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Justice League Dark (2017)
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Nick Jones of Focused On Comics joins Perry to discuss the Justice League Dark animated film! We talk about the DC Original Animated Universe in general, Matt Ryan's standout performance as John Constantine, and more.
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Introducing the Superhero Cinephiles Podcast and Guest Nick Jones
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Hey, I told you not to do that Orchid. Use a bloody door. I am glad to see you are well. How new is this one? Not what you think. It's the magic of the house. Decided it wanted to experience humanity and gave itself a body. It sure did. A spirit whose existence is not its own. Like myself. Interesting.
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Um... yeah. We are... back. Dead smooth you are, mate. Hey, it's been a while, you know. Powerful and true magic. Angry at John. This I understand. Yet, you still have feelings for him. I could kill him.
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You exude pain. Your life is a patchwork of blackness with no time for joy. How do you cope with it? I have a butler. That was enlightening. Well, I guess we should have that chinwag about now.
Nick Jones' Podcasting Experience and Global Collaborations
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine. Welcoming a new guest today and a fellow podcaster and a comics fan, and that is Nick Jones. Nick, how you doing today? Not bad. How's it going, brother? Pretty good. So I'm glad to have you on the show. But before we get started talking about Justice League Dark, let's talk a little bit about you. Tell the audience a little bit about yourself, what you do, and all that kind of fun stuff.
00:03:55
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Wonderful. I'm real good at this part. So like you said, my name's Nick Jones. I actually host three different podcasts at the moment. Um, focused on comics is the one where I talk to comic shops creators about what it is they're doing. I mean, I also kind of branched out and start talking like conventions and stuff. Um, so if it's like, Hey, you run a convention, hit me up. Let's come on and talk about it. Like I talked to a shop, uh, most recently I talked to a shop out in Ireland. Um,
00:04:24
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Big Bang comic and I've talked to, just talked to, um, East Coast comic fest, which is on the car in New Brunswick, Canada. So it's like, I mean, I'm based out of Massachusetts, like just south of Boston. So it's like, Oh, cool. Not going to kind of everywhere. Um, and the other two I do is the 1610 incursion, which I do with my friend Jose. We talk about the, um, Marvel ultimate universe. We're like about halfway through it. I believe right now. We just read ultimate to volume one.
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And we've just been talking about that. And out of that has spun the flying dead, which is where my friend Dan and I talk about the Marvel zombies because they come out of the Marvel universe.
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Just yeah, I just do podcasts basically. Very cool. So just brief digression. How does it feel going back to the ultimate stuff? Because I had done a dive back into those books when they came on sale a few years ago. And my read overall was like Ultimate Spider-Man is still so good. Ultimate X-Men and Ultimates didn't hold up as well though. How about you? What did you feel going back to those?
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Um, we're kind of getting bendest out, um, which is why like we're, so we're reading it in like there's to trade reading order.com or whatever. I think it's a website and it's, it's got to kind of broken down by like, okay, if you read them in this order, then everything is kind of going at the same, at the same speed. So we read a lot of Spider-Man in a row.
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And we didn't really touch the Fantastic Four. Like, I think they were like the first couple of books and we didn't touch them for like, you know, six months or something like that. And now I was never really big into the Fantastic Four, like the six one six type of thing. But I dig it in the ultimate universe. And I will agree the ultimates themselves don't really hold up very well. The ultimate Spider-Man being like the benchmark for that that line. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:06:15
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It's just like the death of Gwen Stacy, for example, to us, like we had that we were talking about. It's like we really like there were moments leading up to it where like Gwen was doing great and then like the death just felt like cheap and it's like, oh, we just have to kill Gwen Stacy. But you didn't have to do it that way. It felt kind of undeserved. And like you're talking about Ultimate X-Men, like Beast basically dying off panel. You're like, it's just like little things like that. But I mean, we're having a good time with it, which is good. So I mean, at least we're having fun with it, I guess.
00:06:43
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That's good. That's good. Yeah, it's good that you're having fun with it, at least. So let's talk a little bit about how you got into comics, superheroes, all that kind of stuff. Very similar to like our connection point, Anthony Desiotto. I was collecting comics a little bit before the death of Superman, but
Nick's Journey and Evolution in Comics
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that's kind of the one like death of Superman and Nightfall, the Batman storyline that kind of like dragged me in where it's like, oh, I have to read all of these things. And that just kind of sent me down that path.
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But I mean, on the Marvel side, it was always like X-Men, like the mutant books were always kind of my jam.
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So yeah, but that's pretty much it. And then on and off again, like, you know, throughout the years where it's like, oh, I'm going to collect now. And then when going to the shop kind of feels like a chore, you're like, no, I'm not going to go anymore. And then it's just like, well, I can't not get stuff. So I mean, like right now I still get stuff weekly. Like I'll reach out to my local comic shop every week. I'm like, all right, pull these books, whatever. I may or may not go in that week to get them, but I mostly read, I read actually everything via trade anyway.
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I'm like I might have the single issues, but I'm not gonna read a single issue I will read it in trade format because it's like here's old arc I don't have to wait until next month to find out what happens or whatever Yeah, I'd gone through that too myself. I used to be big into the monthlies I had like I worked at a comic book shop
00:08:04
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similarly to Anthony when I was in high school. And I think about 75% of my paycheck just went right back into the store buying comics. And I was buying like everything like every week going in and having like a huge stack, I was getting like 60, 70 books a month at one point, it was insane. And then
00:08:23
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And then when I got in university I fell off and when I got back into it, it was first it was trades and then I went back to monthlies with with Comixology and I got to the point where my memory is just so bad now and I'd read a book I get a new issue and I'd open it up and I'd read the first page. I'm like shit
00:08:43
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what the fuck happened last time? I have to go back and double check. And it's that and just like, I'm like, you know what, forget it. I'm just sticking with, now I get the trades and I get them on sale on Comixology. So I get them at pretty much the same cost as like getting the individual issues when they come out.
00:08:59
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Yeah, I've sort of started working out a deal with one of one of the comic shops I talked to. I can't really say which one because I don't want everybody to do it. But so you've heard of in stock trades and cheap graphic novels dot com, whatever, where you can go online and they have them for like, you know, a sixteen dollar trade you can get for like nine bucks. I'm like, listen, how about instead of me buying it through them or me paying you full price, how about I pay you 10 percent more than their cost? And then you're getting all of my money and I'm still getting it cheaper. And they're like, as long as they're not losing money, that works. It's like,
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Word. So I'll get it at a cheaper rate, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't get me wrong, I love supporting my local shop at the same time. I can't go broke doing it. Yeah. I mean, I can't even support any local shops
Transition to Digital Comics and Life in Japan
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anymore because I'm in Japan now. So digital comics is the only thing I can do. I had to sell my physical collection when my parents downsized and that was, I've rebuilt it pretty much the whole thing through trade, digital trades now, but that was a tough decision when I had to make it.
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Makes sense. So you where are you from initially that you are now in Japan? Well, I'm for you. Yeah, I'm from I'm from the Chicagoland area. So, you know, you're talking just off mic. You had you talked with all yet comics and Skokie. Bernie, who works there, was my teacher in high school and he was on the show a few years back, actually now. And so, yeah, I grew up in that area nearby there and then came out here about almost 15 years ago now I've been here.
00:10:26
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Nice. But anyway, let's talk too about, what are you into now? It could be comics, movies, TV, anything. What's kind of grabbing your interest these days?
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Well, movies is a tough one because I have the AMC
Broader Interests in Movies and Video Games
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A-list thing, which is $24 a month, and I can see three free movies a week. So I see pretty much everything in the theater that I can. And it's like, oh, that movie's out. I have a little interest. I'll see it for free. So movies are kind of my thing. Escapism in all of its forms are my jam. So be it comic books, movies, books, video games, whatever. So that's a very broad question.
00:11:01
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Like, I just with my steps on, we just watched the Fast and Furious franchise because you'd see none of them. It's like, well, Fast X is coming up. So let's go through those. And now we're doing Indiana Jones because the new one.
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Yeah, and I think after that, we're going to do the Mission Impossible franchise. So it's just watching like rent, like, don't get me wrong, I've seen them all, but he hasn't. So it's like, yeah, whatever. And I'll just kind of like whatever new movie jumps out, I'm like, oh, let me watch that or whatever. TV shows like Ted Lasso on Apple Plus is great. I guess my friend of mine texted me and just let me know that the newest season Rick and Morty just hit HBO Max. So I'll be able to watch that finally.
00:11:42
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But video game wise, man, like I have the Marvel Midnight Suns game and I started playing it and I was playing Fortnite with my son for a little while because like when Fortnite was first around, it's like all building stuff. I'm like, no, thank you. But then they had zero build. I'm like, all right, I guess I'll play it now. But I've kind of fallen off that again. But Rocket League is all I'm really playing right now on the Xbox. OK, cool. Very cool. Yeah, I've only seen
00:12:06
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I saw the first episode of Love and Death, that new HBO Max series with Elizabeth Olsen. And that was pretty good. I think I'm going to stick with that. And also still like Superman and Lois is such a good show. I'm loving that,
Justice League Dark Animated Film Discussion
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going back to the Superman connection. I've been meaning to catch up on Titans because now they got the last part of the final season out. So I need to catch up on that, but I haven't watched that yet.
00:12:33
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Yeah, but anyway, today we're talking about Justice League Dark, the animated movie, part of the DC animated, DC Universe animated original movies. And this came out back in 2017. It was the the penultimate film in that because after this was Justice League Apocalypse, which you know, Apocalypse War, which ended that that universe.
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So what's kind of your history with Justice League Dark? Did you read the Justice League Dark comic that the New 52 put out?
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I didn't read it, but I have the omnibus right behind me. But again, one of the things I always say is collecting comics and reading comics are two totally separate hobbies. So I will read it at some point, but I haven't read it yet. But I basically get all the DC animated movies. I'm I think a three or four behind at the moment. Because when it comes to like live action on screen movies, DC kind of bites the bullet on that one and Marvel has that on lock.
00:13:32
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But the animated movies, DC, crushes it with the animated flicks. Yeah. So it's like, oh, Justice League Dark, let me check this out. And I watched it. I'm like, all right. Like, I've always liked the character of Constantine, like the show that was on what it was at CW, I think. No, it was on NBC. And then he ended up moving over to CW when they brought they brought Constantine into Arrow and Legends.
00:13:54
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Legends of tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like and I like that the actor of that show and stuff like that. So and obviously Batman and Zatanna is way more powerful than I ever really thought, I guess, because I read a lot of Zatanna stuff, but she in this movie here, she was like, all right.
00:14:11
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So, it was just kind of, for me, it was just the whole, like, the thing. I'm like, alright, again, DC animated flick, a new one, let me get it, let me watch it, and that's how I kind of get into it. Yeah, I never read the Justice League Dark comic book. When it came out at the time, I thought it was kind of a...
00:14:26
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because I came up with the John Constantine, the Hellblazer series where it's kind of like in its own continuity. And so it was, first off, it was a little jarring for me to see John Constantine in the DC universe. And then being a member of a team that was called Justice League, my first reaction to that was kind of like visceral. Like, I'm just like, you're putting John Constantine on the Justice League? I don't know if that's such a good fit for his character.
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So I never read the book, but I hear it's really good. I've heard it's an amazing book, and I definitely hear you on the collecting comics and reading comics are two different things. My to read pile on my Kindle is just massive, like a few hundred graphic novels on there that I have to get through.
00:15:11
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And so I'd never, I haven't picked up just League Dark yet, but I am hoping to at some point. But like you, I loved that NBC show. I've got it on my Plex library and I've seen it all the way through at least two or three times. And Matt Ryan is just like the,
00:15:30
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he's like the perfect actor to play Constantine. Like just from that very first episode, he totally captured everything I like about that character. So when I heard that not only he was coming back on Arrow and then on Legends, but that he's also voicing the character and all these animated stuff, I'm like, good, I'm in, I am sold on that.
00:15:50
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So I was really looking forward to this just because of seeing more of Matt Ryan as John Constantine. And of course, I had some familiarity with some of the other characters. Like I'd read the Alan Moore Swamp Thing run. Zatanna had only known little bits in here from her various guest stars in different comics or animated series. But like you, I was never really tuned into Zatanna in any big sort of way.
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or any of the other characters like Deadman or Etrigan. I was never really a fan of those, but yeah, I was curious to see this and see how it turned out. What were kind of your thoughts overall in this DC animated universe? Because in general, I agree with you that Marvel has just completely dropped the ball in animation. Like ever since Disney transitioned all the Marvel animation stuff under their own banner, it's just, I mean, I don't think I've seen a good one
00:16:48
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out of it like Avengers Assemble, you know, the ultimate Spider-Man, none of them caught my interest at all. Nothing, nothing really has been like, has, has reached the heights of Earth's Mightiest Heroes or Wolverine the X-Men or Spectacular Spider-Man. Yeah, I mean, same thing, like, as far as like the whole,
Challenges in DC Animated Universe Continuity
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like I said, the whole DC animated universe, I dig it, like,
00:17:14
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But the only thing is is I just watch every movie has its own standalone thing because it's like there's no real continuity to any of it So it's like there is some a little like a little bit with the Justice League movies But at the same time like wait you already got you guys already did this whole thing But there's no point like where it's like. Oh the new 52. It's like hey Batman number one. This is a whole new thing or whatever they just kind of like we're just gonna change the stuff and go along with it and you're just gonna watch and enjoy and
00:17:39
Speaker
Call it a day, basically, you know what I mean? Yeah, the continuity in this series, I really don't know what DC was trying to do with, or why they were trying to do that, because they had continuity stuff on TV with the Arrowverse, they had it in the movies with the Snyderverse, so it felt weird, like, why are you trying to do the continuity thing in the animated stuff, too, when this is the avenue where you can tell all these stories that are out of continuity?
00:18:05
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And it always felt weird to me when they're trying to to squeeze it and fit these stuff. Like, like, I love the death and return of Superman, but it it did. You could tell there there was obviously a course correction when they're like, oh, wait, Superman is supposed to be with Lois in this story. But in the Justice League movies, we had him with Wonder Woman. We've got to throw some dialogue in there to change that up. Mm hmm.
00:18:29
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Yeah, that's the thing. Like, just that's why I said, like, I don't pay attention to like little things. I'm like, whatever. It's just, you know, it's its own movie. I don't care about like, oh, this happened in Justice League War and now we're in Justice League, whatever, because there are so many of just like standalone Batman movies that it's just like, whatever, because they do a lot of the Elseworld ones. And like, even with Superman, like they have like the Red Sun one and stuff. So it's like, you know what? Every movie is its own thing. I don't care what came before or what comes after this. This movie I enjoy. That's all.
00:18:57
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Yeah, that's how I try to approach it, too. And yeah,
Batman’s Role in Justice League Dark
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that kind of new stuff was just kind of weird. And I thought they were going to stop that after they ended with Apocalypse War, but then it looks like they're doing it again with the new stuff that's coming out. So we'll see how that shakes out. But overall, what was kind of your opinion on on this movie? See, I thoroughly enjoy this movie because of how much Batman hates magic.
00:19:24
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Like when something would happen and he'd just be like, Hmm. Like it made me laugh literally every time it happened. So I enjoy it a lot just because of how basically miserable Batman is. You know what I mean? Like I like Batman. Don't get me wrong. But him being like.
00:19:39
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You know, like when the demon thing appears in the hospital and it explodes and everything, he just looks in the room and is like, hmm. Like he's just so angry about magic because it's not something he can control. And like him messing with like the spirits or whatever that were surrounding Richie and they're like, they're right in his face like, yeah, this one's escaped us many times. He just goes, boo. Even though he can't see them, like, I don't know. It's just the movie is a lot of fun to me.
00:20:03
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Um, but other than that, like, what did you, you hadn't seen it before either, had you? No, I had seen it back when it first came out, I think. Uh, I had seen it back then. And so then I'd watch it again to just kind of like refresh my memory. Um, my, my whole thing was it.
00:20:20
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The Batman stuff of it feels kind of weird because it doesn't feel like he really has a whole lot to contribute to this plot. There are several points where I just kind of forgot when I see Batman on screen. I'm like, oh yeah, that's right. Batman's in this. Yeah, because he's got no place being there. And that's what made it more fun for me is that he's clearly the fish out of water in this whole situation because you have Zatanna, Deadman, Constantine,
00:20:46
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I mean, you got Swamp Thing showing up and Batman is just like, I'm just a dude in a Batman costume. That's all he is, a dude in a bat suit. So him being so out of place when he's usually like, I don't want to say he's like the coolest guy in the room, but that's typically what it is, where he's like, you know, he knows everything about everything, but he cannot like, with Batman, with magic, he knows nothing. And like when,
00:21:10
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There's the part where they first get into the house of mystery and Batman's like, what do you say about dead man? And constantly is like, listen, I'm not playing telephone between you two. Here you go. Now you can see him and talk to him. Whatever. Like, here you go. Leave me alone. That was that was funny to me.
00:21:26
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Yeah, I think I would have liked, I liked that idea of Batman being this fish out of water. I wish the movie would have played a little bit more with that, though, you know, like kind of deal a little bit more with him reacting to stuff. But as it is, it just felt like a lot of times he's just kind of just standing there and it felt like the movie was
00:21:44
Speaker
I mean, I think a big part of it is they're like, well, we need Batman to sell this movie. So that's why they have him in there. And then, but at the same time, they're like, but we don't want to undermine Batman. So we can't have him, you know, we can't play up the fact that he's a fish out of water. So we're just going to just kind of ignore him most of the time. Yep. And that was kind of disappointing for me. I wish I would have seen a little bit more of that stuff.
00:22:09
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Yeah, because like you said, they're like, you know, we have to make use Batman to make this real, I guess, question mark. You know what I mean? Like he's like, what are you going to do? Have Superman there who his one weakness is magic. So he's literally going to get wrecked right away anyway. Right. And Wonder Woman, like it was those are the only ones over there. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern. They didn't have any of the other Justice League involved, right? Yes, as far as I could tell.
00:22:33
Speaker
Yeah, so it's like you got to have Batman there. And I mean, it should have just been I think the second one is just Constantine or whatever. I don't think there's like a, you know, actual like quote unquote superhero involved. I think it's just all the magic people. But the yeah, like having Batman just kind of.
00:22:52
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stumble his way through without the same time. They didn't make it slapsticky, which I mean, you could have done like an Adam West type of Batman where he is kind of like the bumbling type of thing, but still good at his job. I think that could have they could have played it that way.
00:23:05
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I think that would have been interesting, especially given that they've been playing this Batman in the DC animated movie so far as like so hyper competent, right? This is the guy who stole Green Lantern's ring off his finger. So to switch it up and then have him be the one who is completely out of his depth would have been a fun reversal for his character.
00:23:28
Speaker
I absolutely agree. I mean, yeah, I mean, they showed that in this. It happened in another movie, too, where he stole the ring off his finger, right? Or is it just this one? That was in Justice League War, I think it was. It was the first Justice League movie. Yeah. Yeah. Because he does it again in this, too, where he's fighting John Stewart. And I did chuckle at that when he, like, you know, knocks up, like, you know, takes his ring, kind of does a little smirk and then tazes him. Yeah. That was amusing.
00:23:53
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Now, I think the standout for me in this is definitely, again, Matt Ryan. I mean, there's no surprise here that Matt Ryan is just, is the standout performance here, but he's just, what was your take on him as Constantine in this? Well, again, like,
Praising Matt Ryan's Constantine Performance
00:24:10
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so he was, it was the same voice actor that did the NBC show, correct? That's what you're saying. Yeah. So, I mean, to me, it felt like,
00:24:19
Speaker
It wasn't, I'm trying to figure out how to word it. Like sometimes when you see an animated person, like an animated character that you've seen live action, you're like, Oh, and it's a different voice and everything kind of take, I was gonna take you out of it, but be like, Oh, I'm used to this interpretation or whatever. And then like this, it just, just felt like more Constantine, I guess. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?
00:24:37
Speaker
No, absolutely. I mean, I think that happened to me with taking it back to Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, the voice actor they got who played Tony Stark. It's so obvious he's trying to do a Robert Downey Jr. impression, and he's just not getting anywhere close to the ballpark of what it needs to be. And it just comes off as grating. Whereas, you know, and this, you know, we don't have that because it's the same guy. But also, too, sometimes when you get these live action actors to do voice work,
00:25:05
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it can sometimes be a bad thing too because sometimes they that while they that works in live action sometimes it doesn't translate as well in animation it does with Matt Ryan though like he's able to perfectly cross over to from live action to animation which in a way kind of disappoints me that we're not going to see more of him as John Constantine because one of the things I have been
00:25:29
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hoping for ever since DC Universe, that old app came out, was that they would bring back Constantine, the TV show, and bring back Matt Ryan. I figured that was one of the reasons why they were keeping him around on Arrow and Legends, is that they were hoping that maybe we can get him back to do a Constantine show. And now it just seems they're just going to be completely starting over from scratch with the character.
00:25:54
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Yep, because James Gunn's coming, he's like, nope, we're throwing away everything. Unless I've touched it. If I've touched it, no, no, no, that stays. Just kind of a bummer. Like, don't get me wrong, I love Peacemaker, that show was amazing. Suicide Squad's good, but it's like...
00:26:07
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Henry Cavill should have had a better shot to at least close it out and then move on or whatever. Even just do an Elseworlds movie with him or something and be like, hey, we're gonna do our own thing over here. The one person he stuck with was Ezra Miller. I don't know, bro. That might have been a weak choice, but we'll see. They're getting me into that one because it's got 89 Batman back and as Keaton as Batman III, I can't not see it. My whole theory about Ezra Miller is that
00:26:36
Speaker
I think WB has just been kind of like, look, we need this to be, we've put so much money into this movie that we need it to do well in the theaters. So don't talk shit about Ezra Miller until after. Once the movie's out, then maybe we can just quietly shuffle them off. That's kind of my theory of what they're doing.
00:26:55
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm fine with that. Now, if they keep them on after that, then I'm going to have issues. But for the most part, I agree with you. I love James Gunn. The Suicide Squad was far and away my favorite of those DC movies. Not a lot of competition for favorite there, but I was not into the Snyder stuff at all. I love everything I've heard about Superman Legacy, all the stuff that he's announced so far sounds great to me.
00:27:25
Speaker
I just saw Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 and it was blown away by how amazingly well he landed that plane. And Peacemaker, like you said, I love Peacemaker. I'm completely on board with what he's doing, but at the same time, I'm just like, yeah, I'm glad you're keeping John Cena. I'm glad you're keeping Viola Davis.
00:27:47
Speaker
I hope you're just saying that Ezra Miller might stick around and you're not serious about it, but there's no reason you have to recast Gal Gadot. I mean, Ben Affleck, I understand he's done, so I get his reason for not. And Henry Cavill, man, I mean, like you said, if anybody got a bad shake of Superman, it was him, because even Brandon Routh got a chance to do his version of Superman in Crisis. So I would have hoped that we could have gotten
00:28:14
Speaker
at least one good performance out of Henry Cavill. And everything we've heard about Superman Legacy so far doesn't sound like you couldn't have done it with Henry Cavill. So I'm with you 100% on that. Yep. So sidebar about Guardians of the Galaxy 3. People are saying that it's like Marvel's best trilogy. Do you agree or disagree? I think I'd have to agree. Yeah. I mean, you know, because I know the other contenders, well, I guess
00:28:44
Speaker
Because you can't really call the Avengers movies a trilogy because there are four of them, even if you look at- Yeah, but there's a part one, part two. Yeah, yeah. Even if you look at Infinity War and Endgame as one big movie, you could. But even still, the other trilogies that are in contention, you've got the Iron Man trilogy, you've got Cap, and then probably Avengers.
00:29:06
Speaker
Cap was my favorite. Winter Soldier is one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. Civil War was amazing. I love The First Avenger, but it's not as strong as the other two. And with the Avengers films, I love all of them. I love The First Avengers. I like Age of Ultron a lot. I know a lot of people are kind of down on it, but I enjoy it a whole lot.
00:29:30
Speaker
loved Infinity War and Endgame. The Iron Man stuff, Iron Man 2, I like it more than most. I dislike Iron Man 3 more than most.
Thoughts on Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy
00:29:41
Speaker
So yeah, I think I probably have to say Guardians is the one that's been consistent all throughout. And one of the things I really like about what he's done with it is each one is kind of its own flavor of movie too. Like you've got
00:29:54
Speaker
The first one is just kind of like introducing those characters, and we're getting introduced to little cosmic stuff. And it's more plot focused. The second one is a lot more character focused. I love the fatherhood stuff in it. It was the last movie I actually saw in the theater with my dad before he died, so that has special significance from because of that.
00:30:17
Speaker
And then this last one, we're actually going to be doing a recording at the episode on it tomorrow. It was so good. It was just it. I was a little bit nervous if he could tie everything up. I thought the Adam Warlock stuff kind of felt like this is obviously something that was left over. And since stuff had changed, and now we don't really know what to do with him completely. But that was the only real gripe I had with it. Other than that, like I had tears in my eyes through most of that movie. It was great.
00:30:47
Speaker
So for me, I'm going to have to agree. Guardians 1 is my favorite MCU movie. It's either that, Civil War, or Winter Soldier, maybe, and Ragnarok. Those are the top three, four, in any order, depends on the day.
00:31:05
Speaker
I was a little bit let down with Guardians 2, not saying it's bad, it's just not as good as the first. And the third one's good as well. But for me, it's got to be the Captain America trilogy, even though that's weird for me to say. The first Avenger is, it's all right, whatever. But Civil War and Winter Soldier, the two hands down, the best MCU flicks. So I would say Guardians is probably the second, maybe the third best trilogy if we're talking Avengers being
00:31:31
Speaker
Classified as one, but yeah, I mean I'll agree with what you're saying about how you know each movie like I love James Gunn like I actually got There was a screening of his movie super in Boston
00:31:43
Speaker
where he was actually there and did like a Q&A afterwards and I got to go to that. And I was like, this close to being able to say hi to him and like shake his hand, but like he got pulled away. I was like, ah, so close. But like, so like Slither is great. Like I just love, like I've loved all of his work anyway. So I'm curious to see how he'll, what he'll bring to the DC universe other than like, you know, the Suicide Squad. Now, as far as the whole Adam Warlock of it all,
00:32:09
Speaker
I don't know if you watch the pitch meeting things by Ryan George on YouTube or not, but he just did Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. Yeah, that guy kind of irritates me. Irritates a lot of people, I can see that.
00:32:22
Speaker
But he brought up a lot of good points in the up in the Guardians one because he's like and we have like, you know, produce guys like an Adam Warlock and the writers like, uh, what about it? Well, we promise them so we got to use them. He's like, OK, he's the one that hurts the thing and does the stuff like, all right, fine. That works. You know what I mean? Because just like you said, it just kind of feels like it was I don't want to say forced in, but it's like it was kind of going to be a big thing. And it's like,
00:32:45
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder if there was supposed originally a plan for him to be involved in Endgame at some point because they had had that whole thing and at the end of Infinity War with Thanos and Gamora as a child and like the soul gem and then nothing came of that. So I feel like there was something that was planned that ended up getting scrapped. And so I'm curious, I would have been curious to see like the behind the scenes of what that development went like.
00:33:13
Speaker
But anyway, back to Justice League Dark, the movie we're supposed to be talking about here. It's okay, it happens all the time. I thought it was odd having Richie Simpson as the one who's kind of like the big bad in this. It felt like an odd choice because he was...
00:33:33
Speaker
When especially because if you've you know either watch the NBC show or if you read the hellblazer comics I mean he's an example of one of these guys that Constantine has just kind of screwed over in his you know recklessness and I don't know I felt like having him as the the
Analyzing Richie Simpson in Justice League Dark
00:33:50
Speaker
big bad of this kind of detract a little bit from that What did you feel about that?
00:33:55
Speaker
I don't have much history with like the hellblazer comic. I always wanted to read it, but it's like oh I like it's again like you would mention the Alan Moore like run on Swamp Thing I have that in trade form over there just haven't read it yet. Um so it's one of those things where it's like okay I want to get it, but there's so much to get like and then when would I actually read it? It's like 20 plus volumes. It's there's a lot to get through yeah I love vertigo though. It's probably my favorite line is vertigo but
00:34:24
Speaker
like
00:34:39
Speaker
digging that like Constantine hole deeper and deeper about how many people he screwed over and like what he does to save himself, even though he's like he's supposed to be a hero or whatever. He's like when it comes down to it, he's going to save himself before anybody else just because that's what he does. Because if he said he can't save anybody else anyway. So it's kind of like having it be Richie, I think makes sense. But he was kind of duped at the same time because he was like, oh, yeah, you know,
00:35:06
Speaker
You know, it's me like I like he we're gonna do this thing or whatever. It's like no No, son, like you got this whole thing twisted and now you're just a pawn in this big scheme. So I Mean, I think it would have been better if it wasn't like if I don't want to call him dumb But you know what I mean? Like it was almost like he got he was like, haha I'm the big bad guys. You're not though. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's a kind of the dirt ending. Mm-hmm It's a Tana was actually pretty impressive for me. Like like I like we said, I hadn't really
00:35:36
Speaker
paid much attention to her before. She's one of those characters that everybody seems to love and I just never really got the appeal of. But I enjoyed her a lot in this and I think that they did a
00:35:49
Speaker
the redesign they did on her costume, right? Because her classic costume is she's wearing the magician's outfit with the top hat and the fishnets. And they had toned that down a little bit. And I think I really liked the way that she looks in this. I thought the design was really cool. It doesn't lean too far to the superhero stuff, but it's not as kishy, I guess, as the magician's outfit. So I thought it was a nice balance between those two.
00:36:16
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. It's it's more like practical, I guess, because I mean, if you look at like 90s comics, it's like women don't have torsos and whatever whatever torsos they do have, you're going to see everything in it. And it's going to be in this weirdly cut thing. It's like, I'm sorry, how is that woman supposed to fight this? But yeah, like you said, this is more.
00:36:36
Speaker
practical if you want to wear it that way where it's like, you know, yeah, it's still whatever, but it's not like she's, you know, hanging out all out of the thing or whatever. She's actually wearing like regular pants instead of like you said, fishnets. Yeah. And the and the the gloves that she has, like the the the arm length gloves, they really they have like this kind of like it's it's a very mystic feeling kind of design. So without being out of place. So I thought it looked really cool.
00:37:05
Speaker
After Gain is another one of those characters that I, I think it's an interesting concept, but
Etrigan's Rhyming Speech and Storytelling
00:37:10
Speaker
I find that speech pattern annoying. It's kind of like, you know, our buddy Anthony always talks about Bizarro and he hates the way how Bizarro speaks and I totally get that too. It's always, it always, I had done an episode with him on his show about the Gil, the Steve Siegel run and the Gil Simone run and the Mark van Heyden run and,
00:37:35
Speaker
and one of Gail Simone's issues, they have got Bizarro and I think it was Cheetah mentioned that trying to figure out how Bizarro speaks like breaks her brain. I'm just like, yeah, she speaks for all of us in that moment. Right. And I get kind of the same feeling with Etrigan and just like, you know, how he has to rhyme everything. I'm just like, this is so irritating. I did like when he was about to call like insult.
00:38:01
Speaker
Constantine and constantly like hey now like so he doesn't he doesn't know what he doesn't say whore I think is like stops right before he does it and he calls him a killjoy, which amused me but Yeah, I mean, I don't know what I'd like. Yeah Yeah, I don't know much like you said same thing. Same thing here with like I don't know a whole lot about Etrigan But
00:38:20
Speaker
I don't know, something about the fact that he's a demon from hell, and he's like, sweet, I'm gonna be free, and he's like, eh, no, you're not. Fooled you. Now you're bound to this person. And then, what's the guy's name? Is it Jason Blood? Jason Blood, yeah. Jason Blood, yeah. Jason Blood, yeah. Okay.
00:38:34
Speaker
Yeah. And it's like now you're bound to this guy here and now he can't he can't die. And you're trapped unless he says these stupid rhymes to make you come out. It's like, well, if you're upset about having the demons out, you just don't say the rhyme, I guess. It doesn't seem like it's it's like, oh, I'm afraid of sharks. Don't go in the ocean, bro, and sharks alone.
00:38:52
Speaker
it's like just don't say a rhyme and Etrigan won't appear unless I get to say he makes you say it in your sleep or something I don't know maybe yeah I don't know yeah I don't know enough about Etrigan I know Garth Ennis did a run on him at one point so I'm curious to check out that but but otherwise it's just one of those characters that just never really appeal to me too much
00:39:12
Speaker
One of the coolest moments I thought in here, though, was when they bring up Swamp Thing to attack Destiny, and then Destiny rips Alec Holland's corpse out of Swamp Thing's body. I thought that one went, whoa. And you just have the single tear come down Swamp Thing's face, and then he disappears. Yeah.
00:39:37
Speaker
Any other things that kind of really jumped out to you? Like I'm having a tough time really finding a whole lot to talk about with this movie. I mean, the stand out for me was obviously Matt Ryan and the things that I most noticed was just, you know, Batman's lack of action, lack of a presence really in this movie. And as for the rest of the team, like, you know, I think we get some good moments with Zatanna, her relationship with John is covered pretty well.
00:40:04
Speaker
But I didn't feel like we got enough with the other characters. Like we have the whole thing with Deadman and Black Orchid. It just kind of felt a little bit tacked on at the end there. Didn't feel like it was really developed that much. Swamp Thing is ostensibly a member of the team. He's on the cover and everything, but he's got a very minor role in comparison to the others. I don't know, what about you? What were some of the things that jumped out at you with this? The Felix Faust fight, where Zatanna basically just like,
00:40:30
Speaker
Overloads I guess the way to wear it because so, you know, they go to fight and he's like ha ha I have I have it so no women can speak in here. I'm like, bro, really? That made me laugh like wow, I mean, but I mean he did it for like it wasn't like don't get me wrong He says a scummy line about it But he's like, you know, I have this specifically because of you because you're the
Zatanna's Magical Abilities Highlighted
00:40:50
Speaker
only real threat I mean he says that when they're fighting it's like you're the only real threat I'm not really worried about these other people that kind of like, you know hacks compared to you and then when she forms that giant sword and like
00:41:00
Speaker
is about to kill him, and constantly jumps in the way, and she makes that sword explode, and a bunch of other swords kind of point all over Faust. Like I said, Zatanna, I don't know much about her, but if she's written this way in comics or whatever, I would absolutely read one of her books just to kind of see how it goes or whatever. But yeah, that was like, wow. I didn't realize she was that powerful, I guess. You know what I mean?
00:41:25
Speaker
Yeah, I thought that was a cool scene too. And I also thought that was clever of Faust. For anyone who doesn't know, Zatanna's whole shtick is she does magic by...
00:41:37
Speaker
Her spells are basically just the words said backwards. Yeah, yeah. So if you're telling someone, if you're doing a spell that says go, you'd say ag instead or something like that, which is cool when it works in comics. It's harder to translate something like that into movies, I think. It works very well in comics though.
00:42:02
Speaker
Yeah, because in the in the like, I usually have subtitles on just because like sometimes there'll be a loud noise and I'll miss something that was said, whatever. I'm old. I can't do it. But, you know, with that, it just says speaking different language or speaking foreign language or whatever, like speaking ancient tongue or something. It's like it's literally just a word backwards. Like I know that you could just put the words on the screen backwards. You could easily do that. But the person who is sometimes like, no, not today, Satan.
00:42:30
Speaker
Also, I like the poker game at the beginning, too. That was a fun moment with the three demons. Yeah, and I like how they were brought back later, like the whole, like how I guess Batman figured it out because he's the world's greatest detective, allegedly. When the big demons, he has them fight in their final form, I guess we'll call it. And then it's like, oh, no, look, here's what they look like. He could have summoned them at any time.
00:42:55
Speaker
And like the whole false does this whole huge fight with everybody. Like basically destroys this whole joint. And then at the end, it's like, why, why are you here? Like, I didn't do anything to deserve this. Why are you coming in to fight me? Not just like saying that to begin with, like, yo, why are you fighting me? Nope. What is going to destroy my whole house and be like, why? Why are you here? What are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Oh, also interesting here, Jeremy Davies, uh, he had also played Richie Simpson in the Constantine TV show. I didn't realize that was the same guy.
00:43:25
Speaker
are nice. So yeah, I mean, like you said, they're the kind of holding these people on, maybe they're going to do something with them. And that's like, no, fool you. And also the House of Mystery. That's another callback to Game and Sandman run too. That's where Kane lives. And this is
00:43:45
Speaker
Yeah, one of the things too about this DC animated universe is, and one of the things that kind of disappointed me is they had this kind of like set art house style for all these movies in this series. What'd you think of the kind of like the animation style and the designs for these characters?
00:44:04
Speaker
Like, like you were saying, you know, Batman just feels kind of like, you know, in the background type of thing. That's
Feedback on DC Animated Art Style
00:44:10
Speaker
the way his outfit looked to me, too, like Superman and Wonder Woman, whatever their look. But again, like the main like, quote unquote, main Justice League people weren't really involved. Like they show up at the beginning and then they show up at the end and that's it. They're not in the middle at all. Fooled you.
00:44:27
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, Constantine's look theoretically isn't too hard to nail. It's just as long as he's got his like, you know, beige trench coat, you can kind of nail it. You know what I mean? But yeah, we already talked about Zatanna's look. So I mean, as far as like the overall art style, it's again, I just kind of take it for what it is when you're watching the thing. You know what I mean? Like the art isn't so distracting that you're like, oh, I can't watch this because sometimes it's a movie. You put on something animated and you're like, oh, God, this is not what I was looking for at all. Right, right.
00:44:56
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the Swamp Thing design didn't feel, it felt a little bit too, I mean, it's, with this animation style, it's hard to do detail anyway, but Swamp Thing's hard to translate into animation because he's such a, that design is so busy in the comics. Yeah, and he looked very, I mean, I guess plain as a way to word it. Yeah. Like he was like a green blob with, here, have some vines on you and you have red eyes, there you go.
00:45:24
Speaker
Well, you mentioned the Superman thing. One of the things that annoyed me about the Superman design is that the S-Shield has no outline, and it almost makes it kind of like fade a little bit into the character design. It doesn't feel like it pops enough like it should.
00:45:42
Speaker
I mean, now it sounds like kind of like we're shitting on the movie or whatever, but I saw a lot of fun with it. I know you're you seem more in the ambivalent type of type of phase with just with general issues with it. But yeah, I mean, the like the all of the movies of this era, I guess, have this art style. So if you've watched like one of the other Justice League movies, it's like, oh, OK, Superman looks the same in that. So they at least carry the
00:46:10
Speaker
across you know I mean it right they might all not all look the exact same but they they at least kind of keep it close you know I mean well let's talk about that in terms of in comparison to the others I think that's a good thing because we've got this sit this series had a total of
00:46:29
Speaker
It's a bunch of films. Not sure what the total is, but so we had, it started with the Flashpoint paradox, then Justice League War, Son of Batman, Justice League Throne of Atlantis, Batman versus Robin, Batman, Bad Blood.
00:46:44
Speaker
Justice League versus Teen Titans, Justice League Dark, Teen Titans Judas Contract, Suicide Squad Hell to Pay, Death and Return of Superman, Constantine, City of Demons, Batman Hush, Wonder Woman Bloodlines, and then Apocalypse War. Where would you rank Justice League Dark in those movies?
00:47:06
Speaker
Um, considering it's the one I've watched more than any of the other ones, it's towards the top for me, just because, again, like, I think I'd watched it a couple of times before, like, we had talked about, oh, we're gonna talk about this movie or whatever. Uh, I watched it twice in the last week, because I watched it a week ago, and I'm like, you know what? A lot's happened in a week. Why don't we see if we can squeeze it in before we record? Hey, look at that. I did. Um...
00:47:27
Speaker
But I mean, so the last two viewings don't really count just because, again, you know, it's kind of cheating saying, oh, I've watched this movie four times and the only ones only watch once. Yes, but I watch it for a podcast specifically.
Humor in Batman's Magic Discomfort
00:47:41
Speaker
But.
00:47:43
Speaker
I mean, I feel like to me, like I said, I've watched this one more on its own even before recording about it. Again, for me, it's more of the humor I get out of the Batman being miserable because anytime he feels miserable, I feel joy. Even though I don't, I'm not saying I dislike Batman and I want him to be miserable. It's just he always is like the smartest person in the room or whatever. And it's like, but now he is so out of his element that it's,
00:48:09
Speaker
I mean, they didn't play it up quite as much as you would have liked, and I understand that as well, but I don't know, man. When he looks in the room after whatever the dogma monster that explodes all over the place is, and he just goes, he's so angry that he doesn't understand what's happening, it just makes me laugh. For me, it was a top, but... Yeah, I totally get you on that point.
00:48:35
Speaker
One of the things that kind of irritates me about fandom is when they want characters to be perfect all the time. And you see that a lot with Batman and with Spider-Man too. I saw something on Spider-Man Twitter complaining about the fact that when Spider-Man appears in other books, they always talk about what a great hero he is. But in his own books, he's always getting shit on. Well, yeah, that's kind of the point of Spider-Man. He is getting shit on, and then he rises above it. If you don't have that, it's not a Spider-Man story. So you want to have these characters challenge and put through the ringer. Otherwise, what's the point?
00:49:06
Speaker
So yeah, I'm totally with you on that. It's cool to see Batman like always find his way out of things too, but you want to challenge the guy. It's fun to, you want to see him knock down a peg.
00:49:17
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Absolutely and with the spider-man thing is like when he gets in other people's when he when he gets appears in other people's book It's like no, no, he's like the superstar in his own book. It's like oh, it's just he's that's just his life Like mm-hmm. He's always gonna get on his home life, but when you go somewhere else It's like, you know, you're the host of this podcast like you're the one that's responsible or whatever for everything, right? You go on someone else's podcast. You're like, oh, I don't gotta do a fucking thing here. I am the hero. So
00:49:41
Speaker
It's it's that's just kind of the way it works with, you know, being the main character or whatever of your own story. You're the one that like you see everything that happens to you when you go to something else. They're only seeing that moment of your life, whereas like your main book. Yep, this is this is my life all day, every day. This is what I deal with.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah. Now, for me, ranking this now of the ones I haven't seen Constantine City of Demons and I haven't seen Wonder Woman Bloodline. So I can't compare it to I also. Yeah, I haven't seen. I don't think I've seen Justice League Teen Titans versus Teen Titans. We know. Yeah, I did see that one, but it was a while ago and I chose how much that stood out. But I think ranking these ones
00:50:27
Speaker
I think I would probably put Suicide Squad Hell to pay at the top. I think that's probably the best one that they've done. I would agree with that, actually. Because Suicide Hell, that one, I do remember that way. Yeah, Hell to Pay. I've seen, I think there's two Suicide Squad. There are two. Yeah, the other one is the Salt on Arkham, which is, it's not that great.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, I think that I feel like that one's like that same little like the deathstroke one that came out that I was like, oh, that wasn't that great. Mm hmm. I never saw that one either. But yeah, this one, see, I wouldn't put just Suicide Squad would probably be the top one. And I think I would probably put Death and Return of Superman is number two. And then probably
00:51:11
Speaker
Apocalypse war would probably number three. I had a lot of fun with that I know some people didn't really like that but I thought it was it was it was really fun, especially the scene when We find out that Constantine had an affair with The the shark character in that Yep. Yep. That's because that was Justice League dark apocalypse war, right? Yeah. Yeah
00:51:29
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't enjoy that one as much as this one only because of like it's a very serious movie and whatever. Whereas this one to me just felt more, you know, light and fun or whatever. Yeah. That's why I looked at it, even though it's still the end of the world, whatever you want to call it. Although I think, yeah, but if I'm just talking about the Justice League movies, you know, obviously Apocalypse War would be would be number one for me. But I think this one would probably be number two.
00:51:57
Speaker
Like Justice League War, I don't even remember Throne of Atlantis. So that one did not really make an impression at all on me, but I, War was okay. It wasn't anything special. It was just kind of like there. And I think this is more entertaining than War is. So I think I would put this as number two for me in the Justice League films.
00:52:16
Speaker
That's still hey, you know what number two number one like in the top five. I'll take it. Yeah Well, I mean it's not a bad movie at all and I think some people I don't know I can't remember what there is much of a positive or negative response to this I know justly apocalypse war got some negative response, but I so I was kind of surprised when I saw it I'm like I actually really dig this Yeah, and I
Solo Podcasting Challenges
00:52:40
Speaker
mean that's the thing like
00:52:42
Speaker
Um a friend of mine he deals with like movie reviews and stuff and he was like, oh you should come do movies for me I'm like, I can't I'm like I talked to people. It's like, oh, did you see this movie? Okay Well, you know if you like that movie this movie's kind of in the same vein blah blah blah blah It's more of a personal like chat. Like I can't just like
00:52:59
Speaker
Write a review like I and like I don't know if you've tried recording podcasts into the void where it's just you talking. I cannot. It is the worst thing in the world. Yeah. Like I said, obviously I talk a lot or whatever, but like I need someone to bounce back off of. You know what I'm saying? Like I cannot talk into the void. Like I can't I can't do it. It's the worst. No, I get you. I had my I do another podcast called Japan on Film and like the first 20 episodes or so was just me doing it on my own. And
00:53:29
Speaker
And I just couldn't keep up because I had to write scripts and everything. And it was just it was it was a hassle. And so then finally, I'm just like, I have to either change this format and start bringing in guests or I have to stop it because I couldn't I couldn't keep it going like that. Mm hmm. Yeah, I had to record a little like a little blurb. There's a comic fest coming up in the end of June. And the guy gave me a pair of tickets to give away for the show. He's like, hey, you just give him away. Like, just give me the name of the person that wins and I'll put them on the guest list.
00:53:58
Speaker
So I just don't record a little thing like, hey, you know, I was giving a pair of tickets to give away to the show. You just got to, you know, to enter, just do this, this, this, blah, blah, blah. And it took me like 20 minutes to record this like 30 second clip because I'm like, all right, I guess I have to type out a script because I'm just losing the plot when I'm just talking to myself. Yeah. It's the worst. I'm with you 100 percent. Even with the I done that a few times like, oh, I just have to record like, you know, one minute. It's no problem. I can just wing it. And I'm just like 20 minutes later, you know, five wasted recording. Just like, fuck, gotta write it out now. It's the only way to get it done.
00:54:27
Speaker
You have to write it down. You're like, really?
Justice League Dark's Reception and Performance
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It's literally just me. Like, I'm still fucking it up. It's the worst. OK, so I think that's a pretty good note to end this on. I mean, I think this this animated universe, it's got mostly kind of just mixed overall. But I think this movie is one of the highlights. And a big part of that is Matt Ryan. I don't think I would have liked this as much if it wasn't Matt Ryan as coming back as Constantine. I can agree with that.
00:54:59
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Any other final things you wanted to say about Justice League Dark? Nope, like I said, I mean, is it streaming on HBO Max? I feel like they have all of the DC movies there. If you got like, what, it's an hour, 15 minutes or whatever? Yeah, it's 75 minutes. 75 minutes total.
00:55:19
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Yeah, 75 minutes, an hour and 15 minutes. So if you got an hour and 15 minutes to go, I say watch it, enjoy it for what it is, and that's all, that's, as far as Gump once said, that's all I gotta say about that. Okay. Yeah, it's a fun movie. It's great seeing Matt Ryan back. I am curious to go check out City of Demons, because I haven't seen that yet. And that was, in fact, based on this, they decided to make that, because of the popularity of Matt Ryan coming back to do Constantine and this.
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Makes
Recommendation of NBC Constantine TV Show
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sense. But honestly, I'd say if you want to if you want more Matt Ryan is Constantine track down that NBC show because that thing was gold. Is that streaming anywhere? I don't I think it's it might be on the CW app. It was at one point. Like I said, I've got it on I've got it myself, so I don't have to worry about it streaming anywhere. But it used to be on CW seed, I think I'm not sure if it still is. Yeah, that's the thing. Like people like, oh, why do you buy physical media? I'm like, because what if I want it to
00:56:19
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watch something and the internet goes out or whatever. Well, I mean, HBO max just already proved that, right? They yanked, uh, the justice league animated shows off of it. So it's like, after that, just like, well, obviously this is what ever, and also Westworld, right? They yanked Westworld off, they yanked a whole bunch of other stuff off. And, and, and now that stuff's like, where are you going to get it now? So yeah, I'm definitely, uh, going back to a lot more physical media myself.
00:56:47
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Yep, I buy physical media and then I just upload the digital copy to my iCloud or whatever with like the iTunes movies, whatever. And I watch them digitally, but I own them physically just in case. Yeah, I do a lot of that, too. It was just one season. Just one season, like only like twelve, nine or twelve episodes, something like that. It was a short episode run.
00:57:08
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Yeah, I thought so. Yeah, you can buy it on Amazon and Voodoo. That's the only place it's not streaming anywhere for free. OK. But yes, I would also support that. Go watch that show. Yeah. Yeah, I do that, too. I get the discs. And then what I do is I'll rip them and I'll put them in my heart. I got an external hard drive linked up to HTPC and I run them off my Plex library off that.
00:57:30
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And that way I got all easily accessible. We don't have to keep big DVD shelves because we don't have space for them here in Japan anyway. So I got all the disks as backups if I ever need to, if any files get corrupted. But yeah, Nick, this is a fun conversation. Thank you for coming on and talking about Justice League Dark. But why don't you tell people where they can find your stuff?
00:57:56
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Um, so again, like I said, I have the three podcasts, which is focused on comics. Um, the 1610, the 1610 incursion podcast and the flying dead. They're all, you know, everywhere podcasts are, um,
00:58:11
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I'm still on Twitter, even though I don't really do much with it anymore, just because I don't really have the time and I don't care. But lane at 360 L A N E I T 360 on Twitter. And that's kind of the easiest way to get in touch with me, because everything else, like my Facebook is just like, yes, if we don't have at least one mutual friend, you can't even talk to me. Don't look my way.
00:58:30
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But yeah, I mean, again, thank you for having me on. It was a good time. We'll have to have you on. We'll have to have you focused on comics at some point. Yeah, that'd be fun. I'd love to do that. You know, I do I do comic book lettering and I am I've done some writing, too, and I am working on a project right now. You could probably see it on the video here. I've got my tablet set up doing some making work over here.
00:58:51
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But yeah, I'm totally down for that at some point. But anyway, we'll have links to your podcasts and stuff in the show notes too. So anybody's interested can go in the show notes, check those out. As for us, superheroescinephiles.com is the website, SuperCinemapod on Twitter and Instagram. And also if you join our Patreon page, you know, for as little as a dollar a month, you get these episodes a week in advance, no ads. Plus you also get access to the Superhero Cinephiles book club,
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