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Do not adjusdt your sets. That is indeed a viral tiktok trend (or at least was; we know how quickly these things move along!) Shane & Ant get stuck into this and discuss veganism as a perfectionist pursuit
We refer to this article as a starting point, if you're new to 'Vegan plus Bacon' as a meme: https://www.mamamia.com.au/vegan-plus-bacon-goals-theory/
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Teaser
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everyone. Did you know you can be vegan and eat bacon now? And I'm not talking about plant-based bacon. Oh no, no, no, no. Anyway, for more details, you're going to need to carry on listening to me, Anthony, and my good pal Shane.
00:00:16
Speaker
We are here for this episode. This is Vegan Talk. So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrr! Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere.
00:00:30
Speaker
We're not doing that in the state of Florida. Should I call the medium and say, hi, sorry? True education. younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are.
00:00:41
Speaker
That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems or things. What is this? What kind of movie is this? It's comedy gold, maybe. Any form of social interaction.
00:00:54
Speaker
As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:03
Speaker
I cannot fly around the city. I don't have
Purpose of the Show and TikTok Theory Teaser
00:01:06
Speaker
laser vision. Hey everyone, this is Shane. Welcome and thank you for listening to this episode of Vegan Talk. Indeed, my name is Anthony, just for repetition's sake, in case you forgot it during that jingle. um Vegan Talk is our Thursday show, although I suppose if you're listening in certain parts of the world, you might only get access to it on a Friday. Who knows? We've been doing these shows for a couple of years now, and that the remit of them is that we'll take one particular topic and drill down
00:01:36
Speaker
on it. um If you listen to our Monday show, our vegan week show, that's where we're looking at the news and we'll cover lots of things in the spate of those shows, but these are a bit more timeless. And as such, if you're new to us or you've joined us in the last year or so, you can go back and listen to the old ones. And even if you've already listened to the old ones, sometimes listening to them again, yield something new. It certainly does for me. Maybe that's just my memory, but they're all in your podcast feed. So head back to there when you've got a loose moment and I'm sure you'll find something there of value.
Exploration of the Vegan + Bacon Theory
00:02:11
Speaker
Today, we are here to discuss the vegan plus bacon theory that's sweeping TikTok. And now it's sweeping my algorithm on TikTok. So, you know, thanks so much for that. You want to tell us a little bit about what this is? I'm just curious before we start, was this something that you'd come across before um I sent it in your direction in preparation for today? No, my algorithm is basically like Taylor Swift, historical romance, traders, and what I eat in a day. what what if I'm a vegan, here's what I eat in a day kind of stuff. So now I've got the vegan plus bacon people too.
00:02:48
Speaker
Excellent. Well, you know, got to keep these things balanced, haven't we? yeah So we've put a link in the show notes for folks who want like a reference point for this. It's an article from a website called mamamia.com.au. So it is from Down Under in Australia. So we'll use this as our reference point. But as Shane said, and this has been particularly popularized on TikTok at the moment, though I've Yeah, i've I've seen it sort of regurgitated in different news sites and and things like that. So I think it's not completely TikTok specific. So this was written by Lucy Ballenden just a few days ago, as we record in February, though.
00:03:31
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Obviously, you folks are listening in March now, or maybe in the distant future, who knows? ah She says, I always put way too much pressure on myself. Then I discovered the vegan plus bacon theory. Now, it's worth saying this doesn't just apply to veganism. I think it... This works really well as a, was going to call it a soundbite, but um I guess a keywords SEO thing in that vegan tends to, you know, flash things and set alarms off on people's algorithms, I guess, because people comment on stuff that's got veganism on, don't know whether they're vegan or not. But the fact that vegan and bacon are so not synonymous with one another, they're they're opposites, aren't they? You know, they're opposite ends of the spectrum culturally. So this author is writing that, you know, every 31st of December, they come up with these goals, eat healthier, exercise more, blah, blah, blah. And then a few days into the new year, they realize, well, I've not done any of these things.
00:04:29
Speaker
And Basically, it's it's too much to expect yourself to to achieve this big lofty goal. And I think that's a, ah I won't say a universal fact of life, but I think most people would say, oh yeah, I don't stick to my New Year's resolutions and things.
00:04:47
Speaker
And of course, some people do. However, the vegan plus bacon theory, a creator at trail mix Liz, sound like an interesting character. They posted a TikTok that said, I'd go vegan, but bacon.
00:05:03
Speaker
So do it. Go vegan, but bacon. At the time of this article that had got over 2 million views, 300,000 likes. The comment section saying things like, sometimes I forget free will is a thing. People don't realize you make the rules. So basically the idea is, well, I like the theory of veganism. Or if if listeners, you'll find this a bit triggering because you're like, how dare animal rights be reduced to this ridiculous concept? I think of it as something else. I don't know.
00:05:36
Speaker
Atheism plus um I'll go to church at Christmas or, you know, whatever it is, you know, take an overarching concept and say, i i like that. I want to do that.
00:05:48
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but I can't subscribe to it wholeheartedly, not just because I'm lily-livered weak of will, but realistically, I live in a world where there are different pulls on my time, my attention, my consciousness or whatever. So I'm going to allow myself a predefined exception. Is that how you see it, Shane? is it Is it about... the exception being premeditated and you're stating I'm doing vegan plus bacon, or is that more of a metaphor and actually you're saying I'll do veganism, but I'll do it imperfectly. What's your take on it?
Impact and Integrity of Veganism
00:06:23
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I don't think that it that most of the people that are talking about this theory are talking about veganism really at all. No, of course. I think they're just saying vegan plus bacon because that's the most opposite thing that they can think of and it it will get attention.
00:06:41
Speaker
And I think the the actual idea is, like you're saying, you know, it's it's like sort of a way to motivate yourself by saying, because for sometimes I have like a big project that I need to work on and I don't really feel like starting it.
00:06:57
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But I'll say, oh, well, maybe I'll just do this much of it. And then once I get started working on it, I actually will end up doing a lot of it or finishing it. So I think it's a way to motivate yourself or to get started on something.
00:07:12
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But if we are looking at it from a vegan perspective, I think it is a way of like cutting through the excuses and saying, because people are always saying, oh, I can't go vegan. I like cheese too much or I would miss bacon. And so they're saying, well, okay, then fine. Then if that's just your excuse, then let's see you do it.
00:07:30
Speaker
if If somebody told me that, you know, i would I would say, oh, that's great. I think that's fabulous. do I mean, do I really think they're vegan if they're eating bacon? No.
00:07:41
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No, I mean, but I wouldn't tell them that. I would just try to think of all the things that they're not eating. They're not eating chickens. They're not eating cows. They're not eating milk. They're not eating eggs. I mean, I feel like doing something is better than doing nothing.
00:07:55
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Yeah, definitely. And in terms of outcomes for animals, like if it's a, if it's a net improvement, then that's, that's good. That's what we're, that's what we're wanting. Isn't it? I think if I, so you pose the scenario, like if someone said that to you, somebody said to me, I'm doing vegan, but bacon. I don't know if anyone in my life would phrase it exactly like that. And I'm not saying that's a better or worse thing. I'm not being like a language. I can 100% see people I know saying something like that to me.
00:08:28
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I've had people say things, oh, I'm vegan. And then they'll say, tell me something that they ate. And I'm like, that's not vegan. Are you sure? Yeah, yeah. So i I think if someone said, oh, I'm doing it, but I'm making this exception. Yeah.
00:08:42
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I think my 15 years of being vegan would raise a healthy skepticism around the fact that the parameters that they've just stated aren't actually exactly true. You know, if they're saying, oh, I make an exception for bacon, in my head, I'm translating that as, you probably make an exception for lots of things, which, okay, fine, we'll we'll you know we'll deal with that in a minute. I'm not personally offended that they're saying I'm doing vegan. like I know lots of folk who would who would say, well, you're not vegan.
00:09:20
Speaker
You're not vegan. like You shouldn't call yourself that. I'm not convinced that that does undermine the movement or the integrity of the word. But is that is that naive of me? Is that short-sighted? Because actually, if if loads of people do that...
00:09:37
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then it does start to change the definition, doesn't it? I mean, I heard, there's a I'm digressing slightly, there's a football podcast I listen to where they analyse the words that the commentators use. That's the whole remit of the podcast. It's called Football Clichés, and they look at the words that are used in commentary. And apparently, the word literally now doesn't mean literally. It can mean literally, but it can also just mean like to a large degree. So, you know, you might say, oh, the striker literally ghosted
Strategies for Vegan Movement Growth
00:10:11
Speaker
into the penalty area. That's obviously not literally true. They didn't turn into a ghost, but that's actually acceptable now as a turn of phrase, because literally doesn't have to mean literally. Now, I don't want that to happen to veganism. Do do you think there's a risk of that if if we start just saying, oh yeah, whatever, vegan plus bacon, fine, I'll let that pass?
00:10:32
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Yeah, I do think there's a risk of that. But let me argue for the other side. And that is that what is the point of being vegan? I mean, obviously, yes, we want we don't want to eat animals. We don't want to contribute animal suffering.
00:10:46
Speaker
But if you also want to grow the movement and you want to really affect to change, we have to think, how are we going to bring more people into the movement? So um this is a little bit of a strange example, but I was listening to Our Hen House yesterday.
00:11:04
Speaker
And um I was thinking about this article because I knew we were going to talk about it. And Marianne Sullivan brought up on our head house about a political podcast where they were talking about how the Republican Party has been so successful at growing its numbers in the United States.
00:11:22
Speaker
And then she was talking about Charlie Kirk, and he was a conservative activist who was assassinated recently. And he would go on college campuses and he would have like, prove me wrong debates with people. And on the podcast she was listening to, the the speaker was talking about how maybe a kid who was gay would come up to debate him. And they they Charlie Kirk would say, well, I don't agree with your philosophy. I don't agree with how you're living your life. But if we can just agree that the border should be closed, then you know then you can join the party. Then you can come in. And so it's the idea of a big tent kind of movement and inviting more people in. So I think it's not bad to talk about or think about how can we make veganism a bigger tent? Yeah.
00:12:10
Speaker
Is it vegan plus bacon? i mean, I don't know. What point is the tent too big and that it doesn't have the same core philosophy? But I think if we want to ever get past that 3% of people, we have to be open and not maybe so precious about what veganism is and what it means.
00:12:28
Speaker
I think, as you say, there is a risk that things could be watered down or we could lose the core essence. But yeah, a world where 3% of the world is vegan is is not the end game, is it? That's not what we're aiming for. And it's worth pointing out that the products in the supermarket, and of course, veganism is more than what the products in the supermarket are, but the products in the supermarket that we have greater access to nowadays as everyday vegans who are vegan every day, every meal, every minute, that's a lot easier because there are people who are flexitarian.
00:13:04
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Like those products are not there for us. There's no way there would be anywhere near the amount of plant-based, specifically designed products, of course, legumes and vegetables would still be there. Yes, yes, yes, I know.
00:13:18
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But, you know, if you want a choice of plant milks, if you want ready-made meals, if you want vegan cheese, if you want vegan meats in the freezer, if you want a vegan turkey crown at Christmas, that's there because of flexitarians.
00:13:31
Speaker
Like, um I'm sorry, vegans, it's not there because of us. So actually, if if the person who's vegan plus bacon, maybe if we take that literally, they're not, you know, they're not buying vegan pork products, but they're buying vegan chicken products. They're buying vegan cheese that, you know, so that it does make it easier. It does make it more. acceptable, does it? Doesn't it? i'm I'm wondering, Shane, do you think there would be certain things that if someone said, oh, I'm vegan, but dot, dot, dot, you'd just be like, nah, that's that's not okay. That exception is not okay. I'm trying to think of of where i've I've heard people say that. I mean, backyard eggs is one that I'd say I've i've met folk who identify as vegan, but they do have rescue chickens and they will eat their eggs. Yeah.
00:14:20
Speaker
um but Yeah, i would that wouldn't be the line for me, for sure. I mean, bacon is a pretty big line, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is why it works as a viral trend, doesn't it? Because it's so stark. Maybe if they said, I'm vegan, but I own a chicken slaughterhouse, then I think, i mean, that would... out Then I guess I would say, well, you're plant-based, you're not vegan. Well, it's it's interesting because i like when when I was working...
00:14:49
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in in business, you know, ah ah in in a world where I was closely working with with other small startup business owners, you would come across people who were vegan in their lifestyles, but their business, they'd opted not to be 100% vegan. And for me, like I found that... I'm not being the vegan police here. I'm just talking about my own personal response. I found that far more egregious than someone who said, oh yeah, from time to time, I do have a bit of cheese or what have you, because that's just you.
Personal Compromises and Social Challenges
00:15:22
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That's just affecting you and the animal that that you've exploited. Whereas if you're making a needless choice for your business to not be, like you don't have to have that business. You know, I found that really baffling, but I i don't know that there's,
00:15:38
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I mean, listeners, message in, see if you can find a ah vegan butt dot dot dot that I do say, no, that's absolutely not acceptable. I won't over vote tolerate that. But like, I just feel like everybody has different context to their lives. And I imagine your I'm vegan, but the thing that comes at the end of but the the suffix of that, there's going to be a reason for that.
00:16:03
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So, I mean, but for example, that the closest I get to this, i I think, I mean, the amount I drive, I'm i'm conscious ah of. i've I've not knowingly ended an animal's life through my driving for at least 10 years. Like that there was a time when i a bird ran into the road and i I literally couldn't get out of the way and it was it was very upsetting. But I'm aware that my the amount I drive is is not a great environmental and arguably for the animals. choice. But the the most obvious example, so i I do Morris dancing and the team that I dance with has been going for over 50 years and part of their kit is we wear top hats,
00:16:45
Speaker
and tucked into the top hats are feathers. And i i find feathers on the floor um and and I'll pick them up and they're the ones I put in my hat. Some of the people I dance with will go to a butcher's and say, have you got any you know such and such feathers that I put into my hat? I'm not doing that. I'm not buying them.
00:17:07
Speaker
I, you know, I'll pick them up off the floor. In an ideal world, i I wouldn't do that. So I suppose for me, my butt is I'm vegan, but I do. Put a feather in your hat. Yeah. A dozen times a year, I will dance in public with...
00:17:22
Speaker
an animal part in my hat and I don't have to do that I don't have to do that I could decide I'm not going to do that in my life I'm i'm going to eschew Morris dancing and do something else it's been pointed out to me I could try and persuade the the team to to change its outfit I'm saying now this is a group of people who are not open to change ah you know I would just not be doing it Am I making excuses, I wonder? I don't know. like if Everyone's got a vegan butt somewhere, you know even if it's to a degree, I think. No, I don't think you're making excuses because let's look at why people don't stay vegan, right? Because a lot of the times they can't fit in socially or they feel like they they don't belong and conformity and all of that is such an important feeling. so
00:18:15
Speaker
Why are we making it harder for people by saying, oh, um well, now if you have a ah discarded bird feather in in your hat, then okay, then you're not vegan. I mean, we have to live in the world. this is We are living in a carnist world and we have to find a way to survive in that and and then have some happiness and some joy. And that means that we're not going to be perfect. Nobody is perfect. I mean, even you're eating you know a salad for dinner.
00:18:43
Speaker
Well, probably some mice were killed in the harvesting of that, that lettuce and those cucumbers or whatever. So nobody's going to be perfect, but we're all just doing the best that we can. That that we we are, I'm going to change my tone slightly here, that when I read this article, I was like, ah, do you know what? There's a difference between what you feel you have to do and what you just can't really be asked to do, isn't there?
00:19:10
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you know i mean? Like, like it it, It's possible to reduce things to a stage where like if you say, oh, I need this, I need this chocolate bar, I need this cheddar cheese, then no one's allowed to question that. I i think that would be a shame if if we if we can't just ask somebody a question like...
00:19:32
Speaker
do you definitely have to have that? Do you have to do vegan plus cheese plus bacon plus eggs plus, do know what mean? like it's, I was, don't know about you, Shane, but like I'm tremendously happy being vegan and being vegan all the time. Listeners, you you can decide whether I'm vegan all the time if occasionally I go outside and and have a discarded feather in my hat. But I think I'm vegan all the time.
00:20:01
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and And have been for 15 years. And like, that's a tremendously satisfying, happy, if it feels feel was good to live life in that way.
00:20:12
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And I think we do have to advocate for that possibility for people, just because it might make life better for themselves. Like if they're selfishly motivated, it might feel better, mightn't it?
00:20:23
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And what if this going vegan plus bacon leads to them actually going fully vegan? Because maybe they're not going vegan because they think, oh, it's just too hard. I'll miss bacon. But if they go vegan plus bacon, they realize, oh, it's not actually that hard. I don't you know miss this or that too much. And then maybe they would eventually be okay with phasing out bacon too.
Complexities of Vegan Identity
00:20:48
Speaker
So it could be something that could turn into real veganism as well. I think somebody who's doing vegan plus bacon and drifts to then being vegan plus bacon plus eggs to then vegan plus bacon plus eggs plus dairy, milk, chocolate, or what have you, they were always going to make that slip back at some point in some way.
00:21:13
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And I'm not saying that that's it for them and they'll never be able to have another crack at the whip. But I don't really see what's the point of arguing the toss over that, other than to protect the integrity of the phrase. And there's a difference between protecting the phrase and protecting the movement, though, isn't there? I think if we're saying you're not you're not allowed under the tent...
00:21:35
Speaker
to um to use your analogy, Shane. I don't know, it comes down to semantics, doesn't it? But like to say you, it almost feels like we're saying you can't you can't stand anywhere near me in this metaphorical tent. Whereas actually that there might be lots that we share with people. it It feels particularly in the world politically, like we should be seeking to find things that we have in common rather than putting up walls or excluding people.
00:22:02
Speaker
Right, and saying, oh, do you are you willing to fight for this change or vote for this change? or agree with me on animals shouldn't be kept in factory farms or something like that, then then you can, that's how you're gonna grow the movement. And if people aren't perfectly vegan, if maybe they're just vegetarian, or if they're vegan plus bacon, then, or which are they're plant-based as what, you know, if they are that, then maybe we can find some common ground with them. And that's how we grow the movement.
00:22:34
Speaker
But I do think, yeah, if you are saying I'm vegan plus bacon, but then the next week you're vegan plus bacon plus cheese, then you're then then you're then you're just like everybody else. You're not you know really vegan. But again, is is that our place to say to them?
00:22:50
Speaker
Oh, hey, you're not actually vegan. No, this is why people hate vegans because we we want to go and tell, oh no, you're not this and that. you know We can make that let people make their own rules. And you know but if if their heart is in the right place, then I think that we can invite them in. you know This isn't ah something where we need to gatekeep and say, oh, no, no, you don't pass the test. If if they want to do the right thing, I mean, of course, we can wish that they would be truly vegan, but we can't make them be that. And if they're doing something, they're doing more than 97% other people are. Yeah. And and and and as as well as wishing, like we can advocate for for that even closer to the dictionary definition of of veganism,
Vegan Philosophy vs. Practice - New Term Needed?
00:23:38
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can't we? like there There are folk on this show that part of why I love listening to them is because I feel like they are closer to the ideals of veganism.
00:23:48
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pure animal rights in their lifestyle than I am. You know, and i don't think I'm a million miles off, but that that there are things wearing discarded feathers in my hat where, yeah, I'm i'm further away from that ideal. And so I i like hearing...
00:24:03
Speaker
examples of people that managed to do it even better than me. Cause yeah, I'd, I'd like to be, you know, even better at these things. Serious question to to finish things off. Do we need another word? Because actually what we're talking about here is there is veganism. the idea the idea that,
00:24:24
Speaker
unless it's physically impossible, you avoid using animals towards your own life, whether that's ah a product or or coming into contact with them or or testing on them or eating them on the earth. It's not just a diet, it's a philosophy. It's a way of living.
00:24:42
Speaker
Yeah. So that's like an ideal, right? That's a concept, a philosophical concept. But then we've got folk that are trying to, or want to, or are somewhere on an intentional journey, even just for part of the time, where they're wanting to make conscientious, intentional choices that are done for the benefit of others and or the environment. And At the moment, we have the same word for both of those things.
00:25:15
Speaker
And I wonder whether that that gets in the way. We've got the distinction of plant-based, which just focuses on one's eating habits, but that's that's not completely covering it, is it? I wonder whether we need a like an adjective to describe people who were, who were on this journey. And in a way, I think that all of us are on that journey. Cause I don't know how you live in the 21st century in a way where you are
00:25:47
Speaker
100% perfectly living up to that philosophical ideal. Because arguably, if you're just being a hermit living in a cave, not treading on any beetles or whatever, you're not doing a great job of advocating for animals, are you? Which I would say is an important part of that compassionate journey.
00:26:02
Speaker
Like, do do we just need another word? I mean, maybe we do because i if people are advocating for animals, then environmentalist doesn't really cover it. And plant-based is, like you said, more of a diet.
00:26:14
Speaker
So maybe it's like vegan adjacent or you know something like that. Needs to be snappy. This is my critique. Yeah, there's not that. We'll know my critique of the kind of zero waste movement or the kind of waste reducing movement. is There's not a word. like that when they came When Donald Watson and his gang came up with the word vegan, that's brilliant. Two syllables, five letters, bam. like It's got to be short.
00:26:41
Speaker
well um let's some Let's hive mind this. Listeners, get in touch. Yeah. What should the new word be? Shane, I've enjoyed this conversation. Do you want to tell folk about all the different ways they can get in touch with
Engagement and Promotion Strategies
00:26:55
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00:27:30
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00:28:04
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Conclusion and Listener Reactions
00:28:40
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one.
00:28:40
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Thanks for that conversation, Shane. That is a conversation topic. I think when starting the podcast three years ago, i didn't think we were going to be talking about vegan plus bacon, but I think that was ah that was a value that yeah went in place that I wasn't expecting. i was surprised I didn't hate it. I hate the concept. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And ah if the whole world became vegan plus bacon, I guess it'd be um an awful word world for pigs, but actually a lot of animals would would be in a better a better situation, wouldn't they?
00:29:10
Speaker
It's interesting food for thought. I bet there are going to be listeners who have different opinions. I have a feeling. I bet Julie would have a lot to say about this. Absolutely. And we we welcome that. Goodness me, there can only be so many of us on each show. So, you know, we we're never going to cover the full vista on each show. So hearing your opinions is really important. When is the next episode coming out, Shane?
Preview of Next Episode and Listener Gratitude
00:29:34
Speaker
The next Enough of the Falafel episode is coming out Monday, and it will be me, Antony, and Julie. This is a special episode of Vegan Week where we talk about news sources, and what we like about vegan news sites, what we don't like, what our favorites are. i learned a lot recording this episode, so tune in.
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Yeah, indeed. i I can't remember because we did record this one a little while ago. i can't remember whether I said my opinions on plant-based news. So I'll be interested to listen to that in a few days time to see whether i did give away my... yeah personal opinion on that well-known site. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you again, Shane, for all you are doing for the falafel gang and for this episode in particular. Thank you everyone for listening. We know you're out there and we love that you're out there. It's fantastic having you with us. I've been Anthony.
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