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EPISODE 19 - Featuring ScoutD, 2025 Patriots NFL draft preview
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NFL draft talk. enjoy!
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Podcast Introduction and Guests
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Savage Boston
All right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here today, as always, with Snooty Boston, who is back on Twitter now after a long hiatus, which is great to see him back on there. And we're joined by a special guest today.
Introducing Scout D, the Scouting Master
00:00:15
Savage Boston
we got the kind of the the new up-and-comer master of scouting here.
00:00:22
Savage Boston
We've had some really great takes over the last few years about kind of some guys he really likes in the draft and and and watching them pan out. We got Scout D.
00:00:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Thank you.
00:00:31
Savage Boston
Dan, so yeah, welcome Dan, welcome to the pod.
00:00:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Awesome. Thank you guys for having me.
Senior Bowl Insights
00:00:37
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Happy to be here.
00:00:37
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, good stuff. So yeah, yeah, all right, just a dive in, right? We're gonna, again, very informal, but You know, Dan was just down at the the senior goal and, you know, got some cool interviews down there too, which was awesome. But ah just to throw it out to him quick, Dan or Scout D, whatever we, however you want to be ah labeled on the pod. um You know, how did you just like the whole experience of going down there and and getting to chat with some of the players and seeing what's going on?
00:01:05
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, absolutely. um Honestly, it was an incredible weekend. I think for anyone who's in this space at all in any capacity, definitely something that you should do at some point in time. It's just, it's such a conducive environment for people who want to talk to guys in the space and even who want to network. um And it's really cool because the guys who are at the top, like the general managers and the rapper ports and all those guys who are the big names there. They're so open to talking to anyone, whether you're the smallest account, they're the biggest guy. um It really doesn't matter. I think everyone's just so open to talking. And then in addition to that, just seeing some of these prospects up close, seeing what their personalities are like, um seeing the mannerisms and and just the way they carry themselves. And then also just getting to see them compete against each other. I think it's it's an awesome opportunity.
00:01:58
Savage Boston
Nice. who So, I mean, I guess as far as before we get into specific to the Patriots, why don't you go through, because you were there and I know you got a lot of solid solid looks at guys, who stood out to you?
00:02:11
Savage Boston
um I know obviously, we you know, we could talk about Mike Green as your boy, Mike Green, but, and feel free to talk about him, but who stood out to you the most at the at the Senior Bowl this past weekend?
00:02:15
Snooty
Thank you.
00:02:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I mean, well, my mike green to start, you you hit it right there. I think that was a guy who came in with some questions. You know, he was obviously very high on my board going into the weekend. um But I think some other people had questions about, you know, the level of competition and some of those measurements and the percentiles of those. And he really just came in there and and took care of business right away.
00:02:46
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, so, so very straightforward assessment for anyone there watching Mike green.
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Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:02:51
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, but in terms of guys who actually had a lot more to gain, I think, you know, the big guys swirling around or some of those receivers specifically for me, Jack batch was like awesome.
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Savage Boston
Hmm.
00:03:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
He was someone that you're going to start seeing a lot of on Twitter. Um, but deservedly so like this guy is. he's a converted tight end so there's still some developmental things that he's progressing with um but just someone who it's hard to explain but i think if this makes any sense he shares some sort of dna with guys like puka and gronk and like Brock Bowers and just this toughness after the catch and this tenacity that he plays with. um And the size too, I think he's 6'2", 215. And all of that was just on full display. Like he was incredible at the catch point. He looked efficient in his releases. He was just a very strong coordinated guy who's clearly someone who's going to succeed in any position that he plays, um in any role that he has on the field. So that's definitely someone who stood out.
00:03:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And also, you know, the I think the whole week was dedicated to him and his brother who passed away and in that attack.
00:04:01
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:04:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So to come out there and do what he did and carry the way, carry himself the way that he did was was really great to see.
00:04:11
Savage Boston
Yeah. Hit a big, hit had a really big weekend. Stu, why don't you go? I know you have a bunch of questions. Why don't you god give a couple of your questions out?
00:04:16
Snooty
Sure. So kind of following along Savage's point, um kindda where were there anybody was there anybody that disappointed last week that really hurt their draft stock last week?
00:04:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think if you look at the quarterbacks, I think Milrow obviously not pertaining too much to the Patriots, but I think Milrow had a lot to gain coming into that weekend. um You know, in a class where we obviously know it's not the strongest in terms of the quarterback position, I think he had a really big chance to potentially solidify himself as a top guy and and really make a name for himself there and and boost his stock. And to be frank, not only did he not do that, but he just didn't look really like an NFL quarterback in any capacity in that, I guess, environment. um But it was interesting. A lot of people thought Jackson Dart was the opposite where, where he actually did do that and he did boost his stock. But personally watching that myself and also a lot of the guys that I was speaking with, watching it with,
00:05:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um I didn't think Jackson Dart did that either. So I thought all around like it was a pretty rough week for the quarterbacks. um I guess the environment that they're in, a lot of it is like they're still establishing this chemistry with these new receivers and you don't really have the timing with them yet. So it is a hard environment to judge them in, but I thought the quarterback group as a whole was very underwhelming. So it's good that we were able to get our QB last year.
00:05:43
Savage Boston
You know what I heard about ah Jackson Dartman is I heard he's got the hardest working PR team in the country.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
oh yeah yeah well
00:05:51
Savage Boston
That's what I heard.
Manipulating Draft Stock Perceptions
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Savage Boston
Because I don't know where the fuck people are coming from saying that all of a sudden he needs to be a first round pick.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, it's, it's, that's the one thing that I've really learned about the draft since I started doing this is like 99.9% of what you're going to hear from these reports, um, is driven by what the agents can get you to say.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like these guys, like Dan Orlovski, for example, who will prop up quarterbacks at any chance they get like.
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Savage Boston
crazy
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
they're incentivized to do so. Like they have people from these quarterbacks camps reaching out to them to get them to do that. And so it is and that's honestly part of why I started my account is to be able to say what I want to say and not really have an obligation of who I can talk about and which players I have to rank where.
00:06:37
Savage Boston
Crazy. Yeah.
00:06:44
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I was honestly shocked by that, like,
00:06:44
Savage Boston
yeah
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
The sentiment coming out of it for me and everyone I was watching it with and everyone I spoke to in Mobile was, it wasn't that Jackson Dart was bad by any means, but he just didn't do anything at all to separate himself.
00:07:00
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um Like there was, there was nothing really that caught your eye with him. And then you come away from the weekend and you hear all of these reports that he's, he's going first around and he had, he boosted his stock so much.
00:07:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So a little.
00:07:12
Savage Boston
Yeah, I think it's crazy. I don't, I think it's, you know, like I said, that you don't know who's being objective. And this is the hardest part with any, any kind of like sports take in the world of information and money. Like, you know, I even bring, you know, my own Twitter, right? My Twitter, like I have people message me all the time. Like, Hey, can you share this? Hey, tweet this. Hey, like people, and some people don't, they don't get into that game. And I have a lot of people will like, will ask for stuff. I can't imagine if you have the platform Cause like my platform is relatively small.
00:07:43
Savage Boston
Do you know what I mean? Like, like if you have Daniel Vlasky's platform in a national network, like do they, like, I don't even know, does it ever get financial?
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
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Savage Boston
I mean, does it like a hand you know behind the scenes handshake? Like, I don't know.
00:07:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Oh, thank God.
00:07:55
Savage Boston
How do you stay objective?
00:07:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Those guys who have that type of platform, like they're constantly behind the scenes advising some of these players. um Like I know for a fact that Dan Orlovsky wanted to be an advisor of Drake May last year in the process.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And so early on, he was someone who was talking about Drake in a very favorable light, right?
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Savage Boston
It's crazy.
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like he was saying, oh, watch out for Drake May to be the first overall pick. Like he's right there with Caleb.
00:08:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And then all of a sudden you kind of saw like a shift in tone with him a little where he went, he went rogue.
00:08:26
Savage Boston
He did.
00:08:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And so that's kind of, at least from my knowledge and what I've been told is like, there's a lot of guys who are like representing a player in a sense in the media. And so it, I think a lot of people's opinions when they have that type of platform is often dictated by, you know, what's going on behind the scenes, who, what relationships they've formed, what they're getting out of it.
00:08:52
Snooty
It's just another layer to the lying season, right? Like it's teams lie, agents lie all the time. That's like what that's their job is. um And then obviously, I mean, like you said, now it's, you've got announcers and you know, got theoretically guys who are evaluating just the tape in the film, you know, not lying, but at least twisting, you know, kind of the message or what they say. It's just makes it even harder to decipher exactly kind of what's going on.
00:09:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
100% and I think that's like the most difficult part of draft season. It's it's just second guessing what you think you know and what you're hearing. um Like the first mock draft that I put out last year in I think it was maybe like February, some some point around this time last year. And I look back on the success of that mock draft and it had like I think it was like 12 of 32 team to player matches, correct.
00:09:46
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, but then I fast forward to April and I look at my mock draft, you know, the day before the draft and it's less accurate than what it was in February.
00:09:52
Savage Boston
Nice.
00:09:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So it's interesting to see that. And I think a lot of opinions are very motivated by just what teams want you to hear and and what agents can get out of you. So so
Speculating Top Draft Picks
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Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
that's definitely something that I always try to get people to consider when thinking about this information.
00:10:08
Savage Boston
Yeah. Interesting.
00:10:13
Savage Boston
Well, I wonder about, so we talk about, um you know, talk about like the top four for a second, right? When you think about, okay, who's team's working hard? Who's PR team's working hard?
00:10:23
Savage Boston
And like, I think, excuse me, I think like Cam Ward's team is working pretty darn hard now because the, you know, the Titans, even, what is it, Burgazi or whatever, the mask guy came out and was like, we're going to take an elite talent player, right?
00:10:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:10:37
Savage Boston
We're going to get an elite talent player.
00:10:37
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:10:38
Savage Boston
So everyone says, oh, they're going to get Abdul Carter. They're going to get Travis Hunter, whatever. And all of a sudden, people now, after the Senior Bowl weekend, are like, ooh, who is it? Someone leaked a report the other day where they're like, I'm hearing whispers that Cam Ward is really going to go first overall.
00:10:51
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah Yeah.
00:10:52
Savage Boston
I just don't like, where is that coming from?
00:10:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, it's 100%. You're right. And that's like another example of exactly, I think, what we're talking about here. um don't know I think closer to the draft with the first couple picks, you'll always get a little more clarity like once it gets to, you know, the after the combine and closer to March and April. But yeah, as of now, it's a lot of guys just trying to make this effort to to make it seem like something it's not.
00:11:21
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's it's crazy. I'd say um the first four picks. So kind of how I envision it right now. And, and you know, everyone online is all crazy about what the Patriots going to do, what they should do. That's part of the fun is like trying to guess or ah predict what they're actually going to accomplish. Right. But like my opinion, both Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter, as of right now, will not be there when the Patriots select at four. That's that's my opinion. It's my opinion right now. Time stamp February 4th, twenty twenty five, eight thirty eight p.m.
00:11:51
Savage Boston
You know, like, i don't I don't think they're going to be there. And I think I'm not sure which team is going to take who. But like someone like Shudur Sanders, people are saying like he has to jump up into the top four for one of those two elite players to follow to the Patriots. I don't think even though teams are quarterback desperate, they just can't. I don't think they can take that player with the top three pick.
00:12:14
Savage Boston
I don't see it happening. Like he would have been a a third rounder in a different draft. Like I don't, this isn't, it's, it doesn't feel realistic. So I think both those top two elite players are gone. So how do you kind of envision like your mock for that? Like the top four?
00:12:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, for sure. So I think where I would start in these mock drafts is the giants in the sense that If there's a quarterback available at three to New York, I think that's the team that definitely will take one.
00:12:41
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, just because Joe Shane and Brian Dable, like they know they don't have much job security. They might be safe for this year. Um, but they know that if their season disappoints next year, they're gone essentially, no matter what, even if their draft turns out well, it's, it's very hard to justify.
00:12:58
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
keeping them around another year for a losing season. um And so even if they're able to get the superior player in a guy like Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, it's just not going to impact the amount of wins that it would if they draft a quarterback.
00:13:13
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I think for them, they're in a position where if they were to draft one of those other players, they're not even going to be there to see it out. So I think for them, that's the team that they'll go 100% quarterback if one is available.
00:13:26
Savage Boston
Mm hmm.
00:13:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um And then it kind of just comes down to a 50-50 chance of whether one of three things happen. Whether the Titans take a quarterback, whether the Browns take a quarterback, or whether a team comes out of nowhere. Maybe it's the Raiders or the Saints or some wildcard team that moves up and wants one of those quarterbacks.
00:13:46
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
so i Think it kind of comes down to a 50-50 of whether one of those three scenarios could come in and Take that second quarterback in which that case the Patriots would have one of these guys available to them at four But I think it's interesting like like you said I think it's easy for us to kind of sit here and say that those quarterbacks aren't worth taking at one two or three but at the same time like
00:14:10
Savage Boston
Mm hmm.
00:14:12
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think you ought to put yourself in the position of a new GM where it's like, if let's say the Titans pass up on cam board and he goes to the Giants and has a ton of success right away, which he could, you know, he's not the same level prospect as some other guys that we've seen in the past couple of years, but he could very well go to a team and have really solid early success. And in that case, a first year GM could already be on the hot seat if the Titans don't have a great season.
00:14:42
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, so i I think it puts a lot of just positional pressure on you, where if you do have some form of confidence in a quarterback, it's always going to be in the back of your mind just from like a pressure standpoint to take them. So I think that definitely benefits the Patriots a little bit.
00:15:02
Savage Boston
yeah it's ah Yeah, I think it's, like we said, I think it's a it's unpredictable, obviously, but I just don't see, you know, we can compare it to last season, right? Like when when you look at the quarterbacks and obviously you got, you know, the Cable Williams, Jay Daniels, Drake May, um you know, JJ McCarthy, Panax, and Bo Nix, right?
00:15:18
Snooty
Thank
00:15:20
Savage Boston
We have six quarterbacks.
00:15:23
Snooty
you.
00:15:23
Savage Boston
Cam Ward, if he's in that class, where does Cam Ward go?
00:15:32
Savage Boston
Do you know what I mean? like Because again, in my opinion, he's probably sixth after panics.
00:15:32
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I mean yeah well I mean I guess I guess panics went before McCarthy but I think if you
00:15:44
Savage Boston
yeah eight And then McCarthy went whatever, 12 or something, I forget.
00:15:46
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, but I think if you were to pull like all of the executives in the league, honestly, before that happened, I think in that order, after it would be JJ McCarthy, Cam Ward, PENEX, NYX, and Shader would probably be right there with PENEX, just because of
00:16:04
Savage Boston
So it's like, so you, so if you compare it, this is like how they should look at it in some way too. It's like, if you're comparing to what we view as a pretty good quarterback class last year, right? With a potentially top three elite players, you know, like where would these guys fit in a real quarterback class? And like, if you're talking about these guys would be the sixth quarterback taken in a draft, how can you then justify taking them, you know, third overall or something like that?
00:16:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I think also in our favor, I think Shader is going to be very well marketed in this process.
00:16:40
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:16:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think Dion Dion's going to be in a lot of teams ears and he's going to be putting pressure on people and he's really going to be selling his son. ah And it's very easy, I think, to get influenced into drafting a player, especially when these decisions can cost you millions.
00:16:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And, you know, you don't have that much job security. So I think when you look at it from that perspective, I do definitely think there's a chance that two quarterbacks are off the board. But I agree with you in the sense that while we're sitting here, evaluating it from a level headed perspective, like looking at which players are actually a good value there and and what's best for long term, I agree it, it doesn't really make sense for those first two teams to go quarterback.
00:17:24
Snooty
So to me, if you kind of extend what Savage is talking about, if you presume that one of the quarterbacks is going to fall to four, right? If you go with that, to me, and assuming Abdul Carter, you know, obviously isn't there at that point, no nor Travis Hunter, to me, the dr the question then becomes, do you trade down? And if so, kind of, if not, who are you
Will Campbell's NFL Potential
00:17:47
Snooty
targeting? Because you're obviously not going to take a quarterback at four.
00:17:50
Snooty
I'm interested to see your opinion hear your opinion on this. Can Will will Campbell play left tackle in the NFL? A lot of mixed reviews, a lot of questions about his arm length and things like that. Can he play left tackle in the NFL?
00:18:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think Will Campbell can play left tackle in the NFL, but I don't think you're getting like a rock there that you're confident in for 10 years. I think you're getting a decent starter who won't be an issue there, who will be solid at and can play football. I don't think it'll be necessarily a major strength of your team, um which is why I think at four, it's definitely trying too hard to plug a hole. um I think it would definitely solve an issue compared to where we were in 2024. But I just think when you look at kind of the alternatives of maybe what you could get at a free agency, maybe what you could get out of a second round pick, I don't think it would be that far off from what Will Campbell is going to give you at left tackle immediately.
00:18:53
Snooty
Right, because he's a young kid, right? So he's only like 20, I think, right?
00:18:55
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:18:56
Snooty
So he probably 21 by the time the season starts.
00:18:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:18:59
Snooty
So I know some of the questions about his physical play strength, you know, bull rushes and things like that. I'm less concerned with that, just knowing how young he is and getting an NFL weight program for a couple of years and you'll fill out. But kind of a follow-up question, if you're not going to target tackle at four, it seems like the depth or the real value for the tackles in this draft, offensive tackles in this draft is kind of that late first kind of second round type of area.
00:19:29
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yep.
00:19:29
Snooty
um And i was I was looking at your board and you have Josh Simmons as your otakl2 over banks.
00:19:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:19:36
Snooty
I think you have banks at four or five.
00:19:38
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:19:38
Snooty
um I haven't seen anybody else have that. So kind of what makes Simmons a better prospect to you or what makes banks a worse prospect, I guess.
00:19:47
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, sure. So I think if Josh Simmons hadn't gotten injured this year, he's likely the first tackle off the board when it's all said and done. um I think his film is just by far the cleanest, technically. um And so i I am obviously not a doctor and so I can't really Comment too far on his medicals.
00:20:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I did have a friend though who's kind of in um In that space who who did a write-up for me that I'm gonna post soon and it it doesn't seem like his Medicals are too concerning.
00:20:21
Savage Boston
What was his injuries?
00:20:21
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I So they actually didn't disclose it online they said it was a knee injury but based on my friend's report I believe he told me that it was likely an ACL and
00:20:22
Savage Boston
If you don't mind me for a second, what did he injure?
00:20:27
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:20:34
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:20:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I don't know how that fits in with the Patriots plans in terms of like wanting a guy to come out day one and be ready to go in training camp. um But I just think if you're looking at it purely without injury from just the film perspective, I just think he's essentially better at everything. Like I think he's more athletic. I think he's more technical. I i think both of their anchors are not like elite level, like I don't, I think they have okay power. Um, but I just think Josh Simmons is a much cleaner prospect on film. And so if injuries aren't a worry for a team, I think that he's definitely the better pick.
00:21:18
Savage Boston
I think if you did an ACL, so like um I do know a bit about injuries because I'm ah i'm a physical therapist. so basically you know if you're
00:21:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Nice.
00:21:28
Savage Boston
You know, with the ACL, I don't know, depending when he tore it, depends like on, you know, obviously how quickly he'll be ready. But like, most ACLs guys are rocking pretty good at like nine months now.
00:21:39
Savage Boston
It used to be like 12 plus.
00:21:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:21:40
Savage Boston
And now, you know, Adrian Peterson played at six months post ACL, which is very rare, but he was a freak.
00:21:43
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Wow.
00:21:45
Savage Boston
um But that's unusual.
00:21:46
Snooty
Yeah, Greek.
00:21:48
Savage Boston
Anyway, so, you know, with the tackle position, though, you know, the way I see it right now, because we've been talking about the draft row, analyzing what again that the Patriots gonna do mostly but I just don't if you're if you don't believe in Will Campbell and part of this were truly boils down to like what does Elliott Wolf believe you know and this is the hard parts I'm not in Elliott Wolf's head so if if Carter's gone if Travis Hunter are gone which again are my two elite options at fourth overall
00:22:05
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:22:15
Savage Boston
The third player that I like a lot, and I don't know how elite he might be, he could be a really great player, is Mason Graham, which a lot of people talk about.
00:22:22
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:22:24
Savage Boston
He's a very quick, pretty dynamic interior tackle who could generate pressure. He might wreak a lot of havoc in like a micro-variable defense. So I'm kind of interested in Mason Graham. But if if you know basically, do you feel like the Patriots should stick and pick and get that talent like just best available like Mason Graham?
Patriots' Draft Strategy
00:22:46
Savage Boston
Or do you have to trade down? Because again, in my opinion, I think the Raiders are such an obvious trade partner um because they can hop up and get Shador and you might be able to get an extra like two or something like that or three.
00:22:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:22:59
Savage Boston
So so yeah, should they stick and pick or do you try to maximize what you got?
00:23:04
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. So I think the threshold for trading down is are you getting a first round pick next year? I think if you're getting a first round pick next year, I'm all ears and and I'm looking into it because the class that you're looking at next year is likely going to be a lot better.
00:23:13
Savage Boston
be legit
00:23:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Whereas if you're more so getting, let's say Vegas is sixth pick and then their early second. That early second could net you a very solid player, but it's not a.
00:23:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
In considering the strength of this class, it's not going to be an elite selection. Like when I'm putting together my big board and I'm getting more so to the 35, 36, 37, 38 range, it's starting to get to players where I'm not like.
00:23:43
Savage Boston
We'll be legit.
00:23:48
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
so sold on as an early second round pick. um And so I think the only threshold where I would consider it is if I'm getting that extra first. um And if I can't get that extra first, I'm staying there and I'm i'm picking Mason Graham.
00:24:03
Snooty
What about Will Johnson?
00:24:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I like Will Johnson a lot. I just don't know. Not even positional value, I just don't think that the Patriots are in a position where they can take a quarterback at four.
00:24:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think that they're like, it's very hard. It's very difficult to win football games if you don't have at least a good or okay offensive line and or defensive line. Like if you're really deficient in the trenches on both sides, like it's very hard to win. um And I think if you get Will Johnson, like you're immediately making your secondary a strength.
00:24:42
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
But I just think it's a lot easier to find that position. And especially in this class, like this cornerback class, there is potential guys that you might be getting in the third, fourth round that could be legitimate cornerback twos. Um, like I think your best case scenario at, I think what picks 69 77, one of those.
00:25:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like you could potentially get a player like Maxwell Hairston, who I got to see at the Senior Bowl, who was phenomenal. And then even later down the board, like a guy like Quincy Riley, who's right now projected to go in like the fourth round. um I just think there's a lot of depth at that position. And so I'd i'd probably be more comfortable taking a guy like Graham.
00:25:25
Savage Boston
Graham is, I mean, he is a really dynamic player. I've watched obviously a lot of, you know, a decent amount of highlights and tape from him. I like how quick he is. Like he reminds me of, you know, a not as good Chris Jones or something.
00:25:37
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, yeah, that's honest.
00:25:38
Savage Boston
You're like, like not as big, not as good, but, um, but he looks like he can gash, like he can get upfield and create pressure.
00:25:43
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
For sure.
00:25:45
Savage Boston
And and if he's not being asked to do what you know, a Belichick de-tackle would have to do, like, like, Godchow. Like, here's the difference in philosophy, right, between the tackles is, you know, Godchow, who's a good de-tackle, that's a Belichick guy.
00:25:58
Savage Boston
He needs to be big, he needs to play two gaps, he needs to eat space, right, eat blockers. But, in the Vrabel scheme, where you need guys getting upfield and juddering pressure from the interior a little more, you know, Mason Graham maybe fits that a lot better, and Godchow is someone you trade, ah you trade away, honestly.
00:25:58
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:26:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean.
00:26:17
Savage Boston
um You know, there's a lot of options like that. So I think Graham can absolutely fit. But again, we're just back to being stuck with offensive tackle again, because ah the team has a million needs and a lot of money. But with offensive tackle, I don't trust, I don't trust Campbell at four. I'm not taking Campbell at four.
00:26:35
Savage Boston
That's really high for no tackle you're not confident with. If you do trade down though like or you stick and pick Mason Graham, I love the prospect of the idea of trading back up into the first round.
00:26:46
Savage Boston
I've done some like some tweets about basically draft currency charts where you could trade your 68 or 77 plus your you know, plus your second and you can jump back and get up to like between 23 and 25 somewhere in that area.
00:26:46
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:27:01
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:27:03
Savage Boston
So how do you feel like how do you feel like hitting on a tackle at that area of someone like Josh Connerly? um How do you feel about that scenario?
00:27:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think that's one of the ideal scenarios. So just to touch on Connor Lee a little. um I think he could be a very good player, but I don't think it'll be in the Patriots system.
00:27:22
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like I think when you look at him and
00:27:23
Savage Boston
Not big enough.
00:27:24
Snooty
He looks small.
00:27:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, like watching his film and also seeing him up close like the way he wins is he's extremely technical. He's very nimble. He's very quick. Like he's he's more so winning with his technicality and it was on full display.
00:27:38
Savage Boston
Mm hmm.
00:27:38
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I think if you put him on a team, for example, like the dolphins where you're more so asking him to get into space and Climb the second level and do things that he's good at doing he might very well become one of the better tackles in the class um But I don't know if his skill sets necessarily a match in New England um I think I would probably look at four guys, three guys that we could do that with that would make sense for the Patriots.
00:28:08
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And that would probably be Ursary from Minnesota, Maloon from West Virginia, or Donovan Jackson from Ohio State.
00:28:11
Snooty
Mm hmm.
00:28:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um I think those three guys are probably one of them you'll have a chance to either trade up for or stick and pick at 38 who can legitimately play left tackle um at ah at a decent level.
00:28:17
Savage Boston
Big boy.
00:28:30
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think There's one more enticing option who's actually the highest ranked of those on my board and that's Mambu from Missouri. But the only issue is he he played right tackle in college and I just don't know if the Patriots are gonna be comfortable going down that route and and trying to convert a right tackle to left tackle again.
00:28:52
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I don't know how okay they'll be doing that. I don't know how okay I would be doing that, but I mean,
00:28:56
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know.
00:28:58
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
He like Mambu is a lot better than Kaden Wallace and he is truly a favorite among a lot of people who, who do this. Um, and so I think he could be a phenomenal option if, if they do have a plan, but Oh yeah, he's right now.
00:29:11
Savage Boston
I've seen Nambu taken up at like 10th overall.
00:29:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think he's, let me check. Um, probably like my 13th ranked player or something like that.
00:29:21
Savage Boston
That's right. I've seen some like wacky stuff.
00:29:23
Snooty
Yeah.
00:29:24
Savage Boston
But like if they're watching these dudes, they're watching more memboo than me.
00:29:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, he's he's my 13th ranked player.
00:29:28
Savage Boston
you know yeah He must be a mauler. And he's an interior alignment.
00:29:32
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
is
00:29:32
Snooty
These are the right tackle.
00:29:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
he So he played right tackle, I think majority of his career.
00:29:36
Savage Boston
All right, Tago.
00:29:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I don't know, I obviously can't speak to like what he'd be able to do with left tackle or that type of transition, but I mean, If those reports are true, that Skarnakia could be back in the building for some practices and around and and helping out.
00:29:52
Snooty
Yeah.
00:29:53
Savage Boston
I love that.
00:29:55
Snooty
Game changer.
00:29:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I mean, that might influence a decision like this, where you're a little more comfortable with someone who hasn't necessarily had that experience or might need a little bit of refinement, um as opposed to last year where you don't really have a developmental system.
00:29:57
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:03
Savage Boston
Mm hmm.
00:30:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And it's a little unrealistic to expect a guy to move under that coaching program.
00:30:16
Savage Boston
How big is bamboo?
00:30:16
Snooty
so
00:30:18
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Mambu, let me see what I have here. um
00:30:21
Savage Boston
Then you can ask you ask your questions.
00:30:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Let's see, Mambu is, I think he's like six, four, three, 15, something like that. It's like normal tackle size, um but I don't know, he's very physical, just like really compact center of gravity.
00:30:30
Savage Boston
Yeah, regular 12.
00:30:37
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Like he's a mauler, but he's also very athletic. um Yeah, so I like him a lot. I think a lot of people like him. It's just, can you get over that hump of, wanting him to transition to left tackle.
00:30:50
Snooty
Well, so I have two points about that. They do need a right tackle as well. I mean, you could argue that their right tackle situation was worse than their left tackle situation.
00:30:56
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeahp Yeah.
00:31:00
Snooty
Um, given they went through what four left tackles or excuse me, four right tackles last year.
00:31:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:31:05
Snooty
Um, does having, let's say scar is more involved and they have a more sustainable system. Does that open up the door for someone like Cameron Williams in the second round? So guy big big guy, but needs, you know, ah again, a right tackle, big guy, but needs, needs a lot of work needs some, some experience and a lot of work.
00:31:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think so.
00:31:25
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I think so. I think, you know, Elia Wolf was probably very cognizant, um, coming into this year that, you know, he, he had to be aware of who his coaches were. And I think as easy as, as it is to say that a lot of those draft picks were bad.
00:31:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, a lot of them were also set up for failure because they weren't really getting that development. And so I think it's a, it's going to be a little bit different where he might be more comfortable making those type of picks this year around when he knows that he has a legitimate and experienced coaching staff in place.
00:31:57
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I definitely do think that that could influence things and make them a little more willing to potentially take a tackle that scene is a little more raw. um But it's interesting to like look at, for example, Doug Morone's history of drafting and the guys that he's worked with a tackle, um because those guys are all monsters.
00:32:17
Snooty
Yeah they're big.
00:32:17
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
and so I don't know how realistic it would be. I mean, I had this in my last mock, but in reality, I don't know how realistic it would be for them to go after a guy like Maloom, who I do really like. And I do think he can play tackle. And, you know, he was exactly what you want from a character perspective when I met him, but he has shorter arm length. So I don't know if they're going to be as willing to go after a guy like that. I think it's probably more likely that they're going to go after an Ursary or
00:32:49
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
a Cameron Williams or an Anthony Belton a little later, or a Richard PO, someone of that nature who kind of like fits the history a little bit more.
00:32:59
Snooty
It looked like Belton had a really good week in Mobile.
00:33:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
He is very good.
00:33:02
Snooty
Every time I saw him, he was doing well well on both sides of the ball, or both sides of that tackle.
00:33:07
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
A hundred percent. Yeah, he's really good. And he's I think he's one of the more experienced left tackles in this class. Like, I don't know the exact numbers. But I think if you were to put it all together, the amount of starts at left tackle, I think he'd be right up at the top. um So I do think he's someone that if you're looking for a guy to come out day one and actually be solid in that left tackle spot, if you can't get a guy in free agency, I definitely think he's up there. And his value also, like he's projected significantly lower than a lot of these guys right now, which I don't know how that will actually play out on draft day, but I mean, it's interesting to kind of just like look at that data and see.
00:33:49
Snooty
Because if you can get I think it was Ross Tucker was on one of the stations around here and He was saying you don't need five Pro Bowl caliber players on the old line You just need five guys who don't suck basically if you have five Moderately decent guys who are at least consistent You'll be okay, right?
00:34:00
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:34:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
A hundred percent.
00:34:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
A hundred percent.
00:34:10
Snooty
And it's like I had this argument for Matt light for all those years Like was he a top five offensive tackle in the league? No. Was he a top 10 offensive tack in the league? Yeah.
00:34:20
Snooty
You know, towards the lower end of that 10, but he was steady and he was consistent. So that's, that's fine. You know what I mean? You don't need, you know, huge, you know, ginormous offensive tackles that are, you know, going to the pool every year.
00:34:34
Snooty
I mean, obviously it would be nice. Don't get me wrong, but
00:34:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
100%.
00:34:36
Savage Boston
But you just need to, you need to overhaul the position group though. This is the hard part, right? Is there's basically like, you need to replace three-fifths of the O-line. Has to be different by the start of the next season.
00:34:45
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:47
Savage Boston
And, okay, if you want to start Leighton Robinson or like City Sow apparently is dead.
00:34:48
Snooty
I think they might have enough people for the interior 3 for now.
00:34:55
Savage Boston
I don't know what happened to him or why he can't play.
00:34:56
Snooty
Like so my point is between and when you strange Andrews So and Robinson You might have enough pieces where you can you can piece something together that it's it's okay I'm not saying it's good, but it's okay and you can focus your your resources on tackle which needs a complete overhaul and
00:35:13
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:35:20
Savage Boston
I just think you gotta, you have to sign one tackle.
00:35:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:35:23
Savage Boston
I mean, that is period. You have to, whether that is you somehow get Ronnie Stanley, which is like the dream, or maybe you'd go down to Alaric Jackson for more lambs, but like you have to really sign one tackle.
00:35:34
Savage Boston
And again, dream guard is someone like Trey Smith, which I don't know how much money he'd command a free agency, but if you can come away dream scenario with like Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith or Alex Jackson and Trey Smith and then you, you draft, you know, you're somehow get it, get an O tackle like, uh, whatever belt and whoever camera William, you know what I mean?
00:35:53
Savage Boston
You get like another tackle in the draft.
00:35:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:35:55
Savage Boston
Then like that to me is a true overall. And then you have a real line. And that's how, that's how you actually win football games. I mean, like Drake may, we all believe can be a really good player. We all believe can be a pretty special player. And I think what he did last year with a truly like 32 out of 32 ranked talent. I mean, that, that team last year and offense was the literally the 32nd ranked receiver group and a 32nd ranked O-line group. So like, I find what Drake did amazing.
00:36:25
Savage Boston
So I'm just hoping for obviously, um, you know, they're going to have a ton of turnover.
00:36:31
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Definitely.
00:36:31
Savage Boston
absolutely
00:36:32
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think one thing too, that not a lot of people have talked about is and you know, you don't want to like cling to this perspective, you obviously want to add more talent. But I think, I think the roster is just going to get such a natural boost from being under a legitimate coaching regime who's been there before and, you know, is able to
00:36:42
Savage Boston
True.
00:36:48
Savage Boston
true
00:36:49
Snooty
Mm hmm.
00:36:51
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I'm not going to call them one of the better coaching staffs, but I think that they at least provide a floor to you where you know that you're going to get competent football, no matter what happens. It's not going to be a scenario like it was last year where you have no confidence in any of these coaches outside of maybe Jeremy Springer.
00:37:08
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, so I think just off that of just one, the culture of people buying in with Rabel and him holding people accountable and just really having a more structured building.
00:37:09
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:37:18
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And, and then in addition, having these experienced coaches, you know, providing them with proper day to day stuff to get them to actually emerge. I think there's guys on our our roster like Akiom White for example that could really emerge as a legitimate top edge rusher in the league potentially who looked like he was on the cusp of that coming into the year. um So I think you're going to get a lot of those type of jumps that will naturally help out the roster and make some of these deficiencies seem a little less daunting.
00:37:49
Snooty
So another, the other area that needs obviously a complete overhaul on offense is the receiver position. And I think most people assume that they're not going to go there at least in round one.
00:38:00
Snooty
Um, a guy that I've seen a lot. Why is test Johnson? Why is he not Taekwondo?
00:38:09
Savage Boston
Tess Johnson.
00:38:10
Snooty
Yeah.
00:38:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So yeah, well, ah so honestly, I would say they're very different um in the sense that they're both very small, but in very different ways. Like Tess Johnson, you're more so looking at that like tank Dell archetype.
00:38:24
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Honestly, I would say they're like very, very similar.
00:38:27
Savage Boston
Like Zae Flowers or something.
00:38:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I'd say he's a little, I would say like more rocked up, a little stronger um and a little bit bigger. Like he was, I think like, hundred and eighty something whereas tess is like one sixty five
00:38:39
Savage Boston
He's very light.
00:38:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So you're, you're, I think you are getting almost a carbon copy of what tank Dell was like seeing him at the senior bowl, like There is no doubt that this guy's going to be getting open on a consistent basis, but it's also like in my scouting report with tank Dell, I wrote, this guy could be a game changer for you when he's healthy, but you're also looking at it as like the long-term cost benefit analysis of how much football is he going to play for you. And you know, it's, it's obviously unfortunate, but he's had some recurring injuries and then obviously that injury at the end, which.
00:39:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I you can't really attribute to size, but it's like he hasn't really been able to stay on the field.
00:39:10
Savage Boston
a
00:39:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I think that's kind of the knock with him where no one's really doubting his ability to make plays and and contribute and make an impact. But it's like, what's his size going to limit him to and and how much football is he going to play?
00:39:31
Savage Boston
I mean, also like, you know, when you look at someone like, you know, Pop Douglas, right?
00:39:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:39:35
Savage Boston
Pop Douglas is listed at 5'8". They say, you know, don't know how you believe the c five eight one ninety you know i don't know about that weight ah just saying but ah you know tez johnson is like five ten one sixty five like he just he's flies but dude one sixty five in the nfl is very light very high
00:39:49
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:39:55
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
For sure, but they're like. A lot of people say like, Oh, we can't draft another smaller slot guy because we have to Mario Douglas. Like to me, I don't buy into that. I think you're always looking for guys that can contribute. And I think especially with Josh McDaniels coming in, like he's run offenses where you had Edelman and Amandola coexisting kind of who coming in were perceived to play the same role. um So I think there's a lot of intriguing options that kind of fit that archetype, but
00:40:26
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
There's guys who are looked at as a slot, but they're a lot bigger. Like if you look at two guys like Restrepo and Jalen Knoll, they're like 5'11", a real 200 pounds, like seeing them up close, like they're built, they're thicker, like they can play through contact, they're good in traffic.
00:40:38
Savage Boston
Yeah, thicker.
00:40:44
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So those are are the type of guys who I think would actually thrive in that Josh McDaniel slot role.
00:40:51
Savage Boston
Also, if you notice like quarterbacks now, you know if the quarterback of the team is good enough, right they don't need that elite, elite, elite guy. like Does it help?
00:41:01
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:41:02
Savage Boston
Of course it helps. But again, look at, like, whether it's Lamar or Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. I mean, like, who's Pat Mahomes throwing to?
00:41:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
yeah
00:41:12
Savage Boston
The answer is, it doesn't fucking matter.
00:41:14
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:41:14
Savage Boston
Because Pat Mahomes is going to find the open guy like Brady did.
00:41:16
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
100%.
00:41:16
Snooty
uh... it it's kelsey yeah but he's
00:41:19
Savage Boston
Well, Kelsey is like kelsey's like an old Buick.
00:41:20
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So.
00:41:21
Savage Boston
I mean, god kel what is Kelsey? What does he run, a 4.9?
00:41:27
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
ah you're You're definitely right. Like, if you look at the bills this year, like coming into the season, I was doubting them to saying I think they're going to take a huge step back just because of the personnel they had.
00:41:30
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:41:36
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And I think if you have a good play caller who can, you know, at least function and you have a quarterback who can get them the ball like you don't need a receiver one. And there's very few teams that have that.
00:41:48
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
You just need guys who are going to show up for you on a consistent basis and not make mistakes and, you know, can do what they're asked and occasionally make that big play, um which exactly, which is what I think the Patriots have been lacking.
00:41:58
Savage Boston
run the right routes, line up correctly.
00:42:03
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So it'll be interesting.
00:42:04
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:05
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think For me, there's two-ish realistic targets that maybe could get to 38, but unlikely. But if they're there, I would probably take them in Matthew Golden and Egbuka.
00:42:18
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:19
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think if those guys are there at 38, you probably take them. But then if you go down the board a little bit, I think if you're more so looking at that like 69, 77 range, like a Restrepo, a Jalen Knoll, a Betch, a Higgins, like those are four very quality receivers who I think would probably step in and could really win that day one starting role for the Patriots and actually provide some reliability to the position.
00:42:47
Savage Boston
I think they'll have to take somebody, but you know again, we're going to know some about this before the draft happens, right? Because we're going to hit March 12th, free agency.
00:42:55
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:42:56
Savage Boston
And we're going to know kind of an idea of
Patriots' Free Agency Moves
00:42:58
Savage Boston
what's going on. And again, like I'm going through the free agency list you know today. And really, there's one real good free agent target at wide receiver.
00:43:08
Savage Boston
One.
00:43:08
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:43:08
Savage Boston
For the whole league, kind of. like Yes, there's other guys, but it's just T Higgins. and He's young and you're gonna give him a huge contract with a ton of guaranteed money Yeah, he's got some soft tissue stuff, but like he is your true ah He is like one or one a receiver and and a really skilled great option so like I think and slash I know slash of red that They will be bidding a lot of money for tea hands, but there's just no guarantee.
00:43:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:43:37
Savage Boston
He's gonna come to your team and
00:43:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Well, that's the thing. I think, I think we've already learned that when these type of guys are potentially available, like we're going to be in the market for them. There's no doubt about that. The question is just, are there actually going to be any guys available?
00:43:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, so I think they're definitely going to be in the T Higgins market. If there is one, I think they're going to be trying to trade for guys like DK and, you know, unrealistically AJ Brown and those guys that people have floated out there.
00:44:02
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:44:06
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
I think they're going to be in the market for all of those guys. I just don't know how realistic that one of them is actually available, but who knows? Like there's always guys that are floating around in that mix. and And I think they've definitely, they're definitely intent on adding anyone who's out there. So that's definitely promising as a Patriots fan, but I'm curious too, to just see like the response and what our new coaching staff thinks about some of these younger receivers.
Javon Baker's Potential Under New Coaching
00:44:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, you know, I was never in on Polk, so it's kind of hard for me to justify that one.
00:44:38
Savage Boston
You're a bad fucking pig.
00:44:40
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. And and a guy who, when he was on the field, like he looked awful. But more intriguingly, I think is Javon Baker, who wasn't really given that shot. And, you know, you can say, Oh, well, he wasn't able to get on the field in a week draft class. But then you can also argue, well, how legitimate was our coaching staff to really be making those decisions and et cetera, et cetera. So I'm just curious to see if a guy like Javon Baker, who on film, you know, that he has all the talent in the world.
00:45:09
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Is he the type of guy who's going to respond really well to Mike Vrabel coming in and and really like that extra coaching and want to buy in, or is he going to be tuned out again and maybe he's off the roster in a month? So I think that's one of those guys where you could really, really be getting a big help if he has the right attitude coming into the season. Um, but you also might have an extra roster spot if it goes the opposite way.
00:45:33
Savage Boston
I'll say this about Baker though, like Baker, I saw someone's draft board. It was like the giant's draft board, something like that, right? And a hard knocks.
00:45:39
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:45:40
Savage Boston
And it was on the back and people zoomed in, right? And you saw like they had some blue chip people, right? Like Drake May was the first blue chip player where they said like just outstanding total attitude, player, guy, person, everything, right?
00:45:48
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:45:53
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:45:53
Savage Boston
And what I think there was only two people on the whole chart with massive added character concerns. And you know who one of them was?
00:46:03
Snooty
Yeah.
00:46:03
Savage Boston
Trayvon Baker, who the day he got drafted told the world that he's gonna make people in wheelchairs stand up.
00:46:04
Snooty
yeah
00:46:04
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah. So.
00:46:10
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah.
00:46:11
Savage Boston
Which is amazing, but also so fucking stupid.
00:46:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Well, here's why I think there's some hope. I think with a guy like that, when he said that Gerard Mayo's immediate reaction was just to suppress him and say, Oh, he's got to stop saying stuff like that, et cetera.
00:46:28
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And he really kind of just like put his foot down and just put him in the grave and said, no, like you're not going to be showing your personality.
00:46:29
Savage Boston
nothing
00:46:34
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
You're not going to be acting like that. which I think for a young guy like that who was really excited to make an impact and had a lot of confidence in his ability, it's hard to hear that. And so I wonder i wonder how different a guy like Mike Vrabel is where yeah, he might give him that tough love, but at the same time, it seems from an outside perspective, like he's ah a guy who's gonna empower his players a little bit more um and get them to buy in and get them to believe them in themselves in an accountable way.
00:47:02
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
um So I'm just very curious to see how he responds because I know that if he has the right attitude and and we don't have to worry about those type of things of lining up in the right place or buying in or getting the playbook read and all that, if we're purely talking about his ability on field as a football player, I have full confidence in that.
00:47:24
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, he's obviously, you know, I think, I think a guy I like and I was encouraged by his development because I think he did a lot of it himself, right? And he took it on himself as Booty. K. Sean Booty, you know, really from a guy who got buried by Bill.
00:47:39
Savage Boston
you know, Barry that first year to come back and really perform like he did this year, Noah's number, he had like 430 yards. I'm not saying it was crazy, but like he, he did some good things and I really liked his development.
00:47:50
Savage Boston
So it's one guy that I think just took it upon himself, you know, and was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna really show what I got.
00:47:55
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
effort
00:47:56
Savage Boston
And I hope Baker is capable of doing the same thing and having some development.
00:47:59
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Definitely. And I think that's a great parallel to because that was a guy who, I don't know about all field issues, but you know, there was like that betting scandal and you know, some immaturity questions about his time at LSU.
00:48:00
Savage Boston
um Yeah.
00:48:08
Snooty
Yeah.
00:48:10
Savage Boston
Yup.
00:48:11
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
And he really came out and and was a guy who bought in and wanted to prove things.
00:48:14
Savage Boston
He's young too.
00:48:15
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Very, and and it's interesting, like, I'm obviously very young.
00:48:16
Savage Boston
But he's young.
00:48:18
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I know how different in terms of maturity you can be from one year to the next. um And I was reading or watching one of Javon Baker's interviews and I think one of the reporters asked him like, what is it? Is it motivating the way your season ended? Or like, what, what are you playing for now? And he was kind of just saying, well, like, I don't have anything else. Like it's football. Like i I need to make it in football. So I'm curious to just like see what his mentality is as a year older and having learned all this and now getting a little bit of a different opportunity and a fresh slate to see if he buys in.
00:48:54
Savage Boston
Nice. Well, we'll wrap up the pod soon. Uh, went over, over time. Um, you know, it's funny. It's one thing I heard totally unrelated is about the younger generation, not to be all old man here.
Gen Z vs. Millennials' Social Habits
00:49:06
Savage Boston
Right. But I've heard that Gen Z or 22 year olds going out and like kind of partying and all that stuff less often than kind of the millennial generation is. Tell me, tell me like, are you guys are 22 year olds still going and ripping it up or what's going on?
00:49:23
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Honestly, i'm I'm probably the wrong guy to ask just just cause at this point, you know, balancing, uh, balancing school and doing all this, I, I don't honestly find much of the time.
00:49:35
Savage Boston
That's fair.
00:49:35
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Um, and also like I, I just finished undergrad.
00:49:38
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So I came from a different city on my own now to back home for a couple of years. So I'm, I'm definitely in a little bit of a different position, but I mean, a lot of my friends are still going out on a a weekly basis.
00:49:50
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
So, so yeah, there's your answer.
00:49:51
Savage Boston
There you go. There you go. We were absolute idiots.
00:49:54
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Yeah, I can imagine.
00:49:55
Savage Boston
Total clown idiots, like unbelievable.
00:49:55
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
Oh.
00:49:57
Snooty
Yeah, come for the draft talk stay for the socioeconomic discussions.
00:49:58
Daniel (@scoutdnfl)
then Oh yeah.
00:50:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, let's start getting into politics. Just kidding. Nobody unfollowed me for a politic talk. Just kidding. um There's nothing that gives me more shit than talking politics online. All right guys, so we're gonna take off Scout D stay on here. Don't don't sign off yet because I need to upload the audio So we thanks for tuning in guys. We will catch you next time. Peace
00:50:22
Snooty
Yep.