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Episode 21 - Guest Chloe Talks ADHD, Dyspraxia And Life
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Paul and Martin (co-Mayors of ADHDville) chat with Tik Tok's Neurodivergent Mama AKA Chloe about ADHD and Dyspraxia. Along the way we get into hairdressing, Naan Bread and Saints in-training.
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Transcript
Introduction and Purpose
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Start now. So we're in the room. You know what? I know that this is totally unrelated to anything at all. Okay. Right. Which is always a great way to start a podcast. Right. I saw something on TikTok, right, about non-prepared.
00:00:23
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Right. Right. Which we all know. Right. Right. So naan is the Indian for the word bread. So we say naan bread. It just means bread bread. Bread bread. Love that. Which then took me down a sort of a slightly squirrely root of finding out that chai means tea. So just say tea tea. OK. And bao bun just means bun bun.
00:00:54
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Lentil Dal means like lentil lentil.
00:00:59
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So, yeah. All right. And then, here's you saying that coming from New York, New York. So good they named it twice. So good they named it twice. See, I did that, yeah. I did what? And on that, I've done that musical intro. Cliff Haggard. Yeah, that's Bombshell.
00:01:24
Speaker
Bob Show. Yeah, we usually say Bob Show, don't we? Yeah. Let's keep it consistent. Welcome to ADHDville. It's the intro. It's the intro. I'm excited for this one.
Guest Introductions and ADHD Journeys
00:01:52
Speaker
And first off is Paul. Hello, hello everyone. My name is Paul Thompson. I was diagnosed with ADHD in a big massive giant hospital about five months ago. Yeah. Wow. Five months. Five months. It's flown. It has flown. I know. And yeah, I'm Martin West and I was diagnosed in 2013. So that's a chunk of time. And Chloe,
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I was diagnosed as a child with ADD and dyspraxia and that was in 1998. You're the winner. Send us your address and we'll send you a prize.
00:02:47
Speaker
They never really concentrated on the ADD as a kid. It was the dyspraxia.
00:02:57
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focused on with the struggles. And I think it's a bit of both, really. OK. Yeah. OK. We can get into that. Exactly. So our listeners and viewers probably already guessed, we've got a guest episode today with Chloe, which is great. Our friend on TikTok.
Theme and Concept of the Show
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Speaker
Our friend on TikTok.
00:03:28
Speaker
Chloe from Watford, you're from Watford, right? Yeah. Okay, cool. Okay, so let's do our little intro. So we're just two mates who, by coincidence or not, after 39 years of friendship, discovered that we're co-ADHDers. Hooray! Hooray, hurrah! Yeah, yeah.
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Now, it's really important to say this is an entertainment podcast about adult ADHD. It does not substitute for individualized advice from qualified health professionals. So don't take any advice from us. No, no, no. We're just here to kind of all-inclusive ADHD part-bench with room for everyone, including your doppelgangers, your alter egos, your buddy doubles, your chaperones, and even your best buddies.
00:04:08
Speaker
Chaperones. OK, still here. Pardon? Chaperones. Sorry, I'm just... Chaperones. Yeah, it's just a lovely word, first of all. Yeah. And such an old-fashioned one. In fact, you know, if we had podcasts, you know, back in the Victorian era, Chloe, I'm sure there would be a chaperone with you just off to the side, just to make sure... I see, correctly.
00:04:38
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Traditionally, I think a chaperone in Victorian times would be your mother-in-law or something. Just to make sure the couples weren't getting up to... Mother-in-law? No, no, no, no. This would have been a pre-marriage thing. Oh, yeah, pre-marriage. Yeah, of course. But your prospective mother-in-law. Yeah.
00:05:00
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Yeah. Anyway, still here, the crappy jet packs, your pedalos, your space hoppers, or any other transportation methods. Let us take you to ADHD, an imaginary town we're created in our minds, where we like to explore different parts of ADHD.
00:05:16
Speaker
And we start off as always here in the town hall in the mayor's office where we the joint mayors of ADHD will take care of business. And and today we have Chloe.
Chloe's Dyspraxia Experience
00:05:29
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So welcome. Welcome. Yay. And we're going to just kind of chitchat.
00:05:36
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around stuff, you know, and because you've already talked about ADHD and you've mentioned dyspraxia. Yeah, so let's why not start there? What is that? What is dyspraxia? So basically it's to do with your coordination, fine motor skills and skills like that. So I'm very clumsy.
00:06:04
Speaker
you know, and I could I misgauge things. So like, judgment, you know, your judgment around things, space, spatial awareness is quite bad. I've tripped over the kids because I've been in my way before, literally tripped over them because I can't judge the space. And I can't react in time.
00:06:29
Speaker
Um, yeah, I've had a few breaks and accidents due to that. I went for a glass door when I was nine. Oh, nice. Yeah. Wow. Character building. I know. And I think with the ADHD combined, it could be a bit, especially as a child, be a bit hyper. It was worse because I couldn't, I was running around and I had so many accidents, breaking so many bones.
00:06:59
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. Wow. Just not being able to judge the spaces. Yeah. Right. Can we count the bones that you can remember? That's quite a lot.
00:07:13
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Yeah, so my finger once, just to make it that. That's twice. Randomly, as a kid, I just put my finger in a hinge of the caravan door. I don't know what possessed me to do that. I couldn't put it away in time.
00:07:37
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My fingers have recoiled up into my own wrist. Yeah. Like a snail's eye. When you poke a snail's eye. I did something similar once.
00:07:56
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I did something similar once. I moved into a new house and it was like a new build. And we were replacing some of the door handles. So some of the doors on the inside of the house, the internal doors, didn't have handles on, but they had the holes. And I once had an argument with my wife and in my tantrum, I left the room, put my hole through the door handle where the handle was supposed to be.
00:08:22
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to like open it and close it kind of like you know kind of oh i see your the bit of attitude behind me well i left but i left my finger in the hole what i left my finger in the hole as i left the room
00:08:37
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I forgot to put it in to open it, but I've never got to take it out to leave the room. Just left there. And you're kind of like, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. Beautiful. All right. Brought back the bad memory. OK. All right, Chloe. So that's a finger, right? Yeah. That's a finger. Is that for one as well?
00:09:00
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Oh, right. That was net but I couldn't catch the ball into it. That's another thing with disrespect. So you can't really not very good at sports. You can't catch balls very well. And yeah, the balls landed. Oh, okay.
00:09:15
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Um, my tone, um, about six or seven times to stubbing it into, you know, like stubbing it into the bed. I did it once in New York, actually. Oh, it happened in New York once. It's not out there. When it was staged. So you were that person. You were the one that heard about that. Now you're saying it. That's the thing about some girl from Watford or something.
00:09:43
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came over and started kicking things. Oh no, this was a bed in the hotel room. I stubbed it on the butt. It was like metal at the bottom of the bed. Oh, beautiful. I don't know. Right at the corner. Yeah, stub in my toes. I both make them all the top, like my toes, especially the same one. I just have to hit it lightly now and it'll break. And I don't bother going to hospital now. I just
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strap it up right open the best really you must know the nurse is on first name terms yeah oh it's her again Jesus Christ is it your toe love yeah
00:10:27
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Yeah, it's mainly my todo and a rib before as well. All right. Yeah. How did you how did you do that? That was in a car accident. Oh, that was. Oh, that's like, wow. Yeah. Yeah, it's lots of bones and lots of like scars, you know, from like
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You can see like from misgaging, you know, if I'm cutting vegetables or something, I'll misgage it. We talk a lot about the ADHD tax, but in your case, it's like... Yeah, this is distracts, yeah.
00:11:09
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Right. This is the clumsy side of the, this is, yeah, just like. Just went laughing about it, but you know, it's easy to laugh about it. It's like, with the distraction as well, like it's struggles, but over the years I sort of learned coping mechanisms.
ADHD and Co-occurring Conditions
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So I can laugh at it. But with the ADHD, I didn't really look into it too much until my, with my daughter, the school said,
00:11:38
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And she's struggling and they put her for ADHD assessment. And then that's when I looked up ADD and I said, oh, it's actually the old medical term for ADHD. So that's when I started to realize all of the, you know, the struggles, the other struggles about the emotions, RSD, you know, certain things.
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which I always would look up to see if it would be linked to dyspraxia, but it wouldn't mention them sort of things. It would just mention about the clumsiness, you know, it can be prone to anxiety, but not with dyspraxia.
00:12:16
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it's you don't just have dyspraxia you you either have that and dyslexia that i think you can't just have dyspraxia on its own if that makes sense it's a condition linked with beaver adhd autism because it's 50 percent of people it can be yeah i think it's 50 percent of dyspraxia people will have adhd 10 will have autism
00:12:43
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And then I think there's other percentages with certain personality disorders in line with it. Right. I found something today like 30 to 50 percent of ADHDers have a good chance of developing dysfraxia.
00:13:01
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Oh, really? Yeah, 30 to 50% and that's research that dates back to the 60s as well as it's like a major, major research. It's not like a, you know, 10 people, you know, or dyspraxia again, it's to do with the brain, you know, and the signals it sends to the reactions sort of thing.
00:13:21
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Yeah. We talked about the extreme end of it, but how does it affect you kind of on a more daily basis, other than tripping up on your children? It takes longer to do certain things for me, because I have to do them slower. You know, like pouring a kettle, for example, or chopping veg. I have to try and do them slower.
00:13:48
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So I take longer to do things which can be frustrating at times because I've got a one-year-old and I've got very limited time. So it's quite hard. That's a challenge.
00:14:04
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That's a challenge. Did you ever hear, have you ever had the actress called Jane Horrocks, who is an amazing actress? I think she did some work with French and Saunders. She's mainly a comedy actress, Jane Horrocks.
00:14:25
Speaker
She's got really squeaky kind of accent. Okay. But she said she had, she has OCD. She said, but when she had a very young child, she didn't have time for OCD anymore. The symptoms kind of lessened. Did you find that did you find that you're so one year old? Yeah. So I've got a 10 year old, a seven year old, one year old and two step sons as well. So there's a lot, there's a lot of us.
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's a busy day to ask. So I find that, you know, I like to be organised, but I haven't got time to be organised, so it drives me mad in a way. Right, because you also like... Go on. Because I used to have things before children, yeah, and I used to have things in, like, cupboards in a certain way, and it, you know, like, I don't know, I was very quite fussy at some points. You know, have things facing the right way, even in the cupboard. Well, I once had a kid, yeah.
00:15:22
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It just went out the window. I guess you didn't have time for it. No, but I still don't like being in the cluttered place. I can't sit still. I can't relax if the place is a mess. You know, like the room is cluttered, you know, got mess in it. So I tend to sort of try and at the moment I can't have anything on the side. They've had the cup of tea within a second.
00:15:53
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Really? Yeah, she's into everything as well. You mentioned coping mechanisms. Do you have any like, do you have anything specific? Because in ADHD world everyone's so unique. Is it the same for you? Your coping systems are unique to you.
00:16:17
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I don't know. I think so. Like, I'm learning as like, because I've only sort of gotten the platform probably under a year ago now. And that's when I started to unmask and sort of learn, right? Yeah, a lot about ADHD and what is what and why I'm feeling this way and stuff. And, you know, before I struggled with the constant overwhelm of
00:16:43
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thinking about the task I've got to do, you know, thinking and trying to remember everything. And I still struggle with remembering. But like with the overwhelm of the task, I sort of start to now when I think about it, and I start to feel bad if I don't do it, I sort of stop myself.
Coping Strategies for ADHD and Dyspraxia
00:17:01
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And even write on post it notes, do a bit of a brain dump, you know, like, get it all out and think, well, you
00:17:09
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tell myself more than capable of doing it when I can do it and it's going to get done. And so they just keep thinking about it over and over and it's a lot better. So just finding that coping mechanism and just writing it all down and sort of just constantly, constantly thinking about it.
00:17:26
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Oh, yeah, because like, you know, I have, yeah, I do that myself. Like when I start to feel like I'm getting overwhelmed, it's usually because I'm holding about a dozen things in my head and if I get it, hey, but then part of my brain can then let go and go, OK, well, I don't have to keep trying to remember that. And then if you've got like a house full of kids,
00:17:48
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that, you know, like, you've, you've got all the other stuff of like, right, schedules. Okay, well, so and so is going to be doing this and needs that I have to prepare this. And then school and, you know, or whatever. School stuff. Yeah. And just baby stuff as well. And as you said, the noise as well. And the noise, you know, all, all five of them in the house, it's just
00:18:17
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Yeah. So noisy. And my daughter is really loud. Sorry, the one who is getting diagnosed with ADHD is so loud sometimes. She screams and screeches.
00:18:29
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Sorry, what were you saying? I can't remember that. Oh, do you get time for yourself? Is that possible? I do take a bit of time out sometimes. You know, when Eliana goes to bed, this is like, the summer house is like my sort of, it used to be my salon, but I sort of gave it up after having Eliana. It was just too much. But this is sort of my place to have a bit of, sometimes when Eliana goes to bed, I'll just take half an hour out to myself and then the kids will just chill. And then
00:18:59
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I'll get back to it and then deal with air bedtime. So where are you now? Is this your little hideaway? Yeah, my little summer house. It's a bit of a dumping ground. I'm in the middle of sorting it out. I'm sorting it all out. So there's a sort of place of my steps on to go as well, you know.
00:19:21
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make use of the space, you know? And then as we're looking in this room, so what's that purple wall? Oh, yeah. I make that myself. Look at that. That looks amazing. It looks like a crazy coral reef. What's that? It's a flower wall. It looks like it looks like Rothkopf got into knitting. Every single flower
00:19:52
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It's falling apart a bit now, but every flower I put on individually.
00:19:57
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And it's on the back end, you know, like that sort of back end. Okay. All right. So for anyone who isn't on the on the YouTube, there's this kind of it is this wall of flowers that's kind of broken up into like different bands of color. Right. You've got like dark color top and green. Yeah.
00:20:24
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Sorry, I sort of done the Rapunzel colour because my salon was called Rapunzel hair so I've done the sort of Rapunzel
00:20:32
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OK. Yeah, OK. Yeah, to tie in with the repunzel hair. Repunzel hair was like that was only for long-haired people. If you had short hair, you're like, no, get out. This is repunzels. You have to have a minimum of 10 foot of hair before you come in the door. Yes, exactly. Oh, I'd make the hair extra long because I used to do extensions. Yeah, just put the extensions. Extensions. Oh, your extensions. Oh, come in. I did everything.
00:21:01
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If Rapunzel comes in, I think you need some extensions. Yeah, let's just get that hair even longer. All right, so what was that like? Owning your own business.
Entrepreneurial Challenges with ADHD
00:21:22
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It was hard. It was a learning curve. And I was impatient.
00:21:30
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it to succeed overnight. And with a small business like that, with so much competition around this area, it's not going to happen. And, you know, I did find it hard sometimes as well with new clients, you know, like sort of making small talk. That's a thing I struggle with at times. And some people just wouldn't talk.
00:22:00
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like, especially the younger generation, like, or somebody older, but, you know, they would just sit and I'd feel really sometimes awkward. I don't know if it's the ADHD, but I'd think, oh, really, you know, but it's probably nothing. But you know, when someone doesn't talk,
00:22:19
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That's me, half the time. I'm like, just cut my bloody hair, stop yapping at me. Or if I'm on my meds, then I'm chatty, like if my meds are flowing.
00:22:36
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I remember I was watching a salon in London and I went in, I had an appointment, I went in and the lady who was clearly the owner of the salon told the assistant to, oh, do you want to wash this gentleman's hair? Okay. But in the meantime, the owner, she was busy with another client and the assistant, she was washing my hair for half an hour.
00:23:01
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And finally, the owner looked round and said, what are you doing? What are you doing? I said, oh, you didn't tell me when to stop. I loved it. I love having my hair washed. I was in a dream state. I said, I'm fine. Fine love. Free head. Free head massage. Cracked on. Cracked on. The suds were like enormous, you know.
00:23:30
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Anyway. So it's your job though, your job is quite, I don't know, is your job something, an obvious choice with everything that you've... So I chose, I think, so when I, in 2018, I had to sort of give up my job, well no, 2017, I had to give up my job because my daughter just didn't like nursery and
00:23:59
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I found it quite hard. Setting her in, she just wouldn't go. In the end, I decided to just cut my hours down and work locally. Where I worked, they didn't show me properly how to do it, and they were getting frustrated because
00:24:22
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you know, they explained it so quickly that I didn't, I didn't pay, you know, probably pay attention to what they were saying. And they just expected me to get it. And I didn't understand it. And, you know, I said, is there any written form, you know, forms of the format of the system so I can read into it, you know, nothing, just then quick, someone quickly showed me that. And I really didn't understand. And
00:24:51
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It was like a lot of teething trouble. So I ended up thinking to myself, you know what? I remember them ringing me on my day off saying, you haven't loaded the paper, printer with paper.
00:25:06
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You know, like on the set, and it was full, it had like five sheets in it. So I just assumed it will be okay. And they went to prison on the Monday and it obviously jammed because I didn't load it, apparently, but they went mad at me. Just that simple thing. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to try and do something myself. So I retrained and I did have this before. So I retrained.
00:25:33
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in 2018 and started in 2019. And obviously when I so enough gave up in 2023 or 2022 at the end, because I had to be on I went to I went to go back when she was three months, but it was just too much with the baby.
00:25:56
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and everything. So I decided to just leave it for a few years and come back to it if I want to, or if I want to do something else. I'm not going to put pressure on myself as well, you know. But I did quite well. Your job, the head dressing requires a high degree of coordination, right? Hand-eye coordination. Yeah, I know. I overcome it. I don't know how I did. Really? It's amazing though.
00:26:26
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Yeah, because I was so passionate about it. Yeah, the only thing my speed is probably slightly slower than the average hairdresser because of, you know, the extension, they got tiny little rings, you know, and I've got used to using it, but I can sew as well.
Hobbies and Skill Development
00:26:46
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And that took me a long time to sort of learn to thread a needle. But because I enjoyed doing it as a hobby, that's how I sort of overcome
00:26:55
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And I think my mum encouraged me as a child to constantly just do things like sewing and things like that to help. And it just has helped me sort of overcome, you know, I do it probably in a way that someone else would think it's cack-handed or, you know, but it's the way it works for me. So, yeah, with the hairdressing, I'd be a little bit slower, but, you know,
00:27:25
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isn't I'm also I think I'm a bit of a perfectionist with you know, like the stuff so I'll take my time more, you know, yeah, and you get the results is best to not rush something it's like a job is like if you do half with and you rush it like a any job, it's not gonna work as well as something you've put time into.
00:27:52
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I used to go to a really expensive one, hairdressers in Soho in New York. I mean, I don't have hardly any hair now, and I had a bit of hair then, but not much.
00:28:09
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I can remember I was sitting there while they kind of faff around you, very upscale, and I'm going, hang on a second, this is costing me like 150 bucks. I could probably start to count how many hairs I had. I was like, you know what?
00:28:30
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What am I? What am I? What am I doing with my life? I'm learning something. I've suddenly realized I've learned something really new about about you, Martin. We've known each other 39 years and never imagined you spending 150 bucks to get your hair cut. Because I did the same in Covent Garden. I used to go to Trevor Sorby.
00:28:52
Speaker
Okay. That was 80 quid. He's famous. All right. Yeah. Blimey. All right. That was 80 quid. Which is about the same. Right. When you do the dollar pound conversion. Yeah, I expect that myself because I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. Well, I'll say that I'm an idiot. It was 50 quid. And that was in 2002.
00:29:21
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Yeah. Wow. I mean, women's hair is a whole different ball game. You know, I mean, that, I mean, my wife spends a lot of time and money on air and that's cool. Yeah. A lot of people do. And it's expensive. I spend a lot of money. Like, if I was to get extensions, sometimes I do. I'll spend some time, £500 on just the hair. Not even to do it. Just the hair.
00:29:49
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just the hair good quality yeah just the hair but then it will last a year right so that's crikey that's 500 pound a year i'm guessing yeah it's real human hair yeah i used to have my own brand as well did you hair extension yeah my own natural brand with my logo okay how do you source the hair from china
00:30:12
Speaker
So 98% of the hair extensions market. So where the hair comes from is China. I think it's 98% and then they source it mainly from different countries.
00:30:35
Speaker
Yeah, it's quite hard to be honest, like we're finding suppliers and stuff. You know like when you go and buy eggs and things, right? And it'll be like there's a picture of the farm, right? Yeah, sometimes. This is the name of the farm and this is the name of the chicken that laid your egg. Is this like if you're spending $500 on the hair, it's like, oh, I would expect to know this.
00:31:01
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this person's name, address and what she liked for Christmas. I mean, you know, it's just like up on a whole portfolio of info. That's crazy.
00:31:17
Speaker
When you get it from factory, it's half the price of what you would get it from. But then you could say I would buy it used to be like just after COVID it was fine. And then I think a couple of months after COVID or maybe a year after COVID when the shipping problem started, it was
00:31:41
Speaker
double the price it went up but it was oh you was making quite a decent amount of money initially on and then the prices of the shipping went up and the prices of the actual hair doubled and you i couldn't justify buying it anymore yeah yeah because everything's just gone up and then all the suppliers have gone up
00:32:05
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If you've still got the skills, I'll pay you to fly over to New York and give Martin some extensions. I don't need extensions. That would be good. I just have to come like... Podcast cold. Can you imagine that on TikTok? They do men's ones. Honestly, they do these men's ones where
00:32:29
Speaker
They sort of go on. There's a couple of different methods, but there's one where they sort of shave that bit and then they glue it. It's like a bit like a toothache, but it's glued. So it won't be able to go anywhere.
00:32:41
Speaker
Right, well, I've seen people get hair tattoos, right? Yeah, that's another thing, micro. And then they're just micro tattoos, so it looks like you've got like this skin. Yeah, it's like microblading, you know, on the eyebrows. Yeah. Because my sister does that. Oh, does she?
00:33:03
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My sister does it, yeah. She does nails in Spain. She's got a nail studio in Spain, but she tattoos eyebrows. Yeah, I've always wanted to try that. But I've been too scared if they get it wrong, and they make it too big. Yeah, you fall asleep. That's it then. I'd give you a mono brow. I'd give you a mono brow.
00:33:29
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scrubbing magically. You can't get rid of it though. It's like a tattoo, isn't it? Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I've got here that on the, because I was really ignorant about this subject until a few hours ago actually.
Aging and Dyspraxia
00:33:46
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I've got here that actually, no.
00:33:54
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A dyspraxia. Oh, okay. All right. Sorry. So I was keeping this back on theme. I was trying to be professional. Get us back on theme. So I've got this thing. Exactly. Thanks for that cue, mate.
00:34:10
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I've got here. Yes. It's like you, Marty, you always say it's like trying to herd cats on our podcast. Right. Come on. Back on theme, Paul. Back on theme. So apparently it says here that your complicated symptoms can actually be exacerbated when you go 40 and above.
00:34:35
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Oh, yeah. For men, yeah, with the, when you mix it with the menopause or in men's case, angiopause, it can become exacerbated. So some people don't even know they have it. Some people might only get it diagnosed later in life because that's when it really, really starts to show up. Really? Wow. Yeah.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah, me as a child, quite bad. I think it was the accident I kept having accidents all the time kept falling over constantly and losing my balance and
00:35:19
Speaker
you know, yeah, it took them years to diagnose me because they thought it was these different muscle wasting conditions or even cerebral palsy because I kept falling over and I couldn't yeah, I used to walk funny as well. I used to walk a bit like inwards. Okay, sometimes or I used to trip up on my own feet.
00:35:43
Speaker
You know, I still do that now, especially so I go flying. This is subject. My son always says that I walk lopsidedly.
00:35:59
Speaker
And yeah, I always kind of like clashing into him. It doesn't matter what side of the pavement he is. I always end up like herding him somehow into a wall. I lean into him until he hits a wall and he just says... I can't believe he just said that. He's like, Dad. He said, Dad, what are you doing? Are you doing it again?
00:36:31
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Yeah, exactly. After they've hit the wall. Yeah, so I'm really glad that I introduced that really like happy subject of yeah, your symptoms get worse with menopause and andrapause. Okay. Yeah, I think with ADHD as well, it does, doesn't it? Because
00:36:55
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I've read that the hormones and stuff, it can affect the levels of dopamine that you produce. So I've researched this before. So estrogen feeds dopamine, whereas prostosterone or whatever it's called, I don't know, depletes it. So during the two week cycle, this is how I describe it as well. You're sort of going up and then as
00:37:22
Speaker
as you reach the peak, then you start to decline. And as the executive function and emotional dysregulation gets worse as you're nearing the end of your cycle.
Hormones and Mental Health
00:37:34
Speaker
And that's honestly how it happened. I'm 40 now. And I'm currently trying to get tests for my GP actually to see if I'm pairing the menopause or because my mum has hers at 39. So it's kind of that tiny bit.
00:37:52
Speaker
But they wouldn't do it with the GP. There it's young, but it's in the family. Like my nan, my nan was, you know, 40, early 40s. My mum was 39. OK. Yeah, sorry. And I'm called 41.
00:38:08
Speaker
It's a whole thing, you know, like, I mean, you know, my wife's going, been through that. I think, I think she's saying that she's starting to come out the other side of it, but. Yeah. Well, that's the other aspect of it. No, no, it can't be up to 10 to 12 years. Yeah.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's for some women crazy. It's nuts. It's it's it's the the It's the opposite of fun. I mean, yeah, it really is Yeah, and yeah, and it has affected her, you know, like her ADHD as well like it's just it's just another It's just it's just more of a struggle
00:38:52
Speaker
to kind of do anything. Your mind's gone foggy. And there's just too much going on. You just leave or you leave the task.
00:39:11
Speaker
you're feeling it and it builds up and builds up and then it's just too much and then you're parallel you're in parallel or whatever it's called because you can't you don't know where to start that's what i find but then some people say the supplements some people say the supplements are a complete waste of money i so i i tried some i tried supplements um so i tried ones called focus or something um they're on tiktok shop and
00:39:41
Speaker
They did nothing, absolutely nothing. I'm interested in trying something called Lion's Mane, because a few people... I've got that. Does it help? Yeah. Does it actually help? I don't think so. A few. I know they're very expensive. Oh, wow. Where did you get that one from? Yeah. Hang on. Yeah, I mean, he lives in Italy, so... Italy, so it'll probably be...
00:40:11
Speaker
Oh, it disappeared. He's ditched us. I know. I know. So I mean, like, yeah, I, I take I take a vitamin D. I'll take that. For sure. It definitely helps, isn't it? And then Omega
00:40:34
Speaker
one of the only good ones um that's supposed to be good for HD oh hang on is is Paul coming coming back it looks like he might be coming back um is it the internet could be the internet could be yeah because he's like way out in the sticks of Italy he lives in this crazy medieval house that's got stone walls that
00:41:03
Speaker
that so these internet can get a bit spotty, although this is the first time I've seen this. Oh, look, he's back. You're back. I don't know what happened. It's lost. Look at him. Medivh internet strikes again. Yeah. Dial up, remember that. Yeah.
00:41:25
Speaker
Well, yeah, because I mean, I noticed that your email address is an is an is an is an AOL. Yeah. Email address. I have not seen. Right. How long have you had that? Because I've not seen an AOL email address for years. Oh, God. When did I get the Internet? I think it's about 2000.
00:41:52
Speaker
Wow. It's a long time. It's like a vintage, vintage email. And I'm always getting locked out of it. Always, always forgetting the password. If you're, if you're anything like me, I've got like three different contracts. Do you know how many emails I've got in my inbox for that as well? 41,000 emails.
00:42:20
Speaker
Wow. 41,000. I've got 29 and a half thousand. I never checked them. Oh, I checked it. Unread emails. I'm not the only one then. I feel like I've got a bag on. I've got three. No, I've been checking. Three? Let's have a look. I was going to say, that's me poor showing. Oh, that's horrible.
00:42:51
Speaker
I know that some people are all about you have to open up every email but but you know, no, no time for that. I've got I've got I just quickly checked through this 1200. That's it really. I've got 1200 even trying me not even trying. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:33
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And in third place comes Paul Thompson.
00:43:40
Speaker
Oh, don't go there. Yeah. A lot of weird emails. David? I've got David. David Bailey apparently. David Bailey is a famous... David Bailey. The photographer. The famous photographer. Yeah. Apparently he suffers from this and as does the lovely, lovely Susie Dent on Countdown.
00:44:11
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I'll be mentioning, well, I'll be mentioning Susie Dent because she's a lovely lady, but David Bailey, you know, photographers, you know, talk about hand-eye coordination, but the same with hairdressing, right? I mean, it's not exactly chosen in the easiest job. No. Oh. Herding cats. Herding cats. Herding cats. We're talking about herding cats. Hang on. Hang on. Oh, my God.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah, he has. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, you know, your, your, your internet's gone weird. And then you've, and then it's kind of like bits and bits and pieces. Yeah. So I think we all have very pixelated.
00:45:00
Speaker
level set. All right. So one question that we ask everyone. Hang on, because I'm just going to switch. I've got a switch. Hang on, Martin. It's poorly technical. Internet dial up AOL vintage.
00:45:24
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Apparently, in his house, there was, you know, like in the Catholic, that they have lots of saints, right? And there's a waiting list to be a saint, right? You can be like an up-and-coming saint, but not quite a saint. And one of them was born in the house where he lives. Wow.
00:45:54
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So apparently every year he has to vacate his house when a load of people, worshippers go around his house to where this saint in training was born. And with that vamping, maybe Paul is back again.
00:46:19
Speaker
Oh, you're back. Mr. Thompson speak to me. This is clear of a clairvoyant thing, you know, like, yeah, like I'm like, we're we're we're trying to summon the the the dead. You know, that's that's what are you here, Thompson? If so, knock. Oh, there we go.
00:46:46
Speaker
Who's going to get the money? Who do you want to have the money? Behind this wall here, okay, is the saint in waiting. It's her bedroom. It's the only room with news in the house. It's behind there. So what's in that room? What is in this? What is in her room?
00:47:07
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I don't know, I've never looked. I've never looked. Is there, come on, is there a door or a window or anything? No, the door, the access to it is through the courtyard and you have to go through the back of the house into the courtyard and there's an outside staircase, stone stairway that goes out to her room. So I never go up there. Yeah, it's only my dog goes up there occasionally to like, you know, he needs some privacy.
00:47:37
Speaker
who wants to worship the saints. It has a word, my owner, what a pain in the arse he is. Can you sort him out, please? I need more treats for starters. Yeah, but if you ever want some research, she's actually got a Wikipedia thing. She's actually on Wikipedia. Stefana Quinsani.
00:48:06
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All right. Lovely. All right. Let's get back on track. I'll track.
Imagining ADHDville
00:48:12
Speaker
Yes. So, we asked, so, Curry, so as you're in ADHD, Ville, you get to... Officially.
00:48:21
Speaker
Yeah, you know what? Yeah, you get to have a building or an office or a shop or whatever you want. You can kind of, you can build one here. So in the past we've had, oh, hope we had. So, Jonathan had a taco and tequila bar.
00:48:47
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Then we had Michael and then yeah, he has a second hand book store, the broken spine. And then we have Maddie from Mad About Money. She has a theme park.
00:49:05
Speaker
And and Willie Dubs has what did he have? Well, I'm I'm I'm blank. Oh, yeah. No, he he has his own kind of like comedies, comedy studio place called Open Circuit TV. Right. Yeah. So where would you like to what would you like to open up? Probably a design, a design shop, you know, like designing. Yeah.
00:49:35
Speaker
I've loved designing things, like posters. If I had more time, I would design things like journals and stuff. So it's like a sort of a high street kind of fronted thing, is it, where people kind of come in? Yeah.
00:49:59
Speaker
I don't know, I'm just winging it really. Or is it like a cool studio? Probably like a studio, yeah.
00:50:12
Speaker
All right. And then, Chloe, yeah, I've got this, I need this brochure being done. I'm going to open up a rival hairdressing store called Cut Above or whatever. Cut Rapunzel's hair off. Yeah.
00:50:40
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Nice. Cool. Okay. Joe, I was thinking Martin, we should, you know, like a YouTube they have, when people get to a certain number of viewers, they send them like this like A4 thing, it's like plaque that they put. Oh really? Oh yeah. We should have that as like official ADHD video guests. They have like a plaque. Yeah. Everybody go. A plaque. All right. Well, you can be entirely tired of that then.
00:51:10
Speaker
Thanks, Martin. You kind of say that. Okay. Oh, yeah, I know. That was always my management strategy at work. If someone came up to him and said, oh, I think what we should do is we should have like a thing over here with this. I'm going, yeah, okay, great. Yeah. Off you go. You do it. Yeah. And they would or they wouldn't. Okay.
00:51:38
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All right. So I think we can sort of slide to, we can start to slide towards the ending. Usually protocol means we go to the post office.
00:51:53
Speaker
Well, you know what? That's the thing. I think we didn't get in the mayor's car to go to the coffee place. I didn't, did we? I know. I know we didn't. So we're all going to jump into the mayor's car. So we're all going to jump into the mayor's car and we're going to go to the post office. So thankfully our mayor's car is a large enough... Can we stop off for Tequila?
00:52:20
Speaker
We stopped for tequila and tacos. All right. All right. All right. Well, that was a very nice taco. Yeah. We just woofed that down in that very short amount. And we're now at the post office.
00:52:48
Speaker
Which, yes, which is the bit where I say that your feedback is really vital to us and we'd be reading all your comments and we might even feature some of your feedback on future podcasts.
Listener Engagement and Conclusion
00:53:05
Speaker
Exactly, which I did get one today. You know what? I'm prepared that I didn't actually have it, but I had a nice one from Nicola, who is I think she's known on TikTok as dyslexia and me.
00:53:28
Speaker
And she said on our TikToks, what does she say? What does she say? She said, that'd be nice. Good Lord. Where is it? Vamping. No, no. Oh, okay. This was her.
00:53:54
Speaker
I can't find it, but it was nice. It was nice. Okay. Do you have anything? Oh, oh, here we go. It says, Happy Wednesday, which is today. Love your podcast. Simple. Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I like that. Okay. All right. Yeah. So this is your bit, Martin.
00:54:18
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm just going to close out and then we'll go back and we'll do our good goodbyes and our outro bits. But yes, so this is just to remind us that ADHDville is delivered fresh every Tuesday to all purveyors of fine podcasts. Please subscribe to the pod and rate us highly and feel free to correspond at will in our comments. But wait, there is more if you wish to see our beautiful, beautiful faces, obviously.
00:54:47
Speaker
Chloe's face is far more beautiful than ours. Then you can head over to YouTube. You can also pick up a quill and email us at adhdvil at gmail.com. Yes, yes, yes. It's just it. So visit us on TikTok. Actually, TikTok is a whole different world. I'm just saying, if you're listening to us on
00:55:15
Speaker
on the YouTube, you should go and follow me, us, I will also put Chloe's TikTok link in our show notes, so go and binge on her content. And yes, see us on the Cupboard of Friends, there's Facebook, Instagram, but in the meantime, be fucking kind to yourself.
00:55:46
Speaker
And I beseech you, fellow ADHDers, know thyself, sons of the hounds, come hither and get the flesh. All right, well, thanks a lot to Chloe for coming in. Thanks, Chloe. It was a real joy to have you. It was a lot of fun. Fabulous. Yeah, definitely. All right, well, we will have to get you back in again at some point. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, any time. Just let me know.
00:56:13
Speaker
updates on how many children you're tripping over. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And your bone break count, obviously. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to be doing that there. No, no, no. There, says the mayor. That's that.