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Generation X
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2000's X-Men was not the first live-action X-Men film. In 1996, Fox attempted to launch a Generation X TV show based on this made-for-TV movie. Amidst the weird use of Dutch angles, the very low budget, and some really bad acting, there are some interesting things in this film, like the best live-action portrayal of Emma Frost and Banshee yet. Perry is joined by Patrick Lagua and Oscar Owens, his co-hosts on the E For Evolution podcast, to revisit this forgotten film.
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Introduction of Characters and Hosts
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Hi. My name's Arleigh. And that's Mondo, Kurt, and Monet. I'm Jubilee. This is Angela. So what's your thing? What's my thing? They want to know what kind of mutant powers you have. Oh, um, I don't know what it's called, but, um, fireworks shoot out of my fingers. It's called thermodynamic emission. Kurt has something similar, and that comes out of his eyes. That's right.
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I can melt glass and see through pantyhose. Ooh, change day. Can't see through your clothes. Eh, well, not yet, but I'm almost there. It's real subtle, man. Well, what's your dazzle? Thermal flexibility manipulation. His skin stretches. Your skin stretches?
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They should have gone through orientation and then been formally introduced. You should have lighten up a wee bit, um...
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine. In addition to this show, I do a few other ones, and one of those is called E for Evolution, where me and two other X-Men fans, we go through and we're doing a reread of Grant Morrison's new X-Men run.
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And all three of us are also big fans of Generation X. And I've had an idea to talk about that movie for a while on here. So I thought I'd ask them to both come on. And so I'd like to welcome to this show, Patrick Le Guin and Oscar Owens. Guys, how are you doing today? Oscar? Okay, I'll go first. I'm having a pretty hectic day, but I'm really excited to chat about this movie, Generation X. It's got a really special place in my heart.
00:03:32
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And Pat, I think I may have mispronounced your last name. So if I did, you know, policy. That's all right. Laguah, like Al Water, as I like to sell people. I'm good. I'm looking forward to chat with this movie. And I'm glad that I have discovered two other people who know of its existence. So here we go. Well, before we jump into that, why don't you tell the listeners a little bit about yourselves, how you got in the comics, all that kind of stuff.
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Oscar, you wanna start? Yeah, sure. So my grandparents used to own a news agency and we would help them on Saturday nights waiting for the Sunday paper delivery. And I would just read all the comics that were in their store. And that's sort of what got me hooked on comics, but X-Men in particular was the cartoon, the good old animated series. That's what drew me to X-Men instead of
00:04:28
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Well, you know, those little kid comics like Scrooge and Archie and all that stuff. X-Men sort of was the big grown up comic books that I started to read. And once you got hooked on it, that was it. I'm being a sucker for life now. Pat, how about you?
00:04:44
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I think my lifelong addiction started with those trading cards that Marvel was putting out in the 90s. So like in the Philippines where I grew up, kids would play all kinds of weird games with these cards, but instead I would read the character biographies on the back. And so that's kind of where I started my lifelong obsession with the X-Men.
00:05:12
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I remember having all those trading cards in the big binder and just, um, unfortunately I don't have them anymore, but those were cool back. I remember looking at those for hours. I still have mine. I've kept it for so long. It's just been sitting in the bottom of a cupboard forever. I should get them out and see if they're worth anything.
00:05:34
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Yeah, just one other digression. We went to a used bookstore one time and I don't know how they got their hands on a binder full of those 1990s Marvel Masterpieces cards with Joe Jusco art, which I just had to buy. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I remember having a few of those. Was that the Fleet ones or the Flare ones or something like that?
00:05:59
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I think Fleer published those, like they commissioned one artist to do the whole set. And so that entire one was by Joe Jesko. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there's some, I don't think a lot of those artists, I don't think they were credited on the cards themselves. But looking back now, I found out like a lot of
00:06:17
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big name artists did a lot of those back then. Oh yeah, like the Hildebrand brothers, Joe Jusco, a bunch of others. Derek Robertson. Jim Lee did an excellent run, yeah. I know Derek Robertson has posted some on his Twitter feed a few times, too, that he did back in the day.
00:06:34
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But also, you mentioned the X-Men animated series.
Disney Plus Announcements and X-Men Content
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That's something I wanted to touch on real quick with some of the Disney Plus announcements that just came out yesterday. And one of them ties in directly to what we're talking about today, and that's the sequel to the X-Men animated series, X-Men 97. Do you guys have any thoughts about the recent Disney Plus announcements?
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like X-Men in particular or the whole thing? The whole thing, but yeah, X-Men in particular. I'm excited about Moon Knight. I'm very happy they're leading into like sort of the psychological aspects of the character. And I know people are like, he's just like Batman, but he is not just like Batman and I will die on that hill. So I'm really, I was really excited about the Moon Knight parts of that trailer.
00:07:29
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I am I'm glad they're doing more X-Men. I just wish it wasn't this X-Men, but I will not begrudge other people's excitement about the thing.
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Oscar, how about you? Anything kind of jump out at you with the Disney Plus announcement? Well, I only seen the X-Men one. That's the only thing that I sort of read about it. But I have great excitement. I'm pumped for it. The only thing I think maybe that might be the same in that I am a little bit trepidatious. I think that
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I would like to say something new. I don't know whether it's a great idea to just rehash the exact same X-Men team. Like I'd really be excited to have Psylocke be a character or some of the new young big characters come through or even just like Nightcrawler or Iceman or Cube Pride or just some of the big names that
00:08:25
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weren't really much in the cartoon. Bishop, Cable, there's this, that's a great thing with X-Men,
Generation X Movie Discussion
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right? There's so many characters and they're all rich and so much there to explore. I was also looking forward to seeing like different costumes as well but when I think of like the X-Men animated series that's like the
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the star team and it's kind of all of their costumes, like their peak costumes. It's what I think of when I think of them. I always think of Storm with that white outfit and Cyclops with his hair sticking out and Jean Grey with that yellow blue striped outfit. Yeah, I'm looking forward to a bit of an update, but I'm still excited. Yeah, I was kind of, I think Pat, I was very much
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what you posted on social media. I was very much thinking along the same lines as you were. It's cool, but if they were gonna, but I'd also, I'd rather see something new. And if they were going to do a followup to something, I wish it would have been Wolverine and the X-Men because that ended on such a great cliffhanger. And the X-Men animated series, you know, you can quibble about how well it was done, but it did get an ending at least. And then it got a sequel too in the X-Men 92 comic, which again,
00:09:43
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can go over how well it was done but it got something so I'd much rather see like Wolverine and the X-Men picked up again although I think the rights are still in question with that too. Well we might be surprised like maybe they'll do something like
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more contemporaries but they call it X-Men 97 so I don't think that's going to happen but I mean we'll see I'm glad that there's like new X-Men content coming to Disney Plus though like that's a move in the right direction. Maybe they're testing the waters before Kevin Feige starts getting serious about well I'm sure he's serious about it already but you know before they start rolling out
00:10:26
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the big guns, I suppose. Yeah. And maybe this could lead to sequels to some of those other abandoned shows like, you know, that in my opinion were not as, didn't have as much of an impact, but were actually better quality in my opinion, like Wolverine and the X-Men or Earth's Mightiest Heroes or Spectacular Spider-Man. I would love to see any of those three come back on Disney Plus or all three if possible.
00:10:56
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Um, but yeah, that was the main kind of news I wanted to touch on. But today we're talking about, um, speaking of the nineties, we're talking about the 1996 made for TV generation X movie. And this was, uh, this was an interesting time for, for Marvel because they had sold off a lot of their licenses to stuff to help them with bankruptcy and.
00:11:20
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And one of them was Fox had gotten the rights to a bunch of stuff. And so Fox had planned to do a series of
00:11:29
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TV movies that were also backdoor pilots. So they ended up only making two because they were terrible, because they weren't well received. There was the Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. one with David Hasselhoff, which is surprisingly better than expected. We talked about that way back in an early episode of the show. And then the other one was Generation X. And they had also planned to do a few more. I think She-Hulk was when they had planned to do at one point, but after the response to these two, they just never did.
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Now, did you guys watch this at the time it came out? Because I remember when I was, this came out, I think it was, I was still in elementary school. And I remember, you know, watching it on TV and recording it, like being a kid back then, like, and this is like the only live action X-Men content we have. I loved it back at the time, but it hasn't really held up over time. How about you guys? I did. And I actually found out about it. And
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the very trusty wizard magazine because they did an article on it before it came out, which got me really excited. And although I had to like, now kids, if you're listening to this podcast, there were such things back in the day called a TV guide, which you pulled out to find out what's airing on your local television networks. I had to like sort of scroll and like read through all those to figure out when I was going to air.
00:12:56
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Unlike you, Perry, I also didn't have to record it, but it just was so such a novelty like like you think if they were going to adapt adopt a property like they would have went for the big guns right but but they went for this one which I thought was
00:13:14
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So cool. So niche. What a deep cut. Although now thinking about it, maybe they were like, well, if we mess it up, it's fine. We're not going to damage Wolverine or Storm or those characters because it's just this niche book that nobody really knows about.
00:13:32
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I suspect that was the case. I suspect that was the case. In Australia, it didn't air on TV. The only thing I knew about it prior to it coming out was in the comics themselves, they were advertising it with the ad pages. And one day I found it in a Blockbuster.
00:13:53
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And I was like, oh my God, yes, I have to get this. And I'm pretty sure I was the only person that rented it. I was like, I finally get to see it. There was a VHS release of this thing? Yeah, in Australia, yeah. Oh my God. I watched it that way. And I watched it only once on the VHS and then put it away and took it back to the store and was like, oh my God. At the store, they were like, why did you bring it back?
00:14:26
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They were like, wait, you can keep it. You can keep it, man. We only bought it because you requested it and no one else has wanted it since. You guys, I wait. No, this was not. I went on eBay to see if I could find it and I got it. Oh, wait. It's right here. It's right here. Oh, you can buy it for $6.68. Oh, wow.
00:14:51
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But the shipping is $30 from the United Kingdom. So that, that may be it. I mean, this is a movie that if I saw it in like the, the $5 bandit, would you buy it? Would you buy it? I don't think I would. I don't think you will. I think I will. I think I will. I think I would. The completist collectioner would be able to walk past it, right?
00:15:12
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Absolutely and I mean it's true because I have stuff in my shelf that I will never read but I just had to buy them so that the shelf is complete so I absolutely will buy it. I feel like with YouTube guys I'm kind of like the negative Nancy I'm the one that's like I hate that oh that's gross that's gross but I was expecting to be like it on the rewatch but I found that I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would have
00:15:40
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So Oscar, I think we're swapping our usual roles this time because I'm the more negative one on this one. I think there needs to be a bit of grace given to them because one, it is a pilot and there are plenty of great shows where the pilots weren't great. They're finding their feet, they're figuring it out. There was huge budget constraints and I think
00:16:09
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they didn't know whether it was going to be a show or a movie. It was just like a testing the grounds kind of thing. And it was the nineties. It was also the timeframe. So it was coming out at the same time as say, I think Buffy was coming out that same year. I believe so. Yeah. And in fact, speaking of pilots, if you watch the original Buffy pilot, not the one that actually aired, but they had done another one before that with a different actress playing Willow. And that was really rough.
00:16:36
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So my point exactly. That's exactly my point. I think they were coming out against Buffy, but also like the X-Files. I can see a little bit of X-Files-ish influence in it as well, and I just think they were just trying the flavors of the month and seeing where it landed, and it obviously didn't land well, but I think it would have been potential for it to be a Buffy-esque type show.
00:17:00
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And I think just to be clear, I think all three of us, well, there's sort of a baseline assessment of like, it was not good. So let me just be clear. It was not good, but I think there were just little moments of like hints of, okay, they got this right. This part of it was good, but yeah, there is a baseline. It was not a very good production.
00:17:29
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It's also really weird because it feels kind of like the gifted in a way in that it's set in this weird world where the X-Men have existed maybe, but they never mentioned them. Although in the gifted, they at least acknowledge that something happened to the X-Men. But here, they're hanging out at the Xavier Institute.
Setting and Representation in Generation X
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Emma used to have students called the Hellions.
00:17:53
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that was there's like this mutant registration at yeah so basically outlawed so you get the feel and they talk about superheroes not as if they're not a real thing right when they pick up jubilee and she's been you know bad she tells her we're training you to be a superhero and she says oh do I have to wear one of those costumes that all superheroes wear and the way she says it you don't get the feeling that she's saying it as if like she's talking about comic books or something
00:18:17
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Like they're real. Exactly. Like they're real. And then Emma just responds like, oh, you'll be given a uniform, just like it's like the most natural thing. So it was really interesting at that time because this was a time when superhero, when you saw superheroes in live action, unless it was like Batman, they were embarrassed to be regarded as superheroes. And I did get such quite a kick out of that. The Hellions mentioned like,
00:18:45
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a cool bit of continuity in this otherwise hodgepodge mess of a thing that I am experiencing right now. I seen that I thought of the Hellions reference as like a hint of the future right that they were even though they're referencing a past event I thought oh that's a little nugget that they're going to explore later on um later on in the series I found out later that apparently it was just going to be a series of movies
00:19:10
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but TV movies only, but I think it would have done well had it been a series. The Hellions reference was one, you know, the town kids as well. Like I could have seen them being characters later on as well. Well, also, I mean, they don't really do anything with the whole mutant registration stuff outside of the beginning. So that felt like also like a future plot point to be picked up if it had been, if it had went to series.
00:19:40
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What did you guys think about the casting? OK, so well, straight up, this is, I mean, let's be real, the competition is not fierce, but this is straight up the best live action version of Emma Frost we've gotten.
00:19:56
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As the chairperson of the Michigan Amifrost Fan Society, I would have to co-sign that. I mean, she's one of the few things that the thing gets right. And also the comic accurate costume, wig aside. But wig aside and, you know, and tinfoil boots.
00:20:19
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Yes, but I think she's one of the few things in the show that they did such a good job translating. Also it was weird that her jacket seemed a little bit too big so I guess the tailor could only make one version of it. Although actually if you look at how Bacallo drew it in the comics, it's
00:20:38
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Okay, I think the proportions are good. I think that that's how he drew it. I mean, I don't know if they meant like, I'm not sure if they were like, Oh, we need to we need to do it like a call it did. Or if they were just like, that's what you're gonna wear. But I think that was it was it was accurate. Yeah. She definitely had the best lines. And she it was true to the comic character. She's such a great character. And it surprises me that they haven't
00:21:04
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put her in any of the X-Men films because there's such a deep reverence for that character.
00:21:12
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Well, I mean, they technically did. They put her in two films, but it wasn't really her though. No, exactly. It's not like what the X-Men origins, I think, or the Wolverine origins. Yeah, she was in that, where she barely in it. Yeah, and then also in first class, where she's basically Shaw's secretary. Oh my God, Jandri Jones. She was, that was the most wooden performance of any character in any film I think I've ever seen.
00:21:42
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But I'm not sure of the name of the actress that did it in that played Emma in the Generation X film. Sorry. That was in this finale, Hughes. Yeah. And she seemed to relish in that that role. She she's still a soap opera actress, I guess. Yeah, she's been talking before you kind of jumped on and she's been on like a thousand episodes. Yeah. A thousand over a thousand episodes of General Hospital. She's been on it in 1985 and she's still she's got
00:22:11
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She's definitely got that soap act vibe, but she looked like she was enjoying it and it comes across. What did you guys think about Banshee? Go ahead, Pat. That's another good thing I think that they did is
00:22:34
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they really did a good job of sort of capturing that bickering parent dynamic between them. And so I think he did a really good job of sort of being like the cool, the cool, yet still very like holding the reins uncle, right? So yeah, I think he did a good job, even though they had him dressed like
00:22:58
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He's like, he's two minutes away from going clubbing at any point. He's pressed and he's on the way to the Roxbury, everybody.
00:23:08
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I couldn't understand that for the life of me. I mean, I can understand you don't want to go with the blue and yellow students anymore in Generation X. So I get that, but I mean, like, you figure they at least give him like a, you know, like the 90s X-Men bomber jackets they all wore or something, but- Or even if they want to go cheesy, I remember, I think it's around issue 24 or 25 where they had him wearing like this Irish green bomber jacket situation.
00:23:36
Speaker
Like the Celtics jacket. I would have gone for that. That would have been cool. I did enjoy the slight sexual tension between the two of them that they used to have, where she would outrageously flirt with him to try and belittle him, and he would just rebuff it fiercely. And I enjoyed that they brought that in as well.
00:24:04
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I think the biggest thing of the casting we've got is that, what do you guys think about White Jubilee?
Diversity and Casting in 90s TV
00:24:11
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Well first, I want to also mention about Jeremy Ratchford, a few other things. One of the cool things is he actually did the voice of Banshee in the animated series too.
00:24:21
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So, and I thought- Is he Irish? No, that's the thing, like definitely not. He's an actor. Okay, Oscar, he's an actor. His accent was, you know, a little bit over the top, shall we say, but overall I thought he did a pretty decent job. And like you guys said, like capturing the, I also thought he looked like Banshee from the comics. He definitely kind of, lack of red hair aside, he definitely looked that part.
00:24:51
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And again, you know, he's, you know, you compare him to Caleb Landry Jones and I think that's who played him in first class, which was okay but didn't have much to do. So again, we've got the best fan sheet and the best demo for Austin live action, we've seen so far. But yeah, white Jubilee, that's just.
00:25:13
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I guess like they're thinking in the 90s TV studio thinking is like, you know, okay, well, we've got, of the student group, we've only got two white students so far, right? So we have to have another white student maybe to balance it out. Was that the logic? I imagine it has to be.
00:25:31
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I'm like, but it's like, but you already got like, was it really a three non-white act? Just go for a fourth one. Like it, it's fine. But that was the logic back then in the nineties that, you know, it's like, you can't have too many non-white people as the lead character, as the lead actors in your, in your TV show.
00:25:48
Speaker
But it's kind of symptomatic I guess of like what they do with the other characters because it really feels like they just sort of took these concepts and character names and then they just ported it over to these very
00:26:05
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I think, I know we were chatting about this earlier, this very sort of milk toast type of characters. Like, it feels like they, like these characters have to go through these motions to like check off plot points and then we're just going to sort of put this veneer of
00:26:24
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the code name and the powers on them. Because with Jubilee, okay, well, one, she's white and two, like I didn't really feel, this is true of her and skin too. Like there wasn't anything on the screen that I felt was like, oh, that's Jubilee and that's skin. I feel like they got stripped of all the things that made them who they are. I think basically all the students, except for Em, had that happen to them. Like they were all basically stripped of what they were.
00:26:54
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And we'll back a little bit. We didn't really know. So there's not a lot of room to like, yeah. I'm going to push back here a little bit with this. You guys, the comic had only been out for like two years when this came through. So I think they had gotten only up to about issue 25 ish, but, um, I think, well, well, first of all, just with Jubilee, and this is a little bit embarrassing to admit, but I didn't know that she was Asian.
00:27:24
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That's actually fair. When I was a kid, I think I didn't really know either from the animated series. I really didn't. The animated series that never, I didn't even once mention that she was Chinese. And when I started reading books, she was already a member of the team. And I started reading the books roughly just before The Far Links Covenant came through. So there'd been a few, around Uncanny X-Men 300-ish,
00:27:51
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Yeah, and when, and at that time, I believe Joe Madera was doing the art and he didn't really draw her as Asian as he had drawn, like say, Psylocke. Exactly. And if you look at Generation X, like the first issue, I think the first splash page is Jubilee and she's talking with husk and she's looking at her watch and something. She does not look Asian. She has no Asian features at all. She looks white. So I didn't really realize at first that she wasn't.
00:28:19
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I remember that actually, Wizard had done a one of their casting call articles about Generation X and they put on there when they pick Jubilee they said, you know, we think we can get away with casting a white actors for this. And they even they picked a white actors in their casting. Wow. Well I think the actress that played Jubilee did probably one of the best jobs.
00:28:41
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on the film, like I think she was probably the standout actress for me. She also seems to have had the biggest career of any of them afterwards, Heather Macomb. Okay, well that makes sense. But in terms of what they've got from the character, I think with skin, I think
00:28:58
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Like I remembered in the first couple of issues, he was in the computer room, right? And he had that thing about, he was worried about getting his skin cut or torn. And I think they just grabbed that bit of his character and explored it to say, well, you're going to be the computer guy. I don't think it just sort of didn't come from nowhere. Um, the only M I felt like, you know, the, the character with her, where she was unafraid to show her powers in public. And that was a very Monet,
00:29:26
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character, but I didn't ever remember her being quite as rude and bully. She was like real straight up like aggressive to Jubilee, like, you know, watch herself. And I just couldn't imagine her being like that. And Mondo was the one where I was like, well, we really know nothing about him. So they've just turned him into a jock instead of like an overweight Samoan guy. That's easy going. That seems like the most drastic.
00:29:57
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But yeah, I feel like they just grabbed little snippets of the character and then translated them to film rather than just- I will say that Jubilee had one of the best lines in this movie, which looking back, I'm surprised that, I'm not sure if this was like, if this was sent, I can't remember if this was censored when it was aired or what, but when Skins talking about Russell Tresh the next day after they do the dreamwalk thing, and she says, are you fucking nuts? I cosmically shit my fucking pants.
00:30:25
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I'm like, wait a minute, that's two F-bobs right in the made-for-TV movie. I'm pretty sure they censored that. They had to, yeah. I'm pretty sure. They didn't on the copy that I watched. No, no, the one we found was a YouTube video and yeah, they, and I may- No, no, no, like originally I remember watching and being like, oh my God, Ghibli said fuck.
00:30:47
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I mean, she was, oh, she did the best she could with the material she had. I think basically is what we can come down to with her. And she wasn't given a whole, which also I thought was kind of weird for this movie to center it so heavily on skin. When Jubilee's the character, everybody who knows in this thing, she's like the biggest character in this movie. So it felt really weird to center it on skin instead of centering it on Jubilee. Agreed, agreed.
00:31:15
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I also didn't like how they kind of CW-ified skin, right? He's supposed to have come from like a really rough part of Los Angeles. And instead he came from like this beautiful house and- Although his dad drives this really old truck for some reason that looks like from the 1940s. I was like, this guy is not from a rough neighborhood. That is a much nicer house than mine.
00:31:44
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Yeah, they really kind of polished off his edges to the point that, yeah, like this, to me, he was very unrecognizable from the source material. And I mean, I'm not someone who's like, they have to be exactly the same, but I feel like they sort of hollowed out the core of what made him so interesting in the comics.
00:32:12
Speaker
I think it was also interesting is that they, it feels like they were trying to, and again, I'm not sure what the studio logic was, but it feels like they were trying to not make him too stereotypical by going with like, you know,
00:32:24
Speaker
you know, Latin gangbanger kid or anything like that. So they give him this nice house and all that. But when he's talking to Kayla, you know, he's talking about how this new, he's talking about like almost like a gang initiation thing type of, right? And then, and then, and he's also doing the very stereotypical thing where he's sprinkling in Spanish and all his sentences.
00:32:46
Speaker
So it feels like they were trying to, they didn't really know what they were doing with it, but at the same time they just, I guess they figured like, Oh, we'll just make them a computer hacker and that'll, and give them a nice house and that'll excuse any of the stereotypical stuff. I did find as well when he was pursuing that, that town girl, it was maybe really uneasy. He was like, when he was smiling off at her, I was like, Oh my God, dude, like you look like a creep. Like that's not sexy at all.
00:33:17
Speaker
Yeah. Do you guys think they missed the mark there? Like that whole situation is creepy and like, you know, going to earn her dreams and then working with Russell and just like that whole thing was just very, yeah.
00:33:33
Speaker
Like I feel like they attempted to try to sort of make it like a very cutesy meat, like a very adorable meat cute type of a situation, but like that just, that did not work that way. Yeah. Yeah. So like the whole idea of the dream sequence is that you go into people's minds and then get them to do things that they don't want to do. Right. Yeah. So it's pretty creepy to have a guy
00:33:59
Speaker
that he's then goes into the girl's brain that he fancies to make her then fancy him. It's like, oh, that's a bit. I don't I don't like it. It doesn't. There's also no real reason for it because she clearly is, you know, she's interested in him when they first meet in town. And that's before the any of the dream stuff. So it just right. It was like a weird excuse to have Russell. Maybe that was something that we're trying to do, like, you know, oh, she like you all along. You never had to do this, but never quite translated in the in the movie. I don't know.
00:34:30
Speaker
Well, a lot of the relationship things were a bit gross. Like, I think it's buff and... refracts, right? You know, he's a bit of a creep to her. And then he apologizes and she's like, oh, everything's wonderful. You know, he's like, almost section what he does talk about groping her, you know, I was like, it's like sexual assault. And then
00:34:57
Speaker
uses her powers on, uses his power so he can see her naked. And then the powers did kick in accidentally, like, and then he, then he showed his eyes there. So that was, yeah, we'll, we'll give him that. But he did say that he groped her when they were playing football or whatever. And I was like, Oh my God, that's so wrong. And then he just apologizes and she smiles and that's it there. All is forgiven.
00:35:24
Speaker
See, girls, when boys be creepy to you, once they say sorry, you just say thank you. It's also very tacked on, right? It just like, we're about to go into this mission. He's like, oh, hold on. I have to apologize to her first. Oh, it was gross. And I mean, as I think with a lot of things that happened in the movie, I know writers make things happen in the script. But here, the sort of,
00:35:54
Speaker
It seems more obvious that things just had to happen because the plot required it to happen. Skin had to do that, so Russell's trash would be introduced into their lives without it feeling... It was very contrived, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. What'd you guys think of the new additions to the team? Because they couldn't do Husk and Chamber because of their powers, so instead they brought in these new characters, Buff and Refrax.
Character Changes Due to Budget Constraints
00:36:23
Speaker
like isn't buff kind of husk already but with it I guess what I like it seems like she seems like she's husk already but basically yeah just with different powers yeah yes and also I'm like why is she embarrassed because she's oh my god I'm just realizing because she's buff um
00:36:42
Speaker
I just felt like, girl, that's done to be embarrassed about. Like, you kick ass. That's, that's cool. I mean, it's such a weird, like I knew what they were trying to go for, like, you know, growing up and teenagers and your body's awkward and all that stuff. But I'm like, you know, like a lady being strong, I feel like it's not a thing to be embarrassed about.
00:37:05
Speaker
While I agree, it's not something to be embarrassed about. I did like the idea of bringing in that body conscious issues and her having a real issue with the way the mutation has affected her body. And I thought that was a really smart way to do it. It surprises me that they said that budgetary constraints meant they couldn't have husk because I thought, how easy would it be for her to just pull her arm and show
00:37:35
Speaker
I'm thinking of like, you know, monster type arm or something, you know, like it's surely it wouldn't cost that much money. I can understand Chamber being like... But it costs a lot less money than just having a girl wearing big sweaters.
00:37:51
Speaker
That is exactly right. And paying a bodybuilder to do that one, the scene with the shirt off, you're correct. And the cut in that scene is so terrible though, because it's so obvious that she's, when it cuts to her turning, it's so obvious that she's got a regular slim body underneath that. Yes. Yeah, they have to... Oh, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, I can understand that
00:38:17
Speaker
the budget share constraints have affected the roles of those two characters and obviously it's I think in terms of Ali it saved a lot of money and she was still like quite an interesting character and I like the body issue stuff but with refracts I think I actually enjoyed his character too and I remember thinking like I hope that they bring him onto the team in the comics as well
00:38:39
Speaker
I liked his character. It was interesting. It was something different. It was a bit cyclops-y, but not really cyclops-y. That was cool. They were never going to be able to put Chamber on there. One little side note, when I was reading the comics, I always read it in my head as Chamber.
00:39:01
Speaker
instead of chamber. So every time I go to say chamber now, I have to like question myself because I've just read it as chamber in my head for the last 20 years. For the longest time, I was worried about, I was pronouncing Magneto right because I think it was Spider-Man and his amazing friends pronounced it Magneto when I was a kid. And I'm just like, am I saying it right? And then the TV show pronounced, then when the animated series pronounced it, I'm like, okay, I'm fine.
00:39:27
Speaker
I will say for Chamber, I feel like maybe there's a way they could have done it where because I mean in the comics, he has that part covered like majority of the time. So you could just have an actor come on and
00:39:40
Speaker
sort of be like 2020, have a face mask all the time. And then maybe just spend the money every now and again when he used, you know, when he does the thing. You could usually have like just, cause it's those straps. Like a little bit. Yeah. Like a little bit, like a little tiny bit. Although I suppose it could get old, like to the point where, how come he never uses his powers? He just has that thing on all the time.
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, well, Refracts uses his powers like once in the whole movie, actually. That's true. That's true. So it wouldn't have been a big deal. I think it was part of that was also so that they could have that scene where he accidentally x-rays Buff's eye, too. So they had to have some reason for that kind of thing. Yeah, I thought they were OK. You know, I thought they were good enough characters, although I thought it was weird that Refracts wears sunglasses all the time where he doesn't have to.
00:40:35
Speaker
Like it'd be one thing if at least he had like colored contacts or something so that his eyes are unnatural and that's why he does it. But otherwise it was just weird that he's always wearing sunglasses when he doesn't need them to control his powers or hide his eyes or anything like that. Because he's cool, okay, period. I thought his eyes did look a bit weird. Like weren't they like a bit bruised around the skin and stuff?
00:41:01
Speaker
I think, not that you mentioned, I think I did remember noticing something like that, but only in the car scene. I didn't really notice it any other times. Yeah, I thought his eyes did look a bit weird and that's why he was wearing them. But they weren't like bright colored red contacts or something like that, which they could have been in. It wouldn't have cost a lot to do. You're correct. And like Mondo was completely nothing like the guy in the comics, but I did think he had some good moments though. I thought,
00:41:31
Speaker
His character was written terribly, basically. He's just written to be the Dick Jock character. But I did think he had, like I did like the exchange when they're talking about, he's like, you should stay away from Jello. And he's like, he's like, hey man, I hate Jello. He's like getting very serious about it.
00:41:49
Speaker
I didn't realize exactly how Mondo's powers worked until I watched the movie and I think the movie showed how his powers worked much better than the comic book did. That's one thing that the movie did better than the comics you know to grab something and that's what you turn into. I think they ever really showed that in the books. I think that is he just so he's basically like absorbing man. Basically yeah. Essentially okay.
00:42:11
Speaker
although it's more visual, I guess, more visual than absorbing man, I guess, like absorbing man. It's just like, I guess he doesn't, but he, his body seems to change more drastically than absorbing man's does. But okay. All right. And yeah, I think you're right. I think it is only organic stuff he absorbs too. Yeah, I think it's just organic stuff. Cause he can't do metals and stuff like, like absorbing man can.
00:42:39
Speaker
Um, so then that brings us to, uh, to Em, what'd you guys think of her? I, I did think, I get what you're saying, um, Oscar about her being a little bit too rude, but I did like that they made an attempt to, to give her this kind of like haughty personality and where she thinks she's better than everybody else. She's, she was such a non presence to me in the show. Like, cause
00:43:04
Speaker
Em's probably my, of the student, my favorite character on the roster. But yeah, like she just seems to be there to be mean to Jubilee and then she shows up and she's like, oh, I'm Hadi, I'm much better than you. But we don't really get a sense of like why she would feel that way besides like, oh, I have a really cool power set, which is a part of it.
00:43:30
Speaker
But like in the comic, it also has a lot to do with her upbringing, like who her family is, the fact that she's filthy rich and her dad is like a big political muckety muck that we don't really get in the show. And it's a limited runtime, but I feel like that's the kind of character development they could have squeezed in for her.
00:43:55
Speaker
And it wouldn't be hard, right? It wouldn't be hard for them to just bring in some dialogue about how rich she is and how she's really slumming it there with the kids, right? Yeah, and who her daddy is, right? Who her father is. I thought it was also weird that they excluded her flying because that would actually give her something to do in the scene at the end, in the climactic fight scene when skin
00:44:18
Speaker
pulls Rushld Tresh over the abyss with him. Like you'd have M fly in after him and that would actually give her something to do. But I'd say to save him. I mean, I don't think it, I think it'd be cheaper than doing the weird rubber hand thing actually. Cause all you gotta do is have her on cables. But can we talk about that fight scene? Cause I'm still so confused by it. Like it's all meant to be psychic, right? Like it's all in the dreams, right? Like it's not a physical,
00:44:48
Speaker
Well, she does say it's a dimension. What does that mean? I don't know. It's like so much about this dream dimension. What does that mean? The whole dream dimension plot is held together with chewing gum at best. The dream dimension is like the astral plane, right? That's who I read it? Maybe. I don't know. But then they're going in physically, and their powers all work just like normal. And they've got all this, I don't know what the hell is going on with that whole thing.
00:45:17
Speaker
The main problem with the scene, despite the plot holes and all of that stuff, is that they were so wooden. They were all standing still. It's like every character was standing still until it was their turn to say a lie. And then they would step forward. It was almost like a high school play, the way they had done that. It wasn't dynamic. There was a lot of problems with that fight scene. It was very anti-climatic.
00:45:46
Speaker
Yeah, they could have, whatever money they did have, they should have spent on that. I think the director thought if you just tilted the camera and had like a slight tilt of the camera, then that would sort of make up for the lack of everything else.
00:46:01
Speaker
This director, I'm convinced if Dutch angles were a person, this director would fuck them. Because Jesus Christ, he's in love with Dutch angles. He loves them okay. And the colored lights, right? The background colored lights. We'll just put a green colored light there and then for the next one, we'll tilt it to the left and we'll do a red colored light. And that will just show everyone that this is something freaky.
00:46:27
Speaker
The addition of the electric guitars I loved, though, so you knew that something was wrong was very like Melrose plays like the electric guitar comes in. Okay, you know, it's a bad guy. I had made for kids as well, right? This show was aimed at kids.
00:46:42
Speaker
Right? Kind of? Maybe teenagers? Yeah, I think maybe teenagers. I did think it was also weird with the colors are just so weird in this. I had to change the settings of my TV just to make sense of what's happening half the time in it. But kudos again to Finola for delivering that line about the portal, with all the seriousness.
00:47:06
Speaker
gravitas that she can muster because I'm like, that is the most nonsensical thing that I have ever heard. I think the best, my favorite line of hers in the movie is when, um, they're in class and Kurt asks, how are we supposed to relax and concentrate at the same time? She's like, make believe you're playing with yourself. Yeah, that was good. That was very good. I was like, Oh, wow. That's, I forgot that line. That was probably the best comeback I thought ever. And that was pure Emma Frost, right? It's exactly something I would see her saying. Um,
00:47:35
Speaker
And then I guess time to talk about the big bad, this movie, Rushll Tresh. I'd like to call him Matt Frewer playing himself as he usually does. Yeah, yeah. Like everyone says, oh, he's doing a Jim Carrey thing. I'm like, well, no, Matt Frewer is doing this before Jim Carrey. He was Jim Carrey before Jim Carrey. But it is- Well, I'm not aware of him. So I'm one of those people saying he's Jim Carrey that you bought off Wish.
00:48:05
Speaker
But. I'm telling Matthew where you said that. Well, you can feel free. Feel free. Um, but I think if Jim Carrey is copying that, well, then Jim Carrey did it better. Like there was just, uh, when you, if this is your only exposure to Matt, this is not his best work. This is no, no, definitely not his best work by any means. Um, did you guys ever watch supernatural TV show?
00:48:34
Speaker
I see. Okay. Uh, he plays pestilence in the fifth season, I think it is. And he was really good in that. He's like sufficiently he's like, he's like, got this calm, creepyness the whole time. And it's just, and you know, I'm watching that and I'm rewatching this when he's doing like this manic Frank Gorshin like impersonation. I'm like, actually he would have made a really good Riddler. Um, yeah, actually. Yeah.
00:49:04
Speaker
I think Jim Carrey did a good regular as well. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Maybe I have to rewatch it though. It's been a long time, but I think that would be the only Batman villain that I would see Jim Carrey as.
00:49:21
Speaker
I could see him as a, if he's, cause he's done serious stuff before, right? If he's doing, if he, I could see him doing a better job if he was doing a serious version of the Riddler, but doing the, but when he's trying to do the Frank Orson impersonation, he just can't pull it off as well as Frank Orson did.
00:49:39
Speaker
But yeah, the whole, the thing about the dream dimension is just, it's so bizarre to me why they even use this. Cause they've got the whole mutant registration angle. You've got the whole mutant experimentation
Critique of Plot and Conceptual Elements
00:49:51
Speaker
thing. I don't know why you need to go into this dream stuff. Yeah. I don't really see what, like, it's such a weird thing to pit them against. Like the, aside from like, yeah.
00:50:09
Speaker
They could have just gone in and tried to rescue him from taking the part of his brain out, right? They didn't have to do it within the dream dimension. But it gives them an opportunity to dispose of the bad guy and leave it open for the bad guy to come back. Although if this is going to series, I don't think anybody would have wanted to see this bad guy to come back.
00:50:35
Speaker
I suspect you may be right there. I was interested, I was like, oh, why aren't they getting m-plate? You know, like someone that is after mutants and has an especial appetite for young mutants. You're right. And that is basically the plot of the movie in a way, right? Like it's some creepy guy who's kidnapping mutants for their essence.
00:50:57
Speaker
Mm hmm. And I mean, it's it's very possible if had they done and played that he would have looked cheesy. But I mean, I think would have been a much better approach. I mean, I wouldn't have even given the budget constraints, I would have been fine if they didn't go the full the fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they just gave him like a mask or something like that, I would have been fine with that. That's fine. Yeah. So I think this is the budget like version of and played, right?
00:51:26
Speaker
Very, very much in line. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I thought it was weird how after skin frees him from the mental hospital, like he's skin's obviously in better shape than him. Skin's got his own powers. So how does he kidnap him and take him back to this laboratory?
00:51:51
Speaker
the power of plot and stuff needs to happen, okay? We didn't get to see how he- Stuff needs to happen. It just happens because it does. He just suddenly appears in the hospital to rescue him with all of that equipment. He just magically teleported in, but we don't need to know that. Yeah, this is also the first appearance of, and this is another tie-in to the X-Men movies because, Hatley Castle is used as the,
00:52:19
Speaker
the setting for the Xavier Institute in this. And it's also used in many of the X-Men movies. It was used in the first three movies and it was used in Days of Future Past and Apocalypse as well. And Deadpool as well, yeah. The way this is, wasn't that Casa Loma?
00:52:38
Speaker
I think that may have been the one that was used in first class. Because there was a different one they used in first class, but it was Hatley Castle in most of the movies. And then, and Hatley Castle, it was also the Luther Mansion in Smallville and the Queen Mansion in the early seasons of Arrow. It's on my bucket list of movie set places I'd like to see in real life. It's beautiful and I can see
00:53:09
Speaker
why they used it in the following films after watching it being used in Generation X. It's a perfect mansion. Yeah, I thought that was a possible tie-in to the movies later on too.
00:53:25
Speaker
Although if we were being super accurate and nerdy pedantic, I mean, but they were headquarters at the Massachusetts Academy though, not the mansion. Well, yeah, in the comics, but I had looked it up because he had mentioned, because one of the townies mentioned welcome to Hastings. And I looked it up and I found there's a bunch of places called Hastings and one of them is a place in New York. So I think maybe they were trying to go for New York there.
00:53:57
Speaker
Um, I don't know. What would you guys say? What do you guys rate this film out of a 10? What would you give it? Um, 0.5. I think I, I think I would go for like maybe a mid four, I would say. Well, that's generous of you. That's, that's generous. I'm fine. Okay.
00:54:25
Speaker
How about you? I think I'm going to modify mine. Cause I was thinking of, cause I had rated this on letterbox, but letterbox uses a five star system. So based on that, it was point on the 10 point system, I guess maybe two. Yeah. I'm going to be smack in the middle and say about a three, let's say about a three, it did have some good points to it. And I think, um, you to take it, what it is, I think it's a lot of, it's a product of its time as a pilot.
00:54:51
Speaker
It had those maybe too big of an influence of the X-Files and Buffy and 90210 and it was trying to be edgy when it shouldn't, but there was still some nuggets of goodness there with Emma Frost and the actual concept of the Scorpion mutants and the look of it, you know, the castle and the characters were ripe for development. It really had potential.
00:55:16
Speaker
What do you guys think of the Generation X uniform they use at the end there? Because I think they actually did a pretty good job with that. I will not give them props for that moment. It was a bracing moment, although
00:55:32
Speaker
It looked a bit like, the material just looked a bit off to me. I wasn't super convinced of its fidelity, but I mean, again, it's all about like translate. Things that look good on the page may not look good on the screen, but they did good for what they had.
00:55:50
Speaker
Maybe if they made it more like a leathery material, which was in the WandaVision and stuff like that, like they made it more leather kind of thing. It might be better, but I still loved how true it was the comics. I loved the color.
00:56:04
Speaker
I just thought it was great. For me, that was a moment when I was like, ah. I was a little bit disappointed when I first saw this movie, because I remember they showed the clip of Buff in the uniform in the trailer. And I was expecting to see them in the uniforms a lot more, instead of just like that one scene of Buff at the end.
00:56:22
Speaker
Well, it's interesting they've got that as the thumbnail, right? For the YouTube, when you find this on YouTube, they've got that trip off with the uniform one as the thumbnail. So that really is the true climax, I guess, of the film, rather than the fight with Russell. Yeah. What do you guys think if this had gone to series? Do you think it would have been, how do you think, do you think it would have been worth the watch? Like, do you think it would have been as something like, it would it be something we remembered, like we remember,
00:56:52
Speaker
Buffy or even The Incredible Hulk, or would it be something more like the the Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man? What's the next scene that proves your point? What's the next? It was the 1970s. CBS did a Spider-Man live action Spider-Man TV show. OK. Starring Nicholas Hammond.
00:57:12
Speaker
Um, I mean, we, I guess we can't really say for sure, but I feel like Fox got the chance to maybe do it better with a higher budget with the gifted, but I really wouldn't call that something memorable or like appointment watching either. Yeah. I only watched like a couple of episodes of that. Um, so I don't know. Like I feel like, and.
00:57:39
Speaker
I hate to give them too much credit, but it's deserved. Like unless it's like Kevin Feige and those guys doing it, I just, I don't have a lot of faith. I was going to say, I feel like it would depend upon who was in charge, right? Yeah, for sure. Like just Sweden, fantastic job of Buffy. And if he had been in the helm of Generation X, then I think it would have been a success.
00:58:04
Speaker
So I guess what that means, and we're all kind of agreement on this, right? I think the concept is great, the characters are great, the execution is where they failed.
00:58:15
Speaker
And I think what makes things that are successful like adaptation successful is like if they really respect and commit to the concept of the characters and I didn't really get a sense of that in the pilot or this installment and so
00:58:37
Speaker
Like, I think if they really commit to the characters fully, it could be good. But I didn't see their intent to do that in the pilot. Yeah, I think it's weird. It's funny you mentioned talking about Buffy and Josh Whedon.
Speculation on Generation X Series Success
00:58:55
Speaker
Because you think about it, Buffy, at the end, it kind of was high school with super powers, because all the other characters eventually did develop powers anyway.
00:59:06
Speaker
And yeah, if this did, if they had waited like two years before they decided to do this, I think they probably would have tried to get Josh Whedon to do it instead. And it probably would have been much better. Was Buffy on, was that a Fox show in America? WB. WB. Okay. Eventually because- But no, but actually, but no, it was, Fox produced it. Right, but it aired, yeah. Yep. So it was technically on the right. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:36
Speaker
So that's interesting. Maybe they thought that there was a, you know, they already had the one hit one. They didn't have to do another one, which is very unhollywood, right? Like normally once you've got something that's successful, then they just hammer it to death. Well, I think this, I'm not sure exactly in the timeline, but I don't think Buffy was a real hit at this point. Like Buffy, I think it became a hit after this.
00:59:56
Speaker
Um, well, I, and I don't think it was ever like, I guess, like a quote unquote hit, like what they would consider a hit. If you were like an ABC or NBC show, like it definitely had like a solid cult following. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it did really well for, for the network that it was airing on, but I don't think like the bean counters would have ever called it a hit. Right. It wasn't like X-Files numbers or anything. No, it wasn't like friends numbers by any means. Yeah.
01:00:26
Speaker
So yeah, that's probably why too. And plus this one, because there were a lot of talk about doing this as a TV show. They were planning to do it. And then the ratings on this and the reviews were just so merciless that they're just like, yeah, no, we're not gonna do that. Well, the reviews were fair, I think, merciless but also fair. Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah.
01:00:55
Speaker
I do wonder though, did they think they were making something, let's go with okay? Or were they just phoning it in? Or were they thinking like, no, this is good. What we did was it was as good as it could be. That's so hard to tell because I've seen some stuff that I'm just like, you know, these people are not serious about this. And then you hear the talking interviews and it's like, holy shit, no, they really are serious. They were artists.
01:01:24
Speaker
So I mean like you watch the, in fact, you watch the, there's a documentary about the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie. And so- But we noticed that was just to retain the rights. Well, that was Roger Corman. That was Roger, not the actors didn't know that. Oh, the actors didn't know that. No, no, no, no. Nobody involved in the actual, no one was actually involved in production knew about that. It was only like Roger Corman and the upper people who knew that. Did he ever tell them?
01:01:50
Speaker
they didn't find out until later. And like you listen those actors and they're like heartbroken over the fact that it was not, that it was shelved and everything. And then when they, they felt betrayed and they're like, and they had like really taken it seriously. And it's just like, oh my God, these guys were really earnest.
01:02:07
Speaker
It's just weird thinking like now, like comparing now and back then, where now it's like such a well oil tightly controlled machine with, I mean, there's a lot of quality control, I think, to the point where people like the regular critique of Marvel, like, you know, it's become broad and routine, like,
01:02:28
Speaker
it's the same film every time but it's just amazing that like back then before all this came into play like somebody just created this generation x tv movie and they thought i'm just going to be generous and say no they thought it was good they thought it maybe not good but but they thought it was okay like they thought okay this is good let's let's put it on let's put it on air so it's before they knew the power of um and i was
01:02:58
Speaker
their properties, right? And how successful they could actually be. It was, I think we need to give it a bit of grace again, I guess I'll use that word, a bit of grace to the fact that it was the first one. And they didn't even know whether it could have been done with live action. I think the X-Men film was really one thought it all out. And I just wonder, the thing that I find interesting is like, I wonder how this,
01:03:28
Speaker
besides the use of the sets, how much influence it had on the film, the X-Men film, whether they saw the good notes of this and thought, you know what, let's actually put some money in this and see what we can do with it. It's different producers, right, Perry? Because I think the X-Men, the Donners, like Lauren Charlotte Donner was like show running. I'm not sure who was show running this thing.
01:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I know it wasn't, it wasn't sure that much. But yeah, directed by Jack Scholder, written by Eric Blakeney, whose names are not well-known, obviously. But it was Avi Arad, he was producing everything back, but he was executive producer, so it's not really David Russell, Matthew Edelman. It's like, nobody really well-known, I'd say, as far as producers go.
01:04:26
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Oh wow, the director, well actually this guy did Jack Shoulder. He directed Arachnid and A Nightmare on Elm Street 2. So there you go. Wow. I know one of those things. I've seen both of those films, but a long time ago. So I don't know whether I would be able to say whether they were great or not, but I definitely know. I've only seen Nightmare on Elm Street 2, which
01:04:55
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I'm not going to say it's good, but I'll give it credit because it tried to do something different from that. It didn't just try to replicate the first Nightmare on Elm Street. It tried to do the dreamscape as well, right? No, the dreamscape came. Yeah, well, it involves the dream stuff. But the big dreamscape like the kids going on, that was that was three when Wes Craven came back. So I guess maybe he saw what was that was Craven made a better Nightmare on Elm Street sequel. And he thought, oh, I'm going to do that.
01:05:24
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All right, but I think that about brings us to the end of this movie. Guys, you wanna tell people where they can find you? Well, first I should say that you can find all of us on, if you enjoyed the three of us bantering, you can listen to e4evolution.transistor.fm. That's our podcast where we talk about the Grant Morrison X-Men run. And Oscar, how about you? Any other places? Yeah, you can see my ramblings on Twitter at ODAT220.
01:05:55
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And you can find me in my Tumblr, which is perfectfabricjkillingmachine. I also have another podcast called Crocoan exports that I host with one of my good friends, Pat Loika, where we talk about the current Hickman era of X-Men. And if you need more Emma Frost content in your life, I also mod the House of Frost group on Facebook. So check us out.
01:06:22
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01:06:47
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uh ambition to watch that film again i actually enjoyed it for once i enjoyed it okay well good i'm glad you had a good glad it wasn't too painful for you then so okay thank you uh that does it for us and uh we'll talk to you next time
01:07:06
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01:07:58
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