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EPISODE 15 - DRAKE MAYE QB1
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The time is now. Drake Maye.
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Drake May Named Starting QB
00:00:01
savageboston
All right everybody, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. I'm here today with Snooty Boston and it's big day, big day. Just announced today, this is Mayday. you know We got Drake May announced as the starter by Schefter and Rappaport and every confirmed by every single local guy. um So it seems like it's finally happening, which is which is awesome.
00:00:27
savageboston
but obviously a lot of mixed feelings for some. you know People are concerned, you know you know people have been talking about it for a while. I heard the immediate reaction on the radio with Felger and Mavs and just yeah as they do went extraordinarily negative immediately, which I thought was just, even for them, I thought was overkill, to be honest.
00:00:50
savageboston
um you know Personally, I've been saying it for a while. I think, in my opinion, it's a week too late to put that they put him in. I really thought he should have played last week. I thought it was a good opportunity to have him come in last week.
Assessing the Patriots' Recent Form
00:01:04
savageboston
Brissette looked clearly like he couldn't run the offense well at all.
00:01:08
savageboston
And not just because I went to the game last week, although that would have been a bonus, clearly like you should have beaten that Miami team. I was a pathetic team. And I know you're not good, Patriots aren't good right now, but that's a really bad team. And and they tried to lose so badly and just couldn't make it happen. So ah me personally, I am really happy that Drake announced as a starter. I get the matchup problems. I get that Houston is some.
00:01:36
savageboston
a Really good team and I think they are a solid team. I don't think they're incredible. I think they're a solid team um But after Houston, you know, we got some some runway here for some good good growing performances So I guess why don't you give
Is May Ready to Start?
00:01:52
savageboston
me studio? Give me your initial take on ah on the Drake may starting announcement
00:01:57
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, I've said it this whole time, and you you can vouch for me, from April, i don't I wanted him to play when he's ready. So I think the decision on when he should play should be completely independent of how Bressett and the offense does. I understand he might be better. He probably has been this whole time, right? And I understand that the offense has been incredibly bad, but That's independent. if it's If he's not ready, if he's not ready to go himself, then he shouldn't play. So I don't care about the matchup at all. If he's ready to play, play him. I've said it this entire time. So he's going to play a tough defense at some point, right? Like, so who cares? You can't hide them forever. So I understand that. But part of him being ready is you feel that he has the the confidence or he has the mental fortitude to withstand, you know, early trials.
00:02:53
Snooty
in tribulations from some of these tougher matchups and and overcome them. right um and Really, only they inside the walls of Patriot Place have an idea of if that's true or not. and If he doesn't, then he's never going to be the guy anyway. so
00:03:09
savageboston
There's gonna be some conflicting reports ah coming out within the next, you know, there's gonna be a lot of reports basically.
00:03:09
Snooty
um
00:03:15
savageboston
And I just wanted to read you one that that got launched in the pro play Drake May direction. This is from Doug Kied, obviously from like the Herald, I think he's the Herald.
00:03:26
savageboston
um And he he tweeted out, the change at quarterback from Jacobi Percette to Drake May is not a knee jerk reaction to the Patriots loss to the Dolphins per a source.
00:03:27
Snooty
Yeah.
00:03:37
savageboston
This has been in the works. And that's what he tweeted out. And obviously like you know he's pretty glued in amongst amongst others. There's lots of guys that are tapped into that locker room.
00:03:48
savageboston
um but I don't know, we're going to get a lot of mixed match opinions. I do believe that this was not just a response to how horrible the Dolphins game was. Because otherwise, if this was in the works, then he should have played last week. Period. Like I get why you don't want to play him against San Fran on the road, but there's no excuse. If if you're claiming this is in the works, then why didn't you play last week?
May's Preparation for Starting Role
00:04:13
savageboston
Like in my opinion, he should have played last week.
00:04:15
Snooty
So I think, I think the, in the works is legit in some sense, right? So it's a bit of a nuance.
00:04:19
savageboston
yeah
00:04:20
Snooty
I have a bit of a nuance take here. So take one step back. I think him playing now after losing last week does reek to a certain degree of panic, but.
00:04:32
Snooty
There is validity validity to the fact that like it wasn't the works right because he's been reportedly taking 30% of the starting you know the first team reps you know all season.
00:04:42
Snooty
and then he's but In addition to all the scout team reps, he's done all sorts of work with the you know the virtual reality machine and all that stuff. right Everything that's been reported for for weeks.
00:04:48
savageboston
I need more. Mm-hmm.
00:04:52
Snooty
So it has been in the works. I think the only reason you would keep her set last week is because the same reason you could argue to keep to to start May is you look and say, look, all these other teams have good defenses and they were tough matchups. So you might have some reason to explain away some of the you know bad performance.
00:05:15
Snooty
There's no excusing last week's performance, right?
00:05:18
savageboston
no
00:05:18
Snooty
So that's kind of like the, look, it's not going to work. If it didn't work that week, it's never going to work for percent, right? So at that point you go, okay, like, you know, we tried it, we wanted, because I think they still would like May to sit the most of the season, right?
00:05:34
Snooty
I think that was the plan.
00:05:35
savageboston
I think Elia Wolf wants that.
00:05:35
Snooty
i I think May would have liked that if Brissett had played well.
00:05:37
savageboston
you know
00:05:40
Snooty
I think they they would have had they won last week. People go, oh, I've had they won last week. It's like, I'm still not sure they wouldn't have made the change if they had won last week, but nope, even if they won, no part of that, of his performance or that game last week really instilled a ton of confidence in Brissett or, you know, the, ah the offensive operation going forward outside the O-line playing a little bit better than before.
00:05:49
savageboston
Yeah. I it all it depends who's reporting.
00:06:04
savageboston
you kind of believe right because like obviously people have different reports and different agendas and it's not as Mike Reese said it's not like he gets fed one thing from the team and then he sends it out because you know they're they don't want to be used just as a mouthpiece from the team although you know that's what happens sometimes to a lot of reporters is they tweet out what they're given.
00:06:18
Snooty
Right.
00:06:24
savageboston
Some better reporters don't do that but um there's been you know let's take for instance Burt Breer who um you know Breer said a couple interesting things I mean for one he said all along and I believe him he said the plan was to play Drake May sometime this season That was the plan. Now, that's the initial plan. Now, I don't know what that means. Does that mean, you know, week 15? Like, that could have meant anywhere, you know, in the second half. So, like, they did have a plan to play him. um And, you know, kind of agreeing with the Doug Kied report,
00:06:58
savageboston
you know burp rear tweeted out or had video clip before the dolphins game saying that drake may was closing in and i was new words new new text he probably got for
Strategic and PR Implications of May's Start
00:07:08
savageboston
somebody he's closing in so i do think there could be some validity that that he was actually closing in on being the quarterback and after that dolphins game and i think you know we can bring this up too but i think after the jabril peppers news this was a Home run PR announcement that they they kind of they didn't have to make it from a football perspective But they needed to change something in this is one of the most more negative It's ever been and that includes the Mack Jones times So I think this is a PR move plays well in their favor and I think in a football move It could also play well in their favor
00:07:49
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's probably somewhere in the middle. Like, it's not, and I heard the film has stuff too, it's, it they made it seem like, they made it seem like it went from zero to 100, right? And it's like, well, no, like he was getting a ton of reps this whole time. Like, like you said, I think the plan was probably, if you gave him some truth serum was they knew they weren't going to be a playoff team. They were hoping to be moderately competitive. And then once they were eliminated, Hey, you can play the kid.
00:08:16
Snooty
You know what I mean? So like two thirds, three quarters of the way through the season, you can play the kid because there's nothing left to lose at that point, right?
00:08:23
savageboston
yeah
00:08:23
Snooty
And you have the excuse of like, okay, look like he's been, he sat behind, he watched him kind of play, you know, you want some games, you were behind Bersett, he learned, ah he still has Bersett as a resource. um And then, you know, but you're out of the playoffs.
00:08:36
Snooty
So, you know, you're working towards next year. But I think the offensive performance was so horrifically bad and I mean, I like perceptible like man, was he not good last week and he just hasn't been very good.
00:08:48
savageboston
yeah
00:08:49
Snooty
So, you know, at that point you look and go, I mean, you look and go, we feel that he, they, they, I hope what they're doing is that they feel like he's. maybe it is ready to go.
00:09:01
Snooty
Like he's not going to be completely blindside. He's not going to embarrass himself out there. And if that's the case, then you say, look, I mean, we literally can't get worse than this, right?
00:09:06
savageboston
Yeah.
00:09:09
savageboston
I think there's like
00:09:10
Snooty
Like, you can't. This is also the second week. This this is also the first time that they are projected to start the same online two weeks in a row.
00:09:18
savageboston
No, that's really good. Yeah. I think there's some conflicting agendas you could say, right, in this situation. You know, I think there's some people who, like someone like, I think Mayo and Wolf, like they're, they have longer term commitments. Like I don't think their jobs are in jeopardy, either of those guys. You know, I really don't. Like I think Mayo is gonna have runway for at least a few years. Like Salah or whatever, you know, like he's gonna get at least like a three year runway.
00:09:47
savageboston
But someone like um Alex van Pelt, I mean, I know Brissett's his guy, quote unquote, but is he incentivized to actually go to Drake May and be more exciting because Brissett's so limited because like he could be fired at the end of this year.
00:10:02
savageboston
You know, like Van Pelt might want to play Drake behind the scenes. We don't we don't know this. um Also, like the actual players on the team and the locker room fighting for jobs, like if Pop Douglas or someone like, you know, you don't know what's going on in his in his head. He might be like, you know, when Drake gets out here, like I'm going to catch seven balls a game. You know, or, or Jalen Polk like the, or J. Von Baker, like these are guys that are going to have our fighting for their careers and their jobs. So I think there's going to be actually a lot of support behind Drake may playing from some of the wide receivers and players, despite the fact that they respect and like preset as a leader. I think the support is because like you can see Drake's ability and they see it and they see what he can
Offensive Analysis and May's Potential Impact
00:10:47
savageboston
do in the field. And I think they're going to rally. Hopefully they rally behind him.
00:10:52
Snooty
I mean, a lot of it depends on how he's looked in practice, which nobody's really been able to see, right?
00:10:57
savageboston
Yeah.
00:10:57
Snooty
Like if he's lighting it up in practice and he's giving the the first team defense fits on the scout team, then it's like, You know, players aren't stupid. Like they see it. Like if they see a guy is better than, you know, they're going to buy in wholeheartedly.
00:11:10
Snooty
And if they start to play better, much less win, like they'll entirely buy it, you know, cause it's a results based leak more than anything. Like the, again, the players aren't stupid.
00:11:19
savageboston
and
00:11:20
Snooty
They they are playing for their own contracts. They're playing for the future. And a lot of the young guys like pop and bulk and stuff like, you know, even booty, like. you know they're played they're They're fighting to be part of the next group that's being trying to be built here.
00:11:33
Snooty
and At some point, you have to look at Van Pelt and say, I get it, but you I know you are comfortable with Brissett. You know Brissett, but like if he's not executing, either he's not executing or your game plan sucks.
00:11:46
Snooty
so yeah Or maybe it could be both.
00:11:47
savageboston
Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to get a grip of what Van Pelt's trying to do with the offense.
00:11:49
Snooty
but
00:11:53
savageboston
But like I think having having the right quarterback does mean so much in this league and means so much for an offense. you know you know I think we all we know that.
00:12:05
savageboston
But like I think the best the best example is something like Miami. you know When they have a healthy Tua, All of a sudden, you're like, oh, that's kind of a dangerous offense, man. They have a lot of weapons. Tua can get the ball out, make that first read. When Tua went out, all of a sudden, like, oh my god, that's a horrible team. Horrible. And they're non-functioning, even with Mike McDaniel, who's a really good offensive coach. So you're like, OK, like, wow, that made a big difference for them. And so I'm just hoping Drake comes in and we surpass some of the limitation. I mean, he's obviously a far superior athlete to Percet. I mean, that is undeniable.
00:12:40
savageboston
and he's got ah way better arm talent and vision. and you know like Ultimately, he should develop into a much better player than Brissette, but he's got he's got to fit the system. And I'm just trying to, get again, get a grip on like what is Van Pelt trying to do? What are we trying to do? you know We're talking about we're going to be a run first team and this and that. Well, they averaged eight yards of carry last game, almost.
00:13:06
Snooty
and they twice
00:13:06
savageboston
And then we ran it like whatever it was, 17 times or something.
00:13:08
Snooty
yeah
00:13:08
savageboston
They threw it 34 times.
00:13:10
Snooty
yeah they threw twice as often as they ran which makes no sense i know i mean ultimately it's vampelt and mayo i mean primarily it's the play caller you gotta understand
00:13:12
savageboston
Like, huh? But the average eight yards a carry. It's unbelievable. It's like, well, whose fault is that?
00:13:22
savageboston
Is that the play caller? You know, like, is that the help?
00:13:27
Snooty
What's going on? But that's also on Mayo because like that's why you're the CEO type, right? Like he's not running the defense So, you know, you're supposed to have a you know, your finger on the pulse of of the game and what's going on You look and say no Alex.
00:13:32
savageboston
Yeah.
00:13:37
savageboston
yeah
00:13:39
Snooty
We're running here. We're gonna run the ball, you know, but let's keep running it that type of thing especially since you know, maybe you sustain ah drives a little bit longer and your defense doesn't have to run as many plays or be out there as long and You know, I mean, Miami's overrated to begin with.
00:13:54
Snooty
They're a bunch of front runners. It's a fraudulent team that they are such a fraudulent team, um even with two of their fraudulent, but they are complete ass without, without Tua.
00:13:57
savageboston
Yeah. They are for our interests.
00:14:02
savageboston
It's a little bad.
00:14:05
Snooty
So I mean, he just, he gets the ball to playmakers and they make, they make plays, right? And like, I get it. That's, that's what a quarter. That's one way a quarterback can do it. So.
00:14:16
Snooty
You have to think that even if even if May plays the same as Brissett, you at least look at it and say, he has upside, he's learning. There's no upside with Brissett.
00:14:28
savageboston
Yeah.
00:14:29
Snooty
There's nothing to gain from playing from continuing this.
00:14:31
savageboston
Not right now.
00:14:31
Snooty
So from a football perspective, I get it. I think that some of the PR bonus, it's a happy coincidence. I don't think that's why they did it, but I think that might be why it was leaked so publicly, so quickly.
00:14:45
savageboston
Yeah, I mean, I definitely the pepper story obviously being in a big story. I think that's why it had to come out. It had to come out soon and it had to come out before they start practicing this week because Drake's going to be practicing and obviously taking the the vast majority of reps with with the ones.
00:15:01
Snooty
Yeah. And I saw a bunch of stuff of all, why didn't you wait till the weekend to announce it?
00:15:04
savageboston
Yeah, that's bullshit.
00:15:05
Snooty
Like that's just stupid.
00:15:05
savageboston
You've got to practice, dude.
00:15:07
Snooty
That's just stupid. Like first of all, it's gonna.
00:15:08
savageboston
so you can't It's going to leak out everywhere. and They're going to be able to tell Drake's taking all the snaps.
00:15:13
Snooty
Yeah, it's gonna leak anyway. And also like have some confidence. like Don't try to weasel. don't That's a horrible message to send. I'd rather be like, no, he's our guy. And we're going to go with it. We have confidence. That's what we're doing.
00:15:24
Snooty
I'd much rather that than be like, oh, we have to keep it secret so we can catch them by surprise to have a chance.
00:15:30
savageboston
Yeah.
00:15:30
Snooty
No, fuck that. late No, he's our guy.
00:15:31
savageboston
It's funny though, when you, when you, when you analyze the team, right?
00:15:32
Snooty
That's what we're doing.
00:15:35
savageboston
And you analyze an offense and you try to think, okay, let's take an outside perspective in and you're like, why is this team good or bad? Right? Like, why does it work or not work? Like, do you have the offensive line in place? Do you have the right quarterback? Do you have the right scheme? Do you have the right weapons, right? Like, and I'm sure there's more factors you can put in, but let's take those four factors. You know, wide receivers, line, quarterback, and scheme. And you say like, all right, what are the you know what do the Patriots have? Like, what do good teams have? Like, you can take um the Vikings or 5-0, okay? So they have absolutely the scheme and really good offensive coaching.
00:16:14
savageboston
they absolutely have the weapons like jefferson and whatever hawkinson or adison you know they have the weapons they have the old line and then so they place in sam darnold and you're like well i don't know if darnold can do it all of a sudden you're like oh shit like darnold's letting the world on fire he looks awesome
00:16:30
Snooty
Yeah.
00:16:31
savageboston
Right, and you're like, wow, because they have all these other things in place to support Darnold. Like, I do agree with Dan Orlowski who was talking about this in regards to the Patriots. When you look at the Patriots, you're like, all right, well, now you got the talented kid in Drake, May, we're putting in, but um the line, hopefully improving, they're not as bad as they once were at the beginning of the year, hopefully. um The weapons, you know, it's debatable. Maybe the weapons look like shit because you've had a bad line and a bad quarterback.
00:17:01
savageboston
um And then the scheme, again, unproven. What if all of a sudden we're like, oh, all right, I like what AVP is doing. I like some of his his route combos or his play calling, right? So it's like, it all remains to be seen because there's so many factors to it, but you just it has to all gel together at some point and you can't throw for 120 yards a game and win.
00:17:24
Snooty
You can't. It's completely unsustainable. You're gonna lose every other, you're gonna lose every game the rest of the way if you do that.
00:17:26
savageboston
It's ridiculous.
00:17:30
savageboston
They're historically bad again. This is the third worst scoring offense in the last decade, only to like, only, uh, better than yourself from like, you know, last year or something like, or, or sorry, they're scoring less than they were last year.
00:17:45
savageboston
They're like 12.6 or something a game and your, and your yardage you're getting is like, again, it's something like, I don't know, what is it? 120 hundred some odd 40 passing yards a game.
00:17:57
Snooty
and It's bad. but It's bad.
00:18:00
savageboston
Bad.
00:18:02
Snooty
and i think I think they have some talent outside. I think their tight ends are serviceable. um I think Pop Douglas is good. I think they have good backs.
00:18:13
Snooty
and um you know polk is Polk is showing signs of being a pretty decent receiver at some point. i He's a rookie. but i mean I'm not saying that's good or super-caliber or whatever.
00:18:21
savageboston
Yeah.
00:18:27
Snooty
but You can get by with that. You can be a lot better than this with that, I should say.
00:18:32
savageboston
Yeah.
00:18:33
Snooty
um I think it's some combination of like a percent rolled into like three or four pressures last week.
00:18:38
savageboston
I saw that.
00:18:39
Snooty
How's it going, man? like
00:18:40
savageboston
awesome Some of those clips were really bad. He had like a perfect, like they had Unwenu. Did you see that clip? Unwenu pulled left and presets like, let me take this big, slow, lumbering roll.
00:18:45
Snooty
yeah
00:18:50
savageboston
And then he couldn't have, he didn't have the mobility to slide back up in the pocket. Like his pocket mobility, he's he's just too slow. And so, you know, he's, they still, there's a completion on like not a good throw.
00:19:02
savageboston
um because it was a nice diving catch, but stuff like that where I think Drake May's pocket mobility is going to be a lot better. Just watch. You're going to see people, a couple things.
Opportunities and Expectations for May
00:19:12
savageboston
One, it's going to appear like the line is blocking better. That's going to be my first opinion, like first prediction for next game, even against Houston, who's really hard. It's going to appear like the the their block past blocking is better because I think Drake is going to have much better pocket mobility.
00:19:28
savageboston
um And I think he can hopefully make quicker reads and get the ball out faster. um And so I was going to be like, oh wow, will the line block better? You know, people are going to start saying dumb shit.
00:19:38
savageboston
But I think a lot of that's going to be because of Drake.
00:19:41
Snooty
Yeah Yeah Yeah
00:19:41
savageboston
um and And yeah, I think we got to keep some receipts. on whether it's Felger and Maz who are going off like this is just the worst thing like as if this was killing me it's like even if he has a horrible game like as if this one game is gonna make or break his life his career like next week we play you know after this it's the Jaguars in London you're gonna be mad drinks playing that game or whatever and like or or is it the titan at the Titans first is it the Titans before the Jags
00:20:14
Snooty
ah No, Titans are after the Jags, I believe.
00:20:16
savageboston
but So it's like Jags, then Jets, then ah then um then Titans.
00:20:24
Snooty
Something like that.
00:20:24
savageboston
You know you want them against the Jags, absolutely. You want them against the Titans, absolutely. The Jets just fired their head coach. That's kind of going to be a mess. So like I want to play Drake those three weeks.
00:20:36
Snooty
And again, he's gonna have to play tough teams at some point. you're at you're and you're like The Patriots suck, right?
00:20:43
savageboston
Yeah.
00:20:43
Snooty
Like you suck. You don't draft third overall being good. You suck. So you're gonna end up playing good teams.
00:20:47
savageboston
Yeah.
00:20:50
Snooty
That's just a fact of life. So you can't hide them forever. So I've never held this position that like, he needs to sit the whole year or he needs to start right away. No, when he's ready, when they feel he's ready, play him.
00:21:03
Snooty
You could be five and 0. if he was ready play em
00:21:08
savageboston
Like, look at this, hold on, let me let me read you these games and you tell me why you think they're playing Drake May.
00:21:08
Snooty
i
00:21:14
savageboston
I mean, listen to this, Texans, yeah, tough week, they're four and one, pretty good team, pretty good defense, just has limited a bunch of quarterbacks, I looked up, except Sam Darnold, shredded them for four touchdowns.
00:21:25
savageboston
After this, you got the Jaguars, yep, no brainer, play them. Then you got the Jets, who just fired their head coach, yep, no brainer, and at home, yep, play them.
00:21:31
Snooty
If he was ready, play him.
00:21:35
savageboston
Then you got the Titans, the one and three Titans, Ah, yep, no brainer. Then you got the Bears. Again, I'll play them against the Bears against Caleb Williams, no doubt. Then you got the 1-4 Rams.
00:21:46
savageboston
Okay, then you have the Dolphins again. Then you have the Colts. Then you have the Cardinals. Like, you tell me we don't want Drake in and against these teams?
00:21:52
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:55
Snooty
And that's what I've been saying. there's I'm not saying they're going to win and go to the playoffs or anything like that. But there's a few winnable games left on the schedule. They just need to get better play from the quarterback position.
00:22:07
savageboston
If Drake is functional in any way, they're all possibly winnable. Like, that's the message. Like, you could beat the Dolphins again, the Rams, you could beat the Titans and the Jaguars and even the Jets, literally. You can, you could beat any of those teams.
00:22:20
Snooty
it wouldn't
00:22:20
savageboston
Just like you could have beat the Jets, you could have just won this past weekend and you should have beaten the Seahawks.
00:22:25
Snooty
I mean, even with Prosette, you probably should have beaten the Seahawks. You definitely should have beaten the Dolphins.
00:22:30
savageboston
Yeah.
00:22:30
Snooty
You realistically should be sitting here at three and two, which again, I would say even if you were three and two, let's say those two games go and they still won three and two.
00:22:32
savageboston
I know.
00:22:39
Snooty
If they think May is ready, I still would say to put them in right now.
00:22:42
savageboston
Absolutely.
00:22:44
Snooty
So I've never backed off that position because you can't be afraid to play him if he's ready to go. If he's not ready, that's different. But there's no one way to do this. Some guys need to sit for a while.
00:22:56
Snooty
I get it. Some guys don't. But you know.
00:22:58
savageboston
Dude, the pearl clutching about playing Drake May is frankly starting to make me a little sick. like Like, Tanner Vlosky has been, and I like Dan, and I think he's a pretty good analyst, but like, my god, the Pearl Clutching is like, you can't, oh my, it's like, it's like literally like sending him to the guillotine. Like, it's unbelievable to to hear the Pearl Clutching. You know, Felger and Maz are trying to run a show, I get that, and you're doing the anti, anti whatever the Patriots are doing, so I understand what their concept is. Like, that's a national dude, Tanner Vlosky, like,
00:23:33
savageboston
How come there's no one who's like, yeah, let the kid play? like you know If he doesn't do well, all right, maybe he'll get better. like Where does like the rational middle ground take? like Why does everyone just have to be clutching at their pearls 24-7?
00:23:46
Snooty
Well, it's because nuance takes don't get clicks and eyeballs, right? So like the real take is like if he's at the point where he's learned all he can reasonably learn from board work and from, you know, virtual reality and all that stuff, like he's at the point where like the only way he can continue to learn and develop is through game reps.
00:23:50
savageboston
Yeah.
00:24:05
Snooty
Then you got to fucking put them in.
00:24:06
savageboston
Yeah.
00:24:07
Snooty
You know what I mean? Like that's it.
00:24:08
savageboston
Game speed.
00:24:09
Snooty
Like if he's a smart kid and he's got everything and his mechanics are down and you feel comfortable that he's not just gonna go absolutely haywire mechanically when the bullets start flying, then like you gotta put him in.
00:24:20
Snooty
That's the way he's gonna get better. That's the whole point of last year being, what were they, three and 14 or whatever?
00:24:23
savageboston
Yeah.
00:24:26
Snooty
Like that's the whole point is you got this kid.
00:24:28
savageboston
yeah
00:24:30
Snooty
It's to grow.
00:24:30
savageboston
I love that Jags matchup. I love that. Drake May in London. like Talk about the lowest pressure and in human history, a 9am game against the Jaguars in London. like that's Can you drop a lower pressure game? I mean, no one even cares. like When Lou, the Jaguars don't even have fans.
00:24:51
savageboston
Like that's, it's just a, I dunno, I feel like it's that, again, I would have either, if it was me, I would have picked the Jags game to stardom or I would have picked last week against the Dolphins at home. Don't know why they split the difference against Houston.
00:25:03
savageboston
Maybe, again, like you said, maybe PR, maybe it's the time is now. Who the hell knows? But I'm excited for the game.
00:25:09
Snooty
It doesn't matter ah Yeah, of course I'm excited I mean like Again, I think they picked it cuz it's like if you can't if Brissett's gonna do that against the Dolphins team when he got reasonable protection There's nothing left like you're not gonna get in a better spot than that That's what I'm saying like you if you if you like the only
00:25:28
savageboston
they're getting worse yeah
00:25:33
Snooty
thing I would be hesitant about is if he's like that because he has like so much shell shock already from getting hit, then that's a terrible sign. That's it that's ah something that you could be afraid of for May.
00:25:44
savageboston
Such a rough year for Mayo. I mean, after the first first win, he was he riding so high, you know, even though he knew like, oh, we're not going to win a lot of games like this. Like they were riding so high. And then it's like four consecutive losses in some pretty bad ways. Like it feels like people obviously love jumping on, piling on. Like nobody knows who may is a who Mayo is going to be yet. Like nobody knows that Mayo could be a great leader.
00:26:10
savageboston
Leader of men, great coach. Again, that's CEO coach, right? He could be a great coach and put in the right people. But I think the organization just got so bottom of the barrel. Like I think the one coach again to really look at is Alex van Pelt. And if you say at the end of the season, you know what, I just don't like the scheme. Like we need a better scheme.
00:26:32
savageboston
then i I would be cool if you go in a different direction and you know because they got rejected by like they said it was 12 out of 12 their offensive coordinator candidates or something like that.
00:26:43
savageboston
ah
00:26:43
Snooty
Well, they could also look around and say like, what if May plays well, but they still feel that the the scheme is is not good.
00:26:51
savageboston
Yeah.
00:26:52
Snooty
Then instead of May, if that point, theoretically you'd think we don't have to go through 12 guys. Like you would be a spot where you'd want to go. Cause you get to like, you know, the Nick Kalies or whatever, you could come in and be like, nah, that look, this kid's smart.
00:27:05
Snooty
He learned like he he played well, which is, we didn't have a scheme to fit it. And we have all this money to spend, you know, 30 million.
00:27:11
savageboston
You got to sell it to an OC. They gave us all to them.
00:27:13
Snooty
Right.
00:27:14
savageboston
Like, y'all, please come here. Like, we got the pieces and the money.
00:27:17
Snooty
But in theory, it's ah it's an easier sell. I think they also have someone in house who could take over in Ben McAdoo.
00:27:20
savageboston
Yeah.
00:27:23
savageboston
Do you think Matthew would be the OC?
00:27:26
Snooty
So, I mean, he was an OC before.
00:27:29
savageboston
Where was he OC before?
00:27:31
Snooty
The Giants.
00:27:32
savageboston
He was the OC for the Giants.
00:27:34
Snooty
Yeah, I believe so. I believe that then you get promoted up, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
00:27:37
savageboston
I mean, I remember he really went poorly when he was head coach.
00:27:40
Snooty
yeah
00:27:41
savageboston
You know who I want my dream hire is day ball um But I don't I think day ball seems like he's probably not gonna get fired now because he's kind of got the Giants win in a few games here um But you know Malik neighbors for them is an absolute freakin stud to love that guy.
00:27:53
Snooty
right
00:27:59
savageboston
She's sick um But yeah, I would have loved a balls OC next year.
00:28:01
Snooty
Right Yeah Yeah, Mac He was the offensive coordinator before he's the one who who
00:28:04
savageboston
That'd be great. Um, just from developing Josh Allen. Um, maybe back to is a guy. I don't know.
00:28:16
Snooty
You know, supposedly has great track record with identifying quarterbacks and stuff. He was a big Drake may supporter, you know, he's a senior advisor, whatever.
00:28:22
savageboston
Mm hmm.
00:28:24
Snooty
He's the one who benched Eli and like broke his streak and then brought him back.
00:28:28
savageboston
yeah
00:28:28
Snooty
Cause he was like, Eli sucks. Let's bench him and put in, I think it was Geno Smith. And then Geno Smith was horrible. And they're like, all right, we're going to go back to Eli. But he wasn't wrong. Cause Eli Manning was terrible. So ended up retiring like a year or two later.
Drafting Strategy and Team Development
00:28:41
Snooty
So, you know, it just isn't aged well.
00:28:41
savageboston
Yeah, Macadudu and Macadudu.
00:28:46
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, but i i'm I'm excited. um um I think and think they're going to run the ball more because I think it's going to force them to be a little bit more conservative in terms of running like that.
00:28:59
savageboston
Yeah, but guess what? You can actually run play action and actually have ah like a deep threat. like You know that he's gonna have like some serious like boot action and May is gonna be like looking downfield, like really downfield. And that's gonna be exciting the first one he chucks up there and you're gonna be like, oh boy, here we go.
00:29:18
Snooty
I want his first pass play to not be a one-read quick hitter.
00:29:22
savageboston
A bomb.
00:29:23
Snooty
I want it to be something deeper.
00:29:25
savageboston
ah just They're just throw a bomb, throw a go route first.
00:29:26
Snooty
because
00:29:29
Snooty
but because If you remember the Jets game and when he got his first action, his first play was something short, it was quick, it was his first read, it was there, and they jumped it.
00:29:36
savageboston
Yeah, they almost picked it.
00:29:38
Snooty
And they jumped it because I have a feeling they're going to sit in nice and close because they're going to expect them to hand off. They're going to expect them to throw short and they're going to jump all the short shit. So I think you say, no, fuck you. You do some type of boot.
00:29:49
Snooty
You do a double move or something and you just, you go deep or intermediate to deep. I'm not saying, you know, he's got to throw 80 yard go route or something like that, but like, you know, something a little bit further down the field.
00:29:59
savageboston
yeah Yeah, I mean, i think I'm excited for just anything to be different from
00:30:00
Snooty
So.
00:30:06
savageboston
what it's been. You know, I think it's like, I just, I really just couldn't do, I couldn't do last year's Mack Jones season again. I just couldn't, it's like hard on the psyche. You know what I mean? You live and die with the team for so long. And then you're like, all right, Cam Newton here. Okay, that was weird. Post Brady. Then you're like, oh, we got Mack Jones upside. And all of a sudden they start playing like shit the end of the year. They get blown out in like the wild card. You're like, okay.
00:30:33
savageboston
And then it was just abysmal for two full seasons. And now we're the third season, we got Drake and we're right back into abysmal. It's like, wow, we are that we are just in the early nineties, man.
00:30:43
savageboston
Like right now, like we can't get out of this. And I know it's awful.
00:30:47
Snooty
But that's the thing, it's like, but and I don't feel this is failure takes that type of, take that takes those facts and says, well, you shouldn't draft a quarterback. You shouldn't just draft a quarterback.
00:30:57
Snooty
And you're like, no, you have to keep drafting a quarterback.
00:30:59
savageboston
You have to.
00:31:01
Snooty
What you have to do is not not, I mean, obviously you want to hit on the quarterback, but you can't fucking whiff on everything else. And which is what they' that's really the problem is they've whiffed on free agency.
00:31:08
savageboston
yeah
00:31:11
Snooty
They haven't even really tried a free agency the past couple of years. um And they've, they've whiffed in the draft in so many spots. So it's like, it's one thing if like, so like the Mac Jones year, right?
00:31:21
Snooty
Their second round pick was bar more absolute stud, right?
00:31:24
savageboston
Start, yeah.
00:31:25
Snooty
So like, if you said you came away from that draft okay you whiffed on the quarterback but you hit like an all-pro level defensive tackle and you get there's someone else in that draft too like if you get two or three pieces out of that draft then you can say all right look we missed on the quarterback we're going to keep trying there obviously but like we hit on a few other pieces so the team is improving they've just whiffed everywhere for too long they've got middling or lower talent like tyquon thorton you know cole strange like you know
00:31:54
savageboston
it it fucked up in a lot of drafts i mean a lot of that was obviously belichick just like he just lost
00:31:59
Snooty
Well, I don't know how much of the Cold Strange draft was Belichick.
00:32:00
savageboston
i
00:32:01
Snooty
That was the first year that they brought in.
00:32:03
savageboston
macro was a macro i
00:32:04
Snooty
Yeah, it was Matt Groh and Wolf and everybody. It's like, okay, well, who was really, you know, cause that was so atypical for what they normally were.
00:32:08
savageboston
whatever made the the decision to but Whoever made the decision to draft a guard, regardless of the person, a guard in the first round, to me, that's a crime. Like like even the just the position value, especially at a position where you can find your really good players in like the fourth round.
00:32:25
savageboston
Like it just blew my mind. And now looking back, it's absolutely not Pandora. You know, it's not one of those, you're exactly like, wow, he's well he's a pretty good player. It's like, no, like that really didn't work.
00:32:37
savageboston
um The Isaiah Wynn draft pick um was just such a mess that that one really, again, they're chasing big time. They haven't been able to recoup from that because they wanted him to be their career tackle and it just he didn't work.
00:32:47
Snooty
yeah Yeah. Yeah, theoretically, he'd be here right now playing left tackle, right?
00:32:50
savageboston
So they fucked that up. Was that in the same draft Isaiah Wynn and Nikhil Harry?
00:32:56
Snooty
No, it was Isaiah when and Sony Michelle.
00:32:58
savageboston
Oh, yeah, OK. And Sony, I guess. Everyone's a goal. Sony helped to get the Super Bowls. like All right, well, you think Sony was the difference? i't yeah He had a great playoff shirt. But you don't think someone else can do that. like this is I'm just not high on that.
00:33:09
Snooty
Steve, so it I have a so when you take a quarterback, excuse me, I'm running back in the first round, there's there's.
00:33:11
savageboston
you know
00:33:16
Snooty
There's only one type of team where it's okay. If you are like, uh, and that's why I was okay. When they took a running back late in the first round, it was late. It wasn't early.
00:33:26
savageboston
Yeah.
00:33:26
Snooty
They were an older team that had Superbowl aspirations that was coming towards the end of their window.
00:33:32
savageboston
Yeah.
00:33:32
Snooty
Right. And they did it and it worked out fine.
00:33:34
savageboston
It worked, yeah.
00:33:35
Snooty
Right. So, but like, like the difference between that and say, say come Barkley or, you know, any of these other guys that they take, it's like, That's never going to work because by the time you're any good, the the running backs either going to be, have to get paid a ton of money, which is a waste, or they're going to be broken down or both.
00:33:52
Snooty
So it's like, it's right.
00:33:53
savageboston
The broccoli pick was not a good pick. ultimately
00:33:55
Snooty
Set that franchise back a decade. Um, that and the Daniel Jones back to back. Right. So it's like, you know, it it makes sense that like, there's all, there's very few teams taking a running back there that could make sense.
00:34:00
savageboston
Yeah.
00:34:08
savageboston
Yeah.
00:34:08
Snooty
I have no problem taking a guard early in the draft, but you can't miss.
00:34:12
savageboston
Yeah. And they missed after Nelson was sick.
00:34:13
Snooty
You take Quentin Nelson, you take Zach Martin, those are two Hall of Fame level guards, right?
00:34:17
savageboston
Yeah.
00:34:17
Snooty
There's two Hall of Fame level guards, and it works.
00:34:17
savageboston
ah drugs Yeah.
00:34:20
Snooty
That's fine. It's not the position, because sometimes the guard is the best player available.
00:34:25
savageboston
yeah I mean, we just can't be, we just, we just can't become, it's true.
00:34:26
Snooty
But you can't whiff.
00:34:30
savageboston
And I get why everyone's nervous and and maybe Felger's argument of like, Oh, don't take, don't take, um you know, don't take the quarterback and you know, you draft the wide receiver but and I don't agree with that.
00:34:41
savageboston
But I get the fear that they have of becoming the Jets or the Browns where these teams, maybe it's evaluation. Maybe it's the organization, but they keep trying to draft the guy and they constantly are failing the bears, you know, like they'll constantly draft people and fail, draft people fail. And like you and we've we've now had one shot with Mac and that was a bad evaluation. That was a fail. So here we are with Drake. We hope we have better evaluation skills with with all the team that built Elliott with Macadou.
00:35:12
savageboston
And I do think I see some serious upside. I think his character is excellent. So I'm really high on his character and his his desire to learn. Like, you know, no, he's not Andrew Luck coming out just like ready to be a bonafide pro off the bat. You know, Andrew Luck dragged that team to the postseason a bunch of times. You know, I know they got blown out by the Pats, but like he's still like for for how bad of a team that was, you know, that's pretty pretty amazing what Luck did.
00:35:40
savageboston
um And I think you don't want to be that so I'm hoping you know may is the first piece you got a hundred million cap space You're gonna draft a left tackle.
00:35:40
Snooty
Yeah.
00:35:49
savageboston
You can't miss you gotta draft the right guy draft a stud And then, you know, ultimately you have to sign some crazy, some serious talent. I mean, they're I don't know what free agents are available, but you gotta be at the front of the market at multiple positions.
00:36:05
savageboston
And then I think you can put together a solid team. They're like, there is a window here. It just all hinges on Drake May. So no pressure, kid.
00:36:12
Snooty
Oh, yeah, and entirely. No, but see, but here's the thing, like, I understand it hinges on Drake May. And like, ultimately, if he succeeds, you're, you're probably going to be good. Right. Cause even the lines with Stafford were, were okay.
00:36:22
savageboston
Yeah.
00:36:26
savageboston
Yeah.
00:36:26
Snooty
Right.
00:36:26
savageboston
you Yeah.
00:36:26
Snooty
And they sucked everywhere else except for Megatron and Stafford. Right. So I understand that, but. It's everything else. it's like though it's It's the same argument I had when people go, oh, Joe Thomas was a terrible pick at three overall.
00:36:40
Snooty
You don't take a tackle at third. I'm like, no, Joe Thomas was a Hall of Fame pick. But they just fucked up literally everything else, taking Brady Quinn at 22, and then taking Brandon Weedon, and then taking Johnny Manziel.
00:36:51
Snooty
And like you know what I mean?
00:36:52
savageboston
more This is more bad.
00:36:52
Snooty
like Everything else, they fucked up.
00:36:53
savageboston
This franchise is cursed. That is awful.
00:36:55
Snooty
Right. Right. So like, that's why you fuck up.
00:36:57
savageboston
That's horrible.
00:36:59
Snooty
It's like, it's not because of of that.
00:36:59
savageboston
Yeah.
00:37:01
Snooty
So like, I wanted, if we weren't going to take a quarterback, I want to take Joe Walt.
00:37:01
savageboston
Look at the Chiefs this year.
00:37:05
savageboston
Well, hold on. Look at the Chiefs this year. And we talk about those four things, like scheme, weapons, quarterback line, right? like What do they have? The pretty fantastic line.
00:37:16
savageboston
Obviously Mahomes. And they got you know Andy reading his scheme. And even you got an older Kelsey. And like Juju Smith wanted a 4-8-40.
00:37:28
savageboston
And they're still, don't matter, next next man up.
00:37:30
Snooty
Well, it's, I saw the, I heard a stat today from Andrew Kellyanne and it was, um, the Jacoby percent, the, it was like a truth and lie type stat thing.
00:37:41
Snooty
And it was like, reminder Stevenson averages, you get more yards per carry than air yards per completion from Brissett, which is crazy, but he's not the worst in the league.
00:37:41
savageboston
Yeah. Who?
00:37:51
Snooty
You know, who's 32nd in the league, Patrick Mahomes, but
00:37:53
savageboston
so You can see how he's throwing. He's got nobody. He's just trying to orchestrate drives with nobody.
00:37:59
Snooty
No, but like, but they won last year and they have like Caddarius Tony playing a major role. You know what I mean?
00:38:04
savageboston
Yeah.
00:38:04
Snooty
It's like, he sucks. And like, it's, it's coaching its game and he's a good quarterback, right?
00:38:07
savageboston
Coaching, scheme, any quarterback, and a great line.
00:38:12
Snooty
So he makes it work. He makes it work. Like, and I'm not, they're going to be very good. They're going to be in the deep end of the playoffs in the end. I've seen that, I've seen that, that movie for 20 years. They're, you know, they're the Patriots at that point.
Learning from the Chiefs' Success
00:38:25
Snooty
Like that's what they are.
00:38:25
savageboston
Yeah, they're just going to inevitably being like the divisional and probably the championship.
00:38:26
Snooty
They'll be fine.
00:38:30
savageboston
Unless a team plays, their defense is still really good too. And unless a team like the Ravens, I think the Ravens are pretty dangerous, but they got to play out of their minds.
00:38:35
Snooty
Yeah.
00:38:39
savageboston
And I have a really competitive, like I think Buffalo I thought was really good. Now they're just kind of falling off here. Cause they again have really a lack of talent. It's hard to keep talent. So maybe it's easier this approach that the, the, you know, the Pats did this approach and the chiefs are doing the same build where you get the right coach, you get the right scheme and you get the right quarterback.
00:39:00
savageboston
And then you, you, the weapons are what you keep bringing in and out, right?
00:39:04
Snooty
If you, I mean, Brady did it for so many years, right? Like if you have the quarterback, it's, let me put it another way to put this.
00:39:08
savageboston
Yeah.
00:39:12
Snooty
If you took May 3rd, if you hit on May, obviously everything, you have to hit on the quarterback. So um um that's just a starting point.
00:39:17
savageboston
Yeah.
00:39:18
Snooty
If you hit on the quarterback, is it easier to find a quarterback or easy to find linemen and receivers?
00:39:26
savageboston
yeah I mean, the quarterback is obviously the hardest position to hit the right one.
00:39:28
Snooty
Right. So like. You have to get the quarterback. So if you have a chance to take you it none of it means anything Unless you have a quarterback he loves the fell girl loves to praise the Steelers and all blah blah blah blah blah They they don't win anything unless you have a quarterback but Yeah, no, I know but like but like when but when he started to fall off right like towards the end of his career and then since then
00:39:44
savageboston
I mean, they had Roethlisberger's will be a hall of famer. You know? <unk> Yeah.
00:39:56
Snooty
It's like, yeah okay, cool. They win six, seven, eight games, nine games, would or no, heaven, I lose in season. So eight, nine games or whatever, but like they're real contenders because they don't have a quarterback. So that's your ceiling.
00:40:07
Snooty
So at some point you have to pull the trigger and go for a guy. You have to, but that doesn't mean you, but he makes it seem like you have to like ah abandon trying to improve everywhere else.
00:40:10
savageboston
I really like David Daniels.
00:40:16
Snooty
It's like, no, no, no. You, you do that at the same time. The bad teams just whiff on all that too.
00:40:19
savageboston
Yeah. Yeah. I think I really like Jayden Daniels. I think he's really, really good, really accurate. And he's got so lucky with Cliff Kingsbury. They're just like a perfect match.
00:40:30
Snooty
or like he could be gone from Washington after this year and Daniels could get hurt. Like, who knows? It gets way too early into this stuff.
00:40:35
savageboston
Yeah, you you don't know. Same with Kayla Williams. I think Kayla Williams has a better build, obviously, than Jane Daniels. like More solid guy.
00:40:42
Snooty
Yeah.
00:40:42
savageboston
And he's got some freaky ability, too. like people If you watch his clips, he's got some crazy throws, man. So like he's got all the ability. But he's kind of a head case. so it's like You don't know. ah Drake May, the good news is I don't think he's a head case at all. I think he's a good dude. He's got a good family. He's like blue chip personality and great tools. And it's like you just need the the reading, the developing, the learning. That part has to happen now.
00:41:08
savageboston
so All right, I'm going to end it because we'll just keep going. So I'm going to end it at 41 minutes. All right, thanks guys for tuning in. Drake May is your QB1 starting quarterback for the Patriots.
00:41:20
savageboston
So looking forward to watching him this Sunday.
00:41:24
Snooty
See ya.
00:41:24
savageboston
And I will see you guys later. Peace.