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What to Watch This Halloween | The Rewind Podcast
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This week on The Rewind, Darren, Marty, Jack, and Jesse S chat about their own personal recommendations for what to watch this Halloween.
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Episode Introduction and Hosts
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Well, hello everyone, and welcome back to the Rewind podcast, episode number eight for Tuesday, October 29th, 2024. I'm Marty Sleev, as always, joined by Darren Mooney and Jack Packard and producer Eric, and today our special guest, Jesse Schwab. And Jesse, you are here to make your inaugural Rewind. ah appearance because today we're going to be chatting about but spooky movies, about Halloween wreckos, about ah what what we've been watching and what we think you should be watching in this lead up to the spookiest of all seasons.
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Um, there's only, there's, there's only three, what? No, two days left in spooky season. You got to get there. It's, it's, it's insane. I mean, unless do do we allow spooky season to sort of have a tail past, uh, past Halloween? That's what the nightmare before Christmas is for. It's a bridging movie. That's what like, Black Christmas is for Silent Night, Deadly Night. yeah They're designed to bridge. That's what that that's the function of those horror movies is. The
Should Spooky Season Extend Beyond Halloween?
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Addams Family Values has extended Thanksgiving basis. Yeah. yeah ah The Eli Roth movie Thanksgiving also probably fits into that like we know. It's about the borderland between ah Christmas Halloween.
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As far as I'm aware, i I watched it, but I remember none of it. ah have but Hold on. I'm seeing now that I'm eternally taking a sip of coffee. So it doesn't look like you're doing a funny voice. It does look like you're trying to do bigip this whole time. I'm going to turn my camera off and turn it back on and we're going to see what happens. Don't worry. I think it is. Oh, and yeah, that's literally our show. Our show today is going to be just mostly about that. There was a couple of news, but it smells like I need to talk about this because this is going to be such. du It's just going to be us firing off a bunch of movies. We recommend it. I figure I almost have in my mind, there's like gradients.
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of recommendations, not in terms of like how strongly we recommend them, but like sort of the cozy tier of like, listen, you can watch this one with your parents. They won't get too scared. This'll be like nice, cozy Halloween vibes without really scaring your pants off. You got our throwbacks, Halloween classics, modern bangers, and then sickos only. I want to save a little space for sickos only. Movies that I like only recommend to people who got like a little bit off.
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The
Godzilla's Family Dynamics
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martyrs tear, yeah? I feel like both of our movies in the key art today are terrified and was that Manila from Godzilla? Yes, Jesse. Manila from Godzilla? Yeah, I thought that was Godzookie and then turns out Godzookie is a cartoon. And so I just didn't I never knew what this man's name was, but I like him.
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You're Godzilla. Godzilla apparently has lots of kids is what we've discovered. Godzilla gets did good for them. We're very sex positive on this podcast. Good for Godzilla. She believes in the
Halloween Movie Recommendations
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nuclear family. yeah What's Godzilla's deal? Do you know what Godzilla's deal is, Jesse? It's never quite confirmed if he's actually Godzilla's kid. Godzilla was buying an egg and it hatched and this like gross gray blob came out and he's like, I guess I'm your dad.
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as the only as the only parent here on this podcast that's kind of how it works one day wake up there's a grass grape wise great blob and it's like yeah I guess that's fine that makes like squeaking sounds too but yeah they do that but um You mean God Zooki. Whichever one. I'm honestly I'm doing whichever. I just like I like a I like a small Godzilla. I think a small Godzilla is great. I like a big Godzilla as well, but especially a small one. I also like the mayor of Tokyo is basically that position as well. It's like some Godzilla's are too big in ah in Godzilla's all monsters attack. He can Manila can shrink down to talk to a little boy. I'm just dreaming of him.
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That'd be terrifying. I don't, I don't like, I don't want to see that man in my dreams. Him like growing too. Like he grows and it's just like for a few frames, there's a big gray crotch shot of Manila. You got the camera in the perfect spot. yeah I do like Mothra's like chorus. I feel like more monsters should have a chorus. yeah good yeah The singing ladies of Mothra. Yeah. yeah Let's, uh, let's, let's start off with some of these recos, but let's start in the, in, in the the sort of the cozy vibes, the, the like low stakes, like, you know, these are going to be movies that sort of give you the the Halloween spirit that give us, uh, maybe even like the autumn spirit, but, uh, aren't going to completely terrify us. And I wanted to start out with one, uh, Jack, you mentioned in the Slack the other day. Yeah. This is like an early nineties classic that I had somehow never seen. Uh, it's been on my list for a long time because it also popped up in framed. recently, like a month ago. then i have ah I have a text chain with a bunch of pals where we play Framed every day and we say how many we've got. And they were like flabbergasted that I'd never seen this movie. well And I found out over the weekend that apparently they are, ah so ah the movie is Death Becomes Her. This is, ah you know, young Meryl Streep. This is
Robert Zemeckis' Career Overview
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Goldie Hawn. This is Bruce Willis, ah Robert Zemeckis directed. um I'm going to count it as a Halloween movie. I think there's enough spooky vibes in it. This is definitely a Halloween movie ah that not a lot of people are talking about, though. Apparently what I found out is ah is that there is a Broadway musical either about to happen or like just come out a, you know, much like like Legally Blonde. They have made a Broadway musical version of Death Becomes Her, and I have never been more excited. This is incredible. You just told me I'm Legally Blonde. Yeah.
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ah yeah it's ah it's yeah great so it's robertson meus i believe it's the movie he did directly before ah for gump And a bunch of folks from ILM, this was, I believe came out in 92 and a bunch of folks from ILM worked on it and they said they were pretty much test driving techs and techniques they would then go on to use in Jurassic Park.
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Yeah. Because yeah, without going into like, it's a move from 92, but like, it's about ah ah ah honestly a, honestly, it pairs weirdly well with the substance. Substance being a little more sickos only, but... Well, but i think that's the other thing I heard is that it's it's very much like the substance before the substance, because it's a lot of like... It's a lot of ah you know ah ah women's, especially older women's body image issues, the proliferation of the plastic surgery industry, what we do when we get older and no longer feel as attractive as we once did. Yeah, yeah. so at The monkey saw finding a way to to look younger. um Say that again, Jesse. so It's sub-substance.
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some stuff yeah yeah Can I ask, like you mentioned the fact that you haven't seen this morning and like you mentioned the fact that this doesn't maybe has have as big a footprint as it should. Do you think a large by those due to like Robert Zemeck is basically squandering all of the goodwill that he accumulated from like back to the future to make the movies that he's made where he's become now the VFX CGI guy where like he released here in American theaters this weekend and nobody knows that that movie exists starring Tom Hanks and Robin Wright. Yeah.
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And I'm a sucker for a movie
Cozy Halloween Films Discussion
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that just takes place in one room over the course of 65 million here. Jack's like, wait, what is this? This exists. What are you talking about? It's a high concept movie. and because Because of course, this is an echos movie. The concept is the camera stays in one place.
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So it stays in one place over like 65 million years and follows like the extinction of the dinosaurs to the construction of a, you know, a house, modern living, ah generations of a family living in the same space. um And nobody knows that this movie exists. Apparently it's not very good. But aside from that, nobody knows this movie exists.
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Yeah. And so I guess what what has he burned his goodwill on because he was a he was ah a hit maker for a generation. i said this I don't know if it was on the podcast or if it was on a stream. He hasn't made a good movie this century.
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yeah Castaway, castaway counts, right? Castaway is 2001, right? 2001, 2000 ish. I think it's fine. so but I think it's fine. i this Watching this movie, I'm like, this dude is like fucking throwing heaters, like absolute heaters. like We lived in a world where he was giving us Back to the Future, he was giving us Who Framed Roger Rabbit. giving a gu I'm a gump defender.
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And now he gives you welcome to Marwan for your trouble. No, thank you. I want to go to Marwan. Well, unfortunately, you're going like, it's like Christmas Carol, Bay Wolf, the man on a wire movie that, yeah, got the Pinocchio, the Disney remake of Pinocchio with Tom Hanks. Yeah. Somehow the third worst Pinocchio film of its year, which is quite an accomplishment.
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ah father eyess up peing game um ah Well, in any case, Back to Death becomes her. The ah the the beautiful thing about the movie is, like there ah as far as what makes a genre movie, what makes it a Halloween movie, for me it's all about theme and visuals.
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And much like a like a Tim Burton-esque movie, this whole movie is a little drowned in creepy, slightly off visuals. You know, like a lot of scenes like in hospitals and morgues in, ah you know, luxury. ah What do you call them? Like, you know, castles and luxury mansions that are just slightly off. And so everything has a creepy vibe to it, which I really dig. And of course, ah Uh, there's, there's death. There's multiple deaths of the same character. And, um,
Impact of Classic Horror Directors
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a lady gets hit in the face with a shovel and it breaks her neck, but she doesn't die. And it's great. Yeah. with Really. Uh, yeah. Really awesome. Uh, uh, CG and that one too.
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um Yeah, the the Tim Burton comp, I think is is spot on to where almost every Tim Burton movie feels like a ball away movie, you know, from from Edward Scissorhands to Edward, wood you know, is is direct ah Halloween movies. But um yeah, just really, really, I don't know, really enjoyed it. And that's one that like.
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yeah Around that time, we were getting like this, we were getting the Addams family, we were getting like Edward Scissorhands. It feels like like really talented directors were making really interesting, like, you know, somewhat spooky movies. We need to bring back auteurs making spooky moves that aren't like necessarily horror movies, the cozy spooky. Yeah, but like, I mean, you had like Nicholas Rogues, The Witches was around the same time as well, if I remember correctly. um If you want to get like the new witches. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
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as God, awful. One of the worst things I've ever seen. And that was in the middle of the pandemic where I was very charitable. but what ah Like there was also like the Bette Midler, what was the Hocus Pocus was around the time as well. yeah water and You know, what it was magical Bill Clinton.
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I've had, I'm gonna be honest, I've had Bill Clinton on my mind recently because I've been playing the ah the Call of Duty Black Ops 6 campaign. It takes place right like 91, 92. And there's one mission I just played where you go to a Bill Clinton fundraiser, literally Bill Clinton's up there on stage, but you have to sneak into the basement because it's actually a CIA black site and you need to watch you bust out a prisoner and you kill so many people. Like, man, I know, I don't remember this news story.
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Bill Clinton had a DC fundraiser and like a million people died in the basement. Well, the Addams Family movies are like Bush movies, right? Because ah Family Values is a direct reference to the Bush speech. The famous, like, you know, American families should be more like the Waltons, less like the Simpsons. Like, it's a direct screw you. The entire premise of Addams Family Values is a direct screw you to Bush.
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Which is interesting. I don't understand subtext. Not the Ban Bush. No, no, no, no. Adams Family Values was 93, so correct. Just after, yeah. Just after. That would be written during the Bush administration. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, he wants that great like a rewatch over the weekend. Phenomenal film so much better than the original
Debate on M. Night Shyamalan's 'The Village'
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Addams family or the the the earlier Addams family. also think telllarcast good coach julia i'll do soon I Yeah. Yeah. And and what was it a Christopher Lloyd played a little wasn't it? Frank Ester, Professor.
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or friend And then, Angelica Houston with the key light. Like I love the joke of the key light. There are several scenes in like family values where like she moves, but the key lights are always positioned so that when she hits her mark, her eyes are still in the key light. It's just fantastic stuff. It's great. I love it so much. Yeah. yeah There we go. That's a great shot. there yeah yeah absolutely Great, ah great, great, great. Cozy spooky.
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um A couple couple other ones I've been watching recently that I think kind of fit in this category. ah On the animation front, obviously you mentioned Nightmare Before Christmas, but you have stuff like Coraline. That's like and like a yearly rewatch for me. Also still probably my favorite 3D, one of the rare 3D movie experiences I've ever really enjoyed. Still haven't seen Avatar 2, maybe someday that'll that throw it the thirteenth part three d I mean, again, jaws
Analysis of 'Scream' and Horror Anthologies
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3d, uh, Freddy's, uh, is it a nightmare in Elm street? Seven Freddy's dead in 3d. Is that the one? Six, part six. Six in 3d. It's not very known six and 3d. Huh? I haven't seen just the last 20 minutes. Okay. All right. This is like the Harry Potter thing where they did like 20 minutes of, was it order of the Phoenix in 3d? Yeah. Or like Superman returns where like when Superman's about to save a plane, you get a little icon saying, put your 3d glasses on. Like the, like in the dark night where it'd be like, Oh, these are the IMAX shots.
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I mean, not the worst decision Brian Singer ever made, but a very poor choice in terms of like, yeah. format yeah yeah Yeah. Oh, hold on. Jesse has Jesse has the Nightmare on Elm Street official 3D glasses. Fantastic. Friday the 13th. Part three. Oh my God. 3D glass, even like the cases in three. you Look at, look at that. I can see that without 3D glasses. What's going on?
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it'sin It's like there's a third dimension. sorcery Absolute sorcery. Outside of movies, there's a third dimension. Exactly. And then ah the the other animated things, ah obviously, a handful of the Studio Ghibli movies I always associate with the holidays he's there with the Halloween season, particularly Kiki's Delivery Service, which is about a little witch who goes to work on a bakery.
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And ah Spirited Away, which is my favorite of his movies, which is ah just full of like delightful little like ghouls and creatures and a great little message. um One of my all-time faves. And then Over the Garden Wall, which I think I've recommended on this podcast before, but is has become a yearly rewatch for me, which was that short It was a short 10 episode, 10 minutes a piece animated series from a few years ago um about two brothers who stumble over a wall in their town into a ah dark and magical forest. And each episode is kind of this episodic journey ah as they try to find their way home through various spooky things. And I love it dearly.
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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Great recommendations. Yeah. Okay. So we are still in, we are still in, you know, kind of basic, uh, Halloween recommendation. We have not gone full sicko mode yet. Uh, Jesse, what do you got for your basic recommendations? yeah anything that off people I'm taking these off because it is murdering my eyes right now.
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ah Oh my gosh, I'm gonna go blind. Now this is what 2D looks like. um Yeah, I'm sorry. You want like cozy, like cozy heart? ah this I have a whole stack of films right here. Wow. Jesse, this is these are like recommendations that you would give to someone who you are trying not to scare off. Okay. Um, I would recommend, this is an old one. Uh, the old dark house by James whale.
Classic vs. Contemporary Horror Accessibility
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Yeah. It's a 1932. So it's like, like two years after Frankenstein. And he's just like, I'm just going to do something fun. And it's just like a, a
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Like it's very atmosphere. It's like a lot of rain. It's very dark. It's a spooky house, but it's kind of funny too. You still get Boris Karloff in it. James. Well, just as a director is like way ahead of his time with stuff like Frankenstein, visible man, bride of Frankenstein. He would come back after this to do. um And I do believe this was remade in the 60s.
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Um, fifties or sixties, but like, it's just like a classic of like a gym you don't really hear about. Cause it's not like a big monster, like Dracula or, or Frankenstein, but it's so atmospheric and it's, it's, it's fun too. It was a lot of fun. There's like a guy who's like, like there's a the family just obsessed with potatoes or something. It's, it's silly. yeah the iron ah and That a big, like, is this character meant to be Irish in an 1930s horror film?
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that's how you That's how you easily signify that to an audience without saying anything. You mentioned, yeah, James Whale, obviously, for for ah you know most known for Frankenstein. I think those early Universal movies are also great. like Entry points into horror, but also entry points into just like, wow, these are like literally some of the best movies of the 30s and 40s. Everything from Frankenstein, Creature of the Black Lagoon, Invisible Man, Wolfman. Even the two Dracula's like the Spanish language Dracula and the like Todd Browning Dracula, like they're, they're accessible. They're 70 minutes long. And they're like, if you are unsure of black and white film, if they're great ways to kind of ease you in because you know the story and you just enjoy the production of it, you know? yeah
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um nothing Yeah, that 19, like 30, it was a 30 with like Dracula, like Dracula, Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde from like, I think it was a Warner Bros. Was just like, that was like the year. I bet people saw this and were like, this is it. History is going to be great. That's going to happen.
Horror Movies Reflecting Societal Fears
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and To be fair, like it's like if you're a Cinephile, 1939 is a pretty great year. If you're anybody else, it's pretty awful.
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coming out of like Wizard of Oz gone with the wind double feature being like, yeah, best year in the history of mankind. oh I'm just gonna knock you out in the world. yeah ahchi muchchi Darren, do you have any, do you have any, uh, uh, normie, normie wreckos, wreckos for the normies? I mean, but again, this is where I wonder where the border lies. Like would M. Night Shyamalan's like six cents count. Oh yeah. That's the thing where that is like, cause that's, it's a PG horror movie. It's the kind of horror movie I could show my mother who's always a good litmus test for these things. and not be py
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It is. Yeah. Or PG 13 maybe, but yeah, it's, it's, it's not or rated as far as I'm aware. I may be wrong. Um, but it is like, it is accessible. It is atmospheric. It's rich. It's well made and it's kind of ghostly. And it does have a couple of unsettling moments in it.
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deeply unsettling moments, yeah but it's more atmosphere than anything else. And it's anchored into great performances. I love that Bruce Willis is like the king of this genre. It seems like of if we're bookending this with like death becomes her and the six cents. Yeah. i mean you like any imagine Just waking up and just being like, Oh, I sense another thing. A taste, touch, smell, what is this thing? You gotta try all of them and then you're like, what figure yeah where do you, uh, where do you stand on, uh, the village? The problem with the village, like the problem with the village is that like from the opening scene, I guess the twist and I'm not
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Despite what people think, I am not a viewer who sits there and tries to outsmart a movie. I sit there and enjoy a movie and then think about it afterwards. So the really infuriating aspect of the village, and if you know the movie and you've seen the
Fast Production of Horror Movies as Timely Reflections
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twist, you know what I'm talking about. But there's a moment where M. Night Shyamalan makes a choice as to how to convey a piece of information to the audience. And I'm like, the only reason that he would do that is because he does not want us to accept that that information is objective reality, but instead the subjective experience of the characters. Therefore, I know that he's lying to me about this one thing and I spend the next hour and 40 minutes waiting for the movie to catch up to what I know the twist is from the first shot. um I think it's very lavishly made.
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I think the performances are interesting. It's probably the best way to go. yeah I mean, Adrian Brody makes a lot of choices working Phoenix. I think it's quite good to be fair to him, but yeah, Adrian Brody is making some choices in that movie. I think Bryce sells Howard is actually good at that movie. And I think like the adult cast in quotes of like Sigourney Weaver and like, um, the big hurt are fantastic. Um, but yeah The bigger he's big, he's big and he hurts. And John her little hurt. compar like it's Yeah, It's. That is a movie I fucking loved when I saw it. I adored it and I was like, I have to show this to everyone because no one's going to guess where this where this movie is going because it blew me away. I did not. I was not prepared for it. I bought it on DVD. Every person I showed it to within like 10 minutes was like, does this take place in modern day? And I'm like, yeah.
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all sorcerers, one of you sorcerers. I think I remember my friends was like, you're just dumb. I think you're just dumb. but Now that you've given it away, the twist is the gravestones. The fact that he focuses on the gravestones to tell you that it's like the 19th century. And I'm like, if he wanted to convey that he would just like put it in text, like printed on the screen, the fact that he's using gravestones to tell me that tells me that I'm not meant to trust it, that he wants me to believe that it is, but also wants to go, I didn't explicitly say that it was. And I'm like, you know trying and i That's what happens. You grow up in Wisconsin, you just trust everyone. That's how you get your domers and your gacies. I am not convinced it takes place on Earth.
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I think most of them are Shyamalan movies. like I haven't seen that. yet There hasn't been a shot of the planet in the movie. That's true. That's true. Yeah. i I think like the village is one of those words. it' Like I guessed the twists to unbreakable, you know, five minutes into the movie that if if we even want to call that a twist, ah but I still can enjoy unbreakable on multiple rewatches because I think it's incredible writing and solid, and solid filmmaking. I think the village,
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is a movie that hinges entirely on the twist because the filmmaking is a little wibbly wobbly. So I think that's like the peak of Shyamalan is the next Hitchcock. I think Hitchcock's probably also a good shadow for talking like recommendations for easing you into horror yeah like.
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Again, this is one of those things where you're gauging
Horror Movies for Different Fan Levels
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like the scale of time and how different and more intense horror movies are now compared to what they were. But would Psycho be an accessible movie for like somebody dipping their toes into horror? It is intense but by the standards of modern art.
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I was enjoying the first five minutes as soon as that lady walked in the shower. I'm like, I don't want to watch this kind of film. So I just walked away. I never I never watched the rest. Yeah, only only true psychos consider pure filth den the moment that hitchcock shows a toilet flushing. I was like, yeah, this is degenerate. it Are there any horror movies like what year do horror movies stop being quaint?
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Yeah, that's the question. Cause I mean, like again, Halloween, like my sister watched the 1978 Halloween and was like, it's very well made, but is it no way a scary movie? Um, yeah. Like for her, it starts in 96 with scream. Like, cause I think, I think I've mentioned this before my sister texting me and being very proud. Darren, you'll be very proud of me. I know you like movies. I watched an old movie and I'm like, wow, what did you watch? Did you watch like, you know, gone with the wind? Did you watch like the wizard of Oz? And she's like, no, I watched scream from 1996.
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And I'm like, wow, I am so it's a saving private Ryan shot of you just just mean reading my phone. It is really good to scream. Yeah, it's scream so very good. Yeah. i was Actually, this past month, I watched the entire screen franchise for the first time. I've seen the first one before, but not like all the other ones.
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But that was interesting. Some of them. yeah um I think two and four are great. Two's good. yeah you take that a tabar You can be a Timmy Oliphant, then I'm sold. You're fine. You can be a Timmy Oliphant in a clumsily rewritten climax because the previous version leaked on the internet and I'm all in, baby. Is that true? but That is rumored to be the truth. Now he says it was always going to be Timothy Oliphant, but there were leaks that it was supposed to be, I believe, The Roommate and Jerry O'Connell.
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was the sum of any cool news that that ain't cool news ruin this ruins movies. Obviously, that's the worst thing that has ever been involved with ain't a cool news. We have to turn the millennium like we like whenever we talk about turn the millennium pop culture, it's like and this is not the worst thing this person has ever done, to be clear. um Anyways, let's talk about the Twilight Zone movie.
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ah
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ah Are you going to land this plane? Are you going to land this helicopter? Okay. No, we sorry. That was too much. I was, I was chatting with someone recently who, uh, it was their first time watching an American werewolf in, uh, in Paris and, uh, uh, or in London. Wait, which is the the first one?
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London, London, London.
Horror Movies Set at House Parties
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Uh, and you know, they were just like, Oh, I've a coworker told me to watch this movie. And I said, if, as long as you can stomach a slightly problematic director, you know, it's a, this is a classic movie. Like it helped define like the modern transformation sequence, just glorious, glorious, slightly problematic director. And that they, they were texting me back going, Oh no, like, you know,
00:26:45
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How bad could it be? Was it another me too thing? And I was like, Oh, no. Significantly were like, Oh, what could be worse than? Oh no. Oh yeah no. Completely overhauled the way that kids are allowed to work in the industry. yeah yeah Yes. Yes. Yes. Uh, but you know what? If you can disassociate from that of fine, spooky movie,
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but And it does, I think a thing that I really like in in horror, which again, we've talked about in the past is I think anthology works really well in horror. I think horror is ah is a ah both in games and movies and TV. I think horror works really well in, not small dose, but like you could tell a really good spooky story in a very condensed manner. you know If you go back to Po, if you go back to you know Hawthorne. ah And so I think it works in the anthology setting. And a lot of times some horror things stumble when it's like, oh, like we talk about Terrifier. How long is this two and a half hours of this fucking clown? Like, really you don't. still There's also the fact that like horror is a very diverse genre as well. Like there's this big, there was this big story with The Hollywood Reporter of Variety talking about like the fear of like horror or fatigue or whatever.
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And the issue is that like horror can be so many things. So even a horror anthology can be so many different flavors, like the Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities, which is a great Halloween watch, which also like has stories that run the spectrum from you know you can dip your toe in or you can watch the viewing or the autopsy and get properly messed up.
00:28:14
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But like yeah like horror just has a wide range of like tones and kind of theme settings, moods, atmospheres, and approaches. And so I think like an anthology setting works well for that reason as well, where you're not watching six, 20 minute. like versions of the same scene over and over you're getting a different flavor and you can actually like sequence it as well like you can end on a gory one and start on a light one or you can paste it out in the middle by going a bit easy you know yeah well and horror as it evolved yeah over the last hundred years is just like slowly kind of snowballing and catamarrying and pulling in parts of culture and obviously every decade almost feels like horror is directly you know speaking to whatever the
00:28:54
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big event or big topic culturally of that decade is, you know, whether it's the, you know, post-war radiation monsters or whether it's the, you know, post-Reagan era or or um sort of the technology tinged horror of the, of, of post-9-11.
00:29:08
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and horror Yeah, well, I mean, that horror doesn't tend to be pre, to be fair. You'd be rather just, like, it's the premise of a horror movie that you watch a pre-9-11 movie, you know? um
00:29:22
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That's what the ring tape is? 1997, what's going on? Why is this torture porn? um Because horror is so usually so quick to produce, it's also almost quasi topical as far as it's it's reacting to kind of the modern climate because you can turn around a horror movie in under a year. Yeah. And it's quick and it's cheap and it's careful. So you don't have to worry about like focus grouping. You don't have to worry about alienating audiences like this year. We've had like a flood of post-dobs
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00:29:50
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like, you know, abortion horror movies like off the top. They had the first omen, for example, apartment seven a immaculate cuckoo and like
00:29:57
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No coincidence that all of these movies about pregnancy, even Romulus, which is the most pregnancy focused alien movie in a franchise about pregnancy, are all coming directly after like Dobbs. And you could literally set your clock to Dobbs Happens, a year pre-production, about six months of production, six months of post-production and release. And here we are, you know? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I remember specifically, uh, one of my favorite early movies of quarantine was Host.
00:30:26
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which that was the horror movie that was all filled with zoom screens. Yeah. And it came out in like July of 2020. And I'm like, fucking, how did you throw this together so quickly? But this is nuts. Like we've been only doing this movie. My mind jumped to the host that I like. the end of bun Yeah. A giant killer tadpole. Very cool. This is what happens if you go outside. This thing's got to fucking run you over. Yeah. Like you mentioned.
00:30:54
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9-11 and so on. Again, like you see the wave of post-9-11 movies in 2003 with like Saw and with like Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot. It is like clockwork. As soon as something horrible happens in the world, some horror writer or director is like, give me a pen and let me get to work. It's yeah it's incredible to interact.
00:31:12
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I recently watched Saw in theaters, they had like a special like 20th anniversary of it. And there's like maybe like six people in it, but I am having a blast. Like at the end when they hit that music at da da da. Then I'm like, Oh my God, let's go. It's so hype. Like the Saw franchise is its own thing. The original Saw is a masterpiece. I think like, and it e it's somewhat not sullied, sullied is unfair because that's dismissive of the later films, but it is kind of tarred with the brush of this is torture porn. The first saw was much closer to something like say seven.
00:31:42
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Um, it's not particularly graphic. A lot of the horror is psychological and introspective. And obviously as soon as you hit saw two, it's like, no, we're going to throw people into big bags of needles and stuff like that. We're going to ask them to like peel their own skin off or whatever, drown them in pig fat. I like, by the way, like the saw franchise continuity is fascinating because I think saw three has a trap in which a person is drowned in like pig entrails. And there's just a machine that constantly feeds pig carcasses in and then like set Seven movies into the franchise. They reveal that jigsaw, John Kramer used to be a farmer answering the question of where he got all those big carcasses. I mean, that's set up in payoff. where That's exactly for four saw movies. I was like, where did the big carcasses come from?
00:32:27
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the series is like a big pyramid and everything builds on top and like keeps looking back like okay how can we take this one minor character this one minor detail and keep like stringing in making like they're they're
Unique Contributions of Horror Films and Directors
00:32:38
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weaving together this this horror quilt and i'm all here to for it yes it's not really a spoiler given the franchise has continued past this point they killed jigsaw the title character of the franchise in the third movie and have not revived him and Tobin Bell has appeared in all but one of the subsequent Saw movies as the character of Jigsaw. It's incredible. it is you know that that guy That guy is he's pretty old, so like get him in all the films. like Keep making them until like he cannot make these anymore. I will i will support it. yeah
00:33:16
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Eric, can you get the picture of Tobin Bell from saw 3d, AKA saw seven with the backwards facing baseball cap? Yeah. you just Put it down. yeah put down the how How do you do fellow kids? It's one of the greatest, one of the scariest shots in the soul franchise. I'm really testing Eric. John Jigsaw.
00:33:34
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just
00:33:39
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so this was a good idea but he's so young who was like blood good He needs to infiltrate a book signing if I remember correctly is like the premise of that scene. It's like Sean Patrick. I need to be in disguise. The cops will never suspect.
00:33:58
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I enjoyed the first one where he just has like a blonde like soul patch. Yeah. just like That is still one of the, uh, one of the twists. I just can't, I can't abide by the fact that he was just laying prone left or for hours and hours. I'm like, you didn't sneeze. Like, what if you like got a cramp?
00:34:14
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no we eat Again, Marty, please, you have to watch Saw 3 in order to understand this fully. They do show him being tranquilized at the climax of Saw 3 to bear him for the events of Saw. They do close that loop, Marty. Okay. So even if you're tranquilized, even if in your mind, what if you go to bed tonight and in your mind be like, the second I wake up, I'm not going to move. I'm just going to pretend I'm still asleep. You're going to wake up and yawn and move and be like, oh fuck, I was supposed to be asleep.
00:34:43
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It's very hard to remember that to me I like I always hated the fact that they kind of you know closed that loop as far as he was tranquilized because I thought like kind of one of the themes was is These two people are so trapped in their own lives They don't notice the world around them like they didn't notice an alive person just lying there But then they closed that loop and I was like, oh that kind of dilutes the message of the first saw Thanks saw three I mean, so seven again, like we're I love how deep into the minutia we're going. So is it so seven or so eight reveals that like Carrie Elway's was alive the whole time. And he was the, like the surgeon who performed the surgery in the opening son of saw two, which is like one of my, again, because saw two is the one where a person discovers there's a key behind their eyeball. And obviously people like who could have possibly put that there? And they're like, well,
00:35:34
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We have closed that loop for you. Turns out Kari Elway's not dead. And he's very good at cranial surgery. And I believe Saw 2 was originally a script that was retroactively spit in to make into a Saw movie. So yeah they will take whatever they can and make it part of the lore. Like pigs into a grinder.
00:35:55
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Oh, that's great. That's a guy. Now I want a list of movies that were ah because it was like Cloverfield, Paradox, Die Hard 3, like movies that started yeah something else that were just like that you make the weapon sequels, I think are like, yeah yeah pretty yeah, if you squint and look at the right angle, you can make this a thing in our world.
00:36:13
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No, that's the opposite. Like those are movies that are explicitly become sequels. But then there's the opposite, which is like movies that are sequels, but we don't have the rights to them. So, for example,
Thematic Depth in Horror Movies
00:36:22
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ah like The Rock is a James Bond movie that follows on from ah Diamonds Are Forever, for example, oh or what's one of my other favorite? Oh, like right Raised by Wolves, which is the science fiction show that Ridley Scott made with HBO, which is not not an alien movies like franchise type thing because we don't have the rights. I like it. I like it. I never heard The Rock one, but I like that.
00:36:43
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Well, cause it he's, he's Britain's top secret agent played by Sean Connery. You know, he's literally like, yeah he's a former british she basically James Bond. Yeah. I want to rewatch the movie and just pretend he's James Bond. Sounds great. I think you can. Yeah.
00:36:58
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yeah And the idea is that like the last Sean Connery Bond movie in the regular canon, excluding like, you never say never again, was diamonds are forever in which he is in the US. So the idea is he got arrested for whatever it is he did in diamonds are forever. And it's serving them out. of dress I believe that wasn't Las Vegas, which would be kind of close to.
00:37:19
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San Francisco. Yeah, god it's all happening. It's all coming together. It's like enemy, the state as well as kind of a sequel to the conversation, which is another thing I'd love where they just changed the genre, where they take like this all stir character piece about like surveillance culture and existential loneliness. I'm like, okay, but what if here we out here, the unofficial sequel is like a Tony Scott, Michael Bay action movie with Will Smith.
Varied Horror Movie Recommendations
00:37:43
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You know, that scene of the conversation where he zooms in from his hotel room at union square. What if we zoomed in on a penny from a satellite?
00:37:50
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20 cuts in that sequence and also lingerie. um ah great but it is i know love both of them Okay, let's move on from from our cozy times. Let's do like a level below sicko. Let's not go sicko yet. But what are our horror echoes that are for horror fans, but not quite in in that scary sicko category yet?
00:38:14
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All right. Here's what I here's what I have. It's a movie I want to say we talked about when it first came out. It's a movie I just rewatched again this year that I effing love so much. The empty man. Yeah, yeah which is available to watch on Hulu. um um And you absolutely should. It is a goddamn masterpiece. Yeah. It is eight different horror movies crammed into one and it all makes sense. It is a alone in the woods horror movie. It is a ah a murder mystery. It's a slasher horror movie. It's also kind of like a, what I know what you did last summer, teen horror movie for a little bit is beautiful. It is just goddamn beautiful. They literally go to make out bridge at one point. And as I recall, like I love that place. Exactly. They go to Makeout Bridge. There is
Impact of Foreign Horror Films
00:39:09
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a there is a ah nude sauna sequence. yeah ah it's ah but But then slowly unravels into probably one of the best kind of Lovecraftian existential horrors you will ever, ever see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's two types of people in the world, those who love the empty man and those I don't need to talk to you.
00:39:29
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so um Also along the similar lines, and also I believe a Hulu released Barbarian recently as well, I would like to share that. That's know it's another example of it's not quite eight different horror movies. It's two different horror movies stapled together in the middle. It's great. and I really, really want to would recommend that as well. If you like, if you're looking for recent stuff that maybe didn't get the love that it deserves. Sticking, I believe this was also Hulu. Yes. Last year with Caitlyn Deaver. ah No one will save you. Yes. The alien abduction movie that. Mostly silence. It was like the hundreds of beavers of its time. It is the hundreds of beavers.
00:40:07
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ah But ah yeah, it is a great, it is a great alien, ah you know, alien invasion movie pretty much following her and her alone. And she's alone in this house like visiting, great I think it's her mom's house after she passed away and ah dealing with this alien invasion that occurs you know midway through the movie. ah Just like really, really great stuff. And one of those like, she was great as like a child actor and like short term 12 and justified. ah And I just think she's going Last Man Standing, the Tim Allen. has to know yeah yeah And she's going to be in The Last of Us. She's going to play character. People definitely not going to be mad at Caitlin Deaver's character in The Last of Us Part 2. What's your protection detail like, by the way? On a related note, for folks who play The Last of Us 2, Caitlin Deaver is playing Abby in The Last of Us 2. But yeah, good movie. Highly recommended if you like aliens.
00:41:04
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You know what a theme I like in horror movies are? I like a movie that starts out with a house party or some sort of a get-together and then things go awry. We talked the other week about It's What's Inside. That's exactly what I was thinking in terms of recent horror movies. We talked about that a couple ones from a little while ago. that ah might but One might be a little more sci-fi than a horror ah coherence. Have you ever seen coherence? No. This is a, it's a, it's a house party. And ah they look at someone's like, oh, you got to go get some more beer. And they go outside and all the lights on the block are out, except all the way at the end is a house with the lights on. And so the guy walks all the way to the end of the block, goes in the other house and it's the same house party.
00:41:48
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Yes. It's one of those, wait a minute, what's going on here? What are we what are we doing here? um and This the other one is called coherence. Coherence, yeah. um And then the other one is also, I think from like probably 10 years ago or so, ah the invitation.
00:42:06
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Oh my God, that is so great. Which is going to a dinner party with your ex wife and things ah do not go well. like it's a It's a really great social horror. It's one of those. And there's been a lot of them recently. And again, you wonder what is percolating through the American popular consciousness, where it's just like, at what point will politeness get you killed?
00:42:26
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At what point do you like acknowledge that like this is weird and we shouldn't be putting up with this? And like pretending to make nice for people and be polite to them is going to get you killed. Speak no evil is built around exactly the same premise. This movie legitimately like confirmed in me that like you could just leave whenever you want. like yeah you're at If you're at like a a social gathering, like there's no like you don't have to be polite. You don't even have to say goodbye to everyone. You just leave. Yeah. You vanish into the night. i actually by It's great. like i didn't have to say I didn't want to say it. I thought it might be offensive. I was thinking it. I didn't want to say it. There's a reason. There's a reason there's an Irish goodbye. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, probably one of those from like modern that comes to my mind is like bodies, bodies, bodies. Yeah. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah. Yes. Pete Davidson, right? Mm hmm. Yeah, they all go to like, you know, like they're all having a little like,
00:43:18
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overnight party, but like a horror game, but it's a little too real. ah Yeah, that's ah absolutely ooh king and commoner mentioned head count, which was a great indie one from a few years ago that ah they're the earn at in its beginning of the movie is whatever. There's like eight people at this party and that they're and they're playing like a drinking game and they're they're, you know, counting off everyone's numbers and they know there's eight people and then they're counting off everyone's numbers and they get to nine.
00:43:47
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there's and And there's a ninth person, but they know everyone who's there and they swear that there's only eight people there. um And it kind of kind of unravels from there. I like a movie that just has a dumb premise like that. Give me a dumb premise where you're like something regular, but just slightly spooky. like The clock is dark and then the same party is at the end of the block. Hell yeah. Wait a minute. Okay. So basically is's what you're going for what was the drinking game one? ah Head count. Head count. Yeah.
00:44:14
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I listen, I every time we do this, I have several tabs open with all the things we talk about for my list to add to my list to watch later. OK. Yeah, I think for this one, I'm going to I'm going to rewatch this episode. I'm just going to I'm going to post the links in the comment. We're going to actually do that. I should say that might be a promise. I'm not going to. That's a bit bit of work. Just a yeah another house party movie. Halloween resurrection. The school that never was. Oh, oh, that's the hoop. I mean,
00:44:42
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How many movies have, is it Busta Rhymes? Roundhouse kicking Michael Myers? I don't know. Trick or treat, Mikey. Motherfucker. I'm just going to say Halloween, Halloween kills would have ended much quicker if they had Busta Rhymes there. Jamie Lee Curtis just roundhouse kicked him. I do live with that. He would have actually died tonight if he was there. What's great is like you actually read interviews of Busta Rhymes and he's like, I didn't think it was a good idea, but apparently the focus group said that they wanted it.
00:45:12
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How to listen to them? Who are we to say no to the focus groups? I like the 2018 Halloween. I know a lot of people didn't. I'm generally like quite fond of the Halloween movies in general, fonder than most. I will. I will concede. um I like the three Gordon Green movies. I like
Influence of Classic Horror on Modern Cinema
00:45:31
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the second Rob Zombie movie. I don't mind the first zombie movie, even if you get towards the climax and it's just reminding you of a thing that did all this stuff better.
00:45:40
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and Yeah. And your your piece that went up ah ah Monday or over the weekend on Halloween, Halloween to Rob Zombie's Halloween, too. ah So for members of the Patreon at the five dollar tier and above, you can read Darren's one of his most recent columns on Halloween, too. That was interesting because I really did not like Halloween, too. And then I read your I've read your piece. and I was like, I kind of want to rewatch this through and sort of like, you know, retune ah my my expectations, given some of the context around it.
00:46:07
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It's a deeply, deeply, deeply unpleasant movie that like hates its audience, hates itself, hates its existence. It's a remarkable piece of work. Very joker folio do in some senses.
00:46:19
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But yeah, ah probably i mean lose as much money as Joker. file no Halloween three is amazing love hall stories and in a horror movie. Yeah. Tom, Tom Atkins. Yeah. Like there was a wall between that and the fog where Tom Atkins was like the hottest man alive in the early 1980s. And it's like, we gave up that world. We had paradise in our grasp and we let it slip through our fingers. Like know we just have our cheek lord so like like it's see Do you have a picture? Do you have a picture there? eric of Like Tom Atkins, just to show people like what they're missing. greater yeah that what we had all we had
00:46:55
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like where yeah That's it. Shirtless, hairy, divorced, possibly drunk. He seems like a doctor who smells of alcohol in like Halloween three. Um, he has that sort of vibe to him.
00:47:06
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He's like, it's incredible. Like they're at Halloween three, all these beautiful women are throwing themselves at him and he's just like, I don't know. there yeah He's like 20 years older than these ladies too. And going home to his ex-wife and kids, but like it is very, very Reagan era dad fantasy code, an aspirational figure for most of us. um
00:47:34
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A couple of folks in chat were asking if we had any recommendations of ah of of foreign horror movies and then specifically Japanese horror movies. and And one movie ah brought up, ah I think I brought up on another stream and people said Jack was a fan of it, One Cut of the Dead.
00:47:53
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o One cut of the dead? Oh. Without giving spoilers I thought they said you were a fan of it. Maybe they did a big lie to me though. They might've done a big lie to you unless it's called something else. I don't believe I've seen this. it's very it's Fascinating movie. Yeah, it's um it's a movie.
Unique Horror Viewing Experiences
00:48:14
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we'll We'll leave it at the movie starts out and it's about making a it's about ah a film crew who wants to shoot a ah Zombie movie and like an abandoned factory and then spoilers maybe maybe zombies attack
00:48:26
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But it it starts off with a very basic premise, but then ah very much builds onto that and is actually a very smart and very fun. And um one of those movies, I definitely recommend going in relatively blind. Yeah, like it has like pretty good twist. for They even got me like when I was watching it and not like ah they're dead, but there's more of like, oh.
00:48:47
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Oh, and it keeps going and you're like, okay, this just keeps like, it's like a seven layer dip. I just get, I just guessed the village twist of every movie. Now, every movie I enter, I'm like, this has got to be, it's modern day. It just takes place in modern day. That's not a twist. That's just like, ever thought about like Japanese bars stuff though, to my favorites, current echo and only Baba, both by Keneto Shindo. Hell yeah. Baba might be one of my favorite movies.
00:49:15
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and connect with me like a couple of years after, but they're like, They're really freaking good, just very spooky. Kuranak is more like ghostly, so they feel like more like spiritual stuff. Noni Baba just like visually, like then about um it like medieval Japan during the war and the whole film just takes place in just these tall thickets of grass. And it's just so it's so striking and visually interesting. Mm hmm. Like absolutely recommend. He's also the naked eye, which isn't a horror film, but pretty good, too. Hmm.
00:49:47
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I'm sorry Jesse, I'm actually looking for my matching copy of Oni Baba here because I do have it. I'm just... Baba Bros. Yeah, I know. Baba Bros. Also, Jesse, you might need to turn off and turn back on your camera. I believe you have frozen. Oh no, you got Oni Baba'd. You got Oni Baba'd on us. Oh look at me! Look at me, I'm splitting half! Oh no!
00:50:06
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Oh, that was terrifying. You got terrified. Okay. Can I keep, can I, I'm just going to keep talking. I'm not actually not going to ask for permission. I'm just going to keep speaking. Uh, they can't hear me. That's fine. Uh,
Horror Film Adaptations Across Cultures
00:50:20
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class. It's got to be like Ringo and it's got to be like audition, right? Oh, I like a Ringo. I like an audition. I like, uh, my Joanne, the grudge.
00:50:30
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um But the classic one, Misaki Kobayashi's Quaidan, big ones with, ah you know, little anthology stories, ah four short sort of Japanese folktale horror stories. um Really, really great stuff. One of the most gorgeous movies I have ever seen just aesthetically, like just like even without subtitles, even without sound, it just looks gorgeous. It's one of the best looking movies I have ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty stunning.
00:51:00
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Yeah. um thought One, one other four and one, I'm a big fan of it's Swedish are in the Hoxon or Hoxon. Yeah. Yeah. ma Some Haxon action. Yeah. accident It's a um like, it's a silent film from 1922 translate to the witch is like a documentary style. Oh, okay. Like witches and demons and stuff.
00:51:26
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And it's super spooky, but it's, it's not like a, like really like a horror, you know, there's like a, not there's a monster around murdering people, but like visually it's like, it's super striking. And it's Swedish, which you don't really hear about like Swedish horror that much. I feel that's true. That's true. yeah They just also, well,
00:51:44
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Well, we're recommending foreign films. Nosferatu from 1979, the Werner Herzog version as well, yeah just because obviously Egger's version is coming out, but like Werner Herzog's one is when I go back and watch and it's just it again, really gorgeous, really haunting, really bleak, like existentially bleak, which is not, not the Werner Herzog isn't normally a barrel of laughs as a director.
00:52:08
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Absolutely. and Yeah. Earlier this month, actually, i they had a theory numbers having a screening of the original Nosferatu, but with the soundtrack of ah Radiohead. Yeah. Oh, very cool.
00:52:25
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ah Like
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00:52:26
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special like lighting effects and stuff which was like really cool. This isn't really out of that well The the only asterisk is that like, you know silent films typically have um You know tints on them. So yeah, okay, this is indoor day nights like that and without Nosferatu it kind of hurts the movie when you just see a vampire walking around what is clearly shot in daytime and
00:52:54
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Sure. actually Are you looking forward to that? Nosferatu this Christmas? i'm I'm hoping it's a banger. Yes. I'm on the banger train. I feel like Eggers has form. Yeah, tall bangers for Eggers. He's a good Eggers, is what he is. um so which i I saw what you did there. sorry He's a bit of a mad yoke, so he is. Oh, my God. That's like a little bit removed. That was a little too far.
00:53:21
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I know, Darren, you've also speaking to foreign or you've mentioned Thumbad a few times, which I'm a big fan of. Yes. Love Thumbad so much. An Indian horror film. And i like, again, one of the interesting things, not that I'm an expert in Indian cinema, but I've watched a few of them. And like in recent years, obviously Indian cinema has huge, it's not just one industry, it's like three or four industries. each of which is roughly the size of Hollywood, which is incredible. Um, but basically they've begun embracing a kind of Western style storytelling, which is interesting the same way that like, you know, American cinema embrace like Japanese type storytelling during the sixties and seventies. And like you get to see them do things like and had Hoon, which is what if a Cohen brothers like Bollywood movie existed, which is just incredible. Uh, but Tom bad is this like,
00:54:05
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Indian horror movie that has made so far outside the systems and structures of traditional Indian cinema that I believe it had to be shot over like four or five years and had to be like went through like three more years or two and a half more years of post production on it as well because they couldn't get the money together. It was very difficult to get the schedule for everybody. They didn't have, like couldn't generate rain season. They had to shoot during monsoon season as well because they couldn't fake it because they didn't have the budget. It is just incredible. It's rich in its atmospheric and it's really, it's always very interesting to see something like channel through a different culture. Like I also like Gore Verbinski say the ring, which is like,
00:54:42
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and attempt to translate a fundamentally Japanese horror movie into an American Malou and works really well because it is what he cleverly hones in on is I can just do this like Stephen King. I can just kind of like make it look like kind of like murky American green washed out wilderness folktale ghost story stuff.
00:55:00
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as opposed to this high concept, high tech Japanese ring story. Um, but yeah, no, Tom bad is incredible because it is, it is a ghost story. It's a kind of a, it's a curse story. It's a story of like guilt and wealth and like set against the backdrop of Indian independence and the notion of like who profits from Indian independence and how do you profit from it? I think it's, I think it's gorgeous. Um, and it looks and feels unlike anything else I have ever seen, which is just remarkable given how many movies I watch.
00:55:29
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Um, you need an extra Indian horror recommendation. Uh, missing some Bali is just like a hoing floating head yeah in trails. Like now one of the, one of the, one of the, uh, the three great floating head and entrail horror movies that they had a classic, a classic of, uh, my favorite burgeoning sub genre. Yeah. So it's, it's the, well, it's the Robert Zemeckis Pinocchio of the genre is what you're saying, Jack. Um, yeah.
00:55:57
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Oh, it's a good one. Mystics and Bali is a real good one. Okay. Do we want to, do you want to dip into sicko mode now? Do we have any, do we have a real like we can dip into sicko mode now because it's kind of poignant as my sicko mode is also a foreign film. I'm going to, I'm not going to, uh, this is also my to be fair segment.
00:56:18
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um my god you were is ten birds of one stone you just birth are hurting And I won't take too much time. I'm on it because it is something that we covered in the last best of the worst, which is the French art house slasher a psychological horror film that is also a mummy movie called devil story.
00:56:41
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And and I cannot convey to you the math that and thank. Oh, wow. Eric found that so fast. um um That is the man beast freak ah who is murdering people. As soon as the film starts, there is a mummy in his hot goth girlfriend that has something to do with it. I have frozen again. Hold on. Boop, boop, boom. That's because you're a man beast freak man. That's because I'm a man beast freak.
00:57:12
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ah It is ah it it is a nightmare of a movie. And I say that with a lot of love, because ah as Darren just mentioned, like we watch a lot of movies and it is hard to find movies that make you feel something that make like that are different. And Devil's Story is so flipping different. So easy do you think is is it good?
00:57:40
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Uh, is a good, good bad, again this is why this is sickos only. This is our, we are in these sickos only recommendation, which is no, you have to have a stomach. You have to have ah a vocabulary of horror already. You've got to have a stomach for horror already because it is an absolute nightmare. Uh, it is a fever dream. And ah to me, that makes it is what makes it very fascinating. I have recommended this to so many people in the past couple of weeks.
00:58:10
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um And i I take some time, it is for free to watch on 2B right now. And it is, if you are a pure sicko, it is worth a watch.
00:58:24
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I love it. all sick goes Oops, all Oops, all sickos. One of my sicko recommendations, also speaking of foreign films and also on ah joining Manila on the cover art for this episode ah is a 2017 Argentinian movie called Terrified, not Terrifier. This doesn't have Art the Clown. You don't need lore in this movie, don't worry.
00:58:46
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but this is ah It's it's a movie where a cop is called to this single block because there's three separate ah the Supernatural fucked-up disturbances ah going on in this block. So again, it is it's not an anthology movie, but it very much he's Visit this one house and it's like oh god. What's happening here? And then the next house Eric has the image now, one of the houses, it's a woman whose child dies in a car accident. And then a few days later, she calls the police because she's like, he's sitting at the dining room table and his corpse is sitting at the dining room table ready, ready to eat. There's another house to where the guy is, ah he, like a poltergeist keeps infecting his house at night and just tossing the shit all over the place. And like the lengths that goes are absolutely wild.
00:59:30
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Uh, the practical effects in it, the, the creature design, uh, it's incredible use of, uh, slow burn jump scares. Like, you know, this jump scare is coming and the fuse burns for so long. And even when it hits, it still hits so hard. Absolutely great movie. The same, uh, the same director, uh, Damien Rugna did a, uh, he had a new horror movie last year called when evil lurks.
00:59:55
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Uh, which is also, also great. The students, the students in absolute sicko. So, um um, I got a season tickets to his, uh, to his nonsense, terrified, not terrified or not. art decline In the U S available to rent on prime video for three bucks. Oh, got it but that I'm just saying, think about it. It's not on to be, but something, I saw something on to be the other day and I forgot what it was. I learned we have a leados know. And I even took a note and I don't know where the note is.
01:00:26
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He said, we're not professionals. she wont um ah but ah Here's the thing is to be is not sponsoring us yet. So it doesn't matter, but to be, look what you just missed out on. It could have been part of the job. but You could have had a double to be fair. Could have had a double to be fair. Yeah. Uh, Darren, you got any, you got any sicko sickos only recos.
01:00:47
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I feel really bad cause like gore isn't really my thing when it comes to horror movies. Um, but off the top of my head, like the three first Peter Jackson movies come to mind, which are like brain dead, meet the people's bad tastes, which are just, again, remarkable to think that these are the, this is the guy who made the three Lord of the rings movies. Um, just again, wonderful practical effects work.
01:01:07
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and the titles imply some terrible taste involved as well. And I don't know if it counts, but stuff like say the descent as well as like a movie that really scared me um every time I thought it was really, really well made. It's not, I don't know if it's particularly gory, but it's really dark and intense and very visceral. and yeah So these don't have to be gory. These are just like, you know, these are movies in which you would have a, you know, if you were to recommend them, they would have a little caveat. with them. Yeah. And I think like, like brain dead, actually dead alive is what we call it here in, uh, in America is one of those like, yeah, you should watch this.
01:01:43
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but to yeah just be warned. It's funny. We, uh, yesterday on windbreaker, we talked about the greatest movie ever made by like an 11 time Oscar winner, maybe. Sorry. Um, uh, what, what are we, know i but I was trying to think of another 11 time Oscar winner. Like, what yeah I was like, what, what, what, what are they making? Um, no, we talked about it too. um We yeah on Windbreaker yesterday, we were talking about some of but like our earliest memories of like being scared by media. And well, partially one was Yasu and I both felt 10,000 years old because Jay mentioned as a child watching Fellowship of the Ring. ah And it's when Bilbo like reaches and grabs you and he grabs for the ring. And then we talk about like how were like, yeah, that's there's like a couple of moments in each of the Lord of the Rings movies where it very much feels like Peter Jackson's like, what if I sneak a little bit of this in there? I want to get a little bit of my old touches back in there, like the frightners, you know, I'm just going to ease that back in. like It's again, incredible to think that this was the guy who's also like, I'm going to make the lovely bones and win even more Oscars. And it's like, maybe, maybe remember your roots. Mr. Beatles, man, you know, rightno like you will be in this movie. No way. Right. So you cannot be in this movie. but all that wait right yeah oh know but But like we settle for Mark Wahlberg, right? If I remember correctly,
01:03:03
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Yeah, it was a bad movie, yeah. That movie had everything, everything going for it. I mean, yeah, like when Stanley Tucci needs to be reined in, you're not doing your job. Like when there's too much Tucci, you're like- Too much Tucci. Do you think Peter Jackson's ever gonna be nominated for an Oscar again?
01:03:21
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you would have to like make a movie again, right? Like you have to you would have to, listen that's what could could he, could he, this what are the odds of him getting winning for documentary for something as opposed to winning? any the beatles thing right That's that's it exactly. Yeah. So that would seem to be like where I suspect his interest at the moment.
01:03:37
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I do also feel like maybe the Hobbit like killed any enthusiasm for the art of making fictional narratives. It's almost like you make one incredible, perfect ah genre trilogy. You shouldn't go back and make another trilogy that takes place beforehand because it's just going to absolutely suck the life out of you of ever wanting to make movies again. Yeah, you should like go make an airwolf movie starring Matt Damon and Tom Holland or whatever, you know. um I think we might see kind of like a Shyamalan-esque resurgence from Peter Jackson, where he's just like, hey, what if I just make a schlocky little horror movie again? No pressure, no nothing. We love that. But Jack, the way that that works for Shyamalan, Shyamalan mortgages his property and then makes the movie using what he got for the mortgage. If Peter Jackson mortgages his property, he still makes a movie as big as Lord of the Rings.
01:04:32
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one And Shyamalan's smart, because now he's like, oh, wait a minute, if I just cast my daughter, that's two paychecks for this movie. Boom. Yeah. And I'm a good dad. You learn from the school of Paul W.S. Anderson. yeah yeah Happy birthday, sweetie. Lady Raven. Yeah. And then like he, while he was also producing his other daughter's directorial film in the west of Ireland, which I like, that's when he met Josh Hart and he made Josh Hart fly out to the west of Ireland to meet him because he was producing his other daughter's directorial debut on West Ireland. I don't know anything. Is it cool? Is it cool over there? The British used to have a saying to hell or to conduct. It's, it's fun. Like it's, it's the most Irish place because it is the least settled place when it came to like the occupation. So it's the one that most retains its culture. It is harsh and, but it is beautiful. It is some, one of the most beautiful place on earth. I love it so much. If you, if you describe somewhere in America as the most American place, I'd be like, I probably don't want to go there.
01:05:33
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like like the Irish language exists, like pretty much in the west of Ireland because it was so untouched by the British because they didn't want it because there was a real sense of like, and they colonized the nation and they were like, except that bit, that bit, you know, that's where traders go or that's like, we'll just, it'll sort of self out in a couple of hundred years, but yeah, it's it's too harsh and too beautiful.
01:05:59
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But it's windswept, beautiful, um very green hills. It's on the Atlantic coast. It's gorgeous. And she's a Venezuelan. Okay. Perfect. And apparently it's where a friend of the show snake the gardens from. So there you go. think through so I spent eight years there. Yeah. I spent eight years in Saigon. It's great. Saigon. Sligo.
01:06:20
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This is the beginning of apocalypse now. You're staring up the ceiling. There's a fan going around.
01:06:28
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ah It's waiting for an order, any order, to hell or to collect, it said. No, you touched on the descent earlier, though. And I think the descent in movies even like, God, what was as above so below the found footage like movie going into the catacombs. Yeah, under Paris. I think those movies have a really great visceral fear of, you know, if you're a fear of like tight spaces and if you have claustrophobia, movies like tackle that like extremely well. And that's something that that fear I think comes across.
01:07:03
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Especially if you see it like in a movie theater more than like, Oh, I don't like spiders and this movie's got spiders. Like, I don't know. It doesn't really do anything. Whereas like a well filmed tight space that's getting smaller and smaller. Ooh, that'll do it. Sound mixing as well. Like again, who knows the genre that works really well with just sound mixing. Cause what you do is you turn off the camera and you turn on the sound and you just have the best time. But I mean, worst, legitimate nightmare. Deadly night gives me very claustrophobic.
01:07:35
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What was the tagline for that? You'll never look at a shish kebab the same way again. Let me just see if that was the actual tagline. There's a very similar like like the tagline. anyway Two more shopping days till Christmas. Oh, that might be a deadly night too. Oh, okay. the more started with the They started with the taglines and worked their way backwards from there.
01:07:58
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Um, Jesse, do you got any sickos, only sickos, only records? Hmm. Um, well, probably have any, I guess more off of like Darren was saying, um,
01:08:11
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I would say like Stuart Gordon films, um, like from beyond reanimated dolls, do dolls, very good guy. I want to write here. Um, Kath, Kath's a freak is even funny. And that's just like, Hey, let's run around in a, in a castle for a day and make a movie. Um,
01:08:36
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and Not not gory at all, but his he he did this like 30 minute short film um called kids safe the video, which is a ah it's like a like a kind of like a heart piece, but not really um about like, hey, don't leave your kid home alone. And there's like Dracula and Jason Voorhees is in it. And this the kid is clearly like 30 years old and she's supposed to be like five.
01:09:03
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And she's like, oh, should I not stick my hand in the toaster? And Dracula's like, no, do it.
Halloween PSA and Nostalgic Memories
01:09:10
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as you ah but also like being for It is like the best 30 minutes of like a VHS quality like PSA, like Halloween kind of thing. And it's fantastic. Like it's it's definitely nothing like dolls or like reanimator, but like anything Stuart Gordon does.
01:09:32
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ah Like robot jocks like I'm i'm here for it Speaking of ah the PSA thing just randomly triggered like a ah memory you guys remember the the I think it might have been anti-drug PSA cartoon that had like the Ninja Turtles and like it was almost like an Avengers of different cartoon characters it was like a 30-minute thing that I remember watching in like elementary school and had like the Care Bears in it and he's like eighties characters. Yeah, it was like if Kingdom Hearts was ah trying to get you to not smoke reefer. I like that. I like that. This is like this is eighties children media returning the favor to Ronald Reagan for deregulation. Like, OK, we'll contract out to Nancy for half an hour. like what doesn't Nancy's calling in a favor, Transformers.
George Romero's 'The Amusement Park'
01:10:16
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yeah um
01:10:17
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What we, myself and Jack covered was at the amusement park, which is the, um, yes, the, what's his name? The guy who did the dead trilogy. Um, Ramiro, George Ramiro is like PSA about like Alzheimer's and elder abuse, which is just wonderfully unsettling and delightfully effective.
01:10:34
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It is the most fascinating thing. And I know it was, it was lost media for a long, long time. And so, you know, we, we found this piece with this film, quote unquote, which is literally just a PSA about getting older and elder abuse, but one of the most unsettling things you will ever watch. Where did you find this? yeah It was restored. Was it, who was it? Mubi restored it, I think.
01:11:03
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or was it shutter ah might have been sugar yeah as let's just say it was toby it was Not until the check clears, Marty. This is a, this sounds incredible. yeah It's great. It's great. It's incredibly well made. Like it is one of the best made PSAs I've ever seen. Absolutely. Uh, yes. Uh, let's see here. they They call it a psychological horror film, ah but it was commissioned by the Lutheran service society of Western Pennsylvania as an educational of film about elder abuse as distributed by shutter.
01:11:38
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incredible. And it is. Imagine being there like when they're like rubbing their hands together saying, okay, so he was, so George is going to show us the film today. We've got a real Hollywood director here. I can't wait to see what he's done with the Lutheran mission thorns that we've given him. That must be the girls that have ever been clutched in a theater. Yes. Uh, Eric, it is called the amusement park.
01:12:02
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And, um, uh, it has, uh, once, uh, once you see a hold on, hopefully Eric will show kind of the, the box or the poster, the box art in a moment. Uh, it, there it is. Once you see that, maybe you'll recognize it. It is not a movie. It is, it is called a movie. It is definitely not a movie. It's only 54 minutes long and it is, uh, it is a horror movie though. It is not a movie, but it is a horror movie if that makes any sense. And at the very least, it is not the thing the Lutheran Church thought it was going to be. So was it just an excuse for him to like hang around a amusement park for like a few days? but Right. but know Again, Ramiro, like we see, the Ramiro very famously did not get properly compensated because he didn't copyright like Night of the Living Dead and he didn't copyright the American concept of zombies. So I imagine he was very happy to get paid to just film
01:12:57
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whatever it was he was doing in the way that interested him. The fact that they were like, will I have final cut? And the Lutheran mission is like, sure, we can't see any way that will backfire. Yeah, it's about zombies, a white zombie. You know, there's a white zombie. Yeah, that's what it goes to, isn't it? That's what it goes to. Yeah, it's one of like the first instances of like independent horror. And the cinematography is just absolutely beautiful in it.
01:13:24
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And like it was a film that obviously when it came out, people were like, what the hell is this is like crap. But like now people are looking back and you're like, you know, it's not that because then it gets like proper transfers and and whatnot. The Carnival of Souls. Is that the one I'm thinking of? The 1962 film, which is similar, like independent, she which is again, very I quite enjoyed as well. Very atmospheric. Another example of early horror independent cinema.
01:13:50
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Um, I don't know how to pronounce the name as Jack Torner films. One of some I've been watching recently too. Uh, like on that same line of like super atmosphere, like the cat people. I just got this on criterion. Uh, cat people, the zombie. Yeah. Yep.
01:14:13
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Which one? valutin production belllutin Yeah. Genie. I want an incredible send you two to the criterion closet to that roving criteria. Can we just do a heist like heat? Can we just do a heat on the criteria?
01:14:27
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you oh my god there's a policeer in here that free poster um well sir Everything's coming up, Jesse. I'm to go mobile. like like they they will they go It's a kind cat and there are people. think they got both had two tattoo goals and they got both of dead you did it I'm jam through some super chats and then we can talk about stuff we've been watching currently. And some of the stuff we've been watching currently is probably also going to be spooky and, and, and Elvis off there. Also, I want to talk about Agatha.
01:15:00
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Let me tell you that. I'm aboard the Agatha train. Oh, I have not watched the the latest episodes of Agatha. I'm way behind. It got good. and okay All right. Pure Pyro with a with a two euro don't know from the beginning. Thank you so much. What's the weirdest monster you've seen in a film? Preacher from the Haunted Sea. What's that guy's deal?
01:15:21
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um He looks like a seaweed cookie monster. Okay. Sounds pretty good. I like it. It's from like the fifties. I believe it's our, there may be like early sixties, late fifties. It's no, I want to say late fifties. It's like a Roger Corman film. And he was just like, fake spot up he's like oh it is the most ridiculous thing I could possibly think of in a horror film. The strangest creature I've ever seen is William Defoe. I just walk his own.
01:15:55
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front of the show. I was going to say the lettuce. Anybody remember the lettuce? Killer rabbits. Yeah. Um, I don't, I, I love Shin Godzilla, but the Godzilla with the the big odd Godzilla is the little googly eyes yeah a googler rolling around on the ground. That's a great, that's a great little monster. I feel so sorry for him. He's the rare Godzilla I truly feel sorry for. It's like, yeah.
01:16:27
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Oh, no. ah got inn god solid Oh, we thought you got Shin Godzilla. You're back. No. Sorry, I'm back. Also, we talked last week about substance, but substance got a good little good little creature. Oh, yeah. Yeah. that's good so great Yeah. Yeah. my Yeah. And that's on a movie from Thursday. I think it's on Halloween. There were these. Oh, nice. Really? That's a movie fair.
01:16:54
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We don't talk about booby here. We don't talk about tubey. We're not only tubey in this asshole. I can't talk about Scooby Doo. No other boobies. Tommy Salty, thank you so much. 11 months in the tip jar and then followed it up with 10 Polish zลoty. Man freak beast, horse lady sarcophagus.
01:17:13
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Uh, yes, that is, uh, these are the things you will be yelling if you watch a devil story available now on Tubi, you will yell those things and it will make sense to you, not to the movie. You can also scream them to trigger the winter soldier into assassinating a political cat.
01:17:32
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um Great thing to say a couple of weeks before the election, Marty, and get us on a watch list. Let's think of the garden with a 2 euro dono. Thank you so much. The guard is mine. I guess it's Galloway Rain, which equals October.
01:17:50
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The guard that was, uh, burning, burning Jason and, uh, that's John Martin McDonough, isn't it? Yep. Um, and yeah, yeah, yeah yeah which is good. And Mark Strong's in there as well. It's it really, really liked this. A really good like slice of West Ireland life. yeah Um, I liked it much better than Calvary, which is the follow-up that he made, which was, uh, set in Sligo as opposed to Galway Calgary, uh, cavalry, not Calgary. I've been to Calgary humble brag, been to Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
01:18:19
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Uh, sir, Georgia Lucas with two euros. Thank you so much. I know what you did last summer. Please discuss. They don't make them like they used to, except that they're remaking it. So reboot again, aren't they? Yeah. They're, they're, they're sequelizing legacy, sequelizing it. Um, oh I did watch for the first time last year and I got, I was expecting to be like just really bad teen flock or whatever, but you know, pretty good.
01:18:43
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Yeah. Yeah. Charismatic like a cast of like it was a bunch of hot young people at the time that everyone liked. um I think like though it was what we the lesson we learned because it's a fine. It's a fine slasher movie. Really good premise. Really fun. um You know, hot young cast. The thing that I think the the takeaway if we're going to extrapolate data is we like a character because it was I know what you did last summer versus scream. Right. Yeah. And scream has the ghostface killer.
01:19:12
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And that wins because we can remember the Ghostface killer. Yeah, I know he's. your guys hand This is Hookhan Fisherman. Yeah, last summer was pre-scream, so he gets he gets some credit there. Oh, sure. But it doesn't matter because it's a recognizable killer.
Merchandisable Horror Villains Debate
01:19:29
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Your killer needs to be merchandiseable. Yeah. Got a hook, Jackie. What more do you want? Like, that's a real like, again, to to be pre-scream. It's like he got a hook.
01:19:39
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Yeah, but is he going to be Ghostface killers in like Mortal Kombat and Call of Duty? Yeah. I know we did last summer's skin. Also, Candy Man is like ease up. Get back in your lane. It's like can you sell an official Halloween costume of a hook hand from I know what you did last summer? The answer is no. Oh, you're like Captain Hook? Yeah, I am. So not a pirate.
01:20:05
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fascinating Jesse, did you watch I Still Know What You Did Last Summer, which has one of the most insane twists in the history of cinema? I still have not watched what I know you did, I thought you did last It's not a good, it's a very bad movie, but it does have a moment that I give the movie credit for, which is like, a character is asked a question early on in a movie and they get the answer wrong. And they, everybody acts as if they got it right. And I, as a viewer, I'm like, wait, does the person writing this script not actually know the answer to the question they asked? And then the big reveal at the end is like, you fucking idiots. You didn't know the answer to that very obvious question. Um,
01:20:50
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I'm like, it wouldn't exist with cell phones because it'd be like, let me just look it up. Let me just Google the answer to that question. Um, it was one of those things where I was like, because the movie is so badly constructed, I'm like, maybe the
Chat GPT and 'Scream' Trivia
01:21:02
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writer just doesn't know the right answer to the question. Yeah. They did that in a, it was a scream for, or like five. i I think it was fiber. She's like looking at her phone, talking to a ghost face, looking at the answers.
01:21:15
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That's how you should. If you ever get a call from Ghostface, just check GPT. That's fine. Yeah. just chatyep be I love the idea of like chat GPT in Ghostface. Ghostface to try to kill somebody realize he's talking to an AI. He's like, Oh, you got me. Who was the killer in the first, like, what was it? The first Friday, the 15th that it would come back with. It was obviously Helen Meyers and Ghostface just doesn't know what to do with that. Like so wrong. But with such confidence I Think the garden with another two euros. Thank you so much October equals Hitchcock season with my dad. The birds is so good ah what what What would you if you had to if you had to recommend one Hitchcock movie?
Hitchcock Film Recommendations
01:22:00
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I'm a big rear window man fan. I like just being a freak and breaking my leg and looking out the window, seeing what people got going on there. You can't look at the window without breaking a leg. Marty, I hate to break it. So much better looking. Yeah. I'm a big rear window fan.
01:22:16
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Um, uh, North by Northwest. Yeah. Incredible. Like just the right answer. it's well no ah There's no there's the real thing, but like, you know, if you're going to choose one, like to me, that's, that's a, when, when I think Hitchcock, that's what I think.
01:22:33
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Yeah, I think so. too Oh, yeah. Oh, see. to go and say All of these are great answers. And those might be the Mount Rushmore hanging off. I'm about to say like, yeah, it's like Harry Grant hanging off like the nose of psycho. Yes, I like I'm a sucker for for a single shot. So what is his foe? Single shot with rope.
01:22:53
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rope which is incredible. Like again, rope is, and did you, you obviously watch the X-Files, you saw a triangle, which is the six season episode, the X-Files, which is like, it's, but it's, it's so clever because the problem with rope is that like physically the camera can only hold about 10 minutes worth of real.
01:23:09
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yeah So he like Hitchcock has to constantly go like go behind something or push into something to allow him to cut like a 10 minute shot in. Obviously nowadays with digital, you can just keep rolling theoretically, although obviously you still do it because it's very difficult to do two hours continuous shooting. um But like the X-Files did this and did it brilliantly because Carter realized that 10 minutes is the length of an act of television.
01:23:32
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So he'll have to like put the ad breaks anyway. So he can like, he can cut at each of the ad breaks and it can still be like a one take episode television. It's just the perfect fusion of like form and medium. It's beautiful. Anyway, sorry, use beautiful commercials to your advantage. Uh, speaking of one takers, a new one taker just dropped on shutter, uh, like a week ago, French zombie movie called Mads M A D S Mads. Uh, it's not a documentary about Mickelson. No.
01:24:00
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I wish. Every time I was trying to Google it afterwards, i kept gi I was like, Mads movie, and it was like another round. Mads, here you go. ah it is a single As far as I know, it is a single shot, ah because I looked a little bit of the making of, and they said they filmed it five different times over the course of five nights and went with the fifth one.
01:24:20
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ah But it is, it starts with a, it's like a French, like ah a rich kid who goes to buy drugs from his drug dealer. And on his way home, a girl stumbles out of the woods and she's just like babbling and she's terrified and she's kind of bloodied. And he so he picks her up, but he's also very high. And so he's all worried and he picks her up. And then from there, things go very poorly. And it turns out he's in the middle of a zombie invasion, but he's also turning into a zombie.
01:24:47
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It is nice. We rarely get to spend time with a character from the moment they get infected to going full zombie. And so I like a movie that allows us to spend that chunk of time with someone and see what it's like over the course of 20 minutes. I am sold on that art that Eric is showing us for, man. It's good. That is a beautiful thumbnail that 100% sells me on watching this movie. Human on top, zombie on the bottom. My favorite haircut.
01:25:16
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ah yeah ah it's a mu zombie movie the moment is out it's nice It's a nice, it's like a tight 90 as well, so if you're saving out of your life, that's great. Good stuff, right? I don't know where that, oh, single shot, that's where that came from. ah Plastic roses with a $5 dono, thank you so much. Monster House is my favorite Halloween movie. It holds up so well. It's a fun one.
01:25:39
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That's a good one. Yeah. That's the Dreamworks animation one. Am I? Yeah. I think Dan Harmon and Rob Schwab. Yep. Yep. That's a real good one. Also shout out to para Norman. Yeah. Yeah. Most of the like a ones to be fair. Um, like, cause yeah, correct. Correct. But James, the giant peach also count as well. Like it was kind of creepy. What are you doing? Oh my God. There's a big worm.
01:26:02
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who I always think of Air Norman and Monster House very synonymously. They came out close-ish together within a year or two. I have no concept. But two great family-friendly Halloween watches. Absolutely. I was a little disappointed by the one that came out a year or two ago with Ian Peele, Wendell.
01:26:25
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Wendell and Wilde. Wendell and Wilde. Yeah. I was a little disappointed. I don't know if I saw that one. That is like five different movies smushed together. Like I was, I was a little underwhelmed by it as well. It feels like every idea Henry Selleck has had in the past 20 years. And it's like, I don't know if I'm going to get to make another one of these. So in it goes.
01:26:43
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like This bag is 20 pounds? No, it's five. Well, it's going to take 20. All the ingredients were there for something I should love, ah but I did not love it. yeah um George Lucas, one of our two euros. Thank you so much. Silly horror films. The Happening, Dead Silence, and Slither. Happening and my Shyamalan, arguably his worst movie.
01:27:03
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um yeah i now mean avatar Okay, that's gonna say is avatar are the last airbender are if it is on Avatars on my list of movies much like the first Silent Hill movie if it's on at a bar with no sound It's fine. if You're just looking at it once's a while he's like oh they're doing cool Kicks yeah right Yeah, uh, Slither, that's the early, uh, James. gone I actually really liked Slither. I don't know. Like it has, is it, what's his face? The guy from body double gets really big as a Greg Henry. That's the guy. It's Greg Henry gets really big. What Greg Henry choose? ramper Yeah. you need two first names I actually don't know dead silence. I just looked it up.
01:27:45
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um I don't know. It's James Wan, early James Wan. Yeah, it's because that's not the dummy one. No, wait. Yeah, that's his killer dummy movie because like James Wan has this incredible career where like people forget that between like Saul and the conjuring, he was making movies pretty consistently. So he also has the what's the is a death sentence with like Kevin Bacon or it's just like death wish but with Kevin Bacon. He has this run of movies where he's just like knocking him out and they are mostly fine.
01:28:16
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But then all of a sudden he starts making billion dollar movies and everyone's like, yeah, James Wan, cool. um Don't make a second Aquaman. Please don't make a second. Not the worst superhero movie of last year, Marty. Like ah like this, is the this is the thing where it's like, Darren is defending Joker folly. I'm like, no, it's just like the best superhero movie of the year. So far it is not a good movie. Aquaman two is award winning. Yeah.
01:28:43
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Besides, yeah, Aquaman, Lost Kingdom, not the worst movie of 2023. Not the worst superhero. We live in a world where we could add his trench movie. I just want to just take me down to that trench. I want to see what's going on down there. Sussy Guru with a five-year-old don't know. Thank you so much, Sussy. Jack, congratulations to you and RLM for scoring international Hollywood superstar Rich Evans. Jack Wade was also there.
01:29:06
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It was, I mean, listen, anytime ah Rich comes to town and we get to shoot with celebrity, Rich Evans is a treat. I will take it. You know, ah other Jack. It's fine. Jack's one. You know what? Jack White seems delightful. Here's here's a a hot piece of gossip. Jack White, delightful. Delightful. I like your stories where people are delightful. I get bummed when I hear stories that people aren't delightful.
01:29:32
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One of the most consistent things I have heard from everybody is Jack Quaid is delightful. Like it's, yeah, it's yeah one of those. Yeah. Like everybody's like, Hey, you want to know something cool? Jack Quaid pretty cool. I think it was the best part of stream five.
01:29:46
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so that's right about that know So he he was ah a yeah delight. They just great to hang out with. And, you know, a wonderful episode. Go watch devil story. There you go. That's that's what we've that's what we've circled the drain on that one.
01:30:03
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yeah John Brooks with a 20 pound, oh no, thank you so much, John Brooks, Jesse on Rewind, and it's not even my birthday. Take my money, gents. And we all know the scariest horror movie ever made was Return to Oz, opening with electroshock on Dorothy, a head swooping queen, and pumpkin head as a sidekick.
01:30:21
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Remember when Disney made movies like that? Like, remember when Disney was like, we're going to take the rights to the odds franchise, one of the most beloved children's movies of all time, and just make this. Yeah, those like du with the wheels like on their hands and feet yeah around that would mess you up. But that fucking the open ring villains. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Ozz Ozz. Souls like when? Right. You do it. I i mean, I don't want to spoil it, but.
01:30:53
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that's clearly in production.
01:30:59
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I'm not going to spoil it if somebody in chat knows what I'm talking about. Yes, and Oz Souls like is in production clearly. You know what, I'm not gonna spoil it. I'm not gonna spoil it. Oh, it's actually fine that you don't know Jack. You shouldn't know Jack. Steve Chat knows. Jack shouldn't know. Casey knows, because Casey's the one that told me about it. It's not like a Ubisoft thing. Jesus Christ, what did I do? Did I say anything? Did I start? I did not say any of that.
01:31:29
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oh
01:31:32
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Which I would have not said anything. Some day all of this will make sense. Some day we can go back to this moment and it's like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Hey, we got wicked to look forward to. We got wicked. Why does that movie look so fucking ugly? What are we doing? yeah you see ah You've seen the behind the scenes photos. They built sets, which look great. They've got like makeup, which looks great. But for some reason they're grading it as if it's going to be watched on the poorest wifi imaginable. yeah um Amazingly bad. It looks amazingly bad and also amazingly generic at the same time. Yeah. I just want to go into into screenings in the last five minutes to hear how many people are like what the fuck is when they realize it's the first half of a movie. Here's the thing, though, right? It's it's defying gravity. It's presumably going to end with defying gravity, right? And it's like, why do you need to come back for part two? I say I love Wicked. I'm a big fan of Wicked the musical. But like when you hit defying gravity,
01:32:27
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If I don't have to come back after that intermission, I'm probably not going to. I'm back in my seat because the intermission is like 10 minutes. The intermission is two years. I'm like, I'm, I'm home and I'm busy. You know, um dare that would be the caddiest I have ever heard you about a movie or a musical. And I love it. I'm here for it. but What if it turns out he was like a really catty musical critic? A music musical critic? I can't get him to Broadway. I seem to start tearing these fools apart. Myself and his, it was Leslie, was it not Leslie Manville, but from like Birdman. Leslie Duncan. There you go. Fungus Finder, the $2 don't know. I'm going to jam through some super chats and then we
01:33:15
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I think he's referencing the fact that we aren't actually jamming through super chats. We kind of go off on dungeons. And then, uh, quintuple a with the file order. I don't know. Thank you so much, quintuple Darren. If you're looking for a nice short video game, I would recommend metaphor, refan to asio on PS five. Don't listen to him. He's lying. let's say I saw the reply and like people were like troll and I'm like, that's mean. but Yeah.
01:33:41
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Yeah. Don't take advantage of my lack of knowledge of video games. I got a nice short movie for you. It's called The Decalogue. Oh, okay. i Don't worry about it. Um, because it's 10 minutes. it's It's one log per minute. Exactly. It's one log per minute. Uh, okay.
01:33:59
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What have, what have, what have we been watching? I kind of want to start with that. So his metaphor Fantastio Long is what I'm getting from this. Oh yeah. It's like a hundred hours. It's like a hundred hour RPG. Yeah. Jesus. Okay. But do not play that game. It's about the same people make Persona, which Nick has been slowly streaming over the course of like four years. Um, so yeah. What does Nick do when he finishes Persona?
01:34:21
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It's of old age. Yeah. Exactly. ah let's i want I want to start a little just touching on Agatha because I think that is a show that has slowly built into... um that's That's one of my favorite MCU... It might be just below the Loki's and Ms. Marvel in terms of like my favorite things on the MCU. And the last two episodes have been like really, really incredible.
01:34:44
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They're up to episode seven now, I believe. I believe the final two are going up this week. Oh, very nice. So it is wrap this week. Yeah, the I was I was talking to someone recently because because I agree that so far seven episodes in ah it is delight delightful. It has a ah great October vibe to it. Really good characterization. The first episode and a half um ah are a little too marvel for me. And I like the Marvel stuff, um but I was watching. I was watching the first episode with my kid and they're like, this is a Marvel movie. And then right when he said that, like people start shooting lasers and, you know, like getting pushed all around a room and he goes, so oh, yeah, we don't need that. Once it gets done with the Marvel ship part, it's delightful.
01:35:37
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Yeah, honestly, my favorite stuff is where it's just not referencing like write the rest of it. Even though i did like the I did like the episode, that was all the backstory on ah Billy, Billy, Billy Witch. What's his last name? Billy, the surname, Billy Maximal, if I'm guessing, yeah. Billy Maximal. Billy Maximal, that's like Shabam, right? that' That's correct. And also, yeah.
01:36:00
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Uh, but I liked his, his, his whole backstory I thought was like really, really great. And then last week's episode, which, um, without spoiling, uh, was all primarily focused on the, the Patti LuPone character was like, uh, uh, this is not an insult. It's a store brand version of the lost episode, the constant, but the constant is literally one of the greatest episodes of TV ever. yeah yeah And so, uh, I thought it was, I thought it was really great. And I'm really excited to see where these last two episodes go. And yeah, if you like horror, like,
01:36:30
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Every episode, it's essentially about this group of witches who are going down this trial called the Witches Road, and every episode, they have to pass a new trial. And the trials, a lot of times, are themed around different ah ah decades or like horror movie motifs. And so you have the 80s kids in a cabin motif one week. You have like 70s glam rock band in a recording studio one week. um This recent episode was almost like a take on like ah sort of Disney fantasy princes and princesses in a trapped in a castle kind of thing. Specifically Disney witches.
01:37:03
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Yeah, yeah, it's the credits are so weird because you watch the credits and it's like all the Disney witches and they're like here's Lisa Simpson i'm like credits What are you doing here? technically Technically, technically I mean one of like I've only watched the first reps as I will have admit I tapped out of after the first four episodes I think watching as Jack said the first episode episode and a half back-to-back did kind of set my enthusiasm but But like there is also like the clear thematic union of women with knowledge have long men branded witches. I think that is like, as much as the, she's wearing a witch costume, I think that is kind of the connection that the credits are making there, which is Lisa Simpson, the character in the Simpsons, who is both always correct and always annoying and always treated as like annoying and always ignored is very much, I think a deliberate point of pop culture reference there, I think.
01:37:54
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Absolutely. yeah absolutely yeah Even if you don't go back to watch the whole thing, Darren, I'd recommend watching last week's episode. It's pretty good. I will go back. so I mean, I'll get to it before the weekend, but I will get there.
01:38:05
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Yeah. No. And you know, like something that I think is really lovely, that very, very kind of almost like outside of talking about the show. I think it's, it's great, great characters, great, great vibes. But ah one of the strengths of streaming television is they are not locked into any particular time. An episode needs to be, you know, an episode does not need to be exactly 22 minutes long. So it can fit in eight minutes of commercials.
01:38:32
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And there are some episodes that are 30 minutes. There are some episodes that are 50 minutes there. And it's a wide range because the the joy of streaming television is the episode is as long as it needs to be. yeah And I think they do a really great job where if it didn't need to be longer than 30, it's not. And if this story takes 50 minutes to tell, we're going to tell it in 50 minutes. And I really, really enjoy that.
01:38:59
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I completely agree. I do think that can be a double-edged sword though if used incorrectly. um yeah I would say ah Ted Lasso was an example that of something that used it incorrectly. The half-hour sitcom that like every episode was 50 minutes long. By the end, like episodes were like 65 minutes. What are we doing?
Nostalgia for Abrupt Horror Endings
01:39:17
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Aren't isn't the average episode of Stranger Things going to be a feature length movie next season? ah I mean, we I mean, it's same thing with like all these like hard. I mean, you're saying with like Terrifier being like way too long. What's like doesn't need to be that long is sometimes and ah watching Dracula. That's, you know, 70 minutes perfectly fine. I do like ah all those old, I tend to watch Sven Gooley on the weekends, which is like a Chicago based show where where the the the hosts show a horror movie and then spoof and goof in the middle of it, um give you some context. But it's so funny how old horror movies, they'll crescendo and then they'll just end.
01:39:57
Speaker
Like you get to the end and it just fucking ends in the credits roll. I'm like, Oh, there was no, like, there's no montage afterwards of the characters healing from their trauma. There's no happy conclusion or graceful camera pans across an empty schoolyard. It's like, no, if you're lucky, you get the guy from psycho who shows up and explains what you just saw and then like wraps his hands as we're done here. They treat their audience with respect. They go, Hey, movies over, get the hell out.
01:40:24
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well treating their audience with respect maybe of back in the day film was expensive and so we are not shooting anything we don't have to yeah that is that is the digital logic of it yeah you can now just keep the camera rolling yeah and because you're projecting on video and because you're projecting digitally as well the reels also that you're printing don't have to be as large you know i it says it's just a disc like have you seen the brutalist The film canisters for The Brutalist, the as a yeah Bradley Corbett movie, which, but basically the the film canisters for it's four hours long. So the like 35 millimeter canisters almost have to be lifted by forklift like the Oppenheimer IMAX prints.
01:41:05
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got know So if I am, I am, I am all, I am all in on the proof. A mid movie piss and not missing anything. oh no no like They have an interval. They're, they're putting an interval and they're bringing intervals back. It'll has an overture as well, I believe. I'm just like, forget this at all not decadence I'm like decadence baby indulge movie about the American dream. That's fine.
01:41:27
Speaker
And architecture. um and architect we need to like it' it' It's the sequel to Megalopolis. i it it Like, it's like, for mine, I'm in. you yeah What if the twist is that it takes place in modern day? Adrian Brody. All Adrian Brody movies take place in modern day. thanksla ah That makes the pianist a weird movie. I was about to say the pianist puts a pretty dark spin on it, right? Absolutely. You know what? and Not the worst thing he's ever done.
01:41:54
Speaker
We're just, we're just, we're just soliciting everyone. That's Barry. We're not, I bet say we're not talking about Adrian Brody. I feel the need to clarify that. Yeah. Probably shouldn't have, probably shouldn't have kissed Halle Berry on stage without asking her, but you know, to talk about like film quality stuff makes me think of all the people that want like a 4k, like 28 days later. It's like, Oh God. Yeah. The movie is just like 480. Yeah. I mean, like I'm watching Lynch stuff at the moment. I watched like in England, inland empire, the 4k restoration can really see the VHS crane. The movie that he famously shot on a Sony store bought camcorder just to see if he could do it. Um, yeah, there we go. Thank you. Yeah. That's who that is. Yeah. Uh, Darren, do you, uh,
01:42:46
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you Do you want to chat Venom real
Critique of 'Venom' and Spider-Verse Films
01:42:48
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quick? That was a big movie for him. It feels like it was years ago, but Venom did not come out years ago. 2018, I believe. Well, I mean, again, so i mean that um i saw it in theaters it feels like i saw a year ago even though i believe it was like it's like been less than a week ago. mar that's how quickly it's left my system wow sold it as well yeah it's not a good movie um like this is the thing where it's like honestly i think let there be carnage is fun but the like venom sandwich is not a pleasant experience to work your way through
01:43:20
Speaker
The Reuben Fleischer venom is just bad it's not like good bad is not enjoyable bad it's like it's hampered by the fact that like it is trying to be a quote unquote serious superhero movie with real stakes and with like real drama and Reuben Fleischer is a director who cannot cut action together to save his life I quite like zombie land.
01:43:39
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but he is not an action director. So whenever the movie tries to do an action scene, you just end up with a migraine. Um, but like Tom Hardy works really well. And finally they've given Tom Hardy a screen partner worthy of Tom Hardy. It is a CGI Tom Hardy. Um, but like,
01:43:55
Speaker
That works, I think Let There Be Carnage works. I actually had a ah rewatch Let There Be Carnage. It's amazing how much better that looks than either of the Venom movies either side of it. Like it looks really good. It gets the right tone in terms of just being a stupid rom-com with like larger than life performances where Woody Harrelson is constantly trying to out-wig himself. You know, if Tom Hardy's perfect scene partner is Tom Hardy, Woody Harrelson's- You mean aside from his wig he had?
01:44:24
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and remember a venom one yeah Yeah. No, he never gets that height again, quite literally. Cause it's a very tall wig, but like throughout, like let there be carnage. He's constantly like, he has at one stage a comb forward wig and a comb back wig. And it's great. Cause it's like, it feels like he cannot settle on like, which is the most convincing look that he has, but like, let there be carnage is fun. It gives you a moment where like, is it, um,
01:44:48
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Five-time Academy Award nominee, Michelle Williams, like ends up flirting with a CGI Tom Hardy. And I'm like, I'm i'm in with this. And then the problem with like the last dance is just bad. It's just, it's incoherent. It's trying to do a big epic superhero story.
01:45:04
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It's weirdly trying to do an allegorical comment on immigration and modern American foreign policy. It's also trying to do the end of an era that's kind of elegiac about like where the superhero genre is, where American exceptionalism is, um and it doesn't really work.
01:45:22
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and like I love that Tom Hardy had fun making these movies. And anytime the camera's on Tom Hardy, I can kind of forgive the movie. It's flaws. But the problem with the first venom and the third venom is that there's a bunch of times when the camera's not on Tom Hardy and expects me to be interested in what's happening. And it just doesn't work. Um, and is a character yeah because they fill them with great.
01:45:47
Speaker
Actors yeah who don't do anything it like to tell Ejiofor and Juno Temple in this movie. I'm just like, what well, what are you guys doing? Reese Evans making a second appearance in the Sony Pictures universe of Marvel characters. I'm not sure some mom yeah him and she would tell both of them. Oh, I guess that was insane. No, no, because he was in strange. Yeah, he was in strange. I mean, I didn't paid, yeah which is nice.
01:46:11
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Yeah, i I do appreciate the venom like really the whole like Sony like spider-versing because it feels like if Iron Man was just never made and that like mid 2000s era of like Fantastic Four Daredevil Punisher just like continue you kept going yeah going on this route. So we got like the two timelines going at the same time. oh like I mean. working entirely entirely un-seriously as somebody who, like, I'm not going to argue Madame Webb as a masterpiece or that Morbius is a wonder of American cinema. I am glad these movies exist because they justified the existence of Into the Spider-Verse. Like, the Spider-Verse movies would not exist if Disney owned the copyright to or the licensing of Spider-Man.
01:46:55
Speaker
And therefore if the price i have to pay for getting the spider verse movies is i have to watch madam web and more bs and then i'm one and then i'm three i will accept that i will even go and see craven i will have a very craven christmas. um Like just because they justify the existence of.
01:47:15
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like the Spider-Verse movies, which would never happen under Disney. Also, Craven's going to be good because moviehander and ah well and movies are like wine to where it like ages gracefully. And so this movie was done like several years ago. And so by kicking it, this is like a this is like a vintage 21. So what you're saying is this is this is this is like um it's at the restoration of the other side of the wind, the Orson Welles movie at Netflix. Pierre Bogdanovich was coming in and passed away while cutting on Craven.
01:47:45
Speaker
Yeah. just Someone would just shot a movie and they're like, we're burying it and you can't watch it for a hundred years. yes That's so much on Malkovich, isn't it? it's a like Like the wine movie. Yes, that's exactly the yeah the one movie. Great. But like, yeah, like Cravin, but the thing about Cravin is his JC Shonder, who's like, no, not made a bad movie. Yeah. he Like even like his movies, which are fine, like Triple Frontier are still like well made examples of what they are.
01:48:11
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And every time I see that trailer little a little part of me dies like like they could have just made like Craven's last hunt and like BAM, I would have been happy. Yeah, you know, they don't take the easiest path, do they? The path of most resistance. Yeah, I got to admire him. That's the ah that's the that's the sunny way. Craven never more. Exactly.
01:48:35
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ah have you Have you guys been anything anything else you watched recently worth worth mentioning one way or another? um ah real Real tiny, not spooky related at all, um in case anyone is out of spooky relations. I just watched the first five episodes of High Potential, which is that the new detective ah show starring Caitlin Olsen from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah.
01:49:02
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ah It's a, if you, if you like quirky detectives who have a, you know, hyper focused superpowers, it's the show for you. Cause that's all it is. And it's delightful. It's, it's not going to break any molds. It's not going to shock you. It's it's comfort food for TV watching kids. The vibe is very monk except replace replace monk with a, with a working mom and you got yourselves a high potential. Very good.
01:49:31
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Yeah, i've I've heard really good things from, ah you know who loves it? My normie friends. Yeah. This is a show for the normies. This is a normie show and it's good. Yeah. Yeah. I've also, I haven't watched the new Matlock, but I've heard about what the new Matlock's about and it is not what I thought Matlock would be about. um Explain. by so Kathy Bates.
01:49:49
Speaker
is in is is plays Matlock. ah But matt the Matlock show exists in the world of Matlock, and she gets a job at this ah law firm, but she's not there to help them as Matlock. It turns out that this firm like royally fucked her over in the past, and she's there to undermine them, to sabotage them via Matlocking.
01:50:15
Speaker
Think about that. they That's kind incredible. That is, that is like the the new nightmare of Matlock TV shows. It's right up my yeah must watch this. yeah I have OK. So I'm go I'm not locked in. I have not watched it. And in all fairness, this is how a friend described it to me. OK. So they might be bad at describing things, but the more they were describing it, I was just like, I was like, yes. And what and then what happens? What happens? And so they use Matlock as a verb. She met locks them. And mean I might have been the one who said that she met locked them. Guys, we we work with a Mat Lachlan. Oh. Oh.
01:51:03
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Oh no. Every single. No, that's why he's never on camera because it's actually Kathy Bates. Incredible. There you go. High potential of math. Melok. Matthew. locke Matthew. That's his full name. That's right. That's on his birth search. yeah Matthew. Matthew. Like any. A recent 2024 movie I watched recently, I saw the TV glow.
01:51:31
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that was great. Yeah, which was like, I had not know where that film was going, but I'm like, damn, that really gets like those, those like, but like late nineties vibes, like really strong. And they go to like the mid 2000s. I'm like, this is 2000s, right? It's not still the nineties. Yeah. It's devastating. Like it's beautiful.
01:51:52
Speaker
Devastating. I was so sad. Like at the end, I'm just like in moodm like, man, I'm sad now. I'm like, I don't even know if that was even a horror movie. It's an existential horror movie. It's like the fear of the fear of missing your potential, the fear of missing your moment. Like it's it's like an existential horror film.
01:52:10
Speaker
Well, a classic feel bad movie, which is not a bad thing. There are some movies you want to. I was like, hey, I'm watching this because I want to feel bad. Hell yeah. Whenever I've recommended that to people, I've been like, yeah, just with the caveat of you're not going to have a great night. Make sure you watch it on a high. It's not something you want to watch when you're already pretty low.
01:52:32
Speaker
Um, rewatch the, the Jackal movies. Cause there's a day of a Jackal TV show coming out soon. I can't really, so what's sorry, Eddie Redmayne and the shower. Yeah. Um, I cannot possibly comment on that, but I did watch the 1973 day of the Jackal, which is great. Um, the,
01:52:49
Speaker
when we yeah jack yeah the jacko um the The most meetings I have ever seen in ah and an assassination thriller. um It's the best movie about bureaucracy while dealing with a threat to assassinate the president of France, but it's it's really good. It's one of those movies that gets like the appeal of like assassination movies being like work porn where it's like You're just watching somebody who is so fucking good at their job. They are the highest level of what they do and they are very good at it. And you're taking morality out of the question entirely. You're just like, what if what is the most high pressure job a person could do shooting another person for money?
01:53:26
Speaker
So what is it like to watch somebody who is very good at doing that? And it's really, really effective. And it's really great. The Jackal, the 1997 remake starring Bruce Willis and a whole bunch of wigs, less good. um And Richard Gere's unconvincing Northern Irish accent, ah also are not very good. um But no, but the day of the Jackal of 1973, I would wholeheartedly recommend. I think that's Fred Zinneman. It's very good.
01:53:50
Speaker
Also, if you want a movie about an assassin who's just fucking terrible at his job, the killer, the killer. Yeah. This guy who should be good at his job and he fucks up every time. It's great. It's great because he spends like 10 minutes monologuing about how perfect he is at his job. And the first thing you see him do is fuck up like it's great. It's it's the perfect feature movie. It is literally a movie about what happens when you mess up the perfect shot.
01:54:16
Speaker
And it has my favorite character detail of every morning he orders an Egg McMuffin, sits on a park bench, takes the muffins apart, and just eats the egg in the middle, because it's the quickest way to get protein. I'm like, oh, you're a real sicko. I was on a day one time with a girl, ate got ah a cheese Danish, and ate all around the cheese and and threw it away. What? Yeah.
01:54:42
Speaker
That's like, uh, that's like a level of willpower that I just do not understand. No, that was red flag. That was the biggest, like, like Jerry Seinfeld moment. I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like, what's the deal with this? Like, what do you say there is never a second date? Yeah, that is the correct answer. Uh, like a material.
01:55:04
Speaker
There you go. but True psycho material. Uh, going over the last jamming through the last couple of super chats before we wrap up for the ugly stupid loser with a $5 don't know, no comment. But you know what? I don't think you're ugly and stupid. I think you're pretty good looking and just like regular smart. Yeah. I like that you hedged your comment. I like that. It's like, I can't oversell the compliment. I'm not going to say you're a genius and beautiful. Pretty good looking. Nobody wins that lottery. audience Yeah. We're not trying to portman.
01:55:33
Speaker
Yeah, you're smart. You're smart. Not compared to me, but you're smart. Ray from the band Sugar Ray, Mark McGrath. Is he a smarty? Yeah, he's like a certified genius. Dang it. I don't know why I said certified. You go to genius school and graduate top of your class. He's got a genius level IQ. Imagine going to pub trivia and just getting your ass beat every week by Sugar Ray.
01:55:59
Speaker
Is it is it Dolph Lundgren who has like a masters in linguistics? Yeah, Dr. Dolph Lundgren. Yeah. Yeah. It's a shout out to Dolph, friend of the show. CSI Freak with a five pound dono. Thank you so much. What do you all think of Train to Busan? Jesse on Rewind. Yay. It's an early HPD gift. I'm spooky Halloween, baby.
01:56:21
Speaker
I'm a spooky Halloween baby. I didn't have the A. I thought it was just, I'm spooky Halloween baby. I'm spooky. I'm spooky Halloween baby. Wait, wait. It's me. Spooky Halloween babies. Train to Busan. One of a great modern zombie movies. Zombie movies are tough. Like it's tough to impress me with zombie stuff nowadays. Train to Busan is one of those ones that I did. Anything with trains I'm sold. I like trains too. If I'm going to be honest. Yeah.
01:56:49
Speaker
ah Also, another ah modern a modern foreign zombie movie that I recommend. This was ah a Taiwanese movie from a couple of years ago called The Sadness that just might have the most visceral like gnarly, like, this these are the worst zombies because they're zombies, but they're fucking crazy and they just grab weapons. And so it's just like a zombie attack, but it's just a bunch of crazy dudes with knives.
01:57:14
Speaker
All right. purple I don't like this at all. That's definitely the sadness goes and that's a sicko, sicko, wrecko. Sicko, wrecko. Okay. yeahp and then the brain sturgeon with a six, six Euro don't know. Thank you so much. There's a disc world tabletop RPG coming out in which making puns gives you a mechanical benefit. I want to see a one shot with Jack and Darren as players and, and Jesse. Oh my God. can you imagine ah comp component Absolutely happening. Uh, we will, we will turn that into a funding goal. yeah yeah
01:57:46
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funding A pun. Oh, so we already got points. but Uh, beautiful. Uh, I don't know what Discworld is. Is that Terry Pratchett? That's Terry Pratchett. That's someone where I think his family had been very good at guarding the rights, so we have not been saturated with Discworld adaptations to be fair to them. Only some other families big bathtub full of money. You know what I'm excited for? The War of the Row hero. That's what I'm excited for. Hmm. Yeah. Are you excited for The Hunt for Gollum part one and part two? Although they are two separate movies now, apparently. It's going to be a trilogy. I'm putting your bets now on it.
01:58:28
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So sad. said no i say I just, I just want like Alec Baldwin in a briefing room, trying to track Gollum's journey through middle earth, trying to negotiate with, is it like, it obviously new, new James Earl Jones, but I guess Morgan Freeman in this version of the thing, I guess, just try to explain, you don't understand Gollum. Gollum spent seven years in the Prussian military academy. He's studied Elphin language. We're never going to track him this way. We have to think like a hobbit.
01:58:57
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jesus christ that's jason smi yeah
01:59:04
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<unk> with a 20 pound dono, thank you so much, John. anywhere aware ah Anyone aware of Johnny got his gun. The movie slash book that inspired Metallica's one, a soldier wounded and trapped inside his own body, ah trying to communicate with the outside and remembering his life, Donald Sutherland as Jesus as well. Yeah, that was a Dalton Trumbo book that got turned into a, I believe a Broadway show. um Required reading for me as ah as a kid. Yeah, same. Required reading, yeah.
01:59:32
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Um, yeah. Well, we're sharing it done. So the 1978 invasion of the body snatched, I didn't mention it earlier, but just one of the best horror movies ever made. If you haven't seen that's a good one. Yeah. I watched that earlier this month. Yeah. Um, just got a, just got a 4k. That's yes. Yeah. Oh, very nice. Johnny got his gun. Classic, classic, really like, really wonderful kind of like insight, a little terror, a terrifying in its own right. um ah You know, very slow burn terror as far as a horror goes, but yeah. What do you do if you are catatonic, but can still think, Oh yeah. Gave me the willies. Yeah.
02:00:12
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yeah um Susie guru or the ten euro don't know. Thank you so much Remember that movie where there was a witches in a coven at a hotel and a little boy gets turned into a mouse and ends with all the witches getting turned into mice and stomped to death. That was literally the witches. Yeah, that was ah Robert. smith the robertsbeca yeah anna hathaway right Yeah. And No, watch the original. It's good. The new one is bad the Nicholas rogue. Good. Angelica Houston. Yeah. Yeah. Susie guru is Angelica Houston still live.
02:00:41
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Yes. Okay. I still see her a lot. She's great. Well, the, the Houston kids are generally like around, uh, Danny Houston's there as well, isn't he? I didn't know they were related. Uh, they're both the Johnny Houston's, Johnny Houston's kids. Yeah. Incredible. Did they found the Houston basketball team? There's the, um, did you watch a border campfire? Yeah. You know, the guy without the face, he's also a Houston. He's like a grandson. I don't like the scars guards of America.
02:01:10
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Well, there's Whitney. There's Whitney. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously very closely related to John. Yeah. I believe I and meant SARS guard, but I, what did I mean? SARS guard or s scars guard? I meant the European ones, but I think I actually meant, I actually did the worst. So it's correct. I would yeah actually did Peter's SARS guard. It was great. Uh, Sussy guru or the two Euro dono sounds like people that cut the crust off toast.
02:01:36
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I think that's in the same kind of people who would only eat the Danish around the ring. That's just great. Silly. I found this finder with a $5 dono, thanks so much. A super ripped, super smart scientist named Dolph Lundgren, but y'all would, but y'all, what would the Shyamalan twist in the movie be? ah So if Dr. Dolph Lundgren is like the world's greatest scientist. Yeah. It's an honorary doctorate.
02:02:00
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You got it from, uh, Phoenix university. online This will, what this will be is like the remake of the twilight zone where we see like this hot, smart dude, but then all the other doctors take their masks off and they're like horrifying pig people and they call it all ugly. Oh, that's great. Yes. Yeah. Except they're not pigs. They're dolphins. Oh.
02:02:24
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Yes. And so it's like, we get all these like very smart, you know, like we get Dolph, we get Natalie Portman, we get all these very smart, like attractive people. I'm from Sugar Ray. I'm from the Mark McGrath, Mark McGrath, Sugar Ray himself. And then, but they're the ugly ones and we all have to sit and think about that.
02:02:42
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Think about it. This is how we're gonna band. We're leaving everyone out of some real thought-provoking material today, which is great. By the way, you know the physicist Brian Cox, not the star of Succession Brian Cox, but the physicist Brian Cox. He was the pianist. Okay, well, he may be a British celebrity, but yeah, basically he was the piano player in D-Ream. That's one of my favorite facts, is that one of the greatest physicists in British pop culture was, during the early 90s, a piano player in a synth band.
02:03:12
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I love it. I don't like it when people are too talented. You know what? Just get one talent, roll with it. Don't be good at everything. Leave some for the rest of us. Don't be greedy. You have to be greedy. Don't be greedy. All right. That's going to do it for us today on this lovely episode of The Rewind. Darren, what do you got going on? Watch folks check out your neck of the woods.
02:03:34
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Well, literally today, uh, myself and the wonderful Omar Ahmed dropped a, um, an episode of the backdrop, taking a look at the Lord of the rings franchise. And in general, Hollywood's refusal to let anything actually meaningfully end. Um, I think it's a, it's a good episode. I think Omar's edit on it is absolutely amazing. There is one thing in the middle of this where I was like, this is a bad idea. This is a stupid idea. We should not do this under any circumstances. I'm asking something impossible of you. And he makes it work. It's it's just incredible. I'm always constantly blown away. Um, and obviously Jesse does other videos as well. And I say it all the time, but since you're here and I'm talking to you also blown away and Jesse, just sort play am the work that you do as well. And if I'm in a gag in this backdrop, you didn't notice. trouble you yeah yeah Oh, the incredible.
02:04:20
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yeah So no, check, check that out. And then obviously with Halloween, I wrote a bunch of articles of the weekend about horror franchises. So like my living as a nightmare in Elm Street and Halloween, too. Yeah. Yeah. I believe ah you will. You'll also have a ah short that Casey edited ah going up relatively soon that where you just rapid fire recommend a shit ton of horror movies in 60 seconds. so Yeah. And so you go. Yeah. Love it.
02:04:44
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Uh, Jesse, how about you? Obviously your big thing this week, uh, the new episode of battle masters went up on Monday. Yeah. Yeah. very Controversial episode battle masters. Good. Very fun. I believe the results are contested.
02:05:00
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ah Good. what attack is aaron What's a stack? I'm staying out of this. I gotta be friends with everybody. i There's some there's a real heated heated conversations, but maybe we'll get some resolution to this conversation Yeah, we really piled it on Yeah, obviouslyly that that came out. um Other edits and doing Yasi tries about this Sunday. um And working on the next battle masters for November should be a very fun episode. Also working on unpacked for next week as well. I'll start working on pack this week for next week as well.
02:05:43
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And then you and Jesse will be back. ah You know, you'll have a new time, right? Yeah. Next Tuesday. Yeah. So not this Tuesday, but next Tuesday, ah they'll be back already to three to five p.m. Central on Tuesdays. Going forward. Yes. And to shock on the rest of my DVD power quick. Black Hat and the Raven. Boom. Actresses three. Boom. This is a massacre for yeah boom at in the Canary. Boom. Boom.
02:06:11
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Count Chocula, boom. That's just cereal. That's cereal. That's not even a drink at all. That's not even cereal. It's mostly sugar. That's what American cereals are, David. As an outside observer, there is something fascinating about the way that you guys have dessert for breakfast. It's just fascinating culturally. um no Maybe that's why that your your date didn't want to eat the middle of the Danish because it was too deserted.
02:06:35
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that too desering like a croan or a mu You went full Seinfeld finally. And then, ah Jack, obviously you were you were also a big part of the Battle Master shenanigans that everyone should check it out. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. those who Go watch yesterday's Battle Master. Very fun Battle Masters. Jesse and I will be working on the next episode, which we love making so very much. Saturday, of course, is Adventures Night. This Saturday is the start of SideQuest.
02:07:03
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ah which Marty is involved in, a very fun ah episode, a three episode little mini arc of SideQuest. Then we continue on with season two until we get to the new episode. Season four is ah do chugging right along. We're very excited about that. And we're getting ready for the one year anniversary event that takes place next month, big day long stream. It's going to be a ton of fun.
02:07:28
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Yep, that'll be Saturday, November 16th. So mark your calendars. We'll be doing that. And oh also tomorrow, tomorrow night is our monthly Phoenix Tier ah Patreon movie night in which we watch a movie live along with all of our Phoenix Tier patrons. So if you are a Phoenix Tier patron tomorrow night, ah we're we're watching we're watching a movie with at very least one thing in it.
02:07:57
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Could have multiple things, but it has at very least one thing in it. You mentioned Russell up a great deal of enthusiasm, you know? Yes. We built a stage. We hired a carpenter and everything. yeah oh Absolutely. So those are, that's the movie we're watching, which we can't probably can't say legally. But what if we just, what if we were just like, Oh, it's Len four times two. something It's out of this world. It's from another world, if you will.
02:08:24
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It's something, I don't know. It's something. Yeah, that'll be at 8 p.m. Central tomorrow evening after Firelink. And then, yeah, for the rest of our stuff, there will be a stream this evening. So tune back in 6 p.m. Central dead by daylight game night. I believe Jess, Jesse, Galena, Nick and Eric, I believe are going to be on that. And then regular streams the rest of the week. We'll have a bunch of spooky and fun streams on Thursday as well. So tune in for those.
02:08:53
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But yeah, thank you all so much. So thank you. i Thank you, Eric, of course. Thank you, Darren. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Jesse. And thank you everyone watching in YouTube, everyone listening to the podcast on their service of choice. We appreciate you all. This was Marty. This was episode number eight. Thank you all so much. Have a wonderful rest of your day and a great Halloween. And we'll see you all next time. Bye, everyone.