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Michele Bolona on Emotional Release, Storing Emotions, Nervous System Flexibility, and More!
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This week, we are joined by Michele Bolona to delve into everything related to emotional release. We begin with a note on fear and its central role in creating our issues, as well as a potential reason for storing emotions in the body.
We discussed the connection of emotions to the body, as well as the connection to the nervous system. Throughout our conversation, we emphasized nervous system flexibility. This led to a discussion on creating safety for ourselves and how holding space can facilitate this process.
We touched on the philosophy of working from the ground up to build a strong foundation. This tied into the themes of redevelopment and reprogramming of both the body and mind. Additionally, we explored the role of movement in processing emotions and its connection to the breath. This discussion also led to exploring ways to induce the sympathetic state to build resilience.
As we neared the end, we specifically addressed Emotional Release, touching on topics such as practitioner burnout, self-care, and even sharing a chat about cats!
We hope you enjoy this episode!
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Introduction & Technical Snags
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of the Entrez podcast. Now this, this is just funny guys. This is just hilarious. Um, this has been a long time. We tried to do this once before. Uh, I think I was in a storm and the internet cut out. Uh, so we lost about.
00:00:20
Speaker
20 minutes of a chat, but we're back now. We're stronger than ever. We had some microphone issues starting up this episode. So, you know, maybe we're both just techno technologically illiterate, but we're doing our best here. We're doing our
Future Health Topics Preview
00:00:35
Speaker
best. Uh, we got a great guest on today. We're going to talk about something that's really, really important in my mind, something that we're going to talk about a lot more in the upcoming episodes as well. Something that I'm going to be definitely integrating into my practice moving forward.
00:00:47
Speaker
Um, and I truly, truly think this is really important. Um, so we're just going to get right into it today. Uh, Michelle, thank you for coming on again. Of course. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here. Yeah, me too. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. Well, we got it now. We got it now.
Michelle's View on Health: Flexibility as Key
00:01:10
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Um, yeah. So we'll start with the question. I'm going to ask you again.
00:01:16
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What is health? What does it mean? How does it look like? And we'll go from there. So initially I had the response that it was energy.
00:01:24
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But I've kind of shifted. I still truly believe that, but I also believe that a great marker of health is flexibility. And I don't just mean in the body, I mean like in the mind, flexibility of spirit and the mind, because what I'm finding and when I work with clients is that so many people are so stuck physically, mentally, emotionally, and it's reflecting in their bodies as rigidity because
00:01:49
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their spirits don't want to evolve and they don't want to shift. And, um, it results in stagnation in the body, which also culminates disease because that's not, you're not flowing.
Stagnation vs. Flexibility in Health
00:02:00
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So when you're not flowing, you're going to acquire more. It's like how cat, I'm going to go off a little tangent here, but how cats don't like to drink stagnant water because that's how you produce the disease and microbes and things like that culminate in the water. Well, us too, as humans, the more stagnant we are,
00:02:18
Speaker
the more stagnation, the more disease and illness culminates. So when we can actually be flexible with our minds and be able to change and like move ideas through us and move emotions and flow, that actually represents in the body and our bodies can flow better and we're not as physically rigid and tense all the time. I feel like that's a true marker because that also affects your energy. You have more energy level when you're in flow. Yeah.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah, funny enough, we talked about this with the Biggleson brothers too. Stagnation was a big topic and they talk a lot about scarring in the body and how you can actually see it in the blood. And they even say things like heavy metals won't accumulate in your body if you don't have the scars to kind of trap them there. So I think that's kind of interesting. The osteopaths talk about stagnation as well, right? Stagnation in the fluids, the cerebral spinal fluid, the blood, the lymph, whatever it may be, mentally.
00:03:15
Speaker
So what you're saying here is you kind of see it all hand in hand. You see like the physical rigidity with the mental rigidity kind of manifests on these different levels at the same time.
Impact of Fear on Health
00:03:25
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Because it's like the more we're fighting life because we're so afraid of evolving and we're so afraid of
00:03:31
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becoming more into who we're supposed to be, that represents in the body because you're fighting, you're trying to control a battle that's not controllable, right? You have to move with the tides instead of resisting, resisting the flow of water. And so the more you resist, the more that actually that rigidity shows up in the body as tension and certain, you know, conditions like fibromyalgia and things like that. The more you're fighting life, the more your body's going to represent that you're at war with yourself.
00:04:02
Speaker
Wow. I love it. Yeah, so cool. You mentioned a fear of evolving. Yes. We're anti-fear here, obviously. Yes. Oh, hell yeah. Really, fear is at the, I think, the basis of so many issues, if not all of them. There's a fear of something.
Emotions as Waves in the Body
00:04:23
Speaker
Yes. Maybe you could speak a little more to that. Yeah.
00:04:29
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I know a Psalm 35 and I know most of my life was spent in fear because I grew up on that programming. So I was always very afraid to evolve and therefore anything that would take me out of my comfort zone and push me to grow was the scariest thing in the world to me because I was so comfortable and safe.
00:04:48
Speaker
being in what was familiar to me and that's when i would get sick like i believe that sickness is just the body's way of keeping us in check to be able to help us grow and evolve like i never demonize sickness because i feel like it's the body actually.
00:05:04
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giving you the tools to push past your edge. Um, I know in my journey specifically, cause every time I've gotten sick in a bigger way than just like a cold or something like that, I know it's my body upgrading me because my mind has, is already light years ahead of my body, but my body's like still like, no, no, no, I'm not ready. Like my physical form is not ready to actually evolve, but my spirit is like, no, we're good. We got this. And
00:05:30
Speaker
So if the body wants to catch up, the body has to release those old programming. So I feel like sickness is just the body detoxing what isn't working for us anymore. So what connection does the body have with emotion and our thoughts and you know, how would you describe that connection there?
00:05:53
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So it's wild. So I just came back from like 10 days in the jungle because I was finishing my neo emotional release training there. And I knew nothing about emotions until I was physically in that environment. Everything I thought emotions were
00:06:08
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it literally was just like mind blowing to me, like what it actually is. And it's not just reactivity to events and situations in your life and you're feeling like crying or reactivity is completely different. That's your, that's your nervous system. Um, it's an ability to handle stressors, but emotion is actually a wave in the body. And when we're actually riding that wave, there's like,
00:06:35
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the initial, and then there's the incline, and then there's the peak, and then there's the descent, and it tapers off. And the whole body rides that wave. You can actually physically see the movement of it in the body if your body is sensitive and open enough. And you can actually see when it's coming up, up, up, up, and then the body's finally tapering down, and you're in this deep state of data and relaxation, because you're actually processing this flow of energy that was stuck in the body and that wants to move through you. So how, for me,
00:07:05
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What I've noticed is that our body has all these pockets of tension in it.
00:07:15
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piece of tension that you have is actually stuck energy, stuck emotion that you have previously not been able to express. So what represents in the body as stagnation. And so when you're actually able to physically go in and feel and allow the body to express that, you actually release all of that rigidity because you're actually allowing the flow of movement and energy. Did I kind of go off on a tangent from your original question?
00:07:44
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Not too bad. No, no, no, that was good. Um, yeah, because it's obvious that it's connected. And I think you, like, I think you explained it well there that it manifests in these knots. And you know, this is something that you even hear, you go to a massage therapist and you know, people carry stress in their neck or, you know, their traps and things like that. That's like a really common one. Um, do you have, is there like a blueprint?
00:08:12
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kind of is there a kind of a blueprint for like, where in the body you're holding tension kind of has certain emotional value, I guess, like, is there certain emotions tied with certain areas in the body? Because I know, as like, especially learning about traditional Chinese medicine, they talk about the liver and anger or the lungs and grief, I believe, and
00:08:35
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Um, so is there kind of a connection like that or is it going to be up to the individual as well? Is there a little individual differences too? I'm sure it might be a little bit of both too, right? But like for sure, like the energy that we store in our organs, it's very similar to TCM where yeah, it's the liver, we store our anger. And when the liver is clogged, we actually can't process anger.
00:08:58
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So then it stays in the body as repression. Yeah, for sure. I always find that there's always grief in the heart and that's where the lungs are. So it's very similar.
00:09:11
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I would also say like they're, I mean, the throat is kind of, that's where we are. We haven't really expressed ourselves. The jaw is usually anger because we haven't expressed our needs. So it's like us clenching all the time to get our needs met, but we're too afraid to actually speak it out. I find a lot of my clients have tight jaws, tight traps, but what I've been finding is a lot of women
00:09:34
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lately that have come on my table have had a lot of stored energy in the womb because it's and it's usually correlated from what I've been observing with like their mother wound and like their relationships to their mothers and like in the lineage they're carrying on a certain kind of belief system and that's representing in this at this like war with your womanhood um there's so many ways it can represent itself but
00:10:00
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I yeah, I truly believe like it's also like the tension that you're holding isn't exactly what what's going to show up in the body when we like when I have sessions with people the body is going to speak for itself and it's not necessarily gonna be where we have the tension like I worked with someone that the other day actually it was yesterday where she had this like
00:10:25
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pulsating in her neck. And she said she always got that. It was a pulsing in her neck. And when she actually was able to follow that energy flow, it related to her inability to speak her needs with her mother, but then where it actually eventually culminated was the womb. So we had this huge energetic wave come through the body that resulted in all of the tension melting off of her body in just one hour.
00:10:50
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All of that tension was gone and she said, holy crap, I can't remember the last time I felt my legs.
00:10:56
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because she had energy stored in her womb that was preventing the flow of energy and life force in her body. It was preventing her access to feeling
Movement for Health & Emotional Balance
00:11:05
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her legs. So then her life force was able to rush into her legs, and then she was actually able to feel full tingling, full blood flow. And when she was walking, she felt like she was walking with new legs for the first time. She was like, I can't believe I can feel my legs. I usually have to make a concerted effort to get in my body every day, and it takes
00:11:23
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a lot of time and presence to get there and now she has her feeling back because all of that stagnation results in you not having access to parts of yourself. You're shut down because energy can't flow there. Sorry, my cat's messing with me here. Oh, I get it. Amazing. Yeah, amazing. So you mentioned like a nervous system connection.
00:11:53
Speaker
The nervous system is more related to the outbursts or the, you know, how do you kind of relate the nervous system? Because something we talked about a couple days or a couple episodes ago with, um, Emerson Goldsworthy, the nervous system. And it's kind of been central in my moving forward here, how the nervous system interacts with the body and how there's a sort of an interface there. So how does that tie into the conversation?
00:12:17
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So in two different ways, I would say I don't like to work on people that have no, actually it's almost impossible to work on people that have no flexibility in their nervous system yet because they're not going to feel safe enough to feel. So I don't like to go in with people to feel emotion. And I'll know right away if someone's willing to go there or not. And usually it's just going to be us focusing on the nervous system. Like I worked, it was the most beautiful session. I worked on this 15 year old boy who
00:12:47
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he had a lot of ways that he was trying to feel that represented in self-harm and all I did was just hold space for him and like just allow him to lay his weight on my hands just holding his head and then his feet and like I saw his nervous system
00:13:07
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basically his whole body was flinching. And usually when that happens, if there's like all this spontaneous flinching that he can't, it's not, he's not doing it. It's not in his control. It's just the body is resetting itself and the nervous system is rewiring that safety is safe. Um, and then you kind of see the fascia unwind from there. You'll see the body just reorganize itself naturally. It's a natural process that happens. And then usually when that happens, feeling is going to come later on. But if you're not safe enough to feel because you're nervous system,
00:13:36
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It doesn't feel comfortable to your nervous system. You don't feel like your emotions are welcome. You probably have no business feeling at that point. It's better to just relax the nervous system first. But then also when we do go through the emotional process and people are allowed to feel or they feel safe enough to be allowed to feel.
00:13:55
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the body will again reorganize itself after. I see clients shaking on my table after having a big expression because the nervous system is finally no longer in contraction. When you're in contraction, your body's more tight and closed and
00:14:13
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feel safer being more like compressed but when you're an expansion the whole body can open up and the nervous system will open up too because it feels safer and the true marker of health really is the nervous system the flexibility of the nervous system because we're not meant to just be in peace all the time and like happy like
00:14:31
Speaker
We're meant to put on intentional strain so that when tough situations do arise, we'll be able to handle them with grace and not let them rock us. When our nervous systems are fried and we don't have that capacity, that's when we get overwhelmed and can't deal with the situation at hand. When our nervous system
Creating Safe Spaces for Healing
00:14:48
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is like,
00:14:49
Speaker
I can't, I can't, it gets in this state of, of freeze and shut down. And when that happens, you, your body will automatically protect you from feeling and it goes numb. So yeah, they do good. They go very much hand in hand. I would never allow someone to come onto my table without assessing their nervous system first. I want to know where they're at at all times. And I won't activate someone who's already activated because I can do these little things, these activations on people to get them to
00:15:16
Speaker
more energy to course through their body, but I'm not going to do it if someone's in a state of dysregulation already, because they're not going to be able to handle the emotion that's going to come through. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a great connection there. And, um, I think you put that really well, you know, the, the nervous system. Yeah. It certainly regulates, um, that, you know, our experience.
00:15:45
Speaker
through the nervous system, right? This experience that, you know, and you can relate it to autonomic or the parasympathetic and sympathetic too, if we're in a stressed out state or, um, not kind of understanding what safety is. I think safety is huge. And like you said, just holding space for somebody can have profound effects, especially initially, but it's something that is kind of held throughout. I feel like the practitioner,
00:16:16
Speaker
relationship, but you know, initially safety is kind of the thing that's taught as the most important. So, um, how do you hold, how do you hold space or somebody? How do you, how do you foster that safety for someone and how can you like foster that in them themselves to try and cause they need to become safe in themselves too, right? Like there's only so much you can kind of do as an external person, right? Like they need to end up feeling safe in their body.
00:16:46
Speaker
Yeah, that's a beautiful question. Thank you for asking that. Well, when I hold space for someone, it's honestly just unconditional presence and witnessing. Sometimes it's all people need and that's all it really takes to get someone to feel
00:17:01
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like their love because when we shut down it's because we're afraid of being seen and we're afraid of being witnessed in our true expression and if you can just hold space for someone like that just to see them without distraction and just witness everything that they're bringing forward to you without judgment that's
00:17:18
Speaker
that's there's healing in that itself and that's why the work works because you're holding unconditional presence and what trauma is defined as is. The lack of an empathetic witness at the time of the event what i'm holding space for is re programming that story so we go back and revisit those.
00:17:37
Speaker
Old memories and old sensations and old feelings but now you have a space holder that helps process and reprocess those memories with you so that now you have a witness that is gonna provide that empathy and that love and that caring that you needed at the time and that witnessing and then in terms of So and honestly like I actually saw this brilliant. I can't remember who it was but he said he has this code with his friend that
00:18:05
Speaker
He basically says, Hey, can I get seven minutes? Cause all you need is seven minutes with someone for the unconditional presence and unconditional witnessing to be able to bring yourself and in your, in your, your time of not being able to hold it all yourself.
00:18:21
Speaker
to that person and it just takes seven minutes to reprogram and repattern that and he has a code word with his friend being like hey you got seven minutes and the friend holds space for him for seven minutes. So you don't even need to hire someone like me like if you have a friend that you love and you trust
00:18:37
Speaker
then you can bring that to someone, but people would hire someone like me when they don't feel comfortable bringing that to a friend or don't have someone to do that with. But then in terms of being able to do that on your own, like work with your nervous system to expand your nervous system, because we're not trying to
00:18:53
Speaker
dull the nervous system. We're not trying to calm ourselves. We're not trying to regulate ourselves. We need our nervous system to be flexible. We need it to be able to handle stress. So we need to heighten it and we need to be able to come down as well. So I'm actually going to be training people so I'm going to have a way more
Building a Resilient Nervous System
00:19:13
Speaker
a bigger breath of knowledge about it but from what from my own journey a lot of my nervous system work has been around like i've been doing a lot of f t tapping you can easily find videos on youtube that basically
00:19:25
Speaker
In the height of your trigger, it's going to give you these prompts and you tap on meridian points in the body and recite different things, which allows you to actually lessen the charge on those triggers that you have. That was very pivotal in my journey was doing EFT. Breathwork is super powerful because it also allows you to
00:19:45
Speaker
come back to the breath and when you have heightened moments you learn like okay well the breath is regulating and it helps me actually get down from this heightened state and I can use the breath to down regulate and then I do believe like even when you're not in a triggered state you should always be working on the flexibility of the nervous system so I've noticed since I've been doing hot yoga which I used to hate hot yoga my nervous system could not take it because it was so hot and it wasn't
00:20:11
Speaker
something like anything that I couldn't control would send me into a tailspin. And now I'm obsessed with it. And I truly acknowledge it as a nervous system practice because I can handle moments of intense heat and strain while doing movement in that environment. And actually, I've noticed that the hand is stressed a lot better in that way. And cold plunges are the same concept. It's the opposite, where you're putting yourself in an intentionally stressful state in order to increase your capacity to take on stress at a later moment.
00:20:40
Speaker
So it's very much about applying intentional stress into the body and obviously strong ends in the same way, et cetera, et cetera. But there's always a step more that we can take it, which is once your nervous system's grounded, it's really important to go through the body and assess the sensations that are present for you and be able to process those sensations into emotions and let them flow through the body. Wow, well put.
00:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, I've been looking a little bit into that the topping I think that's so interesting and I think it's something I want to learn more about I think it's really useful. Yeah, because it's like verdian points are very much traditional Chinese medicine. It makes so much sense Yeah, yeah, yeah and
Traditional vs. Modern Health Practices
00:21:23
Speaker
obviously the breath work and yeah, a little like the hormetic stressors like the saunas and the cold plunges is like, I like that stuff, especially seasonally to like up, like up in Canada, like we kind of just keep swimming all year round. You know, I think there's
00:21:38
Speaker
there's many different benefits to it. There's a lot of, I've seen some push backs on the cold dips and stuff and if you're in a very stressed out state constantly that it may not be the most helpful thing for you and I can certainly level with that. I think that there's obviously different levels to introducing stress as well, right? So it kind of depends on your nervous system, seeing kind of how you are responding
00:22:05
Speaker
two situations. And you know, you can do a little self assessment, you can work with practitioners, of course. But definitely self observation, something we talk about a lot here. And I think that's really important. So kind of knowing where you are, is one is foundational, knowing where you're at, and then understanding how to move from there. So that's so cool. Yeah. And so in creating that safety, too, like, you could probably talk about it in a couple different ways, like, and you were kind of alluding to this here,
00:22:35
Speaker
that at some point you're working backwards through these traumatic events that happen in your life and creating safety in the present now. Although it was stressful in the past, maybe you could explain that maybe a little bit more.
00:22:55
Speaker
Not sure if your audience or I'm sure that you have, but if you haven't, like, you know, they always talk about how time isn't linear, right? Like, and what that means is that we have the ability to go back in time and reprocess events, right? And your body and your mind doesn't actually know the difference if it's happening now or in the past.
00:23:14
Speaker
So when you can go back and reprogram it from a step from a state of now that you have tools to be able to handle it. Your body and your mind are gonna catch up with that and it's gonna actually less than the charge on that because you now put a more pop i don't wanna say positive spin on it but you feel more common grounded.
00:23:33
Speaker
with that sensation to be able to travel with it and process it. So it's reprogramming the time of the event in real time and the body and the mind literally don't know the difference. Like you can literally travel through space in order to get there. Um, but I also wanted to comment, like you made a really good point about the heightened, the heightened sensation. Like when you're at a heightened state, like when you're super distracted, it's not great to do those really.
00:24:00
Speaker
Heart those harder practices like the cold plunge and things like that and you make a really great point about that and you're so right like there are other things that you can do it that are not going to be as detrimental and if you're already in that like really high heated nervous system state it's really great to do softer practices like Feldenkrais is a really good one which is like really really gentle soft movements and a lot of it is rocking and cradling yourself because when you're younger that's how you self suit as a baby and how your parents did it for you hopefully for you
00:24:28
Speaker
And that's how you're taught to self-stute so when you can rock and cradle yourself into safety That's a really great way to move from from making to a calmer state your nervous system instantly relaxes Just like bring that back around because yeah, you were absolutely spot-on about that. Cool Yeah, and I kind of want to parallel that because I think that's really interesting that you're kind of working back to this and
00:24:54
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I'm going to, I'm going to have two little parallel points here. Um, and this is sort of just kind of, I don't know. Tell me what you think after this, but, um, you're kind of taking it back to, to almost growing up again, right? Like you're getting back to these really childlike comfortable states that maybe you missed, right? That could be something that if you missed it or, um,
00:25:19
Speaker
And so I just liken it to the idea that when we talked with Brian Michaelson about movement and he's a big proponent of getting back to the ground and crawling because crawling, we crawled before we walked and walk before we run. So if you're running poorly and you have poor head movement, you know, you have poor spine movement, getting back and training that crawl actually trains the proper spine movement. So you're getting back to that more,
00:25:50
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you know, that primordial almost sense of that infancy of growing up and getting back to the very foundation because you want to build a very strong foundation. And obviously like we're big milk drinkers over here and that would drink a lot of raw milk and I kind of always think of like, I always think truly because
00:26:14
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I think milk is one of the most healing things. You get a great source of raw milk. I think it's one of the most healing things and Agenist talks about this and many people in the primal community talk about it. And I really think it's because it's the first thing that human beings drink and even colostrum is the very first thing that people drink. So having that is just can reset your gut. And we all know that a lot of physical diseases can stem from the gut.
00:26:38
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You know, but getting back to these kind of basics and building this foundation from the bottom up, I think is, you know, I just see these parallels between all of these different kind of methods of healing, which I think is really interesting. I think it speaks to its truthfulness as well. If I think of as above, so below like the alchemical tradition. So, um, which is something that certainly resonates a lot with me.
Learning Emotional Release from Animals
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And so.
00:27:04
Speaker
I'm glad you brought that up. That's amazing. That was a beautiful connection. No, you're completely right. And I love that that's what he starts people off with this crawling. That is so brilliant. That makes so much sense because yeah, you're reprogramming at the time.
00:27:16
Speaker
how you actually learn to develop and move through the world, right? And that's the same with everything else, right? Like whether you were raised by parents who actually did nurture you and care for you, or you weren't, you can always reprogram the initial event in order to bring forward and change the trajectory of your life and move in a different way, physically and emotionally and mentally and spiritually. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:27:42
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Yeah, so I also thought of what you were talking about there. I thought of Rudolf Steiner and his four bodies, like the physical, the astral, the ether body and the ego, the conscious body. And that human beings are the ones with this sort of this consciousness. And however, animals have this emotional body that they can feel emotions. And I know this is obvious because when I look at my dog, I can see when he's
00:28:10
Speaker
He's over the moon happy, and I can see when he wants to go outside. He's sad when it's raining. Even though we go outside every day, even if it's raining, he still gets sad if it rains. It's kind of funny, but the interesting thing about animals is that he feels his emotions, and then he kind of lets them go. He's not holding on to any emotions, I don't think. He shakes them off, and that's something that's also really, really interesting. I think that you should probably talk to him a little bit more.
00:28:38
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That's just one thing that I find very, very interesting. And my osteopath does work with animals. So I'm not going to say that like animals can't get, they can't store emotions. I'm not going to say that because I do, like my osteo does work with animals. And I'm sure a lot of animals do end up storing it. Cause if you really live, if they live in, if they're living a human life, right? Like in houses and these things that are unnatural and they're not eating their natural diets and maybe they're not getting as much love as they would or
00:29:07
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You know, there's a, there's a whole amount of reasons why this could be, but, um, I just think it's interesting that, you know, generally the animals are not holding onto these emotions, but as humans, like we, we can hold onto it and we can go, we, we have the ability to not only hold onto it, but to go back. Right. We're not stuck in this, in this sort of rigid state, the stagnation, right. Where our bodies are meant to flow. We know how to flow. We know how to.
00:29:35
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be in balance, you know, it's all within us. It's all within us. And it's more about just getting back to this, you know, and interventions are helpful, but it's just truly about getting back into this balance and this cohesion of nature.
Energy Movement for Wellbeing
00:29:49
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And, you know, I just think that's interesting. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. I do. You actually sparked something in me that I was talking about with my partner the other day, because we were like,
00:30:01
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I don't always think like, like there's other ways to process emotion and it doesn't have to be like, like, yes, you can go into the body and do all of that stuff. But I've been thinking, I've been giving a lot of thought about this because of my kittens and like my, my, my cats that are like brought up this brilliant point about the reason why your cats are like, you know, sometimes when they cause trouble is because they're not expending energy.
00:30:23
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Like we as humans have always developed from expending energy because you need to actually hunt your food and you need to like gather it and et cetera, et cetera. You're always constantly on the move and you don't have much time to like allow emotions to fester because they're always moving through you, right? And now as a society, we're so stagnant, but you know, people go to these like break rooms to like break things, like rage rooms, I think that they're called. They're like men that work in construction or like doing handyman work.
00:30:52
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They're constantly using their hands and like do like doing harder things to move emotion or I guess they're trying to move the body. They're constantly moving energy through the body as long as you're always moving energy through the body by doing something like screaming or shouting or like beating like pillows up or something just to get that release.
00:31:12
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you're constantly moving energy. It's like you want to overextend yourself. And as a society, we don't overextend our energy because we are so stagnant and we're sitting behind computers all the time. So it's like you're not giving the body a chance to move anything. So I think it's like, like I said, with the shaking, like shaking does the same thing, right? Because you're allowing the body to get movement, the fluidness, like the fluidity in the body.
00:31:42
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making all of that stuff shake up and out. So I really, truly believe all of this stuff works to be able to get things moving. My clients that come into me that are the most numb and desensitized to their emotions, the first thing I make them do is shake because I know that if they don't feel movement,
00:32:04
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in their emotions and in their internal world. Like I have people that'll come on my table and don't feel a thing. They won't feel any sensation. They'll be blocked to everything. And I'm like, get off the table. We're moving.
00:32:14
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That's the first thing I do with them because there's no point in making someone that's already emotionally stagnant and stale, putting them in an environment where they're going to stay that way. I want you moving because I want the energy to be moving up and out of you so that you actually start feeling something. And usually when that happens, they'll start feeling tingling in their body because their life force is starting to come back. So there's definitely a lot of truth to that. Constantly moving and allowing the body to just
00:32:44
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have motion. It's so important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've talked about this too, that like the movement is the actual physical movement. You can relate it to the rest of the body. If you want to get your lymph movement that they have all these rebounders now and all these little gimmicks kind of to get your lymph moving. You just need to move. You just need to move. We're just not moving enough as a society.
00:33:12
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And I think that's one of the main problems that's causing the stagnation because we are just physically becoming stagnant. It seems so obvious when you really think about it because we're so stagnant in our ways. Even with that guy, Brian, we were talking about
00:33:35
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someone's daily life that you get up, you get out of bed and you don't even stand up. You sit on the end of your bed and then you go and sit on the toilet and then you go sit at the table and then you go sit at the work and then you go and come home and you sit and watch TV and you sit in your car and you sit, you know, it's just this constant sitting that we're doing and this is part of the stagnation, right? So movement is fundamental, obviously, getting that energy
Breathwork & Emotional Healing
00:34:03
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moving. We also talked once about how
00:34:06
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It was really interesting when I was asking somebody about health. I can't remember who said it, but they mentioned that having energy levels throughout the day was a good indication of health. That was being tired. Was that you? Yeah, that was our first. Being tired at the end of the day? Was that? Yeah. Yeah. That stuck with me. Because the storm, it canceled it out. Yeah. Cause I talked about energy being a marker of health. Yeah. Yeah. So, and at the end of the day,
00:34:36
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Like that energy sounds so funny. Um, that energy, like to be tired at the end of the day, I think that's a really good thing as well. And I think that you mentioned that as well. Right. So, um, that's naturally down-regulated because you've expended the energy. Yeah. That's stuck with me. That's stuck with me. And I'm glad you brought it back up today. And I'm glad that I brought that up because I felt like that was the last nugget of wisdom, obviously. But, um, it's amazing. Yeah. The entire, at the end of the day, I think that's amazing.
00:35:06
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Um, yeah, my buddy works construction and he like, he gets home from work and he'll cook supper and then he'll go to the gym and you know, he's like, he gets home and he's just so exhausted. And lately, like I've been working a lot just kind of on, on doing this in school and my other work. Um, but at the end of the day, I'm so tired and it's so nice. It feels rewarding at the end of the day to get to bed and like be tired physically and even a little bit mentally. Um,
00:35:36
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I don't know. I think that's a great, something that that's important, right? We need to move more. It's, it's very, very simple. And there's so many different ways to do it too. You mentioned yoga, you mentioned the shaky, you know, there's, there are cute things that you can do. Um, but yeah, that's awesome. I want to talk a little bit about breath work because you mentioned it earlier. How do you tie breath work into this? Um, I don't, so for me,
00:36:03
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I'm not a facilitator in breath work, but I do use the breath in my practice. Personally, I'm a big fan of Kundalini, and that's what I do for my personal practice, and that involves breath, mantra, and movement.
00:36:18
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So when I work with my clients with the breath, it's more so using the breath as a resource to feel your body. I think it's really important, like, because so many people have been numb from their bodies for so long, how can you get someone into their body? And the way that you do that is you
00:36:38
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getting them back into touch and breath and learning what I have this whole thing down here. I just, I'm not just the neck up. Um, but yeah, like when I'm doing the activating touch to people and that's usually when I'm
00:36:51
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pressing on points of tension and vibrating it to get it like the energy flowing into the body. I pair it with a specific breath work that allows them to move the energy through the body with the breath. The breath is a really great way to awaken energy in the body and to move it through. And that's why breath work really does work, but it's not the full piece. There's so much more to it.
00:37:15
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because you have to learn how to process emotion and ride the wave. Um, cause sometimes in breath work, people have the emotion, but they're not really understanding or being like, Hey, space isn't really being held in the same way. Um, but in terms of like my, how I use breath work in my daily life, like I use it to come, like after I work with clients, I need to come back to my own energy and I use it to move energy around in my body and to get some of that heaviness that I might've taken on from clients.
00:37:45
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I need to basically ground my energy and move things
Integrating Yoga for Stress Management
00:37:49
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out of me. And so breath work is like the best way to do it. Kundalini specifically is like, it has my heart forever because I've noticed my frequency become way more into resonance and way higher since you, since using Kundalini as a tool in my, in my daily practice. Are you familiar with Kundalini? A little bit, a little bit. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's amazing. Cause it's, it's, it's like a daily prayer.
00:38:13
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You know, like you're speaking mantras, which the mantras are high vibrational in the first place. So that has a lot of impact on the body. And I actually went to an amazing Kundalini instructor who used TCM and Kundalini. So he would basically combine.
00:38:28
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like do specific breath works for different types of organ or different organs. Um, like he did a blood purification, um, session. And so you actually feel the blood purifying in real time when doing certain practices, it is the coolest thing. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But I like that, that, you know, you don't necessarily have to be doing these patterns as box breathing and things like that. It's just even connecting with your breath and
00:38:55
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That's one of the reasons that I love yoga as well is because you're kind of connecting your breath to your movement, to your body. So it's a very grounding practice I find. Um, I liked the way that you put it earlier about it being a practice for the nervous system too. I think that's really interesting. Um, but yeah, even like we talked about breath work there last week or two weeks ago now and you know,
00:39:21
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even just slowing down your breathing throughout the day, make sure you're breathing through your nose, like these very simple things. You don't need to be practicing like these complex breath work patterns either, right? It's just kind of coming back to the moment. Um, that's one of the ways that I love the breath. Um, the breath is really central even in, in healing. There's a lot of, there's a lot of different ideas out there about how, you know, we consume a lot of nutrients through our breath and how we
00:39:51
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how the, our lungs are one of the most detoxifying organs, how the exhale detox is more organs because it's a direct relation to the blood. Um, so I've heard a lot about that too, which I think is just so interesting. So, um, breathwork is something that, that I love that I press a little bit. Um, but it's just a daily trying almost constant thing as well to just connect back with it.
00:40:15
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better breathing patterns. So I like that. I like that you just use it kind of as a grounding measure. I think that's really, that's really interesting. And I think you can use it to get into sympathetic too. And that's great as well. I think there's different breathworks that serve different purposes. Absolutely. I'm actually gonna be
00:40:33
Speaker
doing like holding yoga classes in Nashville that are yoga for the nervous system. That is like tried and true to my heart. It's like getting people into a state of sympathetic by doing certain yoga postures and maybe a little bit of cardio to get people feeling like they're not in control of their bodies and then down like
00:40:53
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teaching them how to use the breath and stillness to down regulate after a hard stressor workout. So you go from like the two dichotomies of like the stressor, the intentional stress into downregulation and then from there use my emotional release techniques to get people feeling sensation in the body and moving it up and out. So I'm like really excited to bring this to Nashville and like
00:41:15
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maybe eventually i'll do like online classes but i feel like it's so important to use the body as a resource because again when you're expending energy you're not focused on your mind right like you're constantly you're distracting yourself from your mind by being present with your body and then once you're in that state of wanting to decompress and take the load off because you're so stressed from the workout
00:41:37
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That's when you're going to automatically go into theta and that's when you can access your internal experience much easier once you've kind of expended that energy. I think that's the importance of expending energy, right? Is because it gets you out of your mind because you're so tired that now you're focused and you're in your body. Yeah. I think you have a really good perspective on this, honestly. And it's one that I find you don't hear too often anymore.
00:42:03
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There's a use, you know, we have a sympathetic nervous system for a reason and there's a use for it and it's not necessarily bad to use it. No, it's about knowing how to use it and also get back to the rest and have this regulation, right? Knowing how to calm down. That is probably the thing that's more lost than just never using, you know, to never use your sympathetic nervous system, you know,
00:42:35
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I don't know. It just doesn't seem like something that's natural to me. And I'll relate it back to like my dog again here. Like, you know, I was watching him the other day and he's sitting there and he's mouth breathing and he's just like, and like he has perfect teeth, perfect teeth, perfect jaw development. Like he's like a stunning dog. And you know, a lot of people say that, um, like the breath
00:43:02
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like mouth breathing causes this poor facial development now.
00:43:06
Speaker
You know, I'm sure it plays a role. I'm sure there's a role in it, but, um, I think it's definitely more of like a constant stressed out state that's going to cause that rather than using that sympathetic nervous system. Because when you're working out or you're like really pushing yourself, it's natural to want to breathe through your, your mouth because you're getting more oxygen. Now it's about coming down. So I love that you brought that up. That's amazing. It's about knowing how to come down properly.
Neo Emotional Release Therapy
00:43:32
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And I think that'd be a very, very helpful practice, that yoga practice.
00:43:36
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Yeah, that's awesome. You can do like down regulate yourself by learning how to use the breath and how to use the mind to just be, you know, and it shows you that heightened emotions and heightened sensations are not that scary. You have the tools to bring yourself down from a state of dysregulation. Awesome. So I know we've kind of touched on it throughout the whole episode so far, but
00:44:02
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I kind of want to know about emotional release explicitly. Like I want to just give you the floor and learn about what what it is because I don't really know too much about it. And I just want to know your perspective and just what, yeah, how it works, what it is, every neo emotional release, the thing that I do. Yeah, yeah, what you do. Yeah. Okay, cool. So
00:44:23
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Basically and I take clients both in person and online. It's honestly like effective either way But the in-person I use body work It's basically psychosomatic body work is what it is. And what that means is I am bringing someone on to my table and
00:44:40
Speaker
And I'm going to do three different kinds of touch. It's going to be the sensing touch where I'm going to feel where you're storing tension, the activating touch, which is when someone's not in a state of activation, then I'll use it. But if someone's already coming in crying and in a state of dysregulation, I would not use it because it's just going to bring up more in the body that they are not equipped to handle. So activating touch and that's
00:45:08
Speaker
When I was saying how I'm vibrating the tension out of the little pockets in the body to get energy flow moving in the body. And then basically what I'm doing is I'm facilitating the energy flow. I'm going to pay attention to the body and pay attention to the breath.
00:45:23
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and look where energy is getting stuck in the body so that I can help regulate the flow of energy to let it get up and out. So all energy wants to do is find an outlet to release. And if you're holding tension in places and allowing something to get stuck, then the energy can't leave the body and you won't have an actual release. And so I'm basically paying attention to what's going on in the person's experience. So I'm going to be
00:45:48
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Completely present and completely aware of what's happening within you and be able to pick up on. I'm gonna ask questions the entire time like what are you feeling internally what sensations are coming up for you i don't wanna know what's going on like initially i wanna know what's occurring for you in your life during it i want always you to be focused on the body what's in what's internally present for you at the moment.
00:46:11
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because sometimes people will have temperature changes in the body. They'll have tingling, they'll have numbness. They have phantom limbs sometimes. Sometimes it's a pulsating somewhere.
00:46:23
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Anything can show up and then we're just going to follow that flow of energy because usually when a sensation shows up, what that means is it's the body's way of communicating to you that this is something that wants you to look at because it's ready to release. And that's all physical pain really is. It's just the body's way of speaking to you, saying that it's ready to let something go so it gets worse before it gets better.
00:46:45
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Sometimes like what I've noticed like when we focus on one point in the body one energy point and that could be a physical pain Sometimes it'll move somewhere else because the energy is now released out of that area and it's showing you a different location That's ready to go in so it might ping pong throughout the body until it's ready to actually come out and be expressed So one person I know it got really scared because like well now it moved here. Did I did I get like, you know, I
00:47:10
Speaker
didn't something happen to me like that. Now I'm having pain here. Like they'll think it's like not the energy flow. They'll just think that a new thing developed during the session. I'm like, no, that's not what it is. It's just the energy is traveling because it's moving out of the body, but it's finding a pathway in order to move. Um, so we're going to follow that and I'm going to, again, I can use activating touch to get emotion, to travel the body. If someone's not really,
00:47:36
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I would say I only use it on people that I can tell that their nervous system is safe to feel, but just aren't feeling anything right now internally.
00:47:46
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Like if I feel there's a lot of tension, I will try to activate that tension to get it moving. And then I also use gentle touch, which gentle touch I use constantly. And that's just holding parts of you so that I'm basically telling you, you can take the weight off. You don't have to carry it yourself anymore. And my favorite part is holding the head because it's like you're holding a baby, like treat it like it's a baby and just love it and witness it. And, um, and then I'll end the sessions with holding the feet because they tend to feel
00:48:15
Speaker
grounded after after going through something hard, you know, you'll hold the feet because the feet are gonna allow you to like connect with earth and I'm gonna put energy into your feet to allow you just to take a load off and usually you'll feel you'll see twitching in the body and that's just the nervous system recalibrating or it'll shake just without you doing it. It's just a natural natural process of nervous system does but
00:48:40
Speaker
all of the tools that we use, like sometimes I'll use, if someone's in their mind and I can't get them into the body, I might use more hypnosis to basically do like a doorway approach to get them feeling, I wanna know where they're at and I wanna know how far away they are from their heart or whatever we're working through. So I'll try different tactics, like a lot of it's gonna be working with parts and what age were you when this happened and,
00:49:09
Speaker
But having them try not to think about it, having them really just have it come up for them. What age? Can you visualize yourself at that age? Can you hold you at that age? Can you say the words that yourself at that age would have wanted to hear? Speak to him or her. It's a very loving approach and very gentle approach that has profound ripple effects in people's lives. Honestly, it makes me cry sometimes even thinking about the transformations I've seen because
00:49:38
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Yeah, the work really works. And yeah, it's, it's very powerful. And I do feel like though, sure, like for me, I do feel like some pieces can be missing. And that's the people that don't have their nervous system solid, and they require additional nervous system work because they really don't feel safe.
Personal Energy Balance Practices
00:49:56
Speaker
And so I'm getting a new certification called neurosematic intelligence, which is brain based wellness. And that's all about
00:50:04
Speaker
creating a toolkit of practices specific to that client so that they can work through their states of fight, flight, freeze or fawn by using these practices every single day. And a lot of it's about equilibrium in the body and working with like the eardrums, the nostrils and the eyes because we store so much in those, in those orifices that we can reprogram ourselves and get our equilibrium back by working, doing certain tools with movement.
00:50:35
Speaker
I'm excited for that certification. It starts in a week. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. It seems like you're really connecting the dots too there with it all. And it all seems to have this somatic component too, which I think is just, obviously we talked a lot about movement earlier. Like it's all about getting that, that flow, that movement, right? So anyway, exactly. Like it's so important for me, the way is through the body. Mm-hmm.
00:51:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's so cool. I want to ask, um, you know, I'm sure as a practitioner could be a lot working with, with this, it's kind of a known thing like practitioner burnout, um, working with clients and like you tend to take a lot of it on. Is there anything that you kind of do? I know you mentioned hot yoga or you probably practice what you preach a little bit too. Um,
00:51:35
Speaker
but maybe you could just talk a little bit about how you go about that self care, that letting, like leaving it at work almost, you know, like how do you do that to kind of.
00:51:48
Speaker
kind of make sure that your energy is right to be able to come into the next client and work. I think you even mentioned a little breath work there that you do come back to yourself. So maybe you could talk a little bit about that. Yeah. So before I work with clients, I do this certain breath called the breath of God. And that's like a super grounding breath that actually releases DMT into the body. And it only takes like five minutes. Um, or no kiss of God. Sorry. It's called kiss of God. And, um, essentially you're breathing in through the mouth.
00:52:19
Speaker
And then you're like you're sitting cross-legged and you rock the body back and forth So like your body your body's fully going to the ground while you're breathing out and then you breathe back in and then down to the ground and back in I do it three times and then I hold the breath at the end and then I squeeze my What is it called my I guess the perineum I think is what they call it for a man but for me I squeeze my like my Kegel muscle and
00:52:45
Speaker
and then you're letting that energy stay locked in here and then you breathe it out and all of a sudden you just feel like a rush of energy and then you feel like you're back to yourself again and it's really amazing like you feel very grounded after so I always do that before a session and then I'm also like creating like a protective shield around me so that I don't take anything on that's not mine but
00:53:05
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on the off chance that I do like I'm always gonna do grounding breath work like I'm not sometimes I'll do breath of fire to get energy like out of my stomach and that's a very Kundalini inspired breath work but I do I try to do Kundalini a lot
00:53:22
Speaker
That's like my way back to myself and raising my energy again. But for the practical day-to-day when I don't have time to do Kundalini, I just literally lay on a mat, listen to music, don't have my phone by me, no distractions, and I just breathe, and I'm present with what my body wants to say to me. I let my body speak to me, and yoga also is very pivotal for me.
00:53:48
Speaker
Over booked myself this week and I was so tired and so drained because I do I felt like I took a lot on I didn't have enough time for self-care because I I just I wanted to fit a lot of clients in before I travel again So I noticed that I was lagging and then I went to hot yoga yesterday and I was like, holy crap This is medicine. Like I can't neglect this again because I felt in real time my detention melting off my body because it was I was kind of a
00:54:15
Speaker
building tension from clients. It was everything storing in my body. And it released once I was able to come back to movement. It's all about movement, honestly. And just even sitting in Savasana, that was like, incredible. After spending all that energy, I was able to feel into my body sensation that was speaking to me. And that's why I feel like emotional release pairs perfectly with yoga. But anyway, I digress. But yeah, so
Cats & Emotional Regulation
00:54:42
Speaker
Yeah, for me, I have to constantly be moving. I go into nature a lot. I live eight minutes away from a beautiful lake in Nashville. It's a preserved lake. So I try to get there as much as possible. I don't listen to headphones. I just be with nature and let nature
00:54:59
Speaker
speaks to me, listen to the noises, because that's so healing in itself. So I'm a big nature girl sitting with my cats. They're always purring on me, just little things like that. But cats have a built-in frequency. They have a built-in vibration that's meant to heal you. And I think that my cats came into my life at the right time because my healing practice is only growing and growing and growing. And so they're really great for helping me down-regulate. It's like co-regulating with kittens.
00:55:29
Speaker
No, honestly, we got my, we got my cat in, uh, like as soon as the lockdown started. And like, I was fully the opposite of now going into it, not fully, but like, you know, I always questioned it, but, but from the science perspective, it was very much like I was, I was doing biochemistry in life and biology. It was full, you know, I was microbiology oriented. What I learned in university was, was the truth.
00:55:57
Speaker
Um, we got my cat and then, you know, that was a tough time. Honestly, we were living in a little bachelor apartment, like 300 square feet. My fiance and I now she's my fiance and, um, and the cat and it was just this basement, a little grungy apartment downtown. And it was like, it was tough time. It was tough time. Cause I, I obviously had was shifting my consciousness and, um, you know, I felt like this black sheep and, but you know,
00:56:26
Speaker
It was funny, I meditated all the time with my cat, like all the time. And I felt like that was some of the best healing that I got was when I would just sit and my cat would like, every time it was like without fail, if I started meditating, my cat would come and sit on me and start purring. And my cat doesn't do that. Like my cat purrs a lot, but only like when, when he wants food, when we wake up and before we go to bed,
00:56:52
Speaker
And a few times throughout the day, he'll come say hi and he'll just be all cute and stuff. But it's like, without fail, if you meditate, he'll come over to you. It's the most amazing thing, you know? They have this, they have this understanding beyond, I think, what we cannot understand in a way. I think so. That's what I was learning. We're like cats are the spiritual guardians and dogs are like the physical protectors. Yeah. A hundred percent.
00:57:19
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I say that all the time. We say that all the time here. That's so funny you say that. Yeah, because I was not a cat person before I got cats. And then I was like a mushroom, a mushroom ceremony that I went like that. Basically, my cats came to me after a mushroom ceremony. And I was like, Okay, I guess I'm doing this.
00:57:41
Speaker
I, my life changed since getting cats. I did not like cats. And now I'm like, Holy crap. They can't, they, this has come to me at this time in my life in order to teach me a lot like they, I mean, just alone, like the frequency, the purring, the way that they know how to co-regulate with you. And then cats are meditators too. It's wild. Yeah, I agree. Um, there was this.
00:58:10
Speaker
I remember reading about this guy. Now, what was it? But they read about it. Okay. I heard about this guy and he was talking about time. Who was it? It was some famous philosopher, maybe I'm blanking, but he just mentioned that like time spent with cats is not time wasted. Like if you just sit and watch a cat, it's like very interesting experience to just watch a cat, follow it around and see what it does. And I remember like, um,
00:58:41
Speaker
You know, I learned a lot about like fighting from my cat because he's a good fighter. You know, he's good at boxing and he's quick, just like learning the speed and kind of the philosophy behind like fighting, which I think is interesting. Um, he learned a lot from him about that because he's a feisty little guy and he's just like, he'll scrap with you all the time. But, um, you know, I just thought that was kind of funny, but time stuff with cats, not time wasted. Oh, I wish I knew where I, I.
00:59:09
Speaker
I learned that from, but anyways, I couldn't agree more. Like just sit there and watch the cat and watch a cat and just spend time watching the cat. Maybe Jordan Peterson talks about watching the cat. Oh, I don't know. Honestly, I'll, I'm going to be looking into this after. So even the way energy works through cats, it's really interesting. Yeah, definitely. Awesome. Well, what a great way to, I think, wrap up our discussion here.
00:59:37
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talking about cats.
Conclusion & Booking Info
00:59:39
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Do you have any final thoughts, first of all, anything you might have missed or you want to add here? That's a good question. I think what's on my heart to share is that
00:59:56
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A lot of people think that they're inherently broken because of whatever kind of traumas they've been through in their lives and situations that might have left them feeling less than whole. But just know that we're all inherently whole. It's just pieces of us that got fragmented over time and it doesn't mean that we're broken. It just means that
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We need to come into wholeness by allowing all parts of ourselves. We're not coming in to get rid of emotion. We're coming in to make peace and work with our emotion because having fear is not a bad thing. Having fear protects us from things, but it also propels us to move forward. We're supposed to have these emotions. We're just not supposed to let them live within us. We're supposed to work with them and partnership with them.
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And when we can do that and we accept those parts of ourselves, we release shame and we
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have more compassion for ourselves. So I think the beauty of this work is really developing compassion for yourself and that these, lots of you exist for a reason and that you needed them at the time because that was how you felt safe and that was the tool that you created in order to bring yourself into safety. So don't shame yourself for it. You're learning and constantly growing all the time and just acknowledge and witness that that was something that was supposed to help you versus hurt you. And that's, I guess that's
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my last final notes. Beautiful. Beautiful. Very well put. Yeah, I love that. So maybe you could tell a listener how they can support you, how they can learn from you. Yeah. Well, if you're interested in doing a session,
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You can book one, I do virtual and in person, michellebalonia.com, that's M-I-C-H-E-L-E-B-O-L-O-N-A, I almost said Gmail, that was not right, dot com. And then also my Instagram, you can follow me on Instagram. I was gonna be coming out with a membership, but I decided now's not the time, I think now is the time to really just do one-on-ones with people, really fine tune my knowledge on the body and really work
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intimately with people to really discover more about their internal experience and mine. And then eventually I'm going to be coming out with a membership. But yeah, I decided timing wise now's not the time.
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And then if I end up doing online, like if you sign up for my newsletter and I do online yoga classes, like that's something that you guys can have access to for that nervous system yoga with the emotional release component at the end. Um, yeah, so just follow along my journey and then anything that I decided to do, you'll be able to have access to that through the newsletter. I'll always talk about that and I'll always post on my stories. Um, what's new in my world that I'm going to be offering.
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Awesome. Yeah. We'll put the links down below. Uh, Michelle, thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for being so patient with all of the technology that we are so good at. Um, but I really appreciate you coming on. And I appreciate you having me. Absolutely. Yeah. And we'll, we'll definitely do this again in the future. Cause I'm sure we could, we took a whole lot more about this. We could probably talk about all the same topics again and, and come up with new things to talk about. So.
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Yeah. Amazing. Awesome. All right. Now I want to thank you all for listening. You should know this is not medical advice as for your informational purposes only, but remember that we're all responsible sovereign beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, and understanding absolutely anything. We, the people in the greater forces are together, self healers, self-governable, self teachers, and so much more. Please reach out if you have any questions, criticism, comments, concerns, whatever it may be, you know where to find me. Um, if you like this podcast or this,
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If you're watching on YouTube, give us a like, share, comment, review, whatever you got to do on your platform to help, help us grow and get the word out more. And, um, yeah, I'd really appreciate that. We also got a link down below. If you guys want to donate to the vision, that'd be much appreciated, not necessary, but, uh, definitely want to put more of my time into this because I'm, I'm loving this. This is, this is what I'm meant to do, I believe. So I really want to spend more and more time doing this. Um, but yeah.
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I appreciate you guys for checking it out. And just remember, there's two types of people in this world, those who believe they can, those who believe they can't, and they are both correct. Alright guys, thanks for listening. Take care.