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263- Can you organise vegans?
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Paul said "It's like trying to herd a bunch of very committed cats, all of whom have very different ideas"
Julie said "It's fine...so long as they're actually vegan"
Anthony said "They should all be more like Morris Dancers"
Case in point. Three vegans with completely different takes...or do they all complement one another perfectly?
In this episode of Vegan Talk, Paul, Julie & Ant discuss whether you can successfully organise vegans...and whether it matters either way!
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Introduction to 'Vegan Talk'
00:00:00
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Hello everybody. Simple question for this show. Real simple. Can you organise vegans? I'm Anthony for this episode of Vegan Talk. I'm also joined by Julie and Paul. At least that's what they said would happen, but I don't know if they're going to turn up or not. We'll have to see.
00:00:19
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butt is used for. Brrr! Take your flat-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
00:00:31
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Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. True education. younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things.
00:00:43
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What is this? kind of movie is this? It's comedy. Go on the media. Any form of social injustice.
00:00:52
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As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:01
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No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision.
Meet the Hosts: Julie and Paul
00:01:05
Speaker
Hello everyone, this is Paul. Welcome to everyone listening to this episode of Vegan Talk and thank you for being here. Hello everybody, Julie here. Yes, welcome to Vegan Talk. This is one of those shows where we have a bit of a chat on one particular topic. And we've done a lot of these shows before. So if you have a wee look in your podcast feed, you'll see lots of previous episodes on lots of different vegan and animal rights topics.
00:01:39
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Indeed, indeed. Search your favourite sort of vegan topic and you'll probably find one in there. there's One day we'll have a big library of them alphabetised so you can find exactly what you want. But for now, you've you've got to use a search function or just scroll. But they're all there.
Can Vegans Be Organized?
00:01:55
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They're all there. We are talking about a subject that we've drifted closely to.
00:02:01
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in a few of these vegan talk episodes, but we've not dedicated a whole episode to it. And that is the subject of trying to organize vegans. We've had episodes before where we've talked about, well, is there such a thing as the vegan movement? We'll often talk about it. Maybe news outlets will talk about the vegan movement and whether it's growing or whether the bubble has burst. And we've debated, well,
00:02:25
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Is there such a thing? Because we've got a vegan society, but you know we we don't go every year to the the vegan movement annual general meeting. It's just a group of people who happen to be subscribing to a lifestyle and ah and a worldview. But there are definitely folk and organisations that do try to organize vegans to try and get them to all come together, whether it's signing a petition or attending a march or saying, well, buy more of this product or let's lobby the government or what have you. And there's also people who do seem quite resistant to that. And maybe that's just a nature.
00:03:05
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in the nature of folk who in 2026, as we record this, being vegan, is still statistically an abnormality. We are a minority. We're an unusual group of people and unusual individuals by living our life this way, just just in terms of the raw numbers, whether or not you think is a good idea or not.
00:03:26
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So actually, are we quite averse to being organised, being told this is what you should do? And does that matter? That's going to be the the final point that we hone in on for this
Challenges in Organizing Vegan Events
00:03:39
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discussion. Does it matter whether we can be organised or not?
00:03:44
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Paul, I'm going to come to you first and Julie, I'll ask you the same question. I'll doubtless weigh in too. Let's imagine in a parallel universe, you have been charged with being the high organizer of vegans and you've got to get them to do x y Z, whatever it is.
00:04:02
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What would your instinct be? Would you be tingling with excitement or would you be thinking, oh my goodness, this is a poison chalice? what's What's your instinct? ah It's probably a mixture of both, if it sounds a bit sitting on the fence, but i i I can reflect on a little bit of experience in terms of organising talks for a local group, doing outreach and and doing some sort of fairly big events. So um vegan fairs where we probably had two and a half thousand people in and only a small team of five people organising that. mix Mixed views, I guess, really on it. Sometimes it it's easy.
00:04:37
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I think it very much depends on the makeup of the people who you're trying to work with. So um I've got a bit of a background in psychology and it's true, you do get different personality types. And I think you were alluding to it and at the start is there is perhaps more of a sway towards people who are quite independently minded in our group because that's kind of how we've kind of reached where we are. And I think it's a bit like herding very committed cats and but with very different views. I think that's the way I see it. um And sometimes that can mean, like, some people just do not like being, what they'd say, told what to do, or even, like, kind of guided, or kind of, could you help by doing this? And they'll be like, look yeah you know, it's bit like the old Judean people's front moment, then, if you're not careful. um It could get very much like that. So,
00:05:25
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Yeah, I think it can be a mix. I've probably seen both. I've had some nightmares trying to work with other with other vegans as well. Differences of opinion can turn into kind of quiet heated debates and fallings out. um But the thing I come back to is I mean, I've fallen out of people, for quite a few people over the years in the vegan movement for various reasons.
00:05:45
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But I'm pretty sure if people I'd fallen out with, I'd bumped into them and they said, look, there's this big thing happening and we just needed as many people as possible for the animals, you would drop those kind of disagreements um or past arguments, et cetera. If someone said, this is really important, we've got to do this thing because we've got to save this animal or something like that or go and rescue this. You do it. And that I think that shows the commitment of those people oh is always what's going to be the over over and underlying thing, if you like, really. So, yeah, don't know. I've probably gone off on a bit of a tangent there, but that's kind of my my yeah my initial pitch.
00:06:22
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Yeah, no, that that was very vivid, Paul. I can i can imagine lots of the things you're talking about there. So, Julie, if Paul is representing the vegan equivalent of the People's Front of Judea, then you're in charge of the Judean People's Front. What what would your feeling be if you're at the the head of a group of vegans and charged with organising them?
00:06:42
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ah Does that feel at all possible? I think it does, with the caveat, and here I am, I'm going to get picky again, but this is again because of past experiences, if they are in fact, a group of vegans.
00:06:59
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So... Organising any group of human beings has its challenges. There's no two ways about it because of personality types and people's different motivations for wanting to be part of a group and all the rest of it. So there's there's always going to be that going on. So that would give you a bit of an edge of nerves a little bit.
00:07:18
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But when it comes to specifically organising a group of vegans, if everybody I was organising was actually vegan it would make things a lot easier but my experience has been that the people who identify as vegan and the people who I would consider vegan can be two very different things.
00:07:44
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And also, the people who would sign up to be part of a group of vegans sometimes can be non-vegans themselves. Vegan curious people or aspiring or baby stepping or...
00:08:01
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just bored and lonely people or whatever. So I think it depends on your starting point and I loved Paul's last point about putting aside personal things.
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If you were all just going to be there for a cause that you're absolutely just focused on the greatest good for the animals and you're putting all your own personal things reservations and histories and all that to one side but it's just quite hard to find human beings who are capable of doing that and that's been my experience that any so-called vegan group of people has always in my experience without exception included people who are just not there and I was going to say yet but that don't even seem like they're just ever going to get there because they think they are when they're not and so that would be my reservation is genuine vegans I'm there I'll organize
Activism Inspiration from Local Events
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them that's great
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To do some good for the animals, brilliant. But if they're, yeah, if it's not that, it's going to be tricky. Yeah, it definitely adds another layer of things, doesn't it? I think for from my own point of view, I've i've been really inspired and still am.
00:09:24
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um I mean, the day that we're recording, there's ah a group that I occasionally invite. help out with locally and today there's a group of them attending the infamous dog show at Crufts and they are handing out literature at the nearby train station trying to persuade people not to go and to inform them of actually their inherent cruelty in a lot of selective breeding and and the things that go on at things like Crufts and it's been fantastic you know ah while I've been sat here editing podcasts I've been seeing their messages come through on the WhatsApp group and they're saying, yeah, I'm in position. Oh, so-and-so needs a hand here. Like goodness, what an inspiring thing that people choose to give their free time and energy to that, to you know to try and make a marginal gain for animals in in the long run. What a brilliant thing to do. And there have been countless examples of that in in life. And so I kind of feel like, well, if even if it's difficult, even at times, like you want to crack your head ah against a wall for a bit of light relief, then it's it's worth it.
00:10:25
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I have a reservation. which is that I think many of the many of us as vegans in 2026, we approach our veganism like a boycott.
00:10:39
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We're boycotting things. We're opting out ah of the dominant culture, the you know received wisdom of what is a normal thing to do in society. And I mean, I agree with that. i'm not questioning that. I think that is how I approach much of the lifestyle myself.
00:10:57
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I do think that can lead to a tendency that when there is rub, like Paul was describing, that folk can be quicker than many others ah to just say, well, I'm walking away
Vegan Mindsets and Conflict Resolution
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then. And that's fine. Like if you want to walk away from something, because you have to, you need to,
00:11:17
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fine, I'm not going to say that people should be manacled to a group that they don't want to be part of. um But I wonder whether sometimes folk could put their differences to one side briefly to try and engage in ah in a dialogue or just say, well,
00:11:35
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I'll give this a bit more time or what have you. I've, I've experienced many times where people have just said, right, that's me. I'm out. I'm out. I can't deal with this anymore. And I sort of thought, Oh, that's a, that's a shame. Cause I would have thought we could talk about it, but you know, maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, uh,
00:11:52
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Maybe people really were at their wits end. um But I wonder whether, I'm repeating myself here, but I ah wonder whether because that's what we've done with our lifestyle choice choices, you know, you you see what happens in animal ag and you say, no, I'm having no part to do with that.
00:12:08
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whether that leads to ah an abolitionist approach to to everything, to community social interactions. I don't know. It felt like, Paul, you you've turned your microphone on ready to say something. I was about to ask you a but jump in, please do.
00:12:23
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Yeah, no, it just to say i like I was just going back to sort of some of the some of the yeah ah situations I had. So I also used to more actively run the local group as well as ah as an active group. We're more of an ah internet Facebook presence now. But going back a few years ago, we were a bit more active doing talks, etc. But even... um you know, in that group and other groups I've seen. It was a bit more like a work situation where you'd have other people not wanting to be there if other people were there because they said something about this person here. And that's not sort of a vegan thing. That's just managing people in their personal kind of...
00:12:59
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interactions with each other, not even with you maybe. I'm sure I piss people off as well. But, you know, it's kind of just like, I'm not going if he's going and this person said that and that. And you're just like, right, fine, okay. It's okay. Just kind of, well, I would go, go but what about the animals then? That's what we're here for, right? Yeah. it's kind of yeah yeah what What's interesting, i'm I'm part of a group that does Morris dancing in quite a remote rural town in...
00:13:28
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And what's interesting about that group is that there are ah people dancing together who've had affairs with each other's wives and and husbands. Is that a Morris dancing thing? or ah not Not intrinsically, but seemingly...
00:13:44
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Yeah, yeah. The stats might bear out that there is a correlation. But you've you've got people who are just getting on in a way that is is really quite striking. And you think, oh, blimey, goodness me, I would have thought a lot of you would have just said, well, no, that's too much for me or i've I've had enough. And I'm sure some people have. But I think, interestingly, because it's such a rural place. I'm probably going to bleep out the place that I said, actually, because that's really quite specific and the implicating people who might not want that information shared. But the the fact that it's a really rural place and people tend not to move around, I think people just get on with it and they're just like, well, this is where I live. This is what I want to do. So there we are. And i I just wonder whether we could have
00:14:32
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We could afford to have a bit more of that in the vegan movement, like you said, Paul, for the sake of the animals that we're supposed to be advocating for, putting differences aside. I don't know, but maybe that's something we could do a bit better.
00:14:45
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I think those kind of differences, absolutely. But where the difference is somebody's attitude to animal rights, that's what I find hard to stomach. and Of course. And having to listen to someone justifying animal abuse, you know, the people who are...
00:15:04
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vegan vegan vegan and then on one particular topic like medical research or something like that they're just suddenly oh no but oh but we need to oh we need to test everything on animals of course we do you know that oh no yeah I wonder what would help that then Julie like would it would it be the case of like could could we argue it would be a lot easier to coordinate vegans if ourselves as vegans we've we've been framing things in thus far in quite an objective way like we're talking about us coordinating ourselves aren't we would more clarity at the outset of ah of a campaign or a group be be better so so actually saying these are the aims of this campaign or this group or this action these things are okay and these aren't what might that help the organizing and and coordinating be be done more effectively
00:15:56
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it his History would suggest that it's not a fail-safe approach and because you'll probably, as a fellow vegan runner, know that over the years there have been some valiant attempts to put on the Vegan Runner's web website about medical charities testing on animals and not running for them and raising funds or sponsoring animals. friends who are running for certain charities and you still see them popping up on Facebook quite regularly running for Cancer Research, British Heart Foundation, all of those things. So I don't know, you know, you can't necessarily get everybody that way. I don't know that that necessarily means that it's not working. I think that's just like, Paul, you've spoken to the fact, well, you know, human nature is such that there's always going to be X, Y and Z. But I wonder whether that clarity nonetheless helps you navigate those situations and just say, no, no, come on, we we agreed this was going to be the case. It's written there. That's enough of that.
00:17:01
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Yeah, I think so. It's kind of a terms of reference type thing. And I go back to, I've talked about it this before, I know, but when I was organising and vegan fairs, not so much in our own group, but kind of the storeholders, you assumed, and I think we learned a lesson from this, that everyone would come into a vegan fair would be vegan. That was the wrong this assumption. And then that they would all naturally promote a vegan message. And then you overhear a storeholder saying, oh, well, you know, it's a little bit extreme, no veganism, isn't it? And you think, whoa, hang a second. So like you say, we had to change our thing to say, this is the thing you are expected to. And if you don't aren't willing to subscribe to that, then this is probably isn't the event for you sort of thing. um so yeah I think it is important to kind of set that out and you don't want to make it a kind of like rigid entry criteria because then you get into that position where people who are already worried maybe about doing outreach and kind of join and say well I'd like to have a go but I'm you know I know if I'm going to be very good in front of people and you really want to go have a go you know just say your thing and we'll you know just speak your truth and and everyone's got something slightly different to say and expertise so give it a go. So you don't want to make it elitist, but you do want to um take out damaging and disruptive factors, I guess, of of ah campaign or an aim. Is there an argument that actually we don't need to be able to be well-coordinated as vegans and and animal advocates in that we're not a
The Role of Activism in Veganism
00:18:28
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centralised movement? it's It's not a hierarchical movement where there is direction coming from one place and it's and it's filtered down. it It is, in a sense, a bit anarchic in that it's just... a group of people trying to do their best in the ways that they see best. And and i mean, we could argue that some of those things can work against one another. You know, some people saying, no, that's that's the wrong approach to take, or you're undermining our message there, or you're squashing feminism in the way that you're advocating for for animals. So there are downsides, but could we argue that thus far, the vegan movement has made a lot of progress in the last, let's say 20 years, despite not being a coordinated movement?
00:19:15
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Are we placing too much emphasis on that here? No, I think we need both. We need everything we've got. So we do need charities and animal rights organisations that find the issues that we can support and and get people organised around getting petitions signed and getting the numbers up because it is a numbers game. We're trying to influence parliaments and policies and things like that and raise awareness. So you do need numbers for these kinds of things.
00:19:49
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But alongside that, you need the individuals who just see an opportunity and can... in some cases, change somebody's mind for the rest of their life with just one conversation. So we need it all. But, you know, we we need those individual conversations to then...
00:20:12
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be backed up by organisations that we can say, well, if you want to find out more about this, here's where somebody's gathered lots of really useful information. And then the other way round, you might need, once somebody stumbles upon something online, they might need a one-to-one chat with somebody to make sense of it and to figure out how they...
00:20:34
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apply what they've learned from reading that website content or whatever how they could apply it to their own life so I think you need a mixture definitely Yeah, I'd agree with what Judith has said. We talked about social change and social change. Successful social change in the past has been a combination of perhaps quite strong individuals doing their own thing and groups and maybe quite anarchic groups, and maybe quite organised groups. I think all of them are valid and and bring together a package of driving change for a particular movement. i mean, you think about... something like maybe like the ALF and a lot of animal organisations along those lines. They've always operated in a very um flat structure and individuals and very ah anarchic and and but been, you know,
00:21:20
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arguably very successful in their time. But, you know, you see now perhaps, I i think maybe you see more change now through organized groups and in in in in the main. So it's about applying the right thing to the right situation, isn't it, I think, really. So I think there's still a place for that slightly anarchic. And I think, you know, you think about it, the ALF and other groups like that protect themselves by being very flat structured and kind of individual because from a from a um from a getting ah getting in caught, should we say for want of a better phrase? It's quite quite good to be operating separately, isn't it? ah In that sort of independent manner.
00:21:59
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and But yeah, not that I would condone that necessarily, but that is a way that you could do it. If one chose to, one could organise their organisation in that way to avoid anything that ah yeah could be could be interpreting laws differently. I mean, i i would say something that I've fallen foul of myself, and I've i've seen it in others too, would be...
00:22:22
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to place such a high imperative on the needs of animal rights and the vegan cause and the the the need to follow instruction or to, you know, do whatever action that is going on, that that it's...
00:22:39
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coming at the expense of things that shouldn't be placed ah on on ah on a lower tier, if that makes sense. that The phrase, um you know, at all costs, we must do blah blah blah,
Principles of Effective Organization
00:22:52
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blah, blah. And I think that's quite an alienating message for many. And you can, if you say, oh we must do x y Z at all costs,
00:23:03
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you'd be surprised at what things can be lost, actually. um And i i I say that from personal experience and and just seeing other other folk do things. i saw, i won't name the organisation actually, but it wasn't a wasn't it explicitly vegan organisation, but they were doing a very effective, I would say, public action that was getting a lot of media attention. And then one of the young, keen organisers was yelling at another one who was expressing doubts I don't know whether we should be doing this. I don't know if I feel comfortable. And the the first person was was yelling at them saying, no, come on, we've we've been planning this for months. we've got it We've got to do it now. And I think that that's ah a dangerous and understandable pitfall that we can come up against. And of course, we're advocating on behalf of billions of
00:23:53
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innocent sentient beings who were in a state of emergency so I completely forgive anyone for for falling into that trap as like I say as I've done my so done so myself but I think that's something to to bear in mind I i hope that feels relevant I don't think I've crowbarred that just for the sake of it I wonder if to finish off we could give some just real quick personal opinions in terms of some do's and don'ts in in terms of organising a group of vegans effectively, things to avoid and things maybe be to prioritise.
00:24:31
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Well, one thing, I always remember one of my first vegan girlfriends who got me to be to be vegan, when I asked her about ah meeting up with other vegans, she went, oh, hate bloody vegans. so it's kind of So one thing is to avoid vegans, that's probably not a very good way doing it. But yeah, I think it's beat be be aware that you know there are individual personalities and that doesn't change in any situation in life. But maybe like you said, maybe there there is ah almost perhaps a little bit more...
00:24:59
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uh sensitivity there so it's understanding what makes people tick a little bit isn't it and how to work that if you if you're the organizer if you're part of the big group being organized same thing applies really perhaps raising concerns um earlier on and not that last minute like that example you gave there because some things do take a lot of planning in and a lot of like Things have to happen at a certain time and following a certain way to get to a certain goal.
00:25:22
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And it's been it's a bit like a military operation, isn't it? And if everyone's got a job to do and if they change their mind at the last minute, that is a problem. I mean, you can get in situations where you've agreed to do something and you come to do that something. It doesn't feel right. So I get that. But generally, you should be able to speak up earlier than that and say, I'm not sure that's the right way of doing it. And I know you might get a hundred different ways of doing something suggested by vegans sometimes, but that's what you've got to work your way through and and agree as best you can.
00:25:49
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I don't think the principles of organising vegans would differ hugely from just good practice when it comes to managing any group of people, really. So I'm not going to give everyone a lecture on managing people. But I suppose if you wanted to then speculate what would the unique issues be when the group of people happen to be a group of people who identify as vegan and you are taking on a cause that is as difficult feeling as animal rights because it's going against the tide of, you know, normal public kind of behaviour and opinion, I suppose is just to be aware that that's the case, that be ready for the curveball people.
00:26:41
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who's who identify as vegan who are not and who might be aspirational or just stuck for something to do that day but also I think be ready for the emotional impact of the work that you're going to undertake And the information that you're going to be exposed to and other people will be at the same time. So, you know, if it's upsetting to watch footage from hunt SABS or from an undercover investigation of a factory farm or ah ah any kind of animal ag...
00:27:17
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When you're in a room of people, just say you were doing that, you know, that's really going to ramp up the emotion as well. So just to kind of own the fact that it's an emotionally difficult subject, animal rights, and everybody should support each other and to to create an environment where that is encouraged from the get go.
00:27:41
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No, that that sounds very sensible. I think um from my point of view, I think if you're somebody in in a position where you're doing some of the organising, making as few assumptions as you can, Julie, you've spoken about ah the assumption you might make that that everybody is is coming from the same place ideologically, but I think there are other assumptions that that we can just fall into. So I think that the more clarity at the outset, you can...
00:28:10
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provide and and allow for as well allowing other people to to bring their their important boundaries and and clarity at the outset is just a general good rule of thumb for for working together with folk and again it's not a it's not really a ah vegan specific point but if you're somebody who is not the organizer um but just a appreciating how much that organizer or those organizers are holding the the group that i help out with very occasionally in wolverhampton um who protest outside a greyhound track i do always try to be extra extra nice to the the person who's organizing it all because you can see just how much work they're putting in behind the scenes that doesn't mean that people should have carte blanche to do to do anything. There are some, as in the rest of society, there are horrible stories of people ah abusing their power and abusing their position, which seems to be a ah ah human thing to fall in the trap of doing. So I'm not trying to where vilify people there, but yeah, there' it there's a balance, isn't there? But showing your gratitude to people who are setting things up, I think is a nice little ecosystem, isn't it?
00:29:21
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Right, I think we're at the end of our discussion for now. We're very, very grateful for all
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And that will be covering the roundup of the usual vegan and animal rights news. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Paul and Anthony, for all of your contributions. Thanks again, everyone, for listening. I've been Julie and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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And sometimes if you're lucky at the end of an episode, you'll hear a poem by Mr. Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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