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A Clockwork Orange
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📖✨ In this episode of Book Watch, Jonathan Moody joins Saraqh-Daye to cover the first of our Spooky October Series: A Clockwork Orange — Anthony Burgess’ controversial 1962 novel and Stanley Kubrick’s iconic 1971 film adaptation. How do the book and movie stack up against each other, and what makes this story so enduringly unsettling?
💡 We explore:
✅ The book’s infamous language (Nadsat) and how it translated to the screen
✅ Kubrick’s bold stylistic choices and their cultural impact
✅ Key differences in the endings—and what they mean for Alex’s character
✅ Why Sarah-Daye didn’t quite make it to the end of the book (and what that says about the story’s lasting effect)
🎬 Whether you’re fascinated by dystopian classics or just curious about why this adaptation sparks such debate, this episode takes you deep into the ultraviolent world of A Clockwork Orange.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Appearance
00:00:48
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Hello listeners and welcome back to Book Watch. I am back after a summer hiatus and I am ready to kick things off with um a Halloween season.
Jonathan Moody's Work and Platforms
00:01:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um and we are going to start that off with a Clockwork Orange. And today I have Jonathan Moody with me. Jonathan, why don't you introduce yourself, your podcasts, and kind of why you picked this book?
00:01:15
Jonathan A. Moody
All right. ah My name is Jonathan Moody. I a co-host a show called Indie Film Cafe with my buddy Paul. um I'm also a filmmaker with Sick Flick Productions. um I also have other you video like YouTube pages like the Blu-ray Hunter and Horror Film Lovers.
00:01:32
Jonathan A. Moody
which are, you know, also, but they're just like a little bit different than Indie Film Cafe. So they're not in that grouping. um And that's
Challenges with 'A Clockwork Orange' Book
00:01:42
Jonathan A. Moody
it.
00:01:42
Jonathan A. Moody
I'm, you know, it's funny because Sarah and I were talking earlier and and the thing is she's a book reader. i am not really.
00:01:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:01:51
Jonathan A. Moody
and so I, i'm I'm just, I just don't have the focus to really read a lot, but um you know, i'm really excited to chat about this actually.
00:02:01
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, and it's funny that you say I'm the book reader because full disclosure to my listeners, I could not finish this book. So this is going to be more of me just interviewing Jonathan as opposed to a conversation like past episodes have been.
00:02:16
Sarah-Daye McDougall
And i am I'm interested to see how you feel about the two. um But the main reason, and we're going to talk about why, but the main reason was this book was there's two reasons why it's hard to follow. And I was listening to it.
00:02:34
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah.
00:02:34
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Clockwork Orange was written by Anthony Burgess in 1962. The audio book was narrated, or at least the version that I started listening to was narrated by Tom Hollander, which was a treat.
00:02:49
Sarah-Daye McDougall
The film was adapted and directed by Stan.
Understanding NADSAT and Book Origins
00:02:53
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Stanley Kubrick in 1971 um and I want to talk about the complete cultural impact this movie had but let's go back to the book and why it was hard for me to follow Anthony Burgess almost created his own language he kind of um merged um you know some English words with other words and they call it NADSAT um And that was one of the main reasons why I had trouble reading this book or listening to it on audio.
00:03:23
Sarah-Daye McDougall
And then the second reason was just how brutal it gets. And that's just not something that I can stomach very well. So um I would like to come back to it because I do like to challenge myself and I do want to work through the NADSAT.
Personal Experiences with the Book
00:03:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
But I'm definitely going to have to take this book in chunks and spend like some time doing and take breaks, like read a chapter and then read some
00:03:41
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah.
00:03:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
nice romanticy, then go back and read another chapter.
00:03:48
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, something like that, yeah. um Actually, NADSAT, the language, is a mixture of Russian and Yiddish. So um that's what ah Anthony Burgess had told ah Malcolm McDowell when they we talked about it.
00:04:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:04:06
Jonathan A. Moody
And he actually came up with it when he was in Moscow. And there was these ah hooligans who are you were like staring at him. and everything and he came up with the clockwork orange uh based on the uh there was a phrase queer as a clock clockwork orange it meant like it was strange as a clockwork orange um which just means it's strange as a um sort of ah
00:04:24
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:31
Jonathan A. Moody
a person ah a something that is mechanical but looks you know normal and ah you know on the outside so it's it's great like i love the i love the language but i get i get the whole like not being able to follow it um but the main reason i because you asked me like what i wanted to do like this wasn't your pick you know um and i picked it because it was one of the few books that i actually read when i was a kid like i that i
00:04:37
Sarah-Daye McDougall
huh
00:04:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes. Right.
00:05:02
Jonathan A. Moody
um So I wanted to watch the movie and my dad was like, I'll let you watch it, you know, if you read the book. And back then the book had like the glossary of terms in the back that when I, when I had, so I would go back there, I'd read the thing and I'd do that.
00:05:15
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:05:17
Jonathan A. Moody
I did that really quickly. I think I did in three days.
00:05:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right, which I can't do listening it to it on Audible. And um if you don't know, i i live on Audible. I love Audible. And that's why always say who the Audible narrator is too. So um I don't have the luxury of doing the glossary. But again, if I can get the hard copy book and spend some time going through it slowly, um i can use the glossary.
Film Adaptation and Cultural Impact
00:05:40
Jonathan A. Moody
and Exactly. So yeah, in the glossary, yeah, I didn't have the and the glossary in this. I have have this version um of the book, and it actually has the the last chapter, which we'll get into later, I'm sure, but the the final chapter, which is not in the American version, this is in an American version that has the final chapter, and they actually talk about at the end as a as a thing of ah why they put that back in there, as they think it's
00:05:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes.
00:06:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Awesome.
00:06:09
Jonathan A. Moody
culturally you know needed for everybody. So I loved it. I like i really loved reading. It's not... it's
00:06:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
It's not for the faint of heart.
00:06:19
Jonathan A. Moody
it's Yeah, it's um it's a book that will you're in the mind of somebody who does really malicious, nasty things and does not feel sorry for anything that he's doing for most of the time.
00:06:36
Jonathan A. Moody
And he tries to make you feel sorry for him most of the time. And ah you can't, you know, because how nasty he is.
00:06:43
Sarah-Daye McDougall
here Yeah.
00:06:45
Jonathan A. Moody
And um um that's why i like the movie, because the movie really does... kind of make Malcolm McDowell very likable at times, you know, even though he shouldn't be, you know, likable.
00:06:57
Sarah-Daye McDougall
ah He's a very charismatic actor.
00:07:01
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, and then and he was actually Stanley Kubrick's only choice. um was if
00:07:06
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:07:08
Jonathan A. Moody
i think i was I heard that if he hadn't ah if Malcolm McDowell hadn't he hadn't found him, he didn't see another movie of his, he wouldn't have ah made the movie because he was trying to find the right person and nobody fit the bill until he saw Malcolm.
00:07:25
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:07:25
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah.
00:07:27
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Interesting. Very cool. um So that's a little bit about NADSAT and why it's kind of difficult to read um like physically. um On the other side of things, this bit this
Stanley Kubrick's Legacy and Casting Choices
00:07:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
book actually got banned. And he um there was a lot of controversy about the stuff that happens in the book. And then in society, people started copycatting the crimes that were committed in the book. So Anthony Burgess himself, i can actually, I can't remember if it was the book or the film. I think it was the book.
00:07:57
Sarah-Daye McDougall
had them like ban the book and because to stop the ah the the copycat crimes. um But it's just, it's very graphic and um it's so it's hard like morally and and mentally to get through the book as well.
00:08:15
Jonathan A. Moody
i can I can see that. I can see that people would read the book and then think, oh, that would be fun to do. And you know i mean like really bad people would be like thinking, oh, man, these people just go around and do all these nasty things to random people at night.
00:08:25
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:08:31
Jonathan A. Moody
And i mean we do have that. We have those kind of people anyway. you know But like kind of giving them ideas and and other stuff is not usually good, but like it's fiction.
00:08:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:08:43
Jonathan A. Moody
like this isn't this this It wasn't a real thing that actually happened you know or anything.
00:08:48
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:08:49
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:08:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Exactly. um But all of that aside, this film still has um like a long lasting cinematic legacy. Like I knew exactly i had never seen this film, read this book. But when you said that's what you wanted to cover, I knew exactly what you were talking about. Like I'm involved in the cinematic in industry in a way.
00:09:12
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um So like it's not like I'm a stranger to it. um So it's definitely had a lasting impact. You want to talk a little bit about that as a filmmaker yourself?
00:09:21
Jonathan A. Moody
right and then first of all i wanted to say like because i was like i was looking at your you know subscribe to your channel and i was looking at this stuff on youtube i was like oh she has pride and prejudice she has jurassic park and now it's going to be a clockwork orange for me and this is completely like out of left field for like probably even like your subscribers you know or whatever
00:09:34
Sarah-Daye McDougall
ah
00:09:44
Jonathan A. Moody
um i
00:09:45
Sarah-Daye McDougall
But that's why it's perfect for to kick off Halloween.
00:09:48
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, I think for me, Stanley Kubrick is probably... Like, this is my favorite Stanley Kubrick. My co-host Paul and i i have a thing where he loves The Shining, which is also another ah book.
00:10:03
Jonathan A. Moody
ah
00:10:03
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes, Stephen.
00:10:04
Jonathan A. Moody
But, you know, yeah, Stephen King book that he adapted, and which is, I mean, someday maybe we'll do that because that's... a that's those That movie and that book are completely different, so much so that they actually ah they actually did a...
00:10:18
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Really?
00:10:21
Jonathan A. Moody
um ah they had they had Stephen King you had to hire somebody. thank you
Modern Reception of 'A Clockwork Orange'
00:10:28
Jonathan A. Moody
i don't know if was Mick Garris or one of those directors, but he had to hire somebody that directed...
00:10:34
Jonathan A. Moody
his version of it and stuff so there's another version of it but the steve the stanley kubrick version is like by far like everybody's favorite except for stephen king um he just
00:10:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:10:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah. Well, he's a master filmmaker, it seems.
00:10:48
Jonathan A. Moody
if
00:10:52
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah he's a very master filmmaker i'm a huge fan i like almost every one of his movies um i don't think there's
00:10:58
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Can you name a few more that he's done?
00:11:00
Jonathan A. Moody
He did Full Metal Jacket, which I absolutely adore. um He did 2001 Space Odyssey, Lolita, is very controversial. Lolita.
00:11:08
Sarah-Daye McDougall
OK.
00:11:10
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:11:10
Sarah-Daye McDougall
What was it?
00:11:11
Jonathan A. Moody
lolita
00:11:12
Sarah-Daye McDougall
OK.
00:11:13
Jonathan A. Moody
Okay, so Lolita is a movie about like a young girl and an older man. And like there's this sort of yeah relationship and stuff.
00:11:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes. relationship
00:11:23
Jonathan A. Moody
And they did do like another version, like another remake um that I think Adrian Lin did. and it was not um it was And people still love that one, um the girl who played it.
00:11:35
Jonathan A. Moody
I feel bad for her because she's much older now. She's, I think, older than me. And she was on like her live on Instagram. And you know people can chat on there?
00:11:47
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yes
00:11:47
Jonathan A. Moody
Everybody was going, Lolita, Lolita, Lolita. And I was like, and like I think her boyfriend got pissed because he was like, she's not you know she's she's not that person anymore.
00:11:52
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:11:56
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, that's not who she is.
00:11:58
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, kind of thing.
00:11:58
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:12:00
Jonathan A. Moody
But ah that's you know that's what people remember her from is Dominique Swain. Kind of feel bad for her.
00:12:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:12:05
Jonathan A. Moody
But um you know because that's that's a pretty hardcore role. Like a young girl, she's supposed to be like 15.
00:12:11
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:12:12
Jonathan A. Moody
She was probably 18 when she you know, acted in it.
00:12:14
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Sure.
00:12:15
Jonathan A. Moody
Maybe, maybe. But ah that's that's the thing. So um yeah, he's done controversial ones, but he's also done movies like The Killing, which we've covered on the Criterion Watch, which is our one of our videos that we do for indie film cafe and we you know there's there's a ton i mean uh barry linden is fantastic i mean just everything he's he did um and uh his newest movie eyes wide shut is not newest but his last movie before he passed away eyes wide shut starring nicole kidman and uh tom cruise
00:12:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Okay.
00:12:51
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yep.
00:12:52
Jonathan A. Moody
That is actually getting a Criterion release, so that will finally you know kind of be – people are respecting that because it didn't get the respect and the you know when it first came out.
00:12:57
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Hmm.
00:13:06
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, right.
00:13:06
Jonathan A. Moody
ah you know
00:13:07
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Well, it was, I have not seen it, but I remember it coming out and that was also, was it controversial or was it just, but okay, yeah, that's what I thought.
00:13:08
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:13:14
Jonathan A. Moody
It's a little controversial, yeah.
00:13:17
Sarah-Daye McDougall
I was i was he much younger when that came out, so I don't remember quite, yeah.
00:13:21
Jonathan A. Moody
and I think it was 99, I want to say. But and that was like the last movie he did before he passed. and And so he left a legacy.
00:13:28
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Huh.
00:13:30
Jonathan A. Moody
had a you know
00:13:30
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:13:32
Jonathan A. Moody
He had so many great movies. I mean, um I'm probably missing a ton too that offhand.
00:13:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right. Well, I put you on the spot. But let's move on to our characters and the actors that portrayed them and how you thought they brought these characters to life on screen. Of course, let's start with alec delar Alex DeLarge, played by Malcolm McDowell, who you've already kind of talked a little bit about.
00:13:55
Sarah-Daye McDougall
But what did you think of his portrayal?
00:13:57
Jonathan A. Moody
Oh, fantastic. Probably, it should have been up for an Academy Award. they They have four Academy nominations, and they didn't win anything, unfortunately, but it just goes to show how much of an impact it did have on a Hollywood.
00:14:11
Jonathan A. Moody
So,
00:14:12
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah. um If it came out this year, like in today's world, what do you think the nominations or wins would have differed?
00:14:12
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah
00:14:21
Jonathan A. Moody
That's question. um I don't know. i i think... I think as a society... We've kind of tried to get away from...
00:14:32
Jonathan A. Moody
like The ultra-violence that's in the movie... And everything.
00:14:36
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:14:36
Jonathan A. Moody
like We're trying... and like like it I think we were talking beforehand... Before the ah thing happened... This would be a great TV series. you know This would probably get Emmy nominations...
00:14:48
Jonathan A. Moody
For a TV series or something...
00:14:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes, yeah, we were saying.
00:14:51
Jonathan A. Moody
As a movie, i don't think it would have ah and don't think you can make it as a movie because people don't even like nudity in movies anymore. um If you've noticed, like there's less and less of it. in the But there's a lot of it still in like HBO and
00:15:05
Sarah-Daye McDougall
HBO, yeah.
00:15:06
Jonathan A. Moody
you know and whatnot and they they're very okay with still putting that up there until the day they stop putting it up there then i think as yeah i think no because like if you took away the like the nudity and the the violence and everything you get nothing like that's literally the the thing that you know makes us you know
00:15:22
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:15:26
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Well, I was just reminded of the boys on Amazon and how violent that show can be and how um how often they kind of push the to the you know push to the edge of what's controversial or not.
00:15:30
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:15:42
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah
00:15:42
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um So I bet like something like Amazon or HBO like we already mentioned would be good but um um I know we're talking offline or would did you mention on the podcast about how Malcolm was the only actor he wanted for the film.
00:15:58
Jonathan A. Moody
i not I don't remember if it was offline or on, but no, he was yeah he was sort of, ah there was interviews and other things, and there was a great commentary from,
00:16:09
Jonathan A. Moody
Malcolm McDowell and ah the late ah Nick Redman, who chatted about ah they throughout it. And I think Nick brought it up to him as saying, I heard that you were the only one.
00:16:23
Jonathan A. Moody
He said, yeah, that's what I heard too, is that i'm the I was the only you know ah choice for for him to play him because he saw him in a movie and he said that's but you like his look, just his look.
00:16:34
Sarah-Daye McDougall
That's him. Mm-hmm.
00:16:37
Jonathan A. Moody
And they even talk about the beginning of the movie. There's that shot, like that opening shot of them in the milk bar or whatever. And he kind of just gives that look to the audience and everything kind of like, and Steve, he did not know Stanley Kubrick didn't tell him to do that.
00:16:49
Sarah-Daye McDougall
okay
00:16:54
Jonathan A. Moody
And he add as he, Stanley Kubrick, ah what is it? ah Said, did you just kind of cheers to the audience? And he goes, oh yeah, I wanted to let the audience know were in for a hell of a ride.
00:17:06
Jonathan A. Moody
you know and i was like i never thought about that like yeah that's that was it that was his nodding to audience that you're you're gonna be in something
00:17:08
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, you sure were.
00:17:14
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow. Wow, that's a really great nugget. Thank you for sharing that. um Okay, so next we have ah Mr. Alexander played by Patrick McGee.
00:17:28
Jonathan A. Moody
that was great yeah i loved i loved him um
00:17:28
Sarah-Daye McDougall
What did you... Yeah, I don't think any of the performances are bad in this movie. Yeah.
00:17:34
Jonathan A. Moody
It's funny because, yeah, Mr. Alexander, um which ah they might have mentioned his name once, but then they call them Frank. And it's so funny because in the book, he's F. Alexander.
00:17:47
Jonathan A. Moody
You know, like that's how he's like once his. his And by the way, i don't know if you know this or not, because I don't know how far you got into the audio book, but Clockwork Orange is actually mentioned in the book.
00:17:56
Sarah-Daye McDougall
not far
00:18:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
ah
00:18:00
Jonathan A. Moody
You know, so when Alex and his droogs, his buddies, go in to attack the ah the the typewriter guy, which is the ah Mr. Alexander and his wife and everything,
00:18:14
Jonathan A. Moody
um they yeah ah in the book, he stumbles across one of the you know things on the typewriter that says the Clockwork Orange. And he kind of tries to think of what that means. And he comes up with the idea and everything, which is not in the movie, because I guess Stanley Kubrick wanted you to guess on your own what but that might mean.
Adaptation Choices and Narrative Decisions
00:18:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Next up, we have Dim, played by Warren Clark.
00:18:43
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, he was great. he was He was fantastic. um I loved him. he thought he was fantastic. um you he was yeah I've seen the movie more times than I've read the book.
00:18:55
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:18:55
Jonathan A. Moody
So like i I know i could remember sort of things. And so I could picture him when I was reading the book. you know And i mean, that guy is that that guy was so great.
00:19:08
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Georgie ah played by James Marcus.
00:19:12
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, um he was great. Once again, it's different when you read the book. um The characters kind of swap around and stuff, and they kind of, you know, like the ending has the two cops being Billy Boy and ah Dim, and not, I think it was Georgie and Dim.
00:19:34
Jonathan A. Moody
And Georgie, so, you know, it got me all confused. So we'll talk a little bit about that later when we get to toward the end.
00:19:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
and
00:19:42
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah Jurassic Park did that as well and kind of like combined characters and switched some characters around and yeah it does get um yeah um okay and then the last character i'm going to mention unless there's anybody you want to talk about specifically is the Minister of the Interior played by Anthony Sharpe
00:19:50
Jonathan A. Moody
little confusing probably after reading the book.
00:20:03
Jonathan A. Moody
um I mean, everybody did a great job. um I don't think there was a, I don't think there was anybody there that I thought like was bad. I don't think, I just don't think, cause from what Malcolm McDowell said, he was very meticulous about who he who he wanted in the cast.
00:20:21
Jonathan A. Moody
So he would, he would actually, if something wasn't working out, he would, he would fire, you know, kind of fire them and hire somebody else if he needed to.
00:20:21
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:20:30
Jonathan A. Moody
And I just don't think he, would, They did audition after audition to find the right people and everything.
00:20:35
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah I mean he definitely had a vision that's for sure
00:20:38
Jonathan A. Moody
Yep.
00:20:41
Sarah-Daye McDougall
so anything else about the actors that you want to mention and how they brought these characters to life or maybe didn't bring them to life in the way you would have liked to see
00:20:51
Jonathan A. Moody
Well, um what i when I did notice was that reading, once again, going back to reading the book and watching the film, I guess that's what your whole podcast is about, ah is that um there were things like, which does the things would go on differently in the book than a lot of times that Stanley would bring it to life. And like one instance was the, uh, deltoid, the, um, PR deltoid, who was the, uh, corrective officer guy. Um, he, you know, in the book, uh, he, there the doorbell rings, Alex opens it up, sees the guy, ah lets him in, talks to him.
00:21:33
Jonathan A. Moody
And, uh, and then they have a, um, you know, he's on a rocking chair talking to him. And it's pretty much like the same conversation. There's not really, I, I thought like the book added stuff, but it really didn't. It was the same basic conversation.
00:21:49
Jonathan A. Moody
And then, but in the movie, like they're sitting on a bed together. He gets really inappropriate and like touches it, like kind of hits him in the, uh yarbles you know and uh and it was uh it was weird you know was different than than that and i i enjoyed that because that that's cinematic like that's you know somebody sitting in a rocking chair is going to be boring and that's the one thing that stanley kubrick does not like is boring you know there's like one scene where he's and i always thought this was the most boring scene in the whole movie and
00:22:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:22:26
Jonathan A. Moody
And I heard the commentary and Malcolm McDowell said that Stanley Kubrick was saying, oh, this is boring. And then Malcolm McDowell was like, hey, you know we need this. We just had like a crazy scene. We need a little bit of a we need a breather.
00:22:36
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, you need to balance it out.
00:22:39
Jonathan A. Moody
So we need a little bit of something that's going to take you away for a second of all that.
00:22:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yep.
00:22:43
Jonathan A. Moody
stuff and i said wow he's absolutely right okay now i'll i'll look at that scene maybe a little bit differently but like if were a kid i probably or younger you know i hope i wouldn't watch this when i was like a little kid but like you know i would have fast forwarded it because it's like a lot of it was like when he's getting his like stuff and they're like you know saying you know this and he also malcolm mcdowell mentioned in the commentary that
00:22:57
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:23:11
Jonathan A. Moody
ah He wanted to make sure that he was being up to – like being good to the cops or whatever showing he could be a – because there is a lot in the book that they cut out.
00:23:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:23:26
Jonathan A. Moody
And already that movie was two hours and 16 minutes. So I'm guessing that's –
00:23:31
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Which is pretty long for back then.
00:23:33
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, well, I mean, i guess if you – yeah, Dr. Zhivago was like three hours. if it was epic or something like that, this was not an epic.
00:23:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
right
00:23:41
Jonathan A. Moody
This was just a story. So, yeah, it was pretty pretty long for that kind of thing. Not long for Kubrick. Kubrick does long movies too. um He's very known for that. But, yeah, so the movie the movie's two hours to 16 minutes.
00:23:53
Jonathan A. Moody
If they had added all the different stuff in the first – The first chapter had a ton of stuff that was cut out. you know And I found out one thing. And I was kind of mad because I was like, this scene was awesome.
00:24:10
Jonathan A. Moody
But then I was like, but it fits for like the you know the ah later stuff that um Like, things got changed, right? And they actually filmed a scene where, in the beginning, the first chapter has the scene where the professor guy or whatever it gets attacked and his books get ripped up and everything like that.
00:24:26
Sarah-Daye McDougall
so
00:24:29
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm. Mm. The books.
00:24:33
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, the books got ripped up. and he Because cause he even said, like, nobody reads anymore. And that was just a you know talk in the 60s.
00:24:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm.
00:24:43
Jonathan A. Moody
um And people can probably still say that today. people you know People would rather watch a movie or play on their phone than they'd read.
00:24:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right. Yep.
00:24:51
Jonathan A. Moody
um But he ripped up the books, and then later you see him and a bunch of other guys, that guy, at a library beating the crap out of Alex.
00:25:03
Jonathan A. Moody
so But they filmed that scene with him getting the stuff ripped up. However, they couldn't get that guy back to film the scene with him in the library.
00:25:12
Sarah-Daye McDougall
no
00:25:14
Jonathan A. Moody
And so so they just made it the um homeless guy that gets beat up and then later on gets his buddies to beat up, which, I mean, works. But um that whole thing, you lost a whole section where ah Alex wanted to kill himself.
00:25:22
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:25:31
Jonathan A. Moody
Like there was a part in the book where he wanted, he was like, I'm i'm not going to i'm not going to be able to survive this. I'm just going to have to figure out how to kill myself.
00:25:40
Sarah-Daye McDougall
this is while he's getting the treatment.
00:25:40
Jonathan A. Moody
It was after the treatment when his mom died.
00:25:43
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Okay, but before he's released or at, okay.
00:25:46
Jonathan A. Moody
It was after he got released when his mom and dad kicked him out, and he was on the streets, and he was like thinking to himself, I'm not – if I can't – if I get sick, if I'm just trying to hurt something, you know i I can't do this anymore.
00:26:00
Jonathan A. Moody
I'm just going to go and figure out a nice, peaceful way for me to kill myself, and I'm going to read about it.
00:26:02
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:26:06
Jonathan A. Moody
So it's –
00:26:06
Sarah-Daye McDougall
So let's fast forward to the ending, the missing chapter, because in US version, and then the movie was based on the...
00:26:11
Jonathan A. Moody
Mm-hmm.
00:26:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Okay, so listeners, the US version was missing a chapter, the final chapter from the UK version. And the film was based on the US version. So it's a different ending than the actual book.
00:26:33
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Now in the... Movie and the US version, Alex survives a suicide. Correct me if I'm wrong, Jonathan. um Alex survives a suicide attempt and then seems to revert to his old violent impulses.
00:26:49
Jonathan A. Moody
Mm-hmm.
00:26:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Whereas in the UK version, um the there so this missing chapter, he actually is shown to grow older and is starting to tire of the violence. And the key kind of question is, did he change through, you know, maturity and growing older or through the, you know, treatment that he went through?
00:27:13
Jonathan A. Moody
right um yeah yeah that that was very pretty much very close to what what happened so basically at the end of clockwork orange the the american version and everything it just says i was cured because he does attempt to kill himself he jumps out of a out of a because he's listening to because I guess we we haven't really explained the plot thing, but like ah the whole ah whole idea is that he gets arrested ah for attacking this woman, and then he gets arrested and he finds out he murdered her.
00:27:40
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah Right.
00:27:49
Jonathan A. Moody
But he didn't plan to murder her, just planned to... like knock her out or whatever, get out of her way. And then the cops were coming, so he needed to run out. And his friends betrayed him and left and and broke a bottle over his head and made him blind. and he So he came to the um the police, and the police said, you know, you murdered this poor woman.
00:28:11
Jonathan A. Moody
So they put him in ah jail where he finds out that he has this
00:28:11
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:28:15
Jonathan A. Moody
ah That there's this technique, this new like experimental stuff that's going on that's supposed to allow you to get out of jail quicker. He doesn't care how it is. And I think even in his brain, he thinks, I'm just going to do whatever these people say.
00:28:32
Jonathan A. Moody
and then when they let me out, I'm going to back to my...
00:28:35
Sarah-Daye McDougall
right
00:28:35
Jonathan A. Moody
nasty ways. Well, they do that this hypnotherapy kind of thing where they put this like this experimental serum and it will make his eyes open up really wide.
00:28:44
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, and that's like one of the iconic shots from the film and then the trailer
Analysis of Key Film Scenes
00:28:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
is like that device holding his eyes open and like, is there like a TV flickering in the background too?
00:28:50
Jonathan A. Moody
no
00:28:55
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, well, he's watching. ah He gets to has to watch movies that are violent and nasty and stuff. And the things are making him, whatever he's watching, it makes him sick watching it.
00:29:09
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:29:09
Jonathan A. Moody
So he starts feeling sick. Well, the worst part is they put music in there too. And he loves music. That's the thing that like makes him human.
00:29:17
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Oh. Mm-hmm. Hmm.
00:29:18
Jonathan A. Moody
And he loves beethoven's ah fifth but ninth Beethoven's Ninth Symphony Fourth Movement.
00:29:22
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:29:25
Jonathan A. Moody
and they put that in there and by just it you know even in the movie that they're like asking him ah or they they they're because he's like this is a sin this is a sin please stop this is you know right and they're like what is a sin and he's like you're putting beethoven in this like i you know they're like are you talking about the background score and he's like yes yes stop stop i don't want to hear it because
00:29:47
Sarah-Daye McDougall
hello
00:29:52
Jonathan A. Moody
I love my Beethoven and now music, anything classical or whatever, especially in the movie. It made it especially Beethoven's ninth. But in the book, it was like Mozart, everything, you know, anything music.
00:30:05
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, I was going to say that is like the trailer music. It's like you've gotten the shots of all these violent acts and there's that classical music playing over the trailer.
00:30:14
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah. And so he, so that stuff makes him sick. So anytime he thinks about, even if he thinks about something, it's, it it makes him sick. So they're like, they even say he can't even kill a fly.
00:30:29
Jonathan A. Moody
And in his brain, he says, that's right. You know, your humble narrator can't even kill a, you can't even think about killing a fly because now I'm just thinking about how I'm going to do nice things for that poor fly that I'm thinking about.
00:30:42
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Oh.
00:30:42
Jonathan A. Moody
You know, and, and that is literally it. And so the idea is like, is he doing the right thing? Is he doing the wrong thing? Problem is he like, he gets beat up by all the people that, you know, are, uh, that, that he did wrong to and everything.
00:30:59
Jonathan A. Moody
The police are now, ah the, the, in the, I think in the book, maybe in the movie also, probably in the movie also, but the police are being like young hoodlums are being recruited for the police.
00:31:13
Jonathan A. Moody
by the way. um And they're recruited because of um you know his, ah what is it? his Because they're they're they're reformed in a way and they can they can kind of help like beat up all the bad criminals and stuff and get away with that.
00:31:30
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:31:32
Jonathan A. Moody
And so that's what they do. They beat the crap out of ah Alex and leave him out in the middle of the ah woods. And he crawls, um you know gets up, walks, and goes out to find the place that he had and unfortunately sexually assaulted a woman, and she ended up dying.
00:31:52
Jonathan A. Moody
You know, um and he didn't know that because and he never got caught for that.
00:31:53
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:31:57
Jonathan A. Moody
Like he had wore masks and stuff. So the man who came to the door and everything, um and it's different in the movie than it is in the book, because in the book, it's.
00:32:07
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:32:08
Jonathan A. Moody
uh one man and that's it he brings the guy he lets alex in and everything like that in the movie there's the uh there's uh the man and he has an assistant with him because he's in a wheelchair uh because he got beat up so bad ah and the assistant is david prowse who people may know as Darth Vader.
00:32:31
Jonathan A. Moody
So Darth Vader's in the movie does not say a word just like yeah the the guy who plays Darth Vader never actually says it. ah James Earl Jones does the voice. So um but David Prowse basically is a very tall guy and a muscle builder.
00:32:48
Jonathan A. Moody
And he picks up ah Alex and helps bring him and and and helps him out. And then ah he invites two of his friends, but he realizes that that's the guy that that came and attacked me, killed my wife, and ah he gets really upset.
00:33:06
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:33:09
Jonathan A. Moody
ah In the book, he finds it out through the language because he's like because at first Alex isn't using the Natsat, and then all of a sudden he starts using it, and he's like, wait a minute.
00:33:17
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:33:22
Jonathan A. Moody
and I know these words. I know what these people saying.
00:33:24
Sarah-Daye McDougall
right
00:33:25
Jonathan A. Moody
In the um the movie, it's ah ah he sings um Singing in the Rain. And when he sings it in the tub, he hears it. And the guy's like all frustrated from it because he knows that's the guy.
00:33:40
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:33:40
Jonathan A. Moody
it's like you know right And it made me like wonder, like because he is against anybody doing all this experimentation to him.
00:33:41
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:33:49
Jonathan A. Moody
and everything, like why did he get up?
00:33:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Uh,
00:33:54
Jonathan A. Moody
So he's he's OK, or he's not OK with people doing the experiment, as long as it's on the guy that he doesn't like you know that did that.
00:34:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
great.
00:34:05
Jonathan A. Moody
And I think that's sort of, I don't know. I think that's sort of I don't know if that's hypocritical or if that's whatever. but
00:34:13
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:34:14
Jonathan A. Moody
um So he brings his two friends now. In the movie, it's a guy and a woman. and the um In the a book, it's three guys that come. And they find out what happened. And they get his, are you really the guy that did this? And he's like, I am so sorry. That was a time. but but but He should have said no, you know lied.
00:34:36
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:34:36
Jonathan A. Moody
But um he didn't. He was very honest. And they found out was music that did it to him, that does it to him. They put music into one of the rooms. lock up the thing he can't get out and he goes and jumps out the window and tries to kill himself and survives you know yeah it's a crazy story um but yeah that's that's a lot and then then he does come out and so the to go back to your that was a long-winded thing but um
00:34:51
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:34:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah. It is.
00:35:07
Jonathan A. Moody
But the ending of the book, the last chapter, is you know, he's cured, right?
00:35:13
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:35:14
Jonathan A. Moody
And he gets three new droogs, you know, because the old ones are no longer around. One of them died. um They mention that in the book. They do not mention it in the... um
00:35:24
Sarah-Daye McDougall
film
00:35:24
Jonathan A. Moody
film and ah so it's you know he the final chapter is ah him and his three three new buddies and he's just he's like getting old yeah like he's 18 or 19 like 18 19 and
00:35:42
Jonathan A. Moody
uh which is another thing we can talk about in a second but he's like he's like i'm i'm ready to like settle down have a family meets uh he sees one of his old buddies uh one of his old droogs uh and there he's in got a he's got a wife now and everything's like he has like this life outside of everything and he starts walking around and thinking you know what i need to
00:35:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
right
00:36:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Wow.
00:36:08
Jonathan A. Moody
And my only problem with it, like I get it and I get why they did it. My only problem with it is it needs more than one chapter because it just feels like all of a sudden, yeah well because –
00:36:18
Sarah-Daye McDougall
It stops. Maybe like a sequel or something and how he
00:36:21
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah and Yeah, well, I don't – that would be interesting if they did sequel to O'Clock Records because, like you know like, where would Alex – like, Alex would try to – that would be kind of a – if they went the way that, like, the last chapter goes, would be boring because it would be like, okay, now Alex is just getting older and stuff, and know no violence or no nothing.
00:36:31
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Go. Mm-hmm.
00:36:45
Jonathan A. Moody
ah if he if they kind of stopped with that and changed the ending and had him continue to be this thing until he decided and to do that, that would be cool too.
00:36:55
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:36:57
Jonathan A. Moody
um But, I mean... I don't know. It's an interesting, I like, and like reading the ending and I learned through research that it was like, uh, chapters, it was three parts, right?
00:37:11
Jonathan A. Moody
So there were seven chapters in each part. So there's 21 chapters, which is when you're technically an American, an adult, you know, 21 each 21. each twenty one So that's why they wanted, he wanted 21, I think is what I heard.
00:37:26
Sarah-Daye McDougall
interesting so um are there any kind of like side stories or key moments in the book that you that were not in the film that you wish were in the film or kind of vice versa? Is there anything that was in the film that wasn't in the book that you really appreciated?
00:37:46
Jonathan A. Moody
That's a good question. So like the, I think, as I said before, like the first chapter had a few scenes. There's one really cool. So the place that they keep going to, right.
00:37:57
Jonathan A. Moody
What they would do, which is not in the movie, but in the book, they would go up and they would go to that Maloka bar or whatever. And they would sit down and these like old ladies would kind of come around and they would,
00:38:12
Jonathan A. Moody
you know give give them, a they would use all their money and they would give some, you know buy them a drink or something like that and and keep them happy.
00:38:22
Jonathan A. Moody
right And so then they went to a ah convenience store and robbed and sexually assaulted a woman there. And they came back to that place, hung out, you know, and everything.
00:38:37
Jonathan A. Moody
And the police show up and the police, you know, got and a description of who the people were. So they came up and asked about it. And ah the ladies and everybody there go, no, no, no. He was here. the whole They were here the whole time.
00:38:52
Jonathan A. Moody
None of them did that. That's, yeah you know, these aren't the people you're looking for. And so um that it I don't know if that was ever filmed or not, but it was not in the movie.
00:39:05
Jonathan A. Moody
um And then in the final chapter... They go there, ah the the new droogs in him go there, they hang out, they're talking, and he decides not to spend money on those ladies and save it for himself.
00:39:21
Jonathan A. Moody
Because he's actually, he got a, that was part of his deal with the government coming in and not having him brainwashed and curing him from this thing.
00:39:31
Jonathan A. Moody
is that, you know, we're going to give you a job. We're going to make you a real citizen of this area and stuff. your You're going to be okay. and And that's why he went back to his way. So, like, that stuff was cool.
00:39:44
Jonathan A. Moody
I like that.
00:39:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
So is there anything else you want to talk about before we kind of get into our comparative analysis and then bookmarked moments?
00:39:55
Jonathan A. Moody
Um, i think you know, was just interesting to read, reread it.
Revisiting the Book Post-Film Viewing
00:40:01
Jonathan A. Moody
Like I said, I'd seen it like so many times because it's a great, it's a great movie.
00:40:05
Jonathan A. Moody
Like it's, it's got, uh, it's, it's not something I put on like every day or anything, like, you know, like it's not something you can watch all the time, but, uh, it is a very well done movie, you know, and everything.
00:40:11
Sarah-Daye McDougall
bre
00:40:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
You
00:40:20
Jonathan A. Moody
So I, But rereading the book, and know it's hard for you because of the NADSAT, after a while, I think if you read it instead of listen it, actually quicker.
00:40:30
Sarah-Daye McDougall
get used to it.
00:40:32
Jonathan A. Moody
What
00:40:33
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Oh, for sure.
00:40:34
Jonathan A. Moody
it's pink it's actually a lot quicker um
00:40:37
Sarah-Daye McDougall
So two comments on that.
00:40:37
Jonathan A. Moody
but i
00:40:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
i So first i heard I went to Reddit and I saw a lot of people said watch the movie and then read the book because it's a lot easier to understand than that's that. Second of all,
00:40:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um Yes, I agree. And that's why I want to get the book and read it in in sections instead of listening to it. But that said, i could tell in the little bit that I did listen to Tom Hollander is was giving an excellent performance.
00:40:55
Jonathan A. Moody
Mm-hmm.
00:41:03
Sarah-Daye McDougall
So if you've read the book, if you've seen the film and you like audio books, definitely encourage you to listen to the Tom Hollander because Tom Hollander is amazing in his own right. um But I could tell that it was going to be a really good performance as soon as it began.
00:41:17
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Also, the audiobook, I don't know if the book had this, but there was a whole section um about about the missing chapter and like why author...
00:41:28
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um but so um the author didn't love the movie. And it's because his his book wasn't, not that he didn't love the movie, but this book was not his favorite book that he wrote.
00:41:43
Sarah-Daye McDougall
um
00:41:43
Jonathan A. Moody
Amen.
00:41:44
Sarah-Daye McDougall
But it's his most famous because of the film.
00:41:47
Jonathan A. Moody
Right. And ah the funny thing is I watched a interview with Anthony Burgess and it was Anthony Burgess and Malcolm McDowell and the thing. But he had, yeah.
00:41:56
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Oh, very cool.
00:41:57
Jonathan A. Moody
And he had said like he had, and it's on YouTube. So these kinds of things are on YouTube, but he had said that he had, um he was at the, what is it?
00:42:08
Jonathan A. Moody
um He watched ah the movie with his wife and um ah like agent at the time. And they wanted to leave, like, halfway through or whatever.
00:42:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:42:21
Jonathan A. Moody
he was like, no, no, no, you got to sit down. Stanley is, like, right behind us. we we can't We can't just do that. So they had to watch the whole thing. And um he said he was, you know, what was was crazy is, like, like the movie – the movie you know Basically, the book is written where the NADSAT is so big in it that you have to you have to read all the NADSAT, all that stuff, to get to the violence.
00:42:56
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:42:56
Jonathan A. Moody
But when you watch the movie, the violence is just there you know and everything.
00:43:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:43:01
Jonathan A. Moody
And I think that's what he didn't like about it because um he liked he did he liked kind of bearing the violence and everything.
00:43:08
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Sure.
00:43:08
Jonathan A. Moody
So you had to find it if you – whatever, if you were reading it. But there, it's right in front of you, and it's pretty – it's pretty for me you know like you're controversial of ways.
00:43:19
Jonathan A. Moody
and very
00:43:20
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes.
00:43:20
Jonathan A. Moody
lots of ways
00:43:21
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes. So which format do you think told the story better? Or do you think that they both kind of succeeded in their own right?
00:43:30
Jonathan A. Moody
I think both. like I think both did. um I think both were different in a way too. like Stanley made some choices that were was different than the book. And the book had certain things from it that I did get a lot out of.
00:43:44
Jonathan A. Moody
So I almost feel like if you read the book and you watch the movie, you're goingnna get you're almost going to get two different things you know from it, even with the same stuff.
00:43:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
hmm.
00:43:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
And do you agree with the sentiment that I saw on Reddit that watching the movie and then reading the book is helpful? I know you said you read the book before you saw the movie originally.
00:44:02
Jonathan A. Moody
Right, and and that's how I did it.
00:44:03
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:44:05
Jonathan A. Moody
and i I could say it would be a little bit maybe easier, but there are still some words that are in the movie that...
00:44:18
Jonathan A. Moody
that are not that are in the book that are not in the movie.
00:44:21
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:44:21
Jonathan A. Moody
So the NADSAT very big. um And so maybe they might even use like one word once, you know? But then you in the book, you hear it like a billion times.
00:44:33
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:44:33
Jonathan A. Moody
So you'll be like reading it, and it's that whole language throughout the whole thing. In the movie, it's, you know, he's surrounded by other people who don't speak this language too, right?
00:44:45
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:44:46
Jonathan A. Moody
So like his mom and his, is my how do they say Like P and M ah is what they call like mom mom and pop, but you know, kind of thing.
00:44:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Huh.
00:44:55
Jonathan A. Moody
So his ah mom and dad, um and then some words, like there was one part where they would say like instead of eggs, they say eggywags. That's the word and everything.
00:45:07
Sarah-Daye McDougall
A
00:45:08
Jonathan A. Moody
Well, at one point in the book, he actually said eggs instead of eggywags. I was like, wait, did they mess up? did Was that like a typo where where he was supposed to say it?
00:45:15
Sarah-Daye McDougall
typo? Yeah.
00:45:17
Jonathan A. Moody
Because he it was in yeah his language. So it was a little confused, but you know i did really enjoy you know like reading it, and then today i saw the movie.
00:45:29
Jonathan A. Moody
like this you know I finished it last night reading the book.
00:45:30
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Hmm.
00:45:32
Jonathan A. Moody
um I'm procrastinator, so i it took longer than I expected. to to to But i I was like, if I could just read two chapters like you know every time I kind of like make a little thing, i could I could get finished.
00:45:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Uh-huh.
00:45:48
Jonathan A. Moody
And I got finished from... Wednesday to Sunday, you know, and stuff.
00:45:52
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Nice. Yeah. um So, okay, this is now we're at bookmarked moments. So this is when you are going to give me what you liked best about the movie adaptation, um what your least favorite part about the movie adaptation was, and then thirdly, what is the most memorable moment of either the book or the film?
00:46:15
Sarah-Daye McDougall
So let's start with what did you like best about the movie adaptation? Yeah.
00:46:19
Jonathan A. Moody
Um, like, yeah okay, so it's about the movie, yeah. So, um, I just...
00:46:24
Sarah-Daye McDougall
in as an adaptation, like what was the best part about like what they brought from page to screen?
00:46:32
Jonathan A. Moody
I think pretty much just the the the visual style that he had. ah There were certain places and stuff that weren't in my head. even though I've seen the movie a million times, there were certain places that weren't in my head that when I saw it, i was like, oh, man, that looks so much cooler than what I thought.
00:46:42
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:46:50
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:46:51
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:46:51
Jonathan A. Moody
da Stanley knows how to how to film things. like He's very good at that.
00:46:55
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yes. Mm-hmm.
00:46:57
Jonathan A. Moody
um he also takes ah He's known for taking takes. a where the deltoid, the guy... interesting thing i learned is that the scene where there's a scene where the deltoid the guy comes in and spits at alex you know and everything and malcolm mcdowell in the commentary said that actually was uh you know he had done 12 takes of that getting spit on and then and the guy and he and then stanley kubrick said you know and you know do it again and the guy said i i have no more spittle left
00:47:33
Jonathan A. Moody
And this guy next to him goes, I could do it. you know So he did another 20 takes.
00:47:39
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Oh my gosh.
00:47:39
Jonathan A. Moody
and And they had to get it just right. It had to be like he wanted it like right ah dripping off his nose and everything. like There was a specific look he wanted.
00:47:49
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:47:49
Jonathan A. Moody
And he is also known for saying Stanley Kubrick has has said and to, at least he said it to to Malcolm that, um or whatever, I think it was Malcolm, but he said um that he he, sometimes he doesn't know what he wants, but he knows what he doesn't want.
00:47:49
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:48:07
Jonathan A. Moody
And I think that's very, that that makes the adaptation good because he knew exactly what he didn't want and he would take it until he got exactly, you know, what he wanted.
00:48:15
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:48:18
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah. Awesome. ah So what was your least favorite?
00:48:22
Jonathan A. Moody
I'm trying to think. what would be my least favorite? It's hard to think because the movie is so good.
00:48:30
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:48:30
Jonathan A. Moody
um ah was What was the part that I didn't like? um I mean, i like I've told you, like I think I told you, Shiny was my buddy Paul's favorite adaptation, or Stanley Kubrick.
00:48:43
Jonathan A. Moody
This is my favorite. So it's really hard to like... I think there was some overacting on purpose you know and everything.
00:48:54
Jonathan A. Moody
like
00:48:54
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Okay.
00:48:55
Jonathan A. Moody
That was sort of what he the style you know and everything. There was people you know saying things really overdramatic and everything like that.
00:49:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm-hmm.
00:49:05
Jonathan A. Moody
and um I, there were times I was like, I would have done things differently myself, but I'm not the master of filmmaking as he is.
00:49:16
Jonathan A. Moody
So maybe, maybe he's right now I'm wrong, you know, in that sense.
00:49:19
Sarah-Daye McDougall
was
00:49:20
Jonathan A. Moody
But I, you know, there's a couple like very um over the top performances. Like I'll give you an example. um ah In the book, when I told you that, you was the guy finds out through the language and him saying these things.
00:49:37
Jonathan A. Moody
And he starts kind of questioning it. Like, wait a minute, I've heard that before. I've said, you know, what, how, where did I hear that line? bo You know, right. And stuff like that. And I thought that worked well. And the adaptation, he's hears the singing in the rain from a distance and like it dawns on him, but he's like, he's got his head down and he's like, ah like mad. And it's like looking up at him. And it's the weird. Like,
00:50:03
Jonathan A. Moody
thing where I'm and and then he starts talking to him it's just like it just way too much and I'm like he does it's like I didn't because like at one it did kind of there was one point that did kind of like startle me I guess because there he's eating food and the guy you know get wheelchaired over or whatever and sitting next to him and he goes and there's like this pause and he goes so
00:50:09
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah just kind of takes you out of it.
00:50:32
Jonathan A. Moody
everything satisfactory or something like that. And he's like, oh my God, like, dude, you're, you're like way too loud. Like this, this seems and abnormal, but I think that was the point.
00:50:38
Sarah-Daye McDougall
hu
00:50:44
Jonathan A. Moody
And so even though that bugged me a little bit, I'm, I'm, it didn't, you know, didn't make me hate the movie or anything.
00:50:51
Sarah-Daye McDougall
of course not yeah um okay so uh what is the most memorable moment from the book or the film
00:50:52
Jonathan A. Moody
Um,
00:50:58
Jonathan A. Moody
Okay, most memorable. All right. So from the book, or both, or just Okay.
00:51:04
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah, what whatever moment stood out to you the most, which if whichever medium.
00:51:05
Jonathan A. Moody
Okay.
00:51:11
Jonathan A. Moody
um
00:51:14
Jonathan A. Moody
Well, honestly, you know, honestly, the thing i really i really dug from the book that, fortunately, did not get – I felt like it wasn't as big on it.
00:51:14
Sarah-Daye McDougall
I'm thinking it's going to be from the film.
00:51:25
Jonathan A. Moody
It did have it a little bit, but, like, what was great about it was there was a lot of talk about choice, you know, and everything throughout it.
00:51:31
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Mm, great.
00:51:33
Jonathan A. Moody
And that's the big – that's almost like the theme of the movie is, like, If you there's even lines that are both book in the in the movie. But if you see if you if you don't have a choice, you cease to be a man, you know, or woman or whoever, you know, but they say man.
00:51:47
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:50
Jonathan A. Moody
But like if you you know, if you don't have a choice between doing this or that, then you're not, you know, you're a robot, you know, and everything like that.
00:51:58
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yeah
00:51:59
Jonathan A. Moody
And there was a lot about that. I mean, the ah the chaplain kind of says it a couple of times and and other people, even the um the warden who they call the governor, i don't know, got me really confused because he they're calling him the governor. And I'm like, there's no governors in England.
00:52:16
Jonathan A. Moody
And then I had to look it up and find out that the governor meant he was the, uh, the, the governor of the, uh, jail or whatever.
00:52:23
Sarah-Daye McDougall
facility, yeah.
00:52:24
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah. And stuff. So, and, I, I liked him a lot more in the, uh, in the book because they had a little bit more with them in the book because the book had more of the jail and the prison stuff, which I'm not a big prison guy. Like I don't like watching movies and TV shows about prison,
00:52:44
Jonathan A. Moody
I get bored easily because I'm like, oh, man, you're just kind of stuck in this one location area thing.
00:52:49
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Right.
00:52:50
Jonathan A. Moody
um But I actually loved it in the book. Like I was kind of hoping that was like ah because I didn't remember much. And I was like, I don't think there's a lot in the prison. and't And in the book or in the movie, it goes boom, boom, boom out of stuff like quickly.
00:53:04
Jonathan A. Moody
and And I was like, how are they going to make like the ending Like when the part three or whatever, I think it was almost like an hour.
00:53:14
Jonathan A. Moody
you know like How are they going to make that work?
00:53:15
Sarah-Daye McDougall
yes
00:53:17
Jonathan A. Moody
And they did in the movie.
00:53:18
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:53:19
Jonathan A. Moody
So so that was my I guess that was my favorite stuff.
Jonathan Moody's Online Presence and Conclusion
00:53:23
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Awesome. Well, thank you very much for joining me and talking to me about Clockwork Orange.
00:53:27
Jonathan A. Moody
Yes.
00:53:27
Sarah-Daye McDougall
And I promise I will revisit the book and film sometime in the future. um
00:53:34
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah, definitely.
00:53:35
Sarah-Daye McDougall
But um yeah do you want to tell the listeners kind of like where to follow you online and what you're doing?
00:53:41
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah have We have a couple websites. So there's sickflickproductions.com. There is indiefilmcafe.reviews.
00:53:52
Jonathan A. Moody
There's indiefilmcafe.podbean.com. um So there's couple. And YouTube. you know Just look up Indie Film Cafe. um And then Sick Flick Productions. you can look up that and find all the film stuff ah there.
00:54:06
Jonathan A. Moody
um also we're on instagram um for indie film cafe i mean literally if you google indie film cafe all of the things will pop up and stuff like so uh i guess that's the easiest way to find them we got facebook uh instagram don't have the threads i don't think or anything because i don't know you know i don't know who uses threads you know
00:54:29
Sarah-Daye McDougall
ah um Yeah, I'm not on threads or TikTok.
00:54:32
Jonathan A. Moody
yeah We have Blue Sky thing, but I don't even use that that much. I have it. And we used have X, but there're they're terrible, like the Twitter stuff.
00:54:42
Jonathan A. Moody
So we don't and do that anymore.
00:54:43
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yep. Yeah, I don't have a ah Twitter either.
00:54:46
Jonathan A. Moody
Yeah.
00:54:46
Sarah-Daye McDougall
It's Instagram for me.
00:54:48
Jonathan A. Moody
Instagram or Facebook is like my two are two big things.
00:54:50
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yep.
00:54:53
Jonathan A. Moody
TikTok, we have a TikTok. I used to do a lot more stuff with that, like clips and stuff, but kind of stopped with that.
00:54:57
Sarah-Daye McDougall
Yeah.
00:54:59
Jonathan A. Moody
All right.
00:55:00
Sarah-Daye McDougall
All right. Well, thank you very much.
00:55:02
Jonathan A. Moody
Thank you.
00:55:03
Sarah-Daye McDougall
And listeners, I'll be back next week with Sharp Objects.
00:55:06
Jonathan A. Moody
Nice.