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Our Favorite Movies and TV of 2024 (So Far) | The Rewind Podcast
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Welcome to The Rewind, Second Wind's new entertainment podcast. Join Darren Mooney, Jack Packard, and Marty Sliva as they introduce the show and chat about their favorite movies and TV of 2024 so far.
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Podcast Introduction
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Rewind second wins brand new entertainment podcast, all about the latest in movies, TV, anime and quibbies. I didn't tell you guys we're talking about quibbies today. This is episode number one for Tuesday, July 9th, twenty twenty
Meet the Hosts
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four. My name is Marty Sleevan. I'm thrilled to be joined by Darren Mooney, Jack Packard and producer Eric. Guys, we did it. It only took about eight and a half, nine months, but we got our entertainment podcast back up. Well, I have to watch every episode of Captain Jack Sparrow House to be prepared for this ah murder has flippers or dish mantled. Yeah. Yeah. All of our favorite quibbies because they were vertical and all this art is vertical. Yeah. No. And I like I'm really the the thing I'm most excited about is like this first episode, obviously, like we're doing a lot of catch up. um I can't wait to get deep into talk of ah the the Amazon ah produced
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JLo starring shotgun wedding. I thought it was delightful. I think we're going to get deep into some of those production notes as we move on, but it's like, overall, Jennifer Coolidge is there, Cheech Marin and like these mother as well, presumably an Atlas, like the the JLo cinematic universe. yeah Really?
Catching Up on Media
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did Yeah. Yeah. The new, I definitely watched the new Emma Roberts movie space cadet. One of my streaming services insists I want to watch. I'm like, I really don't. You should know I do not want to watch this movie. Yeah. Welcome, everyone. Welcome to the first episode of The Rewind. As Jack alluded to, yeah, this episode is just going to be kind of a catch up on the media we've been consuming in 2024. A lot of the stuff we've liked, you know, we're going to be talking about Furioso. We'll be talking about Dune. We'll be talking about, you know, those of us who've seen stuff like House of the Dragon and the Bear, Delicious and Dungeons. Just a catch up. stuff we've enjoyed this year. And obviously going forward. So the show on its whole is going to be every other week at the start. So it'll be every other Tuesday at this time slot. We'll be on YouTube. There'll be an audio version as well.
Podcast Format & Schedule
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And then we'll kind of have a rotating cast for this. There'll be Tuesdays. Darren's going to be at screenings. There's going to be Tuesdays. I'm not going to be here the next episode. But we have a deep We have a deep bench, which is going to make this great. And we could bring experts on for hit films like Despicable Me 4. Do you think anyone on staff saw Despicable Me 4? I haven't seen Despicable Me 4, and it's my job to watch movies like Despicable Me 4. It's my one job in Second Wind. Yeah, yeah. And I flunked it. I was shocked at it in PremieraCon at the Cannes Film Festival.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think those of us who would see despicable, despicable me for don't want to talk about it. I think. So ah no matter what, your fear spoilers we don't want to spoil the illness first act twist. Yeah. The grew a verse, if you will. I mean, I see the poster of it, which is a giant minion looks like it's chewing a smaller minion. And I'm like, this looks like it could be some sort of art house, independent French movie. Yeah. and the Depression. The monster is depression. They had it projected on the outside of the orb in Vegas, which looked very exciting with the mouth. You're going to go to Vegas to see a movie and report on it in the orb.
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Let's set that as like a stretch goal. I was wondering today, like could we do Toronto? Could the three of us do Toronto as a stretch goal on the pitch? Some absurd level of like stretch goal, but like could we do it? Would that be a pitch? That sounds doable. Yeah, that's ah that's a quick flight for Jack and I. The Toronto film that was? That was the pitch there, yeah. I wasn't going to attract you guys to Venice. I mean, yes we can if you can do it, Jack and I are going to say no to Venice.
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No, no, we'll go to Toronto. That'll be great. that's time Marty and I could drive to Toronto. There you go.
Audience Interaction & Support
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make a little as long as As long as we expense gas, make a little road trip make ah road trip vlogs out of it. Road trip vlog. And as as Darren was ah mentioning, of course, this show, along with everything else we do, including our our video essays, our columns, our streams, everything is funded by your incredible support on places like Patreon, ah larger donations on Ko-Fi, and of course, your super chats throughout the the entirety of the show, which we already have a ton of. And I want to go over just a couple of them at the start. There's no direct
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Uh, what, what, what you were a little worried about that. No, there's no direct like viewing us all. ah Look what Eric has done to me. Look at, look at his face. Yeah. and yeah there he is yeah and ah Eric's Eric's like a little goblin. i mean he will get out but He took my fan on windbreaker and he built a larger one and just had it next to me as Marty's number one fan. It's very strange. I love you know. I know we're going with Jack is a minion. He also looks like he could be an engineer in like Mad Max. Like that, that is also what he could have been. He's the organic mechanics. he could have been Yeah.
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Yes. I feel like yeah you would be our organic mechanic. Darren, obviously you are our history man. And I'm like a little bit of Scrotus and a little bit of rectus. Scrotus in
Humorous Movie Anecdotes
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the bed. Scrotus in the streets. Congratulations.
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congratulations that are the trump burns right did Those are the right? That's the most character's name, right? I feel like Scrotus is somehow more competent than Donald Jr. okay Uh, we'll get into that when, uh, you talk about the apprentice went around. Look at that. almost take with But going over those ah super chats, right. Uh, right at the top. Thank you so much. Uh, water hazard 12 hours in advance. The super chat. I put up the video at like 10 o'clock last night at like 10 Oh three, $5 donor from water hazard. I've been anticipating this moment for longer than I can remember. Remember the movie gang is back. Water hazard. Jason to oh, yeah, and of course if you're new to second wind so we had a long-running Podcast over at the escapist called the recap where every week it was usually Darren myself Frost but Jack you were you were on we just gabbed about movies and TV and and that so this is this is the spiritual successor of that There you go the legacy equal of that. We love movies and pop culture in quibbies
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Yasi called me out yesterday when I said an entertainment podcast and he was like, why is why are games not included in entertainment when we talk about entertainment? I was like, that's a really good point, honestly, because I don't know. like If I say the term, at least in this job, if I say this is an entertainment podcast, I think it's implied we're not talking about moot games.
Video Games in Podcasts?
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Right. Because everything else that like Second Wind does is video games. I don't need to say the entertainment minus video games. Even if you say the entertainment industry, you are not picturing video games because video games are so, but which by the way, I don't want to get too deep into the philosophical elements of this, but video games are so inherently different as a medium that they are not considered just entertainment. They are interactive entertainment, friend.
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And it's a marriage of, I guess, the tech sector and of yeah art, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because goodness knows that is not happening in film or television or anything like that. Aside from our good friends at Quibi, Quibi's the No one who failed Netflix experiments. No one is doing interactive storytelling. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You remember them. I do. No one. No, we don't remember them. wasn't it Was it it like an episode of Jimmy Schmidt and then Dander Snatch? Yeah. yeah A bit better station. What's his name in it? the the the it had life in Yeah, it had Adam Warlock. It also had the lead character from Dunkirk. um And it's somebody else in there, I think. There was a girl, probably a third actor in that movie.
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yeah had no but a girl never movie ah Jason Tudor with a fat Canadian don't know. Thank you so much. Finally, I was beginning to think that this had the same chance of happening as Half-Life 3. Even better, I'm on vacation so you can watch without guilt. Jason, thank you so much. I hope you have a great vacation. Even if you're not on vacation, if you're at work, if you're at like an important like a town hall meeting or a funeral, you can watch this without shame. Yeah. You know, your loved one who who
Interactive Storytelling
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sadly passed away at their funeral, they would want you to be happy um listening to me read off super chats. If you can, if you can hook that up to the the Bluetooth speaker system as well, I think that would really bring the brilliant entire room up. No one wants to hear organ. Yeah. Like, no, an instrument I'm never hankering for organ.
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You know, it's really needs an organ solo counter counterpoint, Marty. I don't want to derail the podcast immediately here in the greater Milwaukee area. We have a pizzeria called organ Piper. Okay. It is a a cheap ah pizzeria arcade that has a full organ. The the entire building is an organ um and they play cover songs while you eat your cheap pizza and it is delightful. one time and one time only.
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It is insane, because I assume you're going to talk about the organ at the Oriental theater that plays. And it's just weird to me that Milwaukee has two organs. Yeah. i might not be even foring Yeah. Yeah. Organs.
Quirky Local Attractions
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But what I will say is I feel like Inagata Divida covers the maximum amount of organ that anybody needs at any given moment. yeah Like a full 27 minute call to Inagata Divida. That's enough organ for like human history, I feel. Yeah. In the Garden of Eden by Iraan Butterfly. This sounds like rock and or roll. Beautiful. Tommy H. Welcome to the tip jar. Thank you so much, Tommy H. John Belie been a member for six months, upgraded to sponsor free videos. I've waited so long for this. Oh no, my bonitis. It's acting up. My only regret in life is not watching the rewind and having bonitis.
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It's a bonitis joke. Uh, Titan Uranus with a $5 dono. Thank you so much, Mr. Uranus. I will sadly be asleep during this. Yesterday we broke the wind. Today we shall wind again, or we rewind if you prefer. It will truly be our second wind. I like that. This is the rewind. Yeah. The rewind. Uh, Quintuple A with a $50 dono. That'll get us a couple gallons of gas. We are so back. Thank you so much. Couple Magimix with 10 pounders. Hell yeah, I've been looking forward to this for weeks. Thank you so much, Magimix. Rexallius, $10 dono. Sadly, we'll have to catch you on VOD, but I can't wait to see what the unholy fusion of Midwest Mandus and the Star Trek Salamander and Candlesex boy will result in.
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Which one of you is the Star Trek salamander? We should have used the candle sex boy. We were, we were both involved in that conversation. but oh yeah yeah Yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. Star Trek episodes. Voyager had the famous threshold. Yep. The famous, they devolve into salamanders and next generation fast. It's very important to stress. The reason why they devolved is because they go too fast and went too fast and they had salamander sex. And then of course, Beverly crusher had sex with a candle ghost in her, her grandmother's candle ghost, by the way, to be clear, like a hand me down. Well, it was her grandmother's hand me ghost boyfriend. Like she didn't have sex with her grandmother. She had sex with her grandmother's ghost yeah boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I just realized this is like a live video for an audience, right? Yeah. I know we're here. We're doing this. This is very, that was obviously more important. I'm a googly eyed alien. Eric is having too much fun with me and only me. Um, uh, okay. So here is by the way, the funding goal is not, not Marty and I driving to Toronto. It's Darren.
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flying to Milwaukee so the three of us can make the nine hour and three drive to Toronto. Just putting that out there. Three person road trip. Did you look up nine hour and three minutes or did you just know that? Because if you knew that, that's incredible. That's impressive. Somebody wants to go to Toronto. 100% Googled that. We would get to take ah the ferry across Lake Michigan. That would be fun. Oh yeah. Go to man to walk maybe. Go to man to walk, go through Michigan. Oh, it'd be lovely. It'd be lovely. and loves michigan What's your favorite Michigan movie, Darren? You can't say eight mile. That really is cop.
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and Really a Michigan movie, right? Yeah, you were so fast. I was like, I rewatched all of everyone else cop movies recently. You know what, a third one? oh Extremely bad. That's a very bad movie. Holy smokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I would argue everyone except the first one and like the appearance of the second one. Like if you separate how good the second one looks from the movie itself, the movie is bad. But I would say only Lovers Left Alive is the answer to the Detroit question. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, that's also a good one. Oh, boom. Detroit might have the best quality books and it follows. Isn't that takes place in Detroit? but Yeah. Michigan like starring long legs. Yeah. What's the long legs? I don't know what her name is. Yeah. Her character in the movie, Long Legs is not. That'll be quite impressive. Detective Long Legs. Detective Melissa Long Legs. Ironically, she's average height. just Yeah. Yeah.
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The name's kind of a goof. You get it. yeah yeah Urban M with 100 Polish Woti. Thank you so much, Urban M. Okay. Now we are back. Hell yeah. An Alice enthusiast with a $2 dono. Thank you so much. Jack, you're looking amazing. at Getting some sun recently. I think that might've been a goof on the minion. That was probably the minion, or my camera is more orange than everyone else's. bill I was very red the other day. Remember that? I think it was during during Elton Ring. I don't know what was going on. You spicy died. Welcome back Spicy Dot with a $5 demo. Jack and Marty road trip my hopes of a radio morning show with them grow.
Traditional Media & Radio
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Darren's the only one of us that's on terrestrial radio still, right? Right. Yes. because I am so old and I live in Ireland where we still have radio. It's like, this is a concept, but yes, i I just like that you, you are tapping into a different audience. An important audience. I will say they're like last weekend they had to cut me short because I insisted on doing the Maxine review in the voice of Kevin Bacon from Maxine. And what is that voice? My employer's a very powerful man. The three-star movie for Mr. Ty West. Universal Studio Backlot is the third credited lead.
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Hasn't finished with her. Wonderful. Wonderful. It's incredible. It'd be a week for Bacon between Maxine and Beverly Hills Cop 4, where he's introduced and immediately you're like, he's clearly the bad guy, right? And then he turns out he's the bad guy. He's both of those movies. Like, again, Bacon makes everything better. There is no meal that is not improved with Bacon. Agreed. Hard agree. Star of Echoes? What a movie. Y'all ever see Star of Echoes? There was like a dead body in his face. Hollow Man, a masterpiece. On a critical masterpiece. Yeah. He was a real sex pest in that movie. I didn't like him. ah but guy That's ah that's a hot take Marty because I think I feel like the movie is entirely on his side um it's called the man
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ah George Lucas in the tip jar for seven months. Thank you so much, George. Caleb Dennis, $5 donor. Can't imagine a better occasion for my first super chat. Love to hear more from Darren and Jack and Marty too, I guess. Wong live second wind. Appreciate it, Caleb. Sean Harriman, hashtag get Darren and Marty to the sphere. Here's more monies to expensive Vegas trip. I'd say Darren Aronofsky's postcards from Earth was worth the trip or the Eagles. You think you're talking about the band, the Eagles? Like Hotel California is the Eagles. Or maybe there's just good avian air, avian wildlife out there. Wow. What but a birds in Vegas. a Sovereign with a five pound dono or a five euro dono. Thank you so much. I've been looking forward to this. Now I can finally have a reason to wake up on a Tuesday. Here's a fiver. Now entertain me, gentlemen. It is our.
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honor. Luis Perez with a $5 donor just wanted to say hello and congrats on the new podcast. Thank you so much. Biscuits and BBQ with a $5 donor. This is gross gross point blank erasure and I won't have it. haven't watched for take a watch That is, I must be at this point. Which is like, I think, a Michigan, you know, Michigan and Jason. Michigan and Jason. A growth point blank, a wonderful, wonderful film, a very formative movie for me. You know, it was that perfect amount of kind of like nihilism that speaks to our particular generation. um And anytime Dan Aykroyd can get murdered by a television, like the, the, the, the poignancy of that, if you think about it.
Bad Movie Festivals
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yeah While advocating for the unionizing of hitmen. What is B Fest? People seem to mention be mentioning B Fest a lot in the chat. What is B Fest? ah I don't... So B Fest, I've been to B Fest once, which is something in Northern Illinois, you know, just a few hours south of us. There might be a B-Fest in Toronto as well. Maybe that's why they're bringing it up. B-Fest is a a straight 24 hour bad movie festival where they literally, and it's on a college campus, so they have to lock you in the building. You cannot leave and there is no accommodations to sleep. You have to find dirty corners to sleep in. Some people sleep in the movie theater. It's a wonderful event of mania and bad movies. It's truly remarkable that I recommend doing once and only once.
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That is how Darren lost his mind. He was never the same after B Fest. It's really, really remarkable. Really, really wonderful. You know, like ah the year I went, they showed, they showed life force at like three in the morning. So everyone was just hitting that point of like, Oh, maybe I just got a couple hours of sleep. Maybe like I've been up all day and the mania is really, is really kicking in. And then you see Patrick Stewart and sex aliens. It was, it was a lot. It was a whole lot. Shout out to Patrick Stewart and Sex with the Aliens though. yeah people but good that was That was the famous Star Trek Next Generation thing where Ronald D. Moore, the guy who went on the Great Battle Star Galactica, he was a young Star Trek fan. He got sold a script. He he was you know given a tour of the set. And then Patrick Stewart was like, I really liked your script, young man. But if you want to write for the show, there's one thing you need to remember. And according to Ronald D. Moore, it's the captain doesn't do enough shooting and screwing. But they asked Patrick Stewart about it years later. He's like, no, I didn't say that at all. I said, the captain doesn't do nearly enough fighting and fucking.
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um um um difference Very different vibe. That's a good goof. I like it. yeah ah Tommy Salty with 10 Polish Swoti as well. That's 110 Polish Swoti we made this episode. I'm not saying I'm proud of Poland, but I'm proud of Poland. It's, quote, not another Marty podcast. Lame reference, not a lame reference. Shout out to not another teen movie. We don't get enough spoofs and lampoons. What happened to the spoof in the lampoon? Are we in a spoof and lampoon society? they and Are you guys not aware of not another church movie, which is where it's the spoof of Tyler Perry movies that stars Jamie Foxx as God and Mickey Work as the devil?
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Um, you guys didn't know this thing existed. How did I know this thing existed? I've never seen a Tyler Perry movie outside of like on girl. Um, there we go. Well done, Eric. That is a good job. Eric quick off the mark. Well, this must have come out after the, like, cornucopia of meat of the movies, right? No, this came out May 10th. Whoa, this year? This came out a few weeks ago. You specifically asked, like, what happened to these movies? This is what happened to these movies. I have not heard a peep of this. And the fact that there is a poster right there either means Eric is very good at Photoshop. is real
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Unless he made a Wikipedia page. Vivica A Fox. Shout out to Vivica A Fox. No fucking way. That is... No, I legitimately thought these kind of movies were dead after the the slurry of Meet the Movies. The Seltzer and Friedberg. Isn't that Seltzer and Friedberg are the two guys who are generally credited with killing the form. Killing comedy movies in general, along with it, by the way. Just kill the humor? They did. Like, the incredible bombs of all of the Meet The movies were one of the reasons why studios stopped making comedies in general. Because they weren't getting to live. Yeah, isn't that great? Like, they killed an entire genre of cinema.
Impact of Comedy Films
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Those assholes. If I meet them, I will punch them in the mouth. Not another church movie will be our next movie for our Patreon movie night. Remember Phoenix Tier? You get to watch a Patreon movie once a month with us. We watched Equilibrium recently. Darren, we will work around your schedule so that you can watch not another Church Review with us. What are your thoughts on Equilibrium, by the way? The video went out to... No, it actually didn't. It's still loading in the back end of Patreon. What are your thoughts of Equilibrium?
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keep in mind the last time I saw it was in 2003 when I was like 16 years old and that feels like a perfect time to have seen it and to have liked it. yeah Again, it it feels very much matrix core, kind of like Aeon Flux, the Charlize Theron movie. It has similar sort of vibe and like Christian Bale. And who is the other guy with Christian Bale? means he digs is an hey digs Oh man. God, remember when like your two leads could be Tay digs on Christian Bale. Finally, two titans of cinema meeting on screen. The De Niro and Pacino of 2003. I remember quite enjoying it. Banana Boy, that is the Gun Fu movie. That is Gun Taka.
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Which KZ says, quote, the science checks out on it. KZ vehemently stands by the fact that the science checks out on gun, on on gun, on equilibrium. Cause that's the only scientific question you might have about the movie Equilibrium. It's about the physics of the gun violence. My favorite thing about rewatching equilibrium is like realizing that it was like, uh, it was, uh, Patrick Bateman and, uh, you know, it was American psycho and then equilibrium. And it's like, you put those two things together and that's Batman, right? Like that's just Bruce Wayne and Batman. It makes so much more sense. Why Christian Bale was Batman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I remember quite liking it. I have not seen it in years. So part of me is like, that could be a 16 year old boy's opinion, but I really didn't enjoy it. Yeah. Still, still rad as hell. Still. Oh man.
Podcast Revamp
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Was up 84 with a $2 don't know. Thank you so much. Been waiting for this podcast with this host combo was up. We are glad to be here. Darwin's dummy ah been in the green yank for six months. New pod. Congrats. Congrats. ah Congrats.
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ah support that was That was a Neon Genesis Evangelion reference. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's an anime. It's an anime. Technically a reference. okay Technically, well it is. On my personal channel I have a little i have a little ah notification where it's the the congratulations scene at the end of the series where everyone's clapping and says congratulations and it cuts through all the characters saying congratulations and then it cuts to pen pen to penguin and he just goes ah But which I assume is congratulations in penguin. Yeah. Fungus finder with a $2 don't know. Thank you so much. Jack quote, will literally do anything just once Packard. I mean, that's a good way to live, right? Hell yeah. That's a, that's a, that's, I think that's a decent, decent way to live. Hell yeah. And there's some things you can only do once to be fair.
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but he Yeah. I'm not going to elaborate on that. um was fine Tommy Salty with 10 Polish devotee. Thank you so much, Marty. What Polish films do you like the most? The Three Colors trilogy? I watched a lot of those as a kid because those were my dad's some of my dad's favorite movies. So what was Cold War recently? That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dear Hexer.
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There, Xer, the Witcher movie. You ever seen their Xer? No, I've not seen the Polish version of the Witcher. Oh, it's bad. but We all talk about it on a podcast. We talk about the Witcher. Yeah, we talked about the no, no, no, no. You were gone one week when we were talking about the Witcher. All right. And Jack came on and was like, I haven't been watching the Witcher, but can we talk about their hexer? And so the night before Frost and I watched their hexer and it was really good. I ripped my copy of Dear Hexer and and had to, by the way, find my own subtitles the via a third party subtitle, stitch them onto my ripped copy of Dear Hexer so that we could all watch Dear Hexer. That reminds me of how I watched was it um crimea the the Vladimir Putin propaganda movie about the Russian um quote unquote liberation of Crimea.
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that was produced. It was produced by Russia for Russian citizens. And the only way I could, the only way I could watch it was because of course I had to watch it was that through, through a Russian casino website, which I'm sure uploaded mass amount of spyware onto my computer, but live translated by Google translate. as I was streaming it ah im god there. Eric is incredible. Shout out to Eric. um Yeah. No, Eric is used to us just rattling off games on Monday. And like, there's already a trailer for it by the time we finished the sentence. It's very good.
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Yeah. So like, yeah. So you got wonderful translations, like the moment where like the fighter pilot is getting ready to fly to Crimea. And his wife is like, this is not your war. And in subtitles, he says the people in the people in Crimea have lives and rights and then flies the jet plane off.
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you and i'm like It's like, it's like, it's like somebody watched Top Gun and was like, let's just do that as Russian propaganda. There is a love scene where there's literally a kind of a curtain blowing in the wind. I think that sounds wonderful. what's the end part of it everything Everything sounds wonderful as as long as you just forget about that part of it. but the problem of part what's What was the Russian propaganda field version of Avengers? What was that one called? It was like a man turned into a bear. There was like, ah there was a bear man. There was a, Oh man. Now I got to find this. It was, it was basically night watch, which I don't know if night watch is propaganda, but night watch was the Russian super hero. That's a smear Becknetikov vampire movie. Okay.
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Oh, this was this was a this was all we got looks like it makes like Russian propaganda. What's that called? Guardians are the guardians. That's right. ah very, you know, like ah very, I guess very similar to how kind of like our Avengers was slightly, you know, propagandizing pro American. Yeah. It was just like, yeah, Russia is awesome. We have a bear man. It it wasn't a good movie. Take that out in America. um right There's also like the, the Russian romantic comedy about the building of the bridge in Ukraine as well, which is basically like love, actually, if it was about the construction of a bridge in Ukraine.
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This is, see we have to have an entire back at that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Otherwise it is exactly like, well, actually we'll, we'll watch like pro Russian propaganda films throughout the decades. We can start with Vi, right? Vi the, the, like the, the old horror propaganda movie, we'll move into love actually. And then we'll get to guardians. It'll be three piece, uh, Russian propaganda. All right. Let's take a little super chat break and get into podcast topics.
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and and just start to start. Let's start with that. We will come back to super chats in a moment. Don't worry. Everybody who is super chat and we'll get to you. We'll get to you. Everyone's saved. Everyone's saved. one is I feel like we should, the, the, the, if, if I hadn't been thinking of.
Theatrical Experiences: Dune & Furiosa
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Movies in 2024, the two movies that stick out to me of movies I saw in theaters that felt like capital T theatrical experiences were Dune Part 2 and Furiosa. And I feel like those are almost like can be talked together as a pair of when everyone talks about, um you know, theaters are dying and just watch things, just watch your quibbies on your phone. I point to those two and I'm like, no, no, go. This is this is different if you watch this at home.
00:28:58
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Quibi has not existed for three years. Like I know that this is a joke and we're committed to the bit, but I feel like it's important to stress. Quibi has not existed for three years. I mean, sky dance for paramon who knows I'm just not only like this could be not existed. Quibi was an abject, almost immediate failure. Like no one liked Quibi. And only existed to avoid like union regulation, which is one of my, up there's a shout out to Katzenberg. Gotta love Katzenberg. But it was because like, if a short is under seven minutes, you don't have to adhere to, I think it's like Screen Actor Guild regulations with regards to paying residuals. So like that was the, solic like that was why it was only a quick bite. Is that like the whole third or fourth season thing of where like shows don't get to that season and they just kinda like retool the show with a different name so that they don't have to
00:29:45
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pay, continue paying. The industry is kind of, let me ask guys, the industry is kind of messed up. Show this yeah great and that's show business, not oh hold on hold on show business, not show friends. I thought that was beautiful. That's great. I thought that was beautiful. That was great. Um, that was you doing Javier Bartim in, uh, getting surprised at, uh, Lisa. Uh, which one do we want to start with? Oh, let's start with doing two. Okay. Let's start with doing part two. Obviously like, and I'll get the ball rolling here. Beautiful. got Gosh, darn beautiful movie. I think VL Vin Vin. He knew Denis Velfin that guy who directed him.
00:30:30
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I think that guy who directed it is such a, ah he is a master at explaining the unexplainable. ah All of the weird Dune bullshit is very easy to understand. does The same with Dune part one, same with, ah you know, any of his other movies that are, have weirdo sci-fi aspects to it. He's very good at visually explaining things. My only issue with Dune Part 2 is not an issue with the film itself, it's just with the story. It ends on a bit of a fart in the wind. And where it's like and I understand that's where the story ends, and I think that's bullshit, because this isn't like a continuing story. This is a movie that's ending and we're done with it now. And stop stop farting in the wind, Denis Villeneuve.
00:31:16
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um I actually, I actually thought the ending was really lovely. I thought it ended where it needed to. Like I don't need Dune Messiah. And very famously the book Dune Messiah only exists because Frank Herbert, the writer was like, you, you guys didn't, they didn't understand my work. So like Dune Messiah is this incredibly thin, spiteful book, which consists of Frank Herbert yelling at you, the reader that you were an idiot who did not understand Dune, which is my favorite kind of art is art that the littles me. Um, and then obviously at some point he realizes that he needs more money. So he just writes children of Dune, which is very much what if Dune again, but longer, but like, um, I almost i thought the ending, but I actually really love the ending. I think the ending works really well because like you don't need to see what happens next without getting into spoilers. It feels like that could be the last time that I see those characters, particularly Paula Trades and Channy. And I understand what has happened. I understand that. You know, not to, not to spoil the movie for anybody who hasn't seen it, but I understand that this is not the ending that the characters thought they were going to get, but that every, every decision has been made. There is nothing like I'd look at that ending and I don't think I need to see any more. I don't think there's another, they ironically, despite knowing what happens in doing Messiah, despite having read all the books, you get to that ending and you think, I don't think there's more story to be told. I think that story has reached the point where it is over and done with.
00:32:36
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It's very much, it's like the end of the Godfather part one where Michael is the Godfather. He's in the room. They're kissing the ring and then they close the door over and Kay can no longer see him. And it's like, I don't need to see the many adventures of Michael Corleone. Um, I understand that he has like reached the peak and he's going to do the thing and he will probably run a very ruthless criminal enterprise. and his wife, Kay, he will probably have a marriage, a loveless marriage to Kay. I understand that. So I think for me, I didn't see it as a cliffhanger ending. Actually. I saw it as like ah a logical end point. But I compared to the end of the first, like, did you feel the same way about the end of the first one? oh yeah
00:33:12
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No, because, well, the you know, the first one, but you know, clearly stated, this is part one, like where, you know, we're going to have a part two. My expectations were set. And very to be very clear, I don't think it was a cliffhanger ending. I ah literally, I think if they cut the movie two minutes earlier, I would have been very happy. Paul makes his decision, you know, like, oh, fine. I will be this, you know, terrible thing that I didn't want to be to save everybody. but The part I didn't like is they're like, okay, everybody let's go to space and start the war. And then they show the, shit like, if it would have just ended at him making the terrible decision and him and I don't remember her names and die Danny, yeahny if they split, Oh, I understand. It was then they almost started ramping up momentum again. The war starting everybody in the ships go up to space. And it's like, well, we don't need that part.
00:34:01
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i like the bit i I really love the bit where they're going into space, but she's walking off. Like that's the thing. It's like everybody is leaving her behind. Like that's, that's the ending for me is like, Johnny is kind of staying and she is being left behind in a very literal sense. So it's like, you know, I know what's going to happen up there. It's not going to be pleasant, but like these fair, the surprise ending pretty devastating. like Yeah. i son yeah percent I just felt, I felt like it overstated. Welcome. ifre In my opinion, By the way, it does not ruin how much I enjoyed the movie at all. Just like a tiny little like, eh. Where do you stand on Villeneuve? Like where you stand on Blade Runner, Arrival, like that kind of stuff. Do you usually kind of vibe with the stuff, Sicario? 100% love, no exceptions.
00:34:48
Speaker
Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Yeah. No, that my kind of filmmaker, very visual, very, uh, you know, uh, that's it. My kind of filmmaker, very visual. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Yeah. Same all the time. I'm a bit more mixed on Villeneuve. I have to admit actually, cause I, I love, I love it. I love enemy and I love Sicario. Uh, I like blade runner a lot, but is earlier stuff like polytechnic and stuff like that. Doesn't really work for me. Um, and like prisoners is a movie that like I admire, but I don't get the love and affection for it's the kind of movie that like would have been like a prime like on, on Irish television, it would have been on 9 PM on a Wednesday and everybody in school would have been like, that was really fun. Wasn't it? hell as opposed to going this Yeah. Hell yeah. Did you see the bit where he did the thing with the hammer and everything?
00:35:35
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yeah
00:35:40
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ah in our, in our 12 in our woodwork class at the age of 12, which is great. Like, cause our woodwork teacher, where he would like draw on the board, he'd be like, here's what you guys need to do for the next 40 minutes. I'm a teacher. I've done it in two. Let's talk about blade runner. um Very formative experience for me as a film critic. yeah But like bell new for me is kind of I don't think I really loved him until I got the two Dune movies. I have to say, and I say that thinking like Dune part two is like the movie of the year and one of the best movies of the past like decade. Um, but it it wasn't until we got to like Dune and in particular Dune part two, I was like, yeah, no, I, I, I love this guy. You're on, you're on like you're deep into your showings of Dune two. Like you've seen Dune two at this point, like nine times. yeah What you doing tonight, Darren?
00:36:25
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ah I think like as ah as a filmmaker, his confidence has has grown. And like he is now like even like getting very you know risky with some of his choices, some of the things that he's showing, which I think is is wonderful. like For me, it was as soon like you know i was I liked some of his early movies. And then I saw Arrival. And then I kind of looked back and was like, oh, I get the path now. Arrival for me was like, Yeah. Wonderful. you know That was the my head my my my head popping, by the way. It's also just one of those... ah but one of those ah I think he reminds me of Chris for Nolan in that I'm glad you're giving these people themingly blank checks to make this movie with really talented actors instead of that money going towards like $300 million dollars reshoot slop.
00:37:17
Speaker
I guess I'm excited to see that. Her web does connect us all. It's going to be a very craving Christmas. Space cadets Emma Roberts said the internet was too mean. I mean, Emma Roberts also said that like she lost more jobs than she gained because of her family name to be fair. It's tough being Julia Roberts. and these and i well bri It's probably tough being Eric Roberts daughter. And I say that having a great deal of fondness for some of Eric Roberts performances oh it' how he shows up. He's one of those guys. I'm like, Ooh, temperatures just went up a little bit when he shows up. Look at Marty. Look at Marty. Yeah. Look at you. Am I doing it?
00:37:52
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You're doing it. You're doing it. but yeah ah We're doing it. ah So the other side of the coin, Furiosa.
Furiosa's Reception & Box Office
00:38:01
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um While Dune seemed to be a massive ah critical and commercial success, Furios, I feel like ah commercially was a little more divided or critically was a little more divided than Fury Road was, which your road seems to be lauded as one of the best action movies of the past of the century. he It's just one of the best movies of the 2010s, right? According to like IndieWire and like the world of reels, polar poles and all this sort of stuff. Like, yeah, yeah.
00:38:26
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Um, where this sort of had a rockier road to release from its first trailer to people seeing it and being like, Oh, what's, what's going on with the look of this to, Oh, do we need to go back and tell the story to it being released and kind of ultimately being a little bit of a dud at the box office? Um, I still thought this was, I still thought the movie was absolutely gorgeous. Um, I thought the movie was gorgeous. 72 million worldwide. and global i guess it's inched It's way there. It inched. You're right. I think that's the way it's like it in shit's way there. Yeah. I mean, it it did underperform financially the box office. It did like, it's not going to get its money back. Incidentally, I think half the budget came from Australia because they have like a progressive tax system that encourages people to make art. So they got a massive tax rebate. It also, I think did really well on streaming, but yeah, it did not set the box office alive. We should say by the way, that like even fury road, I think only got to $300 million dollars worldwide. So it was not a massive People hold it in a crazy high regard, but it wasn't like a barn burner when it came out in terms of box office. And here's the thing, I get it because even like I, and I love Fury Road, I will, I will proselytize for Fury Road every single day. But my halfway through Furiosa, I was almost like, oh, this is kind of boring. Oh, what's happening? That's what I was feeling. And then you hit a point and you go, oh, wait.
00:39:45
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It's just a real movie. Like it's it's not. You know, Fury Road is a real movie that is on top of a circus. Right. That is on top of a of a chainsaw juggling clown where it's like that, which is its own wonderful thing. But Furiosa is just a real movie. And so like tempering your expectations ah Coming off of that high, I understand people's reaction. I think it's still a phenomenal movie, but I guess I understand. Yeah, I think it it is a movie like it is structured. It has a five act structure and it tells you, which I kind of like, I kind of love that it just announced itself with chapter titles, which may or may not have an influence on the backdrop this week to be fair to it. But like you it is, as Jack said, it's structured as an epic and like Fury Road takes place over the course of what, maybe 48 hours at a Bush.
00:40:36
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Whereas they say it's a, it's a race and then a chase, right? yeah Like first that race and they drive really fast this way. And then they drive really fast that way. That was my dad's review of the theory road, by the way, it's like, dad, what did you think of your road? Well, they went really fast that way. And then they turned around and went really fast this way. And I'm like, oh great. Yeah. Ireland's finest film critic. Um, but I will say that like Furiosa is much more of a convention. Again, it unfolds over decades. It is right a David Lee nestle. And even if you look at how it's shot, it has like longer takes. Uh, the camera movements are kind of more graceful. It uses, does use CGI, but it uses like things like time-lapse photography.
00:41:12
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which you don't get in Fury Road. Like there's a wonderful shot where it transitions from the bit where she's a child and she escapes Rictus and the wig goes down and you get to see the branch of the tree growing in real time. Cause you see the that the sky is moving overhead. And again, Miller does that a couple of times. There are a couple of shots where he'll show like the sun rising and falling and rising and falling to give a sense of time. It's a very different experience than Fury Road and it's paced differently and it feels differently. And I will say, I've seen it like four times and I am very glad, like very lucky. I saw it twice in the space of 24 hours. And on the second watch, it really did improve for me because it was like, yeah as, as Jack said, I reset my expectations. It wasn't fury road 2.0. Now I know what this is. How do I judge it based on what it it actually is and what it's doing? You know? absolutely I think, I think if they would have tried or they, if if George Miller would have tried to hit the highs of fury road again, they he would have fallen. Like everyone would have been like, well, Oh, this, this sucks. Like this just isn't as epic. So like resetting almost, you know, resetting the clock. I think it's great. I cannot wait to watch them back to back. That's what I'm really looking forward to. immediately want to go home, even though I watch i like rewatch Fury Road, and then the next night I saw Furiosa and it made me immediately want to go home and rewatch Fury Road again. Just because it's like, oh, you yeah, these are a pair. These are absolutely a pair into the point where they join literally at the middle. like yeah they They join together. And it does.
00:42:40
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We complain so much about sort of these franchises feeling a need to explain things that don't need to be explained. We just talked about Han Solo's, how did Han Solo get his name? The Castle Run, yeah. The Castle Run, the dice on the Millennium Falcon. And it's just like, you don't need to tell us this. This movie does that. But it it makes it so effective in the way that it makes you appreciate the original movie more. Like, you're like, she has one arm in Fury Road and she has two arms in most of Furiosa. And so you're like, all right, she's going to lose her arm at some point. Like, but the way that's handled and what it actually means is the way that's handled.
00:43:18
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sorry Going out of the limb there. Apologies. I did it again. I mean, for most of the movie, she was pretty well armed. So.
00:43:28
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You want to just join us a handoff hosting duty to you? ah um I don't have any. I don't have any more. I don't know another word for hand. Sorry. little Elbow in the ribs there. But anyway, damn gloves are off. i oh but Oh, it was like it makes her losing the arm like genuinely devastating. Like, yeah. When when you realize what it actually means outside of losing an arm like yeah, it's it's a san amendment for her goal. Yeah, is is like is staggering. It's ah it's it's it was such a good movie. I was I was yeah kind of floored by it and I wish this was the one. Why do you think people didn't show up to this one who did show up to Fury Road or why did people not show up to um this in the same way? Do you like is it that Anya Taylor Joy is just not as big of a draw as as your your shallow maze and your Zendaya's?
00:44:20
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it's hard to pitch. Like I think, and I think again, a lot of box office stuff is like post-hoc kind of trying to make sense of something that is inherently like on understandable. Um, I do wonder if there was a sense of like, first of all, assuming that fury road is a bigger hit than it was, uh, where like it it landed with critics and it landed with tastemakers. It did it land with general audiences? It, it only, grow it only grows $300 million. dollars So like this made to about half of that in the post pandemic landscape, which probably isn't the worst falloff in the world. I do think you could argue it's something around nostalgia as well, where like the, the minions movies are doing well because the despicable me movies are from the childhood of people who are aging out. Whereas like scary road arrives, maybe at the very edge of people who would have seen the original Mad Max movies on VHS.
00:45:02
Speaker
Whereas has like how many people have seen the Mad Max movies? Uh, the, even the non-fury road ones like the road warrior or whatever, uh, in the years since that's sort like the the Indiana Jones thing or the flash thing where it's like Michael Keaton is very important to me. And I presume to Jack and Marty, but is he important to my, you know, 23 year old sister? Um, that's it is Indiana Jones is Harrison Ford. Like. that the crystal skull grossed nearly a billion dollars, 800 odd million dollars. And it did that because it arrived at the sweet spot where people were young enough to have seen last crusade on VHS or whatever, even maybe even in the cinema and go and see it in 2008 in the cinema. Whereas now what?
00:45:46
Speaker
14 years after that, why are you white? Like, why would you care? Like, why, why would you want to go and see an Indiana Jones movie after you've already had your nostalgic cash-in? And I do wonder if maybe that's an issue here. And again, it's not related to quality box office performance is entirely separate from quality. ah course yeah no and I think like the other factor is like those early reviews ah were kind of that thing Darren and I were talking about where're just where you just say, this isn't Fury Road. And just hearing that puts you in a negative space. And so that means people are going to wait to see it until it comes to video on demand. People are going to wait to rent it or people are going to wait you know until it's a cheaper to digest. I do think this will have a significant second wave as far as home video is concerned.
00:46:29
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ah Yeah. And if it what if it lands, I'm like a streaming, if it's paired with, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the other ones were. So yeah, that would be, um, I feel like that could, that could end up being a big streaming movie. And to Jack's point, like, I think it's very telling. I think might one of my opening lines, Marty can probably testify this when I covered at a can was the first thing to know about it is it's not Fury Road. So yes, Jack is entirely correct. Like that is, that is the first line of every review. That's tough to hear. Like, right. yeah Like, wait, but I like Fury Road. Yeah. And you were like, what was the temperature? like I mean, Darren, so it premiered at can, right? yeah And you saw it there. So like, what was the temperature like coming out of that? Um, I guess he was a little bit kind of confused. I mean, I will say like my, one of the best moments of the film festival was like getting a ticket to Furiosa wearing my tuxedo sitting down, the gentleman being shown to the seat next to me because we had a sign seating for the red carpet premieres. Everything else was free seating. And like the guy is wearing a tuxedo. He's a young man.
00:47:26
Speaker
The lights go down. The Warner brothers logo starts going up and I noticed motion at the corner of my eye and I turn around and this guy is just stripping the tuxedo off him. He has brought like his casual clothes and he's going to watch the world premiere of Furiosa. He wore the tuxedo to get off past the red carpet, but baby, the lights are down. The jacket's coming off. The shirt is going open. The cummerbund is being stripped off. Like I'm fairly sure he has like me where I get home from being out for the day. i like um um yeah and' be almost naked by the time i get up upstairs he had like runners in his bag. I think that was how committed he was to this. I'm going to watch Furiosa comfortably. um I will say coming out of the vibe of it, there was that sense of like, yeah, this is not fury road. We don't, we don't quite know what to make of it. And the same thing happened with the critic screening in the morning as well, where I think I was on the more positive end because I had like recalibrated my expectations in the 12 hours since I'd seen it the first time. But the vibe coming out was like,
00:48:22
Speaker
That's pretty good, but it's also not that's off your road. You know, it's it's pretty good, but it's not the best movie of the 2010s, you know, which is which is a tough like it it feels like a backslide, even though it's a very different movie. And it's like it's not technically a backslide. It's just a different movie, but it feels like a backslide. Yeah. Would you rather live in the Citadel, in Gastown, or in Bullet Farm? Who is it running like, here's the question. Who's running like the gas town when I'm living in it? That's the question. Is the guy, is the guy who does the nice paintings on the wall in charge of gas town or is the guy who lets the dog shit all over the nice paintings on the wall in charge? Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Yeah. That's the tough question. Oh yeah. The guy who looked at the painting in the book and he's like, I'm going to do a little wall of it. He has a bit of taste. He's got like good taste. I feel like, I feel like that's a guy I could relate to, you know? Yeah. I can do gas town. Gas town under, under the control. yeah Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry to inform you, it's Scrotus and Richtus. Which one is Scrotus in charge of? Because that feels like the better choice of the two.
00:49:30
Speaker
um i You must have seen the movie more than once cuz you got the gun in my head I can't tell you which ones which I just really like this is the one who looks like um the mic is that the um the guy from Mike day from ma now he looks like and Rick this was actually the the rest antagonist of the max as well. No, Scrotus was the antagonist of the video game is the thing. Rick has actually appeared in fury road. He's the one who he tears the engine off and he gets blown up. He's the one who I had a beautiful baby brother. That guy. You could tell I've seen this multiple times and it's clearly made an impression. That's famously as it Nathan Jones, the wrestler who played Rick. This has had to go on social media and explain that no, he does not abuse children. That is just the character he plays in the movie. And I'm like, I feel like I have lost all faith in humanity to Fabian Franco, who plays Kristen Cole in House of the Dragon. I'm like, you guys know what actors are? House of the Dragon is a documentary. It's, it's filmed in Europe. That's what Europe is like, right?
00:50:47
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that works very differently over there. we We have to have an entire new class in grade in high school, just about media literacy. yeah These are pretend things people. Yes. yeah Um, and we, yeah, we should share that. I think, um, Aaron mentioned in the comments there, the guy who does play scrotus played split in the fury road, who's the driver who Nicholas Holt is kind of like the big man for, but also, also what's fascinating is he's a very handsome guy, like, which is the kind of thing that I love where he's like, he, he pops up. I think in the X-Men movies, he's meant to be like the young William striker in the Fox reboots.
00:51:23
Speaker
Oh, he looks like this guy who looks like the poor man's kind of, um, Josh Hartnett kind of vibe is the thing they're going for. And I kind of love that George Miller is like, give me that sweet, handsome, hot young man. And I'm going to staple his mouth and I'm going to give him a hair lift and make him look like a Mikey day character. Like that's love it. Yeah. Love it. chuck George Miller never saw that. Yeah. never australian taxpayers Thank you for Australian taxpayers. Shout out to the fine folks of Australia as well. Thanks, Amy. I assume Amy paid for a lot of this movie. Yeah, the big two. what ah what what what are some other What are some other movies that stuck out to you guys in 2024 so far?
Comedy Film Recommendations
00:52:06
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Jack, give us one.
00:52:07
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Okay, and I don't know if it came out this year, but I watched it this year. Actually here, I'll give a shout out to two movies that I watched this year that I don't think came out this year. um As I am a big proponent of comedy movies, there are two comedy movies that I watched this year, Hundreds of Beavers and Bottoms. Yeah. ah hundreds of beavers. I think I've talked about on several live streams and and whatnot. I cannot stop talking about how hilarious it is. I want to, I want to say Wisconsin, ah ah Wisconsin ah originating a director, a wonderful comedy movie and bottoms. ah We are bringing back the boner comedy.
00:52:50
Speaker
which, you know, is a lost genre. We're reclaiming the boner comedy and I love it that, that it's, that it's hundreds of beavers is the photo down there, not bottoms to be clear like yeah or they can't do any confusion in the chat. um but Hundreds of beavers is is basically, you know, Looney Tunes, but quasi live action. And you don't think that it will work for an entire movie and it does. And it goes harder and harder and harder. The bits are great. ah Bottoms is a, is ah is a gay fight club rom-com boner comedy. And it is every part of it is gorgeous. Every part of it stands in, in defined protest against everyone who says, you can't make those kinds of jokes anymore. There is a running gang about bombing high schools. It is hilarious. It is crass and and it is a it is hopefully a a point in the favor of it's okay to make comedy movies again.
00:53:51
Speaker
And one of my, also one of my favorite yeah small, small parts ever in Marshawn Lynch, like the, the football player, like an absolute marvel. And, uh, you all told me to hate women. like
00:54:08
Speaker
Yeah. And, uh, IO at a Berry who obviously is also one of the stars of the bear, just like Jen, one of the funniest human beings on earth. yeah Also her letterbox reviews are very funny as well. Yeah. And I think she's an honorary Irish person. She's kind of been adopted by Ireland as well. Oh, that's her. I'm like Paul Mescal or like, or like super tight. yeah Yeah. And I think she she's just she says she played, I think she played a donkey in the band. She's a Venice shearing, but not Jenny, the donkey, to be clear. She was just yeah in method. According to herself, she was in method performance in the background. But like, um, yeah, I want to share both of those are really good recommendations. Um, like bottoms is it's, it's, it's insane how specifically fight club it is, which is the thing that I love about it. Like it is very specifically, we are doing Fincher's fight club to the point where like it begins as a fight club and then kind of develops into a terrorist organization. Remember sitting there going,
00:55:00
Speaker
It's insane how many studio comedies are just, what if we took a David Fincher movie too seriously? Like ah Game Night is another one as well, where we watched the Michael Douglas movie, The Game, and we thought we would play it entirely straight. ah ah hundred percent yeah Fantastic pitch. Yeah. Fantastic. And it's, you know, ah back, you know, when, when I was growing up watching VHS movies that were, you know, of my parents' times that I should not have been watching, I'm thinking of you porkies or, you know, revenge of the nerds. or like, you know, any kind of classic boner comedy in which like the, the structure of the movie is about like, Oh, we're going to see boobs and stuff. And it's like that via the lens of a, of a young gay high school girl is hilarious, beautiful and well done. This day, this day, right now, 25th anniversary, a formative boner comedy for me, American pie. There you go.
00:55:57
Speaker
25 years ago, Jason Big made love to ah to an apple pie or cherry pie. That was probably the the zenith, right? And then all boner comedies fell after that. I watched that with my parents. Because of course I did. Why did you do that? Why you shouldn't have done that? two two of the great family movie going experiences of my time. Like I was a kid then dad, like I had no pick in the movie. Dad just came back from like the extra vision, the video store and was like, I've heard this is a funny movie that we should watch together as a family. And I will say during the opening scene, the first thing my mom turned to me and she said from now on, you're washing your own socks. Um,
00:56:35
Speaker
That's a really, that's like a really good response from a mom. That's like really funny. And then the, that's very similar to the story about like going to see, is it broke back mountain where my aunt took my entire extended family to see broke back mountain because the men would love the cowboy movie and the women would love the romance. So it had something for everybody. This was her logic. So I'm sitting next to my grand during broke back down. And there's a scene where kind of Heath Ledger kind of grabs Jake Gyllenhaal and starts going about his business. and You know, it's silent and you can hear the grunting and the noise. You can see the silhouettes on screen. Yeah. I'm at that age. I'm what, like 16, 15, 16 or whatever. And my, uh, my gran in, in the middle of this, like sounds of the Heath Ledger grunting leans over to me and goes, so that's why John Wayne walk like that.
00:57:19
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my god
00:57:25
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You're almost like, were you saving this for this moment? Did you know this was gonna happen? You're like, I got this one. and I got this one in the chamber. This is gonna be great. Mama Mooney is there with the zinger. That was grand to me. That was my mom's mom, to be clear. Meemaw. Meemaw Mooney. Sorry, not Mama Mooney. Meemaw Mooney.
00:57:45
Speaker
with With the zinger to end all zingers. Take that, Wayne. I just want to podcast. That's just your family talking about movies or your dad's review of American Pie. It's just about a guy who's trying to come and at the end he comes. Yeah.
00:58:02
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but So yeah, that's that's it for me. That's that was my big. that Those were the movies I was proud to have finally watched. um I missed them kind of their first run and it was like, oh, yeah, I caught up on them. Very happy. It's funny that hundreds of beavers you brought up on a podcast with me. I can't remember what it was, but I kind of just I was like, I'll check this out. But also, this is probably a weird Jack thing. And then over the weekend, I was listening to The Big Picture. podcast that weekend, and which is a ringer podcast, which is one of my favorite movie, movie-centric podcasts. And the host brought up hundreds of beavers. I'm like, Oh no, this is like a real thing. I'm going to watch this. and i you watch it no i'm straight it took It took you and Sean. kind of sha but do yeah yeah yeah it took it took It took them. It wasn't just a, it wasn't just a Jack effort. It was all three of you. And to be fair, sometimes like don't go just off of my recommendations. I will recommend a a weirdo movie that you might not like. Yeah, yeah. No, but this was this was great. And it it it is like it's the the best slapstick. It's great. But on film and in and forever. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you say you didn't watch anything else. You did watch Poor Things and I want to do a dual convo because we've all seen poor things. But then I want to talk about Darren Kews on Kinds of Kindness. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Which we have not yet as far as I know. I had a good chance to see it. OK. Jack, what did you think of of poor things?
00:59:20
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ah it's It's what I think about a lot of Yorgos. We're giving you a lot of the tough names, but you're handling them well. It's it's what I feel about a lot of Yorgos' film, which is like, it is ah beautiful, beautiful to look at. It is exactly the film that he wants to make, which by the way, is not something you get to say with a lot of modern filmmakers. I think like how extraordinary is that he gets to make exactly the movie he wants to make. I don't like, I think it's so, I think it's way more simple than the artistry of the movie will admit. It's just a very silly story about just a coming of age story. That's it. And it has significantly more fucking than I ever would have imagined. So.
01:00:08
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Uh, it's a very European movie to be fair. i Like it is incredibly European in its sensibility. It's, I think one of the most expensive Irish films ever produced because it's an Irish production company that worked on element pictures. Um, and it's, it's shot on studios as well, which is remarkable. Like it's shot like, oh like movies used to be made where he went to like Eastern Europe. I think Bulgaria, I don't know for sure, but he basically rented out these, you the largest studio in Europe at the time that he rented. I think they build all of these sets. to big ah build all the sets. And like there's sequences where she's on a boat and she's looking out of the sky. And that's an led screen. It's like the volume. It's like that kind of effect, but it's real and it's tangible and it's tactile. And this is like how they used to make universal horror movies, which is like incredible. And he shoots it like they used to shoot universal horror movies. It's just, it's, it's, it's such a weird thing to like exist, you know?
01:00:58
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um No, and I'm so happy it exists. it's It is like, and but I'm so happy it exists, but if I'm going to be cynical at all, this is the exactly the kind of like pomp and circumstance and arty farty bullshit where it's like, eh. Like at the at the end of the day, this story is just like, oh, a girl figures out what she wants. but she settled that i like ah sad like
Artistic Films & Their Appeal
01:01:28
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That's story. like And it's like, it's, you know, yeah the, but, but pure artistry, like poor things is not a movie I can like recommend to anyone outside my arty farty circles, you know?
01:01:41
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I wish I would have seen it in the theaters just because I wanted to be there for how uncomfortable that is. A friend of mine saw kinds of kindness in a theater and he said it was the most awkward theater experience and he loved it. is So I'm very excited to go. Hopefully it's still playing in my art house theater ah this next couple of days so I can go see it. Like I will say again to bring the Mooney family into it. The poor things is a movie that my mother has been yelled at because somebody knows that I'm a film critic. They don't know my thoughts on poor things. They just know that like poor things got good reviews and they watched it on Disney plus, which is wild that this thing exists on Disney plus, particularly. Yeah, it's not like who stuff you couldn't just watch through Disney plus that's so fucked up. But in Ireland and in Europe, there is no Hulu, so it is all on Disney+. So it's like the acolyte and to the left, it's like poor things. You have fighting and you have fucking. But my mother got stopped by somebody, by a friend of hers who was so angry that she had watched Poor Things on Disney+, and was like, your son is a film critic. He should stop this from happening. How did your son let this happen?
01:02:54
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I'm like, I feel like you vastly overestimate the influence of an individual film critic. Against the the Walt Disney Corporation. And a movie they've already made. The movie's done. I didn't even put it to start. nine no was like at the At the end of the day, where it's just like, this is exactly the kind of movie I want. Where it's like, I'm not going to be. And like I've seen, I want to say I've seen all of your ghost's movie and I've always come away a little middling where it's like, oh, I love, you know, the the lobster, the favorite. Yeah. Yeah. A killing of a sacred deer, for example. sound to do yeah yeah
01:03:30
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And so it's like nicecy never. I always the best way to eat spaghetti. but Like I always come away feeling like, Oh, I'm really happy this movie exists. And I don't necessarily care about it. You know, if that can be a place to live in yeah weirdly, like, I like this a bit less than I love most of Lanthamuss's other films, which is a strange thing to do. Cause it's arguably the most Lanthamuss film I'm kind of like, I'm not quite in the Jack territory. Like I just think for me, the appeal of Lanthamuss as a filmmaker is that.
01:04:02
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His films are fundamentally about the idea that human beings are odd. Like we are very odd creatures and yeah we are very complicated and we don't make sense. And the way in which we express ourselves to one another is complicated and messy and doesn't make sense. No characters in any movies have ever talked the way that Lanthama's characters talk to one another. like And for for me, like a lot that's a large part of the appeal of his movies, where he you take something like, say, the lobster, which is a movie about how if you don't find your perfect partner, you will be turned into an animal, which is a absurd premise. But it takes place in an ordinary hotel. It's not like the Grand Budapest Hotel. It's just a boring house hotel. The killing of a sacred deer, which is like a classic Greek tragedy, takes place in a fairly banal ordinary hospital. But the characters all talk to one another in ways that no human being has ever tried to express themselves to another.
01:04:54
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And I find that, like, my big issue with poor things was when you make a world that is as stylized and as weird and as eccentric as the interior lives of Lanthamas' characters, they themselves seem less interesting and less compelling. Where, like, I find myself less engaged with the characters in poor things than I do with, say, whatever the hell is going on with Nicole Kidman and Colin Farrell's marriage in, like, killing him with sacred deer. Because, like, they live in a world that it looks like it's made of pastry. You know, it looks like, it looks like the first movie shot on location inside a pastry. And so it kind of loses a lot of the weird tangibility and tactileness that I really associate with anthem. ah And so like, I, risk like Jack, I respect for things, particularly like the craft that went into it more than I actually enjoyed it. Um, and I, I feel, yeah, it's probably my least favorite of the lantern most films I've seen. I have not seen Alps. I think, I think Alps was his first one.
01:05:50
Speaker
Do you think like part of part of your enjoyment of his earlier work is just that juxtaposition is like kind of like highlighting the otherness of the characters of of human beings and like contrasting the idea of like his worlds are perfectly normal. theyre Like the way that he shoots movies is very Kubrick and to the point where like the favorite is transparently Barry Lyndon. So like his framing is is very straightforward. It's very symmetrical. It's very clear. There's lots of glass. It's recognizable. The world that these characters are moving through is recognizable as a world that human beings live in. But his human beings are like Lovecraftian monstrosities that make absolutely no sense. And the laws that govern their relationships to one another, like, for example, seemingly the power of Barry Keogan to like murder a random child or the ability to turn people into lobsters. Those sorts of elements are surreal and absurd and they work so well because they intrude into ordinary settings in a way that captures the sense of like that weird fear. And maybe this is just me. Maybe this is me oversharing or whatever. The feeling you get sometimes that like other human beings are fundamentally alien.
01:06:57
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And like you'll never know what's going on inside another person's head because they have their own unique way of seeing the world that isn't your own. And like sometimes you have that fear that you don't understand, that it is impossible for you to understand the gulf between you and another person. Now some of these movies cover that for me because I watch them and I'm like, I don't understand. like Like these are people. I recognize these as people, but I don't, and I can, like, I can see there's something there, but I don't get it. And like that, that's why they're so effective to me. Whereas poor things, it's like, they look like cartoons and they look like Frankenstein's monsters. And like, they look like, you know, kind of like people made of jigsaw. And so,
01:07:39
Speaker
It's less uncanny or less effective for me because I look at them and I go, well, of course they're weird. They live in a weird world. They look like Tim Burton characters. that's exactly and yeah Yeah. And I say that like, I like the film. I don't hate the film, but that is, that is why it's not as good for me. So you're the only one of us who saw kinds of kindness so far. yeah what Where, where does that one sit on your, cause that that's like a, the trio of short stories. Is that right? yeah Three short films almost. made in 12 weeks while he was waiting for like the special effects to render on like, uh, poor things, which is incredible. know who He reminds me of, he reminds me of you, Darren, in that you're like, Oh, in between this, I'll learn how to edit videos and I'll just start editing videos. Don't worry. Yeah. That's part of my second job. Don't worry about it.
01:08:20
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I do love the idea that, yeah, like but I am, he is also like a bearded European, but like, I actually really loved kinds of kindness and kinds of kindness is like, again, it's, it's him working with the guy who wrote the killing of a sacred deer, the guy who wrote ah the lobster. ah So he's not working with Tony McNamara. He's working with the original thing. And it has this very Greek tragedy sensibility to it where it's kind of, it's about the idea of love. But it's about the idea of love as understood by Jorgis Lanthimos, which is to say that it is nothing that resembles anything close to what you see love look like in other movies. And it's about this idea of like, is love control? Is love sacrifice? Is love worship? And how far those ideas can be kind of warped?
01:09:03
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And they are basically, they are three movies. They're each about 50 minutes long. They have the same core cast. Cause again, it's that kind of that rotating cast thing. He literally grabbed, I love that he was like, ah yo, Emma Stone, Willem Dafoe and Margaret quality. You want to hop over to new Orleans for 12 weeks with me and make these three. crazy ass short movies that are released a couple of a couple of months after poor things. Like we, Emma Stone, you're going to win an Oscar. We're going to win more Oscars than any other movie apart from Oppenheimer. How'd you like to kill a couple of weeks in New Orleans making three Greek tragedies? um And I, I really, I really liked it. I've seen it three times appropriately enough. Um, and it, it's really stayed with me again. It's kind of got, it's got that it's that clap. It is that classic Lanthamos on his old shit again,
01:09:47
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where it is. It's a world that is recognizably human. It's again, it's it's very world's made of glass, concrete, lots of silver, lots of white, these kind of sterile spaces, symmetrical compositions, and characters who dress in clothes that you recognize normal people as having worn at certain points, but which still appear very strange when you see them in context. Yes. And it, I really, I really, really, really liked it. i um it' It's, you know, one of my favorite films of the year so far. One of my favorite films that I saw can. And yeah, just a delight. Beautiful. but I'm very much looking forward to it. Great. Yeah. Great. It also stars Jesse Plemons, right? And he's incredible. You know what else he's incredible in? Civil War.
01:10:31
Speaker
ah youll say that We just talked a little bit about Civil War. In one scene. yeah once it Talking about someone owning a movie for one scene. Jack, did you you haven't seen
Director Discussions: Garland & Lanthimos
01:10:38
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Civil War yet, have you? I've not. I've not. You have any desire. Where do you sit on the Alex Garland scale? Your ex machinas, your dads. I like ex machina. and i want Annihilation. Annihilation. Yeah. Oh, he ghost directed Dread. He wrote 28 Days Later. yeah he He wrote DMC Devil May Cry. the game case he You did. He wrote a couple of games for Ninja Theory. but Okay. he wrote go speech If he ghost directed Dread, I'm all on board with him. X Mach and I really liked Annihilation. I think was
01:11:15
Speaker
ah too simple of a movie. Uh, like, you know, I really enjoy monster as metaphor, but if then during the movie you just say the metaphor out loud, it kind of ruins the whole monster thing. Talk about how this is a movie about depression. like Like what if that's just how we end the movie is we just explained to you all the movie we watch, which is like, that goes too far for me. so But okay. So I'm okay. I'm okay with this person existing. I didn't see civil war. Uh, 28 days later and he's writing the new 28, 28 years later. Oh, yes it's near the cost, isn't it? Uh, what? 28 years later? No, it's Denny boil. Okay. I thought Nita cost is doing a 28. Like, are they not doing like, ah okay.
01:12:03
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Oh, let me just let me just go seven years later. Twenty seven nine years later, presumably after. No, as far as I know, last time I saw that Danny Boyle's come back. Pride of Ireland. Oh, OK. Twenty eight years later, sequel sets Nita Costa. OK, so she's directing the sequel to the Danny Boyle sequel. So I'm I'm one move ahead of you. Wait, she's directing. They're they're making a new one and a sequel is a new one. Yeah. like They're making a trilogy, apparently. Yep. They're all in. There have only been two 28 days later movies. And I haven't seen and they're going to be from the shit. It's what. Yeah, I have not seen a 28 days or years or months later weeks. I have not seen any of these zombie movies. And so that was kind of like when the 20 days later it was like a real that was like i feel like zombies weren't annoying yet.
01:12:56
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probably. I don't know. That was around the same time. That was, it was shot before nine 11 and released after nine 11 was the perfect thing about it. Right. Okay. So perfectly in the zeitgeist where people are like, there's no way that this was like written and conceived before nine 11 because the imagery is so evocative of nine 11. But yeah, 28 weeks later opens with one of my favorite scenes in any horror movie ever. Oh, the, the, the bit where he's in the house, like it just incredible with the Robert Carlyle, like Robert Carlyle in 28 weeks later is like one of the great deep, can we spoil it and say decoy protagonists in a horror movie? Sure. It's been, it's been like 15 years, 20 years, 15 years. We're well past spoiler. Because it begins with like, Oh, it's Robert Carlyle. You're in safe hands with Robert Carlyle. And it very quickly becomes clear. You are not in safe hands with Robert Carlyle. Because he does what I think a lot of people would do when there's a zombie attack and you're with your family. And it's, what if I could kind of use my family as bait and then try to... He force majores it. He force majores it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I wouldn't say he actively uses the family as bait, but when faced with, do I go back for them? Yeah, or do I get on the boat and sail away? Or do I run away? He just runs away, yeah.
01:14:07
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And then afterwards he's like, so, uh, so kids, you know, that I tried to do everything I could to rescue your mother. And then like, by the way, you know, they found mom and he's like, shit.
01:14:23
Speaker
Yeah. wonderful So you had a really great time with it. Yeah. so i'll I'll add it to my, this October i I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll watch him or I'll watch him for the first time. But so he did, he did civil war. yeah so yeah Civil War was the movie this year that um he he wrote and directed that. It was a nice like tight 90 minute movie about journalists trying to get to from New York to DC to ah try to get an interview with a ah the the despot president of America. Nick Offerman. yeah Yeah, Nick Offerman who instigated a modern Civil War.
01:14:56
Speaker
okay And the show is pretty much just a short kind of series of vignettes of them and trying to get in the middle of a war zone from New York to DC to get this final interview and the the kind of the atrocities they ah come across ah upon the way. Very like apocalypse now vibes. i It really worked. for me um in in in a way that I know it didn't for a lot of ah lot of people I know who saw it. Maybe they were going and expecting something differently, but um it's indifference to these horrors was something that I think was a feature, not a bug. That um kind of the way it just showed these like did these these terrifying moments of violence, terrifying moments of of brother on brother conflict and the kind of apathy towards it of like, why are we doing this? And it's like, well,
01:15:43
Speaker
This is is what we're doing. It's, it's, it's even something that it's like something that the new sees Game of Thrones is even exploring of that. Like you can't even trace back to what is the root of this thing. It's just the ball started rolling at some point and we are all items of the ball at this point. and it also like treats America the same way that America has like treated Vietnam and Korea and like every other and Iraq and Afghanistan in like all of the media that they've made where it's like, look, it's too complicated to explain what's actually going on here. The important thing that is that there's lots of gnarly shit going on and it's an exploration of human nature. And it's kind of fascinating to see that lens turned inwards on America, where it does have like a heap of iconography that is very explicitly American. Like there are Boogaloo boys, for example, in there, which is not something I expected to ever say ah about a major film released in American theaters. Hey, the boogaloo boys are having a moment. Um, but it, but it, it like, it is, it's taking a lot of that iconography and that imagery and just kind of like the climax of the movie is apocalypse. Now it's apocalypse now in the Potomac instead of the Danang river. Um, and it's, it's like really disconcerting to see viscerally.
01:16:54
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the iconography of America, the Lincoln Memorial, the White House, um, all of this stuff and see it rendered in the same way that, you know, the streets of Baghdad have traditionally been, or, you know, Saigon during the fall has traditionally been, it's, it's very effective. I think visual storytelling. I also think, yeah, it has some powerhouse scenes. The Plemmons scene is absolutely incredible. What kind of American are you? Yeah. Yeah. He has, he's one of those, uh, one of those seeds where he pops up for literally one scene of the movie and he just takes the oxygen out of the theater. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's already, um that's, that's got to be already on streaming, right? I guess not stream, but probably the VOD it is. It is on premium video. and Yeah. Yeah. I recommend that one on the list. Just add it to the big list. Uh, Darren, what are some of your other highlights of the year?
01:17:42
Speaker
I just, I'm looking at the comments here and realizing that people don't know what the Boogaloo boys are, but they have gotten the reference that it is, uh, an electric Boogaloo reference. Um, yes but to like the concept of like a civil war in America. yeah Um, yeah. What ah what a time, to be what time to be alive. Um, I do want to share it. Challengers, um, is probably like, like I do too is my favorite movie of the year so far. Challengers is maybe the second favorite. It's just such have you guys seen it? Have have either of you seen it? it's just virtuosa filmmaking i don't i don't know if i can deal with that amount of horny imagine and i'm
01:18:16
Speaker
There's a secret. What's the limit of horny? What if you don't watch anything for horny for a couple of weeks? Save up your horny and then use it all in this one movie. It's like, what if we cut out like Mike Feist? Is that going to give you an appropriate level of horniness? No, no, no. We kind of Josh O'Connor. I maybe, maybe you have me. Um, yeah. What if we could add Zendaya? It's It's like, how does that probably makes the movie more horny somehow? just virtuoso filmmaking. I don't They're going to be way too know if I can deal with that amount of horny. horned up without her. Yeah. I mean, I will like, just in terms of filmmaking, there is like, I think I mentioned this before, but the moment I fell in love with challengers is the moment where like Mike faced is like about to serve, about to serve. And he looks down at the camera and he's dripping sweat so hard that he blurs the camera lens. And I'm like, this is already, this is like, this is, this is cinema.
01:19:03
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And then, um, the director is like, Oh no, no, no, no. Now we're going to play a set from the perspective of the tennis ball. So like the camera goes into the tennis ball and he hits it across the court as it bounces back and forth as the Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross kind of like synth score. So, or like sores, it is, it is beautiful. Um, and I also just, I think it's just a really well-made film. I think the three leads are phenomenal. and it I think it is this wonderful study of like sex and power and lust and desire. And yeah, I think to de Marty's point, it is a movie that is like, where Zendaya is the least horny part of it. Yeah. Yeah. two but The two boys, and they're they're eating corn dogs. They're eating churros. Let me tell you. Yeah. There's a moment where Josh O'Connor leans over and like suggestively takes Mike face churro in his mouth. Um,
01:19:49
Speaker
Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Like Josh O'Connor eats a banana at one point. Like Mike face while they're playing. That's the same way I eat bananas. I don't break eye contact. Yeah. With the male colleague that you're with at that moment in time. Yeah, exactly. A lot of weirds happen in the real world. We don't either talk about that at all. Check out Eric, by the way. Oh, Eric, you found a joke. Oh, you found a joke. it Incredible churros. So it's like a two mama también. Yes. With tennis. Yes. It actually is like that. A two mama tennis. I love it. I love it. um Yeah. What else there? Great. Just keep your alum off. um ah with The Iron Claw is the other one that kind of jumps out to me as well. I don't know if you guys have seen it. This would have been a late last year release. ah The Iron Claw is just great. It's the kind of like movie they don't really make anymore. um I think I've heard it described by somebody. I can't remember who as like, you know, the way there are dude rocks movies.
01:20:47
Speaker
sure This is, this is a dudes don't deserve this movie where like it begins as this kind of triumphant study of the von Eric family dynasty and professional wrestling. And like it becomes very clear about half an hour in that this is going to be a story of tragedy after tragedy after tragedy befalling this family. And it it manages to do this incredible thing where it is incredibly profoundly sad. It is heartbreaking. It has this incredible cast. Like the boys are all incredibly lovable and charming. And it's full of these people that you desperately want to do well and want to do better. um And then
Film Analysis: The Iron Claw & Others
01:21:20
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they suffer setback after setback after setback. ah But you somehow it manages to remain cautiously optimistic throughout. Like I think there's been a lot of discussion about whether or not, you know, they should have swapped the role of Jeremy Allen White and Zac Efron. But I honestly do think that Efron is the movie's beating heart. um I think that like the movie would not work without Efron in the lead role because you need
01:21:40
Speaker
And I apologize to Mr. Efron for this. I am talking purely about his screen persona, but you need God's most perfect idiot in the lead role where you need this guy who has no guile, who has no cunning, who has no sense of manipulation or like arguably no inner life going on where you need this person to be pure and decent and kind and good and to be in no way manipulative or cynical or suspicious or anything like that. So you can follow through his eyes and you can just want to hug him. I just want to hug this guy for most of the movie and i don't think you would get that with jeremy alan white i think jeremy alan white you be like this guy is complicated there's a lot going on beneath the surface of this guy but i think the movie works because you follow. um Kevin von eric the character played by Zac Efron through the movie and all this stuff happens around him and he has this wonderful a lark where he kind of he grows up a little over the course of it.
01:22:29
Speaker
It's just beautiful and i think shawn durken the director ah quite fond of his work ah he did the nest a little while ago as well which is very good that's the jude lol carry coon movie um and i think that like. He manages to somehow make the american wrestling version of raging bull which is. something that is frankly incredible. What if Raging Bull, but about professional wrestling? And I'm like, that doesn't make sense, but somehow that's what this movie is. because it someone you know that yeah Yeah. Um, but also God's most perfect idiot might be the nicest and meanest thing. it' Like if someone said that to me, I wouldn't know if it was the the most beautiful compliment I've gotten all day, or if it's like the most scathing insult I will see even in my life.
01:23:16
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To be fair, though, that is the role that he plays very well. Like if you think about him in Neighbors in the Baywatch movie, yeah ah Mike and Dave need wedding dates. He that's like he is a beautiful, simple man. God's perfect himbo, maybe. Yes, perfect himbo. That like that himbo role of like kind hearted and totally hunky. I think I think it's a compliment overall. Yeah, I mean it as a compliment. I honestly do mean it as a compliment. I don't think he would take it as a compliment.
01:23:49
Speaker
But like, that's the thing where it's like, he tried to do, was it like incredibly wicked, shocking, the evil and vile, where he plays like Ted Bundy. And it's like, i I admire what you're trying, I see what you're trying to do with your screen persona, but no, like just, just no. Yeah. yeah Yeah. um The yeah the other for me, the other standout movie of the year so far in the exact opposite direction of the iron claw has well, I have some similarities. Actually, I saw the TV glow, um which is is probably the most moved I've been in ah in a theater all year. I actually saw it in in Milwaukee a couple like a month ago or so. um And it's it's it's ah Jane Shonan Brown's follow up to everybody who's on the world.
01:24:35
Speaker
We're all going to the World's Fair. And it's this um it's this hot like it's this dreamlike cotton candy ah high school world where we follow we follow the lives of these two um these two teenagers through high school and and beyond who um are are clearly going through things and clearly have trouble connecting with anyone around them, including their family. ah But they find this mutual bond in this fictional a TV show in the world that's almost like a shitty Buffy the Vampire Slayer um show that that they kind of become obsessed with. And then over the course of the movie, start thinking that there might be something more to this show than meets the eye. This might have just not been a normal show, but um it's also it's also very clearly a the the director is is a trans woman and it's about it's very clearly an allegory.
01:25:23
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throughout the entirety of the film. It's about transformative fandom. like that yeah Yeah, and and like putting so much of yourself in the thing you are a fan of to the point where it almost starts like breaking you apart and you you lose a sense of who you are. um And it is it is one of the most gorgeous movies I've seen in in like just just from moment to moment. One of the most gorgeous movies I've seen in a very long time, an incredible soundtrack. And yeah, if we want to talk about that kind of Movies that leave you devastated to go back out into the sunlight afterwards. um It was actually absolutely one of those. Yeah it's heartbreaking like It's genuinely heartbreaking like it's that thing where it's incredibly moving and incredibly sweet and like it is something that feels vaguely relevant It's kind of weird that you know that the thing I thought of a great deal about this is you know JK Rowling um and I need to be very careful because she's very litigious but like the
01:26:15
Speaker
The kind of the idea that you have this thing that you loved as a child or as a teenager in your formative years. And it was essential to your identity and essential to who you are. And you impose so much meaning on it that almost what the object is, is irrelevant. Um, and it kind of like you put yourself into it and you find yourself through it and it's ultimately you not it. and And kind of, which is something that is very interesting about the relationship between a person and a piece of art. And yeah, it is, it left me in pieces. um It left me kind of devastated and heartbroken. So yeah, I will, I will double down on Marty's recommendation of it.
01:26:51
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Yeah. Like if you are so, but the, I guess with the warning of this is a wonderful feel bad movie. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. And I'm less of an upper than the iron claw to be clear. And the iron claw has a much higher body count. I'm all down for a feel bad movie. I spent like, cause if you know that going in, you can prepare. Okay. I can get tissues in my pocket. Like I can, you know, have an Uber take me home. Yeah. But if you're just like, listen, I want a couple of goofs for now, go to hundreds of geevers. Yeah. yeah dont Don't go to the TV glow. Jack the guy in the theater for, I saw the TV globe and like, oh, yes, I love us yeah the guys here it. theater in his tuxedo and then strips it down. Like, listen, you just went to the movies on a Saturday night. You don't need to wear a tuxedo here. Um, you want to pivot over to pivot over TV?
01:27:48
Speaker
Talk about shows we've been been watching. Sure. Yeah. get a We got a lot of got a lot of TV. Jack, I want to start off. I want to work our way from the bottom to the top. because I want to talk about Reacher. you're You're in your Reacher. You're in your Reacher era. You're watching Reacher? He's Reaching. First of all, you are such a dad. um but One, I am an actual dad. Yeah. to like, and you know, we might've talked about this somewhere before, but like every once in a while you want something, you know, ah that like you said about, um
01:28:20
Speaker
about you said about I saw the TV glow, you want something complicated, you want something deep, you want something nuanced, right? ah you You like that in your art and every once in a while in your art, you want the bad guys to be bad and the good guys to be super smart and punch the bad guys in the face. And that's what Reacher is. Reacher is Beefcake Colombo and I cannot recommend it enough because it is so simple. Have you seen so big teams? I don't know who did it. He is so big. that Have you seen that video, that that video of the guy explaining Reacher, what Reacher is to millennials? Cause you're going to have to go home for Thanksgiving and talk to your dad and your dad has seen Reacher. It's one of the best pieces of cultural criticism that I've ever seen. And I like, I shouldn't acknowledge this. Like I'm a critic and I am envious of this video because he explains so succinctly what the appeal of Reacher is. Right. Most stories, most heroes are small.
01:29:15
Speaker
And they face big problems. So you're watching Star Wars and you're like Luke Skywalker. He's just a farm boy. And he's dealing with a ah threat that is a literal size of the moon. That's so big. How can this small man deal with this Frodo? He's got to take the ring to Mount Doom. He's such a small man. How's he going to do it? Whereas on the other hand, the thing about Reacher, you look at Reacher and you're like, he's a big guy. There's no problem on this earth that is so big that Reacher cannot handle it. There's no situation that Reacher will ever be put in where you look at it and go, man, this looks like a problem too big for Reacher. No, no, no. The beauty of Reacher is that, you know, no matter what the problem is when Reacher shows up.
01:29:59
Speaker
problems a small problem by comparison. yeah That is the appeal of Reacher yeah as drama. That is what resonates about Reacher. That is why Reacher speaks to all of us in these uncertain times. And I'm like, that is the best bit of criticism that I have given the Pulitzer now. um Honestly, I was having a conversation with someone recently about why I genuinely enjoy romantic comedies. I you genuinely, genuinely do like romantic comedies because life is complicated. Sometimes you want to know how the story is going to end before you start it. And Reacher was that.
01:30:33
Speaker
ah is is Beefcake, a man solving crimes. And you know, he's going to win. He's going to be right. He saves a puppy at one point. Like he does all the things the hero does. And the bad guys are so bad that you don't mind it when they get punched in the face. yeah punches Oh, he's got so many, he's got so many muscles behind those punches. see There's no situation where like, like in most movies is about where a big guy gets up and makes the hero look small. Like think of the big Nazi guy in rate of the law star where you're like, Oh my God, how's Indiana Jones going to get out? Or the big guy with the sword and he has to shoot him. Like there's, can you imagine how absurd the guy getting out of the car would have to be to intimidate Reacher?
01:31:14
Speaker
No. And, and that is like, that's part of the beauty of it is like, ah yeah like any serialized television show, like, okay, you know, you watch, you watch monk, you watch an episode of monk monk's probably going to win by the end of the episode. No one cares if, if monk, you know, doesn't, if he loses, cause we want monk to win. You know, Reacher is going to wild. Oh, thank you for Eric for showing yeah had the dog scene. yeah He found the puppy. Like Reacher will win every episode, every time, very few casualties on the good guy. And, and it's, it's, we need that every once in a while. Just a dumb, simple story on the good guy. And it's like, it's like being in a car accident with an SUV. It's more likely to happen, but more likely to be fatal, but for the people in the other car.
01:32:03
Speaker
Like one of, one of my very favorite Cohen brothers movies is a Barton Fink. Yeah. And you know, in Barton Fink, you know, the, the story is like this famed New York playwright gets, you know, called to Hollywood to make his big Hollywood picture. We just want you to make a simple wrestling picture The good guy wins the bad guy loses and Barton Fink, you know, spends the entire movie, ah you know, trying to make his art house masterpiece in the wrestling world. And spoiler alert for Barton Fink at the end, they're just like, this is too complicated. We need a wrestling picture. And Reacher is a wrestling picture. And and I love it.
01:32:40
Speaker
Yeah. There's something just beautiful and simple about it. You're like, okay, this is, this is nice. Like I'm, I'm just happy that the, the world can be simple sometimes. And sometimes just being strong does fix things. Honestly, just what if there was enough muscles? And he was really nice. He's just a real, yeah I was going to say a gentle giant, but no, he's a very angry giant, but he's gentle, but nice people. So, yeah. and no and And he's smart. He's nice. He's smart. He, all of his friends are very competent. It's it's he's going to win. Not everything needs to be complicated. Yeah. Of all the other shows we have listed here, everything else is some form of complicated. Yeah, morally ambiguous, conflicted. Like, yeah, who do we root for in this? I mean, I'm um I'm rewatching. I've talked about this on a stream earlier. I'm rewatching Parks and Rec now. And one of the reasons i I'm loving it, you know, on rewatch again is just because like everyone is so great and nice and pure. and Like even when they're like goofs and when when they like dunk on each other, like by the time you get into the show and the characters realize who they are and the actors really have like I handle on the characters. It's just like, Oh, you are all good. The best of us. Like this world would be better off if you were the people running, running things instead of running shows. Like
TV Shows & Their Themes
01:33:53
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that's Brooklyn nine nine. is a couldn play yeah well yeah yeah Yeah, which is beautiful. And it's like, you know, I think like Reacher exists in a perfect world or or you know in this world that we have, that is a perfect counterbalance ready for a segue to something like the boys.
01:34:07
Speaker
Right. Which, which is this like, Oh, this gray, where, where do we live? And you know, who, what are our heroes? Are our heroes actually the bad guys? Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, but what if even the people who are our real heroes in this show and that they're fighting the bad guys are also bad guys themselves. Yeah. What if everybody is a bad guy? yeah What if everybody just kind of sucks? with yeah you You know, we need both. i haven't I haven't been watching this season of The Boys. you You're caught up, right, Darren? I am. i've seen I've seen the entire season. So be careful you need to tell me what episode we're on so I don't spoil anything. I haven't watched it. I'm just waiting for it to be done to to to binge it all.
01:34:48
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um here's Here's what I will say about the boys, what I'm very happy about. I also have not seen any of the new season. I'm probably going to kind of wait till it's done and binge. I'm very happy that they're saying one more season and then we're done. I mean, I was really worried that they were going to just retread mill that for a while and run out of steam, but they they have an ending in mind and now they are working towards that ending. Congratulations, the boys. And they do. And like, you can tell watching the the season as a whole, that it's very much a season where they were like, please, Amazon, let us end. Like theyre they're like the writers are like, look, this story needs to end. And like, without getting too into it and talking about the fourth season. Um, so episode six is where we're at. So I'm going to be very careful here.
01:35:29
Speaker
But like one of the big central plot points of the but great shot, Eric, I really appreciate that. Having that image in my, in my frame of view, there's nothing weird about it. there' Nothing weird. No, no, just enjoy your i just know listen these don't have the context. Just a nice little milk, nice little milk, um, mother's milk, but yeah. So, okay. So apparently, okay. So it's the dungeon scene. So it's the spider man stuff. It's the back cave stuff. Okay. So I think I can orient myself. So the first, okay. And we're, we're, we're committing to the bit. Thank you, Eric. Um, but yeah, we're, we're going all in. Uh, we're really milking this bit, if you will. Um, it's an utter disgrace, but, uh, anyway, sorry, I'm being a bit of a tit. I apologize. Yeah. but also so i think you like so My favorite part of the boys is all of like, I, cause I like really horror, uh, elements and you know, there's a lot of dismemberment, uh, several characters, lactose.
01:36:19
Speaker
i like sort that friendever us away And then I'm like, no, he's pulling us back in. he's punish it Seth and Lee made the point that this is it's basically as close as you'll get to a Paul Verhoeven TV show. And I think that's entirely correct. Yeah. here it is it's It's about America, but it's also really graphic and really violent. And it's also really pulpy. But like the get to the point about the fourth season. Uh, the fourth season begins with Huey's father played by like Simon peg, like having a stroke and being hospitalized. And there's this big debate throughout the season of whether or not you pull the plug and you let him die gracefully on his own terms in his own time. And that feels like it is a metaphor for the show working through its own idea. yes As Jack said, needing to end. And obviously like the the ending of the third season um is that like Billy Butcher is told that he has one year left to live. And again, that's another sense of the show going, man, maybe these characters just need to fucking die.
01:37:11
Speaker
yeah And I do kind of, it is an interesting thing for a fourth season because you can tell Kripka announced, you said, you said that he announced before the season premiered, but he also indicated that he couldn't announce until like before the premiere, because he was still negotiating with Amazon, which means that like while they were producing this season, he was arguing with Amazon about the idea of the show needing to end. And the fourth season is kind of caught in that gravity where like, Homelander for most of the season, Homelander is like, yeah, I've really done all of the shit I could possibly want to do. I'm massively successful. I've accomplished. I'm a CEO. I've made millions and millions of dollars. There is nobody who can challenge me. Nothing is going to upset the status quo. It doesn't matter what happens. I'm going to continue to exist because this show is going to run in perpetuity. And the fourth season is very much like that is an existential nightmare.
01:38:01
Speaker
And obviously like there's a thematic political point there, which is the idea of like what it is like to live in a state of constant political chaos. I can't, as an Irish person, like I can't imagine what that's like. What would it be like to live in a political system where like you were living in a state of perpetual uncertainty about what the future was going to hold? I can't really imagine. And if only there were some nation on earth that were reckoning with something like that right now, up until around about November ish. Don't know what nation that would possibly be. But you do have this kind of sense of the show being also like, it needs to wrap up. We, if this show is going to have a satisfying ending dramatically, we need to be able to like line up the planes in order to land them um appropriately. We need to like decide that we're going to end in 10 episodes and therefore begin lining up all of the balls that need to
01:38:48
Speaker
you know, go in the goal and we need to like basically be able to say we will be done by the end of the fifth season. and We don't need to set up any threads that will continue on. We don't need to worry about any long-term plans. And I do think that you can see in the fourth season, the show navigating the complexity of wanting to do that, but also understanding that Amazon is going to take some very serious convincing to end what is probably their second or perhaps even first most successful multimedia franchise. Yeah, it's, it's a highly regarded show. It's talked about a lot ah and overall I think it's a very good show. ah But yes, that's, this is ah basically the fourth season. You are confirming what I was worried about, which is that treadmill running, which is like, yeah, we're doing stuff. Maybe we're inching a little bit closer to stuff, But yeah we're just going to spin our wheels for a little bit, which i I genuinely hate in in a complete narrative. You know, obviously there are serialized shows that can go wherever they want and happen in their own time. But the the boys feels like it should have an ending. Yeah. Yeah.
01:39:54
Speaker
And then to the show's credit, it gets there in the end of the season. But like the season does feel like it's a debate happening in real time. It's like I feel like the better thing would be for you not to have the debate and just make the decision. But it's like you also understand that the debate is actually happening as they're making the show. Sorry, Marty. No, no, no. and And it is funny, because even though like the show is coming to the end, the franchise obviously is not like that's Gen B Diabolic. yeah Yeah. Yeah. They're doing like a south of the border. Of course they are. but I think so.
01:40:29
Speaker
ah garol firstia garda agaia's here but and think so It's called the boys colon mexico yeah are you sure that's up on na codes yeah little colon Mexico. I love that. It's like we're just stealing from the Netflix playbook. It's like we could do they did Narcos Mexico. We could do the boys Mexico insane. What is boys in Hermanos the Hermanos Hermanos? That feels like you're getting into Breaking Bad. Yeah, that's brother. It feels like you're into Breaking Bad territory there. But again, it is going to run for, and like that's the irony of this, is that this is a show about like how evil capitalism is and about a large faceless corporation that exerts far too much influence and has far too much power and far too much money that is also made by a large corporation that has far too much influence and far too much money and far too much power. And so you have, again, that wonderful element of
01:41:20
Speaker
At what point does this stop being funny and start being incredibly depressing? Like at what point is it funny that Amazon is making a show about how evil Amazon is and start being sad that I am paying money to Amazon to watch a show about how evil Amazon is, you know? Yeah. yeah Yeah. you how Yeah. How do you feel about that? When like the, I mean, you saw that in the thick Warner brothers and space jam and Disney every once in a while where it's like, Oh no, look, we're, we're ah critiquing ourselves. And it's like, well, aren are you like this? Like, you're still charging me for the ticket. You're still selling like Warner brothers is selling the guy folks masks from V for Vendetta time warner gets a, gets a cut off those. So every anti-capitalist March is like funding time Warner or AT and&T or war discovery or whatever the corporate daddy is at the moment, you know? Yeah.
01:42:07
Speaker
Yeah. ah Pivoting to to more of the big shows of the year. Jack, I know you and I have both watched, finished and ah and some caliber have enjoyed a Delicious and Dungeon. Darren, did you do you know about Delicious and Dungeon? Have you watched any Delicious and Dungeon? I also haven't watched The Bear. So you guys will be cooking. Oh, neither of the food. I don't think Jax watched The Bear. All right. I'll let you guys have a heated discussion about it. here before we get into delicious and dungeon bit just because we can't necessarily have a conversation about the bear. Um, from what I have heard about the bear from someone who is currently watching season two, apparently it's reverse demolition man, which I'm very excited about in which hoity toity, uh, who am I assume is the titular bear tries to clean up a dirty restaurant. So, you know,
01:42:55
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It is great. It's like it's an anti demolition man. When you frame it like that. Yeah. go And he's he's in the iron claw. He's not God's most perfect idiot, though. No. He's carrying me on white, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. all All I know is the the Internet loves that man because he is hunky and sad. So he is hunky and sad. Yeah. And I will. We won't go into the big to big to depth on the bear. I'll probably talk about the bear with Frost at some point, because I know we both have a lot of thoughts about it. um But no, you could be unbearable here. the unbearable weight of what was it? The first two seasons I think are like near perfect. I think they're they're incredible. This was also a show that it filmed seasons three and four back to back. And I don't know if they've officially announced if that's going to be the end, but I kind of get the feeling it's going to be the end and that this is very much a first half of a final chapter.
01:43:49
Speaker
And so um there's a lot of there's a lot of but but like we said with the boys, that felt it feels like a lot of wheel spinning, a lot of like we but these characters made a lot of progress in season one and in season two and now we're in season three and there's just a lot of kind of lingering in line and waiting for something to happen. i Still think it's gorgeous still thinks it has think it has moments of like absolute brilliance the the um the the clear love they have for the city of Chicago in shooting it there is ah It's one of those rare things where you see a movie and you're like, oh that's clearly shot in that place And these people love that place where it feels like a little bit like a travelogue Yeah, this is this is worth it the terrible movie under Paris Darren. Did you see under Paris?
01:44:31
Speaker
No. shark Oh, and that the the shark movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's Jaws, but in Paris. They should call that was it was a Champs Elise's would have been the better name for that one. I got shark to triumph. What is happening? That is that is incredible. ah ah But anyway, that but that you literally the closing title card should be Finn in Finn. Yeah. um I don't even know what to say anymore. what was that Why did I even bring up on your Paris? Oh, clearly come the bear clearly film it You completely discombobulated me with those. like I was like, where am I? Are we still alive?
01:45:13
Speaker
Um, we, uh, no, but it is a movie that no matter how dumb it is, and it's very dumb. Uh, it was, it was shot in Paris and at the very least I was like, Oh, this looks nice. yeah That's a city I want to go to. Um, but yes, the bear, the bear season three had a similar thing. Uh, sticking with food, Jack delicious, yeah delicious and dungeon. One of ah okay. Uh, one of the most delight, if you are a fan of adventures of fantasy in general, ah you know, the dungeons and dragons specifically, if you are a fan of that kind of aesthetic and genre delicious in dungeon is an absolute must watch. It is heartwarming and delightful and they, they, they treat food, you know, Ghibli esque. They, you know, they treat food with such reverence and they really like take their time kind of like each episode has its own meal that they prepare with the episode, depending on where they are. And it is, it is such a delightful watch ah by itself. But at the end of season one, they are no closer to achieving their their goal than they were at the beginning of season one.
01:46:27
Speaker
And I'm kind of done with it. Like I'm just like, they seem further from achieving their goal, if anything. Yeah. And it's like, ah you know, such wonderful characters. We get, we, you know, this beautiful, interesting fantasy world, the food, like, but listen, you play Dungeons and Dragons and you watch Binging with Babish on YouTube. This is your show. But fucking we need an end. We stories need an end. Like it literally almost feels like you get to the end of 20 some episodes and it's like, and here's the beginning of the show. You're like, what? It's a surf Dracula. Isn't that what they call it on Twitter? Where it's like the surf Dracula was a popular TV show in the sixties. Now it's been rebooted for the streaming age. And at the end of the eighth episode, he looks at a surfboard, you know?
01:47:13
Speaker
Yes. That's exactly what it feels like. Uh, where, you know, like there is like a wonderful, uh, driving point for the plot. There's, you know, just a really, oh, really great heartwarming story. And we have spent 10 hours, 10 plus hours with these folks who are trying very hard to accomplish a goal that is very important to them. And they really should have made some progress by now. You learn how to make a couple of meals. I do want to shout out the comments are pointing to one piece, which has been running like what thousands of episodes. Yeah. Even I am like, even I am tangentially aware of like one piece. That's how. Yeah. And by the way, bullshit.
01:47:55
Speaker
ah How about that? How about bullshit? a Counterpoint, no. it If you are watching a show in that lasts that many hours and they have not accomplished their goal, that is bullshit. Stories need to have an end. get better protagonists. I i mean, they're literally going back and redoing one piece now and they're like, no okay, it's been like 25 years and we're just going to start the beginning again and we're going to redo the animated series, but we'll get caught up quicker. Don't worry. There's, there's all sorts of stuff we can cut out. They have not finished the story. So instead of finishing the story, they're restarting the stories in different mediums. That's a different team. That's a different team. Don't worry about it.
01:48:38
Speaker
being bullshit I love the trollishness of that. Like they should just get so close to the end and just be like, and then flashback 984 episodes ago. Guys, we've learned a lot about animation since the Clinton administration. We can really, we can really draw these fucking pirates. Let's go back to the beginning and draw the pirates. It is, it is like, how can you as a viewer watch a character you supposedly like fail over and over and over again? Let's be a sports fan.
01:49:11
Speaker
I'm about to say, like that yeah, that's a sports fan. I'm not a sports fan. That explains it. And mostly like a superhero comic book fan as well, to be fair. Like that's the Batman story in short, right? Yes. Batman, very bad at his job. He's like, I'll sort of crime in Gotham. yeah You haven't done shit, Batman. Fucking bullshit. Somehow it's worse. Like people weren't being poisoned with poison that makes them grin before he showed up. We just had regular criminals who were robbing banks, murdering people. taking their pearls gra all these weirdos on the street
01:49:44
Speaker
Have you any idea what you've done to our property prices, Batman? We just had people ripping pearls off of ladies before. That's it. Maybe someone got shot here or there, but now we have people blowing up entire neighborhoods. Do you have any idea what the stats are on blimp crime since you've shown up?
01:50:04
Speaker
Also, everyone should have realized when a bad guy came who was just man-bat, and they're like, this one's definitely on you. This guy's clearly inspired by you. No, and like also, like I understand the production logistics of a manga or of an anime. like That's their whole thing. They go on for a very long time. From a storytelling perspective, I want my stories to end. Bleh. I want my stories and I want my meals to have endings. Yes. I, I, it's so so to me, like while I, I have enjoyed every single episode of this first season of delicious and dungeon, it's been, uh, it like, honestly, it is a treat for me. Ooh, it's Thursday. I get a new delicious and dungeon. I, yeah I make a whole thing of it. It's, it's like just a little treat for me, but I want my, my stories to end.
01:50:55
Speaker
You call them your stories as well, like you're 85 years old. By the time you're calling them your stories, you want them to end because you're aware of the ticking clock of mortality. I'm going to die sooner than later. So at least that means going.
01:51:22
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Monk ended.
01:51:26
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Everybody's held up against this the the monk bar. um Ain't no monkey in your round. And and they revive they took Star Trek. I was like, oh, stay at least Star Trek's over. Fuck. yeah That's the, is it the Wired article from like 2015, which is like one of those like big eye opening moments for me, which is you will not live to see the last Star Wars movie. And that is like a moment where I'm like, this is just what pop culture is now. yeah I have just accepted this. Nothing ends. Nothing ends. And I'm so checked out of so much of it where I thought, I thought things might end now and they're not.
01:52:03
Speaker
So, ah ah it feels like a fitting segue to one of the last, and we're we're gonna go over the last few shows and then then get to the final Super Chats. We've been very productive today. No, we have, but and this one makes sense. There was a show I loved, possibly my favorite show of this year, earlier this year, that I thought ended, and I thought had a great ending, and then they announced we're bringing everyone back and we're doing more of it, and that was Shogun. So Shogun ends and it comes based on a book and it ends. And then I was like, oh, wow, they're just one season. They're going in. It was a huge hit week to week. Everyone talking about it and they're just done. I'm like, I'm really proud of them. And then sure enough, I wake up Monday morning and they're like, yeah, we're coming back for more. I don't know what it is yet. We don't know. It's going to be the same. Definitely not some of the same cast is coming back, but like no one knows what this thing is. It was just a flesh wound.
01:52:58
Speaker
I mean, my hope is that they come back with the same cast and just tell a completely the different story and just recast everyone. That would be like my pitch for it would be because obviously their basis at James Clevilles, like Asia, which is by the way, like I love the arrogance of like a British author being like, I've got a series of books. It's called the Asia series. It's just ah Asia. That's what the books are. Not a couple of books, everything you need to know. Oh, but Asia, um but it's basically the history of like Japan over the course of centuries. And I would love to see like, cause obviously Shogun has been adapted a couple of times. Cause it was the classic mini series from the 1980s. I would love to see them do like a far.
01:53:37
Speaker
go ask, they take the ensemble and just kind of recast them and do another book, like from the same author, cause it'll have the same style, bring back the same writing team, the same cash shoot in the same locations or whatever, and just have it be set like a couple of hundred years afterwards. Like I just deal with a different period of Japanese history. Um, but a part of me worries that it'll just be Shogun 2.0, you know, or And how great would it be to have the actors be able to play against what you think they're going to play? Like have like you your sonata play a way different character or I don't know if that is culturally sensitive, but i I'll allow us. I don't know if I'm technically committing a hate crime, but okay. It's Eric committed to hate crime. hello that's fine
01:54:24
Speaker
Uh, I thought, uh, context, by the way, for anyone who's just listening to this, uh, Eric, put a little, Eric put a little digital hat on there. Nothing, uh, you know, yeah yeah i know because yeah but when somebody declares like, that's a hate crime on audio, we should be clear. to be sorry I would immediately go to something way worse, but no, yeah it's fine. that's one basic Just a little hat. It's good to be clear. <unk> hot and a hat Um, the, uh, uh, what did you, what did you think of Shogun? Uh, the, the show itself. aon I really loved it. um It was really wonderful. It was like one of the big surprises of the year ah because there were relatively little fanfare. I got the kind of previews of it. ah To be fair, Disney did sell it really hard when they sent on the screeners. They were like, you're going to want to talk about this. So you're going to want to read about this. And I did. And it was amazing. Like there've been a couple of instances I want to shout out, like, because there is so much media.
01:55:15
Speaker
There've been a couple of instances this year where like PR people have reached out to me and said, here's a screener. And then I've ignored them. And they've got back and said, you really should watch the screener. And they've mostly been correct. Showman was one of those cases where like showman arrived for me in January and I was just blown away. I watched the the whole season before anybody got to see it. And I was like, this is something special. And it was actually just really great to see everybody kind of connect to it the way that I hope they would. Cause there are times when you get previews of things or you see screeners of things ahead of time, like say Ripley, the, um, the adaptation, to the talent of Mr. Ripley starring, um, Andrew Scott. Yeah.
01:55:48
Speaker
And it's amazing, but it also just like disappears into the ether once it gets released. Whereas like Shogun, I watched it and I was like, this is amazing. And it was like, just really great to get to experience in real time. Everybody discovering how wonderful and how like brilliant it was and how much they loved the characters and the performances and how engaging it was. Like I had a really, really, really great time with that. That was just an exceptionally well-made piece of television. And again, the power of week to week, as opposed to just vomiting everything all at once. And it feels like the um conversation is over, you
Character Analysis & Film Comparisons
01:56:20
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know, within a week. Like this felt like it just kept gaining momentum and more and more people were watching and then something crazy had happened on episode and tell their friends to watch and they'd get caught up in everything. um
01:56:28
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Yeah. Uh, almost like, it's almost like TV is a model that works and is sustainable. And maybe we shouldn't have broken it without figuring out what we're going to replace it with, but I don't know it sos this method of producing media that developed over the course of decades has some merits to it as an art form possibly be that, um, Wanna to want to chat really quick about House of the Dragon? what what our what What thoughts are at this point in the season before we get to the final final ah wonderful batch of Super Jets? Looking for some hot takes.
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ah yeah how thating as the text I'm liking it a lot. Again, it's very easy watching. It's very well made. The cast are very charming and charismatic. And I do think that it is doing some interesting stuff with regards to that thing you mentioned about civil war, which is that idea of, and again, now not to, not to generalize and make some broader comment about the media that we seem to be watching and the general atmosphere in which it seems to be produced, but there's a real vibe of like. You know, maybe civil war is kind of inevitable. That seems to be like permeating so much media right now. Like the the main message of media seems to be, you know what? Maybe brother will kill brother and maybe nations will collapse into each other and maybe empires will fall. And you know what?
01:57:43
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Shit happens. It's such a weird thing to watch because you watch so many movies and television and it really does seem like, is everybody okay? You guys need to talk to somebody. Is there something you guys are working through maybe in your media? And I do actually really like the sense of- The Reacher folks are okay. The Reacher folks seem great. The Reacher folks seem very chill. They're like, just a big guy, I'll come along and solve the problem. That's all you gotta do. Yeah, we need- We need a more big guys. um but i said I think Marty made the point here. They're on like, there is something I really love about the idea of inevitability that runs through the show where like the characters don't really have agency. And it seems like the civil war is going to happen no matter what the characters want because of, again, a series of dominoes, actions, reactions, consequences that are not necessarily intended or planned or desired or motivated, but are just inevitable. whether they come from the bottom up. So it's the smaller houses taking the opportunity of the feud to feud amongst themselves and therefore drive the larger houses to war, whether it's the dragons that don't seem to follow any commands, whether it's the Kings who can't lead their nations, but who yeah also decide to ride into battle on an ounce and therefore break any sense of formation or tactical strategy that's going on. And I do think there is something very compelling there. I will say one big complaint I have about House of the Dragon. It's afraid to let Rhaenyra and Daemon be like truly monstrous. Like it it is a show. It's a show about this idea of civil war being inevitable and how pointless civil war is and how it's going to destroy this house in royalty and how it has no real consequence whatsoever because it's a prequel to Game of Thrones. And by the time Game of Thrones starts, we know that there isn't a Targaryen sitting on the throne. So we know that everything these characters are fighting for is from the basic premise of Game of Thrones completely pointless.
01:59:24
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But the show is reluctant to commit to the idea that its characters are all entirely reprehensible human beings with no redeeming features whatsoever. And so it kind of like, it's like, but what if, and hear us out here, what if one of these Royal people who's willing to burn the entire country to the ground in order to sit on a throne made of iron, what if she's not a bad person? And I'm like, uh, feel like, I feel like the options are either she's a bad person or she has no agency whatsoever. And I would much rather watch an interesting bad person than a character with no agency whatsoever. Yeah. I think they were, they were very worried about not giving audiences that sort of. line near as they are know Yeah, someone to latch onto and be like, oh, this is my North Star in this show, whereas I was even talking to my mom about it and she was referring to like certain characters not by their name, but who as like, oh, well, you know, on the good side. I'm like, I think they failed if there is a clear good side and a bad side of this. I don't think that's what this is supposed to be. Yeah. Yeah.
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Um, but yeah, no, I do it ah that aside. I do agree with there and it's still it's, especially in the second season, it gained its confidence and it's, it's acting its direction. It's, it's, uh, it feels incredibly quiet. Yeah, really, really this last episode was great. yeah a Great time with it. Yeah. Dragons. Who knew? Put a bunch of dragons in the show. Cool shit happens. You ever see dragon heart? Sean Connery was a dragon in that film. Dennis Quaid. Yeah. Sean Connery. Sean Connery, the voice of the dragon. Yeah. He named the dragon, what, Draco? And then Sean Connery was like, actually, that's racist because that's just dragging in a different language. I remember that. yeah That's locked in there, by the way. not
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You've forgotten like the birthdays of close friends, but you remember that. I'll walk into the other room, forget why I walked in there. Remember Dragonheart, don't worry. Scene by scene, line by line. Rain of fire. I want to shout out rain of fire. It gives the kid a piece of his dragon heart to save the kid, but then the kid's bad. What? Is titular dragon heart? Yeah. It's a whole thing. The titular dragon. We're going to drag it here by the end of the year. We'll drag watch rain a fire. It's like Willow week. It's just like Willow week where it's just as long as we can't do a week again because we're going to get the show canceled and literally removed from existence.
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So I guess they were like, that's too much enthusiasm. Yeah. like If we want to do it tactically, like we can we can look at a show we would just want wiped from existence. I'm adding I'm adding Dragonheart to our potential list of maybe that's a movie we can watch for Patreon movie night. I think that's great. I think that's a great idea. Let's jump over to Superjets, shall we? Yeah. All right. Drago, thank you so much. Speaking of names that kind of sound like dragons, Drago, Draco. Drago, thank you so much. With 10,000, Paraguay and Guarani. First time I've ever said that that but currency out of my mouth. Thank you so much for the don't know. Cheers, lads. Appreciate you. yeah I think you say that say it out of your mouth as if you imply that you've so secreted it from another organ.
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never I've been speaking into the wind before. I was going to sing it out of my nose. Yeah. That was good. That was like a little Yoda voice. Sir George Lucas with two euros. Thank you so much. Anyone remember Shoot Em Up? Starring Clive Owen. I remember he ate carrots and he killed a man with a carrot in that film at one point. It's shoot him up the the one with Jared Butler as well. No, I think it's Paul Giamatti. I get to. I get to. talk all the time Paul Giamatti and Jared Butler. And there's ah they're fighting over a baby. Yeah, no, it's not Jared Butler. It's Clive Owen is shoot him up Jared Butler. Is that the one or smoke in aces smoke? No naces. Yes. Smoking aslining over a baby. No smoking aces is everyone. That's like Ryan Reynolds. I'm thinking a player. It's a plan.
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So anyway, back to Dragonheart. Yeah.
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There's your baller up to he was and he was in a ah dredge, wasn't he? Was he trying to? That's right. I'm thinking of the movie. You know, I'm thinking a gamer, a gamer over here. All right. Urban was dread. Carl Urban was dread and he plays, uh, what's his name? elot And he also plays. Yeah. One of the guys in Lord of the rings and stuff as well. He's the horseman. He's the real McCoy. He is the titular doom guy in doom. dar in Dwayne, the rock Rocky, and Maya, via Johnson. That's right. As a first person scene, and rosy mo likeke right?
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I was like, what a, what a movie. It's really bad to do movies. Very bad. Oh, is the rock bad actor? Yes. He's, is he not doing the, uh, Benny sad fee movie? I think he's going to release a banger this year with one of the safty grows or something. Pain machine. Yeah. Pain machine. He looks very different. He looks very strange in it. And I guess one of the one safty alone, safty could work. It's like a lone Cohen, it's like a lone Cohen or a lone Farley. Hey look, the lone Farley won the Best Picture Oscar to be fair, so anything you can live your dreams. A lone White Chastity gave us new Matrix, right? It can happen. Yeah. Damn. Damn. Polished tea with a $2 don't know. Thank you so much. Oh, do we have any thoughts on shoot them up?
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Other than we didn't know what it was, and I'm pretty sure he eats carrots and kills a man with a carrot in that movie at one point. So that was our tune up. But yeah. So I apologize to you, thank you for the $2 Dono. Favorite Neil Breen. Bonus for favorite line. I feel like this is a Jack question.
02:05:25
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Oh, hold on. i Oh yeah. Uh, every once in a while, I don't know why my computer does this. Uh, I have my volume mixer open on windows and the volume mixer is telling me that audio is coming from discord, but I cannot hear you. So I have to mute you and unmute you. it your it's so it's It's because the computer's a liar. Yeah, it is not your fault. I have no idea why it does that. So, uh, favorite Neil Breen, what movie Neil Breen movie. And do you have a favorite Neil Breen line? Uh, fateful findings, uh, is, uh, the best Neil Breen movie. It's that perfect mix of like his big ideas and his ego, but he didn't quite like have ah the budget and nothing. Uh, not everything is on green screen. So fateful findings, uh, and from fateful findings, uh, it's a magical day.
02:06:11
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Uh, they find a notebook in a magical forest and in the notebook, it says it's a magical day. So there you go. I have never seen a Neil brain movie. I'm going to be honest, i should but I haven't, that's the one to watch. Yeah. There you go. You got brained. You got brained. With a $10 donor, thank you so much, Quintuple. I have to join a work call 30 minutes in and I cannot express my joy at seeing you three together again. Aw, thank you, Quintuple. That's very kind of you. Thank you. I hope you're listening back to this if you don't like your work call.
02:06:44
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um I'm gonna be honest, I think he sent that like an hour and a half ago, so it's very possible. He's already eaten dinner, already ducked in for the night. Polish G with a $2.00 don't know. Quibi or Movie Pass, which was the funnier failure? I'll stand by Movie Pass every day because it was such a great deal that I knew it was gonna eventually fail, but I utilized the fuck out of it for like a good nine months and it was great. Yeah, I obviously that didn't exist in Ireland, but it does seem like it's one of those things where it's too good to be true. So you therefore accelerate its eventual collapse. I kept telling my friends about it. And I'm like, it is not, it is literally the greatest deal ever, but it will not exist in six months. So like,
02:07:29
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holey and get ready to hop off when I tell you, like I'll keep an eye on this motherfucker. I would have loved to to have seen their math like before this launch to be like, this is our projections. Clearly no one will see enough movies to make us lose money. Clearly. Yeah. look at our What was it? What's the all you can eat shrimp type situation? yeah with them but loves yeah it's yeah There's no way this is a loser. There's no way anybody can eat that much shrimp. um Exactly. But it was like, like their math was something like if, if someone sees two movies a week, we're sunk. Whereas like who are you P it was their math was terrible.
02:08:14
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And you were seeing stuff in downtown San Francisco where like IMAX tickets were like $25. I'm like, no, it was so stupid. it It's, you know, having someone in charge of movie pass who clearly does not go to see movies. while I'd go see I wouldn't even go to the movie. I would just buy a ticket with movie pass for free And I just want to boost it box office numbers it was like a little whiy that i'm like listen Didn't like your first weekend. I'm gonna give you a little give you a little help in the second week I'm not even going to go into the cinema oh' great yeah
02:08:47
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I'm shocked it didn't work. ah Jason Tudor with a $5 million, dollars not technically 2024, but my favorite watch of 2024 is hundreds of beavers. I don't have so much in decades and I can't get anyone to watch it. I don't know if that was before or after we talked about it, but Jason, yeah you have you have hundreds of beavers allies here. Yeah, we're we're with you. Also, like, if you liked hundreds of beavers, the movie they made before that, the Lake Michigan monster, ah similar vibes, not quite like they didn't hit the polish, but the actually I, the filmmaker invited me to a screening here in Milwaukee at ah the downer theater. So I got to see that in a theater and it, you know, very, very cute, very quaint, but it is definitely like, Oh, this crawled. So hundreds of beavers could walk. So.
02:09:32
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That's great. I used to live a block away from the Downer Theater. I'd go to that Starbucks in the bookstore. Used to be called Henry Schwartz. I don't know if Henry Schwartz died, but it used to be called Henry Schwartz. Too much TV, dollar donation. Thank you so much too much TV. Also, no such thing as too much TV. Guy on couch, thank you for the donut. Yo, finally got an entertainment podcast. The transition feels complete. I promised myself I'd make my first donations when you guys finally had one or had a one year anniversary, whichever came first. We're getting weirdly close But appreciate that welcome back Darwin's dummy with a $2.00. Don't know following poor things talk Sexiest Disney movie lady and the tramp
02:10:15
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That was a movie or a sexiest Disney character. I think they just said movie. um you can You can answer it whatever way you want. You're the host. Beauty and the beast seems to be the consensus pick. I'm not judging. Um, uh, you know, I'm beast, not really my type, but I know a lot of people who are very, in now keep in mind, it may also just be that I attract a certain kind of person. who is blow Yeah. Oh, you're picking those numbers up. You're picking those numbers up. Yeah, I'm just going to lean over some people to sit over there. Yeah, there we go. OK, maybe you could settle this on a stream the other week. We started talking about Beauty and the Beast, and I'm very pro-guest on. The best Disney villain.
02:10:54
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Oh no, I'm just pro Gaston. I'm just like, in general are you like the beast kidnapped that woman and Gaston tried to save her. Gaston is an ally is what is the hero of his story. Yeah. Hero of his story. But Gaston is great. Like one of the great Disney villains and that song, um, Gaston is one of the great Disney villain songs along with hellfire from, um, the Don't expect not sham. But yeah, just in my experience, Generally speaking, the people who I have had this conversation with have almost unanimous. There we go. Have almost unanimously been like Beauty and the Beast is the sexiest Disney movie. And it's like, I don't know if that's selection bias because they end up with um this, but, uh, you know, candelllabras there's something inherently sexy about candelabras. You know, I think, I think that is the movie fun behind them.
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but I think, uh, that is, that might be the Disney movie that spends the most time on the relationship, you know, like little, little mermaid ah unbalanced, uh, to say the least, uh, same with sleeping beauty and snow white. That is an unbalanced relationship. And so like, you know, beauty and the beast is one of those movies where it's like, Oh, we get to see them grow as a couple and, uh, nothing is sexier than slow progress towards open communication. Yeah, absolutely agree with you there. That was beautiful. ah Brandon McDonald with a $20 don't know. Thank you so much, Brandon McDonald. Hello, guys. Have you all seen the movie Kidnapped? Directed by Marco Bellocchio about Eduardo kidnapping by the Catholic Church. A very fascinating movie about religious indoctrination. By the way, Gladiator 2 looking good. Is that the movie Spielberg wanted to make out of here? And again, I feel like I'm asking the wrong question. But like, yeah, like i I've never even heard of it.
02:12:41
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Spielberg wanted to make a movie about a kid who was kidnapped by the Catholic church and kind of indoctrinated. I don't know if it was the same one. Interesting. Um, for years. So I've not seen it. I didn't know that it had been made. It was that, uh, it competed for the Pomdor at last year's kin. Oh, okay. No, I missed that one. Unfortunately. Yeah. Uh, but then agreed, uh, the gladiator two trailer came out this morning and I think it looks like a gladiator one remake. Uh, but he's like, Oh, well there's stuff I didn't get to do the first time, like somehow flood the Coliseum and have a cool boat fight in the middle of the arena, which I don't get at all. but just sentence entirely they use the apparently that is know Yeah. It looks great. Good cast. Yeah. Yep. That's cool.
02:13:22
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I was, I'm incredibly skeptical of gladiator too, but I have to say the trailer kind of won me over in large part because it actually looks like gladiator is the thing. Like many of modern, many modern blockbusters in general, but many ah like Ridley Scott's modern movies kind of have this washed out gray cinematography too. And I was kind of worried that when he was doing gladiator too, it would have that kind of feel, but it does have that sepia tinted looks like actual film, film look to it from what I saw of it. And yeah, Danzel Washington is going to bring down the Roman empire. Which is, I'm all in board with. Shout out to Denzel. Yeah. Pure Pyro with a two euro down. Oh, have you guys seen Love Lies Bleeding? I saw it. And you wrote about it earlier this year, right? I don't think I wrote about it. Did we just talk about it? Oh, maybe we just talked about it. Yeah. Again, this is one of those things where it's like I saw the TV glow where it's like, I don't know if I'm the voice people want to hear.
02:14:12
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The straight white guy has very important thoughts on Love Lies Bleeding. And I saw the TV glow. Everybody make room, make room. I'm ready to render my party. I loved both of them, to be clear. um I actually really loved Love Lies Bleeding because obviously it's it's a wonderful film noir throwback. Great wig acting. One of the great like villainous wig performances since Anton Chagura from like No Country for Old Men on Ed Harris. Like Ed Harris is one of the great villain wigs. But I want to shout out, like one of my favorite things in movies and pop culture in general is that like this has a moment where
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something terrible happens and like there's a bloody body left on the floor and the characters just stand there contemplating the scene for a second, panicked, nobody expecting the scene to have gone this far. And then one of the characters says, hold on, I know a place. And I'm like immediately dialed in. One of the characters in this movie revealed themselves to basically be a better call Saul supporting character. And I'm immediately on board with it ah because it initially seems like it's going to be kind of like a fish out of water. Western story about a muscle. That was that big girl who comes to town, played by Katie O'Brien, who's going to like stir shit up. She's going to like disrupt whatever's going on in this small town. And it very quickly becomes clear that that is not what this movie is at all. And in fact, you should have been watching Kirsten Stewart's kind of like mousy, quiet, reserved gym manager character. um And it's it's just delightful. I had such a good time with it.
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This is the the same director as Saint Maude, correct? same maud yeah yeah Yes, which is a a must watch as far as I'm concerned. this ah loves lies Love Lies Bleeding is at the very top of my list. I literally had plans to watch it ah just yesterday. and Extra work stuff happened, but it is the next move. I have a physical list of movies to watch and loves love love lies bleeding is right there. So my next free couple of hours goes to love lies bleeding. I'm, I'm very excited because I very much enjoyed it as much as you can enjoy St. Maude. I enjoyed watching this on a plane flying to Chechnya or fine to Vienna. And like, I felt more uncomfortable. It was a bad choice to watch on a plane surrounded by children. Good movie. Good movie.
02:16:28
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Do you recommend that's how everyone, that exact flight, yeah if you can get them all back together, it was like that, but is it like, I think like manhunter does it. And I think like mindhunter does it as well. The bit where the police officer falls asleep with the crime scene photos on there. Like yeah yeah but yeah that is exactly how I felt while watching this movie. And I was like, if I turn the iPad so that only I can see it, does that make it better or worse? Right. Are the people next to me going to judge me more or less yeah by the fact that like, Oh, now he's sensitive about what's, what's being shown on screen. yeah That's, that that is a recommendation. don't Don't watch, don't watch around the normies. yeah
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sort of watch i think that's pretty perfect yeah Slap that on the back of the box. Yeah. Uh, George Lucas with a two Euro don't know. Thank you so much. Tell me all about these planet of the apes movies.
Latest TV Seasons & Impact
02:17:23
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I liked Kingdom and the Point of the Ips. Not as strong as the two Matt Reeves ones, but I still enjoyed it. I mean, like the problem is like the two Matt Reeves movies, and I'd argue they throw in like Ryze as well, is that they're basically like the perfect blockbusters. They're for my money, the best blockbuster trilogy of the 2010s. Yeah. And you have that kind of Fury Road problem or Furiosa problem where like you make a sequel to them that is very good on its own terms, but you're like, it isn't the most perfect blockbuster of the past 10 years. Yeah.
02:17:52
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I really enjoyed it and I actually watched it again today because it came out on digital today and is well worth watching. But it doesn't look as good as the two Matt Reeves movies. Did it come out on digital today? It came out on digital today and it doesn't include the naked version of the movie, which I'm very excited to see, which is the version where- So there's going to be a version where the monkeys are, the actors actually- They're in the mocap suits. Yeah, very fun. So instead of showing the monkeys, it'll just be people in green suits. And I really want to see that version of the movie just as a piece of performance art. Absolutely. But like I watch it's a good movie. I really enjoyed it, but not quite as like perfect as the two res movies. But then again, like rise wasn't as perfect as the two reasons. So you never know what's very enjoyable. Yeah. I I have not seen any of the new movies. They're very good. And by the way, I have absolutely no desire to like.
02:18:43
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They did not make it to the top of the list. Yeah. No, no, I know they're like, you watch them and you go, America, you okay. You feel like you're going through some stuff. Like that's, that's the vibe of those movies where like you have like, um, Woody Harrelson standing in front of a, like a torn American flag doing Marlon Brando for a buck. Let's now say this will not be a nation of apes. And I'm like, Are you guys okay? Is everything okay over there? Like do you guys need to like just sit back and talk? Things are not okay. are Deeply not okay. ah SVS guru with a five-year-old don't know. Thank you so much. Man, I missed another stream. Nonsense. SVS guru. You're here in our hearts. Per pyro with a two-year-old don't know. What did Darren think of season five of Fargo?
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I actually watched season five of Fargo. I haven't not seen season four of Fargo, but I jumped straight into season five because it was illegal to do that. I know they're all different, but I didn't realize, I didn't realize a streaming service will allow you to do that. Chris Rock and Jason Swartzman come to your house and they're like, excuse us. We did not make an entire season of Fargo for you to jump straight, straight to John Ham. Straight to naked John Ham. With nipple rings in a hot tub. in the first episode. That's great. know nipple rings good for his it's It's like, it's a choice. It's like, there are a lot of choices made this season, which is great. Uh, wonderful, like really, really, really wonderful. And it's wild that like John ham made this, and then he did the remake of mean girls, which I also thought was very, very good. But like the big change in the remake of mean girls is that he plays the coach and the coach is no longer a sexual predator because it's no longer 2003. So it's wild that he's like, okay, but I'm going to do Fargo and on Fargo, can I be a sexual predator? And Fargo is like, yeah.
02:20:22
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we We got you, John. ah just go Just go for it. We got you. But it it's ah it's a really wonderful season of television. I thought it was incredible. It is... maybe the second, my second favorite season of it after season two. Um, so i' been my best he's du perfect season two is just one of the great season of television and season five is like just really, really wonderful. Um, and again, another one of those is America. Okay. TV shows. And again, we are telling you, we are we are not, we are being very clear that we are not okay. We keep repeating that.
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ah Red dwarf with a $5 don't know. Thank you so much thoughts on sugar I like to show it was instead of the show it became like man in the high castle Yeah, that was a bit of that was that was a strange one I actually was I was there for the entire ride knowing something weird was gonna happen And so I was sort of with it without spoiling it I was I was prepared for a strange pivot about two-thirds through the show um Colin Farrell is just immensely likable in in a sort of modern noir take on you know yeahve I've got to find the missing girl in LA embroiled in the film industry kind of thing. I really enjoyed it, honestly, even with the twist.
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Yeah. I mean, I feel like the the problem with the twist is the twist like changes the plot. Like the twist should just change the theme and the character, but it also changes the plot where the like final, as you said, it's three quarters of the show is a straight up LA noir detective story. And then there was a sharp pivot into a different kind of story. And what you expect to happen is for the show to continue to be a detective show, just with this like different element of it in the background. But instead the show's like, na ah, new show. Like it's just like new stakes, new rules, new character dynamics, new priorities, new like central motivating plot elements. And you're like, but no what that's, you can't do that. Like you just, it's rare to give in genres so sharply in a season. Like I get, okay, we're changing season one to season two. It's like, nope, fuck it. We're near the end. We're changing.
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Yeah. But like, and and it's obviously it was planned in advance. It's like, it does set up like I was watching it. I, again, I saw it in advance. I knew that there was a twist coming. I do feel like one of the good things about sugar is like, it's one of those shows where knowing there's a twist coming is probably better than not knowing there's a twist coming. Because if you watch it, not knowing there's a twist coming, you will probably be very pissed that the show doesn't end up being what it initially appears to be. Whereas if you go in and go, somebody tells you, you won't believe what happens. There's a fun of like, Oh, Oh, Oh, I'll figure it out. You know, yeah is yeah. And like I did have like, I had a checklist of like, there are three things. I think like Connor Farrell could be like these three things. And I'm like checking through the list of possibilities, but is he a reverse vampire? No. Is he a werewolf? No. And it's like, you just go through until you land on a hundred percent. Sure. He was aware of the whole show.
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I was so, I went all in. I went all in. I'm like, this dude's absolutely a werewolf. He looks weird. the movie He's got a, he's got a pet dog. He seems to communicate with, um, like where energy yeah. And I will say I act like I liked it thematically, but yeah, I think the pivot at the end, just in terms of plot was too much for me, but it looks, it looks gorgeous. The cast is incredible. And as you said, like Farrell is having the time of his life. This is Farrell doing what he did in the Batman, which is like, I just really want to be a 1940s character actor, you know, and good for him. I think this speaks so highly to our kind of what I refer to often as our glittering age of entertainment where there's all these little sparkles and nothing very tangible. I have never heard of the show before. I have not heard of the show before. You said it right now. holly farrell the like national tv yeah is A major star and apparently is like really good or whatever. I have never heard of this. So there we go. It's pretty sweet.
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but yeah Yes, he has grew with a five-year-old dono. Oh, you sons of bitches. I see what you did there. Anyway, in his can video, I almost didn't recognize the loudest plane is going to my house right now. I almost didn't recognize Darren without his glasses in a suit. Proves the Clark Kent disguise works. Oh, that's right. Is that video up now? It it is a one-up and hour away live. Yeah. Darren made a lovely little cans, a travelogue, little, a little video that is up. As soon as this podcast is done, go watch that. It is lovely. It is great. It has it is two of my favorite Darren buns, Darren beefs of the year, which is, which one of which is crazy because they canceled. Um, which is like, yeah. Um, yeah, yeah but it was really good. Yeah.
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SBS guru with a two-year-old don't know has Darren watch season to a prodigy. I have watched the first half of the season of prodigy. I have not, it's 20 episodes long and they dropped all of them at once because it's now on Netflix, which is insane. You should not be allowed to do that. Like that should be like legally prohibited. It's like your Wiley coyote with your arms open. And then a week before it's due to be released, like power about it is like, Here you go. Twenty episodes. Make your way through it in your own time, please. yeah um I have seen half of it. I quite enjoy it. I mean, again, I'm very fond of Prodigy. um You know, I think it's it's a very good children's Star Trek show. It's the only Star Trek show that is aimed at a new audience, which is very good. Like it's the only Star Trek show that exists that is not aimed at people who already love Star Trek and are already love Star Trek enough that they are going to pay for Paramount Plus in order to watch Star Trek, which is ironic because now it's on Netflix. Um, but very small margin. Yeah. It's a very small margin. I find it really true. It's, you know, I think it is a kid show to a certain extent. It is a bit over long. It goes, it's very self-referential in second season. It's a time travel plot, which is obviously it's fun to do time travel, but it's a time travel plot built around a lot of the mythology of the first season. And I'm a guy who's kind of like,
02:26:02
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The first season was like 18 months ago. I can't remember. I re I now remember the entire plot of dragon heart. I can't remember the first season of Star Trek prodigy. Um,
02:26:16
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Dragonheart just moved up the list. Hold on for a second. There we go. for, for our movie night movie night. Oh, driving. Heart's happening. There you go. Perfect. Perfect. Fungus finally with the $2 don't know is gladiator going to be good or Beetlejuice to good or bad. I think gladiator, I think it's going to be good. Beetlejuice. I think it's going to be bad. Yes, but Beetlejuice is also going to make a shed load of money. It's the thing. I suspect like Beetlejuice has a good chance of being the third highest grossing movie of the year. I know. I'm not happy. I'm not like Jack. That isn't an interest. We talked about how quality and money are two very different things. You're right. You're right. Like it's something people are excited about. It's something I think like you mentioned the big picture, Sean, fantasy is talking about how like at cinema con, everyone's like Beetlejuice too. Yeah. And then like when I was, when I was a can,
02:27:06
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can in France, where like art house cinema, they were like, but we really like the Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. But also this implies that they now have to make a Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, which they've probably already commissioned it. Like course and it'll be it'll be three d they'll bring back 3D, go over the last couple of chats quick because we are running a half an hour. over yeah we are apologize That's not all of us vector with a $2.00. Dragonheart for movie night. Second that. Boom. Dragonheart keeps moon up the list. Snake in the garden with a 2 euro donor. Any thoughts on green border? Very sad, but very good. This movie has not played by me. Snake recommended it. I believe it's a Polish movie, but it has not played. It is not streaming yet, so. I have not heard it. I apologize. I'm sorry. yeah it when when it When it is streaming, I will watch it and I will have several thoughts.
02:27:59
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Great. That sounded ominous, but I didn't mean to be ominous. I like that you're like sitting there. It's like too many thoughts, not enough thoughts. Just a lot of thoughts. I won't have many thoughts. I'll have a couple of them. Just a handful. Just a little sprinkling. Captain President with the $10 Dono. Thank you so much. Hear me out a show about a good sexual predator who hunts bad sexual predator called Sextr. Probably no such thing as a good sexual predator, so we're probably not going to green light that show. But you know what? There's no bad ideas. That one was close to a bad idea, but no bad ideas. I did like one of the scenes I cut from the can video was like at the Marche de Can, there's a movie called control and it has in big letters or grow above the title, Kevin Spacey. So it so he's back, baby. no and Teaching an acting class. And I think that's only me as well. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that for him. Big tar energy. um Right. or Right. The thing that made Dexter work was he sure he was a murderer, but he murdered murderers.
02:28:50
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ah Yeah, we can't do you we there's no way to do that within the realm of sexual predators I'm very sorry unless he only is a sexual predator to sexual predators and then
02:29:07
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And given how we talk about things like prison, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. ah And then see if I freak with a 20 pound. Oh, no. Thank you so much. I binge delicious and dungeon. Delightful, but agree. Seems to be taken one step forward, two steps back. Big shout out goes our big dude, Reacher, Darren. And have you seen a preview of Ministry of Gentlemenly Warfare? the new Guy Ritchie film, I have not actually, and I should have. Oh, because Reacher's in that, right? Reacher and Count. He's got little glasses. He's got little glasses. That's it, he's doing the patista. That's it, he's doing the patista.
02:29:46
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Two, ah you know, apparently good muscly dudes, good boy muscly dudes, are in a movie together where i but they're fighting Nazis, right? Yeah, little glasses. Aw, I love him. He just got a big, young glasses. Thank you, Richard. Love you, Richard. I'm Jule Rau with a two-year-old dono. Everyone is excited for Darren as am I. Mwah. Ooh-woo. I do also like the comment below from Damien Glenn saying that maybe the sexual predator is just a really horny alien from the movie Predator. Maybe that's how you fix the concept. Oh, a sexual predator. This is a little Marvin Gaye. I can get behind that. All right. Now we're talking. Now we're talking.
02:30:28
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and out dog ah Excellent. that was our first episode of the rewind. I'm very proud of all of us. You can tell it's been a while since we've, you know, done a podcast together. Cause we just went half over a half hour over time without breaking a sweat. like yeah yeah and i forgot i looked objective we need I need to leave Sue. ima Oh my God. How long has it been? no my like My blood sugar is spiking so much. My hands are shaking off camera. So it was just like, guys, we need to stop. I need to eat lunch. All right. And also we hit very few of the actual bullet points. We skipped a lot of them. Yeah, we were going to be news. week We can't do news. We have time for news. This was delightful. know yeah This was incredible. so much ah Darren, where can folks find you? What should folks check out? Obviously, you as we mentioned, your backdrop went up this morning.
02:31:17
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Yes, I did. We did a little bonus episode. So um Jesse and Omar have been doing like wonderful work editing the video series. That's given me time to do this bonus one. So like last week we did an episode covering house, the dragon Jesse had did that next week. We'll do an episode covering the boys. Omar I'll be ending that, but today I got to drop my episode looking at my trip to Cannes. So I take a look at like, what is the Cannes Film Festival? What is it for? Who is it for? Like what movies show at it? And also just like my travelogue, what is it like to actually be there? An experiential kind of like, what does it feel like to be a Cannes? I'm very proud of it. I think it's a nice video. I hope it conveys some sense of what it was like. It was excellent. I love to watch it this morning.
02:31:56
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But yeah, so so please please check that out. And obviously, if you're on the the Patreon, I do articles on Friday, Sunday and Monday. So that's for the the five dollar tier or above. And everyone somehow, we make one free. So we your most recent house, the Dragon House, the Dragon piece. My heart take very nice. Your heart take the take. But yeah, that's excellent. And Jack, what about you? Uh, w Marty and I will be back streaming one day later this week. We'll pick up a little Elden ring. I have been playing Elden ring off stream. Uh, I didn't defeat any bosses, but I've definitely just been wandering around and finding shit, which has been wonderful. And then of course, uh, Saturday, a new remaster of adventure is nigh. Uh, the pipeline is coming together. All the merchandise stuff is coming together. All the wonderful stuff that we've been talking about. It's all coming together as we also edit season four. So, oh, so many exciting things. Adventure is nigh wide.
02:32:53
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Hell yeah. But one day later, you mean we're doing it Thursday at noon. Is that what we agreed on? Sure. Sure. I forgot what we agreed on. Whatever we agreed on. mc catholic Also, I found a perfect place for me to put my finger. I went to finger wag at you and it was directly over my fan. Oh, I see. I got like an old fan finger. that's for me e Check out my novel cool fan finger published by Random House this fall. No, check out all of all the normal great stuff we do. Later tonight, Will and Frost will be back at their normal 7 p.m. slot and they will be streaming a way out on Better We're Friends. And then we'll have our normal streams tomorrow, ah fully rammamatic tomorrow. Yahtzee tries all the good stuff.
02:33:34
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ah So yeah, thank you all so much for tuning in. And as ah as a reminder, this is an every other week podcast. We won't be here next week. We'll be back the following week and we'll we'll see you how, you know, if if folks are digging it, if if we find a nice cadence, we have a nice bench. Maybe someday we make this every week, but for now, every other week. um yeah But for Darren and Jack and Eric, thank you all so much ah for watching The Rewind, episode number one. Amazing to have you all here. So happy to be back. And we'll see you all next time. Bye, everyone. Bye, everyone.