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TSP Ep 116: Discussing How to Keep on Keep on or Lazy Losers Lick Lollipops
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In This Episode, Tom and Steve are joined by special guest Alex "Probably" Duarte to discuss when a project is a go for preproduction, how to navigate personalities as a director, and the struggle of filmmaking while supporting a life.
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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Introducing Twin Shadows Podcast and Special Guest Alex
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Speaker
remember exactly what you wrote exactly it is exactly to the word so word to the word welcome everyone this is twin shadows podcast this is episode 116 you know what let me take that back because only losers say and for hundreds and is four decibels um
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Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Twin Shadows podcast, this episode 116. You don't say and? You're not supposed to say and. And takes a decibel. Decibel. So you'd say like 10,100, 336, and then and 16 cents. What about like one trillion? There's no and in there so I can know when you're fucking almost done? No. Really? No.
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That's stupid. I didn't make math. That's a good point. I don't even know if I'm right. If I am wrong, go ahead and leave a message. And since I know no one listens to this, except for Alex, who's actually here on the episode. And he's here, so damn, no one's going to listen. Karen will figure it out. OK, so this episode is titled Lazy Losers, Lick Lollipops.
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And we have a very special guest. You may have heard him belching and talking on the corner over there. We have Alex Duarte on the show.
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He's the P in TSP. That's right. Tom, Steven, and probably Alex. There you go. And so introductions. So, Steven, oh, wait, I'm supposed to do something else. What was it? Oh, yeah. The Twin Childs podcast, the podcast about film filmmaking and filmmakers hosted by.
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the two, uh, coolest dudes, whoever, uh, had no friends and, uh, except for Alex, Tom and Steve. And I'm here. Hey buddy, how you doing? I'm good. Alex, how you doing? Doing all right. I think we've all had a lot, uh, maybe possibly to, uh, consume. Oh yeah. We were just, we just got done with that production meeting, which means that we got extremely fucked up. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how those two go hand in hand with our work, huh?
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Speaker
We're true Japanese businessmen, where we just get drunk and we actually got some, I think it was, it's a good bonding experience. I think we meshed. We got a lot done. We meshed pretty well with the people we met. We met with some of Alex's friends, Anthony and DJ, who will be future guests on the show, talking about working on Mr. Rico. Uncle Rico. Uncle Rico. Still need to talk about that tomorrow.
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Speaker
So Alex, how you been? There's been some big life changes in
Career Changes and Filmmaking Goals
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your life. Did you want to talk about any of that?
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Yeah, you know, like moving back to SoCal. So, you know, big change for when it comes to location and career change as well. I say goodbye to Elon, you know, and that's pretty much it. You know, I had a really weird interaction with someone about Elon Musk just yesterday. I was setting up an internet for a job site trailer.
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And the PM walks out and she says, Tom, you know what? I really love Elon Musk. Like he's so successful and handsome and dashing. And I just think, I was just sitting there thinking,
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How do I respond? I was like, I'm just gonna just kind of nod. And she's like, what do you think about the war in Ukraine? Okay. All right. It's a, you know, war's bad. And she was like, yeah, war is bad. But I think Elon could just win the war for whoever wants, for whoever he wants to win. What do you think? The internet's working. She's like, he's so handsome, isn't he?
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Hey, sure. Hey, that's what I leave. That's just most of the engineers. And I just was just like, yeah, I guess it would be. I mean, in reality, I'm just like, I don't really like Elon Musk that much as a person. I think he's like a human troll. Like, but, you know, that's me. Uh, Steven, how you been, buddy? That's my anecdote about Elon Musk. Yeah, I've been good, man. Yeah.
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Speaker
I should say, everyone's a little fucked up on this episode, so don't worry, I'll try to keep everything in line. I wrote a lot of notes, so I've been writing a lot of notes lately, I don't know. We'll see.
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Oh, I wanted to ask what's everyone's like filmmaking goals for the rest of the year. We've kind of gotten through a lot this year. We're in September. September is blown by. It's almost October already, which is kind of fucking wild. So we're in the last later half of the year, the final quarter of the year.
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Speaker
That's everyone's filmmaking and podcasting goals so far. Steven, you want to, you wrote, you said you remembered everything you wrote. Yeah, I wrote this in my notes too. I answered this expertly. So what I wrote down was, um, you know, finish the edit on Dickhead. I don't think necessarily get to picture lock. Cause that's after another revision and everything. And also putting that temp audio track.
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So maybe we'll get there, but if we just at least get the solid cut we're getting now done, cause it is looking much better. Yeah. It's worth the time and effort, you know, cause we are working on it, although slower than we should. So.
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Speaker
Finishing that and the podcast, Alex to actually listen to a full episode. I've listened to multiple full episodes. Oh my God. I feel bad a little bit, don't you? It's like shit. This might be kind of touching for you guys, but with me when living so far away,
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I was just like, there was times where I was like, you know what? I kind of want to hang out with Steven and Tom. Wow. And then I would just like, as weird as it might sound, some of the times I was listening to podcasts, it was like, let me chill with my friends for a little bit. Wow, that's always. Did you actually ever message us?
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And when he's actually here, he's like, I'm a little too busy. It's like, it's like jerking out the porn, you know, I just I just need a little, you know, whack of like, yeah. Well, I will say, dude, that is very touching. No, thank you. And any time you give us and I do feel.
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Do you have any goals filmmaking goals for the rest of the year? Yeah, I do have like one main thing would be to try to get the ball rolling again for the the slaughter project, which I know is going to be really hard because I haven't updated anything recently in that group. Actually, my next steps within that group, I was going to tell everybody, like, hey,
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Sorry that it's been, you know, dead lately. Uh, but if you want nothing to do with this, go ahead, fucking... skip. And I actually wouldn't mind that because I feel like...
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I need more dedicated people within that crew. If you are in that crew and you're listening to this, I'm not saying like, you know, those people have like lagged or like, you know what I mean? Like they screwed me over in any way. It was kind of like just life the way it fell into place. And I just don't want to waste anybody else's time, vice versa. You know, I want to continue to get that project going and speed it up.
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And I think that'd probably be the best way. You know, that's one that's one big goal. Yeah. Well, I think you being honest with them and be like, hey, this is what it is. Yeah. But I still want to keep working on it if you're on board. You know, it's a good way to figure out, you know, who's still attached to it. Absolutely. And that's fair. Right. That way they can know like, yeah, bro.
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I'm good. Fuck you. Yeah. And just like you say, I'm this is podcast. I'm going to text Steve, tell him, hey, buddy, how's life? Are you happy? Are you out there?
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I could tell just the tone of your voice, the tone I could tell, you know? Oh fuck, I didn't read any of that. Don't you miss me, buddy? I always miss you. I read any of the articles. I read them. Don't worry. And I remember them verbatim. Oh, right. I know I looked at them, but I don't remember reading them.
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For myself, I'll reiterate with sequence saying I would like to have picture locked by like New Year's I think that is possible especially if we can get Get the screeners out for the like beta testers essentially and then get that back I Think it's which we're hoping you'll be too. Yeah, like those people that really watched and then I
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So kind of like our steps right now give us a super honest even and I are pretty close to like being kind of complete with the cut that we're currently working on. And then we want to send out copies of that cut to like friends and I think we need to make a friend body cut though first on you because I play so well with the.
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Yeah, the temp music, right? Yeah, but but I don't think that's actually I think the hardest part is actually just like Getting the scenes like where we want them and then I think we're very close, dude Yeah, and then filling in the audio like you're pretty good at it and you're pretty fast. What when I'm good is the garage scene. I
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Well, it's pretty good, dude. So that's the scene you were working on separately, right? Yeah. And you feel like it's good. I think it's good. And also the garage massacre, I think, is better than it's ever been. It's actually become one of my favorite scenes, which I never thought would have ever been possible with how we had worked on it, but I think we've kind of fixed it.
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in a way that I, like I said, I never had anticipated. It was kind of at a point where we were really like almost going to just roshambo if we're going to cut it forever. Like just literally just eliminated from the movie, which would have been hugely detrimental. But we pulled up our, you know, as those stupid fucking Republicans, like they say, we pulled ourselves up by bootstraps. We fucking figured it out.
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I'm talking about dumbasses. Hayao Miyazaki. I'm kidding. I'm
Film Industry Insights: Influences, Age, and Strikes
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kidding. He's a fucking master. So Hayao Miyazaki's last movie, The Boy and the Heron, is coming out soon. He has retired a few times now. So this will be for both of you. What are your guys' connections with Miyazaki and the Ghibli films? And what do you think about his retirement as a filmmaker? I was like, I'll fuck it up.
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Yeah man, I'm a little older than Miyazaki so I think for me it doesn't probably resonate as much as the younger people here. Like you buddy, you youthful little soul. That's fair.
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Um, what was the question? Oh, what is your connection with Miyazaki in his films? Oh yeah, he's fucking great. And then what do you think of, uh, what do you think about retirement as a filmmaker? Well, let me ask you, cause this I think will tell you how you like him to an extent.
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Do you remember your first Miyazaki film? Absolutely. What was it? My neighbor Totoro. We rented it from a video store. Classic. I was probably like five or six. It was like 1992 or something. He's classic of him. It's from the same time I watched my first porno. Yeah, you know yours? Your first porno? My first porno? God damn. That's a tough one.
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I think I know mine. There's probably a hentai like La Blue Girl or something. No, it was like Cinderella from the...
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from the, like, 80s. Tracy Lors was in it. Does softcore count? Yeah. HBO, like, what is it, Skinemax? Skinemax. Misty Monday? No. I think Skinemax. No, there's a difference, because if you see that versus that, it's like, that's true. Holy shit, that's... Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's way intense. Like, right, like, as a kid, you're just like, oh, my God. Miyazaki's listening to this, like... Oh, fuck God.
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Uh, this is why I'm retiring. This is who loves my work, Miyazaki-san. So what was your first Miyazaki movie, Alex? Was it the one with Tracy Lourdes or was it the one with Sasha Gray? Oh, yeah.
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I'm trying to keep things on track. God damn. Rails are miles away. You're probably going to lose all your, the wee audiences right now. But I could definitely say I've never watched any of his films. Or is he responsible for studio? Yes. What is it? Ghibli. Ghibli. What's Ghibli? Is that just pronunciation? I almost said Ghibli.
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That's what I thought it was called. Sure. What's Ghibli and what's Ghibli? I don't know. Ghibli, Ghibli. You don't know, huh? Of course you don't. No, man. Well, you know what? You have a little bit of an advantage.
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What's my advantage? Just say, wait a minute. Just because he's old? No, no. He's had more years than you. No. I've just never been into anime, to be honest. No, that's fair. That's fair. But I bet you've seen his film and you don't know. Probably. Because one of my favorites was...
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Well, the first, my first was Kiki's delivery service. That's a good one. And that was like the breakthrough one. Cause they were like, holy shit, we're having Hollywood actors in these cartoons. And then after that, they started to really get like bigger and bigger names, you know? And did you ever see the Liam Neeson one? Yeah, Nachika. Fucking sucked. No, not Nachika. That was Nemo or something. Oh, Finding Nemo.
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Oh, Ponyo. Ponyo, there you go. Yeah, I've seen Ponyo. I couldn't get through Ponyo. I've seen all of them, all of his movies, even the ones that aren't Ghibli. Like, I've seen Castle of Calla League of Stro or whatever from Lupin III. Oh, yeah. That was his first feature film. I've seen some of his TV shows he animated. I liked his first Lupin. Not Detective Conan, Future Boy Conan or whatever. But then watching it a second time as well.
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It's pretty good. I like it, though. Does he own Studio Ghibli? He does, right? It's all about ownership with you, isn't it? I'm just kidding. You hang out with Elod and he's all about ownership. Just gotta make sure where the money's at. That was only the first part of the question. Second part is Martin Scorsese keeps saying he has stories to tell, but fears he may be too old to do so.
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Um, do you think there's like an age where you're like, I can't do this anymore? Or is it like mental facilities and physical ability? You know, that's funny. You mentioned that because I looked at it the opposite way where it's like, you just know you're getting older. So like you're going to die regardless. Yeah. And so you have so many stories to still tell.
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so you'll never finish. What was the question? It made sense in my head. Martin Scorsese keeps saying he has stories to tell, but he fears he may be too old to do so. Yeah, like you'll just never live long enough to tell the stories in your head.
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Right? Cause don't you feel like there's so many good stories that you scrap that were like fun and you enjoyed them, but it was like, yeah, this still kind of sucks. So let's not develop it up too much further. I'm going to be dead soon anyway. So I ain't too worried about it. Alex, you like, you see one of those movies maybe? No. Oh Jesus Christ. Never seen Goodfellas. Look. Taxi Driver. Waffle Wall Street. You've seen that. Yes. Yes. I'm fucking kidding. I'm fucking kidding. Okay.
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I do, I feel like it depends on like what your approach is. I think there are definitely stories that you're probably too old to direct, you know? He might want to look into that for sure, but I mean, maybe like writing, you know, you kind of like- Writing Tracy Lords maybe. Yeah. I was thinking of Scorsese doing Saving Private Ryan, like you said, he's too old. He's like, oh, you got to run up the hill! Just running behind him like, ah!
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Why is this scene so slow-mo, Marty? What do you mean, slow-mo? It's as fast as I can go. Can't you hear my heartbeat? Sorry, Alex, what were you saying? It's okay. Yeah, I just feel like, I mean,
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Like his role just probably could change, you know, not be like, you know, full on director. I mean, I could only imagine it's going to wear on you a lot more. Do you think? Yeah, that's what it's like getting old. I mean, fuck, man. Like people struggle just like I. All right. I've talked to people where I was like, oh, like what would you do on your day off? And they're like, well, I just like slept because I needed the rest to catch up. I'm like.
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all day. They're like, you know, it's like, uh, it's like, I usually try to at least see like how much I could do, whether it's like productive or just fucking doing stupid shit. But like, let me do as much as I can on my day off. And so if you think about that and they're like people who are like in their late twenties.
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That's why they're lazy losers that lick lollipops. Right. That's that's very true. And, you know, so and compare that to being Scorsese, you know, like I mean, I wouldn't blame him for trying to like take a step back. I would love to see like what other stories he has, but maybe, you know, to continue directing, like once you start becoming heavy senile and
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Wait, can I ask this? Has anyone here actually read the fucking article and what he's really referring to? No. Oh, me either. Wait, what article? There's no article.
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There's an article. Yeah, there was. I just read it. It was just a little snippet from the article. Like, he's interviewed, right? Yeah, and he actually talks about a lot of interesting stuff. I just, it might come about how... The muscle relationship. Yeah. But don't, I mean, don't get me wrong. Like, no matter how old he is, obviously, if he said, hey,
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Speaker
You want to be a part of this crew, I got this story. He could be Uncle Rico. I mean, could you imagine? Scorsese? No, I don't want to be responsible for killing him. Holy shit, we're gonna fucking kill him. Run, Uncle Rico. Just like the dance moves that I'm expecting. Oh, you're really gonna make him dance. You think Scorsese can dig a hole? Dude. Dance, Rico. Come on, dance.
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He couldn't even get Leo an Oscar. You think he could dig a hole? Well, fuck.
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All right, so next article. Beetlejuice 2, another film in the endless destruction of the nostalgic soul. We can't discuss this. There's an article, but I didn't read it. All right, did you read it? Did I read the article? Of course I did. What the fuck? We can't discuss. I want you guys to discuss, well, I'll pee and then I'll tell you what the article actually says. You know what? You can't do that.
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I have to pee. So Alex, are you a Tim Burton fan? Do you like Beetlejuice? Are you interested in Beetlejuice too? I do like Beetlejuice. Interested in Beetlejuice too. Yeah, I'm open to that. I think... You don't think they're just playing in on like the Endless remakes and...
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sequels. Well, we're talking about. Hmm. Hmm. I mean, that's kind of like the thing about like a film like that. I think you like when you draw that like a cult cult following, you always get worried. I don't know how like it depends on the production company, right? But I would be worried about like, man, are we just going to stab everybody in the back by
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Making a shitty ass movie that you know, you know that um, it's like, all right We're just making it to make at this point or let's make it to make a lot of money. Hope yeah. Yeah, exactly Which it's kind of scary, but I mean it is Tim Burton is Michael Keaton, right? I haven't I haven't seen the casting or anything about it. Um
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I'm willing to trust that idea. Have you ever felt a sequel or a film in a franchise has ruined a franchise or the original film? Yes. Do you have an example you can think of? Like a Scream 6 ruining Scream or something?
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I would definitely one one of them I would use I would say would be oh for sure strangers to that that was I I mean it didn't ruin the original for me
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But I mean, you could tell that there's so much of that crew did not work on the second one. But man, it was it was just disgusting where I'm like, I would protest. I would fuck it. Even if I was the only person I would protest that they tried making a third one. Well, I think the original Stranger's remake from a French film. OK.
00:23:37
Speaker
Uh, if I remember correctly, uh, called like them, I believe like, yes, it is. I've seen it. Yeah. And, um, I watched it with, uh, my brother's, uh, where they attack the house. Um, and so that's a remake of a already a remake, but.
00:23:56
Speaker
Strangers, I never even saw the second one. I didn't see the American remake, but This is a name we never knew American remake Naomi Watts, right? That's the Naomi Watts one or is that funny games? Then I because that's also live Tyler's in it, right live Tyler Okay Cuz I was thinking me. I think maybe I was thinking of funny games, but strangers is a remake called lay them
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I'm kidding. It's not lay them. I don't know what the fuck.
00:24:32
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So, strangers, strangers. So, what I asked Alex, and you can maybe jump in on this too, Steven. I asked her... What if she'd love to hear those words yelled at you, right? Oh, no. Okay, okay. So, I asked Alex about Beetlejuice 2, but specifically I asked, has there ever been a sequel or remake of a film that ruined the original for you? No. There's tons of great remakes.
00:25:01
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every franchise no there's gonna be winner there's gonna be you know so none so like no movies like it's like ruin the franchise well well hold on any movie with a sequel that's then subsequently over time ruined a franchise yeah oh can I let me ask this though like yours you're saying
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Speaker
Like, that it ruined the original, though? Yes. That's tough. Ruined the original? No. In that case, I'll take the Strangers one back, because... The original's still good, even though the second one sucks. Yeah. That's probably pretty fair, but... That's true for all of us. That's why a franchise becomes a franchise. That's a very tough thing to answer. Because the original's so fucking great, you got, like, Star Trek... or Star Trek. You got Star Wars, you got, uh...
00:25:49
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The Godfather. It was just a question. It wasn't a fucking, you know, goddamn trick question. Why you try to trick us, bro? That's a tough question. Hey, Beeljuice, are you excited for Beeljuice 2? Let me hear your answer. Were you for it or against it? Beeljuice 2? Yeah. I don't... I don't care. But I'm not gonna watch it, so it doesn't matter. Okay, so we'll say you're against it. I'm against it. Saying I don't care would be about the same. Okay, well, you guys didn't read the article.
00:26:16
Speaker
Oh, the article was about how they had two days from finishing production, but they had to shut down because of strikes. And I wanted to know... Oh, are we going to talk about strikes right now, bro? Because I was just trying to talk about Tim Burton. Go ahead and talk about Tim Burton. I'll hold on. Wait, are we going to talk about strikes? Because we learned a lot about him, so I think we're pretty well versed. No, let's do it. Oh, shit. I'm kidding. We can skip everything.
00:26:45
Speaker
No, Tim Burton, tell us about Tim Burton. Okay, Tim Burton. So, yeah, so they had it canceled. He said he's like 99% done because of the strikes, which really sucks, right? Cause they're filming is suspended indefinitely. And those are probably pretty scary words to hear. I hate that word indefinitely.
00:27:10
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I don't even, I didn't even know it was a word for the longest. I thought, did you mean infinity? Because it's like, it's like, uh, it's like infinity, right? It's like a nonsense word. It is. It definitely means until it's not a thing again, right? Or whatever. And it's like, God, that's so,
00:27:35
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Like, can't you just say like, uh, we can't film for six months or it's like, no, we just can't film until we can film. Yeah. Well, I guess he's trying to get some buzz to on it. So it's like, Hey, you know, we're 99% done. Just let us film a couple more days. Yeah. But the strikes, man, they shut it. They've been shutting everything down, but everyone wants to keep, you know, keep going with the strikes. No, no. With the film productions.
00:28:06
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You think so? I mean, that's what the next topic's about, but maybe we should skip it a bit. But talk about Tim Burton and Beetlejuice. Do you like Beetlejuice? Yeah, I do, actually. I used to watch a lot as a kid. I think it's a really good movie. I think it was at a time when Tim Burton was like pretty like hot topic Tim Burton.
00:28:36
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Yeah, before he like because I don't want to say he like sold out, but like he he definitely sniffed his own shit and didn't think it's stuck. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That movie comes from the era of Tim Burton of why he became. Yes, you think you think it was like at that time, it's because he was still hungry. No, or he he was trying to prove something. I mean, Tim Burton's one of the most
00:29:04
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Iconic directors, right? Like of directors, you know, if there's a director you've heard of, it's probably Tim Burton in some context, you know, you don't even have to know, you don't even have to like film to know that name. Yeah. Well, I think Tim Burton is interesting because he started making movies in a time when filmmakers like weren't really allowed to truly be like super stylized because he predates like the nineties filmmaking, right? Cause you got, um,
00:29:34
Speaker
What's the bitch with the fingers? Oh, Edward Scissorhands. You got Edward Scissorhands. That was 80s? I think that's like 89. No, because Batman was 89, so it's definitely before, so it's earlier. And then you got Edward Scissorhands before Batman? Yes. Is it really? Yes, it's his first movie. Edward Scissorhands is his first movie? His first feature. No shit. Yeah. Damn. Okay, well, no wonder why he was so fucking huge.
00:30:03
Speaker
Really? That was his first feature. I would like to know. I never knew that. I would like to know what each movie was shot on because the quality in Edward Scissorhands is fucking amazing. Way better than fucking Batman. You think so? Yeah. Oh, wait, Batman was first. Okay. Fucking God dang. Fucking lie. One year apart, I'm sorry.
00:30:30
Speaker
But both, while still, for Batman to be your achievement. Yeah. I mean, how fucking cool is Batman? It has the most iconic Batman song. Yeah. And I'm like, God damn, get to the point. Well, I think they're both coming from the same place in the sense that
00:30:50
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like you stated earlier, when all of the strikes came, buddy, the first thing you said was what about all of the below the line or our crew? What's gonna happen to all those people? And you were like, they're gonna be without a job too. Yeah, and so no one's striking for them. Yeah, no one's striking. So they're kind of, I mean, yes, they can benefit from this strike, right? Because that kind of gives them more
00:31:14
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leverage possibly if they can do it, but at the same time, they're not working. Yeah. So Bill Maher and Drew Barrymore were saying, from what I understand, well,
00:31:28
Speaker
No, I don't know what either of their stances are. All I know is they were comparing it because I read it on Reddit. So, you know, it knows what's up. Yeah. But they were saying Bill Marjorie in the first strike, he still had the show, but without any of the written bits. Yeah. So it just became a political discourse show. And then also, you know, it keeps everyone else employed, you know, give some money because what, how are they making money right now? You know, what's their struggle?
00:31:56
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And same thing with her because her show is also a part of her production company. So she, I guess, and she's a face of it. I don't know how true any of that is. We'll see. But, you know.
00:32:11
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Gotta feed those other families, so. I don't know, it's a complex situation, right? I think it's tough and I think it's easy for people to just pile on for one thing or another. It smells like meat in here now, dude. It smells like fucking meat. It's getting better. Calm down. It turned from an egg smell to like just this sitting meat, just this rotting meat in the corners of the room. He never complained when it was in your mouth, so shut up. He never farted in my mouth.
00:32:41
Speaker
I was talking about my penis. That's what Steven was really dreaming about when he was hoping Alex would text. Hey, baby, you don't remember me no more. You're too good and clean for me up there in San Francisco. He's like, I want to hang out with you guys, but, uh, you too gay for me.
00:33:05
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with my dick in your mouth, you know? Nothing wrong with that being gay, you know what I'm saying? Oh man, who said it was gay? Um, Alex, have you been keeping up on the strike stuff at all? Or, uh, do you know how to read? No, apparently.
00:33:25
Speaker
I haven't been keeping up. I've heard about it. I mean, I when I hear about like all this shit going on with the like AI and the protests going through with that, I totally back it. I'm not for any of the AI being involved in the overlords. No, Tom will.
00:33:50
Speaker
And I'm just going to whoever can help me make movies. If it's Jesus, I mean, and I think a lot of people have said it. I did. You guys have mentioned in a couple of episodes, too. It's like, you know, it's great, like when it comes to workflow and it speeds speeds it up. But, you know, when it comes to actually creating a story.
00:34:15
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I don't agree with it at all. I feel like that's totally, that's not filmmaking. If it's actually making decisions for you, it's, you know, the inspiration of the films coming from AI. That's not a movie. Interesting. To me. But yeah. That's what they're striking about, huh? Yeah. I mean, no, that's not what they're complaining about. You fucking asshole. Yes.
00:34:44
Speaker
He's good at it, though. Oh, he knows. Trust me, he knows. Goddamn, Chip. Oh, go ahead, Alex. I'm sorry. No, but I mean, that's pretty much like I know we talked about it a little bit earlier, but that's the main thing that I've heard.
00:35:04
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It's definitely a big concern, especially with the likeness. Well, I think that's also just kind of become the biggest concern in a sense, right? Because we're just seeing everything it can do and it's still kind of wowing us like, oh, yeah.
00:35:18
Speaker
You know, it can benefit, for instance, within film, we met with DJ and he was making the point that, because we were talking about how they were scanning extras and then using their like image, right? And I think they were even manipulating it through AI, I don't know. I don't know, any technology is going to get wrapped up with AI now, right? But it was kind of them stealing their likeness and using it for whenever they need an extra instead of paying for someone.
00:35:46
Speaker
And yeah, that hurts the actor there, but also, you know, there's residual effects of... Sorry, buddy. I had to burp, my apologies. Of like wardrobe and makeup and all of them doing up the extra, you know, that's extra work these other areas are losing out in. And you know, I think we're just starting to kind of grasp what AI is in the sense that we really don't know. And it has tons of potential.
00:36:16
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There's enough potential maybe to explore it, depending on how you feel. But oh, I mean, it's I think it's a tear. It's a scary new frontier in that regard. And then in just talking about the strikes, how essentially everyone is just at the whim.
00:36:37
Speaker
of these producers that, you know, it's, I think what the strikes have really shown is like a few people just really hold the power and they dictate everything because it's the AMP, TP, PPP, MP, AMP, PPP, AMP. These guys, there's like 12 of them.
00:36:59
Speaker
Right. And they're like 12 billionaires and they're just like, you know what? Fuck you guys. We're not we will lose all our money because guess what? We have it all stored away in like Trinidad and fucking the bagel or whatever the fuck it's called. You know, the bagels. Yeah, fuck those guys. I want to talk about save the cats. I wrote a little one page review. All right.
00:37:25
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I even talked about how I'll write up a little something to talk about. Okay, so I listened to...
Scripts, Creativity, and Kurosawa's Lessons
00:37:30
Speaker
I wanted to get back into listening to more filmmaking books. So I've been trying to add those into my rotation. And I listened to a book about screenwriting called Save the Cat, written by Blake Snyder.
00:37:45
Speaker
I didn't know he was dead until after I had written this review. So, uh, rest in peace, you fuck. What's next on the list? Save the cat. A phrase that is repeated through the Blake Snyder book about breaking down screenplay writing to help beginners understand the structure and understanding of the act and business of screenwriting.
00:38:07
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Listen to the audiobook and found some of the direction given to be helpful, but also very singular. The book discusses the need to create likable heroes, hence save the cat. My biggest issue with the book is that it's geared towards writing in a very rigid structured manner, which is probably very good advice for people who struggle with ideas and the story of their script.
00:38:27
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I don't recommend the book. Unless you only want to write screenplays, go ahead and read it. But I think you can learn more from these two Akira Kurosawa quotes. Save yourself some time. Let me read them to you now.
00:38:40
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In order to write scripts, you must first study the great novels and dramas of the world. You must consider why they are great. Where does the emotion come from that you feel as you read them? What degree of passion did the author have to have? What level of meticulousness did he have to command in order to portray the characters and events as he did?
00:39:03
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You must read thoroughly to the point where you can grasp all of these things. You must also see the great films. You must read the great screenplays and study the film theories of the great directors. If your goal is to become a film director, you must master screenwriting.
00:39:22
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Akira Kurosawa. Second quote, with a good script, a good director can produce a masterpiece. With the same script, a mediocre director can produce a passable film. But with a bad script, even a good director can't possibly make a good film. For a truly cinematic expression, the camera and the microphone must be able to cross both fire and water. The script must be something that has the power to do this.
00:39:51
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Akira Kurosawa. So what do you guys think of those quotes? I couldn't, you know, when I was reading these quotes, I was just like, I couldn't imagine myself saying something so eloquent if I lived 10,000 years.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, that was beautiful and fucking deep. But like what he said in those two quotes essentially just sums up that book. It's just like you have to study and work hard and understand why things work. And I think that's a really difficult part of screenwriting and just storytelling in general. Like why do some stories work and some don't?
00:40:24
Speaker
Why is John Wick 1 so much better than John Wick 4? Why is Lawrence of Arabia one of the best movies ever made? And then really understand why. Not just say, movie good. I like the movie because the man shoot the other guy in the face and he had a big ugly face and he fucking died. That's my review of Mr. Rico.
00:40:54
Speaker
I am. Not really, but, you know, like, what do you guys think about that? And how do you kind of go about understanding films? Do you try to really break down and understand films and the books and stuff that you're reading?
00:41:11
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Do you really look at me and Alex and think books that you're reading? You, motherfucker. What? Like read a book? Yeah, I think it's really... What about it? Movies, do you like, do you try to break down and understand why movies work? Or do you just like watch for pure entertainment? Or like, how does that work for you? I think once you decide that you want to...
00:41:36
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do filmmaking to any degree, you're breaking it down. I think that's everyone. I feel like my approach, especially with like the first time you fucking child from the back, just pop it up and then slide it forward. That's what she said. See that little tab? You can't do it with like, no, I didn't use my nail. I used my finger.
00:42:04
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Yeah, like the flesh of my finger, you know. Dude, I do not know how this lock works. Fucking kidding. Well, you slide it back. Sorry, man. I'm just amazed by this. No, you're drinking it backwards. You're like those Russian immigrants that didn't know how to eat bananas. Do I peel it? Well, you wouldn't know either, okay? No, you're right. I just figured it out.
00:42:30
Speaker
I understood, that's why I read. Strawberry kiwi, paps, blue ribbon. You probably drink paps when it was popular, huh? You fucking fucker, Alex. Paps is okay. Paps is okay. Remember when it was so popular? I remember you only used to drink it. Yeah, you fucking hit it. No, I didn't. I got it because it was cheap cocaine. God damn it. No, because I thought it tasted good, you cocksucker. Don't you turn it around on me. I remember the pink pants.
00:43:01
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Those are styling, man. They were salmon. Oh, dude, that's like that's every suit. Hey, let me tell you, there's a clear difference. OK, there's a very clear difference between salmon and. Yes. OK, you sound like every other hipster that drank PBR when it was cool. When it was cool. Ain't cool no more. What's cool now? Oh, that's blue ribbon. Hi, Seltzer.
00:43:30
Speaker
Oh, everyone's all about the white claws now, huh? I thought that died out. I don't really know. I'm not into things or hip. Well, you know, I'm an unintentional hipster. No, you know what? I think it's getting hip. It's the mixed drinks that are in the cans. Oh, you're right. Because I heard those are pretty good. Really? Doing something like the highballs and stuff. What the fuck is a highball? You did an eight ball?
00:43:58
Speaker
No, I feel like that's already like they don't have a chance with what's going on right now. Oh, highball that fucking liquor market shit. Yeah, you know, that's like you literally shake it up and then you drink it like chocolate. You just get diarrhea for three days. No, not that shit. It's literally like a jacket coke. Really? Yeah, it's like a premixed. Yeah.
00:44:26
Speaker
These kids, there ain't no hope. But I've heard from alcoholics, it's not bad. You don't say alcoholics liking booze? Shit just gets lazier and lazier, man. Consider that. Dude, I had a friend that was a pretty hardcore alcoholic. That motherfucker would drink fucking rubbing alcohol out of the toilet, man. Well, once dickhead comes out, then we can discuss that.
00:44:54
Speaker
That's fair. So I guess I have another quote from Akira Kurosawa. Holy shit. I thought that was like 12 quotes. Oh, okay. We're waiting for Alex to get back. So yeah, buddy, tell me more about these mixed drinks. I don't want to talk about mixed drinks, do you? No, not really. What do you got going on?
00:45:15
Speaker
Ah, fuck. I don't know, man. How about them mixed drinks? Yeah. No, I did work on scene six. Nice, nice, nice. I like, I lit the join up, you know, and I was like, we'd come get me. And I got like, I finished an important segment and I was able to draw out a lot of heart.
00:45:43
Speaker
But then, you know, I was getting like super high, so I started getting in my thoughts. And now I want to do another cut of it, like save that one to show you, and then also do another one where it just kind of shows more of the back elements to the character of the back story, not story, but just elements of the character. For instance, Jennifer that she likes to,
00:46:11
Speaker
Yeah, I was thinking about how important it is that that comes through. It's not necessarily important. It is important because... But it is important. But like, I mean, I think you can... If someone saw it in it, they never saw that element to her character. They'd be fine with it. I remember how upset everyone was when we were talking about how we wanted to have a female character that liked sex. Yeah. And everyone was like, girls don't like sex.
00:46:40
Speaker
And I was like, that's pretty sexist. Yeah, but those were our partners. No, no, it wasn't even just them. It was fucking everybody. And we were like, what is wrong with you guys? Of course girls like sex. Are you fucking kidding me? When we were writing Dickhead and we were letting people read the script, everyone was giving a shit because we had Jennifer, our female lead, she liked to have sex.
00:47:07
Speaker
Not that she liked to have sex, but she was like a bit of a sex hound, right? Like she was, hey, if she saw a guy, she'd hook up with him. Which people would be, you know. Well, she, there's, we have some very- But we explore the reason later is because she uses that as like almost like a self-medication for like her depression and her like loneliness and stuff. Oh yeah, it fills out.
00:47:35
Speaker
hurt. Yeah, the cum fills the hurt, you know? Ain't that the truth, man? So, I mean, I remember like, and we had, we had to like actually like be like, hey, look, this is like what we're trying to do, what we're trying to accomplish.
00:47:49
Speaker
And they were like, girls don't like fucking boys. Oh, man. It's prime on the show. It's prime time, right? Prime time. We're just getting started. Well, as the kids say, we're going to spill some tea. That's what the kids say, I think. I heard someone say that in marketing. Marketers, they're all about the kids, you know, fucking goddamn Epstein fuckers.
00:48:21
Speaker
Yeah. What are we talking about? Freedom of Spear Cross Sour Quilt. Yeah. Wow, really? We barely got to the second quote? No, this is the third quote. There's three quotes from this dude? Didn't you say, damn, he really doesn't really retire, huh? I wrote, well, he's dead. Oh.
00:48:39
Speaker
You racist, wrong Japanese man. Oh yeah, that was a yasaki. Fuck. Akira Kurosawa. I don't know why I said it like that. My bad. So, I wonder...
00:48:55
Speaker
As I was just looking up for a quote for him, I was just like, this guy's a fucking genius. Like, yeah, literally, it kind of hurts how bad like the separation is. Because I think I'm just smart enough to realize how far away I am from that. You know, that really hurts. I mean, he's one of the greatest ever. It's not even I mean, I think he's just a really smart dude, really thoughtful. And I'm just like,
00:49:22
Speaker
So I can take a quote from him so we can sound smarter and hopefully educate our audience with genius. Make me believe Akira Kurosawa himself is right in front of me giving me this wisdom. This is our new channel, your inner Akira. This is our main discussion and this quote should hopefully lead us into this discussion. What is cinema?
00:49:50
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The answer to this question is no easy matter. Long ago, the Japanese novelist Shiga Neoya presented an essay written by his grandchild as one of the most remarkable prose pieces of his time. He had it published in a literary magazine. It was entitled, My Dog, and ran as follows.
00:50:17
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My dog resembles a bear. He also resembles a badger. He also resembles a fox. It proceeded to enumerate the dog's special characteristics, comparing each one to yet another animal, developing into a full list of the animal kingdom.
00:50:35
Speaker
God damn, that kid knew all the animals. However, the essay closed with, but since he's a dog, he most resembles a dog. Can you repeat the last two lines? Yeah, he said, but since he's a dog, he most resembles a dog.
00:50:56
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I remember bursting out laughing when I read this essay, but it makes a serious point. See, look, we bursted out laughing just like Kurosawa. Cinema resembles so many other arts. If cinema had literary characteristics, it also had theatrical qualities. A little philosophical side, attributes of painting and sculpting and musical elements, but cinema in the final analysis is cinema. Akira Kurosawa.
00:51:29
Speaker
No, no, no, no comments from the peanut gallery. That's nice. OK. It's just OK. Great as you say, huh? I thought I was pretty profound myself. Yeah. How did it move you? Because I think sometimes we kind of forget that cinema is just and films are something of a whole
00:51:59
Speaker
We like to think, oh, you know, this edit was bad or this cup was bad or the coloring is bad or something. But it's like we got to examine, you know, every every aspect. Yeah. You know, it's like, you know, we want to buy an expensive camera, but then we have no money for, you know, a composer.
00:52:20
Speaker
And like that has to all be in consideration and to a degree, right? Like we need to have a composer and we need to make sure every element is handled because cinema as a whole is all encompassing. Yeah. That's what I thought about it. Definitely. Alex?
00:52:45
Speaker
Um, the one thing that like, I don't know, it's kind of like, did you like the part about the dog? I'm sorry. It kind of worries me like, um, on the way like certain people look at it, like, uh,
00:53:05
Speaker
You you also want to remember that you're watching a film, but you don't like I would like I the distractions of trying to look at things individually. You know, I mean, if I start paying attention to the just the cinematography, which is the art in itself, right? Yeah.
00:53:25
Speaker
I'll lose myself from the story. And I think that happens to people and it's like where I'll watch. If I watch a new movie, I'll have to tell myself, like, don't pay attention to anything individually. Don't pay attention to just the audio. Right. Because then you kind of like you're pulled away from the story.
00:53:43
Speaker
So, like, the purpose of everything is obviously to make one whole film. Everything within itself, you know what I mean? It's a universe of fucking different forms of art. And you can go fucking down the rabbit hole for each one of those.
00:54:02
Speaker
But just to remember that their whole purpose is to create one movie. And that's what I feel like you always got to remember, like, yeah, there's all different art forms, but it's for this one purpose. And that's what you got to remember. It's all for this one thing. It's a story. Can I ask you guys something? Yes.
00:54:28
Speaker
Like, let's go far out there. AI is 20 years old. You know, we got hovering cars now. We're living in outer space. Like, it's transformed in 20 years. That's how fast it's going, I'll tell you. So, because what is cinema ultimately, right? It's like this visual story that you kind of experience on a visceral level.
Films vs. Video Games: Fear and Narrative Control
00:54:53
Speaker
Certain films, at least.
00:54:56
Speaker
and video games. They're like movies now, but now you're experiencing them, right? Like for instance, you don't get really scared for any movie, buddy. You're just not one of those people who gets scared watching a movie.
00:55:13
Speaker
Although you do talk a lot when you get scared too, so now you do talk a lot through most movies. That's how I defend myself against the fear. Yeah, I just realized that might have been a defensive mechanism. Anyways. Definitely. That's why at the end of Rick, I was like, that pair is Hilton, bitch. Because that's how I survived that movie. Because when she got shot on the screen, I was just like, damn, dude, thank God I wear an adult diaper.
00:55:37
Speaker
You guys seen Rick? Yeah, Rick. You seen this, watched it. You know the end of that movie when she's up in the top floor? That's one of the scariest endings, dude. And it's just like, goddamn, dude. One of the scariest looking monsters I've ever seen. Yeah. It's because it looks kind of like, you know, like a... Alright, let's try that again. It's because she looks really scary. Shit. She's all emaciated and she's been locked up in that apartment.
00:56:05
Speaker
And it's like, damn, dude, you know, that bitch started COVID and shit, you know? No, oh, here's my point. Okay, so now imagine Resident Evil 7, right? You played it, the first person. We beat it like in one day. Was that shit not fucking scary through like a majority of that? It is. I will say the biggest difference between like video game, the video game experience and the film experience is the film is you don't get to make a choice.
00:56:34
Speaker
Exactly in a video game the choice is yours like if you need to like if you want to go down the left hallway You can go left and try to go down I mean some games are like so linear that that's not important like it's like playing a visual film experience Yeah, because you don't really have choices. You're just clicking along. Yeah but that
00:56:55
Speaker
Lack of control is what it and that feeds into the storytelling of the director and screenwriter because everyone involved is like we are choosing the experience for you were making the decisions for you so that you can experience what we want you to experience.
00:57:13
Speaker
But isn't it the same thing because they're only giving you a limited script? You don't have all of your creative thoughts that you're- To an extent, yes. But then I watched like a speedrun of Resident Evil 7 where the dude like just knives the girl like three times and then he's done with the game in eight seconds. And it's like, that was a video game. He completed it just like we did, but he did in eight seconds because he found like a glitch that teleported to the end with three knives and he stabbed a bitch.
00:57:42
Speaker
You know like is that like that's also the same experience I guess that but no it's not it's not intended but that's not the same experience exactly yeah movies are better
00:57:58
Speaker
No, I think, well, one, I think maybe there'll be like some marriage. It'll be like that one movie with Ray Fiennes, remember? And he puts those things on his head and then he's experiencing their shit. You know that movie? It's like in the future with Angela Bassett.
00:58:16
Speaker
And he puts this thing on his head and then he sees the murder of a woman and the crazy thing about it is it's sold on the black market because you experience what they're getting, what they experience. So like there's ton of porn and then all this other hedonistic shit because it's like you can experience all of the feelings like of someone just before they die and you don't die. So it's like this highly addictive thing.
00:58:43
Speaker
No idea for that movie, huh? I'm trying to think of what it is. I want to say it's like, it's not the imaginarium of whatever, right? No, it came out like in 2000. Yeah. Or 1990. Man, you guys didn't fuck to watch movies, man. Don't you understand? That I watched Les Thames. You watched Les Thames, okay? You're talking about Red Dragon?
00:59:08
Speaker
Oh, you mean Voldemort? All right, Alex, Steven's gone. He was too depressed off himself. I wanted to ask you ask me, how do you know? So do you get a lot of ideas? Like, do you have a lot of ideas for movies and stuff always going through your mind?
00:59:30
Speaker
I feel like I get when I am, it's weird. Sometimes my inspirations come from certain like music or thinking about certain visuals, which obviously as like to like trying to like push for more of like a cinematography like career, I think that's where I get my inspirations is thinking of visuals and or if I see something in person.
00:59:58
Speaker
You know something like I'm like, oh like how cool just like with like thinking about mr Rico and thinking about like just people dancing in general, you know, so like visuals definitely Are where I think I get like stories from so then how do you know? when an idea is I guess for lack of better word good enough to To pursue Hmm
01:00:25
Speaker
I mean, I think the first thing, and I think there's something that a lot of people have to consider is when it's, when it's too, uh, it's too out of range when it comes to like, you got the PBR Psalter. Yes. You just interrupted Alex. He was talking about, uh, well, I'm sorry.
01:00:51
Speaker
I'm kind of going off script a bit. I asked him how he knows when an idea is good enough to pursue. When do you know an idea is good enough?
01:01:04
Speaker
Like I back to what I was saying is Probably something realistic that a lot of people deal with this when the when they're think about writing a script is whether you can actually film it You know, and that's like something I've seen on so many You know tutorials with like film riot and so many other filmmaking channels is like hey Like write to what you can actually film that's gonna film a donkey taking a shit doesn't necessarily mean it's good Oh, yeah, of course, of course, but you know, you could have a really good idea
01:01:34
Speaker
And it's like, well, do you have the effects that could keep up with that or the set design or the actors? You know what I mean? Like, I would actually love to like write and film like a romantic, you know, like movie, right? A romance. I would be damned. But here's that's the thing. It's like,
01:02:03
Speaker
I don't know a single person that I feel like I could trust to cast. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, bro. That's those are hard shoes to fill. That's right. Only you know the character like you and what's more real than. I'm real. You can even call him Alex. Yeah. So don't even change your character's name. Just call him Alex. Exactly. Yeah. I'd watch it.
01:02:33
Speaker
Alex reminds me just of American Psycho, right? Just at some point he's in front of the mirror, he's like, yeah. And then all of a sudden there's a fucking chainsaw and a lot of blood. Yeah, I watched that movie. Chainsaw would be too fast. So you want to make a romantic comedy, huh? No.
01:02:56
Speaker
Oh, sorry. No, that's what you said. It's cool. I'd be ashamed. I'm using that as like a reference is like, you know, like knowing what you have to actually make the film.
01:03:08
Speaker
You know, that's yeah, that would be the first thing that makes me consider whether it's like worth diving into a story that's worth pursuing. Right. I wanted to make a movie about a bunch of copyrighted license music. Yes, that we don't have. Yes. Oh. But I mean, all right. I feel like inspiration comes from all kinds of things and sometimes you got to cut some corners.
01:03:38
Speaker
Oh, hell yeah. Well, we're in deep shit, man. We ain't doing nothing fucking lying. So you got to make the square fit. So you want to do a romance movie, huh, Alex? I wouldn't mind. I would totally be down for a romance movie. Can you pitch us your romance? No, I cannot. No. Does it involve a skater? I don't got a romance idea for you guys. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Look at that smile. You're like, well, maybe I dabbled a little bit of notes. There are times where, like, some thoughts
01:04:07
Speaker
You know, like there's some thoughts about like what would be a good like romance story, but either way. He was a skater boy. He said, see you later. The end. He never wrote her back. Alex just skated away as a credit to all. He just made it. I had a good day. Right into the sunset. That's besides the point. What I'm trying to say is like, you know,
01:04:37
Speaker
what you're asking you know right to what you can actually shoot and like tell a good story you know like you're not fucking perfect example have you guys ever seen the movie what is it 13 assassins yes by the samurai yes and and the final battle scene
01:04:58
Speaker
And there's a point to her like, oh, like somebody had this great idea of like lighting these bulls on fire. Do you remember this? And they crash into the fucking village. Yeah. That was some terrible CGI. Oh, yes. Absolutely. And the movie itself is it's a great movie. I really enjoyed it. I think that's a Takashi Mikai movie.
01:05:25
Speaker
But but the thing is like Alex, like, well, no, you had enough Japanese people on the podcast already. Oh, but, you know, it is. God damn, I feel pretty proud of myself. God damn library. Oh, yeah, I got to get another one.
01:05:47
Speaker
Yeah, and he was telling me he had a full beer. I knew he was lying to me looking at his bottle. You treat me like I'm so fucking dumb and hot. I was like, that's empty. It's a dark glass. I can't see the liquid. Look at how he gaslights me. He's like, just take the beer and go to your seats, dude.
01:06:03
Speaker
Okay, are you sure? You don't want a beer? I opened one. I'm drinking it. It's full. Even guilt tripped you and said don't you have another one? I just finished it. He's like, oh, are you done over there? Hey, I just finished it.
01:06:19
Speaker
You see what I'm putting? Look, he's trying to talk about CGI bulls. He's trying to ignore the goddamn question. The question was, pitch us your goddamn romance movie. It ain't 13 Assassins with its dumb CGI bulls. Hey, that was terrible. I want to hear the romance movie. They can't pitch it. Open up your heart. No. No. Look. It's not really. Steven and I will both pitch our romance movies, but you got to go first. I don't have a romance movie. I don't write that shit. Do I have a romance? Yes. One. See? But it's not a romance. All right, why don't you pitch it?
01:06:48
Speaker
You pitch it first. I'm just kidding, don't. We don't have to go into this. Oh, so you look at, he's afraid. Oh, no, my next story, I do want it to be a romance, but it's about a breakup and a guy's miserable and suicidal. Okay. Okay. That's the pitch. Pretty much it. What? It's a story, it's a start. I thought so. All right.
01:07:17
Speaker
What about you, buddy? Pitch romance? Yeah. Okay. So it's about this guy and all he wants in the world is to find love, but no one loves him. Oh, you judge me. So he creates a virus that kills everyone except the person that he loves and everyone dies and he's all alone. The end. That's the ultimate implication, huh? Yeah, it's just my life.
01:07:45
Speaker
He was a skater, boy. He said, see you later. Boy, Alex, your turn. Oh, God. That's not even a good romance. You know, I got a good romance for you right here. Tell it to me. So, two Japanese kids. Come to America.
01:08:03
Speaker
to find fame and fortune in acting. And they start to grow apart because the girl becomes way more famous than the guy and he gets a little obese. I mean, the brother? No, the guy. So they're a loving couple. Oh, he gets a little obese, you know, he starts not shaving and stuff like that. And she's like famous and she's like getting all the roles and she's really like getting big. And it's just like, oh my God, look at she's so cool. And then he's like,
01:08:30
Speaker
remember when we loved each other? And so he starts going to the gym and cross-fitting and he gets all handsome looking, but she's like, I liked you when you were fat, you stupid idiot. And so he eats a bunch of Doritos. And dies? No, and she's like, give me more Doritos. And he goes, I can't do it. You'll get fat and then she gets fat and he doesn't love her anymore. The end.
01:09:00
Speaker
I'm not selling any good romances today. No, you're giving me a B-shit. You just want to kill yourself. Give me a break. Alex, come on. You can do better than us. Jesus Christ. I got nothing. Priming. What I have is probably very typical. It'll be better. Yeah. Don't worry. So like the only like idea I've had is like
01:09:24
Speaker
struggling musician, longtime girlfriend, like high school sweetheart. They have a kid together, you know, they go back and forth from like commitment issues, obviously. And he's in a band. So he has his issues. He cheats on her stuff like that. They try to say it. He's.
01:09:46
Speaker
He's in a band, he fucks. Let's say they've tried to work it out for a long time and eventually they just call it quits. It's just with the baby seeing them fight and all that. And then eventually he just goes on his demon mode being in the band. He just doesn't give a fuck. Now he's fucking everything. And then with that, he meets a girl that at this point he's saying, I don't give a fuck about feelings or anything.
01:10:15
Speaker
I just got the AIDS. And I just got the AIDS. Yeah, that's how I was going to say it is. But I got AIDS and she's like, but I love you. He's like, no, the AIDS. It's kind of close to that. It's okay. But then he meets the one girl, he's like, oh, she's really cool. And then you could see that they have chemistry and they're trying to make things work. And while things are looking up, he starts to realize that
01:10:42
Speaker
like he has health issues and he realizes he has cancer and like then he has he realizes he has cancer yeah he doesn't get a diagnosed uh he's like she's they're not the size of great fruits normally oh my god i thought i was just whaling down great fruits the fucking blood coming out of his ass and oh nice unless that's a normal thing i think oh he got the patrick's wazy egg cancer
01:11:08
Speaker
Damn, he had pancreatic. Yeah, that's the baddest ass one, man. No, I think the baddest ass one is the bone one, isn't it? Oh yeah, bone cancer is probably the baddest ass one.
01:11:21
Speaker
The pancreatic's like second to best. Cancer sucks. I think I'm probably gonna die to cancer. I think most people do. Most people are. But you know what's crazy? You know what I learned? It sucks. I wanna die to something cool like... Well, not a shark attack, cause that... I don't wanna fall to my death. I'd like to die having sex. Y'all... Let me go. If you gotta go, you gotta go, you know? A heart attack, whatever stroke. I'll take whatever they give me, but, you know, like...
01:11:51
Speaker
You know, like, please. This is why we don't have a camera. It's Ms. Steven going fucking Super Saiyan all dying deep in the fucking goddamn lady's gash. Jesus Christ. All right. That would be such a beautiful shot. Tomorrow.
Humorous Personal Anecdotes and Shark Attack Discussions
01:12:11
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Damn short.
01:12:16
Speaker
What about you, Alex? How high? No, how do you want to die? How do I want to die? Man, to me, it would be like in the rain. He wants to die. Yeah, he has that epic dramatic like, in the rain, Spike Spiegel. No.
01:12:37
Speaker
Flower petals falling in your shit. Yeah, it doesn't like that. It doesn't have to be that dramatic. But like, I mean, I would say like, like for sure, like in a forest, like if I could be surrounded by trees in the rain. Yeah. In the rain, that'd be perfect.
01:12:53
Speaker
So how are you? That's perfect. I like how Steven says, Alex, how do you want to die? He says, where I want to die. Does the tree fall on you? Are you drowning in this situation? Well, in that case, yeah, I know that that's a tough one. I mean, I guess it would have to be like if it's on if I'm dying, I would want to be overdosing. To be honest, like, yeah, you know, that would be the best way.
01:13:23
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I'll say something no one ever mentioned, getting mauled to death.
01:13:28
Speaker
You're pretty low on my list. You're pretty low on my list. Well, like, because you were mentioning, like, who said shark attack? Somebody said shark attack. Steven said it. Steven's just like, I want a bear to kill me. I want a shark to kill me. Did you guys watch the fucking video of the guy who got eaten up by the shark in Egypt? Did you guys watch that? Oh, God, no. I think I saw it from Tom Segura. They showed it on a clip. And they didn't edit it because I hate seeing that shit. I still haven't been able to watch, like, the
01:13:57
Speaker
the non-blurred version, but even even with it blurred is pretty fucked up. And it just like after watching it, I was like, man, I can't get in my fucking like shower without being.
01:14:09
Speaker
Dude, like, it's so... Shark? It's fucking... Sharks come out of the shower. You dumb dumb. But, like, it's just fucking... It's sketchy how, like, how... You can watch all these documentaries and people are like, oh my god, like, sharks will never hurt you, blah blah blah. Pet them, they're like dogs. Pet them? What the fuck? Dude, like, I'm literally... They say pet the sharks now. 2023, haven't you heard?
01:14:38
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There's a doctor and Greta Thunberg. There's a there's a documentary on Netflix called Tales by Light. And there's like they go through like a team of photographers who do like photography with all these like schools of shark. Yeah. And they try to keep explaining. They're like, yeah, like, you know, it's really rare. They don't they don't go to school. Literally, they like they when they talk about they're like, it's like they they compare it to a dog.
01:15:05
Speaker
And it's like, okay, we'll ask that guy in Egypt, like, you know, fucking the hell. Well, there's still people who are mauled to death by a dog, because that sounds worse than a shark. Way more people are mauled to death by dogs than a shark. I'd rather get mauled to death by a shark than a dog. I never even seen a shark in real life. But the death. But like, I mean, a shark's got a better chance.
01:15:24
Speaker
No, yeah, you're absolutely right because it just makes you completely afraid. I don't know, why was I thinking about someone just being nice to a shark and that being the funniest thing? And then you said school of sharks.
01:15:38
Speaker
Distracted sorry I had a thought Yeah, you make a great point Alex. You know I've watched that video. I'll watch it. I'm blue I don't like it's right. You know I chose the best time is a little family gathering, but It's funny
01:16:02
Speaker
All the kids were away. It was just me and my brother-in-laws. It's always just the guys, huh? It was. Like, just the conversation. Like, hey, you want to see, you know, this kind of shit. This guy is fucking bald to death by his shirt? Well...
01:16:16
Speaker
I had my brother-in-law he was like hey like this one guy did some bullshit he jumped off a ship and he got like he disappeared and I was like oh you're talking about that guy from like the Russian tourist in Egypt who got mauled by a shark and so I showed him that mauling if a shark does it what does mauling mean I don't know what's that definition changed when it's a shark
01:16:41
Speaker
I'm just I don't know. I'm just guessing quit. I mean, really real quick, like he had no idea what I was about to show him. We were talking about two different things. So what he showed me, like I showed him the like video in Egypt and he was fucking traumatized. He was like, oh, yeah, dude. And and he was like, this is not what I was talking about.
01:17:01
Speaker
He was like, he was so bummed out. And then you put on baby shark? No way. Pretty much what I wanted to watch. That's pretty much- Let's go. Hot, hot, hot. And then he cuts into the Egypt guy just like getting fucking ripped apart and like screaming like, say hi! You know, like he said he was from Germany. What? No, he didn't. I thought he said that he was a German Nazi, that guy. I'm all by a shark in Egypt.
01:17:31
Speaker
It's sad though. When you think about that, it's not as sad at all. It's really fucked up. Don't want to be sad about Nazis getting murdered in Germany. I mean, in Egypt. I mean, the thing that really bothered me when that was like, there was a big buzz about that was somebody talking about it at work and they were reading through the comments and this was literally the next day and there was already a guy fucking
01:17:57
Speaker
has a stupid troll comment on there. And I was like, dude, this is fucking sick. This is so sick. And I was kind of getting mad at my coworker, because I was like, dude, like, I was like, are you watching this to be entertained? Or are you watching this because you care? You know, like, why are you watching this? And he was trying to tell me, he was like, well, he's like, it's kind of like educational, like, you know, to see like that. I thought that was interesting. When he said that, he was like, they are schools. I'm sorry.
01:18:36
Speaker
Like I don't know I was like you're making to me I was like you're making excuses like yeah, I feel like
01:18:43
Speaker
sometimes social media desensitizing other people with fucking death. And I get so annoyed when one of my roommates, he always wanted to send me that kind of shit, like best score and all this shit of people dying. And I'm like, dude, I tell him I'm like, I don't want to fucking see that. I'm already fucking stressed out as it is. And he's like, well, don't you like horror films?
01:19:12
Speaker
And that's literally his like, he'll be like, don't you like horror films and stuff? And I'm like, those are completely different things. It's always always pretend it's like Halloween. You live with an like an incel? No, those are this guy sounds like an incel. The only people that watch videos of like beheadings. No, that's not true. That's really I have a lot of family members who are not incels. I'd be like, hey, check out this video and just joke about it like.
01:19:39
Speaker
When what was that website where they show all the dead bodies? Like rotten.com? Yeah, maybe it was rotten.com. There was another one. We also used that for forensics class. Like they were like, yeah, just go to the website. You'll see the aftermath of like the police photos. Yeah.
01:19:56
Speaker
You know, and when that shit was first coming out, yeah, man, my family always wanted to see that. It's like, oh, did you see her about that beheading video? Because remember that had never come out before. Yeah. And then with all the terrorism, that shit started being a thing. And they would watch that shit. They're like, look, you can hear when he stops, he's no longer able to scream because his like vocal cord or whatever just snapped at that point. And it's just like.
01:20:21
Speaker
Fuck that, man. And that's the shit that's like, there's a huge difference between that and horror films. You know, horror films for fun, you know, no one got hurt. It's like anything scary, right? Like even with that shit, there's a certain amount of titillation to it, like just this taboo and there's an allure to it, right? Kind of like going back to movies like leather or pinhead, Hellraiser, right? But also,
01:20:53
Speaker
at the same time, you know, I forgot what I was saying. Oh, the difference between real violence and a horror film violence. Yeah, and so when you see it in a horror film, like, yeah, like, like you can just enjoy it. Like as disgusting as it may be, you at least know like, okay, at least no one really suffered. But when you see that real life shit, because also the most terrifying thing about the real life stuff is how just like,
01:21:20
Speaker
Un cinematic. Un cinematic it is. It's not just this grand thing. It's always just simple and quick. Like I remember there's this famous one of the senator who mailed himself a gun. Pulls it out on like the screening because he got busted for some shit. Yeah. And you just see the blood come out of his eyes and mouth and just like his body instantly go limp and I was like. Yeah.
01:21:45
Speaker
Like, that was way more terrifying than seeing Sonny and Godfather get shot like 70 times, you know? That was paled in comparison to the real life. I remember how un-cinematic, how un-dramatic it is. Because it's pixelated too. Yeah. You know, it's like 90s bad. Yeah, I remember I watched that video, that crazy Bjork guy that kills himself. I've never seen that. There's like this guy that's obsessed with Bjork. I've only seen a few. And he made like a really... Oh, it wasn't on YouTube, right? He did it.
01:22:12
Speaker
Yeah, he did like a really long livestream where he would just like listen to like Bjork and then the last video is him killing himself. And I remember watching it on like archive.org. And I was like, this is so fucking weird because this is just like this guy's life. And then he's just like, I guess that's over now. Bjork doesn't know who I am. That's like going to kill myself. It's like, wow, OK. And and, you know, did he do it listening to her music?
01:22:46
Speaker
But yeah, I mean it's just like Super fucked up maybe a beautiful scene in the way. I'm sorry. I'm thinking about it like cityscape like behind Dude he's like in his room in his underwear man, and it's like I heard about it
01:23:06
Speaker
Any film this it's really disturbing because like he would send all this shit to her and stuff Try to send to her or whatever. Damn. Could you imagine what that did to her?
01:23:14
Speaker
But the thing is that it's like when people get shot in real life, it's just like like there's no like big explosion. They don't fly back against the wall. It's just like pop and then. And then that's it. Yeah. And then you just like a little bit of blood coming
Fast Food Preferences and Workplace Humor
01:23:30
Speaker
down. It's not like, you know, fucking robocop and like like consider that with like Ed 209 murdering that guy and like consider that. Let's go back to the movies.
01:23:42
Speaker
Right? Like, N209 murdering that guy in Robocop in the boardroom meeting. Like, there's such an absurdity to it, where... That is comical. That it's comical. And, I mean, a lot of horror has that kind of violence as well. Even, like, the more realistic violence, I would say, like, maybe The Shining has some more realistic violence. Well, I'm thinking of, like, Eli Ross, right? And Hostel. Or Terrifier. Or Green Inferno. Oh, Green Inferno, man. You know...
01:24:10
Speaker
You know like the movies doing good when you feel a certain way and Green Inferno like made me like fuck, you know, I gotta make people always feel that way Yeah, like well, yeah, cuz it's like it's like another mauling or did you ever go to McDonald's, bro? They got some good chicken nuggets. That's very true. Actually. I hate McNuggets. I
01:24:31
Speaker
Really? I don't like McNuggets. You know what? I recently had some McNuggets and I fucking hate them too. I really hate their garbage. I don't like their... I really hate their texture. And I think... Oh, now you're Mr. Picky, huh? Whoa, hey! Look, first of all, they're very spongy. I don't know if you... You don't like eating sponges made out of meat? And not only that...
01:24:52
Speaker
But they always bragged about the tempura style of the nuggets. Oh, this motherfucker. I've been in San Francisco for 15 years and I've had tempura all over. Dude, even before, like I'm just saying, when you have like... Even before, a Kirikoura style of fucking McDonald's sucks. Let me tell you. No, but yeah, I definitely like new nugs. No, like, I mean...
01:25:18
Speaker
If you have tempura, that's not fucking regular tempura, man. If you have shrimp tempura or like the veggies or just like a couple rolls, it's not the same. It's a couple rolls. It's just a couple rolls. You know what I heard from your mom's house? McDonald's has their own like special Coke blend. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, it's like their own special one. I guess it's a bit of a secret.
01:25:42
Speaker
Really? Yeah, because I guess they serve Coke the best way. Coke? McDonald's Coke is like best Coke. Yeah, because Tom Segura had it. He was talking about the dish. I was like, I never know. I can't barely tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke. What the fuck? You talk about other Cokes. Damn, bro. Did someone burn off while your taste buds when you were a baby?
01:26:01
Speaker
You heard this from my mom's house? That what you said? Yeah, mama's house. Oh, that's the podcast name. Oh, not your actual mama. I was like, what the fuck you doing with my mama, bro? I was like, shit, at least I- You're taking my- I just met your podcast man. You're taking my mom to McDonald's? You cocksucka, you fucking chicken nugget. She's a goddamn Burger King. Damn, she's gonna eat them some. Tim Burgh! What the fuck?
01:26:24
Speaker
No, she won't be mad if you take his mom to Arby's though. Oh, in and out. No, Arby's? She's a high class student. She gets in and out. I've made it Arby's the best tagline. Come to Arby's, there's no line. That was good, buddy.
01:26:44
Speaker
Or welcome to Arby's, they're still alive. That's a very good point, man. Like, I'm surprised. You never gotta wait in line if you go to Arby's. Do we still have the Arby's that is by the... Somehow, man. There's a lot of money laundering that goes out around here. Arby's are like goddamn zombies. You can't kill them, they just keep coming back. There's no one there, but their lights are always on even during the pandemic. The one on Bear Valley, bro. Yeah, that's the only one, dude. That's the only one up there. Dude, and there's also one by Costco. Of course, you would know.
01:27:13
Speaker
I like Arby's. Yeah, I know. You're the one motherfucker keeping the lights on. Yeah, that's expensive. Can I get your Arby's? Yes, Tom. Yes, don't lie. No, not today, Tom. How do you think I thought of the joke? I just always blaze through. Always get the same thing, even that roast beef and cheese, you know?
01:27:34
Speaker
You know, everyone talks about shitting themselves. I had RVs once or twice. I didn't shit myself. No, I've never shit myself. Actually, you know, I kind of liked it. You know, weirdly enough, I think 2022, I shit myself more than I ever did in my entire life. Wait, what do you mean by shit? Like shit came out of my ass in my pants. In your underwear, on your undies? I had to throw away underwear at work once. Damn, bro, you did way too much.
01:28:01
Speaker
Were these charts or were these legitimate? No, I don't know what was going on I was having like really weird stomach issues like did you fart or did it just see cuz like No, it was just like I'm trying to hold it in like suck it in, you know Yeah, and sometimes you suck it so much creates like negative pressure Yeah
01:28:23
Speaker
And I'm just like, God damn it. So it was just a silent cloud? You're Chernobyl. Yeah. And it was. And I remember because I didn't I was like, I can't I can't use like a work bathroom because if someone looks in the toilet, they might look in the trash, they might see my underwear. So I went into like the lobby's bathroom and like I wrapped it up in a bunch of like toilet paper. What about your pants? They weren't. So luckily my pants were spared. It was just a quick little spurt. You know, just a little spurt. Just a little. Did you go back to work?
01:28:52
Speaker
Yeah, dude. I was just butt naked at work. Well, I was wearing pants. Butt naked at work. It was actually a really uncomfortable feeling. I feel like I need that second layer. I don't like being freeballing. I don't like to freeball. Me neither. There's a very uncomfortable, unsafe feeling about it. That's why I said I was surprised that you went back to work, because if I was in that situation, I would have gone home. Especially when the pants start rubbing on you.
01:29:22
Speaker
I'm like, oh, that feels so bad. I don't know how motherfuckers do it. I mean, you got to be grown up. Dude, I had friends I skated with where we'd be skating in like over 100 degree weather and they're wearing pants and they're fucking going commando. I'm like, dude, that's nasty. That's nasty.
01:29:47
Speaker
Well, I mean, you kind of need that layer for not only for I like the support. Yeah, the support. It's nice to just have it like there's like some protection there. Yeah. I'm telling you that you never know what's going to happen. Fucking ant bite you with a dick. You never know. You know, I've always had fears of ants like crawling in my pee hole. Oh, really? I never thought about that. That's terrifying.
01:30:12
Speaker
I remember one day I woke up and they were like, there's like chips in the bed and ants were like all over me and I was like, damn, did they get my pee hole? Don't ants just on you just make you and something like that? Dude, yeah, I fucking hate it. They're the fucking worst, you know? And then everyone has one added experience, right? Where it's like,
01:30:29
Speaker
Man, ants were just covering me head to toe. Well, dude, I was attacked by Queen Ants for fucking elementary school. Yeah, Queen Ants, there's only one Queen Ant, bro. That was like a fucking... Dude, it was like a goddamn bachelorette party or something. Was it a fucking school of Queen Ants? Goddamn, a school of Queen Ants mauled me today. Shit. Damn. Dude, they bit me on the neck, man. It was like a goddamn vampire Queen Ant. I don't even fucking know, man. Bitch fucking hurt my goddamn cunt. What were we talking about?
01:30:59
Speaker
Oh, I mean, we went down the rabbit hole. Queen ants. Yeah, queen ants suck. Well, ants, man, I understand they're like useful for the environment or whatever, but fuck them.
01:31:13
Speaker
Yeah, they're they're a pain in the ass. Do you know what? I noticed there's been a lot of flies this year. I noticed that. I noticed a lot of flies and like constantly just on you. I don't know if you dealt with that, but like the last couple of weeks, they were just fucking on me. And I'm like, dude, I'm about to fight this fucking fly, dude. Like, you know, good luck. They're fucking bad. They are bad. Wait.
01:31:38
Speaker
The thing that sucks is when a fly gets to you so bad that afterwards I'm worried about what other people are thinking when they see me. You know what I mean? They think I'm schizo trying to kill this fly.
01:32:05
Speaker
Like, I've probably had times where I'm reacting in my car like, fuck you. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm about to get in a fist fight, you know? And I'm like, you know, in the parking lot or something. And somebody's probably like, dude, like, what's wrong with that guy? You know, I hate the most about flies is that they're like mostly harmless.
01:32:27
Speaker
They're just annoyance like flies don't really bite you like I don't think most like regular like house flies or whatever they don't bite you. Yeah, they're not gonna give you AIDS, you know, they're not I mean, they're not mosquitoes and not carrying around like dengue fever and shit like you're not gonna get
01:32:47
Speaker
Malaria from a fly, right? It's just a fucking a never heard of a bot fly Yeah, I'm talking about the regular motherfucking flies. That is a regular fight period we live regular fucking flies like They don't they're they're just harmless annoyances Which is like kind of sad because it's like we want to exterminate the fuck out of them. Well, oh, yeah, man I made a soup outside in the front cuz the dogs poop and
01:33:15
Speaker
and the flies fucking are invading the house right now. So I mix it with vinegar, apple cider vinegar, water, just soap. The soup? Yeah, what I call it, it's like a death soup and then I add a hundred to it. And when the suds are there, the flies just get attracted and then they'll just start drowning in the soup. But it's gross because you got to fill it to the top so they like,
01:33:40
Speaker
immediately get dunked in. So every time you pick it up, you tend to spill a lot of the soup on your hands. They're really gross. Hold on, Steven. Like, have you ever thought about just like pouring the soup out? Well, yeah, but you got to take it from the table or the windowsill, wherever it's at and, you know, walk it to wherever you're dumping it out at, man.
01:34:01
Speaker
I got invaded by fucking flies, bro. Don't you understand? Dude, I'm saying the flies this year have been really fucking bad. I think it's because of the moisture. I really analyze this. And every time it rains, like afterwards, dude, the fucking flies just swarm bad. It's really crazy. I don't like getting fly strips or fly traps. I tried it once. It didn't work. They flew around it. I put a bunch up all over and they're...
01:34:29
Speaker
which do kill somebody you're like seven remember and then like the flies are just they just attached to and they just like die like the slow death yeah but it's and it's like but at the same time i'm just like sorry you were me buddy yeah it's your me fly even though the like i said the flies i think i'm pretty sure flies are mostly harmless like this the soup really kills them extremely fast they're actually really necessary for decomposition that soup
01:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. It starts with like a... Like literally a fly dipped in it and then it crawled out, but then it died on the wall of a cup. Jesus. I was like, fucking shit, I made a dead soup today. I made some good dead soup. But I only caught four. I mean, there's been times where literally it's been like 20 flies. Yeah. Like that. This house could get invaded by flies, man, because of the fucking dogs. And people don't close the goddamn doors.
01:35:28
Speaker
And then I'll get invaded by like 30, 40 fucking flies, man. Can you imagine that, buddy? You're talking about one or two? No, I'm talking about that. Dude, I was just, I had two spatulas in my head. I was do wielding. And they don't stop. And there was just blood all over the kitchen and shit. And I was like, God damn, dude, I was smashing the bread. I was just killing fucking flies. After a certain point, you don't care, huh? You're like, that's on a bottle. Dude, because it was just like, holy shit. They were like, they don't leave you alone.
01:35:58
Speaker
God damn, they're like your mom, you know? They drive you mad. They fucking drive you mad, dude. What I was just telling Tom is sometimes I get a little bit embarrassed or nervous on how somebody else is reacting to seeing me freak out on the fly. You know what I mean? Because there are times where I'm just feeling... You freak out on me and it hurts. Well, you earned it, bitch. You are a bitch.
01:36:26
Speaker
But there's only so much time you could take with a fucking annoying ass fly where you're like, I'll just be so pissed. And I'm like, I'm about to rip everything apart. And then I'm like, Alex is actually the whole, he just hangs out for flies only.
01:36:45
Speaker
And then you got, like, some old lady or some family, like, you know, trying to play Frisbee and they're looking over at you, like, what the fuck is matter with this dude? Like, yeah. But it's a goddamn fly. But I feel like everybody goes through it. Families, are you watching him play Frisbee? Everyone outside the party is about to murder. It's his last thought. It's his last thought. It's a kind of San Francisco shit. It's his last memory. I don't know about families. Yeah, that was the thing. I was there in Griffith Park or whatever that fucking tower is.
01:37:14
Speaker
So I'll say sodomy tower or whatever And I and then I just saw all those families playing frisbee Why a tower no, what the fuck is that tower called the big tower? It's a Columbus right Christopher Columbus I don't know isn't it dedicated to him or some shit? I
01:37:41
Speaker
Christopher Columbus. Did Christopher Columbus even come to the California? Fuck if I don't. I don't know where he went. He didn't even know where he went. Exactly. That's his whole story. His whole story's like, I just showed up and killed. Would you guys be opposed to a fly remake? No, I want to do a remake of the fly, but it's going to be called The Cat. Oh, God. And a guy, it's a love story, actually. Oh, no. And...
01:38:08
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Let me pitch it to you. This is actually my real romance movie. It's called The Cat. Okay, well, you're losing me when you said it's a fly sequel. So this man is in love with this girl, and she's obsessed with her cat. All women are, I don't understand women obsessing with cats, but he's like, I'm gonna be real friendly with her cat. I'm gonna get the cat to like me. So when she leaves the house, he sneaks into her apartment and hangs out with the cat.
01:38:37
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So stay with me. Stay with me. Yeah. So her boyfriend like kind of finds out because he was like going to sneak in to like surprise her with like some flowers and chocolates and stuff. And he sees it at all. He sees the guy with the cat. He's like, you fucking cocksucker. I don't know what you do with that cat. So he takes the cat and the guy and he throws them both in like a big ass nuclear waste pile.
01:39:04
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and the cat dies, but not before it gives all its DNA to the guy, and he becomes a cat man, and he gets a little trench coat. He's got claws, and then the big scene is when he goes up and sees the girl, because he kills the boyfriend, and the girlfriend's like, oh no, is that you, Fluffy? Fluffy walks out, right?
01:39:33
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And it's a guy, and then he's like, it's me. And like, it's a silhouette of his like weird barbed cat penis growing. Oh God. And she's like, no. I don't know where he goes from there. You know, they're laughing. If they laugh, I wouldn't have said it.
Leadership in Creative Projects
01:39:56
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I wouldn't have said it. You're so nervous. No, but yeah, it's called the cat.
01:40:06
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I'm not laughing, I'm crying. What do you think, Alex? You want to make the cat? Don't do that. We can cut that out. We could do the 16 mil. There you go, 16. Okay, yeah. Let's make it eight. Let's save as much money as we can on this one, okay? Yeah, and he's like, oh, I'm so hideous with my barbed cat dick. And she's like, well,
01:40:36
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They said, like, cats, you can fuck. And he, like, goes to the zoo and fucks a lion. What? The fuck? Yeah, and then that's the sequel. It sets up the sequel with, like, the cat lion. Lion cat man. Yeah. University of Lion King. And this time he has a duster. He's Mufasa's father. Circle of life and stuff. So, was that all the questions from the main discussion? I didn't ask a single one from the main discussion.
01:41:04
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Your joke? No, yes you did. Oh, one. You asked a lot of them. Sure. I have a thing in front of me. Should I open it on the podcast? Let's finish the questions. Oh. Do you know where we left off? Yeah.
01:41:25
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How was your prep different from working on projects you lead and the ones you work on to help? Oh, very simple, man. We're talking about Uncle Rico and I wasn't too sure on what you and Alex were deciding, you and Tom, Alex, Tom, Tom, Alex.
01:41:52
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because, you know, Alex, this is his concept. And then you wrote the story. And so you had a distinct vision of how you wanted the story. So it always felt like you two are like the lead people, but certainly, um, following whatever the director tells me to look into. And then if you want me to do more than that, I will, if not.
01:42:18
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Whereas when you're the director, I think you kind of have to know all those answers. Yes. To some degree, right? It's like, no, I know you'll put in this extra effort. So let me actually get you to do this or no, you're, you got enough going on. And then also just, um, whatever other smart parts sounded to that. Cause I kind of forgot they're a little bit tugged in a shirt. Alex. Do you mean to repeat the question?
01:42:45
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Um, yeah, yeah. Can you repeat the question, please? How was your prep different from working on projects you lead and the ones that you help work on or you're not the lead? Um, well, I think first of all, it's a relief when it's like the ones, you know, that you're helping, you know, uh, you, you can be more like, like, you know, regardless if it's like,
01:43:13
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whatever role you're trying to fill, you can just like focus on that. You know, like if the ones like the ones that you lead, you're you're wearing not only are you wearing a lot of hats, but then like you said, you're kind of trying to think ahead on like where that person is. You know what I mean? Are they being overwhelmed or like what almost like an orchestrator, you know, like what can I push this person to do?
01:43:39
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So it's definitely the ones you lead to me are way more complex, even if like, let's say, let's take the ones that you're helping on is let's say you're filling a role that you still like you've never have like messed with before. Let's say like you've always done lighting, but they put you on on, you know, DP.
01:44:02
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Compare that to the ones that you're leading entirely. I feel like that's still more complex. And you're doing a lot more than just filling multiple hats, but you're also trying to think ahead and delegate. That's heavy, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a huge difference. Why'd you ask the question? It's a good question, though. And that's what I was saying.
01:44:30
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Just hearing that question is like a relief when I'm thinking about the ones I'm just helping on. I'm like, yeah, that's cool. Like it almost sounds like I'm just I am relaxing because it's like, oh, fuck. Yeah, one job or one job at this time. And you want me to do something else later? Fuck yeah, that's perfect. But like where you're at, goddamn, I'm sorry. Well, I feel so sorry for that person because it's rough. It's really fucking rough.
01:44:58
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Well, I'll say for me with this project, I've definitely taken a backseat. It's like, yeah, whatever you guys want. I'll do, but let's do it in whatever is the best sort of operation. So script breakdown and then really figure it out. And then once we start doing this, I mean, it's really like.
01:45:16
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All right. This is the next one. Let's do it. Yeah. So when it's time to start working on another project, what are the first steps to consider? Well, I would definitely say to continue on with what I was talking about in this sense, where you get that momentum going, right? Because we just had a meeting with your, um,
01:45:37
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Buddy Anthony and then his friend DJ. And it seemed like we all got along pretty well. And they knew the circumstances of what this project would tell and what we're offering. And they're still willing to do it. So it's like, fuck yeah, man, you guys seem like you know what you're doing. And if you don't, well, we know what we're doing too. So we'll figure it out. It's like, there's no lose-lose in a sense, right? If they can deliver on what they're saying, it's like, fuck dude, hell yeah.
01:46:07
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And even if they can't, but they're still there, you know, it'd be like, yeah, man, definitely. So like it, we're in just such a good fortune. So there is that positive momentum like, okay, this is really starting to go in a good direction. We're not getting negatives. The only negative is our own lives getting in the way, right? Like not having production meetings at a certain schedule, all of that, giving it to the fatigue of everything else, but certainly
01:46:36
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we're getting that positive momentum going. And I think once you get that, you really should chase it down. Yeah. You know, cause it's rare to really get like, okay. Cause you know, I mean, look at us on Bubblaski. I mean, what more needs to be done on it? A couple months maybe of work on the script, if that, and literally it's just sitting on it. Cause it's pretty much ready to go and we could start pre-production this second.
01:47:01
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Well, dickhead is kind of exactly in the way. That's what I'm saying. There's all these other things in
Balancing Filmmaking and Life's Responsibilities
01:47:06
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the way, right? For all of us, regardless, you know, families, work, everything else. So, you know, in our situation, once you get that little bit of momentum, that's when I think it's good. Cause you know, and then the nice thing is we all have each other to lean on too. Yeah. You know,
01:47:27
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You gotta be a team, because you can't do this on your own. Yeah, for sure. I couldn't. I couldn't take on another project head on my own right now. Well, yeah, you guys are, to various degrees. I mean, I'm at the point to where I just wanna... I'd rather make sure I go all in as much as I can. The older I get, I guess, you know? I mean, not to say that I'm old. No, but I mean, still, you're thinking about your future.
01:47:56
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No, but like, you know, it's like I was thinking about like I was the other day when I had a fucking terrible hangover, right? Like it was fucked. It was really bad. I was taking I was probably chugging whiskey because I thought it was like I was like, damn whiskey so good. And I was like, I love you. Chugs like, you know, way, way beyond my skill set.
01:48:21
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Yeah handling that so I the hangover the next day cuz like much over the time when I get drunk It's mainly beer. Yeah, I was like dude. I never heard of the drinking. Yeah, so fucking when when I'm having yeah a night where I'm drinking a shitload of beer and whiskey I'm trashed next day hangover with shit, and I was like dude like this is definitely a
01:48:42
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doing some severe like this fucking up my health for sure. And you know, I was like, okay, how much time am I spending in that compared to filmmaking? And if either or if somebody said, hey, either one of these things are going to kill you for sure.
01:49:01
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I'm like, dude, well, I'd fucking much rather be, like, actually spending the time filmmaking and fucking trying to- Mauled by a bear. Like, mauled by a bear? Yeah. Right? A little bit, right? Mauled by a bunch of queen ants. Oh, fuck. That's cool. Shit, I said a bear, man. We don't gotta get the ants in here. Mauled by a school of- The bears are far away in the ants. They're so under our feet.
01:49:24
Speaker
But you know what I mean? And so going forward, thinking about these projects and stuff, and it doesn't get easier. You have more kids, you get older, you have more responsibilities and work, but I mean, man, we gotta fucking figure out a way to make it happen because there's so many shitty fucking movies and shows being made out there. It's like, there's no fucking way.
01:49:52
Speaker
Whatever fine, they can they made it and they're making a living doing it, but there's there's so much bad work out there. It's like Fuck man, like that that needs to stop and the people who actually care should should be able to get their chance I think we definitely deserve our chance But yeah, I mean there's nothing more I could ever ask for. Yeah, I think we could do it too. Honestly
01:50:18
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Well, that's what I'm saying. It's always so good to chase that momentum when you feel it, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, yeah, we're tired, but it's like, shit, okay. It's gonna happen. If it's gonna happen this date, okay, then we need to... Yeah, we gotta do it. Start pushing on that too. And despite everything else we're working on. But see, you know where me and Tom succeed? Where you will get their grasshopper.
01:50:41
Speaker
as we work while we drink. And so it's never just one head, it's both heads forward. See, but, you know, maybe that would, what would help me a lot is to have another person who's willing to do that. Cause I, usually when I am getting fucked up, I'm getting fucked up with people who they're not editing anything. They're not fucking, you know what I mean? No, I think it's great. Cause, cause I mean, some, I mean, majority of the time we don't work.
01:51:09
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But then there's sometimes where we're fucked up and we're like, dude, let's fucking edit. And then we just get in this vibe, you know, because of how the alcohol weed work. And then before you know it, we've done like six, eight hours in one night all of a sudden and it's like, shit, we really made tons of progress. And I mean, I'm not saying for anyone to work that way. It is probably not a good way.
01:51:32
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but this is the way we've chosen, this is the way, this is the way we've done it, for better or worse, and amen, where there's a way, there's a way. Well, it makes it nice, right? Because, you know, I do feel guilty when I go out and don't work, when it's just like, man, I've gone out like every day this weekend, I should put in some amount of work, somewhere. But I don't think we should feel bad about going out, but then again,
01:52:04
Speaker
I don't know, maybe because I also feel like I abuse it when I start going out. I'll justify it too much. It's about balance. Yeah, it's that balance of finding that I'm still trying to get. Because it's like, well, if you go out every night, you're being irresponsible. But then if you don't go out, you burn out. Then it's like, well, do I go out one night? But then you go out one night and you're like, well, maybe I'll go out tomorrow.
01:52:28
Speaker
Tuesdays pretty free. Yeah, and go Tuesday. Oh, yeah, and then it's like, okay I've got some money on dinner you got out two times, but then you know, it's like it's all it all just feeds into itself Yeah, it becomes this negative. It's also I feel like not only balanced but but and what goes perfect with that is discipline like yes, you know discipline because yeah, they're like I think one thing that I've struggled with so many times is like oh
01:52:55
Speaker
It's Christmas. Okay, cool. All right. I'm going to chill, enjoy my time with my family, not work on anything. And then three weeks later, it's like, oh, it's Sarah's birthday. Oh, and then next week it's Tom's birthday. Oh, and then, oh, Sydney's birthday was yesterday, but we're going to celebrate it this weekend. And then, you know what I mean? Like, or fuck birthday is also stupid ass holidays or like, you know what I mean? Like, there's just so many things that come into play. Like I didn't mention baby show.
01:53:25
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Because that's small by shark day Look at it. We can't work. We gotta celebrate being mauled by sharks
01:53:37
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But yeah, Alex, you're absolutely right. It's easy to find excuses to not work. I mean, it's really easy. But where do you think that really comes from, right? American society. No, that's just our behavior. That's stemming from something personal, right?
01:53:57
Speaker
Like sometimes I would say maybe it's fear that keeps me in the way of myself. And maybe the fear of success because then that spotlight's on me. Or at least if, and this is just me spouting, I don't even know, but I've been thinking about it, you know, certainly like, or maybe it's a fear of, yeah, of success because then success brings that spotlight and then within that spotlight you fell.
01:54:23
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you know, and then the I guess maybe that links to the imposter syndrome, right? They'll just see through the truth and see how like, how much you suck, you know? I mean, so I think maybe there's that because I certainly like I'm obsessed about it and I will find a way to do it.
01:54:42
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Up until the finish line and then I really fucking Then it's like I'm crawling up the fucking mountain, you know inch by inch But up until that point like I'm fucking gun ho on it
01:54:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely I think there's that's a good reason. But there's I think there's a multiple multitude of reasons. And I mean, just depression, exhaustion. I mean, the fact is, these aren't our full time jobs. Yeah, none of these, none of us have the luxury of being able to just say we're full time artists. This is all we do. We all have people we that depend on us, you know, bringing home paychecks.
01:55:28
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And that's the unfortunate truth of it. And when you've got, when you're spare hours are in, you know, three, four, maybe a week. And then it's like, yeah, because you were right. You know, you've talked about this last time where you're like, if it was just one hour a week, it'd be done eventually. Yeah. Right. You'd eventually be done. But that's like that one hour.
01:55:52
Speaker
You want to warm up an extra burrito or get that next bag of Doritos. Because you also got to psych yourself out for it too. I don't know, at least that's all I am. I got to pump myself up.
01:56:06
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And then also the one thing that I hate too is like you do psych yourself up and then you start working and then it's like, oh, it's bedtime. I got it. And then you're like, fuck all that. And you have all this ideas and that you really have all this like rhythm and you have that momentum going, but you're like, I guess I'm going to bed because I got worked in the morning, right? And then you just like, that is a, that's a depressing feeling in of itself.
01:56:33
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Like when you're actually being productive, but then you can't be as productive as you want. And so like, there's like, it's just like a, you can always find a reason to fucking make it hard for yourself. Yeah.
01:56:43
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It's like a really fat reality check, especially like when you're talking about when you start getting into it and you're working on things and you're like, damn, like, yeah, I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow because I'm bleeding out of my ass and then I got to go to work and then, oh, fucking, I got all these bills and like, oh, fucking, I got to take somebody here.
01:57:05
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it's that that that part's I think one of the hardest is the balance of like life responsibilities and filmmaking because that's not how you're making a living that's the unfortunate part if you are god bless you because at least that still isn't you know a slight upper hand yeah you know sometimes I'll I'll see people posting stuff and it's just like you don't know how lucky yeah
01:57:30
Speaker
You have it to have this to have the life, but I mean, I know I don't think any of us would kid ourselves in thinking that it's an easy life. I don't think any of us would kid ourselves in thinking that you don't have to work your fucking ass off because you absolutely have to work your fucking ass off. But the thing is to actually be able to put food on the table doing that work.
01:57:57
Speaker
fucking like planning and figuring that out and working and executing that. It's just so much more rewarding. The nine to five grind or the 10 to nine grind or whatever the fuck you're doing, it just eats at your soul, right? Like you're just losing yourself into this void of capitalism bullshit, I don't know.
01:58:22
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going into like a routine, you know, just a very programmed fucking lifestyle. It's like, oh, I got home. I'm going to drink. I'm going to watch some TV. I'm going to go to bed. But don't you feel like that's how the work can be too sometimes? No, not really, because when we actually get to working on stuff, it's like it always feels like there's something being done. And yeah, but I think you can also work on things that just
01:58:51
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working for the sake of working with no real progression, for instance. Well, I mean, I'll use myself as an example, for instance, if I do another edit.
01:59:03
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Or it's like, oh, let me take another chance to break down the notes and go over this again. Sometimes that's working for the sake of just to work with no progress. I mean, there is a little bit of progression. I was gonna say, because whenever you're putting an effort, I think you do get a result. But certainly at that time, I mean, it's kind of like who's bullshitting who now, regardless.
01:59:30
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure that definitely is the case at some degree, but also, I think just at the same time, just giving attention to it is always a positive note because... Well, you've always said diminishing results. There's definitely diminishing returns. Diminishing returns. There's definitely diminishing returns to a degree because
01:59:55
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there's a point where you're probably not working at a level, a quality level that's professional because you're just exhausted, you're burned out, you're not really thinking about it. You're just trying to get through it instead of actually just trying to make it better or make it the best it can be. And I think it's hard to recognize when you're doing that because there's times when you're forcing yourself and there's times where you're just going. But I think for like other filmmakers out there that,
02:00:23
Speaker
You know, they may be stuck on an idea for a project or a project. It's just like, yeah, but you got to get out of your fucking head and you just got to say, Hey, you know, we're making progress today. We're pushing forward. And that's not easy. And I think you probably need drugs to help you with that, but definitely drugs.
02:00:40
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But yeah, sometimes you really just need that kick in the ass, right? And the best kick in the ass is the one you can give yourself. Because if you can motivate yourself to do it, that means you can inspire others to do better as well. So, I don't know. Cut.