00:32:26
Snooty
um Or Beck, or there's there's guys that are should be available. It's not a top-heavy wide receiver class, but it's there's some meat in the middle there for in rounds two and three.
00:32:38
Snooty
So that, I mean, ideally you take someone like that, pair them up with Diggs, So you'd have Diggs, the draft pick, Polk, Douglas, and then that fifth spot is somewhere between, i don't know, the other four four guys that you got
Offensive Line and Coaching Enhancements
00:32:51
Snooty
fighting for it.
00:32:51
Snooty
Yeah.
00:32:51
Savage Boston
Going to get messy from there.
00:32:53
Snooty
yeah
00:32:54
Savage Boston
Real messy. So it said, is this is from Sequoia at Sean Ashley 7. My take is that the Pats take the best offensive lineman available, and that's Will Campbell.
00:33:04
Savage Boston
Whether or not he can play tackle or guard, we need good linemen. ah Not taking Will Campbell at 4. I'm not doing I'm not taking a guy who might be a guard at four, period. That's just my answer. I've said that for a while now. That's my take. i Find a trade-down partner.
00:33:20
Savage Boston
Don't know who you want want to get with? Find one. Find someone.
00:33:24
Bret
Either that, either that or get banks, you know, a guy that like has the bill, has the bill, has a frame.
00:33:28
Savage Boston
Yeah. You've got to trade down. You've got trade down.
00:33:33
Bret
Well, even if you can't trade down, right?
00:33:33
Snooty
You have to trade that.
00:33:35
Bret
Because we've talked about you don't have any takers. Maybe you can't trade down. I'd say take Banks because there's a shot that he could become a left tackle, whereas there's a higher probability Will Campbell will not become a left tackle. So I would say Banks.
00:33:49
Bret
Really kind of a guy that's still high probability.
00:33:54
Savage Boston
yeah Yeah, I mean, I like Banks too for certain. I think there's a bunch of really solid round one linemen, but you just got I think you're going have to trade down, honestly. like i just i mean If you don't get Carter or Hunter, trade down.
00:34:07
Snooty
but like But again, I'm not sure you're going to be able to trade down for value at least.
00:34:07
Savage Boston
You got to find a partner.
00:34:11
Bret
Thank you.
00:34:13
Savage Boston
Yeah, no like you got to find somebody. You got to find a partner for certain.
00:34:16
Snooty
What if it's like you move down, they're like, yeah, we'll give you a fourth to move down six spots. It's like, well, not going to do that.
00:34:22
Savage Boston
Here's another one from JT Cook at Jeff loves Trump's very nice. They're Trump guy. I'm not getting political. ah Do you believe that McDaniels can finesse the offense enough ah to be at a minimum average with the current talent on the team?
00:34:40
Savage Boston
Well, in a book,
00:34:40
Snooty
I think he... I'm sorry.
00:34:42
Savage Boston
No, no, go for it. He's just basically saying, ah and by the way, I was being tongue-in-cheek. I'm not a Trump guy, nor any guy, so no one yell at me on the internet. I'm trying to be apolitical. um
00:34:52
Bret
you
00:34:52
Savage Boston
So, yeah, can McDaniels make this the team at at least average with ah with kind of an average talent?
00:34:58
Snooty
was say, one, superb job of not being political. Two, um
00:35:03
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:35:03
Snooty
i that I think he's healing, prove it.
00:35:06
Savage Boston
I'm so good. I'm so eloquent.
00:35:07
Snooty
I know. What grace. um i think ah I think he'll be certainly to be better than Van Pelt. I think he's proven that. that you know He can help out. um He learned from 2007. I think he can help out you know your tackles a little bit and in pass pro and and kind of setting things up. And he's certainly excellent at scheming things open. So I think he'll be able to squeeze more out of what they have than what others would. I'm not saying every other offensive coordinator in the league, but certainly more than Van Pelt um and what you've had here recently, ah Patricia. So I think he'll that alone will will show some improvement. Yes.
00:35:45
Savage Boston
Gotcha. All right, cool. Well, going to wrap it up here. It's a little over 35 minutes and lot to get to. So thanks for tuning in, guys. Big day with Stephon Diggs. At least we get a little bit of juice, little bit of off-season juice.
00:35:57
Savage Boston
was going to be a sleepy draft pod, but at least we get some juice.
00:35:59
Snooty
See you.
00:36:01
Savage Boston
So we'll talk to you guys next time. See ya.
00:36:05
Bret
Peace.
00:36:05
Snooty
yeah