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The Truth Of The Matter is- Episode: 157 Special Guest - Kim Sorrelle
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“The truth of the matter is” podcast is all about providing an honest, contextual, historicized, Philosophical and Psychological view of the Bible through the use of Hermeneutics, while sharing some personal experiences from myself and Daniel. We believe in applying God’s word to everyday life. Today we have Kim Sorrelle, a director of an organization called Speaker, and is an author of two books. Her first book, Cry Until You Laugh, is about her and her husband's battle with cancer after being diagnosed just four months apart. Her second book, Love Is, tells us about her year-long quest to figure out the true meaning of love, a sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that led to life-changing discoveries found mostly on the streets of Haiti. Today we spoke to her about her faith in Jesus Christ and it has changed her life.
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Introduction and Podcast Purpose
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Welcome to a special edition of the Truth of the Man of His podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan. I'm here with our special guest. But before we introduce and welcome her in appropriately, let's begin by recognizing and appreciating all of our new and consistent listeners. We thank you all in advance for continuing to press play at your own convenience.
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Now, if you are a first-time listener, we want you to know that The Truth and the Matter is podcast is all about providing an honest, contextual, hystereized, philosophical, and psychological view of the Bible through the use of Herman Newick's, while sharing some personal experience with myself, Daniel, and the invitation of a guest. We believe in applying God's Word to everyday life. Today, we will praise God for another new testimony
Introducing Kim Sorin and Her Journey
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that we will hear. We hope that after hearing this person's testimony,
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especially a woman of God and her journey that you will be encouraged and uplifted. We hope that you would also see how an encounter with Jesus Christ would guarantee that your life would not be the same. Now, without further ado, let's invite our special guest, Kim Sorin. How are you doing this morning? Jonathan, I am doing great. I hope that you are too. Thank you. I'm doing well. You know, it was in a
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at the communion garden, help my mom do some garden stuff. So that usually takes up my time on Wednesday morning. So that's usually how I spend my day after I've done some prayer. So what would you say, you know, is a normal morning routine for you? Well, I try to get up early and take my dog for a walk. And during that time, it could be easy to reflect and pray. And then I get my day underway. Okay. What's the name of your dog? Arlo.
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Alo. Okay. How long you've had him? I've had him just since December. Okay. Yeah, he's a great dog. Now if you don't mind, anything interesting happened to you in the last few weeks that you feel like sharing? Gosh, well, one thing I got asked to host a TV show. There's a network that doesn't have any Christian programming, and they realize they're missing out on a lot of viewers. And so
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They asked if I would host an hour long weekly TV show. I said, sure. Wow, that's beautiful. That's great, right? We need more believers in those spaces, right? Because the better, you know, the more believers in those spaces, the more God gets promoted and uplifted and glorified and
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I think that's a great opportunity and would definitely be praying for you. And I'm sure you'll use that opportunity and optimize it to its fullest. So here's some information about Kim, right? She's a director of a big organization, speaker and author of two books. Her first book is Cry Until You Laugh. It's about her and her husband's battle with cancer after being not diagnosed just four months apart. Her second book, Love Is, tells about her long quest to figure out the true meaning of love.
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a sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that can lead to life-changing discoveries found most on the streets of Haiti. And today we're going to actually tap into Kim's faith a little bit, learn a little about her childhood, learn about how her faith has perpetuated her to a place where now she's
Prayer and Early Aspirations
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living it out. She's living a Christian difference. She's sharing her testimony.
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And we're glad to have you here So without further ado before we get started here on the truth and the matter is podcast. We believe prayer Is how we're starting how we're finished. So anyone's listening then join in, you know balayas close your eyes lord Oh god in the name of jesus. We thank you for another day We give you all the glory honor and praise not because of what you've done but because of who you are
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Lord, as we enter into today's discussion, we invite you into our conversation. We allow the Holy Spirit to be present with us. Lord, you said anytime two, three or more gathered, there you are in the mist. So Lord, we ask that you open up all eyes to see or ears to hear or hearts to receive or minds to understand. Lord, I pray that we listen carefully to the wisdom that kin has to offer, that we learn and that we leave with a different perspective about you, Lord, and the impact that you have
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on others, especially in the individual attorneys. I pray for all listeners to be inspired, motivated, encouraged to chase after whatever their dreams and aspirations are. Lord, we say these things in Jesus' name and all in agreement, we say, Amen. Amen. All right, so Kim, let's see how we can get started. So where are you originally from? I am from Grand Rapids, Michigan. So on the west side of Michigan.
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Okay. Brothers and sisters of any kind? I have two older brothers. We're all almost exactly one year apart. So very close together. So growing up, what were some of your dreams and aspirations that you were trying to pursue? Do you remember some of them? Yeah. Well, I planned on becoming the first woman president. That was my goal. And so when I was in high school, I had my life laid out. I knew exactly what I needed to do to get there. And, uh,
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I didn't think a husband and kids might not fit into the equation, but as it turned out, it did. And I'm not president yet, but I'm younger than the current president, so there's still time. Absolutely right. Nothing out of the pill or a realm of possibility. So having a desire to be president, would you say that you have some interest in politics?
Shift in Focus and Career Path
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Well, I did have some interest in politics. That's changed for me. I'm not so interested in politics. I'm interested in people. And yeah, and politics tends to divide and I like to ignite.
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Got you. You know, the funny thing I always would tell some people is that, you know, some people said, I don't like politics. And I said, if you have an opinion that you have, you discuss and speak about politics. But I would say the difference between politics and government is that God is the creator of government. And I would say humans are the creator of politics, right? Because that's where the opinions live. So speaking about that, what were your interests? Were you into athletics, into any games, sports? Yeah, what would you say?
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Yes, yeah, athletics for sure. I played three varsity sports in high school, all the way through junior high and high school, basketball, volleyball, and softball. And I did some coaching while I was in high school as well, coaching younger kids. And so sports was a big part of my life. How has it helped you out in life in general? What would you say carry against talents and abilities? How did that carry over to the development of your character?
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Oh, in huge ways. Working with a team is different than working one-on-one. It's different than working by yourself. And to learn how to work with others, to perform with others, to have those grueling days, the two-a-day practices and the hot summer and whatever you have to go through.
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Uh, there's, you know, I've got some fortitude, I've got some stamina, I've got a good work ethic. I know how to work hard and know how to play well with others. Yeah, I agree. As a person that played football or ran track, there's something about, you know, sharing the stage with others. And I know a lot of people pursue, you know, sororities and fraternities, but you kind of get that same experience being around a team where you do everything together.
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you naturally become friends and you kind of go to war together, whether that's on the basketball court, football field, volleyball. So there's something to that. And it's sort of this, you know, brother ship or sister ship after we're just still discussing the conversations that's still going with each other. So yeah. So once you got to high school and to college, where did you pivot to in terms of your education? What was, what were you attracted to you wanted to study?
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Well, I, I entered college as a political science major because that's what I thought I was going to do. But, uh, I mentioned that I didn't think that a husband and kids would fit into my plans. Um, but I knew that if I ever were to meet a man, he had to have two things. He had to be over six foot tall because my five foot, nothing mom married a short man. I wanted my kids to have a fighting chances of my,
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And he had to be good looking, so he looked good in my wedding pictures. So I was obviously a very deep thinker. And May of my senior year in high school, this man walked into my life, and 10 days later, I asked him to marry me, and he said yes. And we got married a little less than a year later. So I was 18, and he was 22. And so I went to school for a bit, but then I stopped going to school. I actually started a business.
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so that my husband could go to school and finish his degree first. Nice. That's like, you know, sacrificing because you see the potential and the dream in someone else's life and somehow being able to support knowing that you believe that person of a breakthrough. So you'd mentioned, you know, being able to deep, you know, to think deeply. And I'm a philosopher. So what would you say are some topics of discussions that you love to dive into, that you like to speak at?
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you know, length about that you're passionate for. Oh, love, love is a huge one. I think love is very misunderstood.
Understanding Love and Personal Loss
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And I think we try to philosophize it. Is that a word? Sometimes too much because it's, you know, in John, it says that God is love. Not that God loves, but God is love.
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And if God is love and we're created in His image, that means that we're love also. But you have to know what that means. What does it mean? So it's not a feeling and emotion like sometimes we think or, you know, people break it apart and the different kinds of love. But when it boils down to it, love is love. But you have to know what it is in order to live it. Yeah.
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I would agree with that because the biggest thing for me when I got saved was I was trying to understand how to experience God's love. And it was in 1 John that I learned quite a bit about love. And one of the things I learned is that love is a choice. Love is a sacrifice. But what Jesus says is that no one has ever seen God. Well, John wrote this, but if we love one another, God's love
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is within us and therefore that love gets distributed out. So a lot of people don't understand when we look at least Matthew 25 and it discusses the different things that, you know, Jesus says, if you've done these things to the least of these, you've done them for me. It's really understanding that your love for your brothers, your sisters, and whatever capacity at your limit that you can give is expressing God's love. Because if we are His ambassadors and representatives of Him,
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then it's our job is actually something I think we should consider that when we're seeing people, they people are not going to ever see God, but God can be seen through what we decide to do in regards to addressing their situation or their circumstance within our capabilities, of course, because we don't want to overextend. And then, you know, we're not realizing that, you know, Christ says that if we're going to give
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make sure you know that the expectation of getting in the back is not something that you should look forward to, but instead of give with a pure heart, a heart that you know that the person needs it much more than you do. So any other discussions? I know you mentioned love. Anything else that you guys discussed that you wanna share? Yeah, hope. Hope I think is a big one. You know, hope again is something that can kind of be misunderstood.
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just in that there's a lot of things we hope for, right? But what are the important things to hope for? And what does it really mean? What is God talking about when he talks about hope in the Bible, when Jesus talks about hope and the hope that we have and that you hang on to and that you don't lose, but you keep it going. So speaking of hope, you could dive right into how hope has played a role
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in your story, right? Because the two stories that you've mentioned, at least before we decided to come together, are some very extreme, you know, stories that I think a lot of people aren't familiar with. So you have the floor, you can share either story. Definitely intrigued to learn about the story itself. Yeah, well, about my cancer journey. Yeah. And so a few years ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer.
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And my husband four months later was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he passed away six weeks after that. And it was a tough time. Like I still to this day, you know how you meet people who it's like, there's nothing you've gone through that somebody else hasn't gone through. And I'm sure that's the same with this, but I've yet to meet anyone who has had this, you know, the below of a cancer diagnosis followed by the below of a cancer diagnosis followed by
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losing the love of my life. And so I didn't know how to handle it. You know, there wasn't really a book written about it, except, you know, drawing from the Word of God. But otherwise, it's tough to know how to handle it. And my husband was this incredible man who was on his face at 5am before God every morning, he got up early and
00:14:10
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read the Bible, read a devotional, and prayed. And he did that every day. And he chased God. He wanted more of God. He wanted to know more, be closer. And, you know, a hero is in my 40s and planned on this life with him for forever, right?
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At least until, you know, we're in our nineties and we're on porches, you know, rocking and rocking chairs and sipping lemonade. That was the plan. And then all of a sudden it wasn't. And so it was an interesting feeling because I was so happy for him. I was 47 and he was 51. And to go to heaven at 51, that's not such a bad gig.
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You know, to not pay another bill, no more illness, no more pain. Like, you know, that's not so bad. And I really felt like he ran the race, like he finished strong. And when he got there, he was welcomed with open arms and, you know, job well done. And so I was very happy for him, but it was really sad for me that the loss of my future, the loss of what I thought my future was and what I thought my life was, was turned completely upside down.
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Hmm. Interesting. So I have a question because this is definitely something that I discussed somebody with. And I want to get your thoughts being that you've had someone that was so close to you that you was, you know, was with you every step of the way, at least as you, you know, pursue the journey in a life together. When you think about funerals,
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You know, I would say those who don't believe in Christ and aren't sure of what, you know, the next life is for them. They seem to be a bit more sad and they seem to be, you know, I would say people that want to celebrate his life. Rather when I think about the Christian and, you know, if you read the book of
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Ecclesiastics, it says there's a time and place for everything, but it seems much more that we're much more content and uplifted knowing that we know where that person that we care so much has gone. And rather than look to celebrate the life, we look to celebrate the fact that that person has gone on to be with the Lord.
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Why do you think this social discrepancy between the two where you have those that want to celebrate the life and you have us as believers looking and rejoicing and are somewhat content with the fact that that person is going to be with the Lord so we rather celebrate that?
Faith and Upbringing
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Yeah, that's an interesting question and you know I don't know that they have to be two separate things but when you don't know what happens when you die when you don't have that faith and that
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that comfort and knowing, then I can't imagine it has to be so tough to think what is going to happen? What if the Christians were right? What if, you know, there's a heaven? What if, you know, there'd be a lot of questions and there's something wonderful about having that assurance and knowing that there is a God.
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And that he loves us and there's heaven and we'll see each other again. And I think that's part of it is in knowing that we'll see each other again, that it's, you know, bye for now, but it's not bye forever. And there's something great about that. But I think also there is something to celebrating life, celebrating the life of someone.
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Like my husband's life was definitely a life worth celebrating. We coached varsity volleyball. I coached varsity volleyball for 17 years, a couple years in. He got the bug and joined in and was my assistant. And, you know, we saw a lot of girls go through the system. I coached basketball for 25 years and he was a wonderful employer. He was a wonderful friend and well-respected and just a great guy, just a humble, wonderful man.
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And so there's something to be celebrated in that that then people can look at it and go, wow, that's the way to live your life. There's something to celebrate about that. So what would you say are a few things that he rubbed off on you that you probably picked up on that you might do in remembrance of him or that he has impacted you in a certain way that you've adapted and added on to your daily routine or the way you live your life now?
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Well, I'll start by telling you something that I really miss about him. And that is, I was always the talker. He was the quiet one. And if I said something that I was going a little too far, or he didn't think was the right thing to be said at the moment, he'd just say, Kim, and shake his head. And then I'd go, oh, OK, time to be quiet. And now I don't have anybody saying Kim and shaking their head. So I just say, whatever I feel like saying, I guess.
00:19:19
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But yeah, his faith, I mean, it was wonderful to grow in faith with him. And I so admire his practice of mourning prayer. And everything was about prayer. Everything was about God and the center of our universe, the center of our lives. And the way he treated people, just everybody with kindness and respect,
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with any sort of judgment, any sort of anything else. There wasn't a time ever that I ever heard him say a negative word about somebody. You know, his attitude was we're all individuals and can make our own choices. And you might not like some of the choices other people make, but we're called to love everybody. And so and with love, there's no judgment. There's no condemnation. And so that that rubbed off on me for sure.
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But the thing that made me really question is love, is the true meaning of love. I wanted to honor him with my life. I didn't want to wallow in the depths of grief. I wanted to be able to come out of that and really honor him. And so I wanted to make sure I was living life right and doing it right. And so I went after it. I decided I would figure out what love really means.
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powerful. I've always, I've come to learn that love is to give the expense of oneself to benefit the one who is to receive it. And that's a sacrifice, right? That's something that you're hoping that whatever actions that you're trying to implement or, you know, suggest to a person, they take it into consideration and then look to apply it. Now I want to talk to you a little bit about, you know, your,
00:21:14
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Would you say that you grew up in a church home where everything was pretty solid? What was your childhood like in terms of how your faith developed way before you even laid eyes and met your husband, your future husband? Yeah, well, I was raised Catholic and always believed in God. We went to church every Sunday. I went to Catholic school, part of my growing up. And my parents,
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We're really faithful people that loved Jesus. And I grew up in a home that that's what we did. You know, we prayed before meals. We believed in the power of prayer. We believed in God and how important that he's the number one thing in our life and that we should live our lives to honor him. And so, yes, I was raised in a great home that way.
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Okay. So what made you pivot from being a Catholic to be more on the Christian side? Was that ever a change or do you believe you sort of embrace both sides as you get older? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, Catholics are Christians. So, you know, sometimes people confuse that, but it's the same God, it's the same Jesus, you know, everywhere.
00:22:33
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all religions have little nuances, little differences, but Catholics are Christians. So I was a Christian growing up and I don't really remember necessarily a special moment. There were special moments for sure, where I connected with Jesus on a different way and a different level and grew closer. But we did, my husband was raised Catholic as well.
00:23:01
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and went through a really tough time before I knew him. He was in high school and he was doing drugs and doing bad stuff. And if I would have known him then, I never would have dated him because that wasn't my kind of guy. But his parents, he had a real bad trip one night and told his parents he was doing drugs and they wanted to get him some help. And so they took him to a counselor and that really didn't change anything for him.
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My father-in-law heard about these charismatic Catholic prayer meetings. And so the two of them started going to these prayer meetings every Monday night, and there would be a thousand people there just worshiping God and praying and loving on each other and loving God. And that completely changed my husband's life. That was the thing that took him away from the life that he was leading and heading toward to a whole different path.
00:23:59
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And so we got married in the Catholic church and went to the Catholic church for a while, but we were both hungry. We were just both hungry for more of the word and more knowledge and more everything. And so we switched and went to an assembly of God church for 25 years or so, and then a non-denominational church. And I love that. I love that I'm comfortable in any church.
00:24:29
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any Christian church. And I think non-Catholics have a hard time in a Catholic church. And people that have only ever gone to Catholic church struggle a bit in other churches. A lot because they don't know what's going on, you know, or what are they supposed to do? When do they clap or when do they shout hallelujah or when do you kneel or, you know, all that kind of stuff. And so there's a comfort level, right, with churches. But I'm comfortable everywhere. And I do have this new
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appreciation for the Catholic Church that I walked away from the appreciation for the Catholic Church for quite a while. But now I look and, you know, the prayer life of a Catholic is huge. And I love the Stations of the Cross at Easter time just to remember Jesus that way and his path leading to the crucifixion and resurrection. And
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There's so many things about the Catholic Church that are wonderful. There's a sacredness to a Mass, and that's a beautiful thing to be here.
00:25:41
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sacred. Yeah, I was only talking about the differences only because to some people, like you said, it's really, you know, lanes more on the theological spectrum in the traditional embracement element to it, where you have the difference of the communion take, where the, I would say the Prana state is once
00:26:02
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a month, and I believe Catholics are every week. And the depths of maybe how often the prayer, everything, it's a little bit different. And like you said, my experience of speaking to some, they find the freedom on the Christian spectrum to be much more liberated. But then they don't realize, and this is something that I've actually learned to appreciate as well, is that everyone
00:26:32
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that comes to Christ comes because they've acknowledged that they're broken.
00:26:37
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And in their brokenness, they come to the realization that Christ has the ability to put them back together. And because of this different experiences of coming to Christ and where they left from, to where they're running to, to get that freedom and for those chains to be broken, is on different levels. Some are leaving addiction, some are leaving places of abandonment, some are leaving places in which they feel as though that abusive stuff has happened.
00:27:06
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and therefore that they lend themselves much more in the spiritual aspect of praying and being a bit more intentional traditionally where the Protestants there's a little bit more of a lay-back perspective and point of view but I agree with you you know Christ didn't leave a blueprint on how to do church he said just worship me in spirit and truth so I think at the end that's ultimately what I think
00:27:31
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You know, I was kind of trying to understand the difference between leaving and going to a completely different denomination, maybe. Yeah. So let me ask you, what made you want to write a book? What was your, you know, what, what inspired you and motivated you to want to put your experience onto paper? Well, uh, my first book I started writing because I went to the bookstore after I received a phone call telling me that I had breast cancer.
00:28:01
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And everything was either depressing or real medical. And I thought, well, what does it feel like? What is it like to go through cancer? What about breast cancer? I didn't know anybody had been through it. And so I started writing really as a way to update family and friends. Hey, I'm going to the doctor tomorrow instead of making a bunch of phone calls. And it turned into a lot more than that. And before I knew it, 5,000 people were reading what I was writing.
00:28:28
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And, uh, that just on its own developed into a book I wrote for a little over a year. So I was writing when my husband was diagnosed and when he passed away. And, uh, so that's cry until you laugh my first book, because that's what you have to do. You know, it's, it's, it's good to grieve. You need to get through, through the grief and laugh again. And so that's that book. And then, uh, love is,
00:28:54
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When I decided that I needed to know more about love, I decided I dedicate a full year to figuring out the true meaning of love. And truthfully, I have a hard time committing to an entree when I go out to eat. So committing a full year to something was a stretch for me. But I just knew I needed to do it. And so I was writing as I was living this year, mostly in Haiti.
00:29:23
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that I decided if it ever became a book, it did. If it didn't, it didn't. I needed to do it for me. But it did become a book and then a publisher wanted to publish. And so that is Love Is. That's the second book. So what brought you over to Haiti?
Service in Haiti and Healing
00:29:40
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Well, when I was finally ready physically to go back to work,
00:29:44
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After getting through my cancer stuff, because I was still dealing with it after my husband passed away, I was finally ready. I didn't know what I was going to do. I had businesses, but I had people running them, and I was in the nonprofit world. I ran into the man who happened to be running an organization that my father and I had started 10 years before then. I ran into him between Christmas and New Years. I said, hey, do you need any help? What about bookkeeping? He's like, sure, yeah, that'd be great.
00:30:14
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So I became the part-time bookkeeper on January 1st, thinking I'd take life slow and figure out this new life. And 12 days later, there was an earthquake in Haiti that killed 200,000 people. So I went from part-time bookkeeper to 24-7. And within a couple weeks, I was in Haiti. And then for the next several years, I spent at least part of every month in Haiti.
00:30:36
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So what would you say being over there and because that's that's that's actually like very noble you because you know most people that when they see tragedy they run from it right they're like oh let me get out of here because you know they're concerned about what is gonna take for you to be amongst others within the mess that they're in.
00:30:59
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And it seems like you stayed there and wanted to be part of the solution versus those that want no parts of it. So what was the mental aspect of you wanting to be there in the midst of what transpired and wanted to be part of the solution? You know, service has been a part of my life my whole life. You know, I used to love when I was in junior high, I used to love to go to the home for old people, the old pokes home, as we used to call it.
00:31:28
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just spend time with people who never got visitors. And I loved projects where we needed to clean up or help people in some way. And my family was very service oriented. And so it was just something that I grew up with. And so I had been running a nonprofit before I was diagnosed. And so it was very natural for me to want to go. And then when I got there to see the absolute devastation
00:31:56
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And in a country that already has been dealt not the greatest hand with all kinds of natural disasters, hurricanes and flooding and different things that have happened there and government corruption. And it's just it's the toughest country I've ever worked in. And I've worked in several and it is tough. Haiti is tough. It's a beautiful place with incredibly wonderful people living in
00:32:26
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super tough conditions. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, when you were down there on the ground and being of assistance and being of help, what would you say were some of the positive aspects of the experience of being part of the solution there?
00:32:48
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Well, one of the biggest things, one thing that I didn't expect at all going in, cause I was just going into serve, but you know, you can't out give God, you know, there's just something magical, special, wonderful about that is that no matter how much you give, you're going to get more in return. And anyone who's ever been on like a missions trip for a week or whatever knows that, that, that you go to give and, but what you bring home is so much greater. And.
00:33:17
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One thing that I'd never been told but I discovered is that service is the greatest healer of grief. When you get outside yourself and you give to others, it's amazing how that heals the grief that you're going through. That was this wonderful thing that happened that I didn't expect, it didn't go for. But being a part of the solution, I just think everybody should do something.
00:33:46
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help the person next door to you, help the woman who's fumbling with her groceries and three kids, help her to the car with her groceries. I mean, we can be serving people all the time. And it kind of goes back to love. We're supposed to love everybody. And what you've said about love is absolutely beautiful. It's not about you, it's about what you can do for others. And that's what
00:34:12
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what it is and to just spread the love by whatever means possible, we should all be doing that. If we all did something, we'd be living in a different world. And so, yes, I have high hopes for Haiti. I think everybody does. I think all Haitians do. I think they need to get through this especially tough period right now. And I just am praying that it happens faster, sooner than later.
00:34:41
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And, uh, but in Haiti, uh, there are, I don't know if I met anyone who's not a Christian who doesn't know and love God. And I know a ton of Haitians. I've met a lot of people and it, they're, they are faithful people. They are people that when they pray, give us today our daily bread. They really mean it.
00:35:10
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Because eating every day is not something every Haitian does. Yeah. I don't know if you recognize this man. His name is Michael Janquik or Jayquiff. He actually has his own podcast as well. And it's the Catholic walk. And I'll definitely make sure I reach out to him. And he spoke about the differences between the limit, the stakes that a
00:35:38
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you know, a Catholic would go to be much more intentional about the given aspect. So I can see how that's definitely rubbed off on you in regards of not just your family, but really having the desire and the care. And more importantly, Jesus says, you know, if you want to be great, you know, sir, Jesus himself was a server as well. So it's important that we realize that as you stated so eloquently, you know,
00:36:04
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going out and having a desire to care about others rather than yourselves on Philippines too when it says don't just pray for yourself but pray for others as well is something I think that we have to be much more intentional and employ others to do because I think there's something about being able to have a helping hand to somebody else who is less fortunate than you
00:36:25
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And be more empathetic versus sympathetic aspect. Because the sympathetic aspect speaks more to saying I'm in a certain level of place of status. And therefore, once I'm done, I go back to it. But the empathetic aspect takes in consideration of the person's history. And then through that, can you be more intentional and hands-on of employing them to give them a better opportunity or a better situation?
00:36:51
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And I think that should be something we should strive to want to do. So speaking of your walk with Christ and your relationship in Christ, are there any music, any artists that you're listening to or that you always listen to that you don't mind sharing with my audience? Oh, yeah. I mean, so many, so many, you know, like I love just having Christian radio on and then you can listen to a lot of people. But I love David Crowder.
00:37:20
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Um, I think he's just so down to earth and the things that he writes are just beautiful. I love some of the old school stuff, you know, the BBNCC wine in and, um, uh, Amy Grant and Michael W and the, that kind of stuff. Chris Tomlin, um, I love, uh,
00:37:42
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When you travel, you get to hear other stuff, right? And so I love a deep spiritual song. I love there's artists in other countries that it's just a different style of music and it's just beautiful. There's all different styles everywhere. And so there's a lot of great ones out there. Do you have a favorite?
00:38:07
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So there's two individuals that have done albums in other places and I see how, for an example, I think Israel did some music in Africa and you see how the the hymns have reflected in the music and just how amazing certain songs are
00:38:27
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without the music like there's a song that Israel does with with uh trying to figure out what it is uh give me a second there's a song that he does uh Omega I mean God is Omega and let me just rather than mislead people let me make sure Alpha and Omega by Israel the way he does it uh with the
00:38:56
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the band in Africa. It's a completely different experience altogether. And I would say Ty Tribbitt, he did a song in Haiti too. It's like a completely different experience. You know what I'm saying? It's like you get your Americanized, you know, Christianity gospel music, and then you go out and you see how, you know, these people are how gifted and talented they are.
00:39:22
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and how they use the limited access of instruments to still create a beautiful sound. And we know that regardless of this, it's all sweet and beautiful to God. So I'd appreciate what you're saying in regards to that. And the exposure just brings you to see that whatever kind of worship and however you chose to worship, and we worship the spirit and truth, but let's not limit our understanding and knowledge
00:39:49
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of how a song could be or should be, but gospel can be converted into different things, and jazz, and classical, and R&B, and so many different things. God can be worshipped in those places, and I believe they're still acceptable. So that brings me to actually this, because this has always been
Gospels' Influence and Harrowing Experiences
00:40:10
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question of mine that I love asking my guess is so what would you say are some of the books in the Bible that have had a large impact and how you've changed the way you think because we know in Romans 12 to God said don't be conformed to the powers of this world will be transformed by the renewing of your mind and I'm a big opponent believer in
00:40:33
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that the quality of your thinking can determine the quality of your life. And when I look at some of the choices you've made when you pivot from politics and that you started your own business and that you were in that particular arena, and it's actually a book that I'm reading. It's like The Secret Business is a Bible by Daniel Latham. And he talks about, you know, your gifts, talents, and abilities. And this is me, because I love this quote from Aristotle when he says,
00:41:01
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At the intersection of your, at the intersection of life, Elijah gives talents and abilities, and then there lies your purpose. And your gifts, talents, and abilities usually help you where God has gifted you, help you jump into what your ultimate purpose is. So when you shift it from saying, okay, this is what I thought I wanted, but this is where I know I belong. And it's evidence of that, of traveling and being a server. What would you say?
00:41:30
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books in the Bible that you've read that help you recognize and appreciate what God has given you, and now you're living and moving in it. Well, the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, I love the words of Jesus. I love the actions of Jesus. I think sometimes we don't talk about that enough, about that Jesus came not just to die, but he came to show us how to live.
00:41:58
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his life is one to be emulated. And we can focus so much on the cross that we get away from the life that he led, but his humility, his love for everyone, his never discriminating against anyone, never a moment of devaluing
00:42:20
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Anyone everyone had the same value and that's the way it should be and he was about peace and love Tons of love and tons of peace, you know and that we should all be getting along you mentioned Matthew 25 earlier
00:42:36
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Yeah, I mean, that's what we should be doing. We should be helping each other. We should be supporting each other. And we should be loving everybody. You know, I think sometimes you hear people say, well, I love everybody. I love everybody. But those darn Democrats, you know, or I love everybody. Those Republicans, you know, whatever. Well, then you don't love everybody. Then you don't love everybody. Or people, it can be easy if you've not traveled or if you don't get out of your own circle so much.
00:43:06
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to think that somehow there is a status with people, that if you live in the US and you have this and you have that, then you're somehow higher than someone who lives in Kenya, who lives in a tribe and he has nothing at all, lives in a hut made with cow dung and whatever, that somehow we're smarter than or better than, and that's just so absolutely not true. You know, we are all
00:43:35
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beautifully and wonderfully made in the image of God and we are all we all walk on the same earth and we're all of the same status and Jesus hammered that home you know it's like hey not one of us is better than another but also not one of us is worse than another and so
00:43:54
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I love the gospels. I love everything Jesus had to say. Yeah, so as one that has three brothers, how is your relationship with your brothers? I have three, no sisters, but how's that relationship like?
00:44:12
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Well, it's interesting. I had an interesting thing happen that hurt my family. My mom, we were adults, we were in our 20s, and my mom committed suicide. And my dad remarried pretty quickly. And dealing with the suicide was hard enough. I mean, that's the toughest way to
00:44:36
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have somebody leave you, you know, it leaves you with questions. And it was really hard. That was a hard thing to work through. But my dad remarried right away and married a woman who had kids. And so their lives became focused on those kids. And my brothers and I kind of drifted apart, because we used to do Sunday dinner together, you know, we used to do a lot of things together. And all of a sudden,
00:45:01
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You know, we can have one day around Christmas with my dad, but pretty much every other holiday, every other thing is her family. And so I think that really did a lot of damage to my relationship with my brothers. I love my brothers dearly and I love their families. I love my nieces and nephews and I feel connected and feel close. I just think.
00:45:26
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we could be closer, like it could have been a different situation. I had my mom.
00:45:32
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Not done that. My mom had lived. I mean, so I would believe you still love them. And there's always an opportunity for open arms if you and your brothers ever united and not have a conversation, right? Do you think they would have the same approach? And you guys were race Catholics. So is any of that still essential in their lives? Do you know anything about that?
00:45:59
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. My brothers are Catholic. They raised their families. Their kids are all Catholic. And they love the Lord and serve the Lord and they're generous and kind and do things, do a lot of things for other people.
00:46:15
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And, um, yeah, I can pick up a phone anytime I want and call them and know that they'll take my call and we can chat. So, you know, it's kind of like those old friends that you have that you get back together with and it's like, no time has passed. Yeah. You know, it's kind of, it's kind of like that.
00:46:32
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Because I was going to say, man, rather than bringing your gift to the altar, go make peace and come back and give you. That was the first thing that was coming to my mind. So there was something you talked about your experience with a motorcycle gang.
00:46:48
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You mind talking about that one? You mentioned some interesting stuff. I'm curious to know. I love great stories. One of the outcomes is bad. I still think there's something positive that you can learn from those experiences. Oh, my. Yes. Yeah. Well, it was during the time that I was really in search of it. Is this in the book, by the way? It's in the book. OK. Yeah. All the stories are in the book. OK. We don't want to tell all the stories. OK. We don't want to ruin all of them, then. Yeah. At least actually about two of them.
00:47:16
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Okay. All right. So what I did when I did this year of figuring out love is I took first Corinthians. Love is patient, love is kind, doesn't envy, doesn't boast, and worked on one word a month.
00:47:30
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to figure out what is love that is patient? What is love that is kind? Things that I figured out blew my mind. Not one of them was what I expected. And so each chapter starts with what I think it's going to be. We all know what patience is, right? We all know we're not supposed to get angry. Whatever. We all know these things. But love is or love is not in front of it, and it changes everything. So that particular month I was working on, love does not easily anger.
00:47:57
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And I thought, well, this will be easy, you know, whatever. But it took me till the end of every month, kind of had to hit me over the head with something to go, this is what it means, you know, whatever. But I was crossing the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. There was a truck that I needed to take over to the Dominican Republic. And I was with two friends, two American friends, both men. And I've always been told, don't stop on the Haiti side. And anytime I've ever crossed the border,
00:48:24
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The building on the Dominican side, first you get your stamp from Haiti, then you get your stamp from the Dominican Republic, both in the same building, just kind of down the hall from each other and you're on your way. And so we got to the border and people are waving us down, trying to stop us. And I'm like, no, no, no, don't stop, don't stop. So we went through, we got to the other side and this Dominican man came up to us, fortunately speaking English.
00:48:49
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and said, no, we were supposed to stop on the other side. And so he helped us arrange for a couple of motorcycles to take us back to the other side to get our passport stamped. We left one of our friends with the truck because we had a lot of tools and stuff in it, you know, make sure nothing came up missing. So he stayed. Two of us went over to get our passport stamped and we'd agreed on a price with the guys driving motorcycles. We'd agreed on a price before we went.
00:49:15
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And so I knew what it was going to cost. And so we went over, we came back, and when they were dropping us off, they wanted more money. And I said, no, no. We paid you. We paid you. You named the price. We didn't dick around the price at all. This is the price you said, and this is the price I'm paying. And I walked away.
00:49:40
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and went and got my passport stamped and then got in the truck and we're driving. And the Dominican man who was helping us out needed a ride. So he hopped in the back of the truck and then my friend was still in the back of the truck. My other friend was driving. And all of a sudden we hear them yelling from the back, go, go faster, go faster, go faster. We're like, oh, what's going on? And then we realized that rocks were being thrown at us. Not like small rocks, like big rocks were being
00:50:08
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thrown at us like it hurt somebody and so we just started going like my my friend just put the hammer down and drove as fast as he could and
00:50:17
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And then motorcycles were behind us. And then sometimes the motorcycles were coming around on the side of us. And this whole gang of motorcycles was chasing us. And my friend was driving like Mario and Dready. Like sometimes I felt like we were on two wheels going around curves. And he was just driving as fast as that truck would go to get away from these guys. And fortunately, eventually they stopped following us.
00:50:45
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But man, our adrenaline was flowing. It was nuts. If we were to stop and they caught us, I don't even know what would have happened. I didn't know. It was scary. It was tough. And we finally got our adrenaline down a little bit where we could talk. And my friend turned to me and said, what was that about? And I said, well, it's probably because they wanted more money when they dropped us off. And I told them no.
00:51:13
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And he said, well, how much more money did they want? And I said, $5. And then I thought, you know, this was not worth it for $5. Like I should have just given the man who needs to feed his family $5, you know, whatever.
00:51:32
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And, uh, so anyway, um, that is that story. And, uh, there's more to the story as the trip went on, but, um, it was, uh, it was a crazy, crazy day. Way to leave a cliffhanger. So what's this about snakes and, and, Oh my goodness. And tarantulas. Well, that month I was working on love keeps no record of wrongs.
00:51:59
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And I was kind of dreading that month because I thought, well, you forgive people, but you don't forget the things that happened to you. So what does it even mean? And at the end of the month, I was contacted by a pastor in the United States asking if he could see this water project I'd been working on. And they expressed interest in helping. And so I'm like, sure, come on over. So he brought some other guys. So eight guys came from the US. And I brought two Haitian friends, both men,
00:52:28
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to translate and to help with the water project because they knew it inside and out. And we drove out into the countryside where we were going to stay. And it was just this little building with two rooms. And each room had four twin-size beds. So eight American men, two Haitian men, and me. But we brought a couple cots. And we brought an air mattress. And I thought, we can move beds around. You know, we're OK. It's all OK.
00:52:54
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We no sooner got there and saw the rooms, then the head of the guy that had contacted me from the US pulled me aside. Kim, Kim, can I talk to you? I'm like, sure. And he said, did you see the rooms? And I'm thinking, buddy, there's nothing else to see. And then I thought, oh, he's asking me because he's going to think I want my own room. So I'll just say, well, it's okay. I'll sleep outside. And he'll say, well, no, if anyone should sleep inside, it should be you. And I'll say, well, I don't care.
00:53:22
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if there's other people in the room and he'll say good, because there's only so much space. So I said, well, it's okay, I'll sleep outside. And he said, oh, good, good. Because we've got men on this trip that would not be comfortable with a woman in their room.
00:53:35
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I thought, oh my word, what did I get myself into and why was this the response? It didn't go like it was supposed to, like my head was telling me it was going to, but I said I'd sleep outside, so I had to. But there are tarantulas and there are snakes and chupacabras or whatever is lurking in the bushes of Haiti. So I was scared to death to sleep outside. But I saw this piece of plywood kind of held up by a couple wooden structures. I thought, well, if I sleep under that, at least if it rains, I won't get wet.
00:54:04
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But in the end, I was praying out, Lord Jesus, please do not let anything come and attack me and maim me in any way. So the first night I went to bed and the air mattress held air for about an hour. And it was so loud. Dogs were barking, horns were honking. That kept me up till after midnight. Finally that died down. And then two a.m. or so voodoo drums started in the distance and that went for a couple hours. Finally that stopped and I was able to doze off and get some sleep.
00:54:35
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First night came and went, everything was fine. Second night, same thing, no air in the air, I'm laying on gravel, dogs, the horns, the booty drums, finally I'm asleep. But I woke up because there was something on my leg. And I was scared to death.
00:54:50
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was so afraid, I was thinking, does Haiti even have the anti-venom to whatever it is that's about to bite me? Can I get air lifted to Miami in time to save my leg? You know, like what is gonna happen? So I slowly lifted my head and I slowly opened my eyes and it was a chicken. There was a dang chicken on my leg and I didn't know whether to be happy that it wasn't something worse or mad that it woke me up from the little bit of sleep I was getting.
00:55:17
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Third night came and went, nothing happened. Fourth night, same thing, I'm on the gravel, the dogs and horns of booty rums finally asleep. But again, I woke up because again, there was something on my leg. And again, I was petrified. And again, I slowly lifted my head and slowly opened my eyes. And again, it was the chicken. And again, I didn't know whether to be mad or happy. But but that night we had chicken for dinner. So the fifth night came and went with no problem whatsoever.
00:55:47
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And I'll tell you, at first I was bitter. I was thinking, who do these men think they are? I would hope that my sons would not treat a woman this way. What are they thinking? They were treating me subhuman, right? You go sleep outside. You're not as good as we are, so you go sleep outside is what it felt like.
00:56:04
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And I didn't like that. And I was upset because they didn't even offer for my Haitian friends to sleep inside. They just assumed the Americans should get the rooms. And so my Haitian friends slept under this.
00:56:18
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kind of porch, whatever. So they were safe from the rain as well. And they had the cots. So they were above the ground where the tarantulas crawl and snakes slither. So at first I was bitter. And then I thought, you know, bitterness only hurts me. And they don't even know I'm mad. And I'm the one that offered to sleep outside. Like, what right do I have to be angry? And then it hit me. You know, love keeps no record of wrongs. I finally understood what it meant.
00:56:48
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that it's not that you forget things, because you don't. You remember the things that happened to you. But the narrative changes. The tone of the story changes. And we control that. We control the narrative, the tone of every story we live, we control. And so instead of these rotten guys that did this rotten thing to me, now it's just kind of a funny story that I lived through, and I now could sleep
00:57:14
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anywhere in the world and be perfectly fine. And so it's changing the narrative, changing the tone.
00:57:21
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Yeah. I don't know too many women that'll be willing to sleep outside. And I don't know two women that's like, not, you know, you're supposed to be a gentleman. I guess they probably wasn't raised well, or they're probably operating in completely different rules. Or maybe that's a Western society thing. I don't know. Yeah, I know. I was really surprised by it. And maybe it's because I was living in Haiti.
00:57:51
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they figured I'd be comfortable. I don't know. I don't know what the reasoning was, but whatever it was, I learned about love that keeps no record of bronze. And so it was worth going through the experience to figure that out. So having that experience, how do you feel when you go back to your own bed now? Is that much of a difference? Because I know some people are very tedious about
00:58:13
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you know, the mattress, the silk sheets potentially, the blanket, electric sheets. Like you slept everywhere, right? Where you've had to figure it out. Like how do you how do you compare and contrast the experiences now? Does it not matter to you? Or how do you feel your sleep now? Yeah, I mean, I appreciate my bad. There's no doubt. And I think, you know, anytime I go away and come home,
00:58:42
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It's always nice to be back in your own bed again, but I really don't care where I sleep. I just went on a trip with a couple of friends that I've known since high school. And, uh, we went to Israel, Jordan and Egypt. It was an amazing trip. And there were times that because there were three of us that somebody needed to sleep, you know, on a pull away or on the floor, you know, wherever, and if that ever came up, I had no problem being the one.
00:59:09
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to sleep on the roll away or sleep on the couch or sleep on the floor.
00:59:15
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Yeah, it doesn't matter to me so much where I sleep. And how's your back feel? Nothing going on? You good? Your back's good? No, my back's good. OK. OK, so before we close, I do have one question.
Faith in Coaching and Resources
00:59:31
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Going back to your days of coaching, how did you take your relationship with Christ and then encourage those who didn't might necessarily believe in Christ? Oh, yeah. So where were you with that? Yeah.
00:59:45
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Yeah, I was never afraid. I was never afraid to let anyone know exactly who I was and who I am in Christ and my identity. And so I talking to the team before a game, talking to the team before a practice, I often put a scripture and often brought in real life experiences with God and
01:00:15
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It was just kind of not a problem, I guess. OK. Yeah. In this day and age now, I remember Dion, who does that quite frequently, complaints made about his adding his faith into it. Mark Jackson, who's a commentator for the NBA, he implemented a lot of his faith, and now he can't get a job. So I always wondered, when you're doing that, there's a friend of mine named Charles Rogers, who actually
01:00:45
Speaker
You know, he's retired now. He's a morning on the chaplain. He's a chaplain now. But for my university where I met him, he was a counselor and he was in charge of the dorms. And he would tell me, you know, I would implement Christian methods, but I just won't add a book or verse to it.
01:01:02
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But it's who I am, that's what I've always done. And if I've had people give me the Quran, he said, I'll put that on the shelf for display, but it doesn't impact the way that I think and who I am. But if they give me a gift, I'll put it there, but that's as far as it goes. So I always wondered, the beautiful thing about sports, regardless of the background,
01:01:24
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what you believe you come together for a common goal and that's to win or to be the best that you can be. And it's always good to see God being implemented in different walks of life. And as you stated, what you're pursuing and going into now, hopefully if you've accepted the responsibility is, it's a huge responsibility to be a voice
01:01:49
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in this culture and in this environment. And I'll be praying for you, because I really think that's an honor. And I think that's admirable, what you potentially are about to walk into and be a part of and have an influence in, right? God sends us all out to do things. And I'm just glad to know that this is something that you could be stepping into doing. Yeah, well, thank you. I really appreciate that. And I always feel bad when people can't express their faith.
01:02:19
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because everyone should be able to express their faith because it's who you are. It's like, well, tie my hands behind my back and blind me and then I'll commentate, right? I mean, it's taking something away from you. And so I always preface things with, well, the way I believe is, I believe in an after-all.
01:02:44
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And so, uh, you know, I think it kind of makes a difference. Like, you know, believe how you want to believe your love tooth. You can believe however you want to believe. I happen to believe in an afterlife and I believe in heaven. I believe in God, you know, whatever the conversation is. And, uh, people should be able to do that without it being threatening. And it seems like that's the reason they're not allowed is because somehow it's threatening.
01:03:12
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And it's like, let your guards down people and realize we come from different places and it's okay that we come from different places. It's okay. We have different opinions, but if others are allowed to express opinions, Christians should be allowed to express the opinions as well.
01:03:31
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Yeah. That's where it should be. Yeah. Jesus said, in this life, you're going to face true relation. In this life, you're going to face retribution, trials, true relations. Two verses that come to mind, 1 Peter 3.15, always be prepared to give for the reason, for the hope that you have, but do it gently and respectfully, which I believe we should aspire to try to do. And Colossians 4.6, make sure your speech is always seasoned with salt.
01:03:57
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So there is prudence, which is godly wisdom, godly discernment, godly judgment, so that you know how you ought to answer people, which I believe is the process we're supposed to have. You know, we're looking at Romans 12, verses 14 through 17 that talks about being at peace with everyone, getting along with others, even if we don't believe in the same thing.
01:04:21
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And I always think about Luke 9, 51-56, that speaks at length about the disciples wanting to call fire down, which is what Elijah did. And instead, Christ rebukes them and really wants to tell them that the gospel message is accessible to all and it's a choice.
01:04:42
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So we are ambassadors and representatives of Christ. We let our light shine before others, Matthew 5, so that we know how we ought to answer people. And those who worship God, those who can worship God, let your light shine before others so that they may worship the Father who's also in heaven.
01:05:03
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So it's really very passive, but it's our approach. And finally, 1 John, when he says, God is light in him is no darkness. If we claim to be in fellowship with him or yet walk in the darkness, we don't live out the truth. So that truth is supposed to be seen in us. And it's not always aggressive and nasty, but it's gentle, it's respect.
01:05:27
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so that people can ask you about your faith. And I think through that is where we share our testimony. It's a choice, it's a suggestion how we can maneuver and live life in accordance to God and how we can be holy as He is. So I want to make sure I give you the floor, where can people find your books, your podcasts, any other, you know, sources of information about you that they can listen to if they want to tune into you.
01:05:54
Speaker
Well, I am literally the only Kim Sorrell spelled my way in the entire world because my last name is obnoxious. It has way too many letters, two R's, two E's, two L's, S-O-R-R-E-L-L-E. But kimsorrell.com is my website. I'm on social media. I'm pretty easy to find because I'm the only one spelled that way. And my books are available on Amazon and kind of any bookseller. My latest book love is
01:06:22
Speaker
is available on brick and mortar stores as well like Barnes and Noble. So I'm pretty easy to find and I've got some things on my website, some helpful free things that you know, if you go to like I've got a 14 day love challenge that if anyone goes to my website and signs up for and does it, I will send you for free a WWLD what would love do.
01:06:46
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wristband because I think, you know, Jesus is different to everybody. You know, to some he's the guy tipping over tables and to some he's peace and love and light and to some he's, you know, he's God and to some he's a heretic and, you know, or a prophet. But so answering the question, what would Jesus do can be a different answer for everybody. But love is universal. So if you can answer things, what would love do? You're going to be doing the right thing.
01:07:14
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Yes, I want to thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate what you've brought and what you've shared. And I'm definitely going to be looking into buying your book and maybe come on and discuss as a part to some of your chapters because I do find what you're doing. And where God is taking you, I think without a doubt, you're going to need prayer. We all need prayer, by the way.
01:07:36
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but you'll need prayer to continue to press on for what God has called you and what your purpose is. So if you don't mind, could you close out a prayer for us? I would love to. Lord Jesus, first of all, thank you for Jonathan. Thank you for his willingness to take the time and effort. It's not easy to put on a podcast and thank you. I pray that you bless him in it. I pray you bless his podcast that it becomes known more and more to people everywhere.
01:08:05
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because it's so relevant and it's so helpful and it's such a wonderful thing to hear God's word. And Lord, I just pray for everyone listening. I pray that love fills your life, that joy fills your life, that peace and contentment fill your life, and that your faith in God goes stronger and stronger every single day. In your only name we pray. Amen. Amen.