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Dr. Catherine Clinton discusses the Quantum Terrain, Materialism, Energetic Body, Fascia, Movement, and more!
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This week we are joined by Dr. Catherine Clinton to discuss some fascinating topics about health! We start with a beautiful discussion about what health means and how it pertains to our relationships.
We discuss the concept of the quantum terrain. The interconnectedness of our environments and our bodies. We snowball into a discussion on the spiritual component of health. This leads us into a discussion on materialism and the fallacies therein. We also discuss the electric component of the body.
Dr. Clinton connects our energetics beautifully to the fascia, and how movement can help supercharge our wellbeing. We go more in-depth into the fascia to finish the conversation.
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Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
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Speaker
Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Beyond Training Podcast. I'm your host, Leo Dalton. Today we have great guest on Dr. Katherine Clinton. Very
The Terrain Paradigm and Dr. Clinton's Perspective
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much looking forward to this episode. We're going to talk about some really cool topics that we've been covering a little bit. Uh, of course, central is the train paradigm, uh, as our entire podcast is, but, uh, I really enjoy Dr. Clinton's take on it. Um,
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with the quantum terrain. And I'm sure we're going to dig more into this today. This is just a topic that fascinates me. And it's so intriguing. It's such an amazing field, I think. And so, yeah, Dr. Catherine Clinton, thank you so much for coming on today.
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Thank you so much for having me. Like we were saying before, recording that we need all these voices. We need to be opening up a new paradigm. And so
Dr. Clinton on Health as Interconnection
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I'm really excited to talk with you today. And please feel free to call me Catherine. Thank you very much. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it as well. So I always start off with the introductory question, what is health? And this is a big question, but I'd like to hear your perspective on
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what your perspectives on what health is, on what it looks like, how it manifests, you know, anything that you want to add to this sort of topic, please share. And this always gives us a great baseline to work off of. So yeah, what is health?
00:01:27
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Yeah, that is a great question. I would say in my perspective that health is really about interconnection. It's really about relationships. And so when I see disease, when I see symptoms with my myself, with my patient base, I am seeing a lack of connection or connection to things that don't really serve us or that we haven't evolved with over millennia. And so
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For
Quantum Biology and Health
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me, it's really about this interconnected web of relationships in the world around us. And what is exciting for me in quantum biology is that it's not just these material relationships, right? It's not just the relationships that we have with our family, their friends, with our community, with the plants, and although those things are incredible, it's really a
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deeper sense of energy relationships, guiding health. And so that's really what I look at when I'm assessing health in anything. I'm looking at how do we restore those relationships? How do we cultivate those connections? And so for me, that's foundational when I'm talking about health.
00:02:47
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Well, what a beautiful answer that was. Uh, I really appreciate that because, you know, the way that you put that and explaining that when we're in a more diseased process, that we're our relationships with things that we haven't evolved with over time, right? Like.
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When we look at symptoms, obviously we don't necessarily demonize symptoms. We see them as a means for our body to achieve this homeostasis and balance, right? These are the corrective measures. And so, you know, when you have these connections to these synthetic things, our bodies have to adapt to that. And it manifests itself as discomfort and disease because it's unnatural and it's not part of our natural relationships, right? With the land and nature and other people.
00:03:37
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Um, so I think that's a beautiful answer. Um, I really liked that. So I did want to ask you about this concept of the quantum terrain. And so maybe I could just give you the floor to take that wherever you want to take it. And yeah,
Educational Background and Critique of Medicine
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just give us the rundown on, on the quantum train, because I think it's such a cool term.
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I love talking about this subject, so you might have to cut me off and redirect me. I think it's so incredible to talk about a different paradigm because when I was in school, so I went to naturopathic medical school. I did five years of
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graduate level, I got my undergraduate degree in philosophy, and I avoided science. Had to go back and do all my pre-meds because I avoided the plague. I was really, really good at avoiding it. So I had to go back and start at Math 95 and do all my pre-med. And so in naturopathic medical school,
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it has a focus that's more natural, but it's the same model as Alliopathic Medical School. It's looking at greener alternatives, right? And it's that chemical model. So if you come in with a disease, I am trained as a naturopathic physician to look for
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greener alternatives, right? Botanical herbal medicines, homeopathic medicines, and we do do a lot of nature cure, but it isn't really the focus. The focus of naturopathic medicine is this chemical model of
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disease and health management. And that's exactly what is the dominant paradigm everywhere we look, right? If you have a symptom, here's a chemical that can fix it. If you have a disease, here's a chemical that can fix it. And we know that that is not the end all be all because it certainly isn't working that well, right? I mean, we can talk about whatever kind of
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symptom category you want to talk about, pain, autoimmune, inflammatory, you know, just down the list, right? Those chemical answers only go so far and only work in a certain percentage. And the reason for that is because there's something happening in life, in our bodies, that's happening at the subatomic level.
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you know, when we're talking about chemical models, we're talking about interactions of molecules and enzymes and things sort of on the macro level. When we're talking about the quantum terrain, we're talking about how these subatomic particles, electrons, protons,
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of light, how these are all impacted by sort of what I term umbrella term as frequency, right? The frequency of light, the frequency of sound, of our thoughts, of electromagnetic frequency, of the quantum field, all these different things are impacting
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the sea of
Energetic Perspectives in Health
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quantum interactions in the body. And that gives rise to what we see on our lab values, on our symptom checklists, all of these things we look at in a doctor's office.
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seem to be driven by this quantum terrain of interactions at the subatomic level. And so I think starting there, even though it's further reduced, it brings in this interconnection. And that's what I was so drawn to is that
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you know, it was always a pet peeve of mine that things in medicine get so reduced. So the cardiologist isn't talking to the immunologist or the endocrinologist. They don't really go outside of their boxes, right? And you're reduced. Yeah. Yeah. You're reduced to a heart or an immune system. And the beautiful thing about the reduction that happens in quantum biology is that those
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categories just slide away and you're looking at the flow of energy and it's absolutely fascinating. Yeah. And I mean, looking at the flow of energy is something that is not new either, right? Like in traditional Chinese medicine and, you know, go back to any more traditional medicinal ways, they're looking at the body as a whole, as an energetic being that they understand that the energy comes
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far before the physical, right? Energy comes before biology. That's a quote we love here. Yeah, thank you for sharing that because far too often you do hear, and I've heard horror stories of people going to the natural path, right? And it's just selling supplements or whatever it is. It's still very allopathic where they're even isolating the symptom, right? And people are being treated as their symptom profiles
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Um, and so with this quantum reduction, wouldn't even necessarily call it a reduction in a way. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like we could probably talk about that a little bit, how it's not necessarily a reduction. Cause I think if anything, it's a little more holistic cause you're considering the energetic component of the body right here. We're not necessarily negating the physical either because we have, we get our inputs through the physical and
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through our senses and through our observation, but we're actually considering the metaphysical beyond this chemical body, right? So to
Ancient Practices and Quantum Biology
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me, it seems a little more holistic. I don't know if you want to share any thoughts on that. Yeah, absolutely. And I would totally echo what you say.
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whenever I talk with people, I teach about this a lot. I post about it a lot. I teach doctors about it a lot. And I always start with this isn't new, right? Like this is quantum biology is like the newest latest research, but it's validating what we've always done is humanity, right? Even in Neolithic times, we can see evidence of humans using
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energy flows to diagnose, to treat things. This is something that we see on every continent across the globe. It's really ubiquitous to how these ancient indigenous cultures looked at medicine and still do, right? And so I'm glad you brought that up because it isn't like, oh, we just discovered this. It's like, no, finally we're coming back to this and the scientific revolution in the 1600s
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and those really impactful 200 years after the 1600s where Robert Hooke found microscopic life.
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underneath a microscope and that became the gold standard. Like what we see under the microscope is where life is happening and anything else we can't validate under a microscope doesn't exist. And finally we're coming back to that. And so when I talk about reduction, I mean simply that it's getting smaller, right? Sure. Yeah. We go from a cell
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to a mitochondria, to the flow of energy in a mitochondria. That's what I'm talking about, the flow of electricity in the body. It's just really literally a reduction in size, but I don't think it's a reduction. I agree with you. It's a much more holistic perspective because at that level, you start to see that we are part of this universal flow of energy.
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at that reduction, so to speak, right? At that quantum terrain where we're looking at these subatomic particles, even below an atom, we see that there aren't these lines, there aren't these boxes. It's really this flow of energy and how we can maintain that energy, how we can support it. And the beautiful thing, I think too, for me,
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and going back to health and the idea of it being relationships is that we start to see this blurring of the self where I don't end at the barriers of my skin. I'm intimately connected with the rhythm of the sun, with the tree outside my window, with everything. And that to me is really also powerful because
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this idea that it's all under a microscope and humans are on top of the pyramid and we are, you know, in the scientific revolution, it was like we are in charge of extracting the truth from nature. That's how we do it. That's science.
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And it's like, wow, now we can have this scientifically validated idea that, and I don't know if this is filmed, but there are, that's meant to be,
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a little sarcastic, that we have this validated way of approaching things that tells us not to do that, tells us that if we're going out and extracting these things, that we're only hurting ourselves, right? It's the relationship that is where this all comes from. I talk a lot about water.
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And water just came on the NASDAQ here in the States a couple of years ago on our stock market as a commodity. And it's like, that's one of the beautiful things about quantum biology. And my perspective is that it teaches us, it shows us that we can't do that. We can't have water be a commodity. It is a living thing.
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making air a commodity, which I'm sure is on the trajectory, right? That's the path that dominant society is going on. Soon, air will be a commodity that we have to buy. It's just absolutely ridiculous. And so this blurring of all those different
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lines and categories and really seeing everything as this inner connection and this much more holistic perspective, like you mentioned, is really, really exciting for me in the research about quantum biology, whether we're talking about, you mentioned our senses, right? Our senses are all quantum biological.
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They're all going through these G couple receptors. They are all, you know, we use melanin for our senses, which is quite quantum biological in nature. I mean, there's so many
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ways we can go because it's such a spider web, but it's, it's interconnection. It's holistic and it's not holistic as like treat the whole person. It's holistic as the whole person is the world is the universe is at all. So we need to tend to it all. Yeah, very well put. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate the examples you brought up there. You know, we've seen
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to have come to these conclusions and you really look at the observations objectively. Even with hearing, we kind of broke this down in my introductory episodes that we have this mechanical model of hearing. But when you get down to the mathematics of it, it disproves the entire model.
00:15:35
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It's impossible for something to vibrate at less than an angstrom in theory, right? And so it all breaks down and same with seeing. And so yeah, our sense is like having this new understanding of how we perceive and understand and shape the world around us is really important. And I love the study of quantum biology. I think it's so insightful. And I think it's one of the greatest things that one of the greatest advances of science, in my opinion, not that
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the current scientific consensus is necessarily caught up. But you know, the way science is structured, that probably won't happen for another 50, 60 years. But who knows? Who knows? We're in a different time. There's always things are always changing. But I really appreciate it because it does confirm, as you mentioned, honoring these natural limits, like going outside more, grounding, spending time in the sunlight, spending time next to a tree with other animals, with
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family with loved ones. Uh, and so really that's, that's my favorite part of it is that it's giving us something to point to saying, here, listen, there is some, there's evidence to show, you know, this is all, this is all good for us. You know, we have to tend to our terrain. We are individuals. We are part of
Metaphysical Beliefs in Health
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the world. We are one with the world. We're not separate from it. And I feel like there's been this disconnection completely. Yeah.
00:17:04
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just with our perspectives on our relationship with the world around us. And that's why I really appreciate your take on health because it's getting back to these relationships, nurturing these relationships that I think that we have lost. We live in a society where it's more atheistic than ever, even though the most popular theology practice nowadays is scientism.
00:17:35
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You know, I think that's problematic. I think that's extremely problematic. Even if, you know, I'm not saying that you have to practice one of the popular religions, but just having a connection with the creator, I think has deep impacts on our health and wellbeing.
00:17:50
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Absolutely. Absolutely. A few years ago, I made a post saying, I'd rather have God in my science than science as my God. It was horribly misinterpreted. I should have thought a little bit more before posting that.
00:18:10
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But it was not an endorsement of a religion. It was it was a condemnation of how scientism has become the religion. Right. And how having the idea that there's a greater force in the world, in the universe is something that we've always had. And again, it was not connected to a certain religion, I think.
00:18:40
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There's beauty in all the religions and and and horrible aspects in most of them, too. Right. But this idea that science is the new religion has really, really become problematic. And it's allowed for what we saw in the pandemic. Right. This like a zealot kind of, well, science says and it's like
00:19:06
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whoa, like, do we understand what science is? It is not a one set of truths, right? It is an action. It is a practice that we do to look at the world around us and to have it be used as this validation of whatever might be validated is
00:19:34
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It's just so backwards. And I think that most of the great scientists in history would understand that and would say, you know, this is ludicrous. I mean, we can go back to Copernicus and Galileo and like, you know, this idea of
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scientific truths rocking conventional wisdom is now kind of flipped on its head, right? It's used to validate whatever people want to validate these days. And so I think it's really important that we remember that, and I even think it goes with quantum biology and quantum physics too, remembering that having this idea of fate
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this idea of connection to something greater in and of itself is healthy, in and of itself is health inducing for us. And you know, I think quantum physics is amazing. I think quantum biology is amazing, but I also think it has holes. And when people get to this point of like, you know, I was just listening to someone talk about mathematically proving consciousness
00:20:48
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into an algorithm that we can input into a computer. And that's when we'll know what consciousness is. And it's like, Oh, geez. Well, you know, we're back to that human hubris again, right? Like maybe we are supposed to just dwell in that magic and that unknown. And of course I love to explore it. Of course I love to research it, but
00:21:12
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The idea that that we will grasp it and be able to reduce it down to something that we can put into a machine is just unfortunate. It's the unfortunate side of the human condition as well. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember back in high school, actually, because, you know, for a while they were like, I grew up and I didn't grow up.
00:21:38
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in an atheistic mindset. But as I learned more about science, what was taught to me in school was this materialistic construct that was sort of ingrained in me over time. Certainly wasn't raised an atheist, but I ended up being that way. I did, I rejected all religion. I thought, you know, I of course had a misconception on the whole debate behind it. But
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I remember watching this really interesting video, and it was called, like, quantum mechanics disproves materialism. And it was largely to do with the double slit experiment, you know, that consciousness in and of itself is a necessary component of the physical reality. But consciousness in and of itself is not physical. So, you know, it's like,
00:22:32
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I just think that's kind of interesting about quantum mechanics. But, you know, when you look back to in science, the separation of science and religion and science and God, like, that's a really new phenomenon. You know, even like Einstein said, the more he learns about science, the closer he gets to God, you know, like you study any scientist philosopher, you know, 100 years ago and before.
00:23:02
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And they'll all include that within their conversation. The metaphysical is a necessary component of the physical. They go hand in hand. So I think it's rather absurd at this point to think that we can minimize all of this to a material. And you could even talk about, if we want to talk about the electrical component of the body, is electricity a material component? Is that a claim that they're making in this sense?
00:23:33
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I don't understand how they would try to prove that sort of phenomenon, maybe because they think that we can observe it empirically. They think it must be some sort of physical aspect of it. But, you know, I think that's sort of ridiculous to claim. Yeah, I mean, it's it gets so tricky because I think as humans, we're so prone to that black and white thinking.
00:24:00
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Yeah, we talk about the metaphysical, we're endorsing a certain religion. And if we're endorsing a certain religion, then we're endorsing all the
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negative ills of that religion, right? Back to that post, that horrid post that I made that just people were like, what? And it's true because there's been so many problems using whatever it is to validate something else, right? Because we can use those to validate things that are absolutely horrible.
00:24:38
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that doesn't necessarily mean that that doesn't exist, just like the scientific method, right? Sure. That was used to invalidate things that we can't see, like the religious
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explanations of health or like the ancient wisdom and their explanations of health and energy flow. But that doesn't mean that looking at things and coming up with truths that we share and we can all agree on isn't a great method, right? That's kind of what community is. And so it's just always this humanity is such a double-edged sword, right? It's like,
Quantum Entanglement and Health Beliefs
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Come on, you know what I'm talking about. But at the same time, there is that other aspect to it. And so I think I was actually talking with a student of one of the Nobel Prize winners who were awarded the Nobel Prize for quantum entanglement.
00:25:40
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And he was very upset with people using quantum entanglement to validate any type of faith or metaphysical thing. And I was really arguing, you know, I don't care as long as they don't do something bad with that faith. I don't care what they're using to validate that quantum entanglement is
00:26:05
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incredible. And there's so many scientists historically who have used quantum physics to validate a metaphysical belief or aspect to our life. And so I think that the
00:26:21
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Yeah, we can do that. And yeah, there are problems with it because we don't stop there as humans. We go on to say, well, that's why this war is valid or this, you know, all of the things that get into the problems with an overriding
00:26:41
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validation of something, right? The same reason, the same qualm we have with scientism today, we would have with a religious validation of some of these things, right? So what a sticky, messy business it is being human. Yeah, well, and at the end of the day, too, I think, you know, the most most important thing when it comes to anything, it's that we have to respect each other's autonomy.
00:27:11
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Right. And that's, that's what's not been done throughout history. It doesn't matter if you're talking about science or religion, right? It's, you know, there needs to be respect for, for the autonomy of the individual. I believe, I think, uh, you know, we're all sovereign beings and, um, and that's how I try to treat other people. You know, I don't try to put other people down for their choices, whether they're completely opposite to mine. It doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't bother me at all. And, and all that.
00:27:41
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You know, I think most people just want that in return. And I feel like that was definitely lost in the, you know, the last four or so years. And so, you know, I've been down a more pessimistic path to through this and thinking like, you know, nobody cares about blah, blah, blah, whatever, what I want to do and stuff, you know, but generally I feel like, you know, things are kind of,
00:28:10
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I think they pushed a little too far. I really think they pushed a little too far and they pushed a little people over the edge. And I feel like generally now it's a little better. I think it's a little better. I think everyone was a little brainwashed there for a while, but I don't know. I think that they pushed the envelope a little too far. Um, you know, but who's to say that can't do that again is whole thing. So right. Um, but anyways, that's, that's kind of my take on it. And, um, yeah, so.
00:28:41
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I'd like to maybe shift the conversation a little bit. Maybe we could talk a little bit about fallacies of the material body. What does that look like? How does that manifest in the body? Maybe you could expand a little bit on the electrical component and how that manifests in the body as well. Maybe I can give you the floor here to talk about that a little bit.
00:29:06
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Yeah, that's a great topic to explore. I think that
00:29:13
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medical schools, whether that is an alliopathic medical school, whether that's a licensed naturopathic school, whether that's an osteopathic medical school, they're all working under this idea that the body's working in this chemical model, right? And so the leading explanation is this alliosteric model, where we have physical components in the body
00:29:42
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floating around and randomly colliding to initiate biological action, whatever that action might be, right? All the actions in the body, all the enzymatic processes, all the function of cilia in the respiratory system or villi in the
00:30:03
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gastrointestinal system, all of these things, whatever biological function we're talking about, starts with this chemical reaction. And that chemical
Biological Processes and Quantum Mechanics
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reaction is coming from this random collision. And when we look at what's happening in the body, we see that we're trillions and trillions of cells. And each one of those cells is completing
00:30:33
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hundreds of thousands of tasks each second. Some scientists estimate it to be in the millions. And for that to be a random collision, a
00:30:48
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a product of chance so routinely and regularly is not at all explained by this random collision model. It just can't be explained that way. And so that's where this sort of quantum biological answer comes into play. And you brought up the electrical component of it.
00:31:16
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that gets into like so many different things, but basically this quantum biological explanation of how the water inside us reacts, how electricity reacts, how sound reacts, how frequency and electromagnetic frequency react provides a much more instantaneous explanation. And really that's where quantum biology really took off. Of course it was theorized by
00:31:46
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the early quantum physicists like Irene Schrodinger and all of the quantum physicists at the turn of the century. But the experiments that really brought it forth in the early 2000s with Greg Engel and Graham Fleming out of the UC Berkeley
00:32:04
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We're looking at how does a photosynthetic cell, they were looking at bacteria, how does that grab a photon of light and get it to the photosynthetic reaction center?
00:32:17
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At near 100% efficiency, how does it do that? I mean, it can't be this, what was termed at the time a meandering, right? The photon meanders through the cell and randomly finds the photosynthetic reaction center. It just mathematically, you can't account for the efficiency and the speed with this random meandering. The photon can't afford to meander.
00:32:45
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It can't afford to get lost with this near 100% efficiency. And that's when they found that the photon superimposes. It takes multiple paths at one time because it is a quantum particle, right? Because it works in the laws of quantum physics.
00:33:04
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and can quantum tunnel, it can quantum superimpose and take multiple paths. And I, for me, the really exciting thing about that research showed that the proteins, the thylakoid proteins in this photosynthetic bacteria in that cell vibrated to create this quantum, they termed a quantum B, but is also termed quantum coherence. This idea that like two tuning forks
00:33:33
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When you strike one, if the other is tuned at the same frequency, it'll pick up that song and both will sing that frequency. The same thing was happening in these proteins. They were vibrating together in a certain frequency to keep that photon on its fastest path. And to me, when I started reading that, I was like, Oh my goodness.
00:33:59
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It's amazing that we're having these quantum effects, right? And that this could be a guiding force in our biology. What's even more exciting to me was that these proteins knew what frequency to work at
00:34:18
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to aid that photon on its path. I mean, it just kind of starts to open up the window to an intelligence that we so often see in living systems and in nature. And to me, it's just, it never ceases to amaze me. It's mind blowing. It's funny you brought that up because I remember learning about that exact thing, the
00:34:48
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Photon being trapped by this, you know, in the, in the chlorophyll of the plant was what we were being taught in first year biology. It's funny, I'm sitting there in the lecture and they have this model up on the screen and within the chlorophyll molecule, there's all these little, these little opponents. They're all, I get the name of a monocyte. I kind of liked that a lot of the plant cell biology part of biology, but they would say that the photon went in.
00:35:18
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and it would bounce off of all these different components of this chlorophyll and it would just go from one to the next and so this one photon would stimulate all of these pretty well instantaneously and it would bounce from them all and then eventually
00:35:37
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They didn't, I don't even think they talked about what happened to the photon. What happened to the photon? Where did that photon go? What happened to it? But you know, that was kind of their materialistic explanation for it was that it went in and I'm sitting there in lecture. I'm going, you know, what was that photon know where to go? How does the photon know to bounce from this one and then to this one and then to this, I'm like, you know, they gotta be joking with us here. Like, you know, how did they,
00:36:04
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How do they even know this, right? How do they know that their model is true? Is this a complete guess or something? But, you know, that's just where my mind went to. And that was even before I, you know, started discovering this kind of way of thinking. So I was always a little speculative.
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Not enough, but at that time I was still questioning little things like that. So it's funny you brought that up because I think that's very interesting and not something I looked into. So maybe I'll have to do a little more research into that because that's just fascinating. And I'm sure there are so many examples of this too, right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think I didn't answer your question about the electrical component of life. Yeah, please. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:36:49
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We can go there too because this idea, just like the example of a photon and photosynthesis and how it gets where it needs to be, this idea that it's random and that we're all here as a random anomaly that just kind of popped up is really
00:37:17
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an interesting divergence when you look at how things are explained through an electrical paradigm of the body, right? When you start to see that electricity and electromagnetic fields are guiding things in life, then that randomness kind of falls away and you understand, oh, no, it's not random. There is an invisible
00:37:45
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guiding intelligence or blueprint that's happening. And we haven't been able to see it for so long. So we've called it random, right? Just like junk DNA. We don't know what that does. It's junk. And so when we're talking about electricity guiding things in life, and when we're talking about
00:38:08
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electromagnetic fields guiding things in life. The research around that is just absolutely incredible.
00:38:17
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So pioneers like Robert O'Becker with the electric body, he was really looking at salamanders, right? And he was looking at how do these salamanders regenerate limbs? And he found that these cells have electromagnetic or electric frequencies that can be used to regrow that limb. So if you
Electromagnetic Fields and Regeneration
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measure the
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conduction and the frequency of a limb and then these poor salamanders amputate that limb, you can regrow that limb using just that electrical frequency, just that electrical
00:39:01
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guidance, right, that information. And, you know, that was a while ago, but the work still continues. Michael Levin has done and continues to do incredible research and he's researching
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again, with salamanders and with frogs. And he's even mapped it out, right? So he's taken cells from like a frog face and found the electrical frequency that they're using. And of course, just like O. Becker has found that you can use that to help those frogs guide regeneration and cell growth and differentiation. But not only that, he's shown the electrical frequencies
00:39:47
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And they look like an actual face of a frog. I mean, it's absolutely incredible. And now we know that because of this incredible research that people are doing, we now know that cells are guided, their behavior, their migration,
00:40:08
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their differentiation. So how a cell becomes an arm or an ear, right? How that seems to be guided in part is these electromagnetic frequencies. And we know that our cells communicate in an electromagnetic frequency. And so whenever we have a moving electrical charge or current,
00:40:31
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we create that electromagnetic field, right? We have that vertical electrical field and that horizontal back and forth perpendicular magnetic field creating that electromagnetic field. And all of our cells do that, our organelles, our organs, everything has this resonant frequency. And it seems to be guiding life, communicating, being used for communication. And these studies are done where
00:41:00
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They're using these quartz containers, which allow for that electromagnetic frequency to penetrate, the quartz does. And then they're using opaque barriers or containers that block those.
00:41:19
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And they can see quite readily that these signals are paramount for life. I mean, we can talk about some of the water research around it too, but there's just ample evidence. It just really isn't a idea anymore. There's ample evidence out there showing that our cells communicate this way. We've got medical devices using electro stimulation to
00:41:49
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help with regeneration, to help with
00:41:53
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wound healing. And so this idea is becoming more and more prominent in mainstream medicine. And it's exciting because it takes us away from that chemical only model, right? And that's important because that chemical only model only takes us so far. And it just dictates a world where so many people don't have answers and
00:42:23
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it's like that junk DNA where so much is like, ah, we don't know how that works. It's not chemical induced. Um, so we're going to throw it aside and we know that life in general is much more robust. There's so much more happening there. Yeah. Yeah. You reminded me like the, the miracle of scientism is the fact that we're here, you know, that's the miracle. It's not,
00:42:52
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You know, they don't rely on the story of Genesis. Well, their story of Genesis, again, is a miracle, the Big Bang, right? It's like, again, a story that we've constructed, the Genesis story, and then just the fact that we're here is another miracle. It's just so funny that a practice that relies so much on statistics ignores the most
00:43:15
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profound, infinitely large statistical anomaly of our existence. Like it is quite literally impossible statistically for this to be occurring randomly. I just think that's kind of funny, but yeah, I think, uh, yeah. Oh, Becker's work is, is amazing with the electricity. And even, you know, I remember in that book, he talked a lot about the electrical component of bones, how they
00:43:43
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conduct an energy as well and how it was this slower paced energy. I don't know if you could speak a little bit more to that, but I just found out so interesting, right? That the healing energy that he found with the salamanders and frogs and
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things of this nature was, it was not the same energy as our nervous system, right? It was sort of a slower, I don't know if you likened it to meridians, but I think I heard somebody say that as well. But anyway, maybe you've seen a little more about that. Wow. Yeah. Um, so I, I would go to the fascia, right? And bones included. So if we were to look at a quartz crystal and if we compressed a quartz crystal,
00:44:29
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it creates an electrical charge and that piezoelectric
Movement, Energy, and Health
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capacity of a quartz crystal, that capacity to be compressed and create that electrical charge is present in our body. And we see that in our bones, we see that in our fashion. The reason I get so excited about the fashion is because it connects to so many different things in the body and we see
00:44:55
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that it creates this electrical charge when compressed and that electrical charge can be used for healing. I mean, if we wanted to really, really simplify it down, we run on a negative charge and we see symptoms, pain, inflammation, disease onset,
00:45:18
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happen when there's an excess of that positive charge. So supporting that negative charge in the body usually is associated with improved health and health benefits. And one of the ways we can do that is tending to that piezoelectric charge in the body, tending to our fascia. And just the simple act of gentle movement, right? It doesn't have to be Olympic style training or
00:45:48
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high intensity interval training, it can just be gentle movement and compression of our body allows for this creation of electrical charge and electrons that can help maintain that negative charge. And we see that with, again, whatever kind of box we want to look at, inflammation or pain or autoimmunity.
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Helen Langovin has done incredible research with fascia and breast cancer in mice, right? And mice, some of that leads us to believe that is possible in humans, but they're much more simplified of a being, right? So it's not 100% the same, but what she found is gentle daily stretching of these mice. And the pictures are pretty cute.
00:46:47
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She actually takes these mice and stretches their their arms. You know, it is. I just imagine the sweet little research room. That's not usually what you find with mice research, right? So she's looking at gentle stretching and she found that, of course, it induces this piezoelectric charge in the body and the fascia.
00:47:15
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but it directly decrease the tumor growth of breast cancer cells in these mice. And that just goes back to this idea of this negative electrical charge in the body and that structured water around our cells that helps sort of insulate and create and hold and capture that negative charge in the body. I mean,
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And we could just go on and on and on about this because I just, oh, here we go, here we go there, because there's so many different examples of it and it's so profound, yet really not yet at all touching mainstream science or doctor's offices, certainly. And so really that's why I really try to, you know, my social media accounts I try to do,
00:48:14
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here's the graphic, here's the song, like any kind of hook to pull you in so that you can talk to your doctor or if you are a doctor, I've had so many doctors reach out for more information because this is paradigm shifting. Yeah. And the thing that's cool about it is this isn't a device. This isn't a go out and have this expensive treatment and
00:48:43
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this expensive this and that. It is move your body, go out in nature, touch a tree, touch the grass, love something, love yourself. I mean, you know, it's like really those sixties, seventies hippies who were onto something, right? I mean, it's just basic things that were so quick to negate.
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But once we see the real power in them, and once we start doing them, you know, when I talk with my patients about it, it's like this checklist like, oh, I go outside in the morning and okay, I move and I, I earth and I ground. But that checklist turns into these relationships where we find safety, we find belonging, we find our real place in the world by tending to those relationships that
00:49:36
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we've completely ignored in modern society. Yeah, absolutely. I'm very well put. I'd like to maybe hear a little bit more about the fascia, honestly, because I just see
Collagen, Structured Water, and Energy Flow
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your eyes light up when you talk about it. So maybe you could just touch on that a little bit more because I think it's fascinating discussion and how
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you know, the structured water component to it, the electrical component, the interconnected component of it. You know, how does the fascia even manifest in the body? How does this connection occur, right? I just think it's so fascinating. So yeah, if you want to share a little bit more about that.
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Yeah, absolutely. I love talking fascia. So fascia, we have many different levels, right? We have fascia superficially in our skin, then we have some a little bit deeper in our skin, and then it connects to our internal organs. It can connect into the cell and the cytoskeleton of the cell.
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And what is fascia? Fascia is mainly mostly made up of connective tissue and connective tissue is made up of mainly mostly collagen. And when we look at collagen, what we see is, you know, down on the quantum level in this nano sized realm.
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we see that collagen creates a triple helix. We're quite familiar with that double helix of the DNA, but the collagen creates this triple helix that is like a tube. In fact, they're called tropocollagen nanotubules, right? Very, very small. But this is the architecture of fascia. And this is creating this body-wide connection within our body.
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and it's connecting to every structure in the body. It's absolutely incredible. When I was in a naturopathic medical school in cadaver lab, it was that useless covering that we would remove, right? It was just structural. There was no use to it. Now we are understanding that it creates this communication network. And so how is that working? Our fascia,
00:51:57
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is liquid crystal in nature. And what does that mean? It means that it's in a mesophase between a liquid and a solid. And just like the liquid crystal technology in our screens, in our computers, in our smartphones, the reason we're able to see each other and have this visual conversation as well right now
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is because our screens utilize liquid crystal technology. The molecules in the screen are aligned as a collective. They're aligned in the same fashion, in the same orientation. And when an electrical stimulus comes in, they shift and there's a back panel of light allowing a different
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a different organization of light to come in, and that's how we get these beautiful pictures, right? And so we're familiar with this in our technology, but a lot of us aren't familiar that this is something that's happening in our body. And what's happening with fascia is it responds to so many different things in the body. It is piezoelectric, right? It is like that quartz crystal. When compressed, it creates an electrical charge.
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And the interesting thing about it is that electrical charge can travel almost instantaneously, right? That excitation can travel almost instantaneously. And the work of Gerald Pollack, and he is the author of, uh, cells, gels and the engines of life, the fourth phase of water. He's a professor.
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and has his own research lab at the University of Washington. He was the first one to identify structured water, right? And structured water lines against our hydrophilic surfaces, like our cell membranes, our DNA, and our fascia, right? And he actually took, well, let me take a step back. So that structured water
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is more viscous in nature. It is oriented and ordered in a different way than the regular H2O in the body. And as this structured water forms, it kicks out a proton and creates what researchers are calling a proton wire or a proton rich zone
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And the separation of charge between this negatively charged water and this positively charged proton zone is enough to create energy. It was enough in his lab, research lab, to light an LED light bulb, certainly enough to facilitate biological action in the body. And he also took a collagen tubule back to the fascia, and he immersed it in water
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And he put infrared energy on it because he found that infrared energy is what builds that structured water. So the bigger you build that zone, the bigger you build that proton zone, the bigger battery you have within your body, right? And so he immersed this collagen tubule.
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put a source of infrared energy there. And what he saw quite immediately is, just like the synthetic materials he had been studying, like Nafion, this collagen tubule is hydrophilic. It allows water to come right up to the surface. It doesn't repel it away like a hydrophobic
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surface would do, right? So this water comes right up to the surface of the collagen. It creates this structured water zone. It does that on the outside of the tubule, but it does it on the inside of the tubule as well. So this collagen tubule is creating the structured water
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battery, so to speak, that negatively charged structured water, that proton zone. And inside
Natural Practices for Health
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the tubule, when that's created, it creates a flow of water, of particles, and of protons. And we know from the research that these protons aren't just flowing with the water. They can jump conduct on the quantum level, meaning that they can jump
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instantaneously, almost instantaneously. And so what he discovered is that these collagen tubules, these fascia tropal collagen tubules, we can assume are working on the same sort of mechanism that he observed in his research lab, where as long as there's a source of infrared energy, there is this conduction of
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physical matter and energetic proton jump conduction throughout the body. And infrared energy is most abundant in our sun, right? But that stretch, right, those little mice stretching really show us that that piezoelectric charge also creates that infrared energy. So you have the system in the body that is creating a battery that can be charged by movement
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And as long as we're moving and hydrated, we have this communication and energy source that isn't being utilized in mainstream medicine. And so the possibilities of this are absolutely incredible. And what's the downside, right? Like what's the downside of assuming that this theory is correct?
00:57:45
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There's ample evidence to point to it, right? What's the downside of it? Well, movement, being outside in nature. I mean, it's not like I'm suggesting that there's an experimental drug that has lots of side effects, but we think it might work. And the theory around it seems to point to it.
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No, we're talking about movement. We're talking about going outside. We're talking about grounding. We're talking about things that the benefits are already there, right? And so it's just this incredible new way of viewing how the body works, where it gets energy from, and what health really means, boiling it down to
00:58:34
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a charge, an electrical charge, a field of electromagnetic frequency and the receiver, right? Because fascia is also acting as a receiver for this information, which is absolutely astonishing when you start to think about it. Yeah, absolutely amazing. I love it. Yeah. And you were mentioning a few principles there of kind of
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Tending your terrain. I love that little statement that you have on your Instagram there. Tending your terrain. Just getting back to the natural rhythms of life. I think it's so amazing. I love your philosophy. I love your approach to all of this. I think it's amazing. Well, you're an amazing mind and you're sharing some amazing information, so I appreciate that. I just want to open up the floor maybe for some final thoughts.
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Anything that you want to share? Anything that you want that you might
Terrain Theory and Health Relationships
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have missed? Well, thank you so much for having me. I really am passionate about the work that I'm doing, the work that you do, the work that so many of us are trying so desperately to get people to understand because
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it is important that we are utilizing all these things. And quantum biology doesn't neglect the chemical aspect of life, right? It adds an understanding that says, well, maybe it isn't random, right? Maybe there are these guiding principles that we can tend to. And that's why I use that so much in my social media presence and in my teachings.
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because our idea of terrain has become so worse. It's really become this idea of what, how do we skew this terrain inside of us for our benefit? And it's like, it's not just our internal terrain. Our terrain is outside of us as well. I started using that expression when a beach in Spain started bleaching
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the beach so that people could return without worries of getting sick from germs and microbes. And this idea that our terrain
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It's so interesting because we have that germ theory, which says germs cause disease. And then we have a terrain theory that says, no, it's, it's our terrain, but they can kind of be the same side or opposite side of the same coin, right? Saying that germs aren't a part of the terrain when they are, they, they are part and parcel.
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of the world we live in. And so tending to our terrain means expanding that scope and expanding that relationship we have, not only internally, but externally. And so I really enjoyed our conversation and thank you for having me on because we need more of this. And I think that the exciting thing is pushing health and healthcare
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in a new direction, not negating what we've found, but finding a different explanation to expand on it and to elevate our level of health and connection in the world around us. Yeah,
Wrap Up and Listener Engagement
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very well put. Yeah, we are germs. We are microbial and we are energetic.
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You know, we're much more than physical, but in a way we are physical as well. We're just not only physical. And I think that's a great parting point there. If you want to take a moment to share with the listener how they can support you and learn from you, like your Instagram or your website, anything like that.
01:02:51
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Sure. I'm Dr. Katherine Clinton everywhere. I didn't get creative with that. I'm Dr. Katherine Clinton on my Instagram and YouTube. I'm Dr. Katherine Clinton on my website and I love sharing this information. And so I have lots of free resources. I have courses, but mostly I just love
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increasing the dialogue around these ideas. And so you can find me there and we can continue the conversation. Yeah. Well, you could certainly hear the passion in your voice and you can see it in your eyes for those watching. I'm sure have caught on to that as well. So I just want to thank you one more time for coming on today. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation as well. So thank you so much. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure. Yeah.
01:03:44
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