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EPISODE 30 - PATRIOTS ULTIMATE DRAFT PREVIEW WITH SCOUT D AND PATS PRO!
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Excitement and Preview before NFL Draft
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Savage Boston
All right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here two days before the NFL draft. We have finally are so close where we can we can almost touch it. We're close. We're almost there. It's it's it's April 22nd right now at eight thirty at night.
00:00:16
Savage Boston
And we got kind of a. a big Patriots draft preview for you guys tonight. We got, uh, Savage slash Scott myself. Uh, we got, uh, scout D or scouted, but we still would like to call him scout D cause I like it. It's not, I think it sounds better.
00:00:32
Savage Boston
Um, we got, we got, sorry, Dan. Uh, we got Pat's pro from Twitter. Uh, we got snooty and we got Brett here, uh, per usual in the Savage Boston podcast. So,
00:00:43
Savage Boston
All right. This is kind of our like our our takeoff path preview. You know, we've been obviously building up to this for a while.
Rumors and Speculations in the NFL Draft
00:00:50
Savage Boston
um It's going to feel a little current, a little fresh tonight because there's like there's rumors flying as of like right now, like today. There's a lot coming out and it took right up until this week for the real kind of juice to start flowing with the draft.
00:01:03
Savage Boston
We've all had the same mock drafts over and over and over and over again, where you're just reading the same top, like eight, top nine players getting drafted, which we all know.
00:01:04
Bret
on the same page.
00:01:13
Savage Boston
And we were talking about before we started recording, we all know it's not going to go like that. It's not going to go perfectly. You're going to have some wild stuff, potentially even top five trades, lot going on. So yeah,
00:01:24
Savage Boston
So I just want to kick
Ideal Draft Scenarios for the Patriots
00:01:25
Savage Boston
it off. We're going to start with a few questions just to get the pod rolling, i get the juices flowing. The first question is going to be, what do you want to have happen on the draft for the Patriots? What is the ideal scenario for you?
00:01:38
Savage Boston
So let's kick it off with Scout D. Dan, don't you tell me, what do you want to have happen Thursday night?
00:01:43
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, for sure. So for me, it's pretty obvious. I would love Travis Hunter. I think it's probably a distant memory at this point. um In the alternative, I hope New York's dumb enough to pass up on Abdul Carter.
00:01:51
Savage Boston
Hmm.
00:01:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um Putting those obvious ones aside, it's funny. I tweeted today and I said, I honestly think when I go to bed Wednesday night, I genuinely have no idea what I'm going to be rooting for.
00:02:07
Savage Boston
and
00:02:07
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I have an idea of you know four players that I'd be content with being Will Campbell, Armand Membu, Jalen Walker, or Mason Graham. i'm I'm content with those four, but genuinely speaking, i honestly don't know who I'm going to be hoping for when I go to sleep that night.
00:02:22
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um so what i will say is i'm fine with anyone we take it for from that range but what i am hoping for is that regardless of who we take there i do want to get aggressive and i want to make a move so whether that means going offensive tackle at four and trading up for one of those pass catchers that i've kind of mentioned here and there being matthew golden ibuka loveland one of those guys or whether it's a defensive player at four and potentially moving up for a josh simmons or a josh connor lee or a someone of that nature. So that's kind of where I'm at.
00:02:53
Savage Boston
Nice. Pats Pro, what do you got?
00:02:56
PatsPro
I mean, it's going to be a repeat take, unfortunately. um i would like ah I would like Travis Hunter. And it's it's a dream that has been killed and buried. i mean, and the the Browns GM essentially killed that after, you know, at his press conference.
00:03:16
PatsPro
But I would love for ah Titans to take Cam Ward. Browns to be dumb and enough and think, you know what, let's double down on defense, Miles Garrett, Abdul Carter, and then for the Giants to picture Sanders because their owner is freaking out and doesn't want to relinquish control.
00:03:36
PatsPro
ah But other than that, that's probably not going happen. But that's what I would love to happen. I would also like to see us making two picks on night one.
00:03:43
Savage Boston
Got
00:03:43
PatsPro
But I'm not so sure that's going to happen. i hope it does. I would really think it would kind of set the tone. But ah unfortunately, we'll see. And like Dan said, i i I mean, we all know who i'm rooting for is Will Campbell.
00:03:57
PatsPro
But I would be okay with any combination of Will Campbell or Jalen Walker. Anybody else, Membu and Graham, I think I'm all set with.
00:04:10
Savage Boston
you. How are you feeling?
00:04:12
Snooty
Uh, well, I mean, ideally I'd like to see you try and push to get the, i mean, obviously Carter and Hunter, that's the obvious, but, um, I'd like to see them try to get the Raiders to move up to four, move down to six and take Campbell and pick up something with three or whatever. Um, I don't know. I, I'm maybe it's cause I was, I'm was an old alignment. I don't know.
00:04:31
Snooty
The more I watch Campbell, the more I just love the way he plays and kind of the, the attitude and and stuff and all that corny shit. Um, don't know. He's just a mean prick. And I like that. So Campbell would be my, you know, realistic outside of Carter Hunter if they fell.
00:04:48
Savage Boston
Got you. Brad, do you think?
00:04:50
Bret
So I'll take Carter and Hunter off because we all agree it's just not going to happen. To me, ideal scenario is a trade back, right? We trade back, we get back, we get some futures that allow us to then trade in to the first round to pick up another, you know, late in the first pick.
00:05:07
Bret
And for me, it's banks, you know, and I've said that from the jump, you know, I'm just not, I'm not a Campbell guy. I'm not sold on Campbell. And I'd rather go with a guy like Banks and trade back and pick up some assets to then trade in. So to me, that's the ideal night.
00:05:25
Savage Boston
Gotcha. Yeah.
Realistic Scenarios and Predictions for the Patriots
00:05:26
Savage Boston
And just for myself, I think that ideal scenario, I think the ideal scenario for for everyone is, or for a lot of people, for me is still Travis Hunter somehow, right? that like That's ideal.
00:05:39
Savage Boston
Cause I think he's like the perfect prospect for the Patriots in this draft. Now, obviously that one to me is really has no shot. So I'll go for like my second tier ideal, um which I think is more realistic. Do I think it's going to really happen?
00:05:51
Savage Boston
No outside shot. I think that the bears ah the Bears could trade up to either the Giants or maybe Jacksonville Jaguars trade up to the Giants.
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Savage Boston
um you know And they take Ashton Gentry, either one of those teams. I think you're going to have a team. A lot of this stuff is starting to leak out, come out now. You've got a bunch of teams who are interested in trading up specifically for Gentry.
00:06:14
Savage Boston
Not Sanders. I'm starting to hear a lot of lot of shit about his interviews and stuff. And I don't know who's talking to who, but information's coming out. And people aren't so high on him attitude-wise.
00:06:25
Savage Boston
um But Gentie, everybody loves. And and I think would really love to see... ah someone trade up and then by default, right, you'd have Abdul Carter, which to me, again, you do need edge fits in. And then you'd have to, again, trade back up in the first and get the best left tackle you can possibly get with that pick.
00:06:43
Savage Boston
And that's kind of what I want to have happen. Now, bleeding into the second question we have, which is what do you think actually is going to happen? What is the most realistic scenario? Like what's, what's happening if you had to put money down Thursday night and if I had to put money down, i got Will Campbell at four.
00:06:52
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Thank
00:06:58
Savage Boston
That's, that's, that's where the money is. That's what I think is actually going to happen. I'm hoping for this roundabout trade scenario. And I do think the bears are interested in trading up. So you just really have to hope someone trades up with the giants um or with you, but I think realistically they want to trade up to the giants to take Ashton Jenty. That's the rumor.
00:07:17
Savage Boston
So Dan, what do you, what do you think is really actually happening on Thursday?
00:07:22
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, so I'll give my first three pick predictions. I'm in agreement with you. I think probably going to be Will Campbell. I think there's a lot of noise, and I'm hoping some sort of action happens, whether that's a player falling to us or someone's trading up with us or something of that nature. But um' just putting the noise aside, I think it's probably more likely that that doesn't happen.
00:07:43
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I think I'm in agreement with you there. Will Campbell's probably going to be the pick at four.
00:07:46
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:07:47
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um I think when you turn to the second round, probably, probably going to be a receiver. If I had to guess, Jaden Higgins, I think is someone that Elliot Wolfe specifically is going to absolutely love um just from a size movement athletic standpoint.
00:08:01
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um And I think Jaden Higgins is also interesting because when people tried to describe Jalen Polk, like the guys who liked Polk, I think Jaden Higgins is actually what people wanted Polk to be. Like someone who can actually separate and has those hands and has that big frame.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, so I think he's going to be someone that Elliot Wolf likes a lot. And then round three, I think it's going to probably be a defensive line. One name that I've kind of has been buzzing around my head for a little bit as a Joshua farmer from Florida state.
00:08:30
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So yeah, so I think he kind of fits the Patriots profile a little bit and yeah, that's my first three pick prediction.
00:08:31
Savage Boston
Like him.
00:08:38
Savage Boston
Nice. Passport, what do you have happening on Thursday
Focus on Offensive Line Picks for the Patriots
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Savage Boston
night? Who do you have him taking?
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PatsPro
This is going to be a really boring podcast. So yeah, I have, pretty yeah i got I got Will Campbell ah going at four um for every reason that you and Dan just stated.
00:08:45
Savage Boston
Will Campbell. Let me guess. Will Campbell.
00:08:54
PatsPro
I don't think that Shadur is going to be, I've kind of moved off my take ah on the previous podcast. I don't think the Giants are, convinced I think it's just all BS. I don't think Shadur is going to be the pick. I think Will Campbell is going to be our best option ah for the future. And quite frankly, i think he kind of should be just because yeah you need to protect the franchise.
00:09:18
PatsPro
You need to protect his blind side. And we've been struggling with that position for so long. I don't think it's it's right to not focus on it. um So that's four. As far as day two pick,
00:09:32
PatsPro
I'm also in agreement with Dan. It's Jaden Higgins. I mean, 215, ran a 4'4", I believe. um He's the the prototypical X that you'd want.
00:09:44
PatsPro
He's a little raw, but I think with McDaniel's tutelage, I think he could be a really good receiver for Drake for the foreseeable future. And as far as a day three guy, i can't even tell you.
00:09:59
PatsPro
Truthfully, right now, these these day three guys, ah the prospects just drop entirely off a cliff. I don't really like anybody that much to even speak about them, to be honest.
00:10:10
Savage Boston
I feel Snooty, what do you got Thursday night?
00:10:13
Snooty
ah So, I mean, again, I think it's Campbell. And I think um i think the reason part of the reason why some of the criticism you get is, oh, if he has to move to guard, you don't take a guard at four. But when you hear a draft described as picks four through like 20, being in the similar you know ability, similar score, as a grade as a prospect, you know it's only bad value if you miss on something that you would have taken. So I think, you know Brett, we were talking earlier today about like the 2009 draft.
00:10:43
Snooty
You know, I mean, there's a lot of just trash in that top 10, right? So if you get a guy who can play, even if it's at guard, is that a traditional, like, is that good value overall traditionally for the number four pick?
00:10:56
Snooty
No, not at all. But in the context of where the draft of this draft itself is, it you have to look at where like what other prospects you could have taken in that range. You know what I mean? So I think he's also a steady guy. i think he's you know everything that you've read about him and and everything, is is his football character is off the charts, he's a leader, et cetera, et cetera, and that's important when you're trying to build something.
00:11:19
Snooty
So I think he's in that sense, he's a safer pick, so which is part of the reason why I think they don't want to fuck up and miss up the first pick. They're okay hitting a double ah instead of hitting a home run, to even though it's pick four.
00:11:31
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's that's fair. Brett, what do you think?
00:11:35
Bret
So I think it's Campbell. No surprise. And I bet you if all of us had a chance, like we said, to put money down, it's going to be Campbell because that's pretty much where the money line looks. um ah My take on it, and like Snooty said, we were talking about it earlier, i just, I'm more of a Banks guy. And to me, I just, I don't want to miss at four and look at it and say the guy's going to slide into a guard and then either Membu or Banks become like Stallworth 10 year left tackle and I'm like, we missed our fucking guy.
00:12:06
Bret
Uh, so I don't want to miss out. And then in the second round, I actually think we're probably going to go guard. Uh, I think it's going to be O-line O-line. um I know there's people talking wide receivers, but I mean, you heard Vrabel talk about how we have to start on the offensive side, talked about getting in on the line.
00:12:15
Savage Boston
We'll do it.
00:12:24
Bret
And I think that's going to be the focus. So I see them go offensive line, offensive line. And I mean, I think there's some good guards in there that could drop into that second round that are, I mean, they're going to be there that I think you're going to have your option.
00:12:37
Bret
So I see O-line, O-line and then Yeah, pass pro right, you know, third round. I mean, who the hell knows? let's Let's have a podcast on, ah you know, after Friday and see what we're looking at.
00:12:49
Savage Boston
You know, funny is I was just thinking about this this take and, you know, I think i think people get prospect fatigue. You know, we talk about – I know Dan knows but knows about this, right? You got like prospect fatigue. Everyone's looking for – everyone's got their hot takes come November, December. Like, oh, who's going to be good? Everyone starts talking about Kelvin Banks. Everyone's talking about – Egbuka, right? And you're like, or Tet, whoever. And you're like, oh, this is the guy. He's awesome. He's awesome. You watch tape. You're confirmed.
00:13:16
Savage Boston
He's awesome. He's awesome. But for some reason, you get fatigue about the player and they fall down the draft mocks, which is confusing. So again, someone like, I think Egbuka is a great example.
00:13:26
Savage Boston
Like, cause I like Egbuka as a prospect and a receiver. He's got fantastic athletics. Comes from like wide receiver you he's He looks to be like you know Jackson Smith, Jigba, you know round two. like He's just a really solid 1A starting receiver.
00:13:42
Savage Boston
um And for some reason to me, Igbuka fell off the earth. like Nobody talks about him. like Golden even got more hype than he's – I know Golden's maybe more explosive, but Igbuka to me is going to be like a professional receiver. So I guess, Dan, like just just to throw it out to you, how do you feel about kind of like prospect fatigue?
00:14:00
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I would say like prospect to fatigue is kind of like a media sensation. like Obviously, I don't think it really exists inside the league. I think Ibuka is someone where people in the media don't necessarily get as excited about just because he's not the flashiest player necessarily.
00:14:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um But I think he's someone that within league circles... everyone's going to like him. Like that's someone who checks essentially every single box. You know, I've heard that great character killed all of his interviews.
00:14:25
Savage Boston
Great character.
00:14:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like no one really has any questions about him. And, you know, Peter Schrager kind of backed that up by saying he spoke to people in the league and and the two guys that really consistently everyone loved that there was really no questions about from,
00:14:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
from a person's standpoint was Buka and Jalen Walker. So I love a Buka. I think you put it it really well. He's exactly ah JSN, a Monra, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin type player who just has a really high floor, but also really high upside.
00:14:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So that's someone that I've really floated around that I would love to trade up to. And, you know, unlike Golden, who I think could probably be gone a little bit earlier than we'd like, maybe potentially at 12 to Dallas, 13 Miami or somewhere in between there. I think Ibuga could get into that 25 range um where it's very realistic that the Patriots move up for him.
00:15:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um And I think he's also someone that checks the boxes for the Patriots in the sense that he has that leadership. He fits McDaniels' system. um So that's a name that I think should be really close to Patriots fans' head in the coming days.
00:15:31
Savage Boston
Yeah, and I saw that.
00:15:32
Snooty
but ah because He's got the Ohio State tied to Vrabel, too.
00:15:33
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah, go for it,
00:15:36
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Exactly.
00:15:37
Snooty
Something we i think for a lot of prospects, obviously the Ohio State's very good. But Vrabel was a coach there. Vrabel was a coach there in the past, and he has you know he still has strong ties to there.
00:15:48
Snooty
Yeah.
00:15:48
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah for sure
00:15:49
PatsPro
Let's also not forget, I believe Josh McDaniels was at Ohio State back in the spring ah to kind of you know view what they were doing there, doing his little college tour.
00:15:49
Savage Boston
too.
00:15:57
Savage Boston
College tour.
00:16:00
PatsPro
So I'm pretty sure he's got familiarity with Ibuka. And like Dan said, he would probably be one of the receivers who would just fit right in, just slot right in.
00:16:09
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:16:10
PatsPro
He's smart. He just, he knows ball. He knows what the quarterbacks want. He knows what to do given any situation. I mean, you just watch it still it's all over it. The dude just is a professional.
00:16:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, that's a great point. And I think too, for a team like the Patriots, where you've had so much volatility at the wide receiver position and all these guys who didn't really pan out, you know, he's just someone that has such a high floor that you know exactly what he's going to be.
00:16:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like, that's one of those players where if I could pick any single player in this draft, where I would be the most shocked if they didn't pan out in some capacity, it's probably going to be him.
00:16:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:44
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I think for the Patriots who have you know, had just a lot of struggles at that position. He's someone that really gives you a good insurance there.
00:16:51
Savage Boston
Now, I don't know where he's he's slotted right now or where people think he's really going to get drafted because I think Tett and Golden might go ahead of him. But, you know, again, Minnesota is picking at 24. And the rumor is, for a while now, is they're looking to move out.
00:17:06
Savage Boston
um they they want ah They want more picks.
00:17:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Mm hmm.
00:17:09
Savage Boston
they only have like five picks in the draft. They're trying to trade down and
Trading Strategies and Draft Tactics
00:17:12
Savage Boston
get more picks. So, ah to me, that would be a perfect place, even if you do your your draft currency, right, and you trade, let's say, 38 and 77 and trade for 24.
00:17:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:17:25
Savage Boston
Right. So you give up a draft pick later, which, you know, we want those picks too. Don't get me wrong. Like I want, I want to select there anyhow, but if you have a chance to go lock up, whether it is Will Campbell and Ibuka right in the first round, like that's, that's a legit first round.
00:17:39
Savage Boston
yeah I think that is really good.
00:17:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:17:40
Savage Boston
So those are a couple of guys like I think are solid. I want to pivot really quick. There's, I'm sure, a million pivots we could have, but one is with to Jalen Walker, right? So Jalen Walker, now none of us are in the room with Vrabel and Wolfe.
00:17:54
Savage Boston
We don't really know their conversations. I guess Peter Schrager, again, said today something like how Elliot Wolfe really doesn't talk. You know, they really, the information that's getting out of the Patriots organization is um it's purposeful leaks.
00:18:08
Savage Boston
So I don't think, you know, yeah, we know that they like Will Campbell's character. That's a no brainer. We also really know they like Jalen Walker's character. So I guess what the question should be is what's, how realistic is it that Vrabel would actually just go flat out and select Walker at four if he's still there?
00:18:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, it's it's a good question. I don't know. I think to me, it comes back to just the tackle need. um i think I think if you signed a guy like Cam Robinson, like if you were able to potentially get a veteran who you trust a little bit more than Vidarian Lowe, I think it gives you a bit more flexibility on draft night where their tolerance might be a little higher to to go elsewhere.
00:18:53
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So i don't know. I think at this point I would be a little surprised if they went Walker. But again, like you said, um they're keeping it very close to their vest and, you know, anything can happen. and
00:19:04
Snooty
Yeah, mean, the just the positional value alone, if you if you have Campbell and Walker roughly at the same point, then not only do you have a huge need of offensive tackle, but an offensive tackle is worth a lot more than...
00:19:17
Savage Boston
Well,
00:19:17
Snooty
know they want him to play edge, but he's kind of a little bit right now of a tweener linebacker, right? So, which is part of his strength, but I mean, a tackle is worth more than that in general. So you'd have to imagine that if they were rated equally, that that would be part of the tiebreaker.
00:19:33
Savage Boston
that's hard why it's hard to imagine so many teams trying to take Chianti up at four other than if they just believe he's frickin' Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith.
00:19:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, well, yeah.
00:19:42
Savage Boston
You know, and like everyone thinks he's like that high level because otherwise, you know, the the money value, I saw that chart posted today.
00:19:43
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
The other...
00:19:49
Savage Boston
It's like he would be a top five paid running back immediately in like the NFL.
00:19:53
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. Yeah, the other point too is like, think you look at the NFL front offices and the GMs and they have two jobs, they have the job of kind of creating their board and deciding which players they would pick where, but they also have the job of finding Intel and other teams and kind of predicting how the board is going to go.
00:20:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So i've I've kind of kept making this point that, you know, if the Patriots feel really comfortable that they're going to get their potential choice at offensive tackle um at pick 38 or that they have a really, really strong pathway to moving up for one in the first round, I think that's the potential path where they do take someone like Jalen Walker.
00:20:30
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But at the same time, i you know, I've never been inside an NFL building, but I can't imagine that the intel is ever so strong where you're willing to make your choice based off that.
00:20:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So yeah, it's it's you know it's kind of easy for me to make mock drafts here where I can manipulate the board a little bit and trade up for the tackle I want and kind of have a little bit more flexibility at four.
00:20:51
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But I just think that the uncertainty of the way the board's going to fall and you know the uncertainty of whether you're going to be able to get a tackle with that second pick, I think that will probably force it into a tackle is my guess.
00:21:03
Savage Boston
Also, so for Will Campbell, and this is more of like an actual tape film study thing here for, I know a few of us probably played offensive line at one point or another in football in our lives. I know at least two of us have. Pass Pro, did you play O-line?
00:21:17
PatsPro
ah Yeah, I never made it past JV. um yeah i was i was always the kid with a long torso and stubby legs, and i stand here as a 340-pound adult ah who is six foot one yeah with a long torso and stubby legs.
00:21:29
Savage Boston
Big boy.
00:21:33
PatsPro
So yeah, I played i played center, and i had good leverage, but never made it past JV, unfortunately.
00:21:39
Savage Boston
I got you. Well, you know, both me and Snooty played together and, you know he played in college ball. um I stopped at Noah's guard in high school. um But, um but yeah, so, you know, when you actually watch O-line played on tape, right. And we're watching the tape of Will Campbell.
00:21:56
Savage Boston
Okay. Now I watch a few of his matchups. Granted they are against really difficult players and he's one-on-one he's on an Island. He's no chipping, no help, you know. um But some of the stuff you see on tape, it's like,
00:22:09
Savage Boston
I don't love some of what I see. Sometimes he does just smother people. And you're like, when he's against an inferior opponent, you're like okay, great. Yeah, he smothered him. But against better players, like when they get that real inside move, that real bull rush, get into his chest, I do get a little worried that he's going to be like Joe Tooney was in the Super Bowl, where the Eagles kind of bullied him a little bit.
00:22:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:22:29
Savage Boston
And because Tooney doesn't have the length to punch, right? so So give me a little bit of breakdown. Like, I think, are you concerned about Will Campbell's real tape at all?
00:22:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, i personally am a little bit, and that's not to say that I don't really like him. but He's still you know my seventh-ranked prospect, and I'm still probably gun to my head taking him at four if this is how the board goes. But yeah, there are certainly reps that I've seen on tape where you go against longer edge rushers like Landon Jackson who kind of get that inside track, that inside move, and it does show up on tape where he is losing those reps.
00:23:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I'm a little bit worried in that sense. I think you're hoping for one of two things. Either there are certain coaching mechanisms that he's going to get in the NFL that you know he can protect against that, that he didn't necessarily get in college.
00:23:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Or kind of the second option is McDaniels is great with his blocking schemes and his ability to kind of get tight ends and running backs involved to chip players and help out his offensive tackles, which is something that I think Alex Van Pelt really lacked.
00:23:33
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So, you know, I think if you're able to kind of design it a little bit around that, give him some help when he's matched up against longer, consistent edge rushers. um So, yeah, but I am a little bit concerned in that sense.
00:23:45
Snooty
He...
00:23:45
PatsPro
So I'm also ah little concerned. I'll be 100% honest. um Having said that, I also just want to kind of add a little bit of nuance. And I know in this world we hate nuance, but the kid's 21 years old.
00:23:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Hmm.
00:24:00
PatsPro
He's not the player. He's not always going to be the player that he is now. I would assume he's a professional, like I think we all think he is. He's going to study tape. He's going to study what his opponents want to do to him.
00:24:12
PatsPro
And he also has one of the best offensive coordinators in the league, who, as Dan rightly mentions, is great with his blocking schemes.
00:24:13
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:24:20
PatsPro
i I don't think that his deficiencies will be as prevalent as we think they are, just because he's not fully developed. He'll have a coordinator who understands offensively,
00:24:32
PatsPro
what his line needs and will work with it. I just, i'm I'm more concerned with like a Jalen Walker, who is a tweener. We don't really know what position he plays. He's got really good traits, really good leadership and all that, but he has kind of, he's not really a professional. I'm not a professional. He's not really a master at one thing.
00:24:53
PatsPro
I know Will Campbell can play left tackle. You know I know he can. I've seen him do it. He gave up two sacks last year, two, in the SEC. I know I keep harping on that, but that's a pretty big so big stat in the best conference there is.
00:25:07
PatsPro
In the most priority conference, that's a big thing. So go ahead.
00:25:09
Snooty
he's got, I'm sorry.
00:25:11
PatsPro
No, go ahead, Snooty.
00:25:12
Snooty
I mean, he's got powerful hands. Like once he gets his hands on someone, it generally stops. I know Jackson gave him trouble that Jackson's like six, seven, right? Dan, like he' he's got, he's six, seven, like, yeah, he's got, you know, you know tree trunks for arms.
00:25:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, really like freakish on.
00:25:19
Savage Boston
He's a big kid. Very athletic.
00:25:21
PatsPro
He's a physical freak.
00:25:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:25:25
Snooty
Like he's, he's a, it's, that's a very, that would be tough for a lot of tackles. Right. But he, I think he just turned 21 fairly recently. Like, He's a young kid, so he's definitely not the end of where he is. He's got really good feet.
00:25:38
Snooty
I think if he has a good O-line coach, and this gets into how you you view Marone, I think if he has a good O-line coach who can maximize his technique, you'll maximize Will Campbell.
00:25:50
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:25:50
Snooty
which is to say that, like, obviously technique is important for every O-lineman, but, you know, you look at a guy like Matt Light. Matt Light wasn't the – he had longer arms, but he wasn't – like, he's 6'4", right? Like, he wasn't this, you know, stunning physical specimen or athlete, but his technique and his intelligence were – And his toughness were really what set him apart.
00:26:08
Snooty
So you can make do there, but he has to maximize his talent.
00:26:09
PatsPro
Thank you.
00:26:12
Snooty
He has to play intelligently and he has to, you know, improve. I think some of his his core strength and stuff like that, he's got pretty good core strength, but I think some of that will improve as well. I mean, there's no knock against LSU, but the NFL is a different beast in terms of strength and conditioning, right?
00:26:27
PatsPro
Yeah, get him in a pro gym, a pro program.
00:26:27
Snooty
So...
00:26:30
PatsPro
Let him fill out. like He's 21 years old. Let him fill out.
00:26:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:34
PatsPro
He's going to be fine. I think we're just we're overthinking it a little bit, and and I understand Dan's take on it.
Prospect Fatigue and Risk Management
00:26:42
PatsPro
He's his seventh-ranked prospect. Gun to his head, he's still taking him, but I i think it's back to that prospect fatigue. you know we just we We need to nitpick. We need to find all the problems when, in fact, there's no perfect prospect.
00:26:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:26:54
Savage Boston
But I mean, guys get hit picked.
00:26:54
Snooty
he's not Joe Walt.
00:26:55
PatsPro
No, he's not Joe Wally. Nobody's going be Joe Wally.
00:26:57
Snooty
He's, he's definitely a step down from that. I'm not suggesting he's like a perfect prospect. Like he has deficiencies, but it,
00:27:04
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I think it's also important to kind of acknowledge that, you know, the task that he was given in the SEC at left tackle, usually playing on an island with very little help, um that goes a long way. And like, even though Membu is technically my OT one in this draft, when I did watch the film, he was getting a lot more help in terms of those chip blocks and from the tight end and all those things. Whereas you watch Will Campbell and he's on an island on that left side in the hardest conference in college football. And you know that does go a long way. So for me, I don't really buy the scenario where he ends up as a guard.
00:27:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think the difference for his arm length might be between him becoming an elite guard and him becoming an ah elite tackle and an average tackle, which is fine.
00:27:41
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:27:48
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
You know, you don't need him to be this... you know, Pro Bowl Hall of Fame guy, you need him to be a consistent piece there who gets the job done. um And I think kind of going back to what we were talking about before is if you have a guy like Josh McDaniels who can help him a little bit early on um and just give him some blocking help with those guys, that's going to go a long way and it'll get the job done for what we need the left tackle spot to be.
00:28:04
Bret
help a little bigger.
00:28:14
PatsPro
May I go on a little tangent here, boys?
00:28:14
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:16
PatsPro
I just want to go back Jalen Walker real quick. um I know for a fact he killed his interview. He's talked to them plenty of times. They love him.
00:28:27
PatsPro
ah But back to Snooty's point, it's it's all about positional value. It's Will Campbell. That's going to say. Please continue with the podcast.
00:28:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:36
Bret
No, I'm going to jump on that because I want to say i know we got on the Walker comment.
00:28:37
Savage Boston
Right. Go for it.
00:28:41
Bret
And to me, I'm like, I would be mad if we got Walker at four. Right. I would be I mean, the talk about Gente. Right. And people say I'm calling in and being like, hey, let's let's go get Gente. He's like this, you know, other wordly running back. And it's like, dude, he has no one to block.
00:28:58
Bret
So, like, I just look at it and like positional value at four. You cannot take a running back.
00:29:04
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, it's...
00:29:04
Bret
You cannot take a linebacker. like You cannot take those guys. Unless those guys are going to be like i otherworldly, you just don't take it at that spot.
00:29:15
Bret
So I'd be i'd be pissed. and Let me just put it that way.
00:29:17
Savage Boston
But it's what with Jenty, like, I definitely hear you.
00:29:18
Bret
I'd be very mad.
00:29:22
Savage Boston
Like, I'm not – I don't think I would ever advocate taking a running back that high. and there any just It doesn't fit the money. It doesn't fit – like, if you're a complete team, like said, or if you're the Bears with Ben Johnson and you say, this is the guy we want. Like, we want this player. We think he's going to make our offense dynamic. Then, all right, Ben Johnson, you go for it, buddy.
00:29:43
Savage Boston
You know what i mean? Like, you're a new head coach. But, you know, for the Patriots, absolutely not like you are not selecting Ashton Gentry under any circumstances. It's really not happening. um As we know, Will Campbell is probably going to be the pick.
00:29:52
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:29:55
Savage Boston
I just read a ah tweet ah recently, which, you know, makes you think it's from Brandon Albright, who's pretty tapped in guy. most who had the Broncos, but he's saying, you know, offensive linemen and tackles are going to go off the board faster than you think.
00:30:09
Savage Boston
And there is kind of a big drop off after the first group of guys. I mean, we obviously, we you know, we can talk about specifically when you, when you get up rid of Campbell, Membu, Banks, Josh Simmons, and like Connerly, all a sudden you're like, all right, how, how big of a drop is there? Like is Jonathan Jackson, a guard,
00:30:29
Savage Boston
Like I love Gray Zabel, but he's not a tackle, you know, but I still think he's awesome. Like he's going to be a great pro, but yeah he's not a tackle. So past those first five guys, how big of a cliff are we talking?
00:30:40
Savage Boston
And then if the Patriots can't trade back up, like if they do take somebody else and they can't find a dance partner to get back up, they just might be fucked. Like that's that.
00:30:49
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:30:50
Savage Boston
This is the pro Will Campbell argument. Like just going with Will Campbell, like, is a much simpler choice so you don't have to be stressing out about moving up and freaking out about what tackle you're going to take and and where you know yeah last year
00:31:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:31:03
Snooty
Should have been last year.
00:31:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
That's kind of, yeah. That's like, The decision for me is kind of just what you're saying is if I could guarantee my picket tackle, I would maybe go a different direction. It's just kind of what I was saying before and what you just reiterated. It's like, we can't really do that.
00:31:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And I think, you know, earlier in the process, there were some, there was a deeper class of tackles that I was comfortable with. um But kind of just looking at it now, it's like, we're going throw that guy in there week one and expect him to produce at a normal level.
00:31:30
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:31:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And it's like, for example, a guy like Ariante Urshiri, who I was kind of on earlier in the process, you know, floating his name out there as an option. And, you know, the more I thought about it, it was like, this guy can be really good.
00:31:42
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
He has all the tools. He has the size. Would I trust him there week one with no experience, you know, for our full season? Probably not. And I think that would be doing him a disservice where you're expecting him to come in there and put all that up. So I agree. I think that it it it kind of makes the decision for us, just, you know, the uncertainty of the draft and what you're able to get out of the tackle position beyond four.
00:32:05
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:32:05
Snooty
And that's that's an interesting point with because when you talk about Membu too, right? like So he would be switching from right tackle to left tackle.
00:32:12
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:32:12
Snooty
That's not an automatic switch.
00:32:14
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, it's tough.
00:32:14
Snooty
Not every guy can do that. And so and they were talking on the Sports Hub today, Barth and ah parrot Phil Perry were talking about it, and they said really there's only been a couple tackles in like the past, I don't know, 20 years or something that have made the switch from right to left.
00:32:28
Snooty
and it was um the tackle, the long-time tackle,
00:32:33
PatsPro
Tristan Worfs and Tyron Smith.
00:32:34
Snooty
Werfs and the the guy, Tyron Smith. And um they started their first year at right tackle in the NFL. So they were rookies who played right tackle. So they kind of got acclimated a little bit and then made the move the second year to left tackle.
00:32:47
Snooty
So are you are we comfortable taking Membu and then and switching him over to left where that's a projection and he's a rookie?
00:32:56
PatsPro
They also made a good point on that, which is is fun to bring up. ah The Titans did the same thing with J.C. Latham. j c latham
00:33:02
Snooty
Yeah.
00:33:03
PatsPro
They drafted him to be their left tackle, and they ended up having to move him back to the right side and sign Dan whatever his name is. I couldn't even tell you.
00:33:13
Snooty
More.
00:33:14
PatsPro
Dan Moore to the worst contract I've ever seen for a journeyman left tackle.
00:33:18
Savage Boston
I can't believe that deal.
00:33:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
That was ridiculous. I'm so happy we didn't make that.
00:33:21
Savage Boston
And the Patriots were going to pay him too, by the way.
00:33:23
PatsPro
Oh, yeah, I know.
00:33:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:33:24
PatsPro
that that that's That's how difficult it is to get a good starting caliber left tackle in this league, the Dan Moore contract.
00:33:24
Savage Boston
They were trying to pay
00:33:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:33:32
PatsPro
And just to go back to it, I mean, i had a tweet that said something like this last week.
00:33:32
Savage Boston
him. It's unbelievable what they gave him.
00:33:37
PatsPro
Don't fuck around. yeah you You have the guy who you know can do it and has done it, and I hate to keep repeating it, but it's just don't fuck around. Just don't fuck around. I would love one draft.
00:33:50
PatsPro
but Well, I mean, last year, but I would love one draft where they just don't fuck around. Just get the guy.
00:33:53
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, for sure.
00:33:55
Savage Boston
Yeah, last year obviously was the best example. They just got so incredibly lucky that Drake was there at three. I mean, if that's this year, like said, Cam Ward to me would have been maybe QB six last year.
00:34:07
PatsPro
They got lucky that they got Drake, and he had the mental fortitude to go through that clusterfuck of that coaching staff last last year.
00:34:08
Savage Boston
You know.
00:34:14
PatsPro
I don't think that's that's brought up enough.
00:34:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, that, it yeah.
00:34:17
Savage Boston
Well, good. Maybe youve build some toughness up having to deal with that crap. And now you got a really, really experienced ah offensive coach who coached Tom Brady for 15 years. you know, but yeah. So, uh, you know, obviously there's a lot, there's a lot to this draft. There's a lot going on.
00:34:33
Savage Boston
Um, I think that we, the consensus when I was down at vitamin C over the, you know, last week, a week ago, actually tonight, talking to all the beat guys in person, which by the way, all nice guys, everybody there, you know, Mark Daniels, uh, Callahan, uh, Doug,
00:34:49
Savage Boston
ah You know, Hurley, all really good dudes. Seriously, really nice in person. Got to chat with a lot of them. Giardi.
00:34:56
PatsPro
I heard Fitzy did a great job hosting.
00:34:56
Savage Boston
um Fitzy was tremendous.
00:34:58
PatsPro
Good on you, Fitzy.
00:34:59
Savage Boston
Great guy. Friend of the pod. um but um But yeah, like the general consensus for everybody was they're going to take Will Campbell. I mean, everybody. But, you know, speaking further, they kept using this this similar language and Giardi pointed this out. i thought it was a good point. Everyone just says the word solid. Yeah, we'll think he'll be solid.
00:35:18
Savage Boston
He's solid. He's solid. And it's like, in your opinion, is fourth overall, is solid good enough for fourth overall? Or do do you want to reach higher than solid?
00:35:29
Savage Boston
Do you know what I mean? like like Like, dude don't you want great or good?
00:35:33
PatsPro
In this draft, in this draft specifically with the the depth of talent we have, I think solid is is something to strive for personally.
00:35:45
Savage Boston
Yeah, at
00:35:45
Bret
See, i i I put a question out to Snooty earlier.
00:35:46
PatsPro
the
00:35:46
Savage Boston
at
00:35:48
Bret
we were kind of doing this when we were talking about Campbell versus Membu and like their floor, right? So everyone talks like, obviously we want them to be left tackle, but the floor would be Membu would be ah really strong right tackle.
00:36:03
Bret
The floor for Campbell would be you kick him into the guard and he's a really good guard. And I said, what do you think is more valuable at the end of the day? A right tackle that's solid or a guard?
00:36:15
Bret
And the answer was right tackle. So to me, like, again, that's why I just, I've never been a Campbell guy. I think that's where they're going to go, but that's why I'm just not like, I just think he's going to end up as a guard. And I just look at it. I go, if that's his fucking floor and that's what we're getting at the fourth pick.
00:36:32
Bret
When I look at a guy like a member that I'm like, you could slide them over and he probably would be a really good, strong, right tackle. It's like, Why did we do that? Right. and And I just think that's that's my overall riding thought on Campbell. I just think he's going to be a guard and I don't like him picked that four.
00:36:49
PatsPro
So I just want to ah bring up something that I heard on Felger and Maz today. It was ah Thomas Dimitrov, former GM of the Falcons, was talking about drafting a left tackle with 32-and-a-half-inch arms. I forget the tackle's name.
00:37:05
PatsPro
I'm horrible.
00:37:05
Snooty
Jake Matthews.
00:37:06
PatsPro
Jake Matthews. So clearly Snooty knows I'm talking about. And Snooty, you can back me up. Thomas's point about Campbell was – Arm length isn't the end-all be-all.
00:37:18
PatsPro
With Jake Matthews specifically, they signed him like two or three contracts. He was able to be a, again, a solid starting left tackle, which I'll remind everybody is a hard thing to find in the NFL today.
00:37:30
PatsPro
um With his quickness of feet, which Campbell has been lauded for, with his technique and his hand placement, which is all things that Campbell ah has been lauded for.
00:37:41
PatsPro
I hate to use the word lauded, but it's the other word I can think of. um So it's it's not like it's unheard of to have a guy with shorter-ish arms you know be a solid starting pro who you don't even have to think about.
00:37:46
Bret
Thank you.
00:37:55
PatsPro
I think we need to keep in context that we've been struggling with the position for the last 10 years. and I mean, am I wrong in saying that 10 years? but Let's...
00:38:05
Savage Boston
Well, I mean, Trent Brown, 2018. mean, yeah. Yeah.
00:38:07
PatsPro
Yeah, but I mean, Trent Brown has his own set of issues.
00:38:08
Savage Boston
i mean yeah
00:38:10
PatsPro
ah But we've been struggling at the position to find our starting left to tackle the future for, let's say, the last five years.
00:38:17
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:38:17
PatsPro
We have the opportunity to get it right. I just think we should take it.
00:38:21
Bret
By the way, it was Sam Baker.
00:38:21
Savage Boston
you know
00:38:22
Bret
It was not Jake Matthews.
00:38:24
PatsPro
Oh, dang.
00:38:26
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:38:26
Bret
All good.
00:38:26
Savage Boston
I didn't hear the segment.
00:38:27
Bret
i just I just like to correct Snooty.
00:38:29
Snooty
i wasn't I wasn't listening. i just I know Jake Matthews is their left tackle down there. That's all.
00:38:33
Savage Boston
You just, Suni's just throwing out random people's names. Don't worry about
00:38:35
Snooty
No, he's the left tackle down there, and he was drafted high in the first round.
00:38:39
Savage Boston
I mean, I do think it's funny. Everyone just magically thinks like Will Campbell is either going to be just a guard or he's going to be Rashawn Slater. Who's like a top five tackle in NFL with, you know,
00:38:49
PatsPro
we could go in the middle and that's okay.
00:38:52
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:38:52
Savage Boston
I do want, I would say this, like someone I brought up, you know, I would want them to be a little bit better than just mid. Like, again, if you're taking someone a four overall, if you're taking a wider, like Malik neighbors went sixth overall last year.
00:39:00
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:39:05
Savage Boston
Do you think he's mid?
00:39:06
PatsPro
No, but is there anybody close to the talent of the top 10 in this draft?
00:39:07
Snooty
Is there a Malik neighbors in this draft?
00:39:07
Savage Boston
You know what mean? Like,
00:39:10
Savage Boston
Well, there's no Malik Nabors at left tackle in this draft.
00:39:13
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:39:14
Snooty
Then it,
00:39:15
Savage Boston
But again, like if if if you think that the ceiling of – and again, we don't know. We're not in the room with these dudes. Like we're just off the cuff, right? Like we hear things here and there, but we're not in the room. But if you think that Jalen Walker, his ceiling is really like, oh, he's going to be primarily an edge but also a hyper-athletic outside linebacker who's going to win pressure, win like 20-whatever percent. You know i mean? Like if you think Jalen Walker is going be an edge – hyper athletic edge and a character guy. and he's going to be, let's say Dante Hightower.
00:39:45
Savage Boston
Like if you think he's Dante Hightower, is that worth the pick? You know what I mean i'm just trying to play like a little bit, you know, not devil's advocate, but just, just throw in a different direction. Like
00:39:54
Snooty
No, get it. So, Dan, the ah prospect the caliber of neighbors last year. Is there anyone approaching that caliber at a position of need for the Patriots?
00:40:04
Savage Boston
Travis Hunter.
00:40:05
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
No, like i I would say not.
00:40:06
Snooty
ah Outside of Hunter, obviously.
00:40:07
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Outside of Hunter, yeah, not not even close.
00:40:09
PatsPro
Not even close.
00:40:09
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
like
00:40:10
PatsPro
it's It's quite literally not close.
00:40:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And yeah, I think kind of going back to pass pro's point, it's like if you can get, you know, above average, just solid, consistent play out of that left tackle spot, you'll take that every day in a draft like this.
00:40:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
You know, I think people have this expectation that they really want to squeeze everything out of that fourth pick and get the best player available. um But that guy doesn't exist. There is no Joe Alt in this draft. There is no Malik Nabors in this draft. Like it's just the reality that, you know, Patriots fans have to accept and you take what you can get. And I think if you can get solid left tackle play out of that spot, you'll absolutely take that in this draft.
00:40:48
Savage Boston
I think that lumps you back into right around to the argument that, you know, if Will Campbell is the guy you want, you know obviously they should just stick and pick at four.
Balancing Risk and Rewards in Draft Decisions
00:40:56
Savage Boston
But most of us, and I think a lot of people online, if there's an opportunity to trade down, they take it. Whether or not that's just trading down, say to the Raiders, two picks.
00:41:05
Savage Boston
So the Raiders come up and get genty. or whoever, right? But like, I still think if you trade down a 10, you have an opportunity to but to get Will Campbell, but you might not. Maybe they love him with the Jets. Maybe they want Membu with the Jets. Maybe you have to pick Kelvin Banks instead, right? there's There's options to pivot, but obviously left tackle is clearly the primary, primary need.
00:41:26
Savage Boston
um Shifting gears just a smidge, right? you know Let's talk about late round for a second. Not late, late, but like who's who's some of your who's a favorite player of yours? start with Dan.
00:41:39
Savage Boston
Later-ish rounds, someone that you really want the Patriots to pick that you think um could just be a stud, diamond in the rough type player.
00:41:47
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, for sure. i'll I'll give you a couple. um You know, one guy i feel like I've spoken about a lot is Devin Neal. And I think everyone's kind of set on this prototype running back who's the more like smaller, quicker, you know, pass catching guy who's going to fit that mold.
00:41:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But I don't know. There's just something about Devin Neal where I think people are a little bit too low on him just because he wasn't necessarily the athletic tester um that some other guys in the class were.
00:42:14
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But I really think that this is a 10-year player who's going to put up numbers every single year. Like just the vision on this guy and the way he plays is so incredible. um And he's someone that really, really carried an offense in college, like their offense operated through him.
00:42:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And it was effective because of him. So that's someone that, you know, I would like a running back who kind of fits that third down mold. But at the same time, I don't want to pass up on a guy that I think is going to be really good.
00:42:42
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And I think especially the value, um you're looking at a guy that you could potentially get in the fourth, fifth round based on how deep this running back class is. So that's definitely one guy. I think another guy who's really slipped in the draft process, even for me, um is Wyatt Maloom.
00:42:59
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
in the sense that before we kind of got the measurements on him, he was a potential first round tackle.
00:43:00
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:43:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And that's how good his tape was to me is he was warranted in that conversation. um You know, we kind of got the arm length measurements back and they were they were a little bit low to the point where you're not really expecting him to play tackle.
00:43:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um But I just think I met him and and the character on that guy, the film on that guy, the production, like I i forgot what the exact stat was, but I'm pretty sure he didn't let a single sack in every single snap this season at left tackle or something ridiculous like that.
00:43:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I just think, you know, it's going to be a litmus test to how easy is it to transition to guard or how much does arm length really matter. um But I think at the end of the day, he's a really smart kid, a really hard worker, has great film and offensive line.
00:43:50
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um And he's going to be someone who finds a spot on the offensive line somewhere. and it's at the point where the value is so great right now where you could potentially get him at 77, and he could plug in at your left guard spot and give you some versatility at left tackle if someone gets injured and he needs to step in for a couple of games.
00:44:09
Savage Boston
Yeah, nice. I'll suggest couple guys I like. um I really like watching some tape and hearing about that running back from Brashard Smith from SMU.
00:44:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:44:20
Savage Boston
You know, how he was wide receiver and now he's a running back. But, like, I just think with Josh McDaniels, really fast. He runs, like, a 4-3 something pass catching. You know, fantastic hands. I just kind of like, ooh, man, like what could like, that could be your James White.
00:44:34
Savage Boston
you know, someone like that. I really like. um Also, I kind of like this, this guard from this huge guard, Tate Ratledge from Georgia, six, six, three 20.
00:44:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
love Yeah, love him.
00:44:42
Savage Boston
Like, can you get it? Can you get him in the fourth round somehow?
00:44:47
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
No chance, unfortunately.
00:44:47
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like maybe with one of the 69 or 33, like I just I just kind of loving the idea now of you just coming out of this with the whole new left side of the line, you know, with with if it is Campbell and Rattledge, that's your starting left side.
00:44:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:00
Savage Boston
And then you're gonna have to obviously find a wide receiver and a running back and and pick an edge somewhere. Right.
00:45:07
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:45:08
Savage Boston
There's a lot of needs. But yeah, how do you feel about those guys?
00:45:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Rallage is someone that if he's there at 69, like i'm I'm taking him. I think he's going to go really early. I think, you know, a team like the Texans, like there's a back to back to back picks.
00:45:16
PatsPro
running the card up.
00:45:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think it's like Texans, Lions, Ravens, they all need um ah interior linemen, specifically guard.
00:45:23
Snooty
Thank you.
00:45:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And he's someone that has kind of just been at that spot his whole career. Incredible athletic production, incredible on field production, incredible film um good to leadership skills. So that's someone who really checks the boxes if you're looking for a guard.
00:45:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I think he's going to go pretty early, probably in that 50 to 60 range.
00:45:44
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:45:44
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But if he gets there at 69, I think that's someone that I'm 100% on board with.
00:45:50
PatsPro
So I have a go ahead, Brett.
00:45:50
Bret
Yeah, see, that's – was just going to say that's where I think the Pats are going to go in the second round, which is why I think they're going to go there. I'd see a za as Zabel or a Ratledge being available right there.
00:46:01
Bret
I just look at it, and, like, I get it. They need wide receiver, but to me, I just look at it and say, you can get a guy like this and then get ah another receiver later and see what happens. Maybe someone pops. But I just think, yeah, Ratledge would be ideal for me in the second round.
00:46:19
PatsPro
So I have – I'm going to go against the grain and go for a defensive pick here. um And, again, shout out to Alex Barth. he He's put me on to a lot of guys this year.
00:46:30
PatsPro
ah Andrew Makuba. I think that safety – free safety specifically –
00:46:32
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah.
00:46:37
PatsPro
um is a huge need for all of us, uh, for the, the Patriots, I should say. But, um, Andrew Makuba, I think really solves that free safety issue right at a four, four, five.
00:46:54
PatsPro
i mean, he's, he's five 11, one 86. So he's a little, he's not undersized for a safety, but he's, you know, maybe he needs to beef up a little bit, but I think a true free safety would do wonders.
00:47:06
PatsPro
Let Duggar and everybody,
00:47:10
PatsPro
ah due back to their normal box safety positions. Uh, another guy that I'd like to talk about is, RG, uh, no, uh, DJ Giddens. That's who it is.
00:47:21
PatsPro
Um, so six foot two 12, um, ran a, what did he run here? Uh, four, four. And now the only problem is his pass blocking is kind of crap, but,
00:47:35
PatsPro
I mean, with McDaniels, maybe he can work on that pass blocking. I think you can get good value with him, and he's a day three guy.
00:47:42
Savage Boston
Nice. um Student, you have any sleepers you want to weigh in on?
00:47:46
Snooty
Yeah, it's not huge sleepers, but someone like either defensive guy like Josiah Stewart or um it's Sorrell from Texas. I don't know. I kind of like the...
00:47:58
Snooty
I think it's a sneaky area of need, obviously, or maybe not so sneaky, but they have some depth there with, with Landry and everything, but I'd like to see them take a ah guy like that. Or I like Belton, the tackle of NC state. I know he's a bit of a project and he would be working more towards right tackle. I don't think he has the feet for left tackle. Perhaps he could kick into guard, but he's big, strong, powerful kid. I think he could, he could, um, start to move people.
00:48:21
Snooty
Um, I like Jaden blue out of Texas, the running back. I'm a Texas, Texas fan case.
00:48:24
PatsPro
you
00:48:26
Snooty
guys don't know. Um,
00:48:27
Savage Boston
You like
00:48:29
Snooty
Yeah, yeah, I love Makuba. Because, i again, they need that center fielder type safety. They haven't had anybody like that since McCourty, right? And I'm not saying he's McCourty, but someone to play that role who can, you know, is fast, can, you know, cover up some mistakes and things like that.
00:48:37
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Mm-hmm.
00:48:43
Snooty
ah and it allows Peppers and Duggar to play somewhere and Mapu, if he sticks, to, you know, play more of a ah role where they maximize their talents and abilities.
00:48:55
Snooty
And then um the tight end from Iowa,
00:48:55
Savage Boston
Makuba?
00:48:58
Snooty
Lachey, I know he's didn't put up great numbers, but no one puts up numbers in an Iowa offense. um I don't know, just always the tight end from Iowa is a decent bet, just based on their history.
00:49:12
Savage Boston
I was Kittle. Wasn't Kittle an Iowa guy?
00:49:14
Snooty
Yeah, there's like six guys that have come in recently from Iowa.
00:49:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, crazy.
00:49:17
PatsPro
Iowa's a tight end factory.
00:49:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
isn I love that you mentioned Belton though, because I think in the odd scenario where like somehow an Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter falls to you or somehow you can trade up whatever um and like the board just doesn't fall your way, like in that scenario where you can't get a tackle in your first two picks, like probably not going to happen. But if it does, um I think Belton's kind of that insurance pick where in the dire need, that's probably the rookie I'm taking if I have to plug a guy in.
00:49:47
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um Just like a lot of experience at left tackle. And I think he was solid.
00:49:50
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:49:51
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Looked looked great up close as well. so
00:49:54
Savage Boston
I just don't get like – talking about the Travis Hunter thing, you know, like everyone – obviously they're like, oh, teams are willing to trade up. And um um I'm all for one, as you guys know, for a good rumor. Anything that generates a buzz online, like I love it, right?
00:50:06
Savage Boston
But I just don't get why the Browns would trade down to four, you know, necessarily. Like what would be their incentive? Like if anything, they're going to get a massive haul from somebody to trade up for Travis Hunter.
00:50:18
Savage Boston
Like someone like the Cowboys, right?
00:50:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:50:20
Savage Boston
Like let's say the Cowboys say, fuck it. Like Jerry Jones goes ham. He gives them this year's first, second, next year's first and a third or something. you know what I mean? It goes crazy.
00:50:29
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:50:30
Savage Boston
And the Browns said, all right, you can have it, which would be smart of the Browns potentially. um But like what incentive would they have to even trade with the Patriots?
00:50:38
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah so
00:50:38
Savage Boston
You know, like it just feels like it doesn't make any sense to me.
00:50:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, the I agree with you. I don't think there's going to be a trade, and I think it's more just like hot rumors. But if I had to give some sort of conspiracy theory, this is kind of one that I floated out there with my ah my friend who's a Giants fan. We spoke this morning, and you know the only far-fetched scenario I could see is throughout the process, the Browns were not necessarily sold on who they were going to take at two.
00:51:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So they kind of started to pretend like it was for sure going to be Travis Hunter to test where the market was going to go for the other teams. um And when they realized the Giants would probably go Abdul Carter over Shadur, they were like, oh, well, we wanted Shadur. So now we're going to try to move down to four, get a ransom from the Patriots who just tasted life without Travis Hunter.
00:51:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
They're going to move up to two. We're going to get Shadur at four and an extra valuable pick. um i think that's a really far-fetched but that's my best attempt at a conspiracy theory
00:51:37
Savage Boston
No, that's not bad.
00:51:37
PatsPro
for
00:51:38
Savage Boston
I've just heard they really like Jalen Milrow. And I think they like him better than Shader.
00:51:42
PatsPro
For what it's worth, I haven't heard the Pats being interested in moving up at all because they have, ah they they don't want to give up future picks and also they have a lot of
00:51:42
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:51:52
PatsPro
good picks in a decent area. I mean, you know, it's the not the best draft, but they still have, you know, two third round picks gives them flexibility to move up into the ah the first round should they want to. I haven't heard anything about top of the draft, though, if it makes any any difference for you guys.
00:52:08
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:52:08
Savage Boston
Yeah. Well, I think, like I said, la you know, i think there's, we got two more days. I think there's one realistic scenario where, again, the bears or someone else we don't even know about, again, could be the Cowboys. Again, the Cowboys are a huge wild card for a trade, but they could be trading up with Jacksonville who wants to bail.
00:52:28
Savage Boston
ah They can trade up with the Patriots potentially, or the Giants who want to bail. And it's all for Ashton Gentry, which is again, the rumor, a hot rumor right now is people really want this kid. And I get it. If you're saying he's a best running back in bunch of years and you think he's Emmitt Smith, the new Emmitt Smith for the Cowboys, you know, pretty good physical comp.
00:52:49
Savage Boston
Emmitt was a small guy as well. um I think, you know, Gentry would be, it would be a star, but you know, for the Patriots, that would change the whole board. Cause if, if Abdul Carter falls to you, it's going to be really tough to say no to Abdul Carter.
00:53:05
Savage Boston
Yeah. he's just too, he's too talented. And, and I know, um you know, Will Campbell people are going to be bummed out if that happens because the same people every day are in the mentions talking about Will Campbell every day, same guys.
00:53:08
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Mm-hmm.
00:53:17
Savage Boston
You, you probably see him on there. um But, but yeah, so we'll, we'll see. But when we go around just one last time, we'll give everyone just, just give me your final thought on, um you know, final draft thought, anything you want to get off your head for the Patriots and, and then we'll, we'll end it here. Else we'll just keep on running the whole night. So,
00:53:35
Savage Boston
We'll start with Dan. any Any final thoughts you want to give?
00:53:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I mean, quick non-Patriots thought. I think the trade scenario that I could see happening is Chicago moving up to five for Gentry. um
00:53:48
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:53:49
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think they're a team where you're sitting there, you really don't have that many needs. Like, sure, you could upgrade left tackle. You have a serviceable one there. But you also have picked 10, you have picked 39, and you have picked 41.
00:54:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And you have a guy in Ashton Gentry sitting there with a team with not many holes in ah really revamped offensive line so you know if i had to predict a trade i think it's going to be chicago moving up to five with jacksonville to take jenty um in terms of patriots last words i think kind of just hammering home the potential trade-up i would love one of those pass catchers golden buka loveland um or in the alternative if we don't make that move um i would i would be pretty pissed if we don't walk away from this draft with uh with jalen noel so
00:54:27
Savage Boston
Got
00:54:36
Savage Boston
you. Good stuff. Pass Pro.
00:54:38
PatsPro
ah So I'll follow Dan's lead with a non-Patriots last thought, and that is ah the Giants are still the biggest wildcard in this draft.
00:54:49
PatsPro
um Their owner, I think, is the reason you've been hearing about, you know, they're doing their second checks on Shadrur Sanders and all that reporting that's kind of happened over the last week.
00:55:03
PatsPro
I don't think he's put the team in a particularly good position by retaining Joe Shane and Brian Dable.
00:55:14
Savage Boston
Agree.
00:55:14
PatsPro
And I think he's starting to realize that he might not be able to trust his guys. And he may be putting his, his hand on the scales in, in terms of, you know, saying, well, he's the son of a hall of famer, you know, look what he did at Colorado, you know, highest completion percentage, blah, bla blah, bla blah, blah.
00:55:34
PatsPro
I still think the giants are a massive wild card and will remain. So until they make that pick, as far as the Patriots go, I think in in my heart, I feel that they're making two picks on ah on day one.
00:55:50
PatsPro
um they it's a new regime. They want to prove themselves. ah they They want to, not necessarily it's like an ego thing, but they they want to make sure that they can get good value where they see it. So like if a Matthew Golden you know happens to get to like a 20, I think they trade up for him. They see an opportunity or maybe they trade up just to secure Buka.
00:56:14
PatsPro
um I truly think that two picks on day one is a pretty viable scenario for them.
00:56:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah i i would also add to pat's proud it's a great comment um i would say you know people kind of have this image of the patriots regime that they're conservative and all this but you know they tried to move up last year for Leggett.
00:56:36
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
like They tried to make a move back into the first round. So I think it's in them. I think they have that desire to go get that number one guy for Drake May. So um I'm in total agreement with you.
00:56:48
Savage Boston
Makes sense. Snooty, what do you got
00:56:50
Snooty
think just a general draft thought is that with so many teams looking to go down, I think the price to go up is going to be pretty low, which is to me why I'm not necessarily looking for the Patriots to go down much further than six, because I don't know if you're going to get the price that you want to move down that far, which is to me, then you risk, you know, not getting your guy or not getting your primary choice or whatever.
00:57:08
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:57:14
Snooty
And it's just too much risk and you can't fuck around with the draft this year. Not when you're this bad. um Patriots draft thought um I I kind of wouldn't be surprised if they don't come away with a receiver I I think you know they've gotten they got away with so many years with with McDaniels and we'll find out how much of that was McDaniels how much of that was built but I think they're going to work to build the old line first um I think you could see him going with the set I think they'll definitely take a center at some point they could easily double dip in the first two rounds and
00:57:28
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:57:46
Snooty
um ah to to really build up the trenches to try to get some stability, try to get, basically, I think this year is trying to try to get back to respectable, right? If you're just respectable, you put an actual NFL product on the field, that'll help everybody.
00:58:00
Snooty
Everybody will feel better. Everybody will feel safer. Everybody will be happier. um So I think that's kind of where they're going to start is to try to beef up front.
00:58:09
Savage Boston
Gotcha. Brett, what do you got?
00:58:11
Bret
Well, I'll just say it feels good to only be 48 hours away from knowing what this pick is actually going to be because I know we talked about prospect prospect fatigue, but for me, it always becomes draft fatigue.
00:58:18
PatsPro
Oh, God, does it...
00:58:24
Bret
ah yeah I got to say the daily money line on the Patriots fourth pick from Snooty becomes a little bit taxing, and then I get a graph where it shows me the how things trend over the last you know, two weeks and speculation city and this trade, that trade, and and let's pump up this thing.
00:58:42
Savage Boston
That's all our group chat.
00:58:44
Bret
All smoke, right? ah I'm just happy that in 48 hours, you know, we can we can move on to round two, which slowly gets a little bit lighter. Then we can move on to the next round, so then we can move into offseason and see where it goes.
00:58:57
Bret
um Yeah, I mean, I'm ready to get by the draft. I mean, I'm excited to see what we end up doing, but I'm also ready looking forward to some relief knowing that we're going to get by the draft this weekend. And then we can look forward to, you know, how it looks in the off season.
00:59:13
Savage Boston
And life so life will still go on.
00:59:13
Snooty
Boo this man.
00:59:16
Savage Boston
All right, cool. I'm going to end it here. My last, I guess, final two-second thought is I, as we're recording, got a DM from a Patriots beat writer who says they're not going to have much of an opportunity to trade down.
00:59:26
Savage Boston
So I'll leave everyone that as a last thought, as we all as we all know. So nobody do you leave. Let's wait for the audio to upload. Thanks for tuning in, guys. We'll catch you after the draft. Peace.
00:59:37
Snooty
Yep.
00:59:37
Bret
Peace.