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Part One: Ranking Newcastle's XI against the Premier League's best
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When the transfer window is a curse word that rhymes with Ben White and describes Sunderland, sometimes you need a break. So Michael has decided to give the DailyNewcastle team exactly that! Hosting Nicola Pringle-Adams and Iain Mackay to ask the tough questions of which Premier League players are better than what we currently have!
Part One Includes: Goalkeeper, Centre-Backs and Full-Backs
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello everybody and welcome back to the Daily Newcastle podcast. I'm your host for today, Michael Grameslow, and I am joined by Nicola Pringle-Adams and Ian Mackay. Nicola, I'll start with you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
How's it going?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
I'm good. How are you?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, all good. Thank you very much. What about you, Ian?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Good.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
You doing okay?
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Iain
Yes, yes. I'm not st singing Bootham Rats I Hate Mondays today, Michael, because I don't, because it's lovely. I haven't seen you two for the first time in a month as well.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah It's an absolutely fantastic occasion. And I was just about to say any Monday can be brightened up by these three faces. But unfortunately, our audience are going to see them on a Tuesday. So you'll just have to deal with it.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh, yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But I don't know about the rest you, but I kind of find the whole transfer window at the minute it pretty boring.
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Iain
right,
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you both agree?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, yeah, not a lot's going on.
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Iain
think Well, Joanne and I managed to make 20-minute podcast discussing how nothing was happening yesterday, which, yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I was very impressed. ah But that is why today ah brought you both in to do something a wee bit different. ah Today we're going to be going through and ranking NUFC players against their Premier League counterparts. So we'll go through it position by position.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I've sort of pre-ranked them. Otherwise you'd have like Sandro Tonali versus Enzo Le Fay. And well, that'd be more one-sided than the last derby. So we don't want that. But we're going to start in goal.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Newcastle United's Nick Pope. He might not actually be in that position at the start of the season, but he's here for now. So to start off, I'm going to go through the, i don't want to say dire straits of the Premier League, at but the bottom of the list ah sort of players.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Can we agree that Nick Pope is better than the following? Anthony Patterson from Sunderland, Alphonse Areola from West Ham, Ilan Melier from Leeds and Neto from Bournemouth.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
We in agreement?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yes, 100%.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, absolutely fantastic.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
I don't
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Global Sports Podcast Network
The easy part's done. Happy days. um And are you both in agreement that he isn't quite at the level of Edison, Alison, David Raya, Amy Martinez, and unfortunately, Jordan Pickford?
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Iain
a
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
i don't know if I agree with the Jordan Pickford one.
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Iain
ah you yeah Generally, you're right Michael, but I would i would have Nick Pope over and Martinez and Raya to be honest.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Iain
I've seen those two give stupid goals away but by their brilliant footwork every time we bloody play them virtually.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh.
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Iain
Raya's giving the ball away to someone on the edge of his own box and we score.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
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Iain
So that's horses for courses though, isn't it?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's...
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Iain
I'm an old-fashioned man who likes to go eat it and it can stop the shot and catch the crosses. And then boot it out of the hand to bounce on the edge of the opposition box.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah,
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, okay. So we've already had some interesting shouts there.
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Iain
said
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um So it hasn't quite gone how I imagined it starting, so this is going to get a bit tougher. um But is Nick Pope, we'll go back to the bottom of the list, because I thought those first nine would be relatively straightforward, but is Nick Pope better than Robert Sanchez, Andre Onana, Jose Sarr, Colum and Kelleher,
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Iain
Yes. Yes.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah Yes.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
the new Brentford goalkeeper, and James Trafford.
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Iain
Yes.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Mm.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah I've left it on Trafford for a reason, if you can't tell.
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Iain
I can imagine what you're coming back to. I would say Nick Polk, for me, I would take Nick Polk certainly above the first two because they've got a hell of a Rick in them every 20 minutes, haven't they? an honor And Arna and Sanchez.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
ah
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Iain
I do like Starr as a goalkeeper, but I don't think he's as good as Pope is.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Agreed. Yep.
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Iain
I like Kelleher as a goalkeeper. um if I mean, you know, if you could rewind time, I think we should have been surfing after him for 12 million or whatever it was.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
ye
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Iain
Brentford top three.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I'd agree, yeah.
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Iain
And Trafford, well, that's a loaded question, isn't it?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, yes.
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Iain
That's a loaded question. I would like to think if we do get James Trafford this season, he will come in and understudy Nick Pope.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I'd agree.
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Iain
And then... once he's bedded in and we will be able to tell whether he's better or not won't we
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But for the time being, are you saying that Pope's above Trafford? Just to clarify.
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Iain
we for emphasis is put on at work these days
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
You agree, Nicola?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, I completely agree with everything Ian said, actually, on all of them.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
and Okay.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
That bit was a lot more straightforward than I liked, and I do like that. So we go into the final five to determine exactly where Nick Pope is for both of you. And I'll go one by one.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Is Nick Pope better than Matt Sells?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Former Newcastle goalkeeper in himself, but was absolutely dreadful.
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Iain
You're talking about the match Stelz who played for Nottingham Forest last year rather than the one who came and couldn't get past Carl Darlow in a Benitez team, aren't
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Global Sports Podcast Network
but Yes, that one.
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Iain
you? Stelz was excellent last year.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
he was very good um no
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
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Iain
And I hope you ah still feel sorry for the penalty he in against alex Alexander Izak where he so nearly got up to it. But it was just skipped and dropped over his head.
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Iain
I still put Pope ahead of Stelz though.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Good stuff. Do you agree, Nicola?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh, why is that?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
No. I'm
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
artist just like i'm not saying Nick Pope isn't as confident because obviously he's a goalkeeper for reason and is, but I feel like Matt Sells doesn't hesitate as much as what Nick Pope sometimes does, if you know i mean.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
um i think we've all said before that since Nick Pope's injury, um obviously was a while ago now, he has he can be quite hesitant in some places.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
okay
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
um And I actually do like Matt Sells for Forrest. I think I'm going disagree with that one.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
um
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Global Sports Podcast Network
oh
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, just how I like it.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Fantastic.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah. Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So we'll move on to the next one. We'll go for the car.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
I'm sweating doing this, by the way. but I'm going to get slaughtered online.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll keep... We'll keep it cool. We'll keep it cool. ah We're going go to Vicario from Tottenham. Would you both say that Nick Pope is better than the current Tottenham Italian?
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Iain
Yes.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes. All right. Fantastic. Next up, Bart Verbruggen. Obviously, Ian, I know you're a big fan, but is he better than Nick Pope right now?
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Iain
in
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, I've got them thinking.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
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Iain
I think, has he just moved?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
No, no, he's still at Brighton. It's ah Mark Flecken that's moved from Brentford.
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Iain
Black and it's moved, yes.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Right.
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Iain
and I... Hmm... Delton goalkeeper is really good.
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Iain
But he did concede a lot of goals last year, didn't he? So I'm going to stick with Pope and I might have to put Flecken.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
He did, yeah.
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Iain
i I'm a big fan of Flecken, although I don't think everybody else did.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
He's at Bayer Leverkusen now. So we'll know we'll probably never see him again unless it's in the Champions League.
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Iain
Hmm.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But what about you, Nicola? Do you agree ah with Verbruggen over Pope over Verbruggen, should I say?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
ah Yeah, I do. Sorry, I i was misunderstanding. yeah good Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
that's I got it wrong there. do apologize. um Right, two left on the goalkeeper front. And it is Dean Henderson and Berne Leno. Would you say that either of those are better than Nick Pope?
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Iain
No contest.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, actually not.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Nope. Oh, okay. Right. So both of you said that Alison and Edison were better than Nick Pope. And then you couldn't agree on David Raya, Jordan Pickford, Emi Martinez, or Matt Sells.
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Iain
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um So basically he's in the top five for both you as Nick Pope, which does beg the question why Newcastle want to replace him. ah But, you know, that's football.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um So we'll move on next.
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Iain
Michael, Michael. i think I think Newcastle wants to replace Dubravka.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
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Iain
And they want to replace Dubravka with a young, understudy goalkeeper, whilst Pope is number one.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um
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Iain
And if it's James Trafford he proves to be fantastic and he brikly wins the place of the team by Christmas and takes over, then we'll all sing his praises, won't we? But if he's still a bit sort of wobbly like he was when he played for Birmingham in the Premier League two years ago,
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And hopefully that is the case.
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Iain
Pope will definitely still be the number one. He's got to work hard to dislodge Nick Pope at the moment, I think.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Iain
I know he had a dodgy period when he came back from his bad shoulder, but I'm just remembering that one-handed save after a really good move that Man United put together when it reacted to push that over the bar.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Iain
And the one in the Carabao Cup final at a critical time. Such a strong leap and a strong hand.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yep.
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Iain
Very good. I still think they've got a lot to offer.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, agreed.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Could well still be the case, but at the same time, we've got about six goalkeepers and the only one we've really heard about leaving, other than obviously John Ruddy, etc., has been Nick Pope. ah There's rumours of nothing for Dubravka, nothing for Vlasiosimos.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So it could be a case that if we want to bring in a goalkeeper, one of them has to leave and that might be Nick Pope. But... Either way, you've got a great point there. We'll move on to our full backs. These should be the two easiest ones due to the lack of quality in the league, in my opinion.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Tino Leveramento, obviously, on the right-hand side. It could easily have easily been Kieran Trippier. But we're going to start off with Mazurawi from Manchester United. Would you both agree Tino's levels above?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yes.
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Iain
Levels above.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, now I'm going to go through the next three quite quickly, just to start off.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
going to be an easy one, this.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Matty Cash. Is Tino better?
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Iain
Come on. Yes.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Aaron Wambasaka.
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Iain
Yes.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Iain
Although he's a good player.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep. Pedro Porro from Tottenham Hotspur.
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Iain
Yes.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yes.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Ola Aina from Nottingham Forest.
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Iain
He's a good player as well, but he's not Tino though.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Mm.
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Iain
He's not a Tino, is he?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
oh And then we so that puts Tina at least in the top three with Ben White
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
He's better than him.
00:10:38
Iain
you know That's Jason Kindle, that is.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
He's better than Ben White, okay, and the player that I've put number one
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Iain
A son-sans buffoon.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah the The player that I've put number one out of the rest of the league, Daniel Munoz from Crystal Palace. Would you say that Tino Livermento is better than Daniel Munoz?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh, I didn't think of him.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Or, well, actually, I'm forcing you to say yes or no. I was going to give you an out, but no. Yes or no?
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Iain
No, I'd say no.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
No?
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Iain
I like Munoz as well. I think he's excellent. He's fantastic going forward. And I know the stats that you quoted about him. So he looked good and then you proved it as well.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
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Iain
But I think Tino has got so much ceiling still.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
ah
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Iain
And then he then he could do he could be just as high on the list for left back as well.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah agreed um yes i think
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So is that both for yes or both for no?
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Iain
We're like Pep, Michael. Nicola I are like Pep.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
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Iain
We think Tino Livermento is the best right-back in the league.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, OK. So no right backs better than Tino Livramento. And on the left-hand side, obviously Lewis Hall um signed pretty much the same time as Tino and he's done very, very well last season as well.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll start off with another Manchester United player, Patrick Dorgue.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
sake he's better than him yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
No? OK.
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Iain
I like him.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
okay
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Iain
ah like him.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I do like him as well.
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Iain
I do like him. And he's very raw. And he might well develop it into somebody who's very close behind Lewis Hall, but at the minute, he's not anywhere near Lewis Hall.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Next up, Purvis Estepinian from Brighton. Very good player, but has been injured for most of the last season, so...
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah nope don't really
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Iain
Have you got an F opinion about him, Nicola? An F opinion?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Don't really know much about him, to be honest.
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Iain
Come on. Bright and fullback. He's got a good shot on him, but he's not...
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Global Sports Podcast Network
There.
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Iain
it's nothing to write home about.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
that Okay, next up, one that will be very controversial. Who's better, Lewis Hall or Miles Lewis Skelly? Right now, that is. Not who has the biggest ceiling, who is better right now?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Who has the biggest what, did you say?
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Iain
feeling.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Who's better right now?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
No, you said something before that, doesn't matter.
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Iain
The biggest feeling. The biggest feeling, Nicolette. What do you think he said? No, don't say that.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
couldn't hear you cut off um
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Iain
and um would I would say Lewis Hall is a better left-back. Miles Lewis-Skelly could go very, very far. I think he'll fly as a midfield player, though. and They use him as an inverted pullback to come into midfield, which is the modern way.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Iain
And he's very good at that.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
very true yeah
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Iain
but don't think And he's not bad defensively, but he has been sent off twice, hasn't he?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Discipline issues do seem to be a problem, although one of them was rightfully rescinded. um But discipline does seem to be a bit of an issue. are we saying Lewis Hall over Lewis Skelly?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
I know.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Iain
Lewis Hall because of his sterling defensive work. Can you believe we're saying that after the first six months when he played at Newcastle?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
ah no
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. massive improvement from the young man ah Manchester City's new left back Ryan Aitnori what do we think is Lewis Hall currently better than Aitnori or is he the first one to defroon Lewis Hall
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Iain
No, I think he's a fantastic goalful player and he's he's superb going forward. and turning up in the box, scores some good goals.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, it's very pep.
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Iain
I'd say I'm still thinking of it as a Wolverhampton Wanderers left back, but I think ah maybe going to work with Pep will knock all of that flair and genius out of him.
00:14:24
Iain
He'll turn into a really dull left back.
00:14:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, it's not a bad shout of what we've seen.
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Iain
I don't think he's got much sense of it.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Not at all.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
It's very true.
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Iain
but
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. And then I'm going to go through the next two because I think they're very similar. I think I know what the answer is going to be. Destiny Udogi and Anthony Robinson from Spurs and Fulham. Either of those, would you say are better than Lewis Hall or are you both happy that Hall's comfortably better in a Newcastle shirt?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh, yeah, I am.
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Iain
I think O'Doggy's another inverted one who's fabulous going forward. I just remind you how Anthony Gordon thugged him off to win the ball back, but there to put Isaac through for the first time that he's sat under what you call him on his arse.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
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Iain
now I don't think he's got the defensive capabilities. left back we want, isn't it, with some flair going forward.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
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Iain
And who's the other one?
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah The other one was Anthony Robinson from Fulham.
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Iain
yeah Anthony Robinson is he's a beast up and down and I think he's definitely he's on a par I'd say is is he English American right yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, okay. Tied for third, we'll give them.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah American, which is bizarre.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
Is he actually?
00:15:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, apparently Americans actually are semi-decent at football. At least one of them is.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
At least one of them is, yeah.
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Iain
yeah but to be fair though I think he's spelled Anthony A-N-T-O-N-E-E
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, he is.
00:15:54
Iain
Therefore, he can't possibly be the top of any list just because of that reason.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, Lewis Hall is third because he's called Lewis.
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Iain
young vote and
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah i' This is what this list is about. so ah And in the top three, we have Liverpool's new signing, obviously not confirmed yet, but Milos Kierkez and Josko Gavariel.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you say that Lewis Hall is better than either of those players or you content with Lewis Hall sitting in third place?
00:16:23
Nicola Pringle-Adams
um I can't really comment on these two players because i haven't seen a lot. I don't know a lot.
00:16:28
Iain
I think Chirkez has had ah an excellent season and that's why Liverpool have bought him.
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Nicola Pringle-Adams
So...
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:16:36
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Hmm.
00:16:36
Iain
ah'd say he was probably was ahead of Lewis Hall because he's been excellent for longer. But my best left-back in the league is Vardiov because he is superb at turning up in the box.
00:16:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Great.
00:16:53
Iain
Scored five or six goals last year. Great in the air. And super solid defensively as well. I mean, he's covered at centre-half.
00:17:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:17:03
Iain
So, i you know, casting my Newcastle hat to one side, Vardyla's a great fullback.
00:17:08
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Thank you.
00:17:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely fantastic. So we've confirmed that Lewis Hall is a mix of second and third, depending on who you ask, but definitely up there in the top three with two great options. Now, I'm aware we are getting on a little bit, so I'm going to go into centre-backs and I'm going to ask you now to name two Newcastle United centre-backs out of the three. So obviously Dan Byrne, Sven Bottman and Fabian Scherr.
00:17:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Who do you think will be Newcastle's starting pair next season, providing them all three are fit?
00:17:39
Nicola Pringle-Adams
oh
00:17:39
Iain
a
00:17:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we don't sign a centre-back, obviously.
00:17:43
Nicola Pringle-Adams
and Definitely Shaw.
00:17:43
Iain
It's got to be Schaar and...
00:17:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because... That just...
00:17:46
Nicola Pringle-Adams
ah so
00:17:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:17:46
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Sorry, no, let me start again. Definitely Danburn, I think.
00:17:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh.
00:17:52
Iain
Really?
00:17:52
Nicola Pringle-Adams
and Yeah, I don't know.
00:17:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
He has just been named player of the season for us, to be fair. So he is going to be very difficult to drop.
00:18:00
Nicola Pringle-Adams
That's why I said that.
00:18:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
But...
00:18:02
Nicola Pringle-Adams
um
00:18:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:18:03
Iain
but He's player of the season. He's player of the season in a season where Sven Botman who his direct competitor for the left side of centre-half, played three games.
00:18:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Has been injured. Yeah.
00:18:13
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:18:13
Iain
So I think if everyone's fifth, I think it'll be Schaar and Botman that would
00:18:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:18:18
Nicola Pringle-Adams
um I hope it is.
00:18:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. Okay. Well, out of those two...
00:18:23
Iain
start. To be fair, they had a great partnership the year before. the year before
00:18:27
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Did.
00:18:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
um the Yeah, 100%.
00:18:29
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, agreed.
00:18:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, out of those two players, I'm going to get you to pick between them. Who's better, Fabian Shaw or Sven Bottmann?
00:18:37
Iain
Oh my word.
00:18:38
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Oh, God.
00:18:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I need somewhere to start and somewhere to finish.
00:18:43
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I'm really biased though because i honestly love Sven Bottman but I feel like a little bit too biased because he's been injured the majority of last season.
00:18:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
He was called the Rolls Royce for a reason, to be fair.
00:18:54
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, I'm...
00:18:56
Iain
Yeah, I'm gun bottom.
00:18:56
Nicola Pringle-Adams
But then I also love when Fabian Shah gets that moment where he just does what he wants. No, I'm going to go Bottman.
00:19:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:19:03
Iain
Argel Bachmann as well. I think Shah went off it for a about 10 games and then came back.
00:19:07
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:09
Iain
But when when Shah's not concentrating, he is very capable of the 10-yard square ball to the opposition centre-half on the edge of his own box.
00:19:18
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Agreed.
00:19:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely. So, with that, I'm going to start off with the three players that I think definitely Bottman and Shaw haven't beaten. And then I'll start from the bottom with Fabian Sher. But can we agree that Virgil van Dijk, Gabriel and Saliba are indeed better than our two starting centre-backs?
00:19:40
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I can hold hand up and admit that.
00:19:41
Iain
I'll give you that.
00:19:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, absolutely fantastic. We've got a starting point. So I'm now going to ask, I'm going to give you, let's say, eight players, and I want you to tell me if any of them are better than Fabian Scherr.
00:19:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
So we have Christopher Ayer and Ethan Pinnock from Brentford. Jean-Claire Tadibo from West Ham, Matthias De Ligt and Lenny Jorow from Manchester United. Reminder, this is now not potential.
00:20:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Max Killman from Wolves, James Tarkowski from Everton, and Maxence Lacroix from Crystal Palace. Or is Fabian Scher better than every single one of them?
00:20:22
Iain
is is ah is ahead of all of them.
00:20:24
Nicola Pringle-Adams
He's definitely up there, yeah.
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:20:26
Nicola Pringle-Adams
The only one I'm... Yeah, no, I'm going to put him ahead of all of them
00:20:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Okay, absolutely fantastic. I mean, I was expecting that, to be honest, but I thought maybe one of them might pull you out a little bit. James Tarkowski had a great season, thought maybe recency bias.
00:20:38
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Hmm.
00:20:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I'll go through the next four that I have down on the list here, and that is Pau Torres from Aston Villa, Levi Colwell from Chelsea, Jared Brantwaite from Everton, and Esri Konza from Aston Villa again.
00:20:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you say that any of them are better than Fabian Shah right now?
00:21:00
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I really like Colwell, you know.
00:21:03
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I do think he's a really good player. I know that gets a lot of...
00:21:05
Iain
He is a good player.
00:21:06
Nicola Pringle-Adams
but um think he's a really good player.
00:21:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
He is a very good player, to be honest.
00:21:08
Iain
ah c eighteen ah He's done a lot of left back as well, though.
00:21:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:09
Nicola Pringle-Adams
um
00:21:12
Iain
Has he definitely sent a half that was filling in at left back rather than the other way around?
00:21:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
So he's ah he's a left centre-back. He's best in the three.
00:21:18
Iain
Right.
00:21:19
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Right, OK. Oh, yeah.
00:21:21
Iain
Why are we comparing him to Fab Char then?
00:21:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, if I go left and right, I've got to go through every single player based on their foot.
00:21:28
Iain
Okay.
00:21:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:21:29
Iain
All right. No, that' great that's all right. That's all right. On those players that you gave us, and I like Colwell.
00:21:36
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Me too.
00:21:36
Iain
I still prefer having Fab Shire in the fence for Newcastle though.
00:21:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK. Yeah,
00:21:40
Iain
One of the players that is definitely is ahead of him. Bransway I think could get there but he's still quite young. And again, somebody who finished up on his arse when came to Newcastle and Izak took the ball around him.
00:21:55
Iain
Conta, I think, is England's best centre-half. And I keep campaigning when we're going to go and rob Aston Villa to get them out of their PSR mess in the next few days, we should go and rob conspits off them.
00:22:11
Nicola Pringle-Adams
You want him. didn't even hear you say him.
00:22:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a great chat.
00:22:13
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Sorry, Michael. I'll just focus on Colwell.
00:22:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you agree that Khan says above Shaw?
00:22:19
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yes. Yeah. I think he's probably the only one out that list.
00:22:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you say either of them are... Khan says above Botman? Either of you?
00:22:28
Iain
I would.
00:22:29
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:22:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Okay.
00:22:30
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:22:30
Iain
I might not if Sven has a another good season when he comes back next season, and plays 35 games.
00:22:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh...
00:22:36
Iain
I might not, because I think Botman's got a very high ceiling and I want to see the role choice.
00:22:40
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I
00:22:42
Iain
um
00:22:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:44
Iain
But yeah, Botman's special. The way Botman was out for it for a year and then just came and stepped back in to play centre-half against Arsenal in the two semi-final legs, that's a special player who can do that.
00:22:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:22:57
Iain
It can't possibly be Matt Spitt, and yet you wouldn't know.
00:23:01
Nicola Pringle-Adams
agreed. This is why he's my favourite.
00:23:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
no it's fair it's It's a great shout and it shows that you're not being biased, which I think everyone can appreciate. So my next four, I'm going to ask you if they're better than Sven Botman, but give me a heads up if you think they're not better than Fabian Scheer, which would be weird ah if they're better than Botman but not Scheer, but you get where I'm going.
00:23:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Emmanuel Akanji, Jean-Paul Van Hecker, Murillo and Nikola Milenkovic. both Nottingham Forest centre-backs there.
00:23:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
The Brighton centre-back we're heavily linked with in Van Hecker. And then Okanji, who in his first season was absolutely fantastic, but hasn't quite hit the heights last season.
00:23:44
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Are we linked with Vanheka, are we?
00:23:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, yes.
00:23:45
Iain
but
00:23:47
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I haven't seen that. Um.
00:23:50
Iain
yeah Well, van Van Hecker is the key man in the Brighton defence, apparently. When he's not playing, they fall apart. And when he is, they do very, very well.
00:23:55
Nicola Pringle-Adams
You miss him. Yeah.
00:23:58
Iain
He did play.
00:23:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:58
Iain
He played well twice at the St. James' last year, didn't he? Van Hecker.
00:24:01
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:24:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, he's played well against us both times.
00:24:03
Iain
He came back from injury. He came back for injury. And is he who got Anthony Gordon sent off? Or was the person who got...
00:24:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Might well be, I can't say for certain, but feels like it.
00:24:12
Nicola Pringle-Adams
a
00:24:15
Iain
pushed over. I think he came in from injury and was the difference that got Brighton through in the FA Cup. I would say all four of those that you've given us are ahead of Fab Schaar.
00:24:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, I'd agree.
00:24:28
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, agreed. But not head of Botman, I don't think.
00:24:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh,
00:24:36
Nicola Pringle-Adams
might be wrong.
00:24:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
what about you? And do you think that, do you think they're above botman?
00:24:38
Iain
I don't
00:24:41
Iain
think Van Hecker is. um a kanji kanji's capable but then he wasn't last year he was he was injured a lot of it wasn't he came back and wasn't fully fit so i've not really seen how good he was when he first got there he was absolutely superb what did he do with the other two same team oh yeah murillo and milenkovich were i think
00:24:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:24:52
Nicola Pringle-Adams
yep
00:25:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, And Milenkovic.
00:25:07
Iain
um why not in the forest did so well they were both ah but i'm not sure if that's just uh um i'm i'm not sure if that's just an exceptional season that they've had together and they will struggle to get to those heights again but giving them the benefit of the doubt they were both excellent last year i don't think either of them are as good as bopman though
00:25:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I'd agree.
00:25:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, so we're seeing Milenkovic, Murillo and Van Hecker and Akanji aren't as good as Botman, ah but all four are better than Fabian Scherr. Is that correct?
00:25:46
Iain
think so. I think I had a canju capable of being better than him if he was like he was two years ago.
00:25:47
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:25:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, Nicola?
00:25:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, right, sweet.
00:25:54
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I feel bad for Cher.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
There's got to be a difference between players.
00:25:59
Iain
That's why we're stopping for a replacement, Nicola.
00:25:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
There just has to be.
00:25:59
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yep.
00:26:02
Iain
We're just planning ahead.
00:26:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:26:04
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Truth.
00:26:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
So now I'm going to go through three centre-backs who I do think are up there with the best in the league. And we have a player that we've been linked with for a little while now, Mark Gay, Ilya Zabani from Bournemouth and Ibrahima Carnate from Liverpool.
00:26:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Would you say all three are better than Fabian Scherr and how many would you say are better than Sven Bottmann, if any?
00:26:28
Nicola Pringle-Adams
um Kanate,
00:26:32
Nicola Pringle-Adams
definitely better than Cher.
00:26:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:36
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Gehi, Gehi's a real hard one because I really liked him when we were linked with him.
00:26:36
Iain
i vote
00:26:41
Nicola Pringle-Adams
I know we still are linked with him, but now, once we were linked to him last season, he then had a really bad patch.
00:26:49
Nicola Pringle-Adams
And now I'm like, he's definitely better than
00:26:52
Iain
We've all got a stop but for Gay, because he scores for Newcastle every time he plays against them.
00:26:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:26:57
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:26:59
Iain
I think Gaye is an excellent centre-half, and I think putting aside the fact that we couldn't sign him and all those frustrations,
00:27:01
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:27:07
Iain
the fact that Liverpool are saying if Canati goes they're going to go straight for Gahey means those two guys are going to be in you know they're replacing a champion with a future champion and both of those guys are way at the top you know and the the other one was
00:27:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:12
Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah
00:27:22
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah, 100%. Who was the other one?
00:27:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So we had Kanata, Zabanyi and Ghi.
00:27:29
Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah.
00:27:29
Iain
Zabani was excellent but I don't know how much maybe you saw more of them Michael I think that was a partnership with who ended up at Real Madrid, who may well have done, made Zubania look fantastic because he's playing alongside Huyzen.
00:27:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:47
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Good, yeah.
00:27:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think Zabani was there a little bit beforehand when they had Marco Sanusi at centre-back as well, and he was the standout player there for me, which is why I've put him so high.
00:27:50
Iain
So...
00:27:58
Iain
OK.
00:27:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
um so yeah Oh, and there is one name that i have forgot to mention.
00:28:02
Iain
OK.
00:28:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ruben Diaz. He was supposed to be mentioned in there as well.
00:28:10
Nicola Pringle-Adams
He is very good.
00:28:12
Iain
Diaz has been very good, but he was but he was pretty awful last year. All the time Man City was struggling. I know he came back, but even then they weren't invincible when they came back.
00:28:25
Iain
I know they won a lot of games at the end, finished third. Diaz's class, I suppose, forms temporary and class of permanence.
00:28:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, 100%.
00:28:35
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
So what we say, i just need to confirm, Mark is he better than Sven Botman? Just quick yes or no?
00:28:43
Nicola Pringle-Adams
and
00:28:44
Iain
Relentantly yes.
00:28:45
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah.
00:28:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. Ibrahim Okunati, is he better than Sven Botman? Yes or no?
00:28:52
Iain
Yes.
00:28:52
Nicola Pringle-Adams
Yeah. For sake.
00:28:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. And then Ilya Zavanyi, is he better than Sven Botman? Yes or no?
00:29:01
Nicola Pringle-Adams
On par maybe?
00:29:04
Iain
I would say no, but that's because I'm thinking he's slattered by having played alongside Hoyssen. If you think that's irrelevant, then he's certainly up there with him.
00:29:10
Nicola Pringle-Adams
yeah so
00:29:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
not me making the decisions, thankfully. it's ah I'm asking you the hard-on questions.
00:29:17
Iain
Right, I'll stick with Bottman.
00:29:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh Happy days. Right, we are going to go into our first sponsor eventually. It is supposed to be around 10 minutes. We've hit 30. So I'm going to hit the sponsor and then we'll be back in a moment.