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Speaker: Hey everyone, Jim Phoenix here, and boy am I excited for our next guest.
Speaker: It is the final author interview, and it is with a longtime friend-o, Isaac Thorne.
Speaker: I claim discovering him, even though he was discovered like years before I met him, but sure, our secret.
Speaker: He talks about Hellspring, the novel that we are giving away, by the way.
Speaker: And talks about writing processes and weird things and cool weird things.
Speaker: And of course, all this and more on Isaacthorne.com.
Speaker: I-S-A-A-C-T-H-O-R-N-E.com.
Speaker: Spelling exam done.
Speaker: What's cracking up next?
Speaker: Hit it.
Speaker: Hey everyone, Jim Phoenix here, and boy am I excited for this new What's Crackin'.
Speaker: This one I've been waiting for for an author series for a while.
Speaker: It is probably the person I thought of first when I said we're going to do an author series.
Speaker: It's none other than Isaac Thorne.
Speaker: If you've done anything at all in horror, you should know his name.
Speaker: He's got Hellspring already out.
Speaker: It's almost legal to drink in some areas.
Speaker: or legal to date.
Speaker: I forgot.
Speaker: You're old.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: One of the two, but Isaac, thank you so much for coming over.
Speaker: I bet you're regretting it already.
Speaker: It's like, how are you doing, sir?
Speaker: I'm doing well.
Speaker: Thanks for, uh, for having me here.
Speaker: It's, uh, it was, uh, uh, quite a job to get us on the, uh, the same schedule, but we did it.
Speaker: And, uh, and we're here now.
Speaker: Yes, it was.
Speaker: It was,
Speaker: For those that don't follow social media that much, we kind of tag team COVID.
Speaker: Not in the cool way.
Speaker: In the very weird, awkward way.
Speaker: Like, I can't do it.
Speaker: Like, oh, that's fine.
Speaker: We'll schedule.
Speaker: And then that day, the day of, same thing.
Speaker: Like, oh, man, I just came down with it.
Speaker: How?
Speaker: It's like a little virus, I guess, that goes around through the computer waves now.
Speaker: But I'm so glad it worked out.
Speaker: Both of our voices willing will kind of hold up.
Speaker: Now, I have to admit, I do remember.
Speaker: I do remember you, a young strapling author who was already well established, by the way.
Speaker: But in my mind, a young strapling author submitting to, I think it was, was it Ricky's Backyard?
Speaker: Or was that...
Speaker: Or was it Haunted MTL then?
Speaker: It was... It wasn't Haunted MTL, but it was Haunted MTL by the time... Yeah, but by the time... It got into the publication.
Speaker: It got into the publication, it was Haunted MTL, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, that was a little short story called Dead Rights that has never been published anywhere else since, as a matter of fact.
Speaker: It'll probably end up in a collection someday, but...
Speaker: But yeah, I was happy to have it in Haunted MTL.
Speaker: I love that story.
Speaker: I thought it was funny.
Speaker: And you guys apparently did too.
Speaker: No, it was absolutely amazing because if you ever have to get the other end of the stick with being a publisher, you get a lot of stuff going, oh, the slush piles get really slushy sometimes.
Speaker: I saw this and I'm like, oh my God, this is really good.
Speaker: This is amazing.
Speaker: Me, not Googling anyone's name at all.
Speaker: I'm like, boy, he's got a career going for me.
Speaker: He can take this far.
Speaker: And then later on, I see the name pop up on Twitter.
Speaker: I'm like, oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker: Okay, right, right, right, right.
Speaker: Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker: Yeah, it's brilliant.
Speaker: I felt like I just discovered Michael Jordan.
Speaker: This is awesome.
Speaker: Oh, no, he plays for the Bulls already.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Five championships already?
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: And so dead rights.
Speaker: Oh, thank you.
Speaker: Thank you very much.
Speaker: Dead rights was one of those that, that actually, it, it was kind of a rarity in, in idea.
Speaker: You know, it was one of those things that just basically comes to you fully formed and, and you write it down and, and usually my stuff doesn't work that way.
Speaker: It I'll start with a, yeah,
Speaker: you know, a scene, an idea for a scene and then work around that for the short stories at least.
Speaker: But yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker: You're saying that.
Speaker: So this came horribly formed.
Speaker: Dead rice just popped in your head.
Speaker: yeah yeah and uh it uh i i don't know why i usually my stuff is is somewhat influenced by the news current events you know uh politics uh culture things like that and um i don't remember what was going on um when i wrote it but
Speaker: But there was some, I remember there being some kind of news influence there.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh, wouldn't it be funny, you know, if this guy working in a university morgue studying anatomy fell in lust with the corpse on his table and then she sat up and called him out on it.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: See, that's...
Speaker: That's what brought me to it because maybe it's my generation, but it was very aware of this.
Speaker: One of my friends, their father owned a mortuary.
Speaker: And this is when the, the mortuary people were sleeping with the dead and getting caught.
Speaker: I don't know who's catching them, but they're getting caught with it.
Speaker: It was like the SNL skit.
Speaker: Like we actually do not have sex.
Speaker: with our cadavers that was the whole snl skit for a bit so i read that i'm like oh my god it's like that skit it's like that's good for like you know the the 90s like i love it and you're like that's what i think to derisha yes the news this must have been oh man well pre-covid so it go back to about five years and then probably what between 2015 to 19 to 18 ish maybe
Speaker: Yeah, 18 probably.
Speaker: It's probably a lot of the scandals.
Speaker: Yeah, so a lot of the sexual, the scandals kept breaking, you know, breaking wide open.
Speaker: The Weinstein thing and all that.
Speaker: Weinstein, yeah, was starting to crack open.
Speaker: So there we have it.
Speaker: It's the, I see, you see something on the news or it's the earworm and it's like, wouldn't it be funny if this happens?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Wouldn't that like little twist, a little twist of the truth, the twist of the story.
Speaker: And that's an amazing way of doing it.
Speaker: I've I've heard from other authors who said they had the entire story.
Speaker: I'm usually one of my entire story in my head, like even even unfortunately in novels and screenplay, which gets really heavy and it's insane.
Speaker: But that and the.
Speaker: the scene starts.
Speaker: You have the scene, then you write the story around the scene, or you see where the scene takes you.
Speaker: Do you ever try to force a character in and see what would happen if I do this hat?
Speaker: This guy gets in there.
Speaker: I've learned, I've kind of learned that I can't force a character into any situation the character doesn't want to be.
Speaker: As soon as I start trying to force it, it starts to read that way.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: If you read that.
Speaker: Did you learn it?
Speaker: How did you learn it?
Speaker: How did you learn it?
Speaker: You try it?
Speaker: You try it?
Speaker: Yeah, actually.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I've gone back.
Speaker: The thing we all got before, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, you go back to, well, especially in my first drafts, because even the short stories I, you know, rewrite and rewrite several times.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: But you can, when you read it, especially in the first draft, you can tell, oh, I was trying to make this something that the character obviously didn't want it to be.
Speaker: So cut, you know, or replace with something else.
Speaker: That's pretty good advice.
Speaker: I think it's things that we think intrinsically we can do.
Speaker: And then we find out, no, no, no, you can't.
Speaker: Like we think like, oh, this is possible.
Speaker: I can make my characters do what I want.
Speaker: And the character fights back like, oh, I guess you're right.
Speaker: It's plot driven, not character.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: So we find these out.
Speaker: Is there anything else you did in your past as a writer that you discovered a better way of doing?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: not necessarily a better way.
Speaker: There are things I've stopped doing or stopped trying to do.
Speaker: Right, really?
Speaker: Yeah, when I write my novels, I tried originally to do outlines because a lot of people, yeah, a lot of people I admire were
Speaker: we're like outlines outlines you got to outline it and once you outline it once you have all your ideas and and scenes and characters and everything in that outline the writing is easy well the problem is
Speaker: I don't have the story fully formed enough to create an outline from it.
Speaker: Especially, I mean, I wouldn't outline a short story anyway, but with the novels, once I have the idea and I know I have kind of a sketch in my head of what I think is going to happen...
Speaker: Well, as soon as I try to outline that and think I have a good solid outline, when I start writing it, it goes somewhere else.
Speaker: So I ended up being what they call a seat of the pants writer, you know, more so when I do the long fiction.
Speaker: I do, instead of trying to outline from the beginning,
Speaker: before the first draft, I take the first draft and I create an outline from that when it's done.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That way when I do the rewrites, I can see the holes.
Speaker: I can see the places where the dots don't connect.
Speaker: I can see things that started to go somewhere and never did.
Speaker: And that way, right.
Speaker: In other words, I use an outline to fix more than I use it to create.
Speaker: I laugh because I find, I'm getting my own novel coming out shortly, and I found the same things where you write it and like, this is great in your head.
Speaker: And you start outlining like, oh, this character appears like once for three pages.
Speaker: Like, why is this person even here?
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Why is this even a thing?
Speaker: What am I doing?
Speaker: So it's like the, uh, you're doing like a post on, on the postmortem on the outline on the first draft and trying to outline it that way.
Speaker: And then do you then, uh, pin them to scenes or how do you move things around?
Speaker: What I usually do once I have that outline is I might move a chapter here or there.
Speaker: I might see something that I think, well, this really should have happened earlier for this character to be in this place later on.
Speaker: Or maybe...
Speaker: you know, this character wouldn't be having these revelations yet because not enough, you know, has has occurred to guide them to to whatever conclusion it is they're coming to.
Speaker: So I might move chapters around.
Speaker: And and if you do that, then you you do have to do some some rewriting
Speaker: in the chapters as well to make sure you don't have any you know leftovers there where somebody's somebody's reading um and they it sounds like something just happened when it actually happened days ago now you know um right and that and that's the thing especially we start moving around so tell me this is not refreshing your mind anymore so you really have to be careful with that
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: And that's why it pays to not only do that outline for me, but also to reread and review multiple times and put some space in the days between those.
Speaker: I finish a first draft, I won't look at it for a week or two.
Speaker: And then when I go back to it to do that, right.
Speaker: When I go back to it to do that outline, it's all fresh, you know?
Speaker: And then same thing after rewrites, you know, I'll, I'll go through it again.
Speaker: And I actually, I have a, um,
Speaker: application on my laptop that I used to have it read the manuscript aloud to me while I wear headphones.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Because I've also discovered that I can catch a lot of crap that way that I don't catch by reading it.
Speaker: Because you're not gap-filling.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Especially when you're reading your own work, your mind gap-fills.
Speaker: Yes, exactly.
Speaker: It just gives over stuff.
Speaker: And because you wrote it, it's like you know what you mean.
Speaker: But it's not in the paper, though.
Speaker: What's on paper is different from what's in your head.
Speaker: That's the issue.
Speaker: You mean the reader can't see what I'm thinking?
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Next year, the next new, that'll be horrific for me for technology now.
Speaker: So when you're doing something like house spring and I know house spring is the one that's your almost one year old.
Speaker: Oh, look at that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Almost one year old.
Speaker: I remember that first came out.
Speaker: I remember that because I saw that the cover of like, Oh, that's a cool.
Speaker: That's cover, man.
Speaker: I should probably cover like that's a cool cover.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That cover has, has, uh, generated a lot of eyeballs and, um, uh, a lot of comments and, and hopefully, um, a lot of the sales I've gotten of that, that novel.
Speaker: It's, uh,
Speaker: It's actually my I have one cover designer who's done most of the covers for my my books, and that includes the short stories that I put out as singles.
Speaker: And she and I actually usually table together at at local cons because she has her own, you know, art and coloring books, horror and fantasy themed that she sells.
Speaker: Oh, and that's amazing.
Speaker: Yeah, she just knocked it out of the park with Hellspring.
Speaker: It is my favorite of the covers she's done for me.
Speaker: I actually have a print of that hanging on my wall, you know, framed print.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Yeah, I absolutely love that cover.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I'm so glad you brought up your wall because one of the things I've seen, and I'm on your website right now, which is Isaacthorne.com, I-S-A-A-C-T-H-O-R-N-E.com, which if you are an author, I'm guilty of not doing this, but mine's coming.
Speaker: If you're an author, I strongly suggest getting your own website because it gives you that one
Speaker: big step towards your readers that you won't get just from doing Amazon's.
Speaker: And this is something I saw on your Instagram.
Speaker: It was the, the mailing room.
Speaker: I believe you're, you're doing like the whole mail.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I'm looking at sign paperbacks.
Speaker: If you go to Isaacthorne.com sign paperback and please correct me if I'm wrong is 1999.
Speaker: That's correct.
Speaker: Right now.
Speaker: And I, if you go to Amazon, I,
Speaker: The paperback.
Speaker: Final signature.
Speaker: 1999.
Speaker: So it's like a no-brainer.
Speaker: What would you rather do?
Speaker: Get it from the author with a signature on it?
Speaker: Or, you know, Amazon.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: This is a brilliant move.
Speaker: So what led you to this?
Speaker: Pricing a book when you're an indie author, it's always been kind of a hand-wringing thing for me because I want some profit from it.
Speaker: But when you're an indie, especially if you're the print stuff, if you're doing print-on-demand, it is more expensive short-term.
Speaker: to print on demand, the per copy print cost is higher than if you, you know, went to your local offset printer and had them print a thousand.
Speaker: Of course, then you have a thousand sitting in your basement, you know, you have a castle.
Speaker: You build cardboard box castles out of them.
Speaker: That's what we used to do.
Speaker: My castle.
Speaker: So the pricing is always a little bit of a hand-wringing thing for me.
Speaker: But I figured if I at least price it the same as I sell it for retail...
Speaker: I can include stickers.
Speaker: I can include bookmarks.
Speaker: I can include a signature.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And these little things that also have cost to them, but not so much cost that it's completely taking away the profit.
Speaker: You're not getting your profit margin, yeah.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And the customer gets more for their money as a result.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And I enjoy doing that.
Speaker: I like being able to provide them with something that they're not going to get buying it through Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
Speaker: And that's not that I'm not happy when someone buys it through another channel.
Speaker: Bookshop.org, indie bookshops, I'm a big fan of.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: But if I can give them a little something extra, I even have custom packaging that I send the physical books in that has my little bunny character on it.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: So we see like that includes two free evil bunny stickers.
Speaker: I'm like, oh, I need one of these now.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: I'd buy it.
Speaker: For me, it's like the book, I probably already have.
Speaker: But the bunny stickers, I do not.
Speaker: It's like a $20 bunny sticker.
Speaker: I'm like, oh, it's $10 each.
Speaker: I'll do it.
Speaker: I'm crazy that way.
Speaker: Give me those buddy.
Speaker: I'll take buddy stickers all day, sir.
Speaker: So I like how you're packing this up.
Speaker: You're making it both a business, but not so much.
Speaker: It's not like an MBA kicking in.
Speaker: It's a business because you want to give the reader something more.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Am I making sense?
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: And I mean, if I wanted... The thing about being an indie as well is if I was doing this...
Speaker: because I wanted to retire from it, then that's a fool's errand.
Speaker: There's no way that I, as an indie author, without the vast pocketbook of a traditional publisher, am gonna make enough doing this in the way that I do it to quit my day job.
Speaker: um right so that's not the reason i'm doing now that's not saying an indie author can't there are indie authors who have um but that's not me um i think you know number one my audience is too niche and i i'm just i'm not i'm afraid if i try to make it
Speaker: my entire work life that the fun will leave.
Speaker: You know, it's the old Hunter Thompson thing.
Speaker: When a young writer is like, I want to write for a living.
Speaker: It's really fun.
Speaker: I'm like, I give him the quote from Thompson's like you writing is a lot like sex.
Speaker: It's only fun for amateurs.
Speaker: You don't hear any old whores giggling.
Speaker: And that's like, it's like when you make your full time gig is like the joy starts draining.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: So I see where you're at.
Speaker: I mean, this is one of the things I was like, wow.
Speaker: And by the way, for those who don't know, and it's a shame if you don't know, not knowing, but...
Speaker: Isaac Thorne could go full time, in my opinion.
Speaker: You could go full time.
Speaker: And this is your old gig and that's it.
Speaker: Because you're writing spectacular.
Speaker: Your imagery is outstanding.
Speaker: The pacing is wonderful.
Speaker: Everything you want to not only teach in a writing class, but things that you can't quite teach.
Speaker: It's repetition.
Speaker: You just kind of have to learn it.
Speaker: You just have to learn it by master crafting it.
Speaker: You're there.
Speaker: You're already there.
Speaker: I appreciate that.
Speaker: I appreciate that.
Speaker: Well, I appreciate you putting out good works.
Speaker: It's a mutual appreciation that way.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: And then not only are you there, but you understand the indie game.
Speaker: You understand what it's like to... I will say... Okay, I'll ask.
Speaker: I'm only going to say, so have you thought about going to a
Speaker: I don't want to use a traditional publishing vernacular, like the external indie, meaning a small publisher.
Speaker: A small press.
Speaker: I have considered it.
Speaker: I have considered it occasionally.
Speaker: But there's also a part of me that actually- Just offload it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And there are times when I desperately want to do that, especially if they're willing to take over stuff like social media, which I'm all over, but oh my God.
Speaker: I don't know how you do it.
Speaker: I have no idea.
Speaker: You're my inspiration for social media.
Speaker: I was like, you got 5.2 billion followers?
Speaker: What?
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Well, Twitter, I was able to build pretty quickly over a couple of years ago.
Speaker: Well, X now, whatever.
Speaker: But I don't think I could do it now.
Speaker: And my other social media, they're not paltry, but they're nowhere near the number of Twitter followers I managed to build.
Speaker: over that time.
Speaker: That's one reason I'm sad to see what's happening to it.
Speaker: Cause I have a feeling I'm eventually going to have to leave.
Speaker: Um, that was the, I evolve my, like Twitter the most as well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's just, it's more and more painful every time I look at it and I'll, I'll have to ask because I see it on your profile is, is your Tik TOK feed as painful as mine?
Speaker: trying to I have attempted to curate my TikTok I have attempted to curate my TikTok feed so that it is mostly like cats you know there you go cats and dogs and particularly talking cats you know I wish I was that smart I was like
Speaker: I was doing old man playing basketball again.
Speaker: That was me.
Speaker: I was like, welcome to Gen X. I'm out of shape.
Speaker: Oh boy, that was horrible.
Speaker: One thing you used to be good at.
Speaker: You're really horrible at now.
Speaker: Mind breathing.
Speaker: That's like two videos, I think.
Speaker: So we are both in the...
Speaker: Yeah, I am there with you.
Speaker: It's the you have to live social media.
Speaker: And God, I know some people who are marvelous at social media and they love social media.
Speaker: They eat it up.
Speaker: I ain't one of them.
Speaker: And I always thought you might be because how hard you see.
Speaker: You look like you're working very hard.
Speaker: I mean, I am, you know, the retweets.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So you're doing that.
Speaker: Yeah, I am.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I don't think my work would have gotten as out there as it is without Twitter in particular.
Speaker: the beginning if facebook i'm bad at um i'd i've never really um never really become enamored of facebook the way some folks have i'm i'm on it rarely um and a lot of that is just you know things i'm copying from from twitter and and just reposting yeah there
Speaker: But I never really found my legs there.
Speaker: Instagram, I'm slightly better at.
Speaker: I like your Instagram because I get to see your world.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I get to see the picture.
Speaker: Oh, that's a very visual.
Speaker: That's where I post my shipping station and my pops.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Honestly, I saw that shipping statement and I'm like, oh, that is it.
Speaker: That's what I have to do.
Speaker: I have to get it off my butt.
Speaker: It's very inspiring.
Speaker: So for your Hellspring, you say you may be doing another convention for Hellspring or we're kind of toward you coming from Hellspring.
Speaker: Yeah, there's a book blog tour coming up in October for Hellspring.
Speaker: And the tour manager that I've been working with for a year, over a year now on this book is just amazing in connecting people.
Speaker: with people and getting people to read it and review it and buy it even.
Speaker: So we're doing another one this October.
Speaker: So you'll probably, hopefully, be seeing Hellspring on some book blogs and much more on your social media feeds.
Speaker: Not that I don't post enough about it already, but...
Speaker: You can always post more.
Speaker: And that's the thing.
Speaker: You are a so kind and generous to us.
Speaker: Haunted MTL is like, it blows me away every time.
Speaker: Like, I'm like, is he just like really just blowing smoke on my ass right now?
Speaker: Or is that like, no, it's like, oh, wow.
Speaker: This is very kind of you.
Speaker: And I see you retreating stuff and listening and just.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I love you guys.
Speaker: I love you guys.
Speaker: And I, and I listened to a lot of podcasts, but, and, and they've come and gone over the years.
Speaker: You know, and I don't stick with, with all of them, but, but you guys I've, I've stuck with, there are some core, you know, other podcasts that I've stuck with.
Speaker: And I, I love your microfiction that you post.
Speaker: on uh the micro fictions but yes the the little instant tweets you know what helps uh especially for longevity of both podcasts on micro fiction liquid iv so if you go liquid i'm kidding i'm not going to drop a plug in the interview liquid iv is like the one time is a legit thing you're not talking about ewoks right now it's like now you're pulling away yeah
Speaker: But this is my point.
Speaker: When you're using social media, even though you see it as part of a job for an author, I agree it is, you're not just pushing book, book, book, book.
Speaker: You're also pushing other people.
Speaker: You're talking.
Speaker: You're engaging.
Speaker: You're watching The Last Drive-In.
Speaker: You're tweeting at this.
Speaker: You're doing the cat video.
Speaker: You're doing this.
Speaker: You're doing this photo.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's engaging.
Speaker: It's not the echo chamber is like, here it is, press play and let it recycle through.
Speaker: You are absolutely engaging with people.
Speaker: I think it's a missing step.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think it's important to do that.
Speaker: And I, well, and I'll tell you, I'll tell you when I first landed on, on Twitter back, I, it's probably 2015, I think was when I started my account on there.
Speaker: One of the first people who followed me and I followed back is, is a guy called the bleeding critic.
Speaker: He wears a clown mask and he does video reviews of movies and books.
Speaker: And one of the things that he always said at the end of his videos was, make sure you...
Speaker: follow and like and engage, you know, with, and he would promote other accounts, you know, saying like, follow, engage with this, this account.
Speaker: It's a cool account.
Speaker: So, so he kind of started me down this road of, uh,
Speaker: of keeping up engagement and actually talking to people and responding to other people and helping them become more visible as well.
Speaker: And I do think it's important to do that.
Speaker: Otherwise, all you're doing is promoting and people are going to ignore that after a time.
Speaker: Yeah, they suss it up pretty quickly, especially nowadays.
Speaker: It's why influencers only go so far.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Once the Botox wears off, it's over, you know, because they didn't build.
Speaker: It sounds mean, but they didn't build an honest like relationship with their followers as a one way, you know.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And this way you build it.
Speaker: And I think we both watched the last drive and I'm pretty sure we've seen each other's tweets on that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that's what they do really well.
Speaker: Like people like that do it really well.
Speaker: You do it amazingly well.
Speaker: And I think it goes off into why people should buy Hellspring.
Speaker: First of all, if you want an autographed copy, there's still some left, right?
Speaker: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker: There's an autograph.
Speaker: If you want an autographed copy of Hellspring, I'm feeling cocky.
Speaker: Hardback.
Speaker: Why not?
Speaker: Why not?
Speaker: Get the hardback out.
Speaker: So I want to see that sucker anyways.
Speaker: If you want an autographed copy of House bringing the hardback, hardback, you can kill someone with this.
Speaker: Probably don't.
Speaker: Please don't.
Speaker: See your lawyer first.
Speaker: Actually, don't see a lawyer.
Speaker: It's illegal to kill anyone.
Speaker: Period.
Speaker: On to the empty deal, it's on us.
Speaker: You go tweet at us.
Speaker: You DM us.
Speaker: You X thread us.
Speaker: I don't even know what Facebook messaging.
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Speaker: You make it known with your address and we will send out one paid to you.
Speaker: That's how it is.
Speaker: Hellspring, the very first four people.
Speaker: I like number four.
Speaker: Kind of weird that way.
Speaker: You get a copy of Hellspring and everybody else, buy it yourself.
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Speaker: Get yourself some Hellspring.
Speaker: It is awesome sauce.
Speaker: And there's even, I'm ultra jealous.
Speaker: There's an audible book.
Speaker: I'm so jealous.
Speaker: You have no idea.
Speaker: Not of Hellspring yet.
Speaker: So I'm not jealous of you yet.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The other books.
Speaker: How's that working for you?
Speaker: The other books are all in audio format.
Speaker: The narrator of the Gordon place is actually hopefully going to be able to do the audio book edition of Hellspring.
Speaker: I wanted I had hoped to be able to get him on it.
Speaker: in time to, to have them both, you know, sort of released around the same time.
Speaker: Unfortunately, he was already overwhelmed, uh, with projects.
Speaker: So it's, it's in his queue and hopefully, hopefully we'll be coming soon.
Speaker: Did you ever think about doing one yourself?
Speaker: doing the reading i i have my i actually have my short stories um in audio for the shorts yeah right yeah they're mostly narrated by me yeah yeah yeah that that's it's always the thing because authors usually can do the best inflections at the same time yeah for a novel that that's a lot yeah that's gonna take some time but that's like
Speaker: I can hear you, Glenn Fondangle.
Speaker: You just hire Matt Berry.
Speaker: There you go.
Speaker: I hear he can do some stuff when he's not being a vampire.
Speaker: So you know what?
Speaker: This has been a wonderful chat.
Speaker: I thank you so much for your time.
Speaker: We actually went over it a little bit.
Speaker: I thank you for your time.
Speaker: And again, if you want Hellspring, first four on us, autograph, hard copies, why not?
Speaker: You do some have hard copy autograph, right?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: First four autographs, our copies.
Speaker: Why not?
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Speaker: No problemo.
Speaker: We'll get them out to quantities last.
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Speaker: Okay.
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Speaker: That's what I'm going to do after this.
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Speaker: absolutely isaac r thorn everywhere that's a very long name isaac r thorn everywhere oh it's isaac r thorn everywhere is that part of it space everywhere space okay i'm like that's an awfully long name go follow them it's it's entertainment it's well worth it and you're going to learn something if if you are a horror fan you have to follow if you're a writer who wants to learn a trade follow them too
Speaker: just follow it.
Speaker: You go learn.
Speaker: I still learn a lot.
Speaker: Honestly, God, I learned a lot from you.
Speaker: So I want to say thank you for that.
Speaker: And thanks for coming.
Speaker: And that's it.
Speaker: Bye everyone.
