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The New Mutants
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With all the delays and reshoots, Josh Boone's New Mutants may be the most cursed superhero movie to date. But now that it's finally on VOD, we gave it a watch and found it to be better than we expected, though not without its flaws. On the good, there's the cast of young actors (particularly Anya Taylor-Joy) and on the bad, there are some questionable story choices and the baffling decision to use Cecilia Reyes as someone the character never looked or acted like. Plus: why we're over Christopher Nolan.
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It's hunting us. No, it's hunting Danny. Why Danny? Because that's what she fears. Come on. Help me. One, two, three. Take Danny to a safe place, and I'll take care of his bear. Sue, leave her! Leave her!
00:02:38
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What are you going to do? I'm going to play with them. Get there out of here. Are you crazy? That thing will kill you. He's right. It's magic. So am I. No, Ellie.
Host Introductions
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm half of your host, Perry Constantine. And as always, I am the other half, Derek Ferguson. How you doing today, Derek? I am doing quite well. Thank you, Patricia. And I went out today to
00:03:22
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get a few things, because at the time you guys listen to it, it'll be passed, but we are recording this on Thanksgiving Eve.
Personal Updates: Thanksgiving and Moving
00:03:32
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So my wife, Patricia and I, we went out today, because she doesn't do a whole lot of cooking, because it's just two of us. And of course now, especially with the pandemic, we're not having any people over, because sometimes we may have some people over, we just have extra food in case somebody stops by.
00:03:48
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Right. That isn't the case. She's not going to do a whole lot of cooking. So we went out to get some stuff today. And, you know, that's it. OK, but we're doing OK. Thank you for asking. No problem. Yeah, we're not like we were talking before, you know, here in Japan, Thanksgiving isn't really a thing. And so we're not really doing anything special. Plus, we're moving in in a few days. In fact, Monday, when this episode comes out, that's our moving day.
00:04:16
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So we're really looking forward to that. And we got like boxes everywhere, packing up everything up, but I'm gonna like having an office to myself again. Yeah. Which you've been looking forward to for quite a while. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was one thing when we started looking at places, I'm like, look, I gotta have a room. I don't care if it's, it can be like a, it can be a walk-in closet for all I care, but I just need like my own office space.
00:04:42
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Matter of fact, funny that you should mention it that one of my neighbors, his wife, well his ex-wife, she was a college professor and actually that's what they did. They converted one of their closets into an office for her.
00:04:59
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Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, it was a fairly big, you know, and that's what they did. They converted it into an office because when they knocked out the back wall, they found out that there was some more room back there. Yeah, so they was able to extend it out.
00:05:12
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Yeah, it can be done. Oh, yeah, yeah. In fact, there was one place we were looking at and it had this really wide open floor plan. Like they had like the, they had a master bedroom, but it was like, you know, two bedrooms put together and there was like no dividing wall in there. And there was this one, they had this massive walk-in closet. I'm like, I can actually, you could actually make that into an office.
00:05:33
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Really? Okay. Yeah. And it was an unusual place. You don't really see places like that in Japan. They even had like an oven in the kitchen, which like we were talking about before we started recording, that's very rare in Japanese homes. Like ovens aren't really a thing here. Right. Yeah. You were telling me they're not really a thing. All right.
CW and DC TV Shows Discussion
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Okay. So got some news that come out this week. First off, looks like there's going to be possibly a Wonder Girl TV show.
00:06:04
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joining the CW. You know, okay, I'm glad you brought that up because there seems to be some consternation with people that think that really that the CW has got, you know, like they're cutting back on their series because Black Lightning, they said that the upcoming series is going to be the last one. Yeah, that's also my news this week is that, so we'll combine these together. Yeah, Black Lightning is ending with season four.
00:06:32
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And yeah, and also, you know, Supergirl's ending as well. So a lot of people think that, you know, oh, well, they're gonna be close. But I mean, Greg Berlanti has not been shy about talking about this. He's been saying for, you know, in WB, or not WB, the CW has been saying that, you know, we can't, we'll do this for like every few years, we'll alternate in different characters, do different shows, try different things. So it makes total sense that they're doing this.
00:06:59
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Yeah. And you know what? Not every TV show has to be supernatural and last for, you know, like 20 years. Right. Yeah. You know, not every show has to be like that. And I kind of like the idea that they're going to, like every five to seven years, they're going to rotate these shows out and, you know, bring a new, and there's nothing that say they can't bring these characters back or that they can't appear in other. Right.
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shows or whatever. And I'm sure like the actors and stuff like that, they've been getting offers for all the TV shows and movies and stuff like that. And they would like to move on. Right. Yeah. So, and well, like Melissa Benowitz in Supergirl, like she just had a baby. So, you know, she's got that whole thing going on and she's doing like Broadway work now. And so, so yeah, there's a, you know, she's got other stuff to do. Plus you've got Superman and Lois now, so she could easily come back and guest star on that.
00:07:54
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Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's not like she has to go away forever. She can always come back. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure that in the course of the TV show, they'll be making references to her and everything like that. So you can presume that she's still having adventures out there. We're just not seeing them. That's all. And plus, Berlanti is also doing the Green Lantern series for HBO Max, too. So there's plenty of DC content still coming out.
00:08:24
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Which brings me to, you know what, I'm starting to think that really maybe that's the way that DC is going, that they're going to have all of their stuff on HBO Max. Well, it makes sense.
00:08:40
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Yeah. Yeah. It makes total sense that they didn't want to do that. I mean, HBO Max, you've got a bigger budget. You can do more niche things like than you could on like the CW. Plus, you're not restricted to the CW's format of, you know, network television where it's, you know, 22 episodes a season. Right. So it allows you to be a little bit tighter with the storytelling. Exactly. That's so I'm wondering if there are
00:09:08
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So I'm wondering if they're cutting back on like some of their shows. And like you said, because most of the new shows, I know that they're supposed to be doing a spin-off of Black Lightning called Painkiller. Right, yeah, yeah, that's right. That was another thing they announced. Yeah, which kind of puzzles everybody.
00:09:29
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that heard about it, because they said, really? You want to do a spin-off with that character? Yeah, yeah. Well, and this Wonder Girl, actually, is not even a Wonder Girl that's debuted in the comics yet. So this is a new character who's going to be coming out in 2021, because DC is doing their future state event.
00:09:51
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Okay. And so this is a new character. She's a Latin X character and her real name is Yara Flor. And she's the daughter of an Amazonian warrior and a Brazilian river god. Oh, okay. So yeah, she's going to be debuting in 2021. And then the Wonder Girl series is going to be coming is going to be, there'll probably be a trailer at next year's Comic Con at the earliest.
00:10:21
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is what the theory is. So we probably won't see this series until 2022 at the earliest. Okay, so this isn't going to be Donna Troy. No, no, it's not Donna Troy. It's not Cassie Sands Mark, who was the Wonder Girl in the 90s. This is a brand new character.
00:10:42
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Okay, well, you know what, that's the thing about Wonder Girl though, it doesn't have to be Donna. I mean, even Donna Troy isn't one girl anymore. Right, plus we got Donna Troy and Titans anyway. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, also in DC TV news, it looks like the Batman spinoff is already, because remember they're talking about doing, I think it was an HBO Max series, focusing on the Gotham PD. Yeah.
00:11:12
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Terrence Winter, who is the showrunner for it. And, but according to Variety, he's no longer involved as the showrunner after creative differences behind the scenes, and he's now working on a Dial M for Murder series instead. Oh, that, our old friend creative differences. Yeah, which is basically shorthand for we don't want to talk about it.
00:11:42
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But it's always a good sign when a person leaves the series before the series has even started. Yeah, exactly. This is true. Because you know what? Get out while you can before you get in there and then you start. And then the arguments go. Because it's always reflected in the work, I feel. I feel it's always reflected in the work.
00:12:15
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get trashed because the showrunner wasn't getting along with his writing staff or vice versa. Yeah. And let's see what else we got here. Apparently, there was a rumor floating around that the Peacemaker TV series was going to introduce a new Green Arrow, like the DCEU version of the Green Arrow, but it looks like James Gunn has completely shot that down. He's like, I love Green Arrow. He's one of my favorite characters, but he's not going to be in the series.
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We've seen far too many TV series that we've enjoyed.
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And he even shared a story about how when he was a kid, him and his friends would play superheroes. And he stayed up late one night making himself a little green arrow hat. Oh, that's adorable. And see what else we got here.
Black Panther 2 and MCU Character Arcs
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Black Panther 2 is gonna be starting production soon. They're gonna begin filming in the middle of 2021. And the star of Narcos Mexico, Tanak Huerta, is rumored to be in the running to play a villain in the movie. And they've already said that they have no plans to use CGI to replace Chadwick Boseman at all in Black Panther 2.
00:13:28
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And he said, Marvel Studios executive vice president Victoria Lanzo, she said, there's only one Chadwick and he's not with us. Our king unfortunately has died in real life, not just in fiction. And we were taking a little time to see how we return to history and what we do to honor this chapter of what's happened to us that was so unexpected, so painful, so terrible really. Now you had a really controversial opinion about this on Facebook about what they should do.
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I did. Well, at least I don't know if it was controversial when you post it, but it would be controversial to a lot of people, which is you suggested that they just go ahead and recast. Exactly. Exactly. I just simply go ahead and I don't know. I mean, I don't pretend to know what was in the minor chat with Bozeman. All I can go by is what I
00:14:24
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know the man from his interviews and stuff like that. And I don't know, I get the impression that he'd probably be the first one to go ahead and say, you know what, just give the rule to somebody else.
00:14:33
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You know, I don't think he ever intended this to be like, he's the only one who can ever play the character. Yeah, exactly. I mean, and it's not like, okay, because you know how this usually happens. Usually somebody gets a big role like that, they get a swelled head, and then, you know, they decide they want more money, or they want more screen time, and then they walk away from the role.
00:14:57
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You know, that didn't happen. This was a tragedy that nobody could have foreseen. I mean, and I don't know. Some people swear up and down. They say, well, it would be disrespectful to cast. No, it wouldn't be disrespectful. Nobody knew the man was going to die. Nobody knew he was going to die. He was fighting it.
00:15:20
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as much as he could. And I honestly believe that he thought that he was going to beat it, you know, cause he fought like hell and he was doing all that work. Yeah. So I don't know. I, you know, yeah. I know that the popular thing is, Oh, well make consistent of Black Panther. Okay. You know what? I'm not opposed to that, but let's do that three or four movies down the road, you know,
00:15:46
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and then make her Black Panther, you know. I know I read someplace they said that Mabaku, the guy who played Mabaku, that they were thinking about making him the new Black Panther. Well, that was actually something I said because that was, yeah, Mark Buskett commented that, you know, bring back Killmonger.
00:16:06
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and see how he does it. And I'm like, well, you know what? I don't want to see Killmonger brought back because I thought he had such a great death scene. And I'm not saying never bring him back, but I think if you're going to have Killmonger, you should have him in the ancestral plane because he was a Black Panther. So he would definitely. Right. So I would bring him back that way, but I wouldn't have him come back and suit up as Black Panther. Instead, yeah, I suggested, well, you know what? Give him Baku a bigger role and have kind of like this situation where
00:16:35
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you could do the situation where Shuri's conflicted about taking up the mantle and Mbaku comes in and takes it up instead. And him and Shuri already have some built-in conflict from the first movie because we saw that he had issues with her being someone who scoffs at tradition and all that. So that would be an interesting take to put on it too and give Winston Duke more to do as well in these movies.
00:17:03
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I actually feel that if you did bring back Killmonger, I do feel that that would be disrespectful. That would be not disrespectful to Chadwick Bowman, but disrespectful to the character of Killmonger because he was such a strong character. I feel that just like bringing him back.
00:17:21
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you know, to life would cheapen the impact his character made in that movie. Something because he was such a strong character. I mean, there have been few bad guys in superhero cinema history that had the impact that Killmonger did. Yeah, he had such a profound arc and such a well-established arc in that movie. It's hard to
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to do that, to bring him back without tarnishing that in some way. Yeah, exactly. Like I said, to me, he was the best type of bad guy. I didn't like what he was doing, but damn, you know, the cat had a point. He made some good points, yeah. He did, he had a point. You know, it wasn't like he was entirely wrong. Now the way he went about accomplishing his aims was highly questionable. That's a different story, yeah. Yeah, but you know what? I saw his point of view.
00:18:16
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Yeah, which to me is the mark of excellent writing when you can make me see the bad guys point and sit there and I'm sitting in my seat and say, Well, you know what, yeah he's a horrendous murderer and everything like that but you know what, it's not like the guy does have justification for what he's doing, you know,
00:18:36
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He's got a motivation. So yeah, so I don't know. I just, that's my opinion. You know, nobody's going to take it. You know, I doubt that Marvel is sitting up there saying, well, let's go ask Dirk Ferguson. But no, but yeah, I think they should just simply just go ahead and recast. Okay. You know, what's his name? Denzel Washington's son.
00:19:03
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Oh, yeah, from using Black Clansman, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was great. Yeah, and he was just in this recent movie with what you would call Nolan. Oh, Tenet, yeah. Yeah, Tenet, yeah. He'd be a good choice. Yeah, I think he'd be good. Okay. So now also in MCU stuff, Thor, Love and Thunder is being loosely described as Avengers Five.
00:19:27
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So there's not really gonna be an Avengers movie in phase four, at least as far as we know, but apparently like, you know, Love and Thunder is gonna have a pretty big cast and
00:19:41
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Now we've already said that Chris Pratt is gonna be in it. Obviously Chris Hemsworth is back. Tessa Thompson is gonna be back as Valkyrie. Tycho YTT is directing. He's also gonna be playing Korg again. Natalie Portman's coming back as Jane Foster. Vin Diesel might be in it as Groot, but there could also be some other people involved.
00:20:07
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So yeah, it looks like Thor, Love and Thunder is gonna be kind of like the Captain America Civil War. Like where it's gonna feel like an Avengers movie but it's not really gonna be an Avengers movie. Do you think that we're gonna see something that may be like a transitional from the previous phase to the new one and that's why we have such a large cast? It could be. I mean, it makes sense because you've got
00:20:34
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Because Endgame was such a finale, right? It was such an end stamp on it that you need to have some kind of transition into what's going on further. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as we said in that episode, I forget which one it was, but I know we said it. We said, you know what? If they never made another MCU movie after Endgame,
00:20:58
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I'd be cool with that. And I think you agree with me. Yeah. Because that was just like the perfect end to everything. Yeah. Yeah. I think it stands to reason that there's going to be kind of like a deck clearing of sorts that Love and Thunder is going to do because it seems like my theory, and this is what I would do, right? I would have Hemsworth
00:21:25
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go off at the end of Love and Thunder with the Guardians of Galaxy and go on adventures with them and kind of like explore the galaxy a little bit. And then Portman, Jane Foster, stays on Earth with Mjolnir and becomes like the Thor of Earth. That's what I'm talking about. I think that would be a good way to do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. I think that the character of Thor in the MCU has earned
00:21:51
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whatever happiness he can find. And I think that he'd probably be more comfortable going off into others. I mean, because listen, Captain America, he isn't there, Iron Man is dead, you know, and he would say, well, you know what, in order for this new generation of Avengers to go ahead and do their thing, I got to go and let, and actually, yeah, let them do their own thing. Yeah. And it does.
00:22:15
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Because, and also we got kind of a, which I was a little bit disappointed in because we had teased kind of this new status quo with Thor at the end of Ragnarok. You know, with him being like, you know, king of the nomadic Asgardians and he had the eye patch and everything and they were gonna be flying through space. And then the first five minutes of Infinity War completely undoes all that. Oh man. Well, you know what? I cut again, and I've said this before,
00:22:45
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Out of all the characters in the MCU, with the possible exception of Tony Stark who died, Thor is the one who goes through the most trials and tribulations and changes the most out of any character that's in there. I mean, he really does go through. The Thor that we get at the end of the Infinity War is not the same Thor that we started out with. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, even Thor and Ragnarok is not the same Thor.
00:23:12
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Oh yeah, same, definitely. Yeah, we end up with it, so. So then, it looks like Margot Robbie's Tank Girl.
Margot Robbie's Tank Girl Project
00:23:23
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Do you ever read the Tank Girl comics?
00:23:25
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uh no i i have seen the movie oh the 95 movie yeah yeah i've seen the movie a couple of times well it's like a cult thing you know now you know uh but no i've never read the comic but yeah neither have i i haven't seen the the movie either but uh but margo robie's going to be doing a a reboot of it and she's apparently like a huge fan of the
00:23:49
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of the Tank Girl comics. And she says like the, she described it as like free and anarchistic from the art to the characters of the politics and the sort of fragmented nature of the stories that they're telling. So the project is something that's on hold right now, but they, you know, everything's been put on hold because of the coronavirus, but she's hopeful that they're gonna, they're going to get started again soon. And then,
00:24:19
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Oh, well, you mentioned Chris Nolan. He made some comments about the Dark Knight movies and you're the one who brought this story to my attention. And I'm just like, we gotta talk about this just because he said that he's thrilled that Dark Knight was made before the superhero
Chris Nolan's Batman Trilogy Insights
00:24:40
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boom. And he says that his Batman trilogy was before superhero movies became an engine of commerce.
00:24:48
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And I'm just kind of like, you know what? Chris Nolan has gotten really in love with himself. Yeah, yeah, he really has. You know, somebody really needs to take him and sit him down and explain the facts of life to him. Yeah. And I mean, like, I mean, come on, you're telling me that Warner Brothers gave you a Batman trilogy just out of artistic interest and they weren't interested in making a ton of money? I mean, come on.
00:25:15
Speaker
You know, first of all, okay, well, you know me, I have a very deep problem with people who make a ton of money from some property or from some genre and everything like that, and then turn right around and then they trash that same genre or that same property that, you know, put a lot of coin in their pocket. Yeah.
00:25:41
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I do not deny the impact of the Nolan Batman movies or the old superhero movies that followed after it. My really only complaint with his version of Batman is that I feel that in trying to give us a realistic Batman that operates in the real world, he went too far and actually showed why Batman wouldn't work in the real world.
00:26:09
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Yeah, you know, uh, you know a lot of people disagree with me you know the Nolan Batman movies are their favorite ones. Hey, you know, everybody's got their favorite thing. But, uh, I just don't think that I just think he went too far. The other way, but, uh, yeah but this whole thing where
00:26:28
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Oh, because, okay, because Christopher Nolan thinks that he's a god of cinema, first of all. Yeah. Let's be honest. So let's put it around here. He thinks he's god of cinema. You know, he went through this whole thing going back and forth with the studio because he put his foot down and he insisted that his movie was not going to be released to streaming. It was going to be put in the theater. You know, COVID be damned. You know, he just didn't care. His movie was going to be in the theater.
00:26:53
Speaker
And he was convinced that he would bring back, Christopher Nolan, God of Semina, would single-handedly resurrect the theaters. Right. Exactly. He thought that he was going to save the movie industry. Yeah. Because people would defy death to go see his movie. Yeah. And remind me, how did Tenet do it, the box office again?
00:27:19
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I think it did, what, $93,000 this first weekend or something like that? Yeah. It did be horror movie numbers. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what, this is not the not Christopher Nolan, because I've enjoyed his movies. I still feel that Inception. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's his best movie. I still feel that's his best one. I love Inception. I love The Dark Knight.
00:27:47
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you know, less or so, but I still enjoy Batman Begins and Memento and even Insomnia. A lot of people kind of forget about Insomnia, but I've reworked it recently. And I actually liked that movie. I thought that was pretty good. Yeah. You know what? Everybody forgets about Insomnia. Insomnia is really good with Robin Williams and Al Pacino. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, uh, yeah, I do like The Dark Knight. I do. I like it a lot. I feel that out of all the three movies that he did, that's the, that's the one that feels the most like a Batman movie to me.
00:28:14
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Right, yeah, agree. And then, you know, and then I saw, and after Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar, after those two, I'm just like, you know what, I'm kind of over Christopher Nolan now.
00:28:27
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Yeah, Interstellar was like, you know, I saw it, and it was okay. But then I think he went for a cop out ending that I would have expected from an episode of Star Trek Voyager. Yeah, he seemed very intent on, you know, trying to, he likes to put things in his movies that
00:28:47
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I think he was trying to do something and everyone's like, oh, it's so brilliant. I'm like, no, it's not. It's a bullshit ending. Yeah, it's a bullshit ending. And did you see the new story where actually other directors were calling him and talking about the sound of his movie and that they couldn't hear it and trying to give him advice and he basically told them to go somewhere and do what to themselves?
00:29:08
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, he said, yeah, well, I don't mean for him. He gave him some some stupid or tour answer like, you know, well, if they can't hear the movie, well, I don't want people to hear the dialogue. They're not supposed to get it. Really? So seriously. Oh, OK. OK. You want to go there. All right. OK, I see. Yeah. Well, he also said here is he said the origin story for Batman had never been addressed in film or fully in the comics.
00:29:37
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Now, I mean, I've read a pretty fair number of Batman comics. I'm pretty sure the origin story has been addressed numerous times. More than numerous times, yeah. So what is he talking about? And like, you know, it's never been addressed in the film. How many times have we talked about the fact that every single movie reminds us about how Batman's parents died? Every single movie.
00:30:04
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I don't know, he says the version of Batman had never been told. And I'm like, does he even, it makes me wonder, I'm like, well, maybe that explains some of the choices you made if you didn't even read the damn comics. You know what somebody needs to do?
00:30:23
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somebody needs to give Christopher Nolan, okay, know what they need to do? Just give him just a flat one million dollars and say, okay, take that, go make a movie. And you're not getting another dime. You gotta make a movie with this million bucks. And that's it.
Netflix's Oscar Influence and Deadpool 3
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That would force him to reevaluate.
00:30:43
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his own filmmaking process, I think, which is what I think that he needs at this point. Yeah. As to, you know, I mean, you know, stop giving him half a billion bucks, you know, to play with. All right. So one other piece I wanted to mention is that Deadpool 3 is now, is now in the works. It's officially in the works. And this is gonna be the first one since Disney bought out the, you know, bought a Fox's assets.
00:31:12
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um and they've got uh writers from um the the molten new sisters i'm not sure if i'm i'm definitely not pronouncing that right but uh they're writers on uh bob's burgers the the tv show which i've never seen but i hear it's really good um yeah you know what bob's burgers had been on for the longest and i started watching it because uh
00:31:38
Speaker
Okay, I started watching it when we subscribe to Hulu. You know, and I've never seen it before, but you know what, I watch a whole bunch of crap that I've never seen before just because it's there. Yeah. And before I knew it, I was like halfway through the first season. Bob's Burger really is fun. It is. It's really good. If you get a chance to check it out, yeah.
00:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to check it out. It took me completely possible. I did not expect to be laughing. Because you know me, I thought that it was just another one of those knockoffs of the Simpsons. Right. You know, but it's not. Trust me, it's not. It's, it's really, it's funny as hell. But yeah, so apparently, they pitched to Ryan Reynolds.
00:32:22
Speaker
You know, personally, and you know and then Reynolds vouch for them and so now they're they're writing Deadpool three, and it is, you know, a lot of people were worried there's oh well it's Disney, they're not going to do an R rated movie which first off is bullshit. Disney did a lot of R rated movies under.
00:32:39
Speaker
has made tons of R-rated movies, right? Yeah. They just didn't put the Disney logo on it. No, well, back in the, what was it? The 80s and 90s, they had the Touchstone. Yeah, yeah. And they also had a Miramax in the 90s as well. Yeah, Miramax, yeah. And Touchstone was for the, quote unquote, adult, you know, R-rated more, yeah. And they're doing, you know, they own a large stake in Hulu and they're doing R-rated stuff on Hulu as well.
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, exactly. So Disney is Disney has done a bunch of R rated. Yeah, yeah. I mean stuff before. Disney doesn't really care about family values. Disney cares about money. Tell me about it. Yeah.
00:33:20
Speaker
That's all they care about. I mean, you know, and know what, it, okay, and know what, Disney has so much of a backlog. They've got what, like 50 years worth of family-friendly stuff you can go watch. Oh my god, even more than that at this point. Yeah, even more than that, yeah. I mean, I look at Disney and I look at all the stuff they have on there, so my wife the other day, she was watching, uh,
00:33:45
Speaker
Because she had no idea that Kurt Russell had been around as long as he had, which I always told her. I said, yeah, Kurt Russell has been around forever. She was watching the movies he made when he was a child actor for Disney back in the 60s, for God's sake. Oh, wow. Yeah. I did not know that either. I did not know he was a child actor. Yeah.
Kurt Russell's Acting Career
00:34:03
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He did a Western.
00:34:06
Speaker
when he was like 10, 11 years old, for the travels of Jamie McPheeters. He worked with Elvis Presley. He was in Viva Las Vegas. No, no, was it Viva Las Vegas?
00:34:18
Speaker
I don't know. I have no idea. Okay, but look it up. But trust me, he worked with him. Kurt Russell has never been anything but an actor. Okay, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's why people, you know, I think that they tend to forget because most people only know him like from the, okay, most people only go back as far as escape from New York. Right.
00:34:39
Speaker
and no further. They said, okay, well, Kurt Russell, well, that's where his career started. No, Kurt Russell had 30 years, 20 years, you know, of Experience Act before he did that. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, so Deadpool 3 is in the works. It is going to be rated R. They're not going to be altering the franchise too much from the tone that established in the first and the second movie. So
00:35:04
Speaker
you know, people can calm down and relax. So I'm really excited because I love the Deadpool movies. Yeah. Well, we covered the first one. We covered the first one. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure we're going to be doing the second. So we'll get to that eventually. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
New Mutants: VOD Success and Development Issues
00:35:21
Speaker
And so one other thing which actually leads in today's pick is that New Mutants has dominated VOD since it came out last week.
00:35:31
Speaker
Like it's just been a huge sleeper hit on VOD. Really? Yeah. It's, yeah, it's topped the list on Voodoo and Fandango now. It's become the number one bestselling film on both of those two sites based on revenue. Okay. I've seen it topping the charts on iTunes as well. So,
00:35:56
Speaker
So yeah, it's become a pretty big hit up on streaming, which, you know, goes to show that maybe you shouldn't, maybe, you know, these studios should not discount VOD releases. Well, you know, as I've been saying, and I've been having people, you know, and I go back and forth with this all the time, people saying, oh, well, I want to go to the movie theater. I want to go to the movie. Listen, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. I love the movie theater experience too. Right.
00:36:27
Speaker
I've been going to the movie theaters since I, I mean, since the 1970s. So trust me, I love going to movies as much as anybody else. But for a sizable amount of the population and you can't get around it. This is just a sign of where the technology and where the culture has gone. A lot of people would really rather just stay at home and watch a movie. They did, you know, they don't want to go to the theater. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, and I think that, uh,
00:36:56
Speaker
You know, okay, first of all, they were saying, well, there's too many streaming services and some of them are gonna fall. Apparently not, because they all seem to be thriving. Matter of fact, I've read the story the other day that said that since the COVID thing hit, Netflix has picked up something like 25 million new subscribers.
00:37:20
Speaker
Oh, that doesn't surprise me at all. I think we will see, I think there will be a contraction of the streaming market because it is sort of getting into this situation where it's looking like, it's becoming like cable all over again, right? Because you've got all these different services and each one costs like, you know, seven to 10 bucks a month or sometimes more. Like isn't HBO Max like 15 bucks or something?
00:37:47
Speaker
Well, actually, here's the thing. Why don't you guys get it for free? Right. Yeah, we get it through direct, you know, because we have direct TV and we already subscribed to HBO. Right. So yeah, so they give us that for free. Yeah. But yeah, it's like 15 bucks if you just buy it solo. Right. Yeah. So you're getting to this point soon where people are almost spending as much on these streaming services as they spend on cable TV. And the whole point of the cord cutting was that you'd be saving money on it.
00:38:15
Speaker
So I think there will be a contraction where people will be scrapping a lot of these services. They'll probably stick to the big ones like Netflix, Hulu, HBO Max, Disney Plus. I think those four are definitely the ones that will survive any sort of contractions in the market. But I think we are going to see this situation where people are canceling their subscriptions or pausing them and then resuming them when something they're waiting for comes out.
00:38:44
Speaker
Because you have a lot of people that, because I noticed that you have Pluto TV and you have Tubi TV. You have all of these other services that you still get the ads, but they're streaming services that show movies and TV shows and stuff like that. And Dacock has a huge free section, right? You can watch it with ads.
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, you have these free streaming services that have really grown in popularity. I've noticed, I mean, since the COVID hit. I mean, some of them, I didn't even know about Pluto TV until somebody told me that they had a dedicated Dr. Who channel.
00:39:23
Speaker
And so Dr. Who 24 seven. That's holy shit. I got to jump on this. And now, um, since Sean Connery passed away, they have a James Bond movie channel. So now you want James Bond movies or the, if you don't mind the advertisement, which a lot of people don't. Right. Yeah. Me, they pissed me off, you know, but you know, some people don't mind them, but, uh, yeah, but I agree with you. I think that,
00:39:47
Speaker
I think that of course Netflix is here to stay. Yeah, especially I was reading the story yesterday where they were talking about that there's an excellent chance that most of the Oscar nominations are going to be Netflix movies. That would make sense I mean with everything that's, yeah, you know, all the stuff that they come out with. Yeah.
00:40:05
Speaker
Yeah. And they haven't even released their really two big releases yet. They got Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, which is the last movie Chadwick Boseman made. And they're already talking about a posthumous Oscar nomination for that movie.
00:40:23
Speaker
And they've got the one coming out in December, also with Ma Ray's Black Bottom. They've got Mank, starring Gary Oldman as, what's the guy's name? Tom Mankiewicz, the guy who wrote Citizen Kane. Oh, OK, OK. So there's Oscar buzz about. So they're saying, yeah, they said most of the Oscar nominations are going to come from Netflix. So Netflix isn't going anywhere. Amazon Prime definitely isn't going anywhere. Yeah. I think that out of the most recent ones that have started up, HBO Max ain't going nowhere. Right, yeah.
00:40:53
Speaker
and okay so yeah you're right i forgot about amazon prime so those are the big five like you got amazon hulu netflix hbo max and disney plus those five are going anywhere right they ain't going nowhere they ain't going nowhere you know now the other ones i'm not so sure about i think you know you're going to see like cbs all access peacock all these other ones i think they're gonna they're gonna start striking deals and merging stuff and
00:41:17
Speaker
because they're gonna go the way of DC Universe where they just don't have the numbers to sustain it long-term. Well, you know, CBS All Access, they're gonna change your name.
00:41:26
Speaker
Oh really? Yeah, because they merged with Viacom. Oh, okay. Yeah, so they're changing their name already. They haven't only been... And really, what are they coasting on so far? They coasting on Star Trek. Right, yeah. Really, that's what they're selling, basically. Okay, well you want Star Trek, you got to come to us. But here's the thing, like if you have a VPN,
00:41:50
Speaker
Like if you use a VPN service, you can access like Netflix in countries outside the US. And because all access isn't in those countries. So they've got, you know, Voyager, maybe Picard as well. I know, not Voyager, what's the discovery? That one I know for sure, that's on Netflix in other countries. Right, yeah. So yeah, if you use a, turn on your VPN, say you're in Canada and you can watch Voyager with your Netflix subscription. Not Voyager, Discovery, whatever.
00:42:21
Speaker
But yeah, so, and anyway, so now we're talking about New Mutants. Now this movie was cursed.
00:42:35
Speaker
So Josh Boone, who directed it, he also directed The Fault in Our Stars. He's apparently a huge comic book fan growing up, a huge, especially New Mutants. And so him and his childhood best friend, Nate Lee, they put together a comic book with using panels from Claremont and Sinkevich New Mutants to kind of illustrate what a New Mutants film trilogy would look like.
00:43:03
Speaker
They took it to Simon Kinberg, who was producing the X-Men movies at the time, and also with Lauren Shuler Donner, and they loved it. And the idea was initially it was going to expand the X-Men franchise universe, and it was going to take place three years after X-Men Apocalypse. And Boone also sent his ideas to Sinkevich, and you know, Bill Sinkevich, amazing artist, who did some groundbreaking work.
00:43:32
Speaker
with his new moves. Absolutely. Yeah. And he sent some of the ideas to, to sign Kevin's and sign Kevin's said that Boone had it figured out and he wasn't just copying the comics. And they made a big attempt to make sure that this was like, just like Deadpool, just like Logan, it would be different from the, the core films, right? It would have this own unique original feel wouldn't just be copying what the singer movies had been doing.
00:44:02
Speaker
And then it started pre-production in 2017. They got the cast, they started filming. And then they had an initial cut, which apparently Fox was happy with at first. But after the release of IT,
00:44:28
Speaker
Right, they wanted to, the studio wanted the trailer to focus on the horror elements and basically trying to sell it as a horror movie. So they had been talking about changing some, doing some reshoots and they kept, Fox kept delaying it and delaying it and they eventually pushed it to after Dark Phoenix. And then,
00:44:54
Speaker
Because apparently, Fox was really scared, because this came after Fantastic Four, Josh Trank's Fantastic Four. So they were worried that with all these reshoots they were doing, just like Fantastic Four was doing, Fox was kind of worried that it was guaranteed it was going to be a flop.
00:45:19
Speaker
but then they, and then Disney eventually acquired it and then the COVID hit and it just kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. But then finally it came out, right? It came out in the theaters. It did not too well in the theaters, I don't think, but yeah, it doesn't say anything about, oh, here we go.
00:45:47
Speaker
23.8 million in the US, which was, you know, it was pretty, it made 3.1 million on its opening day. So it, yeah, it finished second behind tenant. Okay. But, and then, you know, they just kind of quietly dropped it on VOD last week, like nobody was really expecting that.
00:46:12
Speaker
Which is probably what they should have done right from Jump Street. They should have just said, you know what, let's just go ahead and put it in. You know, because, okay, let me say this, to start off with.
00:46:28
Speaker
Okay, I see where they were going with the horror elements. And I think that that's the way they actually should have went. They should actually have played up the horror elements more in this, I think. Cause I can see where they were going with it, but you know, when it really started to get like really dark and creepy, you can see where they pulled back. But I think that they had something there going for that horror type of element.
00:46:58
Speaker
Yeah, I think they should have pushed that, that element a little bit more. One thing about, okay. And I think this is what I want to get to.
00:47:11
Speaker
The X-Men movies put out by Fox. Okay. You and I could say they all day long and go back and forth about the relative quality of each movie from here until, you know, Sadie Hawkins day. But there's one thing that I have to give them credit for. No matter how bad the movie was or how misguided the finished product
00:47:36
Speaker
that we got was, there's one thing I have to give them credit for. They were not afraid to experiment with the formula and tried different things. And that's what they did here. And I appreciate that a lot that, yeah, they tried to give you something that was like a psychological horror edge to the superheroics and make it look like a different animal from the other X-Men movies. And you know what, I was watching it and I really did appreciate that a lot.
00:48:04
Speaker
Well, when you look at the, the X-Men movies, like the best ones have been the ones that have broken from that, the formula established by the original trilogy, right? When they try to stick to that formula afterwards, it didn't quite work. Like after X-Men 2, they tried to stick with the same formula with Last Stand, it was terrible. They tried to stick with that same formula with X-Men Origins Wolverine 2. Didn't work at all. And then,
00:48:33
Speaker
They put it on hold, and then they came back with first class. And first class played with the formula, and it was good. I mean, I got some issue with that movie, but in general, it was very successful. A lot of people loved it. Same thing with Days of Future Past. Days of Future Past kind of played with the formula a little bit, because I never thought we would see a Days of Future Past movie.
00:48:56
Speaker
right and we talked about that you know several episodes in another episode so you know you can go back and listen to that but you know nobody really and then and then they experimented again with um you know they did uh the wolverine was kind of playing with the the formula a little bit they tried to they kind of lost they kind of got they kind of got cold feet in the third act and they made it much more of a conventional superhero moving the third act
00:49:19
Speaker
But up until that point, the whole idea of Logan up in Japan, that was something different. It was something new. It wasn't the same thing that we saw in the Wolverine, in X-Men Origins. And then they did Deadpool. And Deadpool completely upended the formula.
00:49:34
Speaker
And then they did Logan, too. Logan completely upended the formula. No proof before all mutants. Right, yeah, exactly. That's a good way of putting it. But then they had Apocalypse, they had Dark Phoenix. Those didn't play with the formula. And it was just trying to do the exact same gimmick thing that First Class had done, which like, oh, well, let's make it a period piece.
00:49:58
Speaker
By that point, the period piece made sense in first class. It made sense in Days of Future Past. There was no reason that X-Men Apocalypse had to be set in the 80s. There was no reason that Dark Phoenix had to be set in the 90s, right? It had nothing to do. And it didn't really, it didn't make sense because nobody looked like they had aged like 20 years in those movies.
00:50:20
Speaker
It wasn't organic. It came over just an arbitrary decision. They said, okay, well, you know what? First class is so good. So let's just, and matter of fact, if, if they were to reboot X-Men right now, that's the way they should go. Like first movie, put it in the 1960s, then do the next one in the 1970s, then the eighties, then the nine, you know, do it. I would not do that because that's what they did here and it didn't work. And I felt like,
00:50:45
Speaker
The 60s made sense, right? You had the Cuban Missile Crisis, you had the Civil Rights metaphor, plus the synergy of the X-Men comics themselves coming out in the 1960s. And, you know, you got Matthew Vaughn, who's very much got sensibilities that suit kind of like a 60s spy thriller.
00:51:03
Speaker
so it made sense in that case but when they started and again Days of Future Past made sense as well because you're you're linking the two together so that that made sense to continue it from into the 70s and show what had happened in the 10 years since but after that i think they should have just jumped into the modern day they shouldn't have kept trying to do the period pieces because
00:51:24
Speaker
At that point, it just became nonsensical, right? Nothing about apocalypse needs to be connected to the 1980s. Nothing about Dark Phoenix needs to be, and it felt like they were just doing it just because that was the gimmick that they had established and they just wanted to stick with it. Right, yeah. Like I said, it was arbitrary. They said, okay, well, you know what? Let's just keep doing this.
00:51:46
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And so I was I joked at the time, like, when they were announced, like, apocalypse was gonna be set in the ages. I'm like, what are they gonna do is like, they eventually get to get to like the fifth movie that's set in the early 2000s. And there's gonna be conspiracy theories that Magneto was responsible for 911. Which is something I'm sure they would have done. It just they just kept on. Oh, no doubt. Yeah. And, and it just
00:52:11
Speaker
And obviously, the Disney bio to Fox is one of the best things that could have happened in the X-Men franchise, I think. Because it just kind of put that out of its misery, which was it was just continuing to go into nonsensical territory. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, they should have just ended it with Logan. That was it. Because that was the perfect ending. Yeah.
00:52:40
Speaker
But they got to chase the almighty dollar. They said, well, let's go to the well one more time. Let's keep milking this cow until she can't give them no more. All right. Now, even with all that said, I liked a lot of this movie. I know it's gotten some
00:53:05
Speaker
you know, bad reviews online and stuff like that. But I thought it was pretty good. I like the focus on the horror. I think the real strength of this movie is really in the cast. Like, I think they got a really good cast to play these characters. That chick, and I had seen her, and as a matter of fact, I'm kind of glad I saw her.
00:53:27
Speaker
in the Queen's Gambit before I saw her in this one, because I appreciated her performance more and her range as an actress. Seeing her in this, the trick that played Ileana. Oh, Anya Taylor-Joy. Because when I first saw her, I said, my God, if she doesn't look like she stepped right off the comic book. Oh, my God, yeah.
00:53:48
Speaker
If there is any perfect casting in this movie, it is definitely her. Yeah, and know something? This is how perfect it was. Even with my limited knowledge of the new mutants, when I saw her, I knew immediately who that was. I saw that's Alana. Yeah. That's Alana. I said, OK, yeah. You know, that's her. Now, the other ones, I kind of like, kind of, once the guy with the baseball cap started talking, I said, OK, well, that's Sam. Yes. Yeah, Charlie.
00:54:14
Speaker
Right, Robert Dacosta, he threw me off a bit because I'm used to him being darn skin. Right, yeah, he's Afro-Brazilian. In fact, he's Afro-Brazilian, yeah. Henry Zaga was cast. There's actually some controversy over that because he's Afro-Brazilian, Bobby's Afro-Brazilian in the comics.
00:54:32
Speaker
Yeah so yeah but I mean you know when I saw her yeah there was no question who that was and I said oh my god I said I said now you know what that's casting. Maisie Williams another one perfect casting for for Rain Sinclair for Wolfsbane right she looks like she's yeah yeah she was very good I liked her a lot. Now where the casting fell apart was when they got Alice Braga to play Cecilia Reyes
00:54:58
Speaker
because, you know, Cecilia Ray's is, you know, Puerto Rican. And so Alice Braga is definitely not Puerto Rican. Now, wait a minute. Was she a good guy?
00:55:09
Speaker
Yeah, that too. Dr. Ray is here. She was a member of the X-Men. She was introduced in the 90s in the Operation Zero Tolerance crossover. And her whole thing was Xavier had come to her years before and she had refused. And she said she didn't want to be involved in the mutant business. She just wanted to be a doctor and take care of people that way. Because her power was basically just like in this. She has a force field that surrounds herself.
00:55:37
Speaker
it was like this very low key power that she could use and she wouldn't have to expose herself. So she just wanted to live a normal life. And then the Sentinels came after her and then she ended up getting sucked up into the mutant stuff. And eventually she became a doctor for the X-Men and she's gone in and out of the comics here and there, but mostly just been, she hasn't really been an active member of the team since the 90s. Oh, and I actually appreciated
00:56:07
Speaker
her character because she was a mutant because, okay, my understanding that her character was like, there was all these mutants that had no interest in putting on spandex and fighting Magneto. They just wanted to live, you know, as normal a life.
00:56:25
Speaker
you know, as they could, which I thought was a pretty, you know, reasonable way to go with a lot of characters. You know what? Because I think, well, you know what? There's probably a lot of mutants out there that don't have powers that would be very useful in a fight anyway. Yeah. So, you know, why should they go risk their lives? You know, like I said, you know, fighting the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Yeah. And my, yeah, that is that she was a great character to put in that way, but
00:56:55
Speaker
And you know what? Because here's the thing, you know who they originally cast as Cecilia Ray's? Who? Rosario Dawson, who would have been perfect. And I don't know why, but Alice Braga had somehow, Ray's got cut out and Braga got in. And we don't really, I don't think there's been any details revealed about why, but
00:57:22
Speaker
But yeah, I just don't understand why they would choose a character who is, or why they would even use Cecilia Ray's in this role anyway. Like it's just, it's so far of a departure from the character. Yeah, exactly. You know what? Cause I'm watching it and I'm saying, you know what? They could just very easily have made this an original character. Oh, definitely. Well, cause he basically was. But the only reason why they did this, I think because, okay, first of all, this is a movie that I think that,
00:57:50
Speaker
really benefits if you're an X-Men fan or if you're a New Mutants fan and you know a lot of the history and backstory of these characters. I think it does because when you, okay, if you don't know who Dr. Reyes is, who really right from her first scene should be wearing a sign around her neck saying, you will eventually curse me for my sudden and inevitable betrayal. Yeah.
00:58:19
Speaker
If you don't know who she is, I mean, you know, from the comics, okay, it doesn't bug you. But if you do know her from the comics, okay, now you're lulled into a sense of security saying, oh yeah, well, she's one of the good guys. You know, I can trust her. And before we go further, I would just like to mention that I love seeing her pop up because she is the niece of Sonya Braga.
00:58:43
Speaker
okay if you don't know who she is folks look her up she let me just say that before there was a Salma Hayek there was a Sonia Braga and I'll just leave it at that yeah Sonia Braga uh oh yeah I'm just looking her up now yeah you're right yeah she was Salma Hayek before there was Salma Hayek you know
00:59:08
Speaker
But, and also Alicia Braga, she is in a terrific crime drama called Queen of the South. If you haven't seen it, my wife turned me on to it, it's excellent, so. She was also in City of God too, which is apparently an amazing movie. I've got that movie, I gotta actually watch it sometime. I mean, she's a good, this movie is not what I would say. Okay, if you didn't know anything about her and you asked me to recommend
00:59:37
Speaker
one of her, I would not recommend this one. And you know what? That's not even because she turns in a bad acting job in this movie. It's just that I didn't like the way her character was presented. I didn't like the way her character was written. Oh, same here. Yeah. Oh, she's going to be in the Suicide Squad apparently too. Really? Yeah. She's going to be playing Soul Soria. Good for her. But yeah, I mean, she's a, she's a great actress. Like I loved her in
01:00:05
Speaker
predators, I loved her in repo men. But yeah, it's just like her, her character, the way she's written, and, you know, some of the story stuff here, they tried to, this is one of the, this is one of the problems with the movie I had is that it, this is one of the foxisms that comes in where they take a character name, and just slap it on a completely different creation just because, oh, it's a name from the comics.
01:00:31
Speaker
right yeah like they did this with um even though it was a good movie William Stryker to some extent right he wasn't a military scientist in the comics he was a he was a reverend and um also mastermind his son Jason right they just oh well we got this character who makes illusions let's make him Stryker's son and make him cast illusions on professor x they they just take these names they slap it on the characters just because they
01:00:58
Speaker
They can't. And they just kind of rework all the characters to fix fit around that. They do the same thing with Cecilia Ray's in this movie. And that was one of the annoying things. They did it too with Silox, strangely enough, in The Last Stand. She appears as a teleporter for the brotherhood. And she just has like, her Callisto can suddenly track mutants, right? They just take the names, just slap it on these characters. Yeah, yeah.
01:01:30
Speaker
You make a good point where you say that they just think, well, it's from the comic book. So, you know, as long as it's from the comic book, they won't care. Yeah, yeah.
01:01:40
Speaker
So that's one of the things that Fox became kind of known for doing. And that's one of the Foxisms that creeps into this movie. Another thing is like, they keep trying to, the fact that they keep trying to tease the fact that, oh, she's working for Professor X,
New Mutants: X-Men Franchise Placement
01:01:55
Speaker
right? They try to throw that in as a red herring. And like, there's that scene where Bobby's in the wheelchair and he puts his fingers to his head as if to imitate Professor X, like, oh, who do you think her employer is? Okay, now,
01:02:11
Speaker
You know what, and I'm glad you brought that up because I'm watching that scene where he goes and they're talking about the X-Men. They say, oh yeah, well you know about the, you know who the X-Men are, right? Yeah, sure, the X-Men. And yeah, he does, he's in a wheelchair and he does that thing where he touches his temple. I said, wait a minute. So therefore he must know who Professor X is. He knows Professor X. And he knows that he's a telepath. How does he know that?
01:02:34
Speaker
So this is one of the problems with the Fox movies, right? Nobody knows what the continuity really is for these movies anymore because, well, no, wait, okay. So if this takes place after apocalypse, then, because in the beginning of Dark Phoenix, the X-Men were kind of like celebrity superheroes and Professor X had like a direct line to the White House. So if we're following with the first-class continuity, then it does make sense.
01:03:03
Speaker
that Professor X would have been publicly known as the leader of the X-Men, which was kind of what was established by the end of Apocalypse and the beginning of Dark Phoenix. So based on that, it does make a kind of sense. So Professor X would have told everybody he's a telepath. Oh, yeah, sure. I can take over your minds any time I feel like it. Well, yeah, that's what happened in the beginning of Dark Phoenix. He was known as the leader of the X-Men.
01:03:35
Speaker
He also did that in the comic books too. He became outed in the comic books as well as a mutant and like the leader of the X-Men. That happened, actually was it his idea to do it? He was possessed at the time by a supervillain and in effect to try and turn public perception against mutants outed Professor X as a mutant. But then when Xavier got control over his body again, he realized, oh, I can actually use this to my advantage.
01:04:05
Speaker
OK, now, OK, I get what you're saying, and I'm not disputing it. But what I'm saying is that that gesture that he makes where he puts the two fingers to his temple, that's an active thing that lets us know, the audience know, that OK, Professor X is using his powers. How would Bobby know that Professor X does that? Because again, Professor X is a public figure and publicly known as a mutant after Dark Phoenix.
01:04:37
Speaker
The Dark Phoenix movie established that Professor X is a telepath, the public knew that Professor X is a telepath who leads the X-Men. Like they'd been doing it between Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. The X-Men have been- Okay, I got that part. Right. But I'm saying, how does he know that Professor X makes that gesture?
01:04:57
Speaker
I just assume it'd be pretty common knowledge that, you know, just like, you know, that Cyclops touches his visor when he shoots his optic blast, right? They've probably seen footage of Xavier in battle situations or something where he's used his powers. Okay, at this point, I feel that you're reaching to make your point, but I'm gonna let you have it. But anyway, my whole thing with that is just that,
01:05:26
Speaker
they keep trying to make it, they keep trying to play up the red herring with her constantly referring to my employers. And I'm just like, we know it's not Professor X. Yeah. I mean, you know what, after the fourth or fifth time when she made a mysterious reference to her superiors, I said, it's not Professor X. Yes.
01:05:49
Speaker
Also, they had another hint. So it's the Essex Corporation is in charge. And so... Okay. That's what I meant to ask you. And I didn't want to cheat and look at it because I wanted to ask you, you know, while we were doing this. That's Mr. Sinister, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Sinister's real name is Nathaniel Essex. So Essex Corporation.
01:06:11
Speaker
they had a reference to this too in um also in i think it was i think it was either dark phoenix or apocalypse one of the two they also had another reference to the essex corporation in those movies too so if the fox movies had continued they were planning to try to set up mr sinister at some point okay because that was something that had been teased over that people were wondering you know when are we going to see sinister because we'd seen you know
01:06:35
Speaker
We've gotten tons of Magneto. We tried to get Apocalypse and that was, and so they were gonna try to, and then Sinister was the last of the big three X-Men villains. So that was the one they were trying to lead up into next, if the series had continued on.
01:06:56
Speaker
but there's also references to Logan in this, right? The footage that they watch of those, which made me wonder, you know, when exactly is this film set, right? Because- Yeah, that was kind of weird that they were watching Logan. Well, not they're watching Logan, but they were watching the footage that Logan saw of Laura.
01:07:20
Speaker
Yeah, right, yeah. So it seems like it's set at the same, which also is, my guess is maybe this is set a few years before Logan, like maybe a year or two, because in Logan, you know, Xavier had his stroke or whatever it was that made his powers go haywire and kill the X-Men. And I think in Logan, they said that it had been two years since that had happened, if I'm remembering correctly.
01:07:49
Speaker
So I'm thinking, my guess is this is probably set a little bit before that, because that would explain how they can have the footage of X-23 and the other mutant kids. Yeah, well, you know what? I would prefer to think that this happens before Logan, because it's- Oh, I think it does. But I think it's not long before Logan. I don't think this is a present day movie necessarily.
01:08:15
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Okay. I got what I get where you're going. Yeah. Yeah. It's set somewhere between the end of X-Men Days of Future Past when Wolverine wakes up in the new timeline and look, it's set somewhere between there, I think. Okay. At least that's kind of the feel I got because that would explain why they can have that same footage.
01:08:38
Speaker
And so, because if it's set after Logan, or even at the same time as Logan, then it doesn't make sense why they'd be talking about the X-Men, because the X-Men are dead by that point. Right, exactly, yeah. And they talk about the X-Men like they're still alive. Right, yeah.
01:08:56
Speaker
As a matter of fact, they are even talking about, because Dr. Reyes, she makes a suggestion that once they are finished, whatever treatment it is that they're going to go through there, that they're going to go to Xavier School and be X-Men. Yeah. So the Essex Corporation, it just became kind of obvious that they weren't
01:09:21
Speaker
going to be doing Professor X. And also, there was another clue early on. So one of Sinister's aliases was Nathan Milbury. He used in like the one point in his life. And if you remember at the beginning, when we saw the outside when Danny's first going into the hospital, it's like called the Milbury Clinic or something. Yeah. So that was when I saw that, I'm like, oh, OK, it's Sinister.
01:09:52
Speaker
So they put those little hints in there. But yeah, I just thought they just kept trying to, if anything, you know what, if you're gonna try to do the red herring, just come right out and say, you know, have Ray's lie and say that, yes, you know, I'm working for Professor X and then later reveal that it's actually the Essex corporation. Right, exactly. I mean, you know, why be coy about it? I mean, listen, you're lying to them already. Right. So why not just say, yeah, I'm working for, oh yeah, me him like this. Yeah, yeah.
01:10:21
Speaker
But I mean it's not like you can go anywhere to check up on you. So this is what I'm saying they got the force, you know, she's got the force field up so you know they're not going anywhere. And, which also explain why because one of the things that it bothered me while I was watching this.
01:10:41
Speaker
Although I did appreciate the creepiness of the situation that these kids found themselves in, I did find it a little bit hard to take that none of them questioned why there was no other staff except for Dr. Reyes. Yeah.
01:10:55
Speaker
you know, they was in there. I mean, because it seemed like Bobby, the only thing they had him do was wash the dishes through the whole movie, really. He was in the kitchen washing dishes, you know. So apparently he was cooking the meals and he was doing everything. You know, I don't know. I found that a lot, a little bit, I said, okay, well, you know what? I'm going to go with it. But, you know,
01:11:16
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I mean, there's nobody to clean the toilets. There's nobody to take out the garbage. You know, it's just her alone. And it just struck me kind of off that none of these kids because they all.
01:11:28
Speaker
seemed to me to be very intelligent children, especially Bobby, who comes from Brazil and he's got a wealthy father. So he knows how these things work. It just seems to me they went along with the situation a little bit too, but that's just me. No, I agree with you. This movie really suffers in the storytelling. The cast is good, the characters are good, the creepy elements are really well done.
01:11:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's what I said earlier. I really wish that they had pushed the horror elements a little bit more because the way this started, you know, once they get to the hospital, it reminded me a lot of the novels of a writer called Rod, is it Robert Cormier?
01:12:15
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or he wrote a bunch of young adult novels. Was it the Bumblebee, Flies Anyway, the Chocolate War, but there were young adult novels about- Oh, I read the chocolate. I remember reading the Chocolate War. Robert Cormier, yeah. Oh, okay. So you know where I'm going with this. He would write these novels that had these teenagers in these weird situations. And they would be in these institutions, like mental institutions. And there was an era of,
01:12:41
Speaker
they were slightly surrealistic, because you would never know if this was stuff like these kids were imagining, or was it really happening, or what. And I got that same vibe from this movie when, you know, once we got to the hospital, that it was one of his novels. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, Robert Cormier, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It definitely does have that kind of feel to it, and it's
01:13:09
Speaker
It's got, it also has a very Stephen King feel to it, right? Yeah, yeah. And like he had described, it does, they do kind of feel like, you know, you got this kind of sense where, and maybe it's because, you know, I'd seen, I'd seen it chapter two recently, but you know, it's got that very same kind of feel with the Losers Club from it.
01:13:33
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Yeah, exactly. I got that vibe from, you know, with this whole gang of misfit, you know, they're on their little island of misfit toys, you know. Yeah. Um, yeah. And the, so the characters are great. The horror elements are really well done, but the story, the story doesn't really have, it's not really a cohesive story. Like there's all these holes in the storytelling.
01:13:59
Speaker
And I'm not sure if that's due to reshoots or due to script changes, but whatever the case, it just like story wise, the movie just kind of falls flat, I think. Well, I, well, okay. I think that what they were, that they were so determined not to make this your typical superhero movie. And it's not. And that's why I recommend this movie, you know, because it's not your typical,
01:14:26
Speaker
superhero movie, you know, you don't have costumes, you don't have, the closest we come to a costume is when Iliana, when she has that arm, when she arm is up her arm, and you know, yeah, that's the closest we get to it. And there is an attempt- The Eldritch Armor.
01:14:44
Speaker
Right, there is an attempt at a little bit of psychological drama with them being haunted by these images from their past that they don't know if they're real or not, or you know where they're coming from or how they're manifesting themselves in the real world. So yeah, but
01:15:05
Speaker
I don't know. Like you said, the story is, they are going for that, but they couldn't quite get there. Yeah. For whatever reason. I don't know if it was in the direction or if it was in the writing or whatever, but they couldn't quite get to where they wanted to go. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I just got to say the smiling men in the smiling men in particular, man, those guys were freaking creepy. Oh yeah. And in fact, do you know who provided the voices?
01:15:34
Speaker
Oh, why don't you tell me? Marilyn Manson. Oh, that whacked out singer? Yeah, yeah. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah, he provided the voices for him. And they're physically portrayed by Dustin Sighthamer. I'm not sure. Because you know what I thought? I thought, because just before they appear,
01:15:56
Speaker
Okay, the New Mutants, they're watching an episode of Buffy that's got the gentlemen on there. Yeah, there's a lot of- There's also another reference to Buffy too, because they have another- Oh, yeah. Earlier on, they had this where Rain is watching it, and it's a scene between Willa and Tara, Willa and Tara, and that's kind of a hint that the relationship between her and Danny.
01:16:22
Speaker
Right, yeah. So I was saying, wait a minute. There's an awful lot of Buffy shit that they're putting in here. And I was trying to figure out, OK, well, is somehow what they're watching on TV manifesting itself? Because it seems like that's all they watch is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I don't think so. I can understand where you'd come from that. But the whole thing, because she does, I get the sense that Ileana was a victim of child trafficking.
01:16:48
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. And so the smiling men is like the reference to like the customers who would come see her and she's like, you know, they're always smiling, they don't care what they do, you know? And I think that was, you know, the kind of idea of like them just using her for their own gratification.
Character Analysis in New Mutants
01:17:05
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And that's just kind of like the way her child mind interpreted it at the time because she said that she goes into herself and that's where she went into limbo.
01:17:14
Speaker
So that was kind of an interesting way to do that. Like I'm not, it left me wondering, is limbo a real place? Is it, you know, is it really like this hell dimension? So it made, it left me asking questions about that, but. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Is this actual place that she goes to or is it someplace that's just in her mind? Well, something else too I loved is Lockheed. I love the love that they worked in Lockheed first as like this puppet she's always wearing on her hand.
01:17:45
Speaker
Yeah, you know what? That kind of confused me because I only know Lockheed for when he was hanging out with Kitty Pry. Well, yeah, he and he still does that. Like that's basically his thing is he's Kitty's pet.
01:17:57
Speaker
but you don't have Kitty in this movie, but her and Ileana were best friends. So it makes sense kind of to pass her over to Ileana. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cause I was, cause I'm watching it and I'm saying, wait a minute, Lockheed, wait a minute. Wasn't he with Kitty? And then I said, okay, well maybe they'll explain it going on down. But then as you say, the continuity of these movies are so convoluted that, you know, yeah.
01:18:22
Speaker
See, I think that was kind of a nod to her relationship to Kitty in the comics. Also, it works as a nice way to it. It does make sense. Like she goes into limbo and she comes back and Lockheed's a real dragon. Yeah, I like that. Oh, I like that too. I laughed when that happened. Oh yeah, that was a great scene. I mean, just, you know what? Basically everything with magic I loved in this movie.
01:18:48
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I mean, she, I mean, listen, if this movie has an MVP, is that check? Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Because I mean, she steals every scene that she's in. Yeah. And I like the fact that she is, you know, okay, you think that
01:19:06
Speaker
you know, she's just being a nasty huzzy, you know, for no reason at all. But the longer the movie goes on, she's like an onion, the more layers we see. Yes, yeah. Out of all the characters that's in here, I mean like Sam is pretty much, you know, one-dimensional. Although I did like, like kind of foreshadowing his eventually becoming the leader of the New Mutants when they're being attacked
01:19:31
Speaker
you know, by those creepy guys and everything like that. He takes charge. Yeah, yeah. And he starts giving orders, you know, and I like that. You know, Bobby is just like, okay, he's just a big strong guy. Yeah, yeah. But I really liked, I really liked, maybe it's just cause I'm biased cause Cannibal is one of my favorite New Mutants characters, but I really liked Charlie Heaton as, and what he did with him in this movie. You know what?
01:19:56
Speaker
I remember years ago, and you might remember this when I was writing fan fiction, and I had to write Cannonball. And I couldn't get a handle on his character. And then I was writing a scene with him and Captain America. And I said, oh, wait a minute. That's who Cannonball is. Eventually, he's going to be Captain America. Yeah, yeah.
01:20:19
Speaker
He's got those same qualities. Well, because yeah, Cannonball has been, he's been trained by the big three leaders, right? He was trained by Professor X. He was trained by Magneto. He was trained by Cable. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's something that they were really leaning towards back in the, it's kind of falling apart now, but for a while there, they were building up Cannonball in like the nineties to eventually become like Mr. X-Man.
01:20:47
Speaker
Yeah. Like he was the next generation of Cyclops. Exactly. Exactly. Cause that's how I always characterize Cyclops. Cyclops is, Cyclops is, you know, okay, for the mutant community, he's their captain America. Yeah. And I saw Cannonball as eventually stepping into that role. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So I, I liked, maybe it's just, I'm biased because, because I love Cannonball, but I did see those kinds of hints in Heaton's performance. So I did like what he had done. Um,
01:21:17
Speaker
And also the fact that he's the way he trains himself, right? Like he's in the beginning of the movie. Like that also kind of fit with my perception of cannibal, right? He's trying to better himself.
01:21:31
Speaker
That kind of cracked me up, because the girl said, what the hell is he doing? He said, I don't know. He does this shit from time to time. I think he's trying to kill himself. And he's going around in all these crazy circles. Yeah, but you can see out of all of them, he's the only one that's trying to understand his powers. Right, yeah. And how it works and how he can control it. You don't see any of the other characters in this movie. Well, Eliana, well. Well, Eliana seems to already have her shit down.
01:22:01
Speaker
oh yeah oh yeah she's got her shit together 100 she don't need no training she's got you know but it is interesting that out of the other ones that we see sam is the only one that we see you know try i mean uh sunspot he only uses his power when he's forced into it i really love the scene where
01:22:21
Speaker
He busts into flames and he's in the pool and Dr. Reyes runs in there and she takes a long pole and she shows them in the pool and there's a cloud of steam and all the water's gone. Yeah, that was a really good situation. We see him in there, oh shit. You know, that's how hot he is. Yeah, yeah. He just like instantly evaporated all the water in the pool. Yeah, and I thought Ray was really well done too. Maisie Williams I thought did a really good job.
01:22:51
Speaker
And they did, and I think, because also Josh Boone, he had a really strict religious upbringing. He had really strict evangelical parents. So he had really identified with Reign's character and it really kind of shows.
01:23:07
Speaker
Yeah, I was kind of, because I wasn't sure at first, I said, well, is this chick a werewolf or what? Because she changed completely into a wolf at one time, I believe. So I wasn't like, and like I said, I'm not that familiar with the new mutants. Anytime I ran across them in a comic book, it probably was because they were in X-Men comic books. So I did not know exactly how her powers worked.
01:23:34
Speaker
Yeah, initially, she did have powers just like this, like she initially changed fully into a wolf, just like a regular wolf. Then over time, you know, she got her genes messed with and by the Ingenosia, and she had kind of had to stay in like this transitional state between human and wolf. And that's kind of come to define like her regular form more or less, and she's become more like a
01:24:01
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like it used to be that she turned into more of a actual wolf, like she had just transformed into a wolf. And then over time, it became more of like a wolf man situation, where she becomes like this wolf-human hybrid.
01:24:16
Speaker
But in the original, but yeah, originally it was just like it's portrayed here. Okay. Cause I'm saying, wait a minute, what's the deal with this chick? Is she a wolf? Is she a werewolf? Is she a couple? Because when she attacks the doctor, she's like half, half human, half wolf. Yeah. You know?
01:24:35
Speaker
but then later she changes completely into wolf form. Yeah. And then I think there's one scene where she's trying to hear because she can hear Danny calling for help and she just like partially changes. So we see the wolf ears so she can hear better. Well, that was something else too that came from the comics as well because when in the comics there was a telepathic bond between Danny and Rain when Rain was in her wolf form.
01:25:04
Speaker
So that was kind of another tie to that. Oh, okay. Yeah. And then the, the idea of the love story was also kind of a natural extension of that. Because they weren't, they weren't together in the comics. Both of them are straight in the comic books. They did have, they actually did have a lesbian member of the New Mutants. And that was a Karma who was Vietnamese descent. But here's, okay, but here's the thing.
01:25:34
Speaker
Okay. And see, this is going to get me into trouble. I know folks, this is going to get me into trouble, but okay. I didn't. Okay. They kiss, but it didn't strike me as being like,
01:25:51
Speaker
Okay, here's why I get in trouble. It didn't straighten as being a lesbian kiss, if you know what I mean. It's just that the two of them find themselves in this incredibly weird situation, and they bond it very quickly in a short amount of time, and they just want to show each other how much they appreciate how fast they've grown to lean on each other, if that makes any sense. I can see that. I think
01:26:17
Speaker
maybe with Raines on Raines' side of it, but I get the feeling that Danny already knows that she's attracted to women, right? Because there's that scene when Maisie says, Raines says, like, you know, I've never done this before. And Danny says, what, with a girl, right? And there's something in the way she said that and how confident she was saying that, that it kind of implied that she knows this about herself already.
01:26:46
Speaker
Right, she may have experimented already, but the other girl, she said flat out, well, I never did this with anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:26:56
Speaker
But yeah, you're right. It could be that it's just that situation, the fact that they're really the only two that they've developed any sort of bond with. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't, it just didn't strike me as this was like lust or love or anything like that. It's just that, okay, we're together. And yeah, it was a nice, you know, they're looking at the rain on, you know, the force field and anything like that. And if the time is right, then if the mood is right, anything can happen. Right. You know, I mean,
01:27:28
Speaker
I don't know if they have went to a sequel, if they have pursued that relationship between them, but I will say they do make a cute couple. They do, they make a very nice couple. I think it would have, because that seemed to be something that Boone and Maisie Williams both felt was really key is that love story between them. So I think if we had gotten a sequel to this, there would have been further development of that.
01:27:55
Speaker
And I did like how in the last shot when they're all walking out of the, you know, they're walking past the gates to go out because they're gonna walk to the town, they're holding hands. Yeah, yeah. I thought that was kind of sweet. Yeah. Okay, so apparently there was originally going to be a post credit scene with Jon Hamm as Mr. Sinister.
01:28:24
Speaker
Oh, okay. But then Apocalypse failed. They decided not to do that. But they were going to have another post-credits scene with Antonio Banderas as Sunspot's father. Oh, okay. And Kinberg later denied this. And apparently Sinister was supposed to be in the canceled gambit film. So there's a lot of stuff that was kind of like planned to be set up in here that didn't quite work out.
01:28:58
Speaker
But I don't know, overall, I thought it was a good movie. It had some, like we talked about, it had the story problems, but the young cast is really good. And I would not be opposed to seeing, at the very least, Anya Taylor-Joy come back when they introduced the mutants into the MCU.
01:29:19
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. They, I mean, they should move heaven and earth to try to get her to come back. I mean, you know what? I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised. And I saw this movie today because, you know, usually I could have watched it any other time of the week, but you know what? I did something a little bit different today because I started watching this at like about like four o'clock. Yeah. But usually what I do is that I watch the movies that we talk about like a day or two in advance.
01:29:47
Speaker
But given that this movie it has such controversy around it. And, you know, all of the backstory that went along with it. I didn't want to give this movie time to marinate
01:30:01
Speaker
in my brain where I could intellectualize, I just wanted to go on my gut feeling. That's why I wanted to watch it. So when I talked about it, everything was still fresh. So that it would be a gut reaction and not me having the day or two to think about, well, they should have did this and they should have did that. And I'm rewriting this in my head and all that other BS that nobody cares about. I just wanted to present a gut reaction of this movie. So that's why I waited till today to watch it.
01:30:31
Speaker
And my gut reaction is that given everything that I've heard about it, this is nowhere near as bad as I thought it was going to be. No, definitely. I'm going to be honest. I was expecting a complete shit show and I was pleasantly surprised that it was nowhere near as bad as I thought it was going to be. Yeah, this is definitely of the.
01:30:54
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Now we could actually do this. If I was to rank the X-Men movies, I would definitely put this above some of the other... The weird thing about the X-Men movies is the spin-offs tend to be better than the actual, the core movies. You know what? That's an excellent observation and I agree with you because I know that
01:31:17
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that I think about it, I think I've enjoyed the spirit. Like I've enjoyed, you know, the Wolverine movies, Logan, this one.
01:31:29
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Deadpool to some extent, not too much. But again, as I said at the top of this, you know, we started talking about this. The one thing that I appreciate about Fox is that they were not scared to do different things. I mean, you know, with these movies, it wasn't just like the same type of movie. They were cranking out over and over and over again, even with the ones that failed, you know,
01:31:52
Speaker
They said, okay, well, let's mix up the formula and do something different. And that's what they did with this one. They definitely mixed it up. It definitely is a different move. The only thing that I think that would make this movie better, like I said before, is if they had amped up the horror elements a little bit more. Because I could see where they were going with that, but I don't think they just went far enough.
01:32:15
Speaker
Okay, yeah, yeah, I kind of agree with that. And my issues are mostly with the story elements, but overall, you know, entertaining enough movie and it's not like the, this is another thing, I think this movie has been unfairly slapped as like the conclusion of Fox's X-Men universe, but it was never intended to be that. So I feel like people who are judging it because it's not a fitting conclusion,
01:32:43
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to the X-Men universe are kind of, you know, they're expecting the movie to be something it was never intended to be. And then also we have to remember that this movie was delayed like what, two or three times? Yeah. It kept being pushed back and everything like that. Yeah. So you're right. It never was intended to be, matter of fact, I remember reading someplace that it was intended as being a trilogy. Right. Yeah. You know,
01:33:07
Speaker
so uh but yeah the real end of fox's x-men universe is really logan like that's right yeah like this one i think of this movie as this movie it was just released at the wrong time yeah yeah it definitely was and i definitely would put it above dark phoenix or apocalypse oh hell yeah yeah or the last stand
01:33:30
Speaker
Yes, definitely. Yeah, I would definitely put it above all. Yeah, go watch this before you watch it, especially Dorm Phoenix. Oh, about that movie. We'll get to that eventually. Apocalypse. Oh my God, Apocalypse. That was another one. Yeah, I don't know what that was. No, let's not do this. Listen, we can only do Apocalypse if you can let me drink during the episode.
01:33:55
Speaker
You say it's okay, because Apocalypse, I watch that thing. You know what, Apocalypse is the type of movie, because you know I'm not really into it, but I felt bad for fans of X-Men. Yeah. I did. I really felt bad for fans of X-Men to get about. That movie was an insult. It was, it was. As one of those X-Men fans, I can definitely vouch for that. Yeah, that was an insult.
01:34:21
Speaker
you guys would have been better off not having any movie at all than having that one. Oh, same thing. Same thing with dark Phoenix too. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. You'd have been better off having no movie at all. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Totally agree. Such a, such a monumental. And you know what? That's what really bothers me, the waste of time and talent. Yes. Yeah. I mean, you got Oscar Isaacs, right? It would have been an amazing choice for, for apocalypse, but you know, the,
01:34:49
Speaker
We better stop talking about it now, because I'll go on a rant for over two hours. Yeah, let's stop talking about it. All right, so now let's move on. We'll
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01:34:58
Speaker
get to it eventually. We'll get to it eventually, and it's morning here for me when we do this show, but I'll be drinking when we do that one too.
01:35:09
Speaker
All right, okay, so that means let's talk about something more pleasant now, which is our next pick because we've already decided, well, the fans have decided that they want us to do Avengers for our big 50th episode live commentary, so. Right.
01:35:28
Speaker
So we got one more movie to go before then, because this is episode 48. We still got to do 49. So I thought best thing to do is let's look at Iron Man, because that's the only one of the pre-Avengers origin movies that we haven't seen yet. And as you so accurately pointed out, it would be only fitting that when we do Avengers to go back to where it all started. Yes. You know, with the MCU and, you know,
01:35:58
Speaker
the big daddy that kicked it all off, which is of course, Iron Man. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, come back next week. We'll talk about Iron Man and the start of the MCU. And until then head on over to facebook.com. Superhero Cinephiles is the name of our group. You know, go in there, join up.
01:36:16
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Joining any discussions we got up on there, dear post reviews and occasional polls and whatnot, making you choose between two movies or two characters or whatever the case may
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01:36:28
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be. I just do my part to keep your guys entertained. Also, we're on Instagram and Twitter, SuperCinemapod for both of those. And yeah, that does it for us and we'll be back next week to talk about Iron Man.
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