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269- Are the UK turning towards plant-based innovations?
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Loook what they were talking about in parliament back in March: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2026-03-19/debates/CAFE1303-3A79-4EDD-847B-B66FF4C6A039/GoodFoodCycleStrategy Is the future plant-based and precisely fermented? Will people be resistant? And do we need to spend millions of pounds for a new research centre in Leeds...pulses do already exist of course! Mark, Julie & Ant discuss these latest rumblings and share their opinions on this sort of development.
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Introduction and Episode Theme
00:00:00
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Hello everybody! Now, is the UK government starting to champion plant-based proteins? Well, we'll find out. I'm Anthony and for this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Julie and Mark.
00:00:18
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for! Brrrr! Brody! Take your flour-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
00:00:31
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Should I call the medium and say, hi, sorry? True education. younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things.
00:00:42
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What this? What kind of movie is this? It's comedy gold, maybe. Any form of social injustice has... a connection with another. As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright.
00:00:55
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Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:01
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cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hey everybody, Anthony here just in case you forgot in the last few seconds whilst that delicious jingle was playing. Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. We are delighted that you're here with us and we hope you enjoy the show. Hello everybody, Julie here. This is Vegan Talk. It's our show where we go into one particular topic in a bit more detail.
00:01:28
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and we've got lots of previous episodes for you to have a look at. If you have a wee look in your podcast feed, you'll see that there have been lots of chats that you can choose from to listen to there.
UK Government and Plant-Based Proteins
00:01:42
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Hi everyone, this is Mark and we're here today to discuss the United Kingdom government's good food cycle strategy and its recognition of non-animal sources of protein and milk going forward.
00:01:55
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Are we witnessing the British answer to the Danish Green Tripartite Initiative and the beginning of the end of Big Meat and Milk? oh Oh, I do hope so. I do hope so there's a There's an optimistic thought. So yeah, this is as we record, we we record our vegan talk shows about a month before they come out, listeners. So it's the end of March when we're recording today, though you're listening obviously April or beyond, depending on how ah far in the future you are. um And this week, in fact, the UK's Food Security Minister has confirmed that alternative proteins represent a major opportunity in the upcoming national food strategy with a promise to accelerate novel food approvals. So according to Dame Angela Eagle, who is the aforementioned Minister for Food Security and Rural Affairs, the government's good food cycle strategy sees alternative proteins as a major opportunity, and not just for the economy, but for health, sustainability and food resilience.
00:03:05
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So as Mark says, this potentially... could be the catalyst for a whole wave of vegan-friendly or plant-based policies, directives, things like that in the UK, which we have seen done more stridently, I think we could argue, in other countries, particularly in Europe.
00:03:27
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So let's let's get Mark and Julie's initial thoughts on this in terms of what could this be a turning point or is it, you know, government hot air? um And then we'll dive into it a bit more deeply and perhaps pick out a few more details. Mark, are you happy to get the ball rolling here? did Does this fill you with optimism? are you are Are you a long in the tooth vegan that's going, ah, you can't trust the government? Yeah.
00:03:53
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i'm I'm quite impressed by their their recognition of the state we're in ah Obviously, this is this this is all to do with the future of ah human society. there There isn't really any mention or or care of animals in this. But i've I've long been of the view that the issue of animal rights and or or sort of perception of the world around us is going to be guided. I'm talking about the human population generally here. It's good it's going to be forced by threats that ah against humans themselves rather than any sort of concern for animals so when we finally realize that our backs are to the wall because of the system that we have inherited and continue to propagate when when we realize that system is actually working against us and it's easier to change than it is to stay the same then we will see the change so as much as ah i'm an our believer in in animal rights and i think everyone else should be, I understand after decades of being involved in this movement that only a certain small amount of the human population are going to be driven by these same concerns.
00:05:00
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What will bring, what will drag the rest along towards my position is when they perceive their own lives under threat, not other animals' lives being under threat. uh unfortunately this uh scene this scene this seems to be the case and even then a whole seven a whole segment of the of the population are still reluctant to do this even when they know that their lives and their children's lives are at stake they're so embedded culturally and psychologically in the present system that they find it almost impossible to think outside the box so so even when their lives are are are being threatened themselves a lot of them find it really difficult to to add change so my my thoughts on this are finally at last it isn't anywhere near enough but it is going in in the right direction when i was writing my book on the history of the animal rights movement in ireland i sort of segmented the um the animal rights history into into different waves because us historians love to to discuss things in in in waves rather than in one long messy sort of continuum so i I see this as entering the the next wave, the next phase of the movement as a war when governments finally take up this cause ah for different reasons, but with similar outcomes.
Animal Rights Movement and Government Attention
00:06:14
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and So it's gone from being um a small social movement beginning in 1944. It's moved its way through society into industry and now is permeating into the upper echelons of ah power.
00:06:29
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They aren't just paying lip service. They aren't just trying to buy a few votes. They they seem to be genuinely realizing that with without immediate and radical change, then everything goes to shit, basically.
00:06:40
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and So it's good to see it happening. it' It'll be interesting to see the reaction of the animal agricultural lobby, because no doubt they will be against it. But I think if the government are serious about what they're doing, then they will be able to push it through regardless.
00:06:53
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Julie, as we record now, a consultation has gone out from the UK government about how the ban on trail hunting should be implemented.
00:07:05
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Even if we're sceptical about governments, do we have to acknowledge that actually putting things into policy or saying we're going to prioritise this, it can have a big impact, can't it? Can can you see this having a big impact or not?
00:07:20
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Oh, I can see you' having a big impact, but I don't know if it will have a big enough impact to make a difference for all of the animals that I would like to happen, that we would all as vegans like to see. I can certainly see mind-boggling amounts of investment going in already. The National or Alternative Protein Innovation Centre has... Nice snappy title.
00:07:49
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ah The University of Leeds, £30 million pounds invested from the public and private sector and £15 million from the government. Whether you like it or not, you know, I mean, your taxpayers' money is going into all of this. And I just think it never fails to amaze me how...
00:08:13
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complicated human beings are capable of making the simplest things. An alternative protein innovation centre. I just think it's sort of, when people start to get complicated about things, it's almost like, well, it's such a big deal to move away from consuming dead animals that we've got to invent this whole concept of alternative protein oh gosh you know there's this this absolutely necessary thing that we're getting dragged you know dragged away from and we have to invent something to replace this necessity and it's going to take lots of science and great big buildings at universities and lots of and consultations and experimentation and you know
00:09:03
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All the rest of it. No, it'll have to be safety tested. all Oh, everything regulated. All that bump needs to happen. In my head, simple little head there is.
00:09:16
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In my head, I just go soak some lentils and boil them up. They've already been safety tested and you don't need to have a whole big part of a university to you know regulate them or manufacture them or anything. You just grow them. Yeah, I mean, that is where my mind went to as well, I have to say. And it's hard, isn't it? Because in a sense, you know, we we're not the target audience for these things, etc, etc.
00:09:45
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And we are people that have seen a status quo in the world, have decided that we are not comfortable living our lives in that same way. we've We've stepped away from it. And we have managed, we've thrived, we've found ways of doing things. And yeah, we haven't need a multi-million pound science block at the local university to make that happen. We just started eating more chickpeas or whatever. But it's it's indicative, isn't it, that that a government feels that it needs
Government Investments in Food Innovation
00:10:19
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to do this thing. I mean,
00:10:21
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We are in a ah ah free market capitalist society, isn't it? So if you want change to happen, it's really odd the way that governments talk about spending money. Like pretty much everyone else, when you when you talk about how you've spent money, you sort of would normally say, well, actually, i've I've been really careful about my money. I've got a great bargain here. Whereas governments will go, look how much we've splurged on this. Aren't we brilliant? We wasted all this money on this thing. But that is a measure of intent or priority, isn't it? I mean, like can can we see this being part ah of a whole raft of measures where, whether it's due to climate pressure or food security or, I mean, it's not going to be animal rights, really, is it? But it's just jumping on the bandwagon of the next new thing. They just like new stuff. that People, a lot of people, and the government who are made up of people, are a bit like those folk who might have lots of stuff in their larder at home, but they think, oh, I've got nothing in, and they go and buy the latest new ready this or that in the supermarket or whatever. They just go and buy whatever is advertised to them rather than using what they've got.
00:11:43
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And we've got alternative proteins already. We don't actually need an novel ones or new ones, but humans are kind of programmed to go for new the whole time. The thing that worries me, though, and I know it sounds like a trifling worry, but it's not really... is that well while they are building these centres and factories and things to produce all this processed this, that and the other and precision fermenting this, that and the other, they're taking away natural habitats, they're building more infrastructure, they're destroying nature in the process because they need to build special places for all this going on. And actually they're testing these foods don't forget on animals and killing them.
00:12:27
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So anything new is getting tested on animals and then those animals are killed. So it's causing harm to animals, even if what you get at the end of it is a plant-based protein. You're still killing animals to get there in the research and development stage. So I would rather we were just forced to use what we have already at our disposal. We've got lots of incredible protein sources already. We don't need alternative. Well, you know, alternative to meat ones, yes, but we don't need new ones because we've got them already.
00:13:05
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I sound churlish than I am. No, no, no. yeah your Your viewpoint is is valued and I think will mirror a lot of of what many of our listeners will think too, Julie. Mark, that this is off the back of the UK government's good food cycle that was launched in 2025. So it's it's coming up for being a year old.
00:13:29
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That is talking a lot more about almost about what what julie is talking about there like getting back to basics and giving young people the opportunity to be involved in planting things and understanding where their food comes from and things like that not completely plant-based i will say i did note a bit of sort of oh you know we need to make sure that um you know animals are killed humanely and things like that which i didn't quite understand how that fitted into that but but that's that's a side issue that sounds like ah a promising idea doesn't it to get people more connected with the earth the soil where their food's coming from eating more healthily was a big part of it too and things like that are you cynical about that is that just a government thinking it that's what it needs to be seen to to be doing or or
00:14:20
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I think and it's it's sort of hard to know with a cover with the current Labour government, it's sort of hard to know which which side of the fence they're on. ah I would guess that a lot of the people behind this um are are very interested in seeing a healthier population and having healthier foods available to our kids.
00:14:37
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and they're also terrifying They're also terrified the boat and getting the... fine of rocking the bolt i'm getting the ultra powerful lobbies of the animal agricultural industry on their backs around this. So they're trying to play, they're they're walking this tightrope where they don't want to upset the status quo, but they also want to change the status quo.
00:14:58
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And you can't really do both. And one or other is going to ruffle some feathers. So I think i think the intention is good, but whether they have the the spine to push it through despite the inevitable ah opposition from the likes of the Jeremy Clarksons of this world, then it may just be hot air. Also, I think it's coming and on the front of the fact that um cop cultivated meat or cultured meat, whatever it's called, and ah precision fermentation,
00:15:30
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dairy products are are about to be introduced to the UK market, I think next year. So come this time next year, you may well have menus in restaurants where there is a meat menu, there's a vegan menu, and there then there's a cultured meat menu.
00:15:48
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So people will have the option of eating animals that have been miserably treated and then killed for their plates or eating cells, cell cultured meat, which is um up for debate as to whether that's ethical or not.
00:16:04
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And then you have the vegan side of things. So I think what we will see, as we have seen in Singapore, I think that legalized the ah the commercial consumption and sale of ah cultured meat about a year or two ago. And that's only going to spread.
00:16:18
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So I think we we will see a very dramatically different landscape ah in terms of food availability ah in our supermarkets in the next sort of three to five years where you will have cultured meat.
00:16:30
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and That is meat that is grown in in a vat as opposed to grown inside an animal's body. being widely available um to can consumers around Europe. and i think it'll it'll happen very quickly. It'll be all of a sudden. And then there will, there will of course, be available amongst the vegan community as to whether that that those products are vegan or not.
00:16:54
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But I think it's it's it's a har it's a harbinger of massive change. And as I've said before, until society's backs are to the wall, we won't see any change. And now we're understanding that our backs are to the wall, and now we are seeing this change. But as I say, it will come with opposition. And who remains standing at the end of these debates is up for question actually um the agricultural lobby is extremely big and heavy and powerful and rich and the people that are that are pushing these proposals forward aren't animal welfare is not a mind animal rights activists so they may not have the stomach for a big fight but we We will see. It's certainly making the right sounds and it's um it's it's in line with what the the Danes are doing, although far less radical, but it is going in the right direction and it's it's a direction i i wouldn't have seen coming ah up until about a decade ago when the climate crisis really kicked in to the public consciousness.
00:17:52
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I think for for my money, there is several different things going on here. And where we're looking at like food security seems to be a thing. So the UK saying, well, if Singapore and Israel and all these other countries are... developing alternative proteins, then we we need to be ahead of that too, because otherwise we're reliant on other countries. And we' you know we've seen what's happened to the oil price and there were certain grains where that the price shot up at the start of the Ukraine-Russia conflict. So there's that side of things. There's the health side of things, which I think the the good food cycle is particularly looking at. And then there is the the environmental side of things here. And I think that's where, say you mentioned Denmark, that's where those stringent things are coming in from the Danish government saying, no, animal farmers, you're not getting the same level of subsidies. You you know, financially, we're going to hit you. we're we're We're going to make this harder for you to play the game.
00:19:00
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And behind that, i i I think the whole emphasis on healthier foods and and things like that, it's a lovely idea. And of course, I'm 100% behind it. But realistically, I think in free market capitalism, when you can walk into a supermarket, unless there's actual restrictions on...
00:19:20
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Who can go down that aisle? How much of the shop space can be taken up by bright packaging, by processed foods and things like that? If it's just as it is, but it's school, you get a few lessons in planting apple seeds or, you know, ah ah an extra lesson a year on... oh, look at this food pyramid, or let's take another look at how healthy foods is. like People know these things. People know that fruits and vegetables are healthy for them. But the fact is that there's basically no meaningful restrictions on how available processed unhealthy foods is. And and I know this is you know this is a vegan show and and about animal rights. So
00:20:02
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you know i me rallying against Monster Munch crisps is is kind of a bit irrelevant really but but from that side of things I think it's completely moot and that yeah as as Julie said that the the whole thing about trying to get ahead of the game and you know it's it's not seitan anymore it's not tofu anymore now it's it's it's got to have animal cells in it but you know it's it's been replicated or grown in the lab or or what have you I mean, if people want to throw their money in that direction, that's that's fine. It'll be interesting to see, but it's it's not something I particularly feel the need to put any time or energy into. But it will be an interesting gauge of how things work.
00:20:45
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are literally the appetite for it. um you know I live in a ah rural Shropshire village and I don't think it matters how appetizing lab-grown meat is and how similar it is.
00:20:57
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People around here will will support the local farmers and the local butchers that's 100 metres from my door because that's what you do. you know So I think unless there's an actual directive that says this stuff isn't available anymore, or if it is, it comes with a 300% tax embargo on it or whatever, people are just going to keep doing that. Or or a certain group of people are. ah certain But maybe in trendy places like that London or ah East Lothian.
00:21:26
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that I've heard is a very hip and happening place. maybe Maybe people will be more easily swayed. i don't know. I think if you were if you were to remove the subsidy system from animal agriculture ah tomorrow, we will quickly see how how viable economically these places are and how quickly a lot of them would shut down when they come face-to-face contact with free market capitalism as it exists today.
Economic Viability of Animal Agriculture
00:21:49
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Loads of these loads of these industries, particularly ah sort of organic and grass-fed beef sort of products, they would shut down tomorrow because it's so expensive to produce this so so-called product. So i think if you were to tweak a few things behind the scenes, like the subsidy system and redirect it, as they are doing in... in in
00:22:11
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over in the danish government with the green tripartite initiative you would quickly see how things sort of ah play out and animal agriculture is actually more of a a recipient of free money than it is an industry industries generate profit the animal agricultural industry by and large in certain areas of it at least doesn't it it needs free free ah money in or in order to survive i think if if that was better known and more understood you would have you would have a lot less support for your local farmer or your local butcher who's actually a charity rather than a business you know so um
00:22:50
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there are There are ways and means of doing all this without and being too confrontational about it. As I say, I think over in Denmark, they've they've sort of hit the nail on the head with with that balance of pushing change without giving too much ammunition to the opposition for them to have a go at you about Julie, can we do a hypothetical situation now? I'm just imagining a farmer, a dairy farmer, let's say, you know, because I think I would argue that the dairy industry is is closer to collapse than, i don't know, the beef industry. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's that's my hunch.
00:23:27
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I wonder whether seeing the government saying, we're going to back alternative proteins, we're going to really push this, I wonder whether things like that might just affect a few dairy farmers who were a bit on the edge as it is, thinking, oh, profits are down, it's getting harder and harder.
00:23:47
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Seeing the government saying, no, we're backing these alternatives. Could that be enough to make you jump ship? Probably not everybody, but do you think there'd be a few folk who who would see that and go, I think the end is nigh, folks, let's pack up. Hmm, I don't know. i don't know. The farmers in my area who are struggling already tend to just put cottages or wigwams, holiday wigwams on their land and and charge people money to pet their cows and things like that. They do stuff like that. You're absolutely right. It's it's something you have to be really careful to look out for. ah Again, particularly if you're living in in a rural area like like we both do, like you see an opportunity for like a retreat or a, oh, come and do this thing or what have you. And yeah, if you just peel back a couple of layers, you're like, oh, well I'm going to be subsidizing a dairy farm by doing that. No, no, no. It's happened several times. Goodness me.
00:24:57
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Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Maybe they might be sort of saying to themselves, oh we might have a bit of that there precision fermentation going on in our sheds.
00:25:14
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try and wrap their head around a bit of scientific fake meat production or whatever all that is. I don't know. i don't know at all. and I've got a feeling that if they go, they they were just on their way out anyway, you know, and generations of farmers there you know that it's happening that that this generation for example the one I am part of do tend to be not taking on family farms and they're getting sold right left and centre and the land is getting used for housing and things like that but I don't think it's in response to anything the government is doing or anything like that. But I think there is a certain worry about the subsidy the subsidies reducing and just the costs increasing and demand falling as well. So it's kind of deteriorating of its own accord. But I don't think there's really anybody in the farming world too scared about alternative proteins or precision fermentation taking over their livelihoods because the people who like their stuff and buy their stuff as you say they're very loyal and that's what they have and so you know so this newfangled stuff I think that's probably going to be for the younger generation if anybody. I think you you will have find that that farmers like any other business man or woman will follow the money
00:26:47
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And as much as they'll but they'll bang um on about tradition and culture, as soon as those traditions or facets of their culture stop producing money for them, they will pivot to the next thing that that i does and completely forget about that tradition or culture and never mention it again and be quite happy to never mention it again. They will follow the money. So you have a situation over here where New Zealand is known for its milk production.
00:27:12
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what is less known is that 80% or more of that milk is boiled down to powder and exported over to China and to companies like Nestle for to to be used as milk solids in confectionery, basically. So ideas of taste or quality or something go out the window when you're boiling this thing down to a powder, exporting thousands of miles to be used as a one sub-ingredient amongst a dozen others in a Mars bar or something like that. what is happening with precision fermentation because i i looked into it ah a while ago it's something that's been widely used over in the uae and over in dubai where there's a big demand for dairy but there isn't any farms there it's way too hot to have a normal farm there uh they're at a distance for them to be importing fresh milk from actual cows so so they've been producing dairy in uh permanent
00:28:03
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precision fermentation vats for years now and there's been very very little said about it and no one really like it it's not it's not an issue over over in over in these places it's still dairy as far as they're concerned so once precision fermentation reaches a tipping point and becomes cheaper and then cheaper and cheaper and cheaper then cow dairy products, then the in the dairy industry will immediately pivot to precision fermentation ah milk powder rather than dairy milk powder. And they won't say a thing about it or worry at all about it as long as the money it keeps coming in. All these, all talk about um culture and tradition, i think typically are smoke screens.
00:28:42
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for them to allow to carry on. it's easier It's easier to carry on than it is to change. People are inherently lazy in that regard and they prefer just to do what they've always done. But they will they will follow the money.
00:28:53
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And Persidive Firmin is about to outstrip in terms of how much it can produce and how cheaply on ah and ah on how little land it can it can do it. it it will It will just become the next thing that they will pivot to.
00:29:07
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with with without a question, it's it's all about money. that point was really drilled home for me in a book that I think you've read too, Julie, ah The Dark Secrets of an Animal Farmer by Mark Moore. It's it's an interesting read. it's some He writes in quite non-standard way at points, so it can take a little while for your head to get around it, but it's um in terms of the insights, um it's It's quite a unique read I've found any anyway, I've not read much like it before um and he makes that point again and again that animal farmers are just business people and that's that's the bottom line. you know that that They've got more in common with a business person than they have someone who works at an animal sanctuary for example. um and So yeah, following the money is the important thing. I just had a thought, maybe this is ah a point to end the conversation on. Wouldn't it be brilliant if, during this parliamentary debate that um you know has instigated this conversation, um instead of Dame Angela Eagle, the Minister for Food Security and Rural Affairs, instead of saying, we're going to prioritise alternative proteins, we're we're you know giving all this money to these centres at universities to do this, that and other,
00:30:28
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Actually, what we're going to do is we're going to send, probably wouldn't even have to send millions, but let's say you know a couple of million quid to Hodmerdodds, who produce the British-grown pulses and you you know chickpeas and lentils and things like that. we're gonna really back people who are already doing this in this country. They're arable farmers. Maybe some of the dairy farmers and beef farmers can can relocate and join them in. I think it's Sussex they're based, isn't it? Hodmododds or maybe Suffolk. Or it sounds like I'm making this up really because I don't actually know where they're based. I've said two counties that are nowhere near one another. But to actually back people who are doing...
00:31:09
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this sort of thing already in terms of alternative proteins to meat, i.e. pulses or nuts or, you know, wouldn't that be a real feel-good news story? But it's not quite as sexy, is it? Not as sexy as a new laboratory in Leeds.
00:31:25
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suddenly But there we are. I think pulses are coming back. I think they are. People are talking about them. People are swapping recipes on social media. Pulsees are going to have their day.
00:31:39
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Lentils and everything. It's what we've had in in day my household today. with my My folks have been over. We had chickpea flour pancakes for lunch and we've had a nice yeah yellow split pea doll for dinner. Up the pulses! Up the revolution! yes Absolutely. Yeah.
00:31:58
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Those big green, chunky ones. Goodness me. Goodness me. Well, thank you, Julie. And thank you, Mark, for that conversation. And thank you, listeners, for for tuning in. we We hope you found the conversation engaging, interesting. Perhaps you've not agreed with us, perhaps. there's a point that we missed. We really like hearing from you. You can get in touch with us on the socials at Enough of the Falafel. We're on Instagram and Facebook. And we've got an email address. And if you want to give us a bit of a longer message, perhaps email is the way. So here comes our address.
00:32:31
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To get in touch with us, just send us an email at enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com. We see ourselves as a collective. our listenership stretches all around the world and everyone's opinions, questions, feedback and ideas are what helps shape the show.
00:32:50
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com Cool. Thanks very much again, Julie and Mark.
00:33:01
Speaker
Everyone appreciates your time and your efforts and your wonderful insights. That's what people keep coming back to listen to. So thank you for providing that once again. Julie, when is the next episode of Enough of the Falafel coming out? It's coming out on Monday the 4th of May and it's going to be a Vegan Week episode, our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news and it will feature Dominic and Kate and myself.
00:33:34
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Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Julie and Anthony, for your contributions. Thanks everyone for listening. I've been Mark and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
Closing Credits and Listener Engagement
00:33:50
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And sometimes, if you're lucky, at the end of an episode, you'll hear a poem by Mr Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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