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EPISODE 12 - BOSTON CELTICS ARE IN THE FINALS!
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Savage and Bret discuss the matchup between the Celtics and the Mavs!
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Celtics' Road to the NBA Finals
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey guys, what's going on? Welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. I'm here with Brett, your local Celtics guru, and here to talk about how the Boston Celtics have made the NBA Finals, which is pretty awesome.
00:00:17
Speaker
I think the last time we recorded was like a week and a half ago or so and they were I believe in I think it was like game two in the Eastern Conference Final and we're saying how they had that pretty amazing win game one you know and then game two they kind of coasted but same games three and four were both both really tight you know like like down last second down the wire and somehow they end up with a sweep and so
00:00:44
Speaker
you know they've had a ridiculous playoff run where they do you know twelve and two.
00:00:49
Speaker
They've won a lot of these games. I think the Pacers gave them a lot more trouble than they were, than they thought they would. You know, I think losing Porzingis definitely played a role in losing the size battle. They went cold a couple games, but here
Was the Celtics' Path Too Easy?
00:01:03
Speaker
we are. They went 12 and two and we're in the NBA Finals waiting for Thursday night. So yeah, Brett, why don't you give me your initial thoughts on how the last, kind of how that last series went.
00:01:17
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I think there were definitely some tough moments there and not having KP showed. I'd also say losing someone like Luke Cornett as well, because those are two big men. And we've put a ton of minutes and reliance on Al Horford. And I know I talked about the last pod, but I definitely think it still remains true where Siakam, I think, in this series really exploited Al.
00:01:46
Speaker
when he was able to switch off to him. And I actually think Al did a decent job defending him, but Siakam was just on a different level. I think he was shooting close to like 60% through the series, which was crazy. But so I definitely think having lost in the bigs made it susceptible in the defensive end. And, you know, let's just face it, Indy was a good offensive team.
00:02:08
Speaker
That said, you know, I think the biggest storyline that's been annoying to me the most is the whole easy path component of it and all the injuries we played, you know, broke our way.
Impact of Key Players: Holliday and Others
00:02:21
Speaker
And you looked at Halliburton going down in this one again, similar to what happened in the previous series with Donovan Mitchell. And it's like, OK, well, they lose their best player, but
00:02:35
Speaker
You look at the performance that they got out of Nem Hard, the performance they got out of T.J. McConnell, those guys produced and you look at it and say, what would Halliburton really have added to there that Nem Hard didn't? Honestly, those guys outperformed them. I also think there was really an overstatement on
00:02:58
Speaker
the impact Halliburton has. And I just think like it's just not to the same level. So I think while yes, Halliburton was injured, I still think India is a really gritty, good team. And I think they got a ton of good production from a lot of their guys. But at the end of the day, we just know how to close out win games. And I think
00:03:18
Speaker
think the biggest thing that was I took away from it is really just the emergence of Drew Holliday in this team and showing his impact that we the reason why we got him a guy that has the experience has the championship pedigree and just knows how to win games and you look at all of his moments in those final
00:03:38
Speaker
You know aspects of those games and we won them and we close them out and I think that's the biggest difference maker of this year's Celtics Versus Celtics in the past whereas in the past it'd be someone like Marcus smart, you know throwing hero ball and doing something stupid or You know tatum just going ISO and doing something stupid and it's like we're just not doing that anymore and I think this just shows the level of maturity and the emergence of some guy like Drew Holliday who really
00:04:07
Speaker
brings that winning pedigree to this team that they've been missing. Yeah, I don't I don't buy the Halliburton like this is why actually I don't think a lot of people have spoken too much about the fact that Halliburton got hurt.
Challenges in Celtics' Lineup
00:04:19
Speaker
Because again, I think if Nemhard came in and they got let's say the Pacers got blown out every game, right? But they didn't. They're all tight. Like, you look at some of Nemhard's games. I mean, he was absolutely fantastic. I mean, like, what is again, like what even defensively what is Halliburton giving you?
00:04:51
Speaker
You know, the guy just transcended. So congrats to him. He had a great series. Maybe he just made himself a lot of money. Because again, I think they largely gave the same. Much different from the prior series when Donovan Mitchell goes out. Like when Donovan Mitchell goes out, you lose an excellent player that gives you a lot everywhere.
00:05:00
Speaker
that Nemhar didn't give you.
00:05:11
Speaker
and I don't think you can replace Donovan Mitchell with the backup. Versus in this series, in this case, I do think you got maybe even better production from Nemhard than you did from Halliburton. Halliburton was very sloppy with the ball, made a ton of turnovers. Like game two, he was, you know, I think right before he went out, game two, like he was bad. Turned the ball over a ton at the end of the game, just really sloppy, same with game one. So you got excellent play from Nemhard. I think like,
00:05:39
Speaker
I think without Porzingis the Celtics aren't big enough.
Matchup Analysis: Celtics vs Mavericks
00:05:43
Speaker
I mean I think that's become obvious like when Miles Turner was in there like he played really well and he looked big like like Al's not big enough or young enough the Celtics just look too small even even you know they have I love that lineup when they have you know Tatum Brown and and Drew in there and Derek White it's great but
00:06:01
Speaker
I think really when you add Porzingis in at 7-3, you add a whole next level to the team. I hope he's rested up. I hope he's really healthy because he's going to play a massive role against the Mavericks.
00:06:17
Speaker
And I think the Celtics match up well. I don't know how else to say it. I think, yeah, the Mavericks have two very, very talented players. The Celtics have like five or six. I think the Celtics, you know, sure, if you want to say the Mavericks have the top one or top two guys or, you know, Luke and Tatum cancel out and Jalen and Kyrie cancel out. Okay, well, who's got the next four best players?
00:06:42
Speaker
You know, so, so in my opinion, I just think the Celtics match up really well. And, you know, obviously a game Thursday, but it's their year, man. It's their year to win it, period. Like, I think it's their year. And I think if they blow it, then people get on them and it'll really suck.
00:07:00
Speaker
but it's just, they just got to take it home. So I don't know. That's how, how do you think they match up? Yeah, I think they match up pretty well in this series. I have the Celtics winning in six. Yeah. I think that, you know, really,
00:07:18
Speaker
At the end of the day, it comes down to depth and talent. I think we just have more of it. Luca and Kyrie have obviously been dynamic in that Minnesota series, and Luca's just been really offensively elite, and then Kyrie's really re-emerged with his talent.
00:07:39
Speaker
You know, I also think it's one of those situations where they didn't really defend them all that well, Minnesota. Whereas I think we can defend them a little bit better. You know, we have better guard play on defense than they do. They have more of their bigs and their traditional style of defense. And like Luca and Kyrie just didn't bait into that.
00:07:59
Speaker
you know, perimeter shot and kicked and it just exploited Minnesota's defense. Whereas for us, I think the biggest thing we got to focus in on is just not really allowing them to switch off and exploit someone like if we have
00:08:16
Speaker
Al or if you have, you know, Pritchard or Houser on the floor, like we can't allow the switch off and let them take advantage of that. Like we have Houser though defensively, I guess statistically he's been really good defensively, ironically, but I know we think he's had his problem shooting threes.
00:08:34
Speaker
Yeah, like again, he's his really good defensively is playing against like they're like sir six or seventh option player You know what I mean? Like he's not like he's matching up against elites of elites But like if he gets switches, I'll give you that like a defensively he's better than what people think yes, but you still have better guards and Tatum Brown
00:08:58
Speaker
uh you know white and holiday you know those four guys those that i would i'd say all four guys are better than above average you know what i mean like that like tatum and brown are like sneaky good like really solid defenders i know everyone says they're two ways but i think it's because of the fact that most superstars don't play the level of defense nearly as much as they do uh you just don't see it that's why like when you had um
00:09:26
Speaker
When you have some players that go off like that, they're like, oh my gosh, look at this guy. But more often than not, they just don't do it.
00:09:34
Speaker
but those guys are really good defenders and obviously like white and holiday are like really great defenders that I look at that and I'm saying to myself like they could provide some trouble for Luca and Kyrie. But I think it comes down to the supporting cast. We just have more of them than they do. You know, they have Washington has really done a really good job there down in Dallas and come a really good offensive third option for them. But I just think we just have more fire power than them.
00:10:02
Speaker
The biggest thing that concerns me is, you know, when our offense sort of stalls out, right?
Offensive and Defensive Strategies
00:10:11
Speaker
I think we get in this period of time where we like stop moving the ball, we get to an ISO, Tatum does like these step back threes or these fade away jumpers. You know, Brown just kind of dribbles off to the side and then like jacks up a three pointer. When we stop moving the ball, that's when I think we have the biggest issue.
00:10:32
Speaker
and we're just playing into their hands. Whereas if we move that ball, drive and kick, force them to collapse on you, stuff like that, I just don't see how they can possibly compete. And when it comes to the matchup, just the top two guys from each team, Tatum, Brown, Luca, Kyrie,
00:10:52
Speaker
Like yeah, I think Luca is the best offensive player in the series but I think Tatum is the best two-way player and Brown is a better two-way player than Luca like Luca and Kyrie are not good defenders They're just flat out not good defenders and like they could get exploited really bad and I hope they do because
00:11:16
Speaker
that forces them to play a lot of hard minutes. And if you can just keep on attacking them, and I think all of our guards can attack them, then it forces them to play defense and then they can't do it. They just don't have the energy. Kyrie's an older guy. He's always been kind of soft defensively.
00:11:37
Speaker
and he's kind of under sized and then Luca like yeah he's he plays out a bunch but he's he's one of those guys too that he's just a big body guard that I don't think he can run with tatum all game I don't think he's not he's not in shape like that he's not like a guy that's gonna run game like he'll he'll slow the game I definitely don't
00:11:58
Speaker
I definitely don't want them to get in the like if Luca starts going ISO ball and slows the game down and they switch off and he's on like Al Horford like I don't want that in a million years like he will shred out like it can't like he would I think you have to be at some point ready to play a lot of perimeter defense on Luca and like get out of the three-point line get a second guy over there and just
00:12:19
Speaker
just maybe eat a corner look or something because you put a second guy on Luca like they got to see how the flow of the game goes because you can't you know Luca is one of those guys that you know if you let him get on a weak defender he will he will score he'll hit threes in your face like he you know he's a dynamic player the whole game runs through him
00:12:39
Speaker
so he's a tough guy to stop but i just you know did the maps have the secondary players to knock down to knock down threes like you know who else do they have that's ready to ready to be that guy like they don't their second tier players in this series don't feel like near the same level and i think that's why the celtics are in the position they're in that's why they're 12 and two in the postseason they have
00:13:02
Speaker
a really good team. They're a full team. Good defenders, good guards. And so yeah, I think that the Celtics have the advantage for certain. But yeah, I don't know. We'll have to see how it goes. But Luca is definitely a problem.
00:13:21
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like I said, they do like PJ Washington has been a good offensive guy for them. You know, Gafford's a good center. He, he plays pretty well down there.
00:13:35
Speaker
And then they have lively, so they, they have pretty good defensive centers. Like, I mean, they don't do too much offensively, but like Washington's that one guy that's like can kind of stretch and he's gotten some good shots down there. So like they do have that going for them. But yeah, I mean, it's, it runs through Luke, Luca and like Luca is probably going to get some like pretty obscene games here just cause he's just.
00:14:04
Speaker
going to take advantage of the moment I don't I'm not surprised if he goes out and drops 30 but like I also think if you just keep coming after him on the like I said forcing the play defense and keep coming after him
00:14:19
Speaker
you can start to like wear him down into games. Like he's just gonna fall short in those bigger moments down the stretch. And we just have more and more guys that can just produce. And I mean, we just have so much more depth. And like I said, I think the biggest difference between this Celtics team and Celtics teams in the past is they just know how to win games. You know, we may not be the flashiest, we may not have like the greatest statistics. And I know like,
00:14:46
Speaker
There's been a lot of hate for whatever reason on the Celtics because of it, but at the end of the game, at the end of the day, we've won more games than any other team coming in towards it. We went 12 and two on the playoff run. We had like statistically one of the best margins of victories in this playoff runs. Like we're just a dominant team.
00:15:05
Speaker
And it's not all because of injuries. It's because we have so much depth and talent on this team that we're just finishing these games out and closing them out, which is great. And I think that was my biggest takeaway from the indie series, just watching how they performed in those games, winning those games at indie, stealing them away.
Celtics in Historical and Media Context
00:15:28
Speaker
going into overtime like it's it's one of those things you look at and just say yourself like winners just find a way to win and that's what we've shown that we're able to do so we'll see but I mean I have a lot of optimism I think we I think we're gonna win this series like I said I think we winning sex
00:15:46
Speaker
I think they'll probably all be really close match-ups for games that'll come down towards the wire. But I just think we're just a better team and I don't see how we lose to Dallas based on the match-ups.
00:16:02
Speaker
I mean, as far as I'm looking at now, like defensive rating per team for the NBA, like team statistics, the Celtics, I think this might be for postseason. I was trying to look up basically like who's got the best team statistics, like offensive, defense efficiency, stuff like that. And I think like, you know, the Celtics are still a really good defensive team.
00:16:28
Speaker
the Mavericks have clearly had a really good run. I don't know how they quite made it the way they made it, but here's net ratings for the season. The Mavs were not amazing on defense for the season. I know they made some trades in the mid-season. They finished the season off like 16-4, so they clearly came on late.
00:16:50
Speaker
There's 18th in the league on defensive rating. Averaging like 114, the Celtics were number two at 110. Offensive rating in the league, the Celtics were number one for rating.
00:17:03
Speaker
I know that the Pacers scored more technically per game, but the Celtics had a higher rating at 122, and the Mavericks were number eight at 117. So yeah, I mean, there's obviously some talent there, and the Mavericks are a good team. I just, again, obviously we're biased, but it's hard to imagine
00:17:24
Speaker
that the Celtics lose the series. I think they're in the right position to win. They have the experience now when you compare how it was before to two years ago. They were a little green. So now it feels like it's time. Obviously, this is why we play the games. We can't just talk about them. We can talk ourselves into this matchup or that matchup. But obviously, I think the matchup game favors the Celtics. They should take a ton of three-pointers.
00:17:53
Speaker
I mean, like they should be raining three pointers like Missoula ball. Let's rain three pointers. And I think that plays in their favor. I really do think they're they played on what twice this year, two and oh, you know, they dropped like one hundred thirty three on them or something like that. In my opinion, they're a better team and, you know, good for the Mavs. They made it through. They played. I think Minnesota was I was it was a tough young team, but not ready.
00:18:20
Speaker
And they're often stalled aggressively. When they got behind, they really gave up. Minnesota had some problems. So, you know, long story short, I'll probably take the Celtics in six as well. I think that's a popular pick. A lot of people actually did. I think the number one popular pick is Celtics in five. According to, I believe, betting lines.
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah, what's funny is is like the money is going that way but then you get like the national pundits let continuing to rain down hate and obscene takes on the Celtics which is just so obscene like it's crazy how much people like
00:18:58
Speaker
literally are overhyping Dallas and what's what's hate him hate though like what's like why why so much hate like they want him to be who do they want him to be like why do they need to come after him like he's not good nothing after trade him he's not that guy like what is what is
00:19:19
Speaker
You need to score 40 every game? What do they need from Tatum? He's the best net player in the Celtics. He's excellent on defense. He facilitates the team. It runs through him on offense, really. So it's like, what more do they want from Jason Tatum, these national guys?
00:19:36
Speaker
Well, what's funny is, so yeah, I think the reason why they give him a lot of hate and I know we've talked about it before, but it's just, you know, he's been around the scene so much that people just assume he's going to fall short and he just doesn't have the killer instinct to win it all. And he's not a flashy guy. Like he's not like everyone got on the Anthony Edwards bandwagon and the guy definitely made a name for himself this playoff run.
00:20:03
Speaker
But he's got a swagger about him that some people really like. Same thing goes with Luca. He's got a swagger about him. He talks smack when he's out there and going through it. And he's a very animated guy on the court. And that gets people going. Whereas Tatum generally is not that guy. And I just don't think people, because he's just not that big personality, people can really kind of
00:20:32
Speaker
He's not polarizing, so it doesn't really get him that. And then on top of it, like I said, he just hasn't won, so people get on him. But I heard a statistic today, which I thought was pretty cool. So I'm sure you heard the J.J. Reddick, Felger and Mass interview, and J.J. was kind of a douche on the interview.
00:20:52
Speaker
series and one of the things like JJ pointed out was he said oh 25 10 and five and he like pointed out that statistic line to them and they didn't really think too much of it but like looked it up today and it was basically there were there's been five guys that have averaged a stat line of 25 10 and five in the playoffs
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, like their career and it's like bird LeBron Jokic and Yannis and like tatum right now. So like clearly elite guys guys that have won titles like it happened in Yannis on a year They didn't end up winning the title. But regardless it's one of those things where you look at like 25 10 and 5 and I think it's one of those things like I look at a 25 10 and 5 and
00:21:39
Speaker
as being like, okay, you're a impactful player that's making good plays for your team to win versus like another guy that could be like averaging 30 and having like four assists and like three rebounds or two rebounds or something like that. And you're like, that guy is not like, yeah, you're putting up points, but you're not impacting the stat line and not impacting the game in other ways.
00:22:04
Speaker
And also Tatum is the best plus minus player in the playoffs right now. So statistically speaking, you look at it and you would say like, he's elite. He's the most efficient guy on the court and his team is most efficient because they're winning. And yet people, people shit on him and act like he's, you know, having a horrible shooting slump and not doing well in all those things. And yeah, I will say like for a guy of his talent,
00:22:32
Speaker
his three-point shot has been really bad lately, and I don't know what that is, but I also look at it and say, I never felt like he's been a good step-back three-point shooter. He's best when he gets it in motion and he gets a kick and someone gets him a shot and he can take it and he takes the free, but his best asset is just his ability to dominate a matchup. He's just got such size and length
00:23:01
Speaker
And like, like he can just got good ball control that he can just drive on anyone and get to the basket on anyone. I literally look at him just like, I don't know why a guy like that doesn't take it to the basket like every fucking
Marketability of Celtics Players
00:23:15
Speaker
time. And then when he gets to someone to slide on him, he kicks it out. Because you look at it, I look like the way I look at him is like LeBron wasn't his prime.
00:23:23
Speaker
when it was like, dude, that guy could go to the basket anytime he wanted. I think like Tatum is at that level from the standpoint of he can get to the basket anytime he wants. Not that Tatum's LeBron, but like he's got that ability as an elite. Hold on to your emails. Hold on to your emails before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:43
Speaker
I'm just kidding. I think truly people don't like Tatum because I think it's just due to marketing. I think like anything, it's all money. Everything boils down to money. Jason Tatum is really marketable in Boston, but his personality doesn't
00:24:04
Speaker
go national he's very soft-spoken he's like a nice guy and he's as soft as he's a nice guy like period you know and he's a soft-spoken guy i'm like yeah he gets he gets into it on the court and that's what you want but but outside the court like he's a dad he cares about his kid he's again he's not pushing the envelope like that versus athey edwards
00:24:25
Speaker
They really latched onto this kid. I mean, they wanted this kid so badly to make it to the finals. I mean, now it's fine because they have Luca and Kyrie and they can market Kyrie's problems and they can try to market Luca's the next coming, whatever. But like, I think it's just marketability. Like the Celtics have a bunch of pretty good, even killed guys, a really high quality locker room, a really high quality locker room. They're supportive and they're a really solid team. It's kind of like,
00:24:55
Speaker
Patriots you know back in the day they just seem to just get it get it done you know they had a really solid teams and so yeah I think the league wants him to be outspoken they want him to be dramatic they want him dating Taylor Swift.
00:25:11
Speaker
You know what I mean? The NFL obviously wanting Kelsey and Taylor Swift. It's like the perfect storm of marketability for the NFL. They're in heaven. So Tatum's not doing that. He's not dating a celebrity. He's not screaming to people's faces off the court. He's not talking like I'm the king. I'm the next Little MJ. So I think that's the problem. It's just who can you market? And like I said, these guys are marketable here, but maybe not so much nationally.
00:25:40
Speaker
no i i agree and you know i like the comp of the patriots and you know and the nba world is like the spurs of old and like the spurs yeah i honestly like i fucking love the makeup of this team i mean i think it's one of those things where
00:25:59
Speaker
You got rid of a guy like Marcus Smart because clearly like he just wasn't the right mix for this group to help him get over the hump.
Team Dynamics and Strategic Changes
00:26:10
Speaker
And I think it's because of just his personality, his dominance towards like the ball and how he felt like he was a leader in all of these things. And you just kind of undermined everything.
00:26:19
Speaker
And then the same thing goes with a guy like Grant Williams who's like, yeah, he's a pretty good piece, but he was just a guy that didn't understand that you're a peace dude and you're not there to be like,
00:26:32
Speaker
This huge impactful guy and I get like some young guys want to prove themselves or go through it And then they got this attitude they talk all this trash and all this stuff and whatever but I think it really just takes away from like what we're trying to do whereas like you have guys like Drew Holliday joined the team you have guys like white who's been like an amazing fine by Brad and then you get
00:26:54
Speaker
And then you got Porzingis, who's like a kind of a journeyman superstar who really just hasn't found a place. And then he comes here and he just like quickly goes into his slotted role of being like, I'm the third option. And like, I'm the big guy, but like, we're going to do what's best for the team. And like, they just, they're that like, they're that group just comes in. They know their job. They do their job. They win the game. They don't care how they win it. They just want to win the game. And I think they know who deserves the credit. You know, it deserves the number one credit.
00:27:25
Speaker
Well Brad's Steve. Brad's Steve. Now what a freaking roster. I mean seriously. Like if they can't win this one then it's a curse man. Like you know what I mean? Like what a roster. Like really this roster other than Purzing is getting hurt.
00:27:40
Speaker
Right? That's the one thing that threw a loop and they've still, they've triumphed, right? But like, we can see it when you watch them, like with Porzingis healthy on that, on that floor, man, this is a good, good team. And this is, they won what, 64 games or like this team? It's a 60 plus win team who's 12 and two in the playoffs. I mean, you might look back, if they win the finals in five or six, right? You might look back and say, where does this team rank all time? Where does this team up there? I mean, this is, this is a really good team.
00:28:09
Speaker
And like, what if they have a really good final? And then you're talking like, okay, like people have been way off in the national media, way off on analyzing this team. So, you know, that's all I have to say. And I think they're extremely well positioned. They're pretty well coached. I'm not scrapping on Missoula. I'm just saying like, they're not, it's not, you know, Popovich, like they're pretty well coached. Missoula is a good coach for this team. I think I want them firing threes like crazy.
Finals Predictions and Conclusion
00:28:38
Speaker
And, uh, you know, as JJ Reddick said on Felgrin mass, when they were getting mad at him, you know, it's a numbers game and sometimes it is a numbers game. Do you have better three point shooters? Do you get more three point shots up? You know, can you rebound? Can you get second chances? All these things play into it. And, and ultimately if you fire off 40 plus threes and you're hitting well that night, well, you're going to win some games. You're going to win a lot of games.
00:29:04
Speaker
So that's, that's Missoula ball in a nutshell. So, um, do you have any bold, bold takes before you sign off any bold finals takes. Bold finals takes. Uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean,
00:29:20
Speaker
I think there's gonna be one game and I'm gonna say it's probably like game three in Dallas where the Celtics like stomp Dallas like I think destroy them I think there's gonna be one game or it's gonna be like over in the fourth quarter and they're gonna get absolutely demolished and then people are gonna be like what I think it's gonna be like it it might be a
00:29:45
Speaker
It might be one and one going into Dallas, but I think it's probably game three. I'm just predicting like a 20 point margin of victory. And it's just going to be like, what happens to Dallas? And they're going to be like, the Celtics are for real. And I think that's when everyone's, you're going to see people hop and say, you know, the Celtics are just a really good team and they're just, uh, and we're just getting to early leads. That's what I want. I just want, that's not like a bold take. I just think if they jump out to early leads,
00:30:13
Speaker
I think they will front run and they've seen it most of the time this year. Like this Pacer series, they actually did a really good job with comebacks.
00:30:21
Speaker
throughout the year they struggled with but like just front run a bit front run get to get into leads and I think will Luca and will Kyrie get down like I think Luca could get down on that and mope around a little bit start playing a little slower you know Dallas's defense again has never been like it's been better but it's never been um the best right so so yeah so things I would I would look for is I think I'd look for the Celtics to try to get some early leads but I feel like we've been waiting forever for this game
00:30:51
Speaker
And it's happening Thursday. And I'm stoked. I'm so ready. It's awesome to be back in the finals. Because you never know the next time you're going to get there, man. It's like, look at the Patriots now again. It's like, jeez, we were there all the time. And it's like, oh, boy. A lot of things have to go right for you to be able to get to the championship matchup. So I'm stoked. All right. Well, thanks for tuning in, everybody. And we will catch up with you next week. Take it easy. Peace.