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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and a Pop Culture Grab Bag | The Rewind Podcast
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This week on The Rewind, Darren, Jack, and Marty discuss Beetlejuiece Beetlejuice, the Emmy winners, and more.
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Introduction and Hosts
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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Rewind, episode number five for Tuesday, September 17th, 2024. My name is Marty Sleva. I am honored to be joined by Darren Mooney, Jack Packard, producer, Eric. And welcome welcome back. It's been like a month.
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Turns out when you do a show every two weeks and you skip one of them, it's four weeks in between shows. So that's right. Yeah. Last time I was on an airplane back from packs. So could not join you. And then, the you know, uh, was that a screening? I probably had dieary for being honest.
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there's a good There's a good chance I had the big D, but we're back. We're not on airplanes. Darren's not at a screening and my balls are fresh. Your D is normal size. My D is just- Regular and reliable. very Very middle of the road ah D. so We got a wonderful show for y'all today.
Beetlejuice Sequel Discussion
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we're gonna In our main topic, we'll be talking about Beetlejuice.
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Uh, big, the, the, the latest biggest release. Uh, we all got a chance to see it. And and but I will say, I think overall we were probably pleasantly surprised, especially given the fact that it, uh, is, is, you know, digging up an old franchise, which is something that we kind of roll our eyes at. And we've done several times this year already. Uh, but yeah, we'll have our thoughts on that thoughts on other stuff we've been watching, including we all got to watch this, uh, new Netflix movie rebel Ridge, which is really great and highly recommended. And then a couple of news bits. Including I just really quickly want to touch on Emmy winners and this is this really great expose from IGN on Pixar just kind of being a mess Despite the fact that they released the biggest animated movie of all time this summer turns out you could still be an absolute mess when you do that um And I promise you Jack we'll talk about
Minecraft Movie and Hollywood Trends
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the minecraft trailer. So I know you got minecraft fever. I really don't want to tell I
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i have
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yeah have up but That's the first topic. First topic, Minecraft trailer, not even on the dock. What are your thoughts on the Minecraft movie? yeah I mean, li look of his spoiler alert, it looks very, very bad. It it looks shockingly bad. it It looks so bad that ah yeah this seems to be a joke, but it is not. um i don't No, I have no strong feelings on it other than, oh, I am the parent of ah two now teenagers so who grew up with Minecraft still play a butt ton of Minecraft. They spend a lot of time in Minecraft. They also really like Jack Black. And so I watched the trailer with them and could see them grow up in front of my eyes as they said, Oh,
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And you know, like, yeah, these are, these are children who who, these are kids, you know, teenagers. These are teenagers who have nothing but love and reverence for Minecraft and to see the joy go from their eyes and say, yeah, that's life, dickheads. Let's go you did get a job.
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This is the next 50 years for you. Yeah. Darren, are you, so this is, uh, this is directed by Jared Hess who, uh, didn't pulling dynamite and Nacho libre. Um, and, uh, uh, Drew McWeenie, uh, former, uh, uh, um, he's an entertainment journalist and writer. and yeah Yeah, yeah. houston He was a big feature in a cool news back in the day. yeah But he said that when he last read a draft of the script, it had 40, four zero credited writers, 40 writers on the script, which um that's usually like ah ah all of our favorite movies of all time have close to 50 writers on them. Definitely not like singular, authorial voices. visions. What you really want is you want somebody whose job it is to polish both the Steve dialogue or are the like square lambs doing enough on the page? Question mark. um Yeah. so can li so Can we talk real quick that Marty completely bulldozed over a gentleman Broncos? Because like, whoa, go through all of Jared has one at a time. Yeah. Well, there's plenty of time for that. What do you think we're going to be talking about when Minecraft comes out? Yeah. like
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sorry I'm sorry, Darren, go ahead. No, I don't really have a date on this. This is one of those things that feels inevitable in that, like, I know, quote, the kids like Minecraft. And I know it is a big deal and I know it's huge culturally. And I know we're living in a video game movie boom. And I know that Hollywood is currently at the stage where it's like, are these the new comic book movies? So we're going to get a lot of like Electra's and Catwoman's in the next couple of years.
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Um, and this, this feels like it could be in that kind of strike zone. It's very obviously like the super Mario brothers movie was a video game movie starring Jack Black and it made a billion dollars. So we have the same formula at play here. The kids love Jason Momoa, right? Um, we they don't want less Moa. They want Mo Moa. They need Mo Mo. I will say that a significant portion of the Irish radio establishment is very excited for this precisely because it stars Jason Momoa. But outside of that, I really do not have a take on this aside from just going in. Wait, does Ireland feel about Jason Momoa like Germany felt about David Hasselhoff? We're like, Germans love David Hasselhoff. We don't know why, they just do.
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The Irish radio establishment specifically, like press, print journalism, they seem very cold on him. But whenever I mention him in and like a pitch meeting at radio stations, they're like, yeah, it's Momoa this week. um We are all in on Jason Momoa. I have no sense of like what this is outside of being very similar to something like Jumanji. And the thing about Jumanji is Jumanji is a movie that is taking the archetype of a video of a video game movie without an actual IP to base it on and just making that movie. So it's weird to take an IP and just make the generic video game movie that you would make with any video game. But I don't I don't get it. I am not cool and hip enough.
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No, and you know, the thing I was talking about with my children was like, if they were to make a Minecraft movie based off of the actual mechanics of the games, it would be a horror movie. It would be, you know, it would be struggling to survive while literal zombies rip apart your home because that's the gameplay of Minecraft, which by the way, would be fucking awesome.
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to and but but And so no, this is just slap an IP on a generic idea. Let's not devote any more time to this. Cause I, uh, I was, I guess I was very joking that we're going to talk about the Minecraft movie. Cause there's not a lot to talk about. Much like Beetlejuice, you said Minecraft movie one too many times and summoned it into the show. So that and so that was not you. Uh, before we move on really quick to some of the Emmy winners, uh, Thank you so much to folks, everyone watching live on YouTube, anyone who's who's who's listening or watching the VOD, we appreciate y'all, our patrons, our YouTube members, and folks like ah Loco Luco, thank you so much, an ad-free podcast, and King and Commoner with a $5 dono, appreciate you. Minecraft trailer gives me the exact same vibes as the fake crocodile Crocodile Dundee reboot trailer. It did feel a little bit like a like an AI trailer. A little bit. Just a little bit.
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But like, you know what that's selling like, you know, that that fake crocodile Dundee trailer is selling Australia as a nation. Yeah. What is the Minecraft truly selling? What is the trailer? Is it like, Oh kids, you really want to be all in on Jack Black.
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as steve who i understand steve is an important character in the minecraft mythos just doesn't look or sound anything like jack black am i correct in that assumption same colored shirt i believe i mean he's just blue he' just man i've never i've literally never played minecraft so i don't like it is probably one of my biggest it's just not what like it is the opposite of what i want from gives when they're like oh there's no structure go do whatever you want and i'm like i need a little structure Someone tell me what to do. I have academically played Minecraft. So vicariously, I have have enjoyed. I've not enjoyed my time in Minecraft, but I have played it just to understand what the game is. So I've played it academically. that's And it makes sense. it's It's a big deal to your kids. It's good to know a little bit about it. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Now I know people who love it and find it very relaxing and therapy and people my age as well who enjoy it and play it and like recreation, enjoy the biggest video games.
Impact of TV Viewing Changes on Emmy Awards
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ever yeah um so yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. I touch on the Emmy's really quick. So the the Emmy awards were ah Sunday night. That's the television awards. um It is funny for how strange they are when they air now and they're celebrating shows like the bear. All of the bears nominations were for season two. So it's just very strange of like, Oh yeah. Okay. I didn't like season three as much, but I really loved season two. So I guess I want the bear to win.
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Just strange timing that I don't quite understand. Darren, do you have any thoughts on on the Emmys? Do you follow the Emmys? Is like the Emmys even on your on your radar? It is a little bit. I mean, again, this is the thing where I know that it's the joke award after the Grammys. Like if the joke is like a little bit higher brow than the Grammys, but not quite at the Oscars, you make the punchline, the Emmys. I mean, the the question you asked there is like, why are the Emmys messed up? The answer is very simple. We no longer live in like a standard schedule TV here that runs from September through to May. Like if you are awarding the Emmys in September,
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it makes sense to like award the bear season two because that aired between like last September and this May or whatever. The problem is that because we no longer have 20 odd episode seasons that run from Halloween straight through to was it labor day or whatever it is in the States.
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Um, yeah we no longer have that sense of structure. There is a solid argument you made about moving the Emmys into like the awards corridor with the Oscars and just kind of like turning that into, instead of it just being film awards in the first three months of the year, just making it all awards and have the Emmys run from January through December to reflect the new reality in which we live. I do also feel like that would be acknowledging that TV is basically dead. Um, yeah like that the classic form of TV production and distribution and release is effectively over. So I understand why the industry is like,
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You know what? This year I feel like you know September through May 22 episode seasons are coming back. I got a good feeling about it. Yeah. i Will there be a point in which they admit it's dead? Like it is dead. Everyone knows it's dead. Will they ever admit it is the question. I mean, it's I don't think, I think dead might be the wrong word. Yeah. Yeah. I think the focus old way is dead is for the shows we care about. yeah Like there's a Joshua Jackson show that's about to date. you Joshua Jackson from ah Dawson's Creek and whatnot, where he plays a doctor on a cruise ship. So just a regular ass doctor show where he's saving people and horned up with other people. But it's all on a cruise ship. And so every episode was like, oh, someone drown in the pool or, oh, so someone locked themselves in their room. I don't know what sort of scenarios. But I'm like, that is going to get more people are going to watch that than are going to watch House of the Dragon season four.
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and the biggest shot andorra season two What are the biggest shows on streaming last year? They're recycled like criminal minds and NCIS, which still air in that corridor. Like they're the shows that my parents watch. And and that is the thing where like linear networks and advertising for linear networks is still a relatively strong earner for them.
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but like the understanding of all the major corporations is that the people who watch these shows and the people who we advertise to on these shows are all going to die in the next decade or two and then we're in a real problem like not to get too callous about not to be too cynical.
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But it's like the one of the most steady and reliable like businesses is like you know is is network television. it's like But there's an understanding underpinning it that it's not viable in the long term. Advertising revenue is already in decline because your audience is no longer those hot young people with disposable income.
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people to whom you are selling catheters and like life insurance and funeral planning. I will say that like watching TV with my gran is the most depressing experience because just it's British celebrity after British celebrity coming on and going, now you really don't want your relatives to be disappointed when you die, do you? And I'm like, wow.
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Grant is not allowed to have the phone in the room while the TV is on. yeah thea i got my obviously i want a very like I usually do not see commercials for things because I just watch i watch show streaming and I have YouTube Premium so I just don't see commercials.
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football's back, American football, which I watch and that's on Fox and CBS and ABC and stuff. So I see commercials there. And then last year when I was just watching a bunch of X-Files reruns on the Weird Channel, it was like forty seven point five. That was airing three episodes of the X-Files every night. The only commercials that would air during that were the the sad Sarah McLaughlin. Our dogs are dying commercial. Like you need to adopt these dogs because they're all dying. Frank's Red Hot. Is she holding a gun?
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While she says that. it what Are you going to get this done? Every minute a puppy dies on this commercial 30 seconds long. This is a three minute commercial. What are we going to do? French Red Hot Sauce. And the last one was for these boner pills called Blue Chew. And I'm like, whoo.
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What do they think is watching? Who's like, man, I want to save the dogs. I want to Frank frank up my hot dogs. yeah Frank up with a little sauce. Also, I'm having boner problems. And it might be because of the sad dog commercials and all I consume is Frank spread out. You put the red hot sauce on the blue pill. Does that help it go down easier? like just mix it in with your hot dog, put a little little shot in some hot sauce. Yeah. It's like, well, yeah. When you feed a, when you feed a dog a pill using a like cheese, a little bit of butter, ah but the Emmys, uh, how
HBO's Shift to IP-focused Content
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go out did we get here? the em yeah So the big winners, they separate their categories based on comedy, on drama, and then on a limited series, which was strange this year because I think originally Shogun was going to be a limited series, but then they announced because it covered the book and there was an ending. The season was like the ending of the show and then it did really well and they said, oh, we're doing seasons two and three now because ah they probably wrote us a very big check.
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Didn't they cheat by like waiting deliberately until after the Emmy's like window had closed for nominations before announcing they weren't the limited series, which I have to say is a, like a really great move from them. It's like, listen we think we can win a limited series. I'm um um proud of anyone who finds a way to game the system. Uh, but yeah, so the big winners, uh, in the, uh, the, the, the mini series category was baby reindeer, which was like the biggest show of last year that I just didn't get. I watched it and I just didn't, it was on Netflix and I'm just like, I don't,
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Wasn't a good time. Did not enjoy myself whatsoever. Like, and I, you don't know, its but that's right as a comedy on Netflix and it's from a comedian. hit but yeah had to be a comedyy yeah So that was a big winner in that category. A Shogun, which I think deservedly won one in its category. Best, best.
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director, best actor, best actress. Really, really great, again, to see much like Parasite a few years ago, to see something that, um you know, like Bong Joon-ho said, the the fact that the one-inch subtitles weren't a barrier for people to be able to watch it. And then in comedy, The Bear won some things, but Hacks was the big winner, which Hacks, I think, is a delightful show. If you ever watch Hacks, you won. i mean I have not heard of half of these shows that you have mentioned. I'll be honest with you. Baby Reindeer is is news to me. Hacks is ah is news to me. no i Apparently, I don't know anything.
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Hacks is ah it's an HBO Max show about a ah ah comedian who was like jo river yeah yeah yeah who's like really big in like the 70s and 80s. And then it's kind of fallen off the map and hires a young comedian to start like writing some punch up stuff for like a comeback tour. Yeah. And it's sort of like the, you know, it's a comedy drama, but it's about like the friction between the two of them and everything. And it's, it's, it's really good. So, and also like the bear won so much over the past couple of years that I'm totally fine with, like spread the wealth a little bit. Like nothing needs to win every other windy on bearable with it. ah so Good to see somebody hacking away at it's a lead.
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ah Listen, you're bringing the Frank's Red Hot right now. That's what you're doing. You're bringing the Frank's Red Hot. They're so gooding off, I think. I just think I want more Jean Smart in anything, anywhere. She was so good in a couple of years ago. Yes. Everyone was good in Watchmen because Watchmen was great.
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And she won an Emmy for like 24. Remember when 24 would went a bit off the rails. Um, but like she somehow still won an Emmy for that. If I'm her cracker, like Greg, it's sad was nominated alongside her as like not Richard Nixon. We swear. Um, but yeah, judge wink with she was on the Legion for three years as well. And she was on a season, the second season of Fargo. Like smart is great. It's like always great to see smart, a very smart choice casting.
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See what you did there. You have sold me on watching, you have sold me on re upping my HBO max subscription, which I have not had for a long time. Cause this sounds like a series I would love know penguins coming. Hey, Mr. P N Gwen. I do like that. He's his name. Cause Oswald cobble pots too weird. And now he's like Oz cob, right?
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Yeah, it's Oswald Cobb. Oswald Cobb. Yeah, Oswald Cobb. Really? Did you know that yeah they were gonna they were going to do the same with Benedict Cumberbatch and call him Ben Com? Hell yeah. Yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch is too weird of a name. Yeah. They were gonna call him Comin' Wren. Penguin Good. I've seen all eight episodes, to be clear. Penguin Good. um Sure. It is, but I think, as Marty, as I described it, Marty, it's like, what if, like, it is to the Sopratos what, like, the Batman is to Seven, and it's like, that is perfectly fine.
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more shows should try to beat the Sopranos. I think it's like it it's really good. It's fairly solid for the first half. And I think it really comes together at the end. I think the ending is one of the more satisfying endings to like an IP interconnected superhero television show I've ever seen because like you watch it and you're like,
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I don't really ever need to see Colin Farrell again after this, and I'm perfectly satisfied. And to be fair, Colin Farrell himself, which is, ah to be clear, love Colin, all about Colin, fantastic guy. But like when he was doing the Batman, first of all, the fat suit was his idea and the makeup was his idea.
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Cause they were initially like, he could be like skinny and have scars in his face. And that will be like our subversive take on the penguin. He's like, no, what if I look like Richard kind? Uh, and they're like, okay, sure. And apparently while they're making the movie, he's having such a good time because this is what Colin Farrell does. He really likes, like woe is me, one of the most beautiful men in the world. Like he really loves getting no lead up. He did it for like a horrible bosses, for example. And he talked about how much he liked being able to like go to Starbucks and the makeup and like, no one would like make eye contact with him. And he's like, this is great.
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The reverse kevin bacon i love the kevin bacon's like i did that once and it was the most disappointing experience of my life it was really sad that nobody pointed at me and offered me a free coffee but like apparently apparently rumor has it that like one of the reasons that this went along is because barrel had such fun in the fat suit and the makeup on the movie we're admitted he's only in like three or four scenes but he was like yeah. Man, I can't wait to do this again. And one of us were like, really? We have a contract here we'd like you to sign. And it's great that the press tour for this entire TV show has been Farrell going, look, I think the suit is great. I am very proud of the work that we did. I don't ever want to get inside that fucking suit again.
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but It's 100% the, I think you should leave Tim Robinson thing with fucking shit on me. I don't want to be around anymore. but i love It's totally among these parties. Like, Oh my God, it was great to do this for like a week and a half. And they're like, Oh, do you you want to do it for like two months? and No, no, I don't.
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right into the batman to. No it is that vacation logic where it's like oh this is going on too long and I'm having a very bad time in Vegas right now. I should not like one i could live in Las Vegas all year round because I'm having such a great time on vacation and then you actually move to Las Vegas and it's a horrible nightmare.
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The opening scene of Batman two, which apparently opens like a week and a half after the penguin ends is just him putting down those MPIC and looking like Colin Farrell. but like well lost it that's fine ah That's the only way into camera saying I lost all the weight. Bye. That's great. Let's go. Okay. Gene Smart and hacks HBO. Go watch it. That's the moral of that story. Great. To to the point, Marty, that like in terms of Emmys, this was HBO's worst year in quite a while, if I remember correctly. Yeah, and FX kind of cleaned up with a lot of things between Shogun and the bear. Yeah. um
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yeah interested you know I guess HBO, like what would have been their big industry seems like that show that like no one real I know watches it, but all the like film and TV people I follow online rave about it. And I also watched it and was like, I just don't, I don't know. I don't need to watch this. Succession was really good. And I tried to watch this. I'm like, this isn't the same, but everyone's like, man, season three is some of the best TV ever. And I'm like, I don't want to have to watch season two. I don't know that I want to see the characters from Succession Fucking. Like, that's the thing, watching industry. It's like, what is Succession Fucked is, like, a large part of the vibe I got from the half-season I watched. It does have the guy who played the cyborg. Shit, what do they call him in Alien? I used the wrong term. Replicant. Replicant, yeah. The artificial person. The artificial person. Artificial person. It's got the artificial person as one of the characters. Yeah, David Johnson, isn't it? David Johnson, yeah.
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Edit has what's his name the guy who was in loss as well one of those guys who's been around forever I can't remember his name. Oh, yeah, the guy who played the ghost and lost Yeah. And could Harrington song track for spend the rest of the episode vaguely referencing actors by other characters they've played. Oh yeah. And a show that none of us watched. Yeah. And a show that none of us have watched to be clear. This is what makes the podcast so special but to to to the Marty's point though, about like the HBO stuff. I do think like maybe there's a broader point to be made about the idea of like where HBO has gone as like, and maybe this is a nice segue to talk about Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, because like, hbo For years HBO dominated the Emmys because it was the home of like adult oriented original programming where it was like producing shows like The Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire, all this sort of stuff like the David Simon, David Chase stuff. If your were name was David, you were minted at HBO. You could do whatever you wanted.
00:23:42
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And now in recent years, and you know, again, a lot of this stuff is good, to be clear. I like the penguin. We mentioned Watchmen, which I loved as well. But a lot of the stuff has kind of pivoted into doing IP plays because obviously, you know, now we're owned by Warner Discovery. And the message is we want to pump out the IP. We want to recognize the brand. One of the biggest shows of this year is the Penguin. After that, they're going to segue into Dune Prophecy. One of the biggest shows earlier this year was True Detective Night Country, which was literally just a show called Night Country. And HBO were like, we got this True Detective IP. Can you graph that in there as well?
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And I think that like you're asking like why and I mean to get the Game of Thrones stuff where you have the weird situation where you have Jior Martin being like, I hate HBO so much print blog. Also egg and dunk. Good. Not guilty. Enter send. Delete. Why? Because they yelled at me. and I don't want to lose all this money. yeah um But like it is it is all IP stuff. like ah Again, it's turned into like a clearinghouse for recognizable brands, which is a nice segue into Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, because apparently, did you did you hear
Beetlejuice Sequel: Nostalgia and Critique
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this, Marty? They offered- About how it was originally going to be ah a straight-to-streaming movie, and they sat with a higher budget, or they slashed the budget. No, a higher budget. Yeah, like, apparently, burton they Burton was like, I want to release it in theaters, and they're like, fine, 50 million dollars cheaper. that's
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Which is insane. Which and might have been the best choice because then someone said if you would have had an extra 50 million, we would have like gotten a scene where where Jenna Ortega was riding the Jupiter worm just sitting and being like, I'm coming, Beetlejuice.
00:25:19
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I'm glad we didn't because the movie somehow just felt delightful. Like, yeah like late eighties through the nineties, Tim Burton in a way that I just didn't, I didn't realize he kind of had that, that pitch still. but this um This is the the rare instance in which Tim Bertrand needs to recharge like Tim Bertrand, the fame director of the Alice in Wonderland movie, the Willy Wonka movie, the Dumbo movie.
00:25:46
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Uh, children, everybody's favorite that everybody definitely remembers. And there's a movie that exists. Tim Bertrand, who, uh, who choked out Tim Burton and replaced him for several years now needs to go recharge for a little bit. So Tim Burton gets to come back and make his movies because yes, this was a delightful Looney Tunes romp of a movie.
00:26:10
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Yeah. Yeah. and The money, that budget felt like it was used in visual goofs, like practical visual goofs between the settings and the costumes and everything. And like just the, like the jokes, the gags, like the, the, the performance is like, um just, I've just enjoyed it top to bottom, which is kind of wild.
00:26:28
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Yeah, like I think he mentioned the enjoyableness. I think that's the key here where this is, obviously it is a legacy equal. It's a returning to a movie that is 36 years old. That is beloved by an entire generation of fans. They've been trying to make a ability to sequel for years and years and years, almost since the first one came out. Like it goes Hawaiian and beat juices and love. I think we're various pitches and like why I think this works for me is I watch it.
00:26:50
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And I know in my head, they're not setting up an eight episode streaming series. They're not setting up a new trilogy of Beetlejuice movies. They're not setting up a spinoff starring Bob from accounts. I don't have to worry about us being introduced to a younger Beetlejuice who can carry the franchise for another 20 to 30 years. This is literally just an excuse for, you know, you mentioned Tim Bertrand, but it it really is just an excuse for Tim Burton to hang around with a bunch of his old friends.
00:27:17
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ah Which obviously include like Michael Keaton, Winona Ryder, Catherine O'Hara, not Jeffrey Jones for reasons we're not going to discuss, but also Danny DeVito's in there for some reason and introduce them to some of his new friends. Like for example, Jenna Ortega, who we met on like Wednesday and who seemed to invigorate.
00:27:33
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um and has that same Winona Ryder energy, and also just introduce them all to his new girlfriend, Monica Belushi. And like, you could tell me that was the entire purpose of the movie, was Burton wanted to hang out with some of his old friends again, and I would believe it, and I think the movie works to the extent that it does. I don't think it's a perfect movie, I don't think it's an amazing movie, I don't think it's as good as the first one, but I think it works as much as it does, and I do think it works. I found myself really charmed by it, grinning at it, laughing at it, because it has that sense of,
00:28:01
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We're just hanging out and having fun here. We are not like yeah prepping the runway for a decade of Beatles. And part of that, but like part of my ah part of my joy for the movie is diminished slightly because of that fact, because like our expectations, we are so we are in such a an abusive relationship that just not setting up future sequels is enough to appease us. You know, like we don't ask for much. yeah We really don't ask for much. it the But their joy was palpable. You could tell like when ah ah ah they're walking down the the and or the dead hallway and you see a guy in a nuclear reactor suit face melt, someone had a really great time making that. Yeah, yeah or even the but like Monica Belushi's ability to soul suck. There's people kind of like according into those little like skin piles and just falling.
00:28:58
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I want to be very careful how I frame this because this could come out very wrong if I don't do it delicately. very excited what i kind extremely excited for this I know I'm waiting for like somebody to snip this out of context and and like end my career, but I do think it is kind of a boss move for Tim Burton to be like, hello world, meet my girlfriend. She literally sucks the soul out of people.
00:29:21
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um and it like You know you kind of it's like that bit in edwood where it's like check out my girlfriend she's got huge breasts so they have characters literally grab. ah The breasts of like lisa marie and you're like tim. Are you okay i get ah i'm happy for you but i'm i'm not sure this is the forum to express the ideas that you are.
00:29:43
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like mean I think that the the braggadocio is a little bit of the confidence that's returning and that gets us the rest of the movie. So great, yes, your girlfriend sucks really great. and i We're very proud of you, Tim. and she's She's all stapled together just like your iconic characters from the Ghost Friday nightmare before Christmas.
00:30:01
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but to the beattle juice music his harry to tragedy as well, which is an inspired choice. Like that sequence is incredible. Like that sequence yeah alone is like just a delight. You could take that out of this movie and just show me it on YouTube. And I would love that sequence. Cause it's again, it's playful and fun. The moment where she has to find the little finger that's been hiding under her dress again, just yeah on in a way that Burton's movies have not been fun since Maybe Sweeney Todd, maybe even big fish, big big fish. I would argue yeah it has not have no movie. No Tim Burton movie has had this amount of playful whimsy since big fish, yeah which to me, I, I try to go into movies as neutral as possible. In fact, I try to go into movies like hoping for the best.
00:30:45
Speaker
I went into watching my screening of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, expecting the worst. I was really expecting another IP shovel, ah you know, digging up corpses or whatever. And it was appropriate enough for the material. yeah Yeah. Right. It was me and two other people on a Monday night in Milwaukee. And I laughed out loud like an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's funny. We talked about this right before we went live, but it's ah it's strange that the the the two examples of these kind of legacy equals, you know, bringing something back that was popular 20, 30, 40 years ago that have worked on me recently are this and Twisters. And they're movies that i I didn't like. I really liked Tim Burton, but Beetlejuice wasn't one of my.
00:31:32
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Burton favorites that I had on repeats as a kid. like I had i had the his two Batman movies, I had Pee Wee, then even later on I watched Mars Attacks and Sleepy Hollow on repeat, Ed Wood, like once I, you know, actually developed a taste in movies. and But it's it's there's something about, and I don't, like, what do you think it is that these two movies seem to work on us where something like A Flash or Deadpool Wolverine ah just left us, like, carved out in Hollow?
00:32:00
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ah Well, some of them were good movies and some of them were not good movies. do you think Is it as clear as that? Is it just like two were made with with love and care and two were made to ah milk?
00:32:14
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milk as much money as possible. it It is the thing of like, what is the purpose of this movie? And the purpose of this movie, I think in the case of something like Twisters or Beetlejuice is it might be fun to do another Twisters movie, or more cynically, we may be able to wring some cash by making a second Twisters movie or a second Beetlejuice movie. Whereas the entire purpose of something like you said, Deadpool and Wolverine, for example, or even Alien Romulus, which I, to be clear, like a lot more than I like Deadpool and Wolverine, but like a bit less than I like Twisters and Beetlejuice.
00:32:42
Speaker
The purpose of those movies isn't let's make another sequel and hope it makes money and be very happy with the amount of bank that it prints. Although obviously they are very happy with the amount of bank that both of those movies are printed. It's also, can we set up an entire universe? Can we use this as an excuse to set a development slate for the next 20 or 30 years? Will this single-handedly save, you know, not just the IP, but the brand and not even just the brand, but like Bob Iger's stewardship of Disney, they feel you know And again, I'm wary that this sounds cynical. I know that there are people who love those. And and honestly, if you love them fantastic, who wins? Me who doesn't enjoy these movies or you who do? You do. But for me, like these feel very much like spreadsheet movies. They feel very much like watching somebody in accounts, copy and paste details from one column to another as the assets move from Fox over to Disney and assert ownership of the property by Disney. Whereas
00:33:33
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I don't feel like Discovery is asserting ownership of Beetlejuice. I don't feel like um you know like Health Universal aren't asserting ownership of Twisters because they let Warner's distribute it internationally, which is one of the reasons why it made no money abroad. But like, these are movies that are like, they're a punt of like, it might be fun to do another one of these.
00:33:54
Speaker
this might get us, you know, a double, this might get us a hundred million dollars in profit, maybe $200 million dollars in profit. And that's it. So have fun guys, you know, it's, it's the difference between making something to make something and making something to be a launching pad for a greater thing. And as much as I, like Darren, really disliked Deadpool versus Wolverine, um because i I was burnt out of that particular franchise or whatever, even though I am a huge fan of all of the things. To me, that was so clear, like there their, how-towing to the shareholders was so clear. And
00:34:34
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it's it's not even It's not even that they were hiding it. They were making jokes about it, which to me is not jokes. ah But here they just wanted to make a fun little movie. I also don't think it's like the best movie ever. I know i think I would say it's a much more concise story than the first Beetlejuice with a significantly weaker ending. I think it it really peters off towards the end.
00:34:56
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Yeah. Far larger cast without like essential. but Like if we're, if we're in the segment where we talk about the issues with people, juice, people juice, which to be clear, like I had a great deal of fun with it. Um, but like, I do think several problems, first of which is too many cast members doing too many different things that don't interrupt whatsoever, or don't overlap or intertwine in ways that they should. Um, second of all, like the Maitland's were the protagonists of the first Beetlejuice movie. And obviously you can't bring back Alec Baldwin right now for, for reasons. Um, and also like Burton has said, how would they age people would throw it? Like people wouldn't believe the internal consistency of a Beetlejuice movie where we had to accept the fact that Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis were 36 years older. but age Yeah, like the angry nerds on the Beetlejuice forums would be so upset. But like the Maitland's, that the Maitland's are very boring protagonists. They're not necessarily as interesting as the Dietz's, but they have a clear arc. They're much easier to relate to and they're much more straightforward. Whereas in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, the Dietz's are, they're eccentric and they're weird and their characters, much like Beetlejuice himself. And so there isn't as clear a through line in terms of plot or character arc, I think as the first one had.
00:36:04
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Um, and I do think that movie just kind of gets lost a little bit as it bounces between them. It's so much fun. I don't really care. But I do think that like the emotional crux of this movie, a slight spoilers for BLG's BLG's for the first 10 minutes of BLG's BLG's the emotional crux of this movie is the death of a character played by a convicted sex offender, which is a very weird tonal line to make your movie walk.
00:36:28
Speaker
where it's like, I'm glad he's not in the movie and I'm glad he's probably not being paid for the movie, but also you continuously remind me that this character is important to these people. And I'm constantly thinking not about him, but about his absence and therefore about him in a movie that I'm trying to have fun with. I don't think it's a huge issue. I think the movie mostly works, but that is in the back of my head. That is upper third draft by a shark, so it's fun.
00:36:52
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Yeah, yeah no like I would I would argue the emotional crux of the movie is is the mother daughter relationship is Winona Ryder and Jenna Ortega is like that to me is the is the the through line, which is ah sewn up far too simply yeah ah near the end before my tastes. But like, you know, obviously the catalyst is that is the Jeffrey Jones character.
00:37:16
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ah But I don't know. Like to me, if you look back at the original Beetlejuice, like we, we do have our main focus of the, of Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis. And then it's like, Oh, but look at this weird goth girl and Beetlejuice and they kind of get in the way. And it makes it the story a little more jumbled, right? yeah Here, very simple. Uh, uh, Jenna Ortega, uh, oh my God, I've forgotten her name. but i just said but no route right Let's forgot it. Forgot the names. god when i Oh man, now I forget. Just forget some mid sentence. Can they repair their relationship? Boom. yeah This is great. This is all I care about. Yeah. And then the yeah and thing is like, I don't want to complain about ah Justin Thoreau and like Willem Dafoe in a movie chewing up scenery because I love them both and I want them doing that.
00:38:02
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Yeah, but it is like almost like you have them and then you have oh Jenna Ortega likes his boy, but he's got a secret. And like it it did feel like American Horror Story season one as well. It was 100% the American Horror Story twist. Yeah, just get Evan Peters in there. oh But yeah, it almost did.
00:38:19
Speaker
that amount of characters made it feel like, which I don't know, at some point, was this going to be a miniseries? Like, was this going to be like a six or eight episode streaming series that I know, I know we talked about how it was originally maybe planned for streaming, but like, it almost felt like that kind of, you know, to draw comparison to Wednesday, which obviously is Burton and Jen Ortega, where that cast felt more like a season of TV cast than the cast in a self contained, you know, 100 minute movie or whatever.
00:38:49
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Absolutely. My gut feeling is that like, this is just multiple drafts of the screenplay being mished and mashed together. Also the Minecraft writers got it. And everybody had a draft of the screenplay. They're like, they took pages randomly. But I do think that is probably it, where I think there was a version of this that was solely Lydia's movie. And then what happened is Jenna Ortega popped on Wednesday and they're like, okay, Jenna Ortega is going to be a big draw for audiences. And we should be clear, like the very big opening weekend that this movie had, apparently 25% of people Turned out for either one owner writer or Jenna or take up because. the bar is great kind important yeah Yeah. Like Jenna Ortega is like Anna to her credit, one of the biggest movie stars in the world. And one of the biggest movie stars in the world who has like built herself or reputation by making like appearing in small supporting roles where you want more of her.
00:39:39
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in the screen franchise, for example, like she is clearly not meant to be a major character, but just through sheer charisma ends up becoming one of the main characters in this trilogy of movies we have, except she's not going to be in the third one because she posted that stuff on social media. But also you have like,
00:39:56
Speaker
Like even an ex where she really pops and she's a small character there and she's kind of overshadowed by Mia goth. Like she's still, you watch the movie and you're like, yeah, that's somebody to pay attention to. And it really does feel like there's a version of this movie where Winona Ryder is the protagonist and her relationship to Jenna Ortega. Jenna Ortega is like the fifth or sixth lead. And that movie makes like Justin Thoreau more central to it because that relationship between him and Lydia is central to Lydia's character arc.
00:40:21
Speaker
But at some point, somebody's like, no, we have Jenna Ortega. The kids love Jenna Ortega. They're going to be so hungry if they show up at Jenna Ortega doesn't have stuff to do. So like, okay, we're also going to add this plot about Lydia's absent husband, who is her father, but we're also going to add this subplot about this boy who lives in this house and is very weird. And it's almost like a Burton boy. And it's like,
00:40:39
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Like even things like say a Burton boy, but even things like say the Willem Dafoe stuff that exists as well, because you have the third like globe that you're adding onto this story where obviously Michael Keaton agrees to be in this movie. Huge fact. hes He basically says two conditions. First condition is as much of this practical as possible, which is the right decision and a good decision. And I'm glad that he made Tim Burton agree to it. and The second condition he has is that Beetlejuice is Interestingly, marginally in the first movie, you don't really see Beetlejuice in full interacting with the cast until about 46 minutes into a 90 minute movie. And then he disappears for another 20 minutes before he coming back for the climax. And I didn't realize that until I rewatched, because I hadn't rewatched in a long time and I rewatched it a few weeks ago and I was like, man, there's not a lot of Beetlejuice in this movie. Where's Beetlejuice? He eats a pizza beetle at one point. And that's like his big introduction. You see him grab a beetle and make some eating noises. But like,
00:41:37
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And to be clear, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice kind of follows that formula where you have that moment where Justin Thoreau summons Beetlejuice literally at the halfway point. So they can have a big scene, which is meant to be evocative of the scene between ah Keaton and Davis and Baldwin when they're in the model and he's being kind of grow creepy and gropey and stuff. And then he goes away and he comes back at the climax to help the characters with a problem that is, you know, that they need supernatural help with, which is again, the plot of the original Beetlejuice. The problem is,
00:42:05
Speaker
you're making a sequel to Beetlejuice and you could tell that at some point some executive or some writer even Burton was like, no, Beetlejuice needs a plot of his own and that's why you add Monica Belushi and that's why you add Willem Dafoe and they are in a completely different movie from you know, creepy boy and, like, piranha-eaten dad. And those two sets of characters are in two different movies than the third set of characters, which are Justin Theroux's, like, therapeutic husband, Lydia, and her mother, Delia. And that's why I think the movie the cast of the movie is so large and expansive. And, like, to be clear,
00:42:45
Speaker
I kind of don't mind because it means Burton always has something to cut to. He always is able to cut away to characters that he likes and actors that he enjoys spending time with. So the movie moves quickly. But I think to to your point, to both your points, the movie doesn't really have a single arc running through it because it feels like three movies stitched together like Monica Belushi after she's been woken up by Danny DeVito.
00:43:07
Speaker
is I agree with and everything you're saying. The movie does absolutely have those structural problems, but it's it's funny that those are the structural problems that I'm able to be like, well, that's fine. I agree with that. yeah and This isn't going to make it one of my favorite movies of the year, but it doesn't ruin the experience where, again, when we talk about Flash, when we talk about Deadpool and Wolverine, there's plenty of movies I'm sure that we disagree on, like two of us like and one of us doesn't or vice versa.
00:43:34
Speaker
Um, but those movies, like those problems felt like they were foundational problems that I just could not get aboard. Whereas these are like, I liked it, but there's this stuff, which, um, I would just, it's like, it's it's like, I like the ingredients and I like the, the bits of the meal put together, but I feel like you could plate it better. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker
Yeah, no. and And at the end of the day, I walked out of the theater smiling like I like, oh, movies don't have to be perfect. No movie, you know, yeah they just need to be fun. And that's all this was, was a bunch of fun, much like Twisters, which is, you know, schlock up to 11. It was just fun. And the the the problem with me is my cold, dead heart says that once that all this is doing is keeping that IP driven ah corporate focus on life support. no no Hey, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice did good. Maybe what we need is more ah young stars in the movie. Let's just keep doing just keep going. Jack, to be clear here, Deadpool and Wolverine made over a billion dollars. like You don't have to feel guilty about enjoying Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. It's not as if like all the series of Hollywood are like, well, look, Deadpool and Wolverine only made a billion dollars. But if Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice gets to 500, that's when we pull the lever.
00:44:53
Speaker
It is. It's another, it's another, you know, stamp on the bed poster of whatever the kids yeah nowadays. It's just another thing of like, no, no matter the IP, as long as we keep trudging it up, it will keep making us money. When the lesson to be learned is just make a good movie. just what make What is left though? This is the thing. like The Goonies is the big one. The Goonies is the one that I'm like i'm waiting for. I think that it was prematurely announced by an executive who had not not like got the green lift from anybody involved. but like like Sean Astin shared like a fake poster yeah for The Goonies. If we've reached Beetlejuice legacy sequel status, like what is left that like studios could Minecraft in order to like extract value? What is left to frack?
00:45:39
Speaker
Oh, there's a, right? No, uh, video, video games are leading into the, like this podcast at this point with a notepad going. know Video game movies are entering their awkward phase, which we saw in comic book movies, every, you know, like they had their awkward phase where they didn't quite figure out how to make them work until someone did.
00:45:59
Speaker
And then, uh, uh, so video games will probably be the next big franchise movies. but My, my thought is we are now getting into the realm of, uh, of either like, uh, very niche fan base stuff. I spent a lot of time last week watching a bunch of direct to video stuff, uh, uh, for, for franchises that people know and are in the ether that are ripe for,
00:46:25
Speaker
actually like right for a big budget remake that could make the franchises better in general. But there is a wealth of weird and interesting ideas that people, you know, like ah in the video game space, we just got a killer clowns from outer space video game, a relatively big budget one. Yeah.
00:46:44
Speaker
There are these franchises out there to continue fracking. I'm not saying they should, but I'm saying they're going to. They're going to reach into any realm, you know, for a long time. Was it a Paramount that had that ah deal with full moon pictures? There's a lot of franchises in the full moon of the featurettes that still sell a bunch of toys. Oh whole boy. Yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
but Yeah. run in here run so so exactly It's also interesting. I mean, you brought up running man, but like it doesn't feel like we have, like there is, you know, Stephen King and John Grisham, like these authors where it's like, Oh, anything they write. Yeah. We'll probably get an adaptation of something. And King is still getting his moves that adapted. So we were getting a new Salem's law on a tiff drop. He wouldn't like this. I am a Stephen King, pretty big fan. And it was a short story where I'm like, what is that?
00:47:38
Speaker
but I don't even know, Mike Flanagan's directing a movie, Tom Hiddleston's starring, and it's like really good. I'm like, what the, what is this? And then we're getting a new pet cemetery. Yeah, we're getting running men, we're getting a longest walk. yeah And so, um ah do we have like authors? Do it exist? Do we have that anymore? I love that it's like, do books exist? No, but like, do do books exist? I mean, here's the thing, it ends with authors. My board is closed, so I don't know if books exist anymore. or there Yeah. Um, but, um, but like it ends with us as one of the surprise hits the year. I think it's currently the 10th highest grossing movie of the year at the American fox office. That is an adaptation of a recent book. Um, I don't think it's a good movie, but I do think it's nice. It's an example. Yeah. You've seen it. Have you?
00:48:22
Speaker
I have. And it very much caters to an audience that is not me, but that audience seems to probably love it. I'm like, great. Yeah, but I'm good good for them. um it's It's one of those very weird movies where it's like, wait, is this movie about what I think it's about? Because this is a very weird tone to take with that angle. um But yeah, like they do exist. And it is, I would argue, like our authors are moving more into the space of you know, kind of internet era writers where like it ends with us has the feeling of a book that was kind of written on Tumblr to a certain extent. And I don't mean that disparagingly. um Things like say the Twilight movies, for example, and things like say Fifty Shades of Grey, which obviously originated, you know, on the internet in the darkest
00:49:01
Speaker
the supporters of the internet. It does feel like that is where culture is heading. And I don't want to sound the moral panic because I know that every moral, it's always been like this when it's like, Oh, now we're adapting Stephen King novels. What are you going to do next? Adapt books that you read at airports. Next, you'll be making Tom Clancy movies. But I do think it is interest. I do think that shift is taking place. I think there is a sense of what people are reading is now but is being adapted into film. I mean, was it Zola, which is the first movie based on a Twitter twitter thread? um Yeah. Yeah. goes to the real carl jack Yeah. Can we Twitter threads that are worth adapting to a full length feature film? A hundred percent. bad zola iss not bad it's but yeah I, you know, and I've, there was a while where they were trying to make horror adaptations of creepy pastas. Like I understand, like we get inspiration from wherever. And I think though it's, uh,
00:49:58
Speaker
we are we are fractured are are we no longer have a guys because of the nature of the internet and so it it will be very very interesting to see where movies get their next you know cash cow from if they will get a cash cow from anywhere.
00:50:15
Speaker
if there is something big enough to hold a zeitgeist anymore. Yeah. It's funny we mentioned, i saw I saw someone in the chat mentioned, Anna mentioned anime or manga. It is interesting that the live action adaptations of anime and manga have like never hit. Like I really like Speed Racer, but it didn't make any money. And then by and large, a lot of them are bad, like the Dragon Ball movie and stuff like that. And I guess we like the live action one piece was pretty good last year. and ah the Avatar the Last Airbender stuff has always been a little rocky, but I'm curious if we're ever going to get like the, not even the last of us, but like how big the Mario movie was. Will we get like an anime adaptation or manga adaptation that is as big as that?
00:50:57
Speaker
I might, again, this is something I've been kind of working on and stewing on. I will maybe make a video about it when I have the time. My hot pitch on this is that like, we're not going to see anime adapted into live action, at least not to the same extent that we'll see video games and not the same set of comic books. What we will see, and for the reason that we won't see the adaptations is because we will see a generation that has grown up watching and consuming anime making movies and adapting the language of anime into cinema. So you're not going to see it.
00:51:26
Speaker
That's exactly right. Even things like, say, Jordan Peele incorporating the Akira slide into NOPE, for example. um You're not going to see an Akira movie, live action movie, because why would you? get It's a perfect object. And I imagine the manga is a perfect object as well. But the film is like arguably the best film version of that story that could exist. But you will see Jordan Peele being like, man, that's a really cool movie. This is a really cool visual. Let's apply it.
00:51:54
Speaker
and you'll Obviously you'll see the influence in animation as well. Look at things like Puss in Boots the Last Wish or the Bad Guys or whatever, even the Spider-Verse movies, where you will see people acknowledging that these movies, and also to be fair, are more accessible than ever before. like This is the thing with the Speak No Evil remake, which I find very interesting and strange. That is a remake of a movie from 2022, only two years ago, that is available on the streaming service shutter, which is the cheapest and one of the best streaming services out there, and which is also adapting a movie that is already mostly in English. There is a sense that like there is a redundancy to the old model of like remaking and adapting things like this because they are easier for audiences to access than ever before.
00:52:39
Speaker
So I do think that that is a factor, but I do think you will see more influence of anime on how movies are made than you will see anime adaptations. I think that's a really good point. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Um, you did it, Taryn. You made a good point. and I figured it out. It took every once in a while. It took us 54 minutes and one of us made a good point. 54 minutes and five episodes, Marty. I had to count my fingers. Five. That's five episodes were like two and a half hours. We were just ramping up. Um,
00:53:09
Speaker
Yeah. Any, any final Beale deuce thoughts before moving on to so a bunch of super chats and then some of the other stuff we've been, we've been watching and digging lately. Oh, um, and I, I really enjoyed, uh, you know, uh, I think something that can happen with, uh, aging filmmakers, Tim Burton being one of them is a, a dulling of the, of the sensibilities. You know, like we saw that, uh, I think a prime example of Spielberg's, you know, changing guns into walkie talkies and ET, you know, like, Now that he's older, he's I don't want to be so violent. ah You know, we can see kind of like people losing a little bit of that vim and vigor. And ah for Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, I was very excited for how gross it was.
00:53:51
Speaker
but I'm going to say significantly more gross than the original Beetlejuice goop everywhere. And I am here for it. Uh, drinking drain cleaner, like that that sort of level in the opening couple of minutes of the movie. yeah No blood, like a blood splattering, uh, with rec loose, uh, goop slime, everything. Yeah. It was great. Uh, it's so enjoyable.
00:54:17
Speaker
and a Mario Bravo reference as well. like the Again, it's just it's fun. It's Burton having fun in a way that I don't think he's had in a while. like you know i think that like I'm excited for seeing the next Burton movie. it This is the thing with Burton, where like you mentioned that incredibly awful run-up movies that he's had in the 21st century. That's entirely fair.
00:54:38
Speaker
He also doesn't owe me anything. He gave me, you know, 12 years of pretty much great movies, like Pee Wee's Big Adventure through Sleepy Hollow. I could watch any of those movies and have a great time with them. no It's rare for a director to do like three movies as good as any of that set, let alone to do as many in quick succession. I can't really begrudge him doing like Planet of the Apes or Alice in Wonderland because, you know, hey, I mean, look, he doesn't owe me anything.
00:55:05
Speaker
and maybe do Big Rush from doing Alice in Wonderland because that movie maybe destroyed part of the entertainment industry, but that's a separate conversation. ah yeah im I am excited to see where he goes after that. It does feel like he got a little bit of his groove back and it does feel like he's talked about how Dumbo, which is a movie I will admittedly say I like more than most without thinking it is necessarily good in inverted commas, but Dumbo did feel like it was Burton working through his like relationship with Disney and franchising and modern movie making where it seemed like for years he was trying to make movies that were big franchise and to prove he was a steady pair of hands because the famous story is coming out of Batman Returns, which was the biggest movie of 1992 that Warner Brothers were like, look, you made the most successful movie of 1992, but, uh,
00:55:52
Speaker
Don't you want to go make something smaller somewhere else so we can get somebody else to direct the next Batman movie? So we don't have to worry about kids having to explain, quote, the French. It was a French flipper trick to their children. We don't need it like a demented baby play. Danny DeVito's weird too horny for our Batman movies. So we're going to bring Joel Schumacher. Definitely not weird. or Yeah, and i am it's he can put nipples wherever he wants, as long as nobody says the line, just the pussy I've been looking for. But like you do get a sense that after that, Burton was kind of like, can I be trusted? Can I be a studio man? Can I be reliable? And that's what a lot of his movies like Plan the Apes and like Alice seem to be proving. It's like, I am a safe pair of hands. And you could just feel him die inside making movies like Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children, which is like, what if Tim Burton made the X-Men movies and they were bat?
00:56:43
Speaker
as opposed to what if other directors made the X-Men movies and they were bad, a completely different set of scenarios. um But like this does feel like Burton's, what if I just do what I want to do? And I'm like, he's doing a Attack of the Fifty Foot Woman from Gillian Flynn. It's, I believe, the next project on his docket. Oh, yeah.
00:57:01
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Yeah. And it's like, this could be the worst movie in the history of cinema. This could be the best movie in the history of cinema. There is very little chance that I will forget about it five minutes after I leave the cinema, no matter what it turns out like. Yeah. And there's a very good chance we're going to learn all about his weird, uh, his, his kinks, lifelong kinks of 50 foot women.
00:57:23
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likelu She is like, I, uh, I've cleared my schedule. Tim, I will be around. yeah I think we're going to wear high heels. We're going to learn about all of our kinks for very large women after that. Ever since Brianna Tarith, I was like, Oh, the big lady. Oh, yeah. Uh, so yeah, be girls nice big girl. Uh, if that is, is that sort of like the, i know are we considering that sort of the last big movie of the summer?
00:57:51
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Question mark. I mean, it is now it's going to be fall in like two days. I guess we we talked about before, like, what is summer? Like, is it Labor Day? Is it August? Is it there? But it feels like we're now entering like a work season. Plus, yeah, plus the weird. That's venom weekend. Venom Joker October slots. Oh, man. But hold on. Now, to be fair, Joker is probably not going to be an Oscar contender, but it was announced as an Oscar contender.
00:58:17
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Like it was the ignoring the reaction of Venice when it staked its claim in the October, it was like, this is an awards player that will also make money. Now it is probably not an awards contender that will make less money, but like it was what it announced. Venom on the other hand is a completely different set of circumstances. It is award season and venom season. Like that is what it is. Venom is just like, I'm going to attach myself to this. I don't need awards. I don't need validation. I'm proud of what I do. I'm just going to be here.
00:58:46
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We got no, no coming. Uh, all of it is appetizers for craving. I just want to say a very I'm ready for craving. It's the weekend before. Is it a Lion King and what's the other one? There's some other animal themed one as well, which is great. Cause it's going to be like revenge of the hunted.
00:59:05
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ah Man, The Lion King, that's going to be one that ah the the I have no opinions whatsoever on the live action, quote unquote, remake The Lion King. But the original Lion King was like my favorite movie as a child. And then being like, hey, have did you ever wonder what what Simba and Scar's relationship were like when they were young? And um I did not know. You know, what if we take the director of Moonlight and have him tell that story? um I'm glad he's getting paid, I guess. yeah yeah you're like
00:59:36
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ah However, it is Mufasa. Young Mufasa is voiced by Aaron Pierre, the lead in Rebel Ridge. yeah all Nice segue. Did we segue into Rebel Ridge?
00:59:49
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um rebel ridge and i was i was leaving that pace yeah I was looking for a Don Johnson in. Oh, because Craven ah is going to be the Madam Web of this year. Dakota Johnson to Don Johnson. Okay. All right. I got there. Beautiful. Beautiful. All right.
01:00:06
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Uh, rebel Ridge, uh, it is a Netflix, uh, a Netflix original movie that, uh, premiered a ah week or two ago, uh, starring, uh, Aaron Pierre, who, uh, was one of the stars of, uh, Barry speaking to Barry Jenkins underground railroad on Amazon a few years ago. Uh, and it was also a mid-size sedan. Yeah. and i shalon's old Yeah. He went to but the beach.
01:00:30
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Yeah. And he played a rapper mid-sized sedan, um which feels like an ironic name when you see how he's framed in this movie, to be fair. Yeah. I did not know that information and I did not want that information. yeah all All that matters is mid-sized van. Yeah.
01:00:46
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I mean, you guys know the story about this, right? Where it was originally meant to be John Boyega and John Boyega went to Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently Boyega, it did not work for whatever reason. To be fair, Sony is basically been like, we like, we're not going to talk about it. It's best for everybody involved. If nobody talks about what happened. Um, but basically he left the hotel in the middle of the night. And the first the crew heard that he was no longer making the movie was when they went to get him from his hotel and he was no longer there. and they were like oh he checked out
01:01:17
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it's oh Yeah. and So like, apparently he had to find like Pierre, incredibly short notice, incredibly quickly, like a last ditch method. And it's like, you watch the movie and it's like,
01:01:32
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cannot imagine what this movie would be like with any other leading actor. Yeah. This does feel like one of those like, Oh, he's like Aaron Pierre in like five or 10 years is going to be crazy famous. Like, yeah. And people can be like, Oh, have you ever seen rebel Ridge? Like that was a big breakup thing. or Have you ever seen midsize? Have you ever listened to midsize today? That's the beach that makes you old. ah Much like Reacher, I had assumed this was written specifically for him because his presence on screen is immaculate. Yeah. Yeah.
Rebel Ridge: Social Commentary and Filmmaking
01:02:05
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Absolutely. This is written and directed by ah Jeremy Solnier, who you might know from movies like Blue Ruin and Green Room, Green Room, one of my favorite thriller horror movies of the past 10 years. And then what was the Jeffrey? Oh, the dark. Was that all the dark? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um
01:02:22
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People be weird. cool People do be weird. Yeah. But this is a a podcast I listen to, to I believe, describe this movie as garbage in the genre of garbage revenge, which is like i lovingly said the big picture said, yeah, this is a garbage revenge movie um that's also like has like pretty poignant social commentary about the ah the the civil asset forfeiture, civil asset forfeiture, which is in a somehow legal, but like It's like immoral and reprehensible ah thing in America to where the police officers can can just take the goods, the money, the items of someone that they've pulled over without any reasonable cause other than you might be doing something with this. This might be used in a crime, so we're going to take this. Well, it might be used in the future. It might be being used right now, or it might have been used. What's your standard of proof? I got a vibes feeling from it. Like it's wrapped up in the legal system so heavily that like it would cost more money to get it back than to just, I guess, cut your losses. Yeah.
01:03:27
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yeah There's again, there's a New Yorker article on it. There's a New York times article on it, both of which are very depressing. Like the thing that goals me is there are like seminars that are given by like experts in civil asset forfeiture who go around to police departments around the country and like teach police officers what to confiscate for maximum value in these civil asset forfeitures. So you don't want to take something that will be out of date soon because the police department that can't really sell it on what you want her like permanent fixtures, like widescreen TVs, stuff that people are going to want. So when you have a police auction afterwards, you can like make lots of money and it won't go down in value between the seizure and the auction. And it is just so depressing. There's a story in this movie about that. Again, this is a very minor spoiler, but it's mentioned like three or four scenes into the movie. The police chief here played by um Don Johnson, um who is it it like Sandy burn, which is just a great name.
01:04:22
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um But basically, Sandy Byrne has apparently like been so eager and so enthusiastic in embracing civil asset forfeiture that he brought he bought his department a nine grand margarita machine. And when he's asked about it, he says, you got to keep the morale up. That is a true story, I believe, based on a Texas um department.
01:04:42
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That is insane. I started calling this movie in my head sleazy Reacher, ah which ah which by the way is yeah going to appear in the next Tim Burton movie, the sleazy Reacher.
01:04:55
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ah
01:05:00
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You're welcome. Uh, but, but like, this is, this is a very standard, you know, we talked actually earlier just about kind of like John Grisham adaptations. This is like a, so it felt like a sleazy nineties thriller and I loved every minute of it. Uh, some really ah good action sequences and some really great, you know, drama, some great performances.
01:05:20
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um The pacing was a little bit weird for me. This is a little over two hours with a very clear break. I want to say it fades to black at one hour as if it were meant to be a two parter. Yeah, I would say the second act is is definitely a little shaggy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it it it runs a little long for me, but ah just a beautiful little movie.
01:05:43
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Yeah, yeah, it's all yeah, without going into too many spoilers because someone of like the reveals and kind of twists and and characters doing a thing you wouldn't expect is one of the I think one of the one of my favorite things about the movie. But yeah, so they they there's Aaron. Aaron Pierre plays someone who is is a victim of the civil asset.
01:06:02
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Uh, yeah, yeah. A victim of this, uh, civil asset forfeiture. Um, ah but it, it turns out, uh, the cops fuck with the wrong guy. Um, and very much like our first blood kind of way, uh, that, uh, uh, and, and here's the moment.
01:06:21
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This has one of my favorite moments. And this is going to be, I would say a small spoiler and I won't say you exactly what it is, but where he brings up this acronym at one point yeah and no one knows what the acronym is. And it's like M C A M P or something. And yeah. like yeah And M C M A P. Yeah. Oh yeah. They have really bad. They have really bad.
01:06:42
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Yeah, so they have really bad ah internet at this place. So they're restarting the router and they're trying to, wi they're trying to Google what this MCAP is. And they finally do. And this is like while he's having the standoff outside with, with Don Johnson. And it is ostensibly the Wikipedia page for closed quarter combat, which is like what fucking solid snake uses and metal gear. And a character says, Oh shit, he's on the Wikipedia page for this.
01:07:08
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which immediately favorite yeah Immediately, but like it's it's it's Ethan Embry is the police officer who's watching like from the window as like Terry is confronting Sandy Burns in the yard. and like It's great because he's like, you got the Wi-Fi working yet? and As soon as she says he's on the Wikipedia page, he unhooks his holster. It's such a great moment. Chief, you're going to want to put some distance between the two of you. ask her ah just thats the already like thick as hell yeah And I guess that's why i've I very much call this 90s sleeves. it ah The schlock level is elevated, you know, like be prepared for that amount of schlock, which I, yeah oh man, this was my morning watch this morning. I had my coffee and I was just, ooh, baby. Yeah, it's really great. Like if you've seen, ah you know, Blue Ruin or or ah Green Room, like really kind of well shot visceral action that a great like all every coherent like it it's incredibly well framed. You have a sense of place, you know, like where they are. Like, again, it has that what a good action scene it has where it's like sets ah establishes where the characters are and you're never confused about who's doing what. Where are they even when things get hectic? um
01:08:22
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and just Yeah, it's one of those, it is shocking to me that this went through a lot of troubles in production with the Boyega stuff because it just feels like one of those, like, oh, man, you guys you guys just knocked it out of the park, with you especially with this guy. He just seems perfect. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:37
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And again, just so perfectly structured as well. Like it does these wonderful stuff, like setting things up and paying them off. Like there's a moment early in the film where the cops explained that like they don't like flashing their lights because that turns on the dashboard cam and you better bet your ass that that becomes a key plot point at several points in the rest of the movie because the movie is so well structured. It's just really good ah communicating information to you that you need to know to follow the plot. It's really great.
01:09:03
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you know it a little bit of Cromwell in it too. Whenever a James Cromwell pops up, I'm like, hell yeah, that's babe's owner. um and that will just shoot pig that won't do pig. He's a vegetarian now, and not just a well shot with the action sequences, the, the cinematography in general, like they do such a great job of like one, you know, showing the, the wide open spaces, uh, uh, our hero spends a lot of time camping and, you know, we get kind of a sense of isolation, but then also later in the movie, when the action is ramping up and the tension is ramping up, everything is very tight quarters. They are lithering through hallways. And it feels like even though they are in a normal hallway, that they are shoulder to shoulder with the walls. Really, really great evocative camera work. Yeah. Yeah. And it's feels it's it takes it does. It was shot in Louisiana. I think it takes place in Louisiana, not Alabama. I think Louisiana.
01:09:53
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But it's just one of those movies that feels like you could feel the humidity. Like it's shot in a town that feels like a ghost town. Like, it its you know, again, it's a very simple thing. But I just like a movie where it's like, oh, you shot this in a place that looks like where this thing is set, whether you built it or whether you went somewhere. Beatles just built the sets. So it was like, oh, there's a tangibility here. This movie went to Louisiana, to this rural area. um So yeah, just ah just just delightful. Yeah. a Little shaggy in the middle. But um I think would recommend it to anyone.
01:10:22
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I do want to shout out. I think it's mindless. Who in the comments said, surprisingly bloodless for a Sonya film. And it absolutely is. It's much less. It feels very much like he made hold the dark, which is one of the bloodiest, most nihilistic movies I have ever seen. I was like, let's reign it back a bit. I think he has said that like he wanted to make a movie that his kids could watch.
01:10:40
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Um, and it's kind of like cool cause this is, as you said, it's very nineties in terms of its structure, its sensibility, its storytelling, its visual language. It is not anywhere near as like graphically grotesquely bleakly nihilistic or violent as blue ruin as green room or as hold the dark. Um, green room is like, oh yeah. I love it. It is a nightmare. yeah Um, and like it was, I want to share it. Like you mentioned Rambo, his elevator pitch for this, which I love is it's Rambo meets Michael Clayton.
01:11:09
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And that's like just that is what this movie is. Yeah. but big do Yeah. That's it. tell you Well, I was I was shocked, too. You know, this is an original screenplay. This is not based on a book. This like this to me is very clear. I told you guys no one writes books anymore. This is exactly what the president was campaigning on. They've closed the borders. Oh, well, I want to be able to sit there.
01:11:36
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music But, you know, this was ah this is theoretically, this was this is the purpose for Netflix to make these kind of very simple original projects that, you know, ah original projects in that it's an original screenplay. It is very much not an original idea. You can very so clearly see the influences. This movie ah praise upon praise upon is ah too harsh word. Yeah, I do apologize. But this is, to me, the gift that Netflix gives us is, do you want just a simple, schlocky action thriller? We got you covered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice to see that it was like, you know, I don't know what being number one on Netflix means, but it was nice to see it was number one on Netflix. yeah So I hope that means people watched it or they were just like, we're going to put in the number one slot and hope more people watch it. I will say.
01:12:28
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Like this is one of this is the film's critics dream of a movie because it's very hard. Like when you're recommending something, even a movie that you love, you typically have to make, like you have to calibrate it for people. Like there are people I know who will not like Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Cause they, you know, they don't like comedies or they don't like graphic, you know, kind of like spitty violence or whatever. They don't like dupe. You know, um or like they, you know, I want to recommend say the Batman, but they don't like comic book movies or whatever. This is a movie that I have just got, I've eaten out on for the past week and a half because whenever anybody's like, Hey, movie guy, what's the good movie right now? No matter who that person is, I can go rebel Ridge on Netflix and it just sorts them. Like my dad is like, yeah, best movie I've seen this year. My sister is like, that was a pretty good movie you recommended. um
01:13:13
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Yeah, no, it it never ah shockingly tame as far like we talked about but in both the violence and like, you know, even, even Reacher had a little sexy time here and there, but it's, it's very mild. It is very tame. Um, but, uh, the action and the thriller nature is all there, which is shocking. Thinking back on it. He, knew I don't think he took his shirt off even. We never even got to see the abs. There's no,
01:13:38
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This is definitely one of those sexist movies. is Yeah. Yeah, there's no moment like in trap where Josh Hartnett's like, look, the audience has been in the cinema for an hour and 40 minutes now. They need a treat and just takes off a shirt for no reason. I really like trap. I'm in my 40s. I still look good. So I need to show this off. Yeah.
01:13:55
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Yeah, like it's incredible because he's just like, okay, movies almost over. What haven't I done yet? Okay. Sure. It's coming off. Also, I do want to say, Darren, the guy, the first guy who asked you for a recommendation reminded me of ah the, like the hot dog guy in Spider-Man who goes, Hey, Spider-Man, do a flip. Hey, Darren, what's the movies? What's the movie? Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah, and just like it's the only profession. I can't imagine if I was a carpenter, I'd be walking down the street and somebody would be like, hey, why don't you carpet something? okay Hey, what's a chair you're like?
01:14:33
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ah ah that is that is That is the good shit. Hey, Shakespeare, why don't you compose a verse about the beauty of human nature?
01:14:44
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now i feel like these are lines on the penguin i feel playing that is is probably to be mayor hey sweet i think it easy yeah And yes, ah Don Johnson does play a racist cop to the point where I recommended to go along with what you said, I recommended this movie movie to my mom. She watched it and enjoyed it. And then we watched the Emmys together and Don Johnson, there was one there was one moment where they brought like three iconic ah TV police cops and Don Johnson was one of them. And she's like, that's the racist. I'm like, well, he's not actually racist. That was a film.
01:15:16
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but might I don't know, you might be racist. I don't think he's racist. I do love the idea of John Johnson turning to the camera going, I'm not a racist, but I play one on TV. in wa but He also played a racist, which is a little worse. Yes. And also in Django on Chain, like he's very much cornered a particular lane. um I can't remember if in cell block 88, if he's racist or if he's just like evil. um But I do love the John Johnson's, like I've honed in on like,
01:15:39
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Because, again, Miami Vice is obviously his big break. I love Miami Vice. No disrespect to Nash Bridges, a show that nobody but me misremembers, where he, I think he co-starred with Cheech Marin for several seasons of Nash Bridges, which I believe is where they- It must have been Sherwin by Carlton Cuse, who would move on afterwards. Lost, which is important because lost is good.
01:15:58
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Yes, I believe that Damon Lindelof may also have worked on it as well. Like it's a fascinating little hodgepodge of references. yeah But like Miami Vice, I honestly love Miami Vice so much, the 80s TV show. And it's so great that like every other cop on television is like a bastion of civic virtue. Like any of the low and order cops, maybe you make an exception for um Christopher Maloney, who like likes playing scuzzy, sweaty guys. But generally speaking, when a cop from a TV show shows up, it's like, oh yeah, this is the guy you can trust. like
01:16:32
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Is it William Peterson laundered his reputation from being the sweatiest man in 1980s cop movies to being my grandmother's like beloved, like little kind of stitch, like throw cushion kind of cover, um, just by appearing on CSI. And I love the Don Johnson's just, yeah, I love the Don Johnson's just like, no, I'm just like, I'm the cop, but I'm the dirt. I'm the sleazy one. I'm the dirty one. I'm the unpleasant one. I'm the one who maybe you don't want to hang out with, but you kind of do.
01:17:01
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ah Oh, he's also i he's also racist and in Knives Out, Snake in the Garden. Don Johnson, what are we doing? And I'm trying to remember, I cannot... There's a wonderful stand-up routine, you know, making sure that it's like, you know, ah white actors who play racists are allies because we do need someone to be evil in these movies, right? um Usually they get their comeuppance. And send all the movies we mentioned, they get their comeuppance. Yeah.
01:17:28
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you you do need to do a press tour afterwards where you don't assert your character is the hero like we would. Kind of worry if john johnson's like yeah i made a movie with that here with a great villain that was really great for me to square up against the guy and i think like look not all movies have happy endings i'm willing to can see that but i thought it was an important issue to raise. um yeah Exactly. No. And I think, I think like we are, we're seeing a bit of a, you know, Don Johnson in these kind of smaller, but still more prestige roles. And I think ah he is doing a phenomenal job. I'm a Johnson head, big Johnson. Oh yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. yeah that vay or do That's the question. Oh, I'm absolutely Don over Dwayne. If we're being honest right now, I get way, but but I get way more excited. If I see Don Johnson rolling into something than I do, if I see the rock rolling into something, honestly, honestly, unless it's WrestleMania.
01:18:19
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I was meant to say pain machine. I'm now imagining as a Benny Sattvie's pain machine starring Don Johnson. johnson yeah You tell me that. You racist fighter. I would, I would watch it. Yes. I would 100% watch it.
01:18:34
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Uh, before we move on to other stuff, we've been watching one to go over some of the, uh, some of the super chats that came in over the past hour. So, uh, starting with quintuple a with a $50, I don't know, a big old pinky. Thank you so much. m up a What an outstanding backdrop. Uh, completely agree. Uh, Darren, you, you, uh, you and Omar put together a pretty, pretty quickly a backdrop this week, honoring the the life and career of James Earl Jones.
01:19:00
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who who passed away last week. um Amazing video, highly recommend um everyone watch that because that that man was truly an icon across so many months. And meant so much more watch it, watch it when you have like a good half hour to recoup after watching it. Uh, uh, watching the previews of this absolutely gutted like two minutes into the, into I wouldn't say it's a lunch watch if you have to go back to work afterwards, but it is good. Like, all right, I've settled in for the evening. Uh, yeah, sit
Tribute to James Earl Jones
01:19:30
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down with this.
01:19:30
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Like, you know, that phrase of, of ah I don't know where this originated from, but, you know, like, Oh, don't have the words should have sent a poet. It's, so you know, we don't have the words. Send me contact. At least that's right. I quote contact. Yeah. Darren, your to articulate is enviable to all of us now.
01:19:51
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Well, no, I mean, it's so much of that is Omar, like so much like again, it's we're just acknowledging I come on the podcast and I talk a lot about movies, but like those videos work in large part. I do edit some of them myself, but a lot of them is done by Jesse and by Omar. And like, I see these when you see these because I just record into a void and I try and make sense.
01:20:09
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And it was like, obviously he passed away last week. It was short notice. We were working on a different idea, which I'm sure we'll use at some point in the future. ah But Nick and myself and Omar basically said, we should do James Earl Jones ah because how can you not? And I came together very quickly and I just, I recorded it and I hoped it was coherent is like what I hope that's like this. I feel like i like set setting the the glimpse behind the curtain. It's like, was that coherent is the question Darren asked when he finishes recording a backdrop.
01:20:38
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But like I send it away and Omar does his magic on it. And first of all, I have no idea how he does it. Second of all, I have no idea how he does it so reliably, consistently, and so quickly. And it it does, it it breaks me. And it it's weird to be, I wrote this and I said this, but to see it paired with these images in this way, using these things where there were things that I had like written in and suggested we should include XYZ. And there are things when you're watching, you'll notice my my narration mentions specific roles that he played. But there are points where Omar
01:21:11
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almost got inside my head where like the morning after I'd recorded, I was like, wait, did I forget to mention this thing that he had done, which was pivotal to me? And I didn't bother Omar about it because Omar is busy enough. The video comes back and that is right in there.
01:21:26
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not where I would have put it, but better than where I would have put it. And I have the same reaction you have, which is like, this is, this is beautiful. So just shout out to Omar and Jess and everybody. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Great team. Yeah. Take it. Take some time tonight. Snuggle up and watch a beautiful piece on a wonderful actor. Yeah. A hundred percent. Uh, Andrew Vivatero. Thank you so much with a $2 donor. Absolutely loved hundreds of beavers. Thanks Jack.
01:21:54
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Yeah. yeah you're You're fighting the good fight. I'm trying to watch hundred the beavers. I am trying to get more people to just watch comedies again. Yeah. Yeah. You're trying to create a nation of eager beavers.
01:22:08
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I see what you did there. Margaret Selmon, thank you so much for a $2 don't know. Just came to say that the new backdrop was great. Completely agree. Absolutely. And then sovereign with a five-year-old don't know. Thank you so much. Hey, guys. Missed ya. Just wanted to thank Darren for today's heartfelt backdrop. RIP James Earl Jones.
01:22:25
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Yeah, they're not so good. <unk>s It's so good. darre You and Omar are so good. ah double a with a fight where it's all for Being an Irish person because I literally just want to sink into my seat. ah oh He's a super chat wasn't that good. yeah mr beast please to movie videoll Watch that instead. ah Quinn Tupperlay, thank you so much for another $5 don't know. Favorite Simpsons quote. Also, Jack, I bought the scrub mommy, so add that to the list of unofficial sponsors who owe you money.
01:22:57
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Scrub Mommy, hit us up. A friend of the podcast, doesn Scrub Mommy. I don't yeah i feel like ah but yeah like I don't know if I could choose one favorite Simpsons quote. right like There's just so many that like just live in my head that are like almost Manchurian candidate. If I hear a trigger phrase or word, that quote comes out. like Dental plan, Lisa needs braces. like Literally, if someone's like, what's this company's dental plan? Lisa needs braces.
01:23:26
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Yeah, it's i like i just anything from seasons three to eight. Literally anything. They have the internet on computers now is one of my personal favorites. um I'd say the pressure has gotten to dad, but what pressure?
01:23:41
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It's just so good. but is just so like go wrong um ah That's first thing that ever went wrong. Yeah. yeah The, uh, something I say a lot, not necessarily related to alcohol, but alcohol is the cause of, and solutions to all of life's problems. loopops you know i also love that about Yeah. I also love, mr simpson where did you go when you left the bar?
01:24:05
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I also love this time of year, I always go back and rewatch a bunch of the Treehouse of Horrors, and I think so many of those those hold up so, so incredibly. Also, those were incredible gifts, because I saw the Shining episode before I ever saw the Shining, and then I saw the Shining, and I was like, oh, I see what they did. They watched the Shining and made a little goof based on it.
01:24:25
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which is 90% of movies I learned about from The Simpsons. I was like, oh, a Citizen Kane, that's an actual movie. oh Oh, that's where The Simpsons got that reference. Yeah. yeah I think somebody i think at's somebody on Twitter pointed out like the insanity of that.
01:24:40
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three house of horror, like shining episode has the moment where like she goes to read the the book. And obviously in the movie, the book is all work and no play makes jacket, dull boy over and over again. yeah And the bit where like she reads it up and it's just feeling fine. And then you get the lightning flash and it's just written all over the wall. yeah Oh, TV and no beer, make Homer go crazy. yeah the person on twitter The person on Twitter was like, first of all, it's a great reference to the shining, but second of all,
01:25:06
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It would just be a great beat in a horror movie, like take away the context of we are referencing a thing. Even if you haven't seen The Shining, this is both scary and hilarious and equal measure, which is an incredible thing for a TV show to do.
Cultural Impact of 'The Simpsons' and TV Shows
01:25:20
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Which is also a great quote of of the, you know, don't mind if I do and make Homer go somewhere so something something yeah and oh crazy. Don't mind if I do. Oh, something I say a lot is um um I'm a sign, not a cop.
01:25:35
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Uh, from at least, you know, like don't ah do not enter or do I'm a sign, not a cow. Uh, too many, so there' far too many. Yeah, it's really good. Uh, be smart for the $5 don't know. Thank you so much. Be smart. As someone who watches criminal minds, I am now depressed and insulted. Also, i say you should probably have a colonoscopy. Yeah.
01:26:00
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I will say, to be fair, there is a clear hierarchy of these shows where it's like regular CSI, and again, my, my grand passed away a decade ago, so I am a decade out of date on this, but like my, um, regular CSI is good. DSI New York is okay. TSI Miami is deranged, but there's a guy who puns on it and I love him so much.
01:26:21
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Um, there's like criminal minds is solidly. Okay. Where you don't want to be as you don't want to land like visiting a relative in the middle of an NCIS marathon, because that will make you question whether or not you want to continue living. Um, yeah if you want, maybe you have to do a law and order do SVU it's dark, but it's well made. Like SVU is the best of them, but it's like criminal minds is a little bit quirky and out there regular law and order. It's just Dick Wolf screaming at you about kids today and houses.
01:26:50
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um Like there is a clear hierarchy and Criminal Minds is not at the bottom of that ranking, I would argue. There you go. i'm i'm ah I'm a sucker for, ah I think the most successful cinematic universe currently running is the Chicago Cinematic Universe. So there's Chicago Med, Chicago Fire and Chicago PD. And so it's three different shows that all take place in the same city and that's Chicago.
01:27:16
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yout so Yeah. Every season or show, they'll have an episode where like, Oh, something crazy happened and there's a fire, but there's an arsonist. And so all three of the groups have to get together to solve it. And it's a big event. Yeah. I think it's great. I miss um it i missed my grandmother. for many reasons to be clear, not just the reason I'm about to give, but one of the reasons I miss my grandmother is because I know that I would be stuck on the couch watching 911 with her, like which is a TV show where at one stage, somebody tries to give chest compressions, but breaks through the chest of the person there. That was great. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I'm like, I think it was Rob Lowe and he's like, oh shit, what did I talk to? Like that would visceral that like the body was like frozen or something. It was like, it was like a ten billionaire venture capitalist who was experiencing cryonics or something like that. Again, like I would love this would be like myself and grand would just sit on the couch and watch this stuff for hours on end. And it would be perfect family time. And I'm like, I don't have that anymore. And there are lots of reasons why I miss my grandmother to be clear, but part of me is like, she would love, love, love Rob Lowe's new TV show.
01:28:22
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I love it. ah That's so good. It's George Lucas with the two Euro, don't know.
Critique of Tim Burton's Films and CGI
01:28:29
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Thank you so much. Tim Burton's Wonka, Wonderland, or Dumbo. Any of them good? Dumbo's the closest to good of those three, I would say.
01:28:38
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yeah i would I would always watch the original ah Charlie the Chalk Factory compared to his Willy Wonka. And I think those Alice in Wonderland movies are are not only deeply bad, but like you said, started something that is is like it wrote in Hollywood, like created a rock at the heart of modern Hollywood. Like it's just grown and festered. Like I mean, they give us the remakes. They give us the like live action inverter commas remakes of like Disney classics, but they also give us like CGI capable. This is the thing.
01:29:10
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about like those movies is like trying the chocolate factory is better than Alice but it is a prototype for Alice because that's the point where Britain's like what if I don't build sets what if I don't have to have props what if we just do it all in the computer where I hear they have the internet now and it looks awful and I do think like I don't want to turn into the person who's like CGI is awful. CGI is great. And you can use CGI to do interesting things. And CGI artistry is like any other form of artistry. It's a beautiful form of animation, right? I'm not complaining about CGI in general. What I associate like Charlie in the chocolate factory with is the point at which they go, we can use CGI to do what we used to do practically, but cheaper. And it looks wrong. And like Charlie in the chocolate factory, when I was like, that was what 2005. So I was what
01:30:00
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18. That was the point at which I was like, I don't know if this is going away that I wanted to go. I am i don't know if I want to be around anymore. Um, we made a huge mistake. All bad. I say all bad. No, no, all bad. No good. All bad. Bye-bye. No good. All bad. Bye-bye. Snipping for more easy.
01:30:24
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ah SBS guru with a five-year-old. Oh, no. Thank you so much. You know, they just called it Beetlejuice Beetlejuice because they want another sequel. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is an incredible name for a sequel. I will say. Yeah. No subtitle. No colon with Beetlejuice origins or whatever. Just rising. Beetlejuice ascension. Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:45
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And I want to say like the ending of the movie does feel like Burton almost parodying the idea of setting up a sequel. Like without getting into specifics about what it is, but that sequence is just like, I was watching it happen and I was like, Oh dear. Beetlejuice three. And they're not. It's just that Tim Burton really liked train spotting apparently. Um, so I was like, I liked it. I'm like,
01:31:09
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Very, very silly. I mean, yeah yes, if they do a third Beetlejuice, it should be called Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, and that's very funny. Uh, and theoretically if they make money until you get to the 25th Beetlejuice check.
01:31:22
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Well, and I guess to me, that's the problem where it's like they the they have to stop. that so At some point, you have to stop ah rehashing, you have to stop remaking, you have to stop sequelizing, or else you end up at a place where you ah you are 17 movies into a series of movies and they get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. I am talking about something very specific.
01:31:49
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Oh, wa pomp ah I'm very excited to hear you talk more about that. Um, and then dr. Theo with a $2 don't know. Thank you so much. Watched this yesterday and I was whelmed. I'm not sure. I think that came in during beatle deuce and not double ridge. Yeah. It's fine to be whelmed.
01:32:11
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yeah I think also I'm going to say that's accurate to and it like it's okay. like This is fine. For most of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, it's fine. To me, like I like the goop, I like the effects, I like the the humor. It's Looney Tunes for a lot of it, which is great as far as I am concerned. so like i was I'm not, I wasn't overwhelmed. What's between whelmed and overwhelmed. It's a weird feeling that I don't feel there. I, I, I felt happy for a few moments. And that's a weird feeling. What's capacity? Like you're well, you're willing to capacity. I don't know. yeah Like, like, you know how, when you fill a cup to the perfect amount and it hasardiscus yeah, yeah
01:32:53
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The surface tension of water is keeping it all together, so it's slightly filled a little too much, but it's not overwhelming. yeah yeah yeah lightly Oh, I was lightly whelmed. i like A light whelming. Pure Pyro with a two-year-old dono. Thank you so much, Pure Pyro. What do you guys think about the Monster Squad?
01:33:14
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I really liked it as a kid. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I liked seeing all my mom or green end. That's right. early shane black It's very ah you know, Wolfman's got Nards. If we're talking about famous quotes to to me, that's one of those movies that is if you rewatch it as an adult.
01:33:35
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It kind of a mess of ah of a story That's one of that's one of those movies that is ripe for a remake because it would be really cool Like yeah, why don't we have a modern monster? Well, I guess they tried tried in the dark universe yeah We tried it with the dark universe to be fair nevermind for the wolf why can't we Why can't we do that but fun? what
01:34:01
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They tried that during the Van Helsing air ah jack um like yeah yeah We were so,
Potential Remakes and Video Game Crossovers
01:34:07
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we don't know what we had. We had that dark universe photo is still one of the funniest things, just imaginable. Yeah, there there are a slew of movies that deserve a remake with modern sensibilities and a fun ah production team behind it. And I personally would put Monster Squad in that realm of like, yeah, let's just do this, but amp it up. We have a, you know, give them a little bit more of a budget and have some fun with it.
01:34:33
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Yeah, I would argue you you should like do that, but we're like not with the monster squad IP. Just be like, okay, a 24 is doing like the Babadook and the Witcher hanging out. Like, like I would kind of like, look yeah
01:34:49
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We need more movies about the baba nook and the witcher. Just just yeah the but chillin. Yeah. Like the smile monsters there, for example, or whatever, you know, it's like, yeah. Yeah. yeah Oh, Terrifier. Art the clown. It's like art the clown. It's like the Babadook. It's like the witch from the witch. It's maybe the lady from Starbarian. Like it's like, just have them hang out.
01:35:11
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um Do you know what sounds like a lie but isn't? They just added art the clown to call of duty multiplayer so you can buy an art the clown skin for call of duty? I guess that's one way to study the art of war. Oh, no he threw up. Oh, I can't get any better than that. i yeah how ah Sorry, I can't help clowning.
01:35:40
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Yeah. Well, they were going to, they were going to add ah it as like a McDonald's happy meal, the Tara fryer. Well, I like it. Can I finish this by myself? when i I haven't seen those two move face. Oh, they're very, they're very gory. I think they're very good.
01:35:57
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I think the gore is impressive, but I think the movies are kind of boring. And the second one is like over two hours long. And you should go to jail if you make a horror movie that's over two hours long. You should. Well, I mean, maybe gets Maybe Hubert gets a pass. There's no dead jail. It's literally one of my favorite movies of all time.
01:36:17
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Have you not seen Beetlejuice? I imagine there is a dead jail to be fair. There's dead jail. Yeah. I think Willem Dafoe is there. Uh, Georgia Lucas with a two Euro don't know. Are the fantastic beast movies dead? They only did three of five. Yeah, I'm assuming so. Cause now they're just doing Harry Potter and the TV show. harry potter God save the three kids they're going to hire for that. Cause my God. Eh.
Challenges of New Harry Potter Series
01:36:43
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I mean, because they just released like the open casting call for the three leads and I think they're going to, ah in the age of the internet being what it is, they're just going to lead terrible lives. I think like it it will be awful to be those children. so um yeah the The three kids from the other Harry Potter movies all turned out to be like pretty cool actors. and like in in the realm of child stars, like well put together seemingly. um But yeah. How much can we say without ah tripping up potential lawyers? But I will say that I imagine that the author of the Harry Potter series will have some very um probing questions that like part of the audition process for, are you going to be the new Harry Potter with involved being locked in a room with JK Rowling and maybe having to express your opinions about certain issues that she feels strongly about that I do not envy any, any person that alone, a child having to do. It's yeah, it's, it's like the rumor. And again, I don't know about reporting rumors. It's been spreading around Twitter. I know I maybe heard it from people I know who work in the industry.
01:37:50
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The casting for this has been a little tougher than Warner's expected it to be in large part because a lot of even the people they're looking for for teachers, for example, are not necessarily sure if they want to have a brand associated with this because you're casting a teacher associated with every year like you're signing on to a eight, nine year project. You know, of this is like if you're going to do a season, a book for seven books.
01:38:14
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Yeah. Yeah. Signing on to a lot. Yeah. I can't imagine they'll get sort of the caliber that they had. Especially those movies where every, every movie it was like, Oh my God, it's Brendan Gleason and Kenneth Brown and, and like, you know, uh, Michael Gambon and then Kerry Oldman.
01:38:28
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know This went down to the West end and opened up a van and said there was a Tony inside. like Exactly. ah yeah so and you know for For those of us who you know disagree with Rowling's ideology, you know you there is a part of you that kind of hopes that this is ah very difficult for the parent company and that makes the parent company you know think about their future relationship yeahp because consequences can be fun sometime. But again, the flip side of that is it is going to make all the money in the world because again, the Hogwarts legacy game made a billion dollars or whatever. oh isn' and also it's no This is in the prime spot for nostalgia. Like this is in the prime spot yeah for like we could, like if Rowling had maybe not alienated the young cast, the extent that she has, I love how delicately we were all dancing around this, but if she had yeah
01:39:23
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not alienated the young cast, the extent that you had, you would imagine that Warner, Warner brothers would be spending billions on a or million millions of punkers, child adaptation, that they'd be like, let's take your play and bring back Radcliffe and bring back Watson and bring back Grint and have them play older versions of themselves and imagine the license to print money that that would give us. But instead we have to do this. And I, this is going to be more difficult and more costly for them. But I hate to say it. I think it will also ultimately be very profitable for them.
01:39:53
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hundred percent I mean, it's, the you know, ah for a long time, I was ah putting Minecraft as like kind of the largest and new IP, but it is very clearly Harry Potter. yeah And we get new ones of both of them. but Even Harry Potter, that dates back to what the late nineties,
Don Johnson's Influence in Pop Culture
01:40:11
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right? That the first book published in what? Ninety eight, maybe. yeah Ninety seven. and Ninety seven, I think. it in layer was own Yeah.
01:40:19
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yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So great. 30 years ago. Yeah. That's they just don't write books anymore. but Uh, which is funny because literally two super chats from now, I was asking for book recommendations and steak. I'm sorry to tell you, they don't write books. and a fact dollar fifty don No comment. Thank you so much. Fat cock. Sir George Lucas with another two euros. What's Don Johnson's best role? A boy and his dog. Greatest ending. Wait, was he in a boy and his dog? Yeah, he wasn't the dog to be clear, but he was the boy. Yeah.
01:40:53
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Get the fuck out of here. Really? I was whelmed by that movie. Were you really? I was whelmed. It'd have been crazy if you also played the dog. Like, what was that? Elijah Woodshow where there was the man who's in Wilfred? Wilfred, yeah. our well bridge yeah nine ah That's good stuff yeah i mean i think ah Don Johnson ah in Miami Vice is ah His most iconic. Yeah, it's so beautiful. It's yeah perfect. Like not only is it iconic it was like Iconic beyond television it was it turned into fashion if you want to parody that era you wear what John Don Johnson wore They invented like razors that would give you Don Johnson stubble and
01:41:39
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Like that is how pervasive he was, that you could buy a razor that instead of like just letting your hair grow for two days, it would just automatically give you Don Johnson's five o'clock shadow from that TV show. Um, like I want to shout out like Evan from the first season is incredible. That's an incredible performance. I want to shout out also, is it back in the world or where the bosses don't run? Uh, both of those episodes, uh, are phenomenal because they're both Vietnam episodes. I think they start Bob Balban and Bruce McGill. I w if you want to check out Miami, if I see those episodes, yeah.
01:42:07
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ah them Uh, and then, uh, stick in the garden with that, uh, to your, so I mentioned, thank you so much snake. Any good book rackos. I'm currently reading the new Richard Osman. Ooh, the murder mystery, right? That's the one that's there. I don't know if that's the new one, but his old one's been adapted as a murder mystery. Is it this Sunday murder club Thursday? Oh, that's the one. a murder club Oh yeah. Yeah. the one the older That's all the, like calendar characters are it's like a. mirror Yeah. Like a murder in an old, in an old folks home. Is that it? Like a retir home or something? Yeah, which seems great. Uh, I read, despite the fact that, uh, I, uh, on in record for saying books, books don't exist and books are for nerds. Uh, my, my big, uh, recent recos, uh, are there's a book a few that came out like a year or two ago called tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow that is, uh, great for folks who are into the video game industry. Cause it's a, uh, it's a fiction book about sort of these two star Croft
01:43:04
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star cross lovers, uh, and, and their relationship throughout a few decades. Uh, but they are developers in the video game industry. And so, uh, it's just a pretty, pretty incredible, uh, just a great story. And also like when you read it, you're like, Oh, this person clearly knows about the video game industry. And it's not one of those like grandma's boy representations of how things, uh, how things work. Uh, and then, uh, I'm, I'm speaking of Stephen King. I'm currently reading a book of his from a few years ago called a revival and I'm only like 50 pages and what am i enjoying it.
01:43:34
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so it's going about it like church isn it's religion isn't it It's like a preacher yeah preacher comes to town and is sort of like ah indoctrinating ah the the the community with the sort of ideas of the strange. It seems like he's almost like a frank and Dr. Frankenstein sort of character who's like obsessed with like electricity and and technology and and sort of its relationship with religion. so um Pretty good. knee yeah i I am very slow. I'm just going to do a very simple plug because the book I'm currently listening to is Yahtzee's book, We'll Leave the Galaxy for Good. So i I don't want that to be like a cross promotional plug. I was listening to his books before I worked with him, but that's what I'm listening to. Is it weird to listen to a friend for that long? Just talk, literally listen to his voice? Not Yahtzee.
01:44:22
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<unk>d be Because his voice is so yeah is is yeah, and he does voices. He does character voices. Yeah. so it's very fun yeah um In terms of recommendations for myself, a very boring person, mostly read nonfiction.
Recommended Reads on Film History
01:44:35
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So ah there's a masterpiece in disarray, which you can see the corner here. That's the oral history of David Lynch's Dune, which I quite enjoyed recently.
01:44:42
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and There's Michael Schumann's Oscar Wars, which is a history of like for each decade, he picks a year of the Oscars and explores how that reflects on like the film industry, on American culture. That's just really great. At the moment I'm reading through Last Action Heroes, which is an account of like the battle of the eighties icons between like Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Norris, Segal, just a wonderful snapshot of a crazy era ah in American history.
01:45:08
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And recently also really quite like live from New York, which is, it's an old book. It's the oral history of SNL, which is, I believe celebrating its 50th anniversary this year, which is wild. Cause I've never watched an episode of SNL because I'm
Behind-the-Scenes at Saturday Night Live
01:45:19
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Irish. Why would I watch an episode of SNL? But it is the 50th anniversary. It's a cultural phenomenon. I'm very curious about and want to understand it. And the oral history. next attached an episode of snl No, um I just, I know it through osmosis because obviously now it's viral. It's online. You have like the lonely Island and stuff like that. You have, yeah yeah is it please don't destroy as well. They're the new crowd. Like new ones. now they They are online, pleasant and presence. And obviously as a kid, like living in Ireland, every once in a while you get like a strange artifact of an SNL movie without the context of it, which was always
01:45:50
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as non-Americans, very hard for us to process. What is this night at the Roxbury of which you speak? Should I know what the Roxbury is? Like what is going on here? And that can't be culturally sensitive 30 years later. Um, but like, and so I, I've been reading, I read the book. It's, it's a wonderful account. It's, it's very thorough. It's fascinating. And it's just, I think an interesting interesting study of like creativity and managing like a production of that scale for that long. That is just interesting. Even if you don't know anything of the actual content of the media. Yeah. I'm i'm kind of a sucker for oral histories like that. and And yeah, I read the book a couple of years ago and I thought it was great.
01:46:29
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and I'm curious about the Jason Reitman movie that is apparently pretty good Saturday night. That's, that's coming out this fall. That's like the sort of, uh, the movie that takes place over the course of whatever two hours of right before going alive of the first episode of SNL. Um, seems a little sort of little masturbatory of like the power of art. Um, but, uh, my dad's friends are there as well. Like, you know, I mean,
01:46:55
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The, the, the strange thing about Saturday Night Live, I got, I got really lucky where someone I knew was directing shorts for SNL for a season. And so I got to go and see a live taping of Saturday Night Live. And I've always been ah incredibly like, I've always watched Saturday Night Live, but I've always been incredibly neutral towards it where it's just like, ah, you know, sometimes it's funny. Sometimes it's not the interesting thing. And the thing I wish they would show more is how absolutely goddamn impressive. It is that they make this show happen in general. Yeah. Yeah. They have three stages. Uh, one of them doubles as the music stage. One of them doubles as like where the host does the monologue and then a third stage and the amount of movement that happens in between and during sketches. I cannot believe like I was far more impressed with Saturday Night Live seeing the behind the scenes of it. It was,
01:47:51
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It was a machine of chaos that I cannot believe exists. And crazy to do it once a week. They put the shows together once a week with yeah with a different focal point who your mileage may vary on how good they are at this kind of thing. you know Exactly. So the the the thing I would hope for with a movie like this is it does offer a little bit of reverence to the process.
01:48:15
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whether or not that does it for you. I really like the behind the scene process of stuff like that. um but ah ah But that was really neat. So hopefully they shine a light on that. I'm even a sucker for like schlocky things like Newsroom, which was the, or like Studio 60 and the Sunset Strip, which like, I love Aaron Sorkin. So I like, again, like all time pass. And like those shows are like,
01:48:37
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dumb, like genuinely dumb to go back and rewatch. But I do like the chaos of, Oh my God, it's the last day when you're putting on a live production and everything's going wrong and what are we going to do? And it's like ah ah but a process movie. People good at their jobs. Sometimes I like watching them.
01:48:52
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yeah I do love the idea that like Marty's waiting for like Saturday night to pause in the middle so Dan Aykroyd can deliver a stirring monologue about the importance of SNL to American democracy.
01:49:03
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um <unk>s bradley whitford break of my hate
01:49:10
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ah but like and That is again something that is insane to me is that you bring in a guest every week and the guest may not like have an aptitude and ability or an interest in anything, and you as a cast and a production team have to craft the entire show, not just like weekly, but around this guest and their persona and their ability, which you have no sense of before they arrive. like They show up on Tuesday morning and you're like, this is what we're working with. And it's like, okay, now get to work. It is insane how that happens. As somebody who's never watched an episode of it, just conceptually thinking about it gives me migraines. No, seriously. and And how, yeah, from like, you know, you can have some of the most famous humans in the world and they're terrible. Like Michael Jordan was awful. but Great at basketball, but seemingly terrible at everything else. Terrible on SNL. But then you have someone like ah recently Adam Driver who just like fucking chews it up when he goes on there. And he is like, oh, this is my chance to just be weird as hell. And he's great every time he's on or Gosling or anyone like that. Folks who are like super game for it. So, yeah, that same show.
01:50:21
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ah the ah a real quick a book that i picked up recently and have yet to thumb through but it was recommended to me recently um ah which is an older book called film making on the fringe i had to google my ah my my search history to Uh, the good and bad, uh, and the deviant directors, it's kind of a bunch of interviews with, uh, old, uh, B movie directors, including an interview with Sam Raimi, um, like before he did any, before he did Spider-Man, like while he was still considered just a Schlocky B movie director filmmaking, uh, on the fringe, uh, is a book I picked up real recently. That's crazy. We should give ourselves some homework for the next time we do an episode. Let's put together a little shared list of like cool books related to like the film and TV industry, or you know animation industry or stuff. like Here's just records for folks to check out if you're into movies, like you know ah like Easy Riders, Raging Bowls, and stuff like that. yeah
01:51:19
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I love the part he's gone from like our books dead to we should do an entire show about books. Let's bring but so we should literally put the link to the ah like blessed we don't either talk about them books are dead. They close my borders. That's the first place I ever had a chai latte.
01:51:38
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they took chi lattes from Yeah, think about that. does it make you angry Is it a border crossing? hu I love it. Marty, I really think you should be more noble about this. Oh, that man died. The barn store where just died.
Innovative Storytelling in 'House of Leaves'
01:51:55
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Fucking what's happening? Right. Yeah, he died. He died. So you got a shame to yourself. and I don't know. No, you know, it's fine to make a joke about the things that it's not make a joke about him because he's dead.
01:52:06
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but ah Nick Gordon with a $5 donut. We're going to get through these if it fucking kills me. Nick Gordon with a $5 donut. Marty, I'm halfway through House of Leaves. On your recommendation, I'm not sure what to think yet. I think that's kind of the point. ah House of Leaves is also a book I recommend to people. It is very strange. the It is a book where the book as a physical object is a is a part of the reading process, including um blank pages, having to turn pages upside down, things scribbled in the margins. It's like a almost an interactive book, but the elevator pitch is that it is about a family who moves into a house. And it turns out the house is slightly bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. And what's going on there? I like any book that sets the premise and then asks, what's going on here? Yeah, I mean, it does sound like it could be quite a polarizing read. It's a bit of a take it or leave it, if you ask me.
01:53:00
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The parts of nobleman is dead. terry why't you be doing this Making puns at a time like this. The five Euro don't know. Thank you so much. Last action hero was a fantastic movie. One of Arnie's best. Wasn't it a monumental failure? It was. Yeah. I like it in theory more than I like it in practice. Like, and there are lots of things that are absolutely amazing. but black Also, I think it was written by a lot of people. Um, it's one of those movies. I don't want to start with James Black or did it end up.
01:53:34
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Yeah. All 40 of them in a room together. Um, yeah. Like the, the Charles dance stuff in that movie is incredible. Like the, like the army stuff is good. The dance, stuff the dance stuff is absolutely incredible. The moment where he just shoots a guy in the middle of LA and just checks his watch waiting to see if anything happens. One of the great moments in film. Yeah. Charles dances, uh, is, is incredible. One of my favorite parts of the alien resurrection as well.
01:54:03
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yeah three that Alien resurrection, not alien three, alien three. Damn it. I had a 50-50 shot. I almost had an AVP requiem. And that's taking the garden with a two Euro donut.
01:54:17
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Someone mentioned Darren's books. ah The only book of Darren's I read was the X-Files book and I thought it was delightful. That was a wonderful companion along with my X-Files rewatch the other year. You didn't mention the boner pills, the hot sauce or the dead dog commercials enough.
01:54:32
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Which I thought was a little weird, that in your X-Files book you neglected to mention the commercials that aired during the weird rural Wisconsin TV reruns of them in 2024. But other than that, I thought it was great. ah You know, eight years after I wrote the book as well. um But yeah, no, there's probably boner pills eight years ago. Dogs were dying eight years ago. Yeah. Why don't you care about the dogs dying, Darren? What have you got against dogs? The dogs dying. Do you have any plans to write more books? You don't have to go on some details, but is that something you want to do? Is that something you...
01:55:07
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That gets a lot of work. I would like to do it if I had time. That's the thing. The X-Files book and the Nolan book and the Doctor Who book all kind of happened when I had more time. And I have less time now. And there is also the fact that like... Is this part of our fault?
01:55:24
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Not at all. Um, there was also like, I think it was 2017, 2018. I was like, I pitched this book that was going to be, you know, like a proper hefty book book that was going to be like fandom in the 21st century. And like we, I had a publisher lined up and they were very excited about it. And they were like, look, this is going to be the cutting edge thing. I pitched it in 2016. They're very excited. And what literally happened is in quick succession, you had like the Ghostbusters, you had the Zack Snyder fandom, you had the Last Jedi release, and it was like I literally in 2018 had to like sit down on a call and say I cannot do this.
01:56:05
Speaker
the headspace. This book was meant to be like an exploration of the relationship between fans and the art and like how joyous and how wonderful that is and how much time, like how they kind of intermingle and how you have this generation of people making art who were fans and had the line between fan fiction and but actual fiction has blurred and why that's interesting and the historical precedent for it. And now I just, whenever I get into the headspace, it's like, also it's a virulent hate movement as well.
01:56:33
Speaker
And it's like, I don't want to, i that's not a book I want to write. um I just, I can't do it. um And I think that, that kind of killed the momentum of me writing where the Dr. Who thing was somebody was like, Hey, we'd like you to write a book about Dr. Who. And I'm like, sure, why not? um But like that, that fan book where it was like, okay, Darren, have you seen this headline about the lady Ghostbusters? And I'm like, yes, I have. Have you seen this headline about the Snyder fans threatening to kill people? And it's like, yes, I have. Hey, have you seen this thing about like the vandalization of Wikipedia? And I'm like, yes, I have. Um, and I was like, I just, I'm out. i don't worry The last season of Game of Thrones is coming and everything will be fine.
01:57:13
Speaker
Oh, fuck. That was another one as well. Yeah. And that was another one. It was just a few years span. Everything broke. What happened? I mean, And to be fair, like I'm very myopic. I'm like, I'm very myopic and being like the problem here is like internet fandom. It is representative of a larger breakage of things socially. And that was also a reason why I didn't want to write the book because it was like,
01:57:41
Speaker
I can't talk about these things in a vacuum. I have to find a way to explain how they relate to larger culture. And it's like, it's attached to this weird tentacle monster that is just like when you find a hair in your drain and you keep pulling at it. That was the inside of my head every time I thought about this book for about four years or however long it was. I'm just going to google anything big happened in 2016 that might've acted as a catalyst. year yeah but of ja and ah That's a great answer. Well, you know what? Let's just combine all all this shit you've written for us, and there you go. You got a book. Just publish it. There you go. You've written a bazillion words for us, which is wonderful. um Most of them spelt right.
01:58:26
Speaker
A majority of them spell right, and if they're not spelled right, we change them. Sometimes maybe we miss them. Listen, I'm an editor. I never said I'm a good editor. I'm an editor though, so who knows. ah any any other Any other things we've been watching recently that deserve a shout out? Jack, have you dev you have you watched? To be fair. To fair rub be fair, the famous To Be Fair.
01:58:52
Speaker
ah To be fair, ah by the way, if you go on Tubi right now, you can watch the phenomenal movie Ready or Not. Oh, it's really good. Which if you have not seen Ready or Not, go watch it. it's free Go to Tubi and watch Ready or Not. ah You can do that right now without even signing up. Tubi does not sponsor us, but man, if they would, that would be cool. Legally, I have to say they do not sponsor us because I live in the European Union. that like Legally, I have to tell you, they know.
01:59:17
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They do not sponsor us. I just think to be is one of the greatest streaming services ever because they have random garbage and they don't even make you so like sign into an account. You don't even need to give them your email. They just want to show you cool shit. So, but so you go watch ready or not on to be television. It's never television. Only nineties kids. That is the pitch of to be. It's like, what if you don't have to pay us? We just show you ads. It's like, what a revolutionary model that is.
01:59:47
Speaker
I am okay with that. So yeah, if you, if you head over to to be, uh, you can watch ready or not, which is a phenomenal movie that I don't think enough people are talking about. And so, boom yeah, crazy, crazy fun. Yeah. And that's fair to be, to be, we have a theme there. Oh, that's their theme. everything That's to be. He just stole it. from dobi and instead of going, is that Netflix? That was Netflix. That was great. That's an A1 recommendation for 2B. Yeah. Oh my God. What just happened? ah Darren, did you watch anything?
02:00:26
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if watch movies in the last No, i'm I've been focusing on books since they're dying. I'm like, yeah, I watched a bunch of stuff just very quickly. Stuff that is worth there in cinemas at the moment, like speak no evil, the remake. It's fine. Like I had a good time with it. It's another one of those movies that has a lot of problems with it. It makes no sense. It is very goofy. It's very silly. It's an adaptation of a Danish horror movie, which is one of the most bleak and nihilistic things I've ever seen. And this movie is like,
02:00:53
Speaker
But isn't it cool if James McAvoy like is really swole, wears a tank top and makes funny faces at the camera. And I'm like, yeah, it is. It's really fun. It's, it's, it's a really interesting approach to a remake because like for the first two thirds, it is like almost beat for beat the Danish, movie except the tone is slightly off.
02:01:12
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The tone of the Danish movie is like, man, this would be really uncomfortable if it happened to you when you were with other people. Whereas the tone of the like American remake is we know that, you know, that this is based in a Danish horror movie and there is no ambiguity here. In fact, James McAvoy is trolling you right now.
02:01:29
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now is the general feeling of the movie as he pushes the boundaries of social norms. And the final third of the movie just branches off in a completely different direction, kind of turns into this weird, like home alone-esque action movie in which James McAvoy like chases Scoot McNary through a farmhouse. um It's just, it is fun. It is very fun. It's not perfect. It's not high art, but I had a good time and with it. And I think if you're willing to be done on its level, you will as well. In terms of my stuff, the penguin we mentioned, I really enjoyed the penguin. um Also, I've seen the first four episodes of Agatha all along. I'm allowed mentioned that I've seen that. Not a huge fan, unfortunately. um I think the cast is phenomenal.
02:02:08
Speaker
It's one of those things. It's the Roger Ebert test of like Roger Ebert had this test, which was like, when you watch a movie, you should not be thinking that it would be more fun to have dinner with the cast than it would be to watch the movie. And the problem is while watching the TV show Agatha all along, I'm like, I would love to like just sit at a dinner table with these people and trade stories. It's a show that it has stakes in terms of plot.
02:02:30
Speaker
but it doesn't have stakes emotionally and narratively. It doesn't have tension or momentum or forward movement. You know what the characters want and they explain to you in great depth how they're going to accomplish it, but you don't necessarily understand like why you care about it, which is a shame because there's a lot to like. The production design is fantastic. Han is amazing.
02:02:51
Speaker
They have some really great original songs in there as well. They do some original compositions, which I really, really, really like the witches song that they chant the Calvin, which I think they showed off in morning America or D 23 is very good. Um, but like the show itself four episodes in, I'm like, I don't know what this is about in big inverted commas. I don't know why I'm watching this. I don't know where this is going and I don't know why I care about it. Um, which is, you know, a problem as much as I enjoy the aesthetics in the cast. Sorry. yeah spooky at all It's very much meant for, it's very child friendly. Like it is, it is spooky in the sense that there are shadows. Um, and to be fair, there is some adult language, which I found very weird. There's lighting that causes shadows based on objects. it hits
02:03:40
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okay But like to be fair, for color corrected, kind of like we we talk about the Marvel method of shooting movies where everything looks like it was shot at exactly noon because it's been rendered inside a computer. The fact that shadows exist in this TV show is notable, I think.
02:03:55
Speaker
um and like It's kind of interesting because it exists in a weird space where it is kind of like meant to appeal a little bit to adults. It opens, this is not a spoiler because it's already been revealed. It opens with an extended homage to the um Kate Winslet TV show, Mayor of Easttown, which is not a joke that kids are going to get. um But also it is very clearly meant.
02:04:20
Speaker
Um, but it is also like, it is also clearly meant to be family entertainment and is, it has this kind of like, you can tell that the character is going to have an arc that will be like heartwarming to a certain extent in her relationship with other characters around her. Um, but yeah, it is, I, it's not scary. It's not particularly spooky. It's not as good as was at the, what was the, the, the Halloween, especially the black and white one. we're off by night but werewolf by night with Diego Luna, which I had issues with, but I thought was much better and more consistent. Yeah, I was hoping that would be like, oh, maybe we'll get like a short, a short spooky thing every Halloween from Marvel. And then we don't. And it's like nine seasons, nine episodes, baby. Like, that's the thing. I got four screeners at this and I'm like, OK, at least they're showing me two thirds of the show. And it's like, no, baby, nine episodes. Sorry. Sounds like Agatha would be a little too long.
02:05:14
Speaker
I tried to be like you there and it didn't work. No, I appreciate the effort. Yeah, you you did it. The other thing I've been watching, i I can't I won't get into specifics because we want to save that. I've been working something, a larger project over with ah the red letter media guys in which we are watching a ah storied ah franchise of horror movies. My my my hint is it's 17 movies long.
02:05:44
Speaker
And we are watching all 17 movies. I will not tell you what movies they are. um But we have too many movies in a horror print. It's not Amityville because Amityville is like 30, right?
02:05:58
Speaker
Right. And so we filmed episode, we filmed part one of the discussion talking about the first seven films, uh, last night, which was really great to just release from my brain. Uh, but are you able to just delete that now? Like, like that's what I'm really hoping for like empty recycling bin. Like your brain on not like yeah like, it's just like relaxing. now I have to keep, I have to keep a general sense cause now I have to watch the next 10 movies in the series. Um, uh, but part one of that should be coming out in a couple of weeks. Uh, and uh, so I don't want to spoil too much, but holy be Jesus.
02:06:37
Speaker
ah What's very interesting is this is a franchise that started kind of somewhere in the 80s 90s and so kind of the the ups and downs of the series as the budget grows as the budget very obviously shrinks as the as The joy is there as the joy very obviously shrinks. It's very very fun. So It's not Friday, the 13th because there are only 12 movies in the Friday, the 13th franchise, which feels like a troll, which I absolutely liked. Yeah, correct. They don't make another one. So yeah,
02:07:13
Speaker
so yeah that's, that's my brain is very filled with that. Uh, you will, you will enjoy it. It will be a very long discussion, both episodes. So that'll be great. There you go. Yeah.
02:07:25
Speaker
um Sticking with horror. I saw a a horror movie a few weeks ago. They're really like called strange darling Have you guys heard about strange darling darling? No, I've heard about this. This is coming to Netflix. Isn't there something? I'm not sure I saw Nader's, but it is it's a story about a serial killer and it's told in six nonlinear chunks. And so it starts at part three and then you go to part four and then it goes back. And so you're not sure what's going on, but it starts with, ah it sort of has this opening about like one of the most, ah ah one of the most ruthless serial killers went out of Spree in like the Pacific Northwest.
02:08:03
Speaker
And this is finally the story of how they were ultimately caught. And ah the movie just starts with this like woman running through the forest as as a man with a gun is trying to kill her. And that's like part three of it. And you slowly get to like, oh, wait, what's happening here? And then we jump back to the beginning. And what is the context here? ah The movie is ah just almost like in a violent nature earlier this year. The movie is just kind of beautifully shot. And it's shot it's it's not directed, but the cinematographer is Giovanni Ribisi, the actor.
02:08:30
Speaker
Which is, I think he just wants to become a cinematographer now. And the movie has this like really gorgeous, again, talking about Rebel Ridge, it's this gorgeous, like this this feels like like the Pacific Northwest kind kind of thing. Just the way it's like shot and and the the violence in it and sort of untangling the mystery of what is going on here between these between these two people and everything. um Yeah, really, ah really, really enjoyed it. um kind of best. I don't want to go into too many details cause it is best. Uh, I think best experienced as sort of like getting the full punches of the reveals on, on, uh, on, uh, on a, on a viewing. But, uh, yeah, big fan of it. Yeah. Yeah. What about you doing anything else?
02:09:13
Speaker
ah No, I think that that's about it. I think I i ran through what I'd seen already. um Yeah. watch for right they ah oh A couple folks were asking about ah Rings of Power, and I think we're going to save it to closer to the end of the series and which is I think sometime next month. And we want to bring Jamaite on that one because Jamaite is the Lord of the Rings aficionado of the group. So I want to say there is a scene that nobody believes exists in Rings of Power. There's a shot that like is burned on my brain.
02:09:42
Speaker
And if you haven't seen it, you will not believe it exists. There's a moment where the stranger who's like I believe Daniel Waymare, um it's maybe Gandalf, maybe not. He encounters a strange farmer in the middle of the wilderness played by Rory Kinnear from the you know various things, including he was the man in men, for example, but also, you know, any dreadful the James Bond movies. And at one point, one point, the stranger is like, who are you? As if he's asking Batman, low angle camera shot.
02:10:11
Speaker
Rory Kinnear leaning back against a tree, arm resting up high. Been a while since anybody called me anything he says, but back in, and I believe it's way more mirror. I can't remember exactly where it is. Folks used to call me Baba dill, Tom Baba dill. And you're waiting for like the James Bond music sting in the background, found but they do the proper like Spielberg. low yeah ah do and It's incredible. It's one of the most great that actually is in the show. It's a low angle camera shop pushing in on Rory Canier. As he says, the lines folks used to call me Babadil, Tom Bama. Oh,
02:10:56
Speaker
I am shook. All 15 Bombadil heads out there just going fucking nuts. Including me, I'm a big Bombadil head. Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil it for you. I didn't want to spoil it for you. Oh, oh my god. Wait, so that's who that guy is? Yeah, sorry. Is Big B, Big B.
02:11:18
Speaker
Tom Babadil was always the guy I could never get past. Like we love a big B on this podcast. That was the guy I could never get past. When I was reading like Lord of the rings, I'd be like, when are they leaving the Shire? When are they leaving the Shire? When are they leaving the Shire? When finally they left the Shire and it's just straight into 30 pages of Tom Babadil. And I'm just like, I can't do this.
02:11:37
Speaker
Oh. My. Fucking. God, I have to watch this right now. The podcast is over. This is the rest of my day. I'm taking the week off, Marty. I'm watching this. This is, this is scandalous beyond comprehend that mother fucker's bomb. but to Fuck that. Absolutely not. he too Too hot, not hot enough. What, what is the problem with like Rory Keneer is Bob, but they'll explain it for me.
02:12:04
Speaker
ah the this Fred Keneer should have been Bombadil. Oh my God. That got the wrong Keneer. Bombadil is, is a hotly contested topic amongst us, a Tolkien heads, ah you know, what his role in the universe is, what his, you know, a God angel status is in within the universe. And if you're telling me this motherfucker just fell from the sky and started doing magic shit, fuck that.
02:12:32
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's not the guy from the first season. He's not the guy from the first season. He's not the guy from the first season. not He's not the space wizard from the first season.
02:12:43
Speaker
Yeah, he's not Daniel Waymere. Okay. Daniel Waymere sees this guy. okay yeah know have we and we together raining to rain ander yeah I was about to rage against the dying night for a little bit thinking that they, like their gotcha was that this was a Tom Bombadil origin story. Disarmed the bomb Adele. It's okay.
02:13:05
Speaker
oh Oh my god. Babadil and Babadook. Babadil and Babadook. Tell me you don't want that TV show. Could you imagine? I thought, I thought that the entirety of the rings of power was like a secret Tom Bombadil origin story. And I was about to freak the fuck out. Uh, no, he just runs into Tom. That's great. No, that's great. yeah that was good get my I was like, why are you so mad that they just randomly run? That just seems like why he exists. yeah he right so just right different Different, large bearded man. Yep. It's fine. Everything's fine. Okay. Everything's fine. We solved it.
02:13:44
Speaker
No one's writing books anymore, but we solved it, so let's go. I apologize to everyone. Oh, ah incredible. I am now really looking forward to the Rings of Power conversation. that we better be We better tell... ja like yeah Listen, if when we talk about Bombadil, you just got to be careful. like Just be careful. Don't be dropping Bombadils. Don't be dropping too many Bombadils around him. ah Last couple of super chats. Just a couple of Bombada sweet and sours. Ooh, delicious. Delicious. Quintuple A with another $5. No, no, thank you so much, Quintuple. Darren, I will buy a collection of your articles for my Kindle. Look at that. You can become a little Kindle boy.
02:14:26
Speaker
Great. ah we cannot I already am a Kindle boy. I'm a published author. I'm a real grown man. i would a kid boy exactly If you're a patron, you can download them and turn them into PDFs and put them on your Kindle. Yeah. Put them on your Kindle like as for the subscription. like I bet I've got no real problem with that. However you read those articles, I'm happy. and Yeah, absolutely. I just i download a ah big Deron torrent every year. Oh, okay. Yeah, Deron works. You wouldn't download a Deron, would you? There's no cedars! Holy leechers!
02:15:01
Speaker
I hire Rory Kinnear to stand at a tree and narrate my articles to me. They really helped me out. I was a great sleep aid. For the first couple, Jack was very angry and then he was like, oh no, wait, I just misunderstood.
02:15:16
Speaker
Captain President, thank you so much with a $10 don't know. Appreciate you. Speaking of Kyle Galner, Kyle Galner, who is the, ah he is the, one of the leads in Strange Darling, the serial killer movie I was talking about.
02:15:30
Speaker
ah Have you, all have any of you seen Dinner in America? I have not seen Dinner in America. Um, no, there are good things about it. No, I've heard breakfast. I've seen breakfast in America, but not dinner in America. Oh, I've only seen breakfast in Tiffany's. So when we were talking, all right, everyone's got their breakfast. I didn't eat breakfast. No one could beat me there. Um, Eric put up a picture earlier that I am just wearing the same shirt as the man in the serial killer film right now, which is, I mean, it's just like a red plaid shirt, which is pretty normal, but, um, I just want everyone to, I'm not a serial killer.
02:16:08
Speaker
na interesting We look pretty good. Me and him right there. We look pretty good. Guns are scary. no so i don't He seems comfortable firing guns. Guns are very scary to me. They're loud and I feel like my hands tremble too much. so yeah I'm not getting serial killer vibes, Marty. More like so supporting character on a late season of Fargo.
02:16:26
Speaker
That's kind of where I, that's where I put your kind of church. That's still serial killer vibe. Sometimes. depending That might've been on set when John Ham's butt was showing. So think about that kind of.
Surreal Metaphors in 'Mad Men'
02:16:36
Speaker
Uh, maybe I didn't know if I needed those, but okay. He had those in Batman too. Don Draper had those first, the first man in America to get nipple piercings.
02:16:46
Speaker
didn't come up that what that was yeah
02:16:51
Speaker
Uh, there's the one where he lost one of his nipple piercings at his office. And as he's like grounding around for it, he remembers like growing up, uh, back in the back in the. It's an entire metaphor for the tortured American experience. It's a subplot running through the episode where JFK does and everybody's really sad so gone as looking for his. Yeah. yeah And it's like, it's like searching for that part of you that was lost. And then he turns that and into like, it's like Windex, when you're searching for that part of you that is lost, streak it away. And the Windex CEO was like, uh, that sounds great, but there's blood on your nipple right now.
02:17:34
Speaker
I would watch that. Honestly, they should read your madmen. This just sounds like the frosted movie now, which isn't great.
02:17:42
Speaker
confrosted apologies's not the frosted movie unfrost not right not ah not a also and of four aren't we all riding the muscle ring hoping it will bring us back home again sorry it's the garousel ah yeah un po of pop tarts i don't yeah I think that's just how they were at the start.
02:18:00
Speaker
Who's eating that? Who's eating that? That's crazy. I don't know. I don't know.
Fundraising and Written Content Promotions
02:18:04
Speaker
I have to leave the movie for my brain. And SPS Guru with one last don't know, two euros. Thank you so much. Kyle Galner, the actor, the titular Kyle Galner, was also in a sci-fi movie, Alien Code. I've never heard of it, but it sounds bad, I want to say. A couple Galner heads in here. A couple real Galner heads. We go to bat for Galner right now. We go wild for Galner. That's it. okay We're done. Everyone can go to bat. Darren?
02:18:28
Speaker
ah where Where can folks check you out? what should What should folks know about in your neck of the woods? well yeah um big thing. ah The only thing I'd like to push this week is my sister is raising money for the um flying doctors in Australia. Um, so it's on my social media. If you want to find that and donate to it, they're raising to basically bring equipment and medical facilities to parts of Australia that are not easily reachable. Um, so if you are listening to this, if you did enjoy this conversation, and if you have a couple of euros or a couple of Australian dollars, which are cheaper than American dollars. So it's a good buy. Um, but yeah, if you want to show your support that way, it's a very good cause. Uh, my brother does work with them as well. It's great. I'm but the Royal flying. Yes. Royal flying doctors. Yep. And the name is Lorna Mooney. If you want to just search out the, uh, the donation there, um, but you it's it is, it's almost as if we're related. Um, it's, I love being the one of my siblings, uh, one of the the, the, one of these siblings, um, who is the, you know, who is not like somebody who contributes to the net good of humanity there. There she is. There's the, uh, so if you, if you do want to donate, that would be well appreciated.
02:19:35
Speaker
Um, yeah, yeah, there you go. Uh, thank you. And definitely, uh, like we mentioned earlier, check out Darren's, uh, latest backdrop, the, uh, wonderful James Earl Jones. And remember any, uh, if you're a a member of our Patrion at the $5 tier or above, you get, uh, several of Darren's written columns every week, usually three, four columns a week. Right. Oh, no, no.
02:20:05
Speaker
You're, listen, you do a Friday and a Monday one and then you usually get like a one for you sort of over the weekend where you just write about whatever you want. And that's that is, you could do that. You could not do that. That's a little bonus boy. So um yeah. That's a for me. That's a one for me. That's that's an absolute one for you. Jack, what about you? what ah What should folks check out?
02:20:26
Speaker
Um, uh, just up over the weekend was, uh, Jesse Galina and eyes, uh, packs West, uh, panel. Uh, so if you want to listen to Jesse Galina and I talk about dungeon mastering for about an hour, you, oh, you just get that. It was a really fun time doing it. A lot of really great stories, a really fun time. Uh, I will be back streaming tomorrow with Yahtzee for Yahtzee tries and Marty and I will be back on Thursday to, uh, whether we defeat the final boss or not, we will be playing our very last Elden ring DLC.
02:20:56
Speaker
Uh, lovely, lovely times. And then of course, it was nine and all the other fun stuff. yeah And you have a couple more packs videos. It'll be going up even in the near future. Some fun. Excited. Yeah. I don't know if we've talked about what we did. We, we filmed a couple more videos. The next one to come out. I'm very, very excited about. It was such a silly time. Uh, it was good. Yeah. Uh, would you say that you have a packs week ahead of you?
02:21:23
Speaker
ah so Part, part of the video is I challenged Casey and Jesse for the, uh, for their best packs pun. And both of them, uh, surprised me with their answers. And so oh is what I will say.
02:21:39
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Darren's spirit was they quickly just like texted Darren. You got to give us some tax funds. I need the location of it. I need the time of it. I need the subject of any game you're playing and I need anybody else. in the room yeah that it ah Yeah, in terms of other stuff, yeah, Jack mentioned tomorrow will be on Yahtzee Tries normal
Upcoming Content and Audience Engagement
02:22:02
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time. We got Firelink tomorrow evening normal time. We got Elden Ring and and Devil May Cry. Normal time on Thursday. We'll probably do might be some Chicky Friday streams, TBD. And then you can check out ah my latest episode of the archive that much like Darren was saying with Omar and ah Jesse Schwab, ah Javed, my my producer and editor on it, absolutely ah just makes my my dumb script and Veo sing this episode on Parasite Eve, a great survival horror game from the late 90s that I loved. So check that out. Which which is also like you you say it's about Parasite Eve, but it's also just like a sneaky little history of Squaresoft.
02:22:43
Speaker
And then I just like dive into like, oh, I want to talk about the composer for all the Studio Ghibli movies for a little bit. And yeah, it's a glorious, glorious watch, everyone. Yeah, it was. ah Yeah. Thank you so much. it was ah It was great. So yeah, all sorts of great, great stuff. Everyone chuck check all those out. So yeah, for for Jack and Darren and Eric, of course, this was Marty.
02:23:02
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Thank you all so much ah for joining, for for, like we said, tuning in, whether you're live on YouTube right now, watching the VOD, listening to it on a podcast ah service of your choice. And then just thanks to the support, wherever you support us. So we appreciate it. We appreciate it. This was the rewind episode number five. Thank you all so much. And we'll see you all soon. Bye, everyone. Bye, guys.