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271- Listener Mailbag 11; the questions that generate more questions than answers!
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Pre-owned fishing rods, sentimental wooly jumpers & a vegan poultry farmer; it's no wonder we couldn't agree on our responses! We've got a whole range of correspondence from you fabulous listeners over the last couple of months, so here to sift through & respond to your messages are Julie, Shane & Anthony.
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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Hello everybody, it is that time, it is mailbag time. We are here to discuss your correspondence, your opinions and your fascinations. My name is Anthony and for this episode of Vegan Talk I am also joined by Julie and Shane.
00:00:19
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butt is used for. Brrr! Take your flat-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
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Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? True education. younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things.
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What is this? What kind of movie is this? It's comedy, gobbled, maybe. Any form of social injustice has occurred. connection with another. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright.
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Does veganism give him superpowers?
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I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision.
Vegan Talk Format and Availability
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Hello everybody, Julie here. Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you very much for joining us. Hey everyone, this is Shane and you're listening to Vegan Talk. This is the show where we discuss topics related to veganism or animal rights. And you can find all previous episodes of Vegan Talk in your podcast feed and they are evergreen podcasts so you can listen to them anytime or over and over again. Indeed. in fact, our first message is relating to somebody who has been listening to previous episodes and getting a lot of enjoyment from them. So you can do that. This is one of our mailbag episodes. I think it might be number 10 or number 11. You'll probably see on I'll have found this out since we stopped the recording and I'll, I'll put it up on the episode. So you'll know the answer. I think we're at number 10 or number 11. So you can go back and listen to old mailbag episodes too, if you want. These are really important to us because we want to be as representative as we can be of vegans and vegan opinions, animal rights perspectives on things. And there's a bunch of us who currently feel comfortable putting our voices on the microphone and that's wonderful. And we really value that.
00:02:19
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And there's a larger group of you who enjoy listening to the content, maybe don't want to record your voices or don't have the time to commit to doing so, that's fine too. But your opinions are just as valuable. So we schedule these in as often as we can. As soon as we've got a few emails and Instagram comments to discuss, we schedule one of these episodes. So please do keep the correspondence coming in, not just so we've got content. I mean, we've got lots to talk about. We don't have to talk about people's emails, but We really want to hear different people's opinions. So that is why these are important to us. Shane, why don't you get us rolling with the first email?
Question: What to do with old fishing equipment?
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Okay, here it is.
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Hello, Enough of the Falafel. I just wanted to say thank you for producing this excellent podcast twice weekly. I started listening to the podcast back in January. I've since listened back to October 2025. And then I started back at the beginning and I'm on episode 40 something where I discovered how bad legumes are for biodiversity. This kind of puts a new spin. This is me editorializing. This puts a new spin on our story from Monday about those fava beans. All right, back to the letter.
00:03:31
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I have a question for you. I went vegan over five years ago, and prior to that, I'm sad to say that I used to go fishing. So I'm left with several rods, reels, and tackle.
00:03:42
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What do you think I should do with them? Should I consign them to the local dump? Would that be a waste because people will go fishing with or without my fishing gear, so perhaps I should sell it? What are your thoughts on this? Thanks again to you all.
00:03:55
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Dave, and Dave is the Welsh Vegan Allotment Holder. who what do you think julie i've got thoughts but do you want to go in first i'll go i'll go hello dave hello there welsh vegan allotment holder first of all thank you for joining us and writing in and thank you for stopping going fishing gosh what a blooming thing to be doing So personally, wouldn't sell any equipment like that because you are then enabling the harm caused to fish and the killing of fish. So and you'd be profiting from that harm. There'd be all kinds of things about that that wouldn't align with me as animal rights advocate personally. Well, I think I might be right in saying, I could be wrong, I might have dreamt this, but I think that some people have repurposed fishing gear for pulling litter and other such things out of rivers. I think there's a way to make it safe so that you can use it to clean up the water. That would be totally amazing if you would do that. So I think if you can use it for something good like that without harming any little fish or little animals in the water, that would be amazing. If you cannot, junk it, break it up so that nobody can pull it out of the tip and use it for that means at all. Absolutely break it up and don't feel too guilty about doing that because you're saving lives doing that. If some of the stuff you've got are like those huge big long wader, big sort of all-in-one like welly things, I would keep a hold of them. You never know when you might have a very muddy situation to deal with or something. But certainly anything that is used for killing little fish and stuff, get red, repurpose one of those two things. That's my thoughts. So instinctively agree with you, Julie, I have to say.
00:06:04
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And I was thinking about it. It it feels like what Dave is saying, well well, people are going to be going fishing one way or another. I think ah the worst possible scenario would be for
Debate: Selling vs. Repurposing Fishing Gear
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Dave to take this to a charity shop and for them to display it in a window. So a non-fishing place to advertise the idea of fishing to people who haven't considered it or maybe thought, oh, that's out of my price range. I can't afford a nice new fishing rod. Oh my goodness.
00:06:32
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there's a real cheap one, I could give that a go now. We definitely don't want more people engaging in that. I'm just wondering, this isn't necessarily my opinion, I'm just thinking aloud, if Dave made an eBay listing for the fishing rod that was searched for by people who were looking for fishing rods, and basically the whole listing was was vegan propaganda, and was just saying that Like i I used to go fishing and now I completely regret it. It's terrible. The things that happened, he could load it with loads of facts in in terms of, you know, fish fill pain. Here's a link to a study, all these needless things. Here's what I do with my time now. It's so much better. I feel so much better about myself. I've stopped eating fish and, and you know, I feel much better for that, maybe physically, maybe, you know, morally or what have you.
00:07:20
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There could be an argument for doing something like that. And you could say, if somebody does buy this stuff off me, I'm going to donate all the proceeds to an animal sanctuary or an animal charity or a blah blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying I think that is better than repurposing it. I think that's a brilliant idea, Julie. And I'm picturing Dave going to his old haunts where he used to do fishing. you know Unless we were lucky enough to be born into a vegan culture, a vegan family, we've all done things that exploited animals and you know there shouldn't be any shame in being born into that and being inculcated into that culture.
00:07:58
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but to to do something about it. the The main thing is going vegan, fantastic. But I love the idea of Dave going back to his old haunt, maybe having a little A-frame out that says, don't worry, I'm not fishing.
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There's a magnet on the end of my fishing rod and I'm picking up bits of litter or what have you, you know actually advertising it. Got all these ideas for you, Dave. I really like the idea of that too. And As I think you were saying, Julie, if it is the dump, then just completely deconstruct it. so that but Because i do know that that my my great, great uncle used to work at a ah council tip and you know there was loads of stuff they salvaged.
00:08:38
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um Because they looked at it, oh, that's a perfectly good rocking chair. That's a perfectly good blah, blah, blah. And it would be awful to think of awful to think of this causing more harm without anything done. i I wonder whether there can be vegan activism done to those people who are already engaged in fishing.
00:08:56
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through an eBay listing or or otherwise, or, you know, you you you could talk to somebody who, but you could sell it to somebody locally. Again, give the money to a ah good cause and and and just just talk to them and say, like, I feel really bad about what I did, blah, blah, blah. And it might make no difference at all, but it might, as Dave said, they're going to be fishing anyway. Maybe this could be an opportunity to reduce the number of people fishing. I don't know. What what do you think, Shane? I think I was thinking along the same lines as you are and that if if you do an eBay listing, you can actually program it so that the money goes directly to charity and you can choose your charity because I've sold things before and then I'm like, oh, donate –
00:09:42
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this percent of the profits to this or whatever. So you could donate 100% directly to whatever animal group that you want, maybe something to do with saving fishes. So um yeah, if you want to if you want to sell it, because people are going to fish anyway. So I still don't know whether that's what I'd actually do because at the end of the day, and I think you were saying this, Julie, like these are torture machines. They have been designed to hurt, to interfere with, to to kill animals and and you you want less of those in the world. but I don't think it's going to happen to animals anyway argument stacks up because you could say that about any abusive thing that happens to animals it is going to happen anyway but it doesn't mean that we need to be part of facilitating any of it what you can do you could do a post on your social media with you smashing up your you gear and saying this is why I'm doing this and then putting it in the tip you don't need to be selling it and profiting it
00:10:43
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you know, profiting from it because somebody might need a new fishing rod and not be able to find one at a price they can afford and then get another interest in the meantime and then go, well, yeah, i was going to buy a fishing rod, but you know what? They've got so expensive, I'm not going to bother. They might be on the wane and you might just reinvigorate the interest when they go, oh, there's a bargain. Oh, I was, you know, I was, ah I've really not been fishing for ages, but look, that's a bargain. I'm going to buy that.
00:11:10
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People get tempted by bargains to, to use stuff and to get involved in things when they might not necessarily be about to do that. So I think don't fuel that fire, you know, would be, you know, my personal take on it. Sorry to go back to me. But I think, yes, if you want to let the world know that you are away from fishing and why, that's a great idea. And yeah, do a video of you smashing up your stuff and liberating yourself from
00:11:41
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that need to kill animals for pleasure. Great idea. When I used to run a restaurant, our team one day were awarded, i can't remember the exact name of it, but it was a a sculpture, quote unquote, that was basically an animal trap that um these two animal rights activists had found out in a field had disarmed, um had removed, and then very artistically they'd sprayed it gold and they'd made it look nice with some sort of artificial moss on it and what have you, and they'd put it on a like a little wedge of a tree stump and and called it something like, you know, the...
00:12:24
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Animal Rights Hero Award March 2022 or something like that. And um they'd clearly gone round and disarmed several of these tracks and and like awarded them to people who were doing things to promote veganism and and things like that. So we we had it awarded to us as ah as a piece of modern art. So there's another idea for you, Dave. Get the spray paint out, turn it into something, you know, maybe you could come up with a creative name for it, like a Grammy or an Emmy, but fishing rod related. I don't know.
00:12:54
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Who knows? you You need to get in touch, Dave, and tell us what you actually decide to do when indeed that that comes. Let us know on Instagram, Dave. Yes, indeed. On all the mediums, all the mediums. Brilliant stuff. Julie, do you want to read out the next one? Yes, I will. this one is from one of our Neil listeners. The Neil clan. Oh, hello there. I think this is Neil the subscriber. Yeah, subscriber Neil. Lovely Neil, if he's branded.
00:13:23
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Oh, lovely Neil. Okay. So he says, Neil here, just thought of a topic to discuss on a future vegan talk episode.
Question: Wearing pre-vegan leather or wool?
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As a vegan, is it okay to wear leather slash wool items that you already own?
00:13:43
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I was cold the other day and got out an old sweater in brackets he's written sentimental and had for years and looking at the that it was about wool Also, looking around, my old classic car has leather seats and what's that?
00:14:06
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An old pair of leather shoes. My work car has vegan leather seats and I do check labels when I buy any items now. Becomes the norm as a vegan. He writes in brackets again. Just wanted to hear your views on this as I believe they can be mixed.
00:14:25
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Also, there are new innovations in apple leather and other vegan materials that are worth investigating. Recycled plastics from the ocean, etc. are used in handbags, etc.
00:14:39
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Neil. So I think the question is, is it okay to wear leather wool items that you already own? And I would say that we're a society that throws everything away.
00:14:52
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And if the thought of sitting on or wearing leather that's already been purchased, then that doesn't upset you too much, then I think that it's fine.
00:15:04
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um I know a lot of people are wearing vintage things instead of consuming more. I mean, a lot of vegans are, and they're like, well, you know, ah i 20 years ago, I bought this leather jacket. I'm not going to buy a new jacket. I'm going to wear this jacket. I know people who are against fur. They're not necessarily vegans, but they're like, oh, my grandmother gave me this fur coat and I'm going to wear the fur coat because i you know it was gifted to me, handed down from a relative. So I think if it if that doesn't bother you, you're not purchasing anything new. i mean, I guess there's an issue of people seeing you wearing it, but...
00:15:43
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I mean, I don't know how much people pay attention to that because pretty much everyone is wearing animal products. Yeah, I i wondered about situations in which I would do something like this. i I mean, to go to the sort of original definition of veganism or the one that, say, for example, the Vegan Society states, if you're wearing something that you already own that is leather or is wool,
00:16:10
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for example, then you're not directly contributing to any animal use or or suffering, are you? Although you are using the product of an animal, the the previous possession, the previous life of an animal.
00:16:27
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You are using that. you're You're not arguably directly causing that yourself. I wouldn't wear secondhand leather shoes if I was meeting my vegan friend, because I think that would potentially be upsetting or insensitive. And I'm lucky enough to not, I mean, I don't,
00:16:45
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Do I have any? I do have a pair of shoes that are leather that were given to me secondhand. I do sometimes wear, yeah, I wouldn't wear those if I was meeting a vegan friend because there's there's no need to.
00:16:59
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My other pairs of shoes aren't made from animals. But like you say, Shane, like the hyperbolic example would would be somebody who you know has perfectly good leather wool clothes, throws them out and then goes mad buying loads of plasticky vegan alternatives, more than they need, et cetera, et cetera. In reality, I don't think that's the case. I don't think people do that. I don't think those people really exist. What what what do you think, Julie, in terms of that? like Shane raises a ah ah point that that comes to me in in terms of the fact people are people will notice what you're wearing. I think particularly as a vegan, people will go, hang on, why are you wearing that leather waistcoat like I thought you were wearing? Don't give me that look, Shane. I work in, i spend my time in in folk music circles. Lots of people wear leather waistcoats. Okay. Well, they're not going to say that to me because over my dead body, would I ever wear leather or wool? At the thought of even touching those items, I feel a bit disgusted by because I am, because I know where they came from.
00:18:11
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So I wouldn't stomach wearing either of those items personally and I wouldn't want to give out that message to anybody that these things are okay whether they've been previously bought before i was an animal rights activist or whatever. know mean? That is just not the message that I want to give. It's not in alignment with my values. And I think sometimes this sustainability argument is actually a bit of a smokescreen and a bit of a waste of people's breath because I think the impact of ditching something that will, I mean, leather will biodegrade, so wool will,
00:18:56
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It definitely will. I mean, wool is quite good for the ground, actually. The whole notion of ditching that and consigning that to the earth is far less damaging in reality than going about wearing something like that and looking like you're endorsing it and people going, oh, that's a nice jumper or those are nice shoes or whatever. i I would easily trash these items. That's where they belong. They should never have existed in the first place. So I would trash them. And maybe that makes me sound like somebody who doesn't care about the environment. But like I say, these things aren't actually going to harm the environment too much. But the kind of prolonging of people's appetite for these items coming from animals, they're going to kill animals.
Discussion: Environmental Impact of Leather
00:19:45
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So yeah, and if you have any doubts about your jumper with the sentimental connection and everything, Neil, just watch the PETA video that we've been talking about.
00:19:56
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Or even the older one about sheep shearing and then see how you feel. Honestly, about I'm not doing it in a threatening way, but just, you know, that will give you a better answer than I can give you, I think.
00:20:10
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Definitely. And what you do about your car with leather seats, I don't know. I don't know. If it was me, I would sell my car. to be honest I just ah that that yeah and your shoes consign them to the earth they will biodegrade beautifully and you are absolutely right there are beautiful pineapple leather and different kinds of leathers out there that are nice to the environment and don't involve animal abuse
00:20:42
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and recycled items like you say but yeah plenty of alternatives out there and just thank you for being someone who does check the labels now and who is living the vegan life I hope you find other ways to keep yourself warm Yeah, yeah. you would They are out there.
00:21:03
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And like, as we've been having this discussion, I've i've been thinking, well, if we do take the the argument, which i i I feel, Julie, I i feel what what you're saying there in terms of, you know, we don't want to be promoting these things.
00:21:18
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And we know vegan companies and non-vegan companies will make things to look and feel exactly like leather, wool, silk. And, and you know, we've said it before on the show, but like, can you tell the difference between someone eating a vegan hot dog and a non-vegan hot dog?
00:21:37
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Because I can't. Same with a burger. you you know So I completely agree with the sentiment. and And we know that having things that look and taste the same do seem do seem to help folk stump up the courage to say, oh, actually, this doesn't have to be a huge lifestyle change for me. But there there is that risk that it's it's saying, yeah, this is OK, isn't it? But the lovely thing about throwing away your or consigning to the recycling these items is that you will replace them then and then you'll give the business to a vegan business. So you've told the universe, I don't want this anymore. This is what I want. And then that company goes, oh, we'd better make more of these lovely jumpers or this nice apple leather, whatever, because we've got a sale here. So, you know, you you get more of what you use up.
00:22:35
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So I think that's a good thing. You'll you'll make another purchase. so and And if people can't tell the difference, they're the people who... They don't know you very well and it doesn't really matter. But anybody who knows you, seeing you going about in a jumper will know that, oh, well, there's Neil, he's vegan. Oh, look, he can still have really nice clothes even though he's vegan. Great. you know what mean? They won't be analysing any more than that. But let's say that somebody has like a leather couch and then they decide they're going to go vegan and...
00:23:10
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they think, what do I do with this leather couch now? I mean, a couch is not a small purchase, you know, so just getting rid of it or, or you know, then that could be a hardship for people. And then they might think, well, I mean, I had a friend in college who, um i was vegetarian and i she was like, well, I'm not going to go vegetarian because my dad raises cows and that's how I'm paying for my college. And that would just be hypocritical. So somebody might say, well, I mean, i can't get, I don't have the money to buy a new couch. So I bet I'm going to just being a hypocrite if I say I'm going vegan.
00:23:41
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Also, I think it is a misconception that leather easily biodegrades because most of the chrome tanned leather, which is mostly what is used in and global globally,
00:23:54
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is um does not easily biodegrade. It's used with lots of chemicals. And when it um is put in the ground, it releases like chromium into the environment. It could take like 50 years to biodegrade, which I mean, yes, it's faster than plastic, but it's not necessarily not harm harmful to the environment to put these chemically treated products in the trash.
00:24:17
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Yeah, well, it's a good fact to give to your friends who are still buying leather who think oh that they're being sustainable when they are not particularly. No, it's not it's not good for the environment at all. No perfect answers here. absolutely. The animal rights answer is the one you'll get from me for sure.
00:24:36
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And like it's Neil, I assume is raising the question because it is it's a thorny one. It's it's it's unlikely to be the first thing you think about when considering to go vegan and. I feel what you're saying, Shane, and in terms of like, well, can I call myself vegan if I still have this leather couch or what have you? It it could ah it could be an obstacle to someone outing themselves as a vegan. I'd i'd cover it with loads of towels and th throws and things like that, I think, if I couldn't afford to yeah couldn't afford ah ah to to replace it initially. Goodness me, we've we've got we've got questions coming out of Neil's question that will fuel our next mailbag episode. I think we should move on. Thank you for the email, Neil. and your continued support. ah This next one, I think, comes from Sven.
00:25:27
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If S-V-E-N-N-E, your name is not pronounced Sven, then I apologise. But that's that's my best guess here. They say, dear enough of the Falafel Collective, first of all, thank you for making the podcast.
Dutch Documentary: "The Vegan Poultry Farmer"
00:25:41
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I really enjoy listening to it. Well, thank you.
00:25:44
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Today, I listened to your newest episode, Vegan Plus Bacon. Woo! And it immediately reminded me of a Dutch documentary film called The Vegan Poultry Farmer.
00:25:57
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If I heard correctly, one of you even mentioned a similar example when discussing where to draw the line on who can call themselves vegan. That made me curious. Are you already familiar with this documentary or was the similarity different? purely coincidental i'm going to interject into this email straight away shane that was an episode you and i did and i don't think either of us were aware of that film at the time of the conversation were we no and i think that was my comment about ah someone who works at a chicken slaughterhouse or owns a slaughterhouse or something and no i did this is just coincidental
00:26:36
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Indeed, the statistics sometimes lead to a coincidence. Anyway, back to the email. I would be happy to share my thoughts on the documentary film, but if you haven't seen it yet, I would also love to give you the chance to watch it first without any framing from my side. I like your thinking, Sven. That's how we do our movie reviews. I hope it is accessible from your country. Here's the website so you can check it out.
00:27:02
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Listeners, we've put a link in the show notes for you. The Vegan Poultry Farmer In any case, the email finishes, keep up the great work, best wishes. Now, first of all, to the point, I hope it's accessible from your country. I've had mixed success. I can get the Vegan Poultry Farmer website up. I can watch a trailer if I press things in the right order and it's a waxing gibbous moon and my computer's the right way up, but sometimes it doesn't work. I can also access a YouTube video where people are talking about the film, but it's not the film itself.
00:27:38
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Julie, let's hear from you in your accessibility first, then we'll hear from Shane too. Oh, very similar in that I can get on the website. I couldn't get the trailer to play at all. And I could get that couple of people reviewing the film, but I lost the will to concentrate on it. After the second person started speaking, I listened to the first person and yeah, sort of gave up after that, I'm sorry to say. But that's not necessarily reflection on the film. That's just the two people talking about the film, right? Well, kind of. it It was a reflection on the whole thing as a concept for me, the vegan poultry farmer. You can ask me about that when suitable. We definitely will. Shane, very briefly, a US perspective. How was access at your end?
00:28:32
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the The same as you. I i did watch the trailer, um but it was not subtitled in English, so I could not understand um what they were saying except for two brief phrase like sections where they were speaking English. So I'm not sure if I could even understand it, if I could find a way to watch it.
00:28:52
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Yeah, well, any listeners who have access to the Netherlands, particularly in late May of this year, 2026, but also 18th of June or 13th of October, there are screenings aplenty. They are all in the Netherlands.
00:29:08
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So that's one way of doing it. So we'll be getting back in touch with Sven to say, if you've got any tips on how we could watch the whole thing, should we want to. Julie, you wanted to say something about the film. Give us ah all the the project, the concept.
00:29:24
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Give us your input. Then we'll hear from Shane and I'll weigh in as well. Okay. um As I say, I haven't seen the film. I don't feel I need to watch the film. I did check this gentleman's web website out. He calls himself the vegan poultry farmer.
00:29:42
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He might farm poultry who are vegan. But he himself isn't vegan. Next. That's it. He's not vegan. It's an absolute just, you know, inaccuracy to say so. Yeah, he's he's not vegan.
00:29:59
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He isn't.
00:30:04
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maybe to get more attention for his business. I don't know. I mean, I assume he eats plant-based. Not entirely by his own admission. No, he reduces his meat and dairy consumption as far as possible. As far as possible, he's totally eliminating it. I've never seen that.
00:30:27
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yeah Is he vegan plus bacon? vegan chicken so So I did think about that because there was this film was brought up in the context of that episode. And I knew that Julie and I are probably not going to agree. And that's okay because when vegans aren't always going to agree. I think he's not similar to vegan plus bacon. Because in vegan plus bacon, you're choosing to do one non-vegan thing, right? And I was talking in that episode a lot about it's a big tent and and everything.
00:30:58
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But the vegan poultry farmer, is his actions are giving a lot of people a chance to not be vegan. And Also directly exploiting animals. So I think it would be harder to let someone like that under the tent.
00:31:16
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Maybe his heart's in the right place. He does talk about and his farm, he tried to make it like a kinder farm or something or whatever. But then I still think, but obviously those chickens are, they're not going to keep them around after they're not producing eggs. And what about the male chicks? So, I mean,
00:31:35
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there's still those problems in it. So maybe he could come like near the tent, but I don't think he's in the vegan tent. Well, he's a farmer. That's the issue here. Well, I mean, he's not a vegetable farmer. Yeah, he's an animal farmer. Yeah, sorry, I should have made clear about that. But yeah, he is farming animals. So keeping animals for his own ends. So not vegan, end of. Yeah. Yeah, it strikes me as one of those, you know, often the legal system is talked about in different countries. Are you innocent until proven guilty? Are you guilty until proven otherwise? And it feels like he sort of said, well, I'm vegan, but you can you can like interrogate that, you know, to a little bit, you know, maybe maybe I'm vegan. But with these caveats, I'm mostly plant based or what have you. I think in this instance, it really needs to be, no, no, mate, you don't get to call yourself vegan until like a significant group of people have said, yeah, that tallies with what I identify the word as myself. And I know maybe that's gatekeeping or gatekeeping or whatever, but like,
00:32:47
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you're really slim pickings to to find how he ah how he could justify this. But I mean, I've been going through the website. It's really difficult to find without paying to subscribe to a new service or reading Dutch.
00:33:03
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It's quite hard to access information about this to a thorough degree, I would say, from my experience. So what we really need is to watch a subtitled version of this film, which I would be interested in doing, even if it makes me really cross. But I'm almost wondering if maybe the point of the film is trying to show him that what he's doing is wrong. Because in the little English section, somebody said, it's good to be a vegan farmer, but it's better not to farm at all. And then there's several scenes where he's standing and there's like a, it must be in like a,
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processing facility because there's dead chickens going by him on a line so why would they put him in there unless maybe they're trying to show him the end result of what he's doing so I'm wondering if the film is trying to convince him because that was his career before Oh, that was his, how did you know that?
00:33:57
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and On of his website. So he has someone who has gone from the sort of factory farming model of chicken production to something different. That's what he's done. He hasn't gone vegan. He's nothing to do with veganism, but he's changed his style of farming and they obviously can't find the right word for it. So they're using the wrong word.
00:34:19
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But he did he used to work in a slaughterhouse in a processing facility? Because usually if you're farming, you just send the chickens or whatever away to be processed. And he's standing in a facility where the chickens are already dead and they're going by on a line, I assume, to like be dismembered or whatever. Right.
00:34:36
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That was in the trailer. He definitely... ah after I'll quote from the website, shall I? After the bankruptcy of his large-scale poultry operations, Rudy reinvented himself with a more sustainable and animal-friendly poultry farm. So he went bankrupt. It wasn't that he suddenly got a crisis of conscience. He went bankrupt. Yeah. So that that might be the reason he's now calling himself the vegan poultry farmer. Well, anyway, so his large scale poultry operations could cover a farm where they're raised and somewhere where they're slaughtered. Some companies own both facilities like that.
00:35:18
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We don't know. But anyway, how hideous. So now he's making lots of money because his innovative concept, I don't think it's that innovative, has garnered international attention and now stands on the brink of global expansion.
00:35:34
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Oh, well, good. No, I think i think i think Rudy wrote that himself. And it's all a load of nonsense. it it he He sounds like somebody who's, you know, selling shampoo out of the boot of his car, going door to door, ah but, but, but we'll talk himself up as, you know, a a international entrepreneur and and business mogul. I'm suspicious of Rudy, but I do kind of want to learn more about him. So yeah, Sven, if you can tell us how to pronounce your name and ah tell us how we could watch this film other than coming over to Netherlands, which would be a lovely thing to do, but it's, possibly beyond the budget of the show.
00:36:10
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And that'd be great. Thank you for your email and for getting us talking. Goodness, this Mailbag episode is raising more questions than answers.
Conclusion and Listener Interaction
00:36:18
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We've got a final bit of correspondence from Instagram, an Instagram comment from, we've got all the difficult to pronounce names this week. Harabe Di Palito, that's my guess. Sorry if I'm wrong. It's re the vegan and bacon episode. They say, what are my favorite episodes? Love to hear your thoughts on that. By the way, and I think you are still vegan despite the feathers. I go everywhere covered in my dog's hair.
00:36:43
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ah Thank you for your blessing. Not quite the same, is it? Not quite the same. I don't think I deserve to get off quite so scot-free there, but yes. appreciate the comments nonetheless and that episode certainly got lots of us talking goodness me thank you everybody for listening to this episode as you may well know as well as being able to receive emails from you at enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com Shane does a grand job with our Facebook and Instagram pages, which you can interact with. You can you can send us your comments, you can send us a DM.
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00:38:04
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ah Monday the 11th of May, Anthony. It's going to be a Vegan Week episode with Mark and Shane and yourself. And it'll be the usual roundup of the week's vegan and animal rights news.
00:38:19
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